Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Conservatism: there are some people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

When do the post office & the dmv weigh in on the wuhan virus?

White supremacy is terrorism.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

Republicans in disarray!

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

Not all heroes wear capes.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

This fight is for everything.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

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  1. 1.

    raven

    It’s been 20 years since the Atlanta Olympics and 32 since LA. I guess being lucky enough to attend both makes me especially interested.

  5. 5.

    Cermet

    Appears the Rio’ Olympics are not unlike the tRump campaign …both are scary and are full of foul shit and deadly virus’.

  6. 6.

    Central Planning

    I worked multiple Olympic events for a sponsor. I would be on-site for two weeks before the games, work them, and tear down in about 5. Hard work, but so much fun to be with a great group of people that knew their jobs, helped others if needed, and got to work with locals.

    Also, I just watched the Boys of 36 on my TiVo – about the men’s rowing victory at the 1936 Olympics. They did a good job on the documentary, but the book, The Boys in the Boat, is so much better.

    Read the book and then find a local rowing club where you can give it a try. Rowing is addicting and a great low-impact workout. I’m 46 and have only been rowing for 18 months. I wish I had started sooner!

  7. 7.

    Mustang Bobby

    My office is located five blocks south of the Zika virus outbreak in Miami. On the upside, a mosquito would have to go up seven floors and make it deep into the office to find me.

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    @Cermet:
    There are so many signs about Rio-it is scary. I wish that our athletes would just go, do their events, and leave. If there are no athletes left to march in the closing ceremony, oh well.

  9. 9.

    OzarkHillbilly

    I fulfilled a long time dream of mine yesterday, I voted for Chief Wanna Dubie. Always before he ran in a race just outside my county/district/whatever, but this time he is running statewide (US senate). Kanter, the Dem nominee was always going to win the primary (he did) and w/o a doubt will lose to Blunt (he’s not too sharp) come Nov. I’ll be working for Chris Koster who is facing off against the bought and paid for subsidiary of unknown people* EricGreitensForPresident** (NAVY SEAL!***) in the MO governors race.

    * $1.975 million donation to Eric Greitens’ campaign this week marks the single largest political contribution in Missouri history to an individual candidate from the group “Seals for Truth”.

    ** he reserved this addy 7 years ago

    *** all his campaign signs tell you so. i hear his tv ads will just blow you away.

  10. 10.

    Cat48

    Rep Heulskamp, member of Freedom Caucus, formerly known as the Tea Party Caucus, from KS, lost his Primary last night. Bless his heart.

  12. 12.

    NotMax

    (cue the music) Kids, I don’t know what’s with these kids today.

    Why more millennials are avoiding sex: ‘There isn’t really anything magical about it’
    [snip]
    Noah Patterson, 18, likes to sit in front of several screens simultaneously: a work project, a YouTube clip, a video game. To shut it all down for a date or even a one-night stand seems a waste. “For an average date you’re going to spend at least two hours, and in that two hours I won’t be doing something I enjoy.”Source

  18. 18.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    @Central Planning: I was a little skinny guy in college and coxed on our team (the coxswain is the little guy in the back with the megaphone in 8’s, some 4’s and even some 2’s). I’m WAAAY out of coxswain weight now (120 lb or less). I also did a lot of teaching in our community summer program. We had a “masters” program specifically designed for novice adults and I used to love going out on the water with those guys and teaching them. At that level, the boat with the best technique wins every time. It’s much more important than strength.

    Always thought I’d try rowing myself after I graduated (I know the basics of technique and have actually rowed competitively, if you can call it that, in joke “coxswain races”) but never got around to it. And I live in Philadelphia, which is probably the capital of amateur rowing in the US. There’s a whole stretch of rowing clubs along the Schuykill called “boathouse row”. Buddy of mine trained with one of them and led their boat to the Olympics.

  20. 20.

    Soylent Green

    Agent Orange is up early today, tweeting “There is great unity in my campaign, perhaps greater than ever before.”

  21. 21.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    Oh poop. I couldn’t resist editing a word in my previous comment, and I forgot that FYWP throws me into moderation every time I edit.

  24. 24.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    John Harwood @JohnJHarwood

    longtime ally of Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager: “Manafort not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in. Staff suicidal.”

    5:30 PM – 2 Aug 2016
    5,067 retweets 5,044 likes

    Ali Vitali @alivitali

    A Trump campaign source, in reaction to this, tells me “it’s all true” and “way worse than people realize.”

    Retweets
    3,805
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    Dianne Gallagher ‏@DianneG

    A source tells @DanaBashCNN that some Trump campaign staff are frustrated w/ candidate lately, “feel like they are wasting their time”

    838 retweets 873 likes

    Backroom Politics @BackroomPolitic

    @JohnJHarwood word on the street that several key staffers have resignation letters ready to go in the next 72 hours

    6:53 PM – 2 Aug 2016

    13 13 Retweets
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    Jennifer Bendery Verified account ‏@jbendery

    Huelskamp out. Trump dissed Paul Ryan. Meg Whitman fundraising for Clinton. Khan outrage. What a week for GOP– and it’s only Tuesday.

    30 retweets 46 likes

  25. 25.

    Cat48

    @amk:

    I agree he was horrible. That caucus still won’t let the Speaker pass a Budget, so no Zika funding, etc. Ryan is trying to work with the critters instead of teaming up with Pelosi like Boehner always did.

  26. 26.

    Central Planning

    TPM has their Electoral Scorecard out – Hillary already has 271 EVs according to their methodology with only 99 EVs as tossups.

  31. 31.

    Central Planning

    @Baud: I tend to look at PEC and not many other polling sites. No pearl clutching, no hysterics. Just data.

  33. 33.

    satby

    Good morning everyone! I got the house!! Closing is in just over two weeks (estate sale,so it’s empty). It’s an old Victorian, so the rescue farmette will become a rescue haunted house ?

    I’m going to take all the critters with me. No one will realize I have cats because mine are inside cats without the catio, and I think I can evade detection on the dogs for the remaining months of my oldest girl’s life, at which point I will be compliant with the 3 dog limit.

    Packing now, which keeps me from dwelling on the Cheeto’s latest spew of hate. I just wish the next few days weren’t going to be in the 90s with high humidity. This summer can’t get done fast enough.

  35. 35.

    Hal

    I expected everything that’s happening with the Trump campaign to happen, but I honestly thought the crash was going to come much closer to November. If this keeps up Congress is going to have to have another email server/benghazi hearing. Maybe even look into Vince Foster’s death again.

  37. 37.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    @Big R: Hi, my comment got eated but I was in my college rowing team as well. Coxswain.

    I actually did try my hand at rowing a few times, and generally rowed pot when I did.

  41. 41.

    Big R

    @Ceci n’est pas mon nym: I was a coxswain too. I was embarrassingly referred to as the fat coxswain, because my racing weight was 142. But my boys always took pride that they could carry twenty extra pounds of dead weight and still kick ass.

  44. 44.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Baud: I know our restrictions are municipal. Been upgrading to Win10 Anniversary version, got all the machines(4 out of 5) except for this one(it’s failed multiple times). I think it’s McAfee fucking it up.

  45. 45.

    Central Planning

    @Big R: starboard! I’m usually in 2, 3, or 4 but have recently been in stroke due to some people not having any rhythm :) but I really don’t like it – too much responsibility. We have a few regattas coming up in the fall we are preparing for… Unfortunately work keeps conspiring against my time in the boat.

  47. 47.

    satby

    @Baud: municipal ordinance. It’s a pretty common limit, and I would blow past it including the 5 cats, but the cats are getting the third floor as their domain, so I doubt anyone will be able to tell from the ground even if they sit in the windows all day. I have two old dogs and two middle aged ones, and of the cats, two also are old enough that they may not have many more years either. Right now though, everyone is plugging along, and so they’re all coming.

  48. 48.

    Big R

    @Central Planning: where? Please be near me, I’ve been doing to get back on the water. And all the walking i did in Europe has to have helped my stamina for the erg.

  51. 51.

    Central Planning

    @Big R: Rochester, NY. We row on the Erie Canal. A bunch of adults who are really just out for a good time, not to necessarily try and win all our races.

  52. 52.

    satby

    @rikyrah: Thanks! Are you waiting on the Rock or the Orange line? I was thinking I’d have to figure out a way back to sweet home Chicago if this didn’t go through, because I am over the country. Pure city girl.

  53. 53.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @satby: Here in Glendale, we’re allowed two; more than 2 you have to get a breeder’s license.

    ETA: That’s for dogs, I don’t think there’s any restrictions on cats(there should be).

  58. 58.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    @Big R: I could usually get into the low 120s by racing season but that got harder and harder. I’m WAAAY over that now.

    I didn’t quite have the brash personality to cox the varsity 8, but my strength was always with the novices. I could take a boat of new rowers out and win almost every time against their equally inexperienced cohorts. One day I pissed off the freshman coach the week before a big race because I had the second boat, the spares, and we kept beating the pants off his hand-picked first team.

    At that level, it’s all technique. How much you avoid drag by good balance and getting your oars clear of the water. And how good your rhythm is.

  59. 59.

    Kay

    Corey Lewandowski questioning if President Obama got into Harvard as a US citizen on CNN

    Trump’s birther campaign is back and CNN is promoting it again. Birtherism actually has a lot in common with voter fraud trutherism. They take a mundane, rule-bound state recording process and add a ton of woo-woo and “questions” and no one ever walks thru the actual steps of what the process involves. That would be a really boring show- “let’s visit with the clerk at the vital records office!” :)

    I still find people who attach magical import to the “original” birth certificate. I take a ridiculous amount of pleasure in waving my hand and saying “oh, you can get a duplicate original for 15 dollars- we just need the raised seal”

    I’m tempted to say “if you lost that, does that mean that’s all she wrote- now no one will ever know… for sure?”

  60. 60.

    Botsplainer, Neoliberal Corporatist Shill

    Well, fuck – I bought a nice Microsoft Surface back in February to have as a working laptop. It is sleek, fast, has a great battery.

    Back when I bought it, I synced it to my office exchange server. I made the mistake about a month in on clicking the “update” on its office suite, which made syncing it to the exchange server impossible until we do our next exchange upgrade, probably about a year from now.

    When I booted it this morning (had to recharge it), it took forever, as it was in the midst of the Windows 10 upgrade. Now the thing is upgefucht and basically a $1700 brick. Webpages are about as slow as a 1996 aol dialup, the controls are sluggish and even the resident programs are slow to load.

    I’m going to have to bring it into bestbuy and heave it at the geeks.

  62. 62.

    debbie

    @Kay:

    For the GOP, it’s always been all about asserting the unprovable. I wonder if any of them will dispute Lewandowski on this.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    CNN Employee Corey Lewandowski questioning if President Obama got into Harvard as a US citizen on CNN

    Fixed.

  65. 65.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    @satby: Congratulations! I’m glad you were able to resolve this so quickly.
    Good luck packing and moving.

  67. 67.

    mike in dc

    @Hal:

    Won’t work. Trump is going to remain news item #1 for the rest of the campaign, or as long as he lasts.

  69. 69.

    Cat48

    @Hal:

    You’re right, they will find something to investigate. They’re good at diversion, so we’ll see. The news will continue though bc Trump will not be Ignored!!!

  72. 72.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Kay: Somebody, and I always wonder why nobody ever does, should ask Lewandowski (or Trump or whoever) to prove his citizenship. Somehow or other, if you are a white guy it’s just accepted that you are.

  74. 74.

    hueyplong

    This is too soon for the trump meltdown. I assume Obama’s comments were designed to generate statements of support for Trump (purely to spite Obama). That would stop the bleeding for a while.

    I now realize that BHO will break out “never drink bleach” on his way out the door.

  75. 75.

    mike in dc

    So, the RNC can only replace Trump if he drops out. And he’d have to do it by early September. He’s driving the party off the cliff. Into an active volcano. And an adjacent nuclear test.

  77. 77.

    satby

    Thanks again everyone. This place hasn’t been the same since the tree fell. And the insurance company sent the same jmoke to “patch” the roof that removed the tree. So it will be a shoddy job, and I don’t have the money by myself to do proper repair. I’m giving this place back to Quicken and taking the hit, my credit can’t get worse anyway.

    @Gin & Tonic: Yeah, this is a relief, and I will own it free and clear. Houses are super cheap here.

  78. 78.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Mustang Bobby: That would be a very determined mosquito.

    @satby: Congrats on getting the house and being able to rescue so many critters. I envy you as I wish I had enough room to rescue more than the two adorable doggies I already have.

  80. 80.

    Central Planning

    @yellowdog: yes you probably would. We were trying to come up with a slogan for our club shirts. Surprisingly, my “Our cox likes clean strokes” phrase got voted down

  81. 81.

    bemused

    Over at C&L there’s tweets from Trump Virginia rally yesterday about a young kid looking about 10 years old yelling “Take the bitch down” when Trump mentioned Hillary. Mother defends kid’s right to say what he wants and he learned it at “Democratic schools”.

    I can’t imagine anyone bringing kids or babies to a Trump rally exposing them to foul and vicious language from Trump and the crowd and the danger of kids getting trampled when the crowd turns on a protester. This 10 year old kid would probably join in in thrashing a protester with mom’s encouragement. Insanity.

  89. 89.

    mike in dc

    @Baud:
    Zero ground game in ANY state. 1 million in ad buys vs. 98 million. Won’t support Ryan in his primary race. Still fighting the Khan family. Taking shots at endangered GOP senators. At this point, they will get crushed regardless of what they do, so they might as well regain some small scrap of dignity and disavow him en masse. The Trumpeters will stay home or refuse to vote down ballot, but at least they will preserve a 150 year old political party going forward.

  92. 92.

    Kay

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Trump won’t release his tax returns after lying repeatedly and saying he would. CNN employees promoting Donald Trump are in no position to demand anything of anyone.

  93. 93.

    peach flavored shampoo

    Holy Jeebus….a blog full of coxswains! Uh, is there anyone here not a coxer?

  95. 95.

    bemused

    @satby:

    Yes. Horrifying to think what that 10 year old kid and other kids raised by Trumpian parents will be like as adults. Child abusers, imo.

  97. 97.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Mostly Windows 10 is running fine for me, except I can no longer get Outlook to autofill an email address line. It pops up a list of possible addresses, but when I select the correct one, the little circle spins for a while and then nothing happens. It’s very annoying.

  100. 100.

    NotMax

    @Baud

    And we expect them to abandon their comfy chairs for a short stretch to (1) register and (2) go out and vote. As if.

    @satby

    Huzzah!

  104. 104.

    hovercraft

    Good morning,
    Bill Bratton is appalled by Trump’s cavalier attitude about the Purple Heart, he is a Vietnam Vet. He says Trump talks tough but is not tough, and doubts he has ever taken a punch in his entire life. Crime is not spiraling out of control, race relations are an American problem not a police problem. Praises the presidents police task force. Trump is not the law and order candidate, and he doesn’t understand how vets and law and order types can support Trump.

  109. 109.

    Patricia Kayden

    @bemused: Nothing that happens at a Trump rally surprises me. I assume his supporters are just like him which means that they are awful people and have no self control or boundaries. It’s going to be interesting to see if they actually engage in violence when he loses to Secretary Clinton in November as he and his campaign folks are signalling them to do.

  110. 110.

    D58826

    Morning Joe is pushing the idea that Trump is a secret democrat out to destroy the GOP. They are also pushing the Bill Clinton talked him into running to throw the election to Hillary idea.I don’t think he gives a darn about the GOP or if the situation was different the democrats. He only cares about himself. Trump is the ultimate uncaged ID that the GOP has been cultivating for the past 40 years. By luck or planning he tapped into the public anger at the system.

    On a slightly diffewrent topic :

    FBI Allegedly Waited Months To Warn Democrats Of Suspected Russian Role In Hack. And in months of follow-up conversations about the DNC’s network security, the FBI did not warn party officials that the attack was being investigated as Russian espionage, the sources said.

    The lack of full disclosure by the FBI prevented DNC staffers from taking steps that could have reduced the number of confidential emails and documents stolen, one of the sources said. Instead, Russian hackers whom security experts believe are affiliated with the Russian government continued to have access to Democratic Party computers for months during a crucial phase in the U.S. presidential campaign, the source said.

    Maybe a conspiracy theory but FBI director Comey is a long standing Republican and has been after the Clinton’s since 1996 so he sat on the full extent of the breach.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fbi-probe-dnc-hacked-emails_us_57a19f22e4b08a8e8b601259?section=&

  111. 111.

    hovercraft

    Morning Joe panel are trying to figure out how the gop can be rid of themselves of Trump. And if he drops out what would happen, RNC can’t force him out, but if he leaves then 168 members would pick a new candidate.
    Squint and Mika are telling the gop to dump Trump because he is a democrat. Dump him because this democrat is destroying the gop. Kick him to the curb because he’s not one of you.
    F**king assholes, suddenly he’s a democrat? F**k you we did not nominate this psycho.

  113. 113.

    Patricia Kayden

    @MattF: If that is true, it is horrifying. How anyone could believe that Trump should be trusted with the nuclear codes is beyond me. The man is so thin-skinned and petty that you know he’d start a nuclear holocaust because someone said something derogatory about him on a personal level. The man cannot take any criticism, no matter how slight. Huge sigh.

  115. 115.

    bemused

    @Patricia Kayden:

    True but it infuriates me that idiot parents bring their kids and babies to Trump rallies that are volatile powder kegs inside and out without one thought in their empty heads that their children could be in physical danger.

  118. 118.

    NotMax

    @MattF

    Believe it stands now at 2, or possibly 3.

    Hanna from NY, Kirk from IL and seem to recall one from either OK or NE as well.

    Oh, can maybe, possibly, also place Cruz on that list.

  119. 119.

    satby

    @hovercraft: Yeah, dainty fingers will have a few things to tweet in response to that, I bet. Can’t wait to see it.
    And if it has any effect on sidelining Schmo, bonus!

  120. 120.

    SFAW

    @Central Planning:

    They did a good job on the documentary, but the book, The Boys in the Boat, is so much better.

    The story itself – that is, the story of the ’36 crew – is a great one. But there must be something about having the name “Dan Brown” that makes persons shitty writers. Whether fiction or non-fiction. It wasn’t Bulwer-Lytton material, but it wasn’t a whole lot better.

  121. 121.

    mike in dc

    @Baud:

    He burned his D card the moment he called Mexicans rapists.

    Actually, scratch that. He burned it the moment he asked for Obama’s “real” birth certificate.

  123. 123.

    Patricia Kayden

    @hovercraft: @D58826: The good thing is that Trump’s hardcore, bigoted supporters won’t buy that Trump is not one of their very own. I don’t see them turning away from the man who has coddled their hatred of the other and given them a voice for their bigotry.

    But nice try, Mika and Joe. Good luck next time when your anti-everyone who is not White GOP supporters choose a Grand Wizard to run in 2020.

  124. 124.

    bemused

    @MattF:

    When exactly did the Democratic party allow an equivalent horror like Trump get to presidential candidate level?

  127. 127.

    Baud

    @hovercraft: I love that of all of Donald’s sins, destroying the Republican Party is the reason he must go.

    His real sin, of course, is revealing the Republican Party.

  128. 128.

    Patricia Kayden

    @bemused: Hmmmm. Not sure if White kids would be in any danger at a Trump rally unless it’s from Trump rudely dissing the mother of a crying baby like what happened in Virginia yesterday. Now a Black or Brown kid …

  129. 129.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @bemused: These are the same people that keep loaded firearms laying about the home so their 2 year olds can use them as chew toys.

  131. 131.

    D58826

    They are asking on MSNBC what kind of country have we become where they boo the mom of a deployed soldier. Oh I don’t know maybe after 8 years of winking and nodding at birtherism. ‘You lie’ Joe Wilson. Newts ‘Obama is influenced by Kenyan anti-colonialism’. An endless stream of Obama is somehow not really an American. The entire Benghazi witchhunt in which prominent Gopers suggested that Obama/Hillary were personally responsible for what happened that night. Or go back to the 2012 debates and people booing a deployed soldier because he was gay. Rand Paul saying if you get sick w/o insurance then its ok if you die. 30 years of Faux news and the entire rightwing entertainment network.

    And the morning Joe crew doesn’t understand how we got to this point? This is simply the end station of the anger and hate that the GOP has been pushing since at least 1980. It may well be the continuation of the evil strain of GOP thought that gave us Joe McCarthy. It should not surprise any one.

  132. 132.

    schrodinger's cat

    Pleasant surprise to see goddess Madhuri on FP, but calisthenics? She is probably one the most graceful dancers that Hindi cinema has seen, male or female. In my eyes, she can do no wrong. Also too, this is one of my favorite Rahat Fateh Ali Khan numbers.

  133. 133.

    Kay

    We got the Clinton signs today. Older Democrats love signs. It’s worth whatever they cost just so they won’t be unhappy.

  136. 136.

    SFAW

    @Central Planning:

    Read the book and then find a local rowing club where you can give it a try. Rowing is addicting and a great low-impact workout. I’m 46 and have only been rowing for 18 months. I wish I had started sooner!

    Excellent advice. @Ceci n’est pas mon nym:

    And I live in Philadelphia, which is probably the capital of amateur rowing in the US.

    After Boston, that is. The crews up here don’t need to name anything to show that they row. (“Boathouse Row”? I guess I should be grateful that they didn’t add “Where we row, OK? Not power boats or sailboats, OK?” to the name, to draw attention away from their “smaller-than-average oars,” so to speak.)

    Just bustin’ stones re: Philly rowing, I hope to visit Boathouse Row someday.

  137. 137.

    rikyrah

    @Kay:

    Corey Lewandowski questioning if President Obama got into Harvard as a US citizen on CNN

    Trump’s birther campaign is back and CNN is promoting it again

    Phuck.outta.here!!

  139. 139.

    rikyrah

    @Kay:

    Trump won’t release his tax returns after lying repeatedly and saying he would. CNN employees promoting Donald Trump are in no position to demand anything of anyone.

    tell that truth, Kay.

  140. 140.

    Quinerly

    @Baud:
    I said something similar to this yesterday. Shows like Morning Joe and specifically Morning Joe helped to create this monster. Joe and Mika fluffed Trump every morning with the call ins and all the free air time. It was just a grand old time every morning for months. Now, they are calling him a Democratic plant? What’s the deal with Trump asking about nukes in some sort of briefing? Couldn’t follow the comment. Is this being discussed on MJ this morning?

  143. 143.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Iowa Old Lady: I don’t use Outlook much, so no clue. Botsplainer’s problem is that since he has a Surface, he was the first to get the major update that came out yesterday(they went with Surface, machines that came with Win10, then everyone else). I ended up using a thumb drive to do my upgrades(I’ve done 4 out of 5 desktops and tablets). This machine hasn’t been upgraded, it’s failed several times, I think due to McAfee. I’ll try disabling it later today and finish up my upgrades.

  144. 144.

    rikyrah

    @D58826:

    Morning Joe is pushing the idea that Trump is a secret democrat out to destroy the GOP. They are also pushing the Bill Clinton talked him into running to throw the election to Hillary idea.I don’t think he gives a darn about the GOP or if the situation was different the democrats. He only cares about himself. Trump is the ultimate uncaged ID that the GOP has been cultivating for the past 40 years. By luck or planning he tapped into the public anger at the system.

    Anytime you hear that, point that finger, wag it, and go

    ” Uh Uh Boo. Trump wasn’t ‘selected’, he was ELECTED- BY YOUR VOTERS. They had 16 other choices, but CHOSE HIM. “

  145. 145.

    Quinerly

    @D58826:
    Good post @131. Thank you. I probably should have directed my previous question to you instead of Baud! What’s the deal with Trump’s comments about our nukes?

  148. 148.

    NotMax

    @NotMax

    Also Amash (MI), Ros-Lehtinen (FL), Sanford (SC), Dold (IL), Ribble (WI – not running), Rigell (VA – not running).

  150. 150.

    rikyrah

    @bemused:

    True but it infuriates me that idiot parents bring their kids and babies to Trump rallies that are volatile powder kegs inside and out without one thought in their empty heads that their children could be in physical dange

    r.

    But, they’re Trump supporters, and you expect any different? That 10 year old yesterday – that was his HOME TRAINING.

  152. 152.

    Quinerly

    @Baud:
    I realized after I clicked the reply you were only replying. Tiny keyboard on smarty pants phone presents problems.

  153. 153.

    bemused

    @Quinerly:

    I remember how offended Joe and Mika were when accused of playing kissy face with Trump in their exclusive interviews.

  155. 155.

    frosty

    @peach flavored shampoo: I joined the Baltimore Rowing Club for about 5 years back in the 80s, loved it but ran out of time for it when we had kids. Liked 4s and 8s best because swinging the 11 foot oar was a gas.

    As novices we shared cox duties and I unfortunately met the qualifications: small, loud voice, and I knew port from starboard. And could guide the boat into a smooth landing at the dock.

  158. 158.

    amk

    so, the morning moron is admitting that the rethugs (both the voters and the ‘establishment’) are so stupid that they get easily trolled by a ‘democrat’ ?

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    SFAW

    @peach flavored shampoo:
    Sculler.

    No danger to Vyacheslav Nikolayevich’s or Pertti’s legacy, of course. Just do it because I like it.

    Done some sweep, but not much, not intercollegiately (if that word exists), only fooling around.

  161. 161.

    Kay

    @amk:

    Reince Priebus doesn’t think Trump is a Democrat and I would think he’d be the national expert on that.

    Reince Priebus ‏@Reince Jul 28
    It’s on. Let’s #MakeAmericaGreatAgain! Donate here:

  163. 163.

    mike in dc

    @Quinerly:

    JoeScar said a foreign policy adviser who went to brief Trump earlier in the year said Trump asked 3x in an hour about nukes. “If we have nuclear weapons, why can’t we use them?” Then Michael Hayden put all our fears at ease by pointing out the president is invested with ultimate authority and the nuclear protocols are designed for speed, not to debate the decision-making. Lovely.
    But he’ll sign their bills and appoint SC justices, so it’s all good. These are the worst people in the country.

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    rikyrah

    @D58826:

    And the morning Joe crew doesn’t understand how we got to this point? This is simply the end station of the anger and hate that the GOP has been pushing since at least 1980. It may well be the continuation of the evil strain of GOP thought that gave us Joe McCarthy. It should not surprise any one.

    Me….doing the church jog reading this.

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    MattF

    @Kay: As do Ryan and McConnell. And party loyalty is plainly the primary reason the three of them have publicly supported Trump in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

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    rikyrah

    @Kay:

    We got the Clinton signs today. Older Democrats love signs. It’s worth whatever they cost just so they won’t be unhappy.

    Sounds good to me…..and, I’m ready to get a Hillary sign.

  171. 171.

    satby

    @D58826: Kirk is a master at appearing to be an old timey reasonable Republican, but he’s not. He will vote with the Dems on very minor things to keep his bi- partisan cred, but he’s a reliable R vote for the worst of McConnell’s obstruction. He has to go. This could be the year we finally offload him, even though his suburban home base is reliably R.

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    D58826

    A tweet comment on Kos

    Trump loss will likely be in 4-7 pt range – landslide possible but unlikely given partisan drivers and HRC unfavorables

    . It is truly depressing that he would lose by only ‘4-7’ points.

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    SFAW

    @frosty:

    And could guide the boat into a smooth landing at the dock

    An under-appreciated skill. Yes, I’m being serious.

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    OzarkHillbilly

    @MattF: Don’t give him too much credit, it’s Illinois. They are getting a first hand lesson in Republican governance from Gov Bruce Rauner.

    @Baud: I think Tammy is going to send him out to pasture.

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    Comrade Scrutinizer

    @amk: So, the “Democrat Mole” story might give the Party elite some wiggle room at trying to separate themselves from Trump, as long as no one insists on, like, evidence. It’s hard to see how Trump would agree to such an arrangement, unless we adopt the “useful idiot” theory and say something like Obama trolled him into it at the WHCA dinner a couple of years ago. But even that wouldn’t explain the pandering to Trump of the GOP and the right wing noise machine, which includes Joe and Mika. It also doesn’t address the Trump True Believers, who will not be parted from their Leader, and who, if stripped from the GOP, will cause a significant reduction in their base of support.

    tl;dr: The Republicans may be well and truly fucked.

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    D58826

    @satby: Oh agree and if I lived in Ill. I would vote against him with glee but have to acknowledge that he never was on the Trump train, probably 100% out of political expediency. Kirk doesn’t have an an ounce of principle.

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    Mike J

    @Kay:

    We got the Clinton signs today. Older Democrats love signs. It’s worth whatever they cost just so they won’t be unhappy.

    You want signs? We got signs. In our coördinated office we have 2 LD seats, Gov, Treasurer, and US Senate we’re covering so far, and signs for all of them. When they finish counting the primary ballots, we’ll probably add in a few other races like Lt Gov , Instruction, Public Lands, etc.

    Our Dems won the jungle primary for the LD seats against incumbent Republicans, but we have to beat the same people in November Even being within striking distance of an incumbent is good and now they have to worry about being in striking distance of us.

  179. 179.

    MattF

    A little pollster snark from Sam Wang. To explain the joke: if you do the meta-analysis correctly, the race hasn’t changed much and Ds have been ‘way ahead of Rs from the start. All the excitement over this poll or that poll is click-bait.

  180. 180.

    Quinerly

    @mike in dc:
    Thank you for watching so I don’t have to. Final clarification..did Squint just learn of this or has he been sitting on it a couple of months while working on this “Trump is a Clinton Plant” exclusive?

  182. 182.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @satby: It is a tough race for him because if he plays too centrist the down state Repubs won’t give him a 2nd look and he can’t win without them.

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    schrodinger's cat

    @amk:Did I hurt your south Indian pride? My S-I-L positively sputters if you say something mildly critical of Kamal Hassan’s scenery chewing histrionics.
    I grew up when she was the reigning queen of Hindi movies. She conveys so much just using her eyes. I is a fan. She was the best thing in Devdas too, she ate Aish’s lunch in a much smaller role. Her kathak number in Devdas was so much better than Deepika’s yawn inducing, Mohe Rang do lal in Bajirao Mastani

  187. 187.

    Chris

    @Mustang Bobby:

    My office is located five blocks south of the Zika virus outbreak in Miami.

    My list of “reasons I’m happy I moved back from Florida to the north bank of the Potomac river” just keeps getting longer and longer.

  189. 189.

    amk

    @MattF: yup, wang is a not weather-wane unlike silver. His consistency in 2008 and 2012 was remarkable. silver doesn’t know noise.

  190. 190.

    Chris

    @Kay:

    Trump’s birther campaign is back and CNN is promoting it again. Birtherism actually has a lot in common with voter fraud trutherism. They take a mundane, rule-bound state recording process and add a ton of woo-woo and “questions” and no one ever walks thru the actual steps of what the process involves. That would be a really boring show- “let’s visit with the clerk at the vital records office!” :)

    “Liberal media” is the meme that started it all, I think. The media was never liberal, but in the mid-20th century some of their reporting was confirming things liberals had been saying all along – that black people were treated horrifically in America, that American troops were committing war crimes in Vietnam, that people like Nixon and Hoover were using the intelligence and security agencies to attack their political opponents. Then eventually along came Reagan who told everyone that nah, don’t listen to all that stuff, it’s not that you’ve been wrong all this time, it’s just that the liberal media hates America and wants to make you believe bad things about it.

    The notion that it’s okay to reject any fact you don’t like because you don’t like it has been key to the conservative movement ever since, and has eventually grown to become their defining trait.

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    Uncle Cosmo

    @Emma: More than you think, hon.

    In early 1972 I attended a talk by HE at Cornell. Got to the hall early to ensure a good seat. HE & Joanna Russ were sitting a few rows down chatting when a couple with a baby came up. The fellow said shyly, Harlan? Harlan, remember me?

    Omigod, I don’t believe it! Ellison shouted & shot to his feet. How are you? And this…this is yours?? Harlan proceeded to effuse all over the poor kid like a doting uncle. Eventually the family sat down over to the side.

    Time came, one of the SF club kids introduced Russ who introduced Ellison, & he got as far as “It’s really great to be here tonight” before the baby started shrieking at ~150 dB.

    Instantly Harlan’s head snapped over in that direction & he shouted at the top of his lungs,

    FUUUUUUUUUCK YOU!!

    The audience sat there stunned. Who talks to a baby like that?? But, astoundingly, the screaming stopped.

    And Harlan Ellison went on with his shpiel as if nothing was amiss. (TBH it was one of the most entertaining 3.5 hours of my life, mostly about his experiences with TV as an author & story editor, including the notorious “Paynesville OH Revenge Story” & a reading of “Silent in Gehenna”. But that F-bomb….)

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    Kay

    @Mike J:

    Treasurer

    I like the signs for “lesser” candidates. Come on. No one is that excited about a treasurer :)

    Woo-hoo! Let’s hear it for the drainage commissioner!

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    Chris

    @hovercraft:

    Bill Bratton is appalled by Trump’s cavalier attitude about the Purple Heart, he is a Vietnam Vet. He says Trump talks tough but is not tough, and doubts he has ever taken a punch in his entire life.

    Been that way for a long time: give the American people a choice between someone who talks tough and someone who is tough and, sadly, they’ll often take the former. In its modern form I think it started in 1980, when we channel-surfed past a war veteran in the primary and a former submariner in the general in favor of the amiable dunce who’d spent his war years making propaganda films and told lies about having been there to liberate Auschwitz. Same again with George W. Bush, a draft-dodger, over John McCain and John Kerry.

  199. 199.

    Chris

    @D58826:

    Morning Joe is pushing the idea that Trump is a secret democrat out to destroy the GOP. They are also pushing the Bill Clinton talked him into running to throw the election to Hillary idea.

    I expect a lot of Repubs will be saying that, especially if Trump loses. But even if it’s true, it’s irrelevant. What does it say about the GOP that it was completely suckered by that tactic? What does it say about Republicans that, when you run a person who looks and talks like a terrible left-wing caricature of what the left accuses the GOP of being like… most of their voters come to him like flies to shit? If Clinton really did talk Trump into running, all he did was expose how broken the party was, not break it.

  200. 200.

    Punchy

    Holy shit, I just went to ESPN to see what Nate “Not So Great, Really No Better Than a Bronze” Silver had to say about this Trump implosion. Good LORD is that website a complete abortion. ESPN must have at least 60–70 videos on its page, a page that is almost impossible to scroll to the bottom of. All sports mixed up together, with video clips everywhere….

    Impossible to find the 538 link amongst that mess of a site. When did ESPN so completely revamp to this disaster?

  202. 202.

    Aleta

    The new President said this morning that Russia has sought our aid in a nuclear attack against Largostan— an assertion that a Russian spokesman denied this afternoon, but it was too la

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    Mike J

    @Kay:

    I like the signs for “lesser” candidates. Come on. No one is that excited about a treasurer :)

    Swear to god I saw a “Comerford for Treasurer” sign actually in somebody’s yard, not in the office, day before yesterday.

  215. 215.

    Quinerly

    @Chris:
    Some Bernie holdouts have been saying the same thing. Trump was a plant so Clinton would “win” either way. Now the Clintons can’t control him. Yes, these people exist.

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    Patricia Kayden

    @D58826: Amen. Trump is not even the problem. He’s just the symptom of the diseased GOP with all its bigotry and hatred and threats of violence. Nobody who has watched the GOP for the last few decades could be surprised that Trump has gotten this far. It’s just a matter of time before they choose someone worse than him as the base becomes smaller and more angry that the world has moved on from their close minded positions.

  221. 221.

    Quinerly

    The Hill is reporting that Trump said in a Fox Business interview for investors to “avoid the stock market.” He doesn’t invest in it. Someone several threads back commented on the oppo research HRC is sitting on. Not sure she’s going to need it.

  224. 224.

    SFAW

    @The Lodger:

    Been to Philly a couple times, never had the chance to make it there. Perhaps before I get too much older.

    @MrSnrub:

    I rowed in the Head of the Charles (“the only Head race that matters,” he said, his Masshole cred flying) a couple of times, have watched it a number of times, it’s a great way to spend an October weekend. (Well, not rowing all weekend, of course. Then I’d rightly earn the “DFL” designation. As long as I’m not DNF.)

  225. 225.

    SFAW

    @Quinerly:

    Someone several threads back commented on the oppo research HRC is sitting on. Not sure she’s going to need it.

    It’s kind of like Peak Wingnut, in a way. Just when you think you have something that Trump said/did that will hurt him, and you’re about to release it, he says something stupider or more vile.

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    schrodinger's cat

    @amk: Of course he does, we has been married long enough. He is not that proficient in Tamil, himself. He can speak in Tamil but not read or write. He is much more comfortable in English.

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    Alexander

    This is a bit late, but I’m just putting a couple of things together here:

    1. “We’re not going to agree with anything our nominee doesn’t agree with,” Priebus said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
    2. In an interview with The Washington Post on Tuesday, Trump said he was not backing Ryan in his primary election next Tuesday in Wisconsin, or McCain in his Arizona primary later this month.

    Are we to take it that the RNC will be abandoning its support of Ryan and McCain forthwith?

  229. 229.

    J R in WV

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I would disconnect it from the ‘net and uninstall McAfee completely. Then upgrade, then reinstall, then reconnect to the innertubes. But I’m not a Windows guy anymore since I retired. We started running Linux on everything then.

    I need to get a Windows box to do some music stuff that won’t ever be ported to Linux. But not so far.

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