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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Hail to the Hairpiece / Iz Our Media Village Lerning?

Iz Our Media Village Lerning?

by Tom Levenson|  August 4, 20166:10 pm| 183 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Our Failed Media Experiment

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Thought we needed some new threaditude, so how about this?

Here’s a screengrab from coverage of the Polyester Cockwomble‘s rally in Portland, ME*:

Screen Shot 2016-08-04 at 5.55.04 PM

Death by parenthesis.  Couldn’t happen to a nicer leather faced shit-tobboganist.

We’ve had too much celebration today.  Time for the snarling jackals to find some kittens to skull fu….

Oh wait.

This is a family blog.

As you were.

ETA:  Josh Marshall pointed this out, and I forgot to steal it here. As he put it, most campaigns spend at least some effort getting a crowd behind the candidate that looks kind of inclusive.  As you see in the shot above, and as I confirmed watching a few minutes of the rally, not this time.  Trump’s got a phalanx of middle-aged, could-lose-a-few-pounds, white guys (there was one woman visible in the wide shots to Trump’s right, but that was it as far as I could see).  And that’s all.

To call this amateur hour is to insult everyone who’s ever done anything for the love of it.

*Sic! Going after that crucial single electoral vote Maine might give a Republican — in very much the wrong district. Sad!

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  1. 1.

    Smiling Mortician

    August 4, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    Would that all chyrons were so helpful. On a related note, say what you will about HuffPo, at least the editors there end every article about the ludicrous tangerine ballsack with this:

    Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims ― 1.6 billion members of an entire religion ― from entering the U.S.

  2. 2.

    JPL

    August 4, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    Tom, Congrats again.
    I posting this again Portland Press link

    Q: What would be the best deal you could negotiate as president of the United States?
    A: Peace all over the world would be the best deal. And I think I would know how to do it better than anybody else, but peace all over the world.

    He didn’t promise goodwill towards men, though.

  3. 3.

    MattF

    August 4, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    There’s also the Friends of Trump. Who, learning from the Master, are sometimes just a wee bit incautious about their accusations.

  4. 4.

    Dmbeaster

    August 4, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    “Nonexistent”. Well, calling it a lie would be better, but that makes the point, though if we are going to hedge, I prefer “make-believe.”

  5. 5.

    Trentrunner

    August 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    Maybe. But after Obama just responded at length and quite convincingly about the Iran cash non-story, Chuckles Todd said the headline was how “defensive” the President sounded about it. Correspondent Miklaszewski corrected Todd, saying the President was “frustrated” by the sudden re-emergence of this story (it had been announced by the White House in January).

    But of course, Obama is “defensive,” according to Todd.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    Congrats, Tom and John. (Can’t handle the update about the dog.)

    Trump may win Northern Maine, but I can’t see him winning Portland.

  7. 7.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    This is a family blog.

    When the fuck did this happen?

    ETA: Oh, and congrats Tom.

  8. 8.

    Dmbeaster

    August 4, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @JPL: He has clearly spent too much time at beauty paegants.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @Trentrunner: The Village always has a adjective for any occasion. They are not credible.

  10. 10.

    delk

    August 4, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    People standing silently while holding copies of the constitution were booed and escorted out of the rally.

  11. 11.

    Tom Levenson

    August 4, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: ;-)

  12. 12.

    MattF

    August 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @delk: To chants of ‘USA, USA’. You couldn’t make that up.

  13. 13.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    IIRC, something similar happened with the McCain campaign after it started sensing a loss and got desperate. towards the end. The corporate media hacks seemed pained about it. They seemed hurt that the McCain campaign did not keep up their end of the bargain (we fluff for you, you don’t humiliate us and damage our ratings or popularity by being expected to defend the indefensible).

    But the problem with Trump is an order of magnitude worse, much much earlier in the campaign, and no real reason for it other than that is just who the guy is. So maybe the media has just gotten to the DGAF stage without much regret or hurt feelings at all.

    Edit: and he’s looking more and more like a loser. So, won’t be in power, no reason to worry about consequences like losing access relative to more deferential outlets.

  14. 14.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    Some idiot on Reddit decided to make a “Both Candidates Suck” post, in which he used two side-by-side gifs of Trump and Clinton with making contorted faces. But the one of Trump was of him mocking the disabled reporter. When that was pointed out in the comments, there were a number of commenters who did not know that Trump did that, and they were aghast. So thanks Redditor Bro — you got Hillary some votes today.

  15. 15.

    Tom Levenson

    August 4, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @Trentrunner: Chuck Todd’s picture should be in the dictionary next to the phrase “Peter Principle.” He was barely tolerable as an election-mechanics/numbers guy. His every attempt to report on anything that requires reportorial competence more broadly is an insult to table legs (channelling my inner Barney Frank).

  16. 16.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    @Baud: The S in Trump’s BS is just too hard to hide. It is a problem.

  17. 17.

    MattF

    August 4, 2016 at 6:22 pm

    Rather OT, but the reference to ‘family blogs’ reminded me… Did anyone do today’s NYT crossword puzzle? It occured to me that the title of the puzzle would be ‘4Q’.

  18. 18.

    Mary G

    August 4, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    The president wrote a great article in Glamour Magazine (yes, that one):

    This fall we enter a historic election. Two hundred and forty years after our nation’s founding, and almost a century after women finally won the right to vote, for the first time ever, a woman is a major political party’s presidential nominee. No matter your political views, this is a historic moment for America. And it’s just one more example of how far women have come on the long journey toward equality.

    I want all of our daughters and sons to see that this, too, is their inheritance. I want them to know that it’s never been just about the Benjamins; it’s about the Tubmans too. And I want them to help do their part to ensure that America is a place where every single child can make of her life what she will.

    That’s what twenty-first century feminism is about: the idea that when everybody is equal, we are all more free.

    Also, too, there is a great video of backstage at the DNC that I saw earlier and now can’t find. There are a lot of them on Google, so I think I’ll go watch some.

  19. 19.

    satby

    August 4, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @Baud: thank you for reading Reddit so we don’t have to ;)

  20. 20.

    Miss Bianca

    August 4, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    I didn’t realize that Trump had also done a rally at the Air and Space Museum when he was here in CO recently.

    Here are some highlights from the 5280 article (check out the strategic choices of wording tossed into an apparently straightforward narrative – emphasis mine):

    Donald Trump characteristically skirted policy specifics at his stump speech at the Wings Over the Rockies Air and Space Museum in Lowry on Friday evening. The Republican presidential nominee did, however, promise “winning, so much winning you’ll be sick of winning,” as well as to bolster support for the military and police, repeal the Affordable Care Act and Common Core, and improve international trade.

    Much of Trump’s speech focused on his strong-arm stance on immigration—a curious strategy, given that Colorado, a crucial swing state, is home to the eighth largest Latino electorate in the nation. (Fifteen percent of Colorado’s eligible voters identify as Hispanic).

    In addition to saying he’d build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico (that Mexico “will pay for”) as high as the ceiling of the converted Air Force hangar in which he was speaking, Trump spoke about the Syrian refugee crisis. He asserted that these migrants are dangerous and entering the country without being vetted, eliciting uproarious cheers from the mostly white crowd of roughly 6,000 attendees.

    Of course this claim isn’t accurate; refugees to the U.S. undergo extensive screening, and the small number of individuals coming from Syria—less than 2,000 as of May 2016, short of President Barack Obama’s promise of 10,000—are subjected to additional security measure, according to a TIME Magazine analysis.

    Hmm…well, looks like the media are really starting to push back, finally, instead of just uncritically gulping down and spewing back the BS.

  21. 21.

    patrick II

    August 4, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Q: What would be the best deal you could negotiate as president of the United States?
    A: Peace all over the world would be the best …

    He learned that anwer from owning and watching the Ms. Universe contest.

  22. 22.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 4, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    The vermin of the Village are noticing that Drumpf lies easier than he breathes?

    I need Mz. Lindsey’s fainting couch, stat!

  23. 23.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @Baud: Trump may win Northern Maine; they did go for LePage after all and voted against Mike Michaud for Congress.

    But Trump is far too much for Northern Maine. They are rural and uptight. No way they vote for the noted liar and cheater.

    I hope he spends more time here, because it wastes time elsewhere.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    @satby: I don’t venture beyond the front page, and I usually don’t read the political posts because they are usually anti-Dem in some way.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    @redshirt: I’m waiting for his rally in Idaho.

  26. 26.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 4, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @MattF: Chants of “Sieg heil!” would have been much more appropriate.

  27. 27.

    Schlemazel

    August 4, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @JPL:
    reposted from previous thread: I am sure that the glowing readioactive residue would be VERY peaceful.

  28. 28.

    dmsilev

    August 4, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @Trentrunner: Once, just once, I’d like a beat reporter to listen to one of Todd’s asinine statements or questions and respond with ‘Chuck, you ignorant slut’. The true classics never go out of style.

  29. 29.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @Baud: Wasilla.

  30. 30.

    Tom Levenson

    August 4, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @dmsilev: I approve this message.

  31. 31.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    @Tom Levenson: Seems like every network has its own preferred MO for pumping out BS, editorializing, and audience loyalty pandering, and other marketing efforts, instead of news. Fox News tries to launder this stuff through on-air gesture and expression reading experts and other frauds. CNN gives it anchors tip sheets on the kind of editorilizing they want, and the anchors ad lib between the infinite loop of repeated news stories and teasers for new stories that never show up. Other places trot out people like Todd to pretend to be thoughtful and have insights and deep thoughts and related BS.

  32. 32.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @redshirt: Yeah, at least LePage is a local obnoxious guy. Not sure how Trump plays.

  33. 33.

    debbie

    August 4, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @JPL:

    You know, you really can’t even parody this stuff anymore.

  34. 34.

    gogol's wife

    August 4, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @Schlemazel:

    With only Burgess Meredith, alone with all those books . . . until he steps on his glasses.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @JPL: I’ll give Trump this — most of the world is united against him.

  36. 36.

    Miss Bianca

    August 4, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @Mary G: Wow, when did “Glamour” become such a cool magazine? (looking at the other articles).

  37. 37.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    August 4, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    Congrats Tom, good job.

    Just saw the Hillary ad with kids watching Hair Furor speaking. Holy shit, that’s a killer ad.

    The media is only getting it right because they have little choice. The alternative is to act like a ‘bag, like Chuckles Toddler. Is his wife still making bank off opposition to Hills?

  38. 38.

    JustRuss

    August 4, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @Tom Levenson: Yeah. David Gregory atleast seemed to be a little embarrassed about sucking up to Republicans and pushing their talking points. Todd doesn’t even seem to be aware that he’s doing it.

  39. 39.

    MJS

    August 4, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @jl: I’m a worrier by nature, so I can’t help but think the media is just waiting for Trump to gain a point or two in some poll or another so they can unveil their “amazing comeback” narrative. I can’t believe they can go all the way to November without proclaiming this a “real race.”

  40. 40.

    Schlemazel

    August 4, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @gogol’s wife:
    Except it is Drumpf . . . and he is stepping on his dick, AGAIN!

  41. 41.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @Trentrunner:
    I want my democratic controversy dammit. No one cares about Hillary Chris Wallace, so this needs to stick. Wahhhh.

  42. 42.

    Jeffro

    August 4, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    I am killing time going for a walk at Jeffro Junior’s soccer practice and I noticed a bumper sticker on a car in the lot : “Not A Liberal ”

    Had to snap a quick picture and email it to my dad and brother, to ask if there might be a connection between that and recent events . I’ll try not to hold my breath waiting for them to ‘get it ‘

  43. 43.

    Schlemazel

    August 4, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @JustRuss:
    EMBARRASSED? Like when he danced with Bush’s anus? Yeah, he was really red-faced about that . . .

  44. 44.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Mary G:
    I loved it, great article.

  45. 45.

    MattF

    August 4, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Jeffro: I’ve seen that bumper sticker on Priuses (Priuii?)

  46. 46.

    Grumpy Code Monkey

    August 4, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    Trump has given the media something better than a horse race – he’s given them a freak show. He’s a hurricane, earthquake, tsunami, and a wildfire all wrapped in a shiny orange package. The only thing that would make it better is if he started biting the heads off of small animals.

    Now that it’s becoming obvious to even the most knee-jerk both-sides-do-it pundit that Trump is unquestionably, unambiguously unqualified to even take the White House tour, much less hold office, the media can indulge in in their “if it bleeds it leads” instincts and stop pretending that this is an actual race. Even better, they can tut-tut his outrageous behavior without ever admitting their own complicity in his becoming the nominee.

    And this way they can keep him in the news with a clear conscience that he will never be allowed near the levers of power, because not more than half of the country is certifiably insane.

    Right?

  47. 47.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 4, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Trentrunner: Chuckles needs to take a long walk off a short pier. What an in the tank for the GOP asshole he is.

  48. 48.

    Mike E

    August 4, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Did you catch the back to back PBS documentaries about the Berlin Olympics? 1st was about the IOC (turning a blind eye to Hitler’s regime) and the 2nd was on the Washington Huskies 8 man rowing team that took gold…great stuff

  49. 49.

    TS

    August 4, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Local Press still has some standards that the political media partly lost c. 2000 & completely gave away in 2008.

  50. 50.

    Brachiator

    August 4, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @Baud:

    When that was pointed out in the comments, there were a number of commenters who did not know that Trump did that, and they were aghast

    This is very funny. Such a nice, unexpected outcome.

    Interesting, though probably not unusual, that that the Reddit posters don’t follow politics much. Good that some may have been inoculated against Trump, in case they vote.

  51. 51.

    Trentrunner

    August 4, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @MJS: This. This is absolutely going to happen, at least up to the debates, when Hillary will “shrill” on about policy in great detail and Trump will manage not to take a dump on the debate carpet, so MSM will call it a “draw.”

    No way the polls won’t tighten at least once between now and November.

  52. 52.

    Ryan

    August 4, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    Were the Muslin Iranians dancing as they were unloading?

  53. 53.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    @JustRuss: I wonder how much of it is corrupt journalists, deference to their conception of balance, or sheer laziness. Sadly, this question comes to my mind almost every day when listening to news on radio or TV.

    Example from last night. The soundbite in the top-of-the-hour broadcast was that Congress didn’t pass Obama request for Zika funding because Democrats would not allow GOPers to spend ‘left-over’ Ebloa funding. WTF? What ‘left-over’ Ebloa funding? Surveillance and continuing prevention funding is ‘left-over’?

  54. 54.

    debbie

    August 4, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    @Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant):

    They’ve run that ad in Ohio for some time, but it doesn’t seem to have hurt Trump much. According to the polls over at TPM, Clinton and Trump are basically tied.

  55. 55.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    Mother Jones asks Trump supporters about the Khan controversy. Here are their responses.

  56. 56.

    gogol's wife

    August 4, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    I hope you’re right.

  57. 57.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 4, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @Ryan: The Watusi. Or was it the Tango?

  58. 58.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Baud: I just go there via teh Google when I have a computer issue. It’s sometimes helpful.

  59. 59.

    Jane2

    August 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: That is fantastic.

  60. 60.

    Mike E

    August 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Not quite accurate…Meredith grabs a book to read and knocks his ridiculously thick glasses off a perch and onto the concrete, shattering them…Trump steps on his own dick, repeatedly

  61. 61.

    gogol's wife

    August 4, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @hovercraft:

    I get sick to my stomach when I see these people.

    Their whole program is based on hatred for Hillary (and black and brown people).

  62. 62.

    piratedan

    August 4, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    the part that excites me (and sometimes worries me as well) is that this is looking more and more like a wave election… and with that means that while it certainly appears that Hillary is taking control of the electorate, if not by her own policies than by the unbridled fear that the GOP candidate offers with his own dystopian visions. Fine, I’ll take that.

    The part that is incredibly fascinating is that by Trump being Trump and the GOP’s avowed lemminglike behavior in following down the line in staying true to their party means an opportunity to root those rascals out is before us. With Trump self immolating (and the Dems gleefully handing them matches and gasoline), it has the real possibility of taking down people like John McCain, Kelly Ayotte and taking back seats in places like Nevada, Wisconsin to turn the GOP obstructionism on its ear in the Senate. The wave appears to be growing in that if the Dems are able to tie the GOP to Trump (or is that the Trump to the GOP) that the House may flip as well. If that is the case, I certainly hope that Ms. Clinton and Nancy Smash are coordinating EXACTLY what they want to get done before the GOP obstruction machine clears its gears because we all know that the MSM is wired for them and will do everything to suddenly become earnest policy wonks once again if this truly comes to pass.

    I would really love to see the Dems take advantage of this and get their priorities in order to move through legislation that we’ve all been waiting for, be it taxes, health care, gun control, infrastructure, energy. college tuition, etc

  63. 63.

    Nom de Plume

    August 4, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    @Baud:

    Some idiot on Reddit decided to make a “Both Candidates Suck” post

    There is a lot of “both sides” equivalence on display at that website. I’ve done my best to fight it, but the Reddit demographic is overwhelmingly young, and they’re in that “both parties are the same” stage of life, which only time can correct.

  64. 64.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    @dmsilev: I tried that on the kid once, it helps that her name is Jane. Yes, I showed her the SNL clip.

  65. 65.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 4, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @hovercraft: That second guy (Christopher Abel) has totally lost it with a rambling idiotic response like that. He’s also projecting like a motherfucker on that second question.

  66. 66.

    D58826

    August 4, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    No the village is not learning. Watched the President’s presser and then the comments that Chuckles todd asked. He thought the President was defensive on the issue of the money transfer to Iran. And added that the whole thing seemed like such a co-incidence. I thought that Obama was frustrated not defensive. The administration months ago. Of course it happened at the same time. Both sides were cleaning up a number of outstanding issues so it all happened at once.

    But of course we do have a subject matter expert on paying ransom for hostages. And that is the esteemed (cough) Ollie North. He claims it was ransom and I guess he should know.

    Chuckles also criticized the President for not having any new approaches tro Syria after Obama laid out all of the things that we have tried. It seems beyond the ability of the MSM to grasp the fact that there may not be a solution to Syria. Or at least not one that the US can impose. They just might have to fight until they are totally exhausted and all sides see that they can’t win. Unfortunately that means a lot more bloodshed and refugees.

  67. 67.

    gogol's wife

    August 4, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @Mike E:

    I knew I was getting it slightly wrong, as I always do, since it’s based on a memory from the original broadcast.

    This was one reference that my students actually knew — they don’t know who Greta Garbo is, but they knew all about the Burgess Meredith TZ episode.

  68. 68.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I look at tech stuff there, mostly Android. On the front page, they have animals, nature shots, and some funny things. Some aspects are just awful.

    @Nom de Plume: Young, and mostly white male, at least on anything political.

  69. 69.

    Mike in DC

    August 4, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    I think Clinton +20(or better) is achievable in one of these polls, the question is when it happens. If it happens this month the GOP will absolutely abandon him. The RNC will stop spending on his behalf and the pols will withdraw their endorsements while studiously avoiding the phrase “vote your conscience”.

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @Tom Levenson: When you can’t finish your BA in political science, which means you likely didn’t even take the undergrad stats course, how, exactly, does one get hired as the resident quant?

  71. 71.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    Why Do So Many People Hate Hillary? Meet Your Press
    By Karoli Kuns

    Why does everyone hate Hillary Clinton? I have an answer for that.

    When Bill Clinton left office, I was mildly respectful of her and how she held her head high during the whole nonsense with the impeachment.

    Then she faded into memory and I didn’t think much of or about her until she ran for the Democratic nomination against Barack Obama.

    Boy, oh boy, did the hate factor triple. I loathed her, and I used all of the tropes media consistently uses to justify it. Instead of bothering to actually look at her record, I just bought into all the claims that she was just. like. Bill. Triangulator, conservative in wolf’s clothing, and more. Because she was standing in the way of MY CANDIDATE, in whom I placed all of my hopes.

    I didn’t want more of the 90s thrum of constant smears, which I viewed as being her fault entirely. I didn’t want to have to defend them. Never mind the decades-long right wing vendetta. I did not want to deal with it.

    In my mind, she was a sellout to the Democratic Party, her vote for Iraq was unforgivable, and she was indeed “Lady Macbeth” with claws and gnarled fingers. I did come to understand why she voted for the Iraq war before she ran for office this time, based on my interaction with people from New York who genuinely, sincerely believed Saddam Hussein was connected to the 9-11 attacks. She was, after all, elected to represent them.

    Still, I never gave any weight to her efforts on behalf of the 9-11 first responders, or children with asthma, or lead abatement efforts, or the environment, or anything that actually helped people.

    And then, she was Secretary of State. That happens to be a position that is near and dear to my heart, given my own family member who served as a diplomat for nearly 30 years. It meant a lot to me, and I started to keep an eye on her much more closely. She really did a stellar job on the repair and care of our relationships with other countries. Instead of being globally loathed, the United States was garnering respect again. That counted for something, but still not that much.

  72. 72.

    Just One More Canuck

    August 4, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    @debbie: the last poll included in the TPM average was taken before the Democratic convention

  73. 73.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    @piratedan: Having just finished “Before the Storm”, I see a number of parallels to the 1964 Goldwater election.

  74. 74.

    Brachiator

    August 4, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Mike in DC:

    If it happens this month the GOP will absolutely abandon him. The RNC will stop spending on his behalf and the pols will withdraw their endorsements while studiously avoiding the phrase “vote your conscience”.

    Nope, but nice fantasy. The GOP is riding this nag to the bitter end, unless Trump himself does a Palin and pulls out.

  75. 75.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @Ryan: Dancing is forbidden in Iran.

  76. 76.

    Mary G

    August 4, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    Police officer found guilty in Virginia for shooting unarmed black 18-year-old.

    Bad news is that it was only manslaughter and his sentence is only 2 1/2 years, but it’s a start.

  77. 77.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: They need to watch Footloose.

  78. 78.

    JMG

    August 4, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @piratedan: A nice thought, but the thing is the new Democrats in the Congress elected in any such wave will have their own ideas. They are likely to be notably to the left of the Congress Obama had in 2009, and I think we can count the filibuster as gone if the Dems win the Senate, or should Trump win and there’s a Republican senate.

  79. 79.

    Mike in NC

    August 4, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    Last Drumpf rally featured a bunch of fat old white folks down in Florida. Now a different bunch of fat old white folks up in Maine. Does he bus them around the country?

  80. 80.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @Baud: They weren’t helpful with my Win10 update problem on this computer. Turns out the problem was that I had installed a SSD and cloned the original hard drive when I first set up the computer and the old disk still had a windows boot sector on it and confused windows setup. I unplugged all the drives except for the SSD and the install went fine.

  81. 81.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @Mike in NC: Plenty of fat white folks to be found everywhere in this great nation.

  82. 82.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @redshirt: Footloose is also forbidden in Iran.

  83. 83.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Interesting. I just got my Mac back from Apple, who replaced the logic board. Now I can’t back up.

  84. 84.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Makes sense. How about Guardians of the Galaxy? Backdoor Footloose wisdom.

  85. 85.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I’ve never asked anyone there for any advice. Half the problem is finding the best subreddit for your needs.

  86. 86.

    Mike E

    August 4, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Shoe Loose was popular in Iraq when W visited there, tho ;-)

  87. 87.

    Brachiator

    August 4, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Having just finished “Before the Storm”, I see a number of parallels to the 1964 Goldwater election.

    Curious. Such as?

  88. 88.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @hovercraft: I think most people who ‘hate’ HRC do so because she has been mercilessly smeared by the GOP through complicit or gullible, or lazy, media coverage for almost a year.

    One reason for hope is that HRC’s approval numbers can change, they go up and down. Trump’s seem very stable, and I think he is busy showing why that difference between the two will last.

  89. 89.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @redshirt: I took my old machine and added 2 SSD’s and installed OSX and Linux Mint on them and now it triple boots to Win10, OSX, and Linux.

  90. 90.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @Mike E: Every body’s gotta throw shoes,
    throw shoes, kick off your Sunday blues.

  91. 91.

    Roger Moore

    August 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @debbie:

    According to the polls over at TPM, Clinton and Trump are basically tied.

    That’s because there aren’t any polls of Ohio since before the Republican convention. Stale data means no movement.

  92. 92.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Nice. I’m going to add an SSD to my current MacBookPro but I’m waiting to see if it’s stable since the logic board replacement. So far, jury’s fucking out!

  93. 93.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @Brachiator: Badly run campaign, the reluctance of the GOP establishment to cut their loses…

  94. 94.

    Trollhattan

    August 4, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @jl: Not to worry–he’ll replace the B with another S.

  95. 95.

    Trollhattan

    August 4, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    A fiesta in your computer!

  96. 96.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @redshirt: Almost all western entertainment is haram (forbidden) under the laws of Iran. There are, of course, bootlegs and attempts at satellite tv and internet streaming workarounds.

  97. 97.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @redshirt: It’s a bit easier on this machine since it’s a 7 year old HP.

  98. 98.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Even the Shahs of Sunset?

  99. 99.

    sm*t cl*de

    August 4, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    a phalanx of middle-aged, could-lose-a-few-pounds, white guys

    Falangists, one could call them.

  100. 100.

    Trollhattan

    August 4, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    @Mike in NC:
    Huh. If he’s doing the corners is Washington State next or does one of his “advisors” inform him Alaska is a state? So many choices.

  101. 101.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    @Baud: What is this, I play straight man hour for the blog?

    Yes, even the Shahs of Sunset.

  102. 102.

    Miss Bianca

    August 4, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    @D58826:

    It seems beyond the ability of the MSM to grasp the fact that there may not be a solution to Syria.

    It seems beyond the ability of *everyone* in this country to grasp, and MSM failure has got to be part of it. I tried explaining to someone who was fulminating that “Hillary can’t wait to start bombing Syria” that we were ALREADY bombing Syria.

    Suffice it to say that things went downhill from there.

  103. 103.

    scav

    August 4, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    Every time I see the chyrons pop up, doing the work talking head journalists never seem to manage, I get a warm mental giggle thinking that Colbert’s The Wørd has not only escaped and made it out into the wild but is propagating.

  104. 104.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Over the last 3 weeks I’ve installed maybe 30 SSD’s into desktops. Most of them were dell XPS 8900’s. A fine machine, but a difficult operation each time.
    8 of these computers were HP’s from circa 2011 (I forget the model) and they were fantastic! The fan and the DVD-drive both slid out from the case, fully exposing the hard drive for super easy removal and replacement. The best inside the case computer I’ve ever seen.

  105. 105.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: Nope, one of those guys is advising Trump.
    motherjones.com/mojo/2016/03/walid-phares-makes-comeback-trumps-campaign-team

    (Full disclosure: I knew Walid for several years before it was ever alleged that he not only had ties to one of the Lebanese Christian militias, but that he was one of their senior/key strategists and planners. I knew him in his capacity as a professor at Florida Atlantic University specializing in conflict resolution. We did some public radio together and a conference panel. He was always a gentleman and a scholar. I have no idea why he’s taken the route he has professionally since leaving FAU for a DC think tank and have no contact with him since 2004.)

  106. 106.

    Miss Bianca

    August 4, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    @Baud: Even the Sultans of Swing. Even Rock the Casbah. Even “Road to Baghdad.”

  107. 107.

    JPL

    August 4, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    @Baud: Believe Me!!!!!!!!!!!!

  108. 108.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    @Trollhattan: I thought Trump was going to compete in CA, don’t think he’s been here much.

  109. 109.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You forgot “Say goodnight. Gracie.”

  110. 110.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    Even “I ran” from Flock of Seagulls?

  111. 111.

    Roger Moore

    August 4, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    Trump doesn’t have to come to CA to compete; he just has to let us know about his greatness, and we’ll vote for him. Or something.

  112. 112.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @redshirt: Yup, this one has a drive bay that you can pull out; makes things super easy. It’s a Pavilion 9552, top of the line at the time(2009).

  113. 113.

    Trollhattan

    August 4, 2016 at 7:08 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    I figure he needs at least one trip to the border to gather his [cough] clan and yell at Mexico/Mexicans. San Diego is nice but Calexico would be more atmospheric. Literally how Tim Donnelly started his political career.

  114. 114.

    debbie

    August 4, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    @Just One More Canuck:
    @Roger Moore:

    Apologies. The graph looked like it went through to the end of July. It will be interesting to see if the ad makes any impact on Trump supporters.

  115. 115.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 4, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    I understand from the twitter machine that Teh Donald is going to make a stop in the key swing state of Washington.

  116. 116.

    scav

    August 4, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    Donald Trump has once again made a sacrifice, an unbelievable patriotic never before attempted by any other Republican candidate sacrifice and gets No Credit for it. I mean. He is sharing his TV screen space. HIS. with other people. And not just any old random set of Losers. Sharing HIS screen space with White Men. Takes a Hero.

  117. 117.

    SFAW

    August 4, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @jl:

    I think most people who ‘hate’ HRC do so because she has been mercilessly smeared by the GOP through complicit or gullible, or lazy, media coverage for almost a year.

    Well, that, plus they’re morons.

  118. 118.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 4, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @scav: I’m sold. Where to I sign up?

  119. 119.

    Roger Moore

    August 4, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    @redshirt:
    Some of the cases for home-built computers are really good in that respect. I have an old Antec P-180 that’s wonderful. All the drives install in blocks that you can slide out to work on them. Of course it’s a full-tower case, so it’s easier to provide space for everything.

  120. 120.

    SFAW

    August 4, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    What is this, I play straight man hour for the blog?

    Someone’s got to.

  121. 121.

    slag

    August 4, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    In before Anne Laurie: Joe Biden wins today’s Internet.

  122. 122.

    sigaba

    August 4, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @hovercraft: I keep sorta hoping against hope that these people will have gotten past all the Vince Foster bullshit but nothing doing. I note not one of them mentioned Bengahzi or emails.

  123. 123.

    Brachiator

    August 4, 2016 at 7:21 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    Badly run campaign, the reluctance of the GOP establishment to cut their loses…

    Was there any talk to dump Goldwater after he became this nominee? I don’t know this book. Sounds interesting. But Goldwater was mainstream GOP, unlike Trump. And didn’t he represent a return of the Robert Taft wing of conservatives?

  124. 124.

    Roger Moore

    August 4, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @jl:

    I think most people who ‘hate’ HRC do so because she has been mercilessly smeared by the GOP through complicit or gullible, or lazy, media coverage for almost a year.

    Almost a year? More like 25 years. I guess they let up a tiny bit while she was Sec State, but she’s been slammed by the press since before Bill was elected.

  125. 125.

    Timurid

    August 4, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    This reminds me of the movie Valkyrie and how it got the story fundamentally wrong.
    The generals didn’t try to kill Hitler because he was a bloodthirsty tyrant. They did it because he was bad at being a bloodthirsty tyrant.

    The Village isn’t going to plant a bomb in Trump’s bunker because he’s a white supremacist. They’ll do it because he’s an ineffectual white supremacist.

  126. 126.

    Mnemosyne

    August 4, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @slag:

    I think those are from the “Things That Are Harder Than Registering To Vote” video that Obama did, which was funny as hell.

    ETA: And if they aren’t, I suspect child labor was involved, as in Grandpa giving the materials to his granddaughters. ?

  127. 127.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 7:24 pm

    @scav:

    Not just any White Men, middle aged doughy White Men, the Real Deal.

  128. 128.

    slag

    August 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    @Mnemosyne: They are. It was.

  129. 129.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    @Roger Moore: Good point. I was referring to just the latest series of smear campaigns.

  130. 130.

    gorram

    August 4, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    *LePage voice* Don’t you mean the crowd looks like it’s just MAINE people?

  131. 131.

    Timurid

    August 4, 2016 at 7:28 pm

    @jl:

    People of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

  132. 132.

    Lizzy L

    August 4, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Brachiator: A friend of mine thinks that as his polls drop, Trump will keep yelling about the election being rigged, and that sometime in October he’ll drop out on that pretext, making sure to take all the money with him.

  133. 133.

    Jim, Foolish LIteralist

    August 4, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @jl: @hovercraft: I think most people who ‘hate’ HRC do so because she has been mercilessly smeared by the GOP through complicit or gullible, or lazy, media coverage for almost a year.

    Also, none of the charges against HRC can be answered. From Benghazi from the kooks, to the emails from the Village to the Wall St Speeches from the right, the standard that is constantly asked of her is “prove you didn’t do anything untoward!” much less wrong. I just watched clip of her being interviewed by a local station in Denver, and the smarmy young thing first implicitly accepted Trump’s drawing a parallel between his tax returns and her emails, she said, “That’s apples and oranges” and he smirked and said “What was in those emails that you don’t want people to see?” What’s in your emails, punk? You want your wife to see you bitching about her to your brother, or vice-versa? You talking to your other college buddies about how none of you like that one guy’s wife?

  134. 134.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @Brachiator: It’s Perlstein’s prequel to “Nixonland”, I’m a bit too young to remember the ’64 election so it was interesting reading(I really liked “Nixonland” and “The Invisible Bridge”). Yes, he represent a revival of Taft conservatism after Ike, but with a harder edge. The mainstream of the party by that time was Ike, not Taft.

  135. 135.

    JPL

    August 4, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    I envision this song played at the next Trump rally

    Let there be peace on earth
    And let it begin with me.
    Let there be peace on earth
    The peace that was meant to be.
    fk..yeah
    hang the bitch

  136. 136.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    It’s part of his secret state campaign. Didn’t you hear him say yesterday that he was contesting states that no other republican would contest, but he’s not telling anyone about it just like his secret ISIS strategy. He doesn’t want hillary to start running ads in those states, he’s just going to spring some surprise wins. I do know they include NJ, NY, CA and CT. You won’t know about the campaign until it’s too late.

  137. 137.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    August 4, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    Hey, wait a minute. I’m middle aged and could lose a few pounds. It’s not age or width that makes a person a mean-spirited assho– well, it doesn’t make a person a Republican mean-spirited asshole, anyway.

  138. 138.

    Baud

    August 4, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @hovercraft: He’s like a ninja.

  139. 139.

    jl

    August 4, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    @hovercraft: Meg Whitman apparently was really steamed that Trump is stealing her clever campaign tactic of insulting random cities she needed to win her recent CA gub election. She is not only refusing to endorse Trump but will support and raise money for HRC. The news report didn’t say whether she will personally campaign for HRC (maybe best not to, if she really wants to help. No offense intended, Meg, it just is what it is).

    That might keep a lesser mortal out of CA, but I trust Trump will see it as an insult and a slight and he doubles down on trying win CA.

  140. 140.

    Mary G

    August 4, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Here is the backstage at the DNC video that is so good I got a little misty-eyed. Obama’s rocking to Eminem before he goes out at about 1:00, and when Chelsea is introducing HRC, HRC watching backstage says “she looks so pretty” in that my-kid-is-so-awesome Mom voice.

    I enjoy thinking of Trump watching it and flinging poo at Reince.

  141. 141.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    JD Hayworth was on Tweety’s show, Obama can’t call bullshit on the ‘rigged’ bullshit because he’s from Cook County, IL. There is no voter suppression, because Jimmy Carter agrees with photo ID. Governor Moonbeam and the the democrat legislature has rigged it to not “get out the vote, but to bring in the vote”. The general may be rigged because the democrat primary was rigged. The DNC resignations were to inoculate Hillary from e-mails that have yet to be exposed.

  142. 142.

    one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer

    August 4, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    “Fuck the Republican Base”.

    – Matt Taibbi, to David Gergen (causing great gnashing of teeth)

  143. 143.

    Schlemazel

    August 4, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    He has to spend time in battle ground state, currently that would include Georgia, both Carolinas and Arizona. Good times!

  144. 144.

    Truegster

    August 4, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    I think the media is “learning” like the GOP establishment is – they don’t want to be associated with contributing to the rise of Trump. CNN has birther lewandowski on, Joe Scar was Trump’s bff, so the media has a new urge to show they can call b.s. I don’t think it will last long or carry over to other subjects.
    The failure of Trump may start to look like the failure of the Iraq war to them – the alternative media and blogs took off because they lost credibility.

  145. 145.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    @Jim, Foolish LIteralist:
    It’s been an endless “when did you stop beating your wife?” There is no way to answer, and that’s the whole point.

  146. 146.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 4, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Schlemazel: Trump’s campaign seems to be controlled more by his id than polling, so you and I might consider those to be battleground states; but Trump thinks it’s CA, NY, and CT.

  147. 147.

    daverave

    August 4, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    @patrick II:

    L&G, today’s intertubes winna!

  148. 148.

    Lizzy L

    August 4, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    @jl: Oh, I really want him to try to win California. And New York. I think he’ll give it a shot. His ego won’t let him concede those states.

  149. 149.

    JPL

    August 4, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @jl: This also…

    In the Bloomberg interview, Warren was asked why she thought Wall Street bankers had given so much more money to Hillary Clinton than to Trump, and whether that meant Wall Street would exert more pressure on Democrats to act on their behalf.
    “I don’t see it as a swing back to Democrats so much as I see it as supporting sanity,” Warren said. “The financial-services people, as much as many of them would like to see more deregulation, are also deeply frightened by the prospect of a Trump presidency. Nuclear war is bad for business.”

    boston.com link

  150. 150.

    OldDave

    August 4, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    Even the Sultans of Swing

    Speaking of such, Sultans Of Swing Master Guitar Track

  151. 151.

    Schlemazel

    August 4, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    Yeah, that works for me, I hope he can drag some additional Republicans down there with him

  152. 152.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer: Link? Video clip?

  153. 153.

    hitchhiker

    August 4, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    @Baud:

    The /r/hillaryclinton sub is pretty good — very well-moderated & constantly updated (mostly from twitter & the usual tv channels) & pretty lively. Zero troll toleration! And finally, a useful sidebar for people trying to find info.

  154. 154.

    ThresherK

    August 4, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    @one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer: Maybe David Gurgle can run to the welcoming arms of NPR and PBS, where he won’t have to hear the word fuck somebody who’ll disagree with him sternly and more than once.

  155. 155.

    hitchhiker

    August 4, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @hovercraft:

    There’s a video collection going around that starts in 1992 and is essentially a series of news pukes asking Hillary Clinton over and over and over why so many people dislike her.

  156. 156.

    one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer

    August 4, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Dammit – memory was shoddy. The major line was “fuck the business community”, but Gergen was also aghast at Taibbi’s disrespect of the concerns of the tea party.

    Yhe Apoplexy of David Gergen

  157. 157.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 4, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @Mike E: You’ve probably read THE BOYS IN THE BOAT about that rowing team. If not, it’s an engaging book.

  158. 158.

    Adam L Silverman

    August 4, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer: Got it, thanks. Saw it at the time. Thought you were referring to something that had just happened.

  159. 159.

    slackerjax

    August 4, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    obligatory MST3K linkage: youtube.com/watch?v=seJSVbE9cxc

  160. 160.

    Gelfling 545

    August 4, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @jl: It has always been my feeling that the dislike of HRC among some Democrats was a side effect of Bill Clinton’s popularity. He was extremely well liked but undoubtedly behaved shamefully toward his wife. It was easier to excuse him if one believed his behavior could be put down to some defect in his wife so she became caricatured as a cold, evil bitch so blame could be shifted.

  161. 161.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 4, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    @redshirt: Maine Republicans used to be nice, what happened?

  162. 162.

    ThresherK

    August 4, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Just because that title reminds me of something, an old SCTV favorite.

  163. 163.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 4, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @ThresherK: LOL. How retro!

  164. 164.

    jonas

    August 4, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @JPL:

    Peace all over the world would be the best deal. And I think I would know how to do it better than anybody else, but peace all over the world.

    What is this, the fucking Miss Universe pageant? Oh, wait…

  165. 165.

    hovercraft

    August 4, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @hitchhiker:
    It’s in the link in comment #71. Our media Iz NOT learning.

  166. 166.

    Mike E

    August 4, 2016 at 8:40 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: The docu told a great story…I’ll make sure to read it

  167. 167.

    randy khan

    August 4, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @Mike in DC:

    Clinton +20 is a good excuse to post something about margins in Presidential elections:

    Last election with a margin of at least:

    3% – 2012
    7% – 2008
    8% – 1996 (for those who are curious, a bigger margin than Bush-Dukakis and Reagan-Mondale)
    9% – 1980
    23% – 1972
    24% – 1936
    25% – 1924
    26% – 1920

    If there’s a gap, that means that there weren’t any elections with the missing numbers between the two dates listed (e.g., 1976 didn’t have a margin bigger than 9%).

  168. 168.

    catclub

    August 4, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Family of kitten skullfuckers, but still.

  169. 169.

    ThresherK

    August 4, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: “Retro”?

    I’m fascinated that the stuff I never gave up from my misspent youth has an adjective for it. I get to tell my nephews and nieces that once upon a time a mashup of a B-studio comedy serial and a ground-breaking self-examining play about homosexuals was simply not done.

    Of course, then Blazing Saddles will come on and they have no idea who Marlene Dietrich was, so they don’t know why Madeleine Kahn is singing with a bunch of WWI German soldiers in the old west is a fcking riot.

  170. 170.

    catclub

    August 4, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @Miss Bianca: Lebanon civil war lasted 15 years. Syria’s could last longer.

  171. 171.

    catclub

    August 4, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    @piratedan:

    I would really love to see the Dems take advantage of this and get their priorities in order to move through legislation that we’ve all been waiting for, be it taxes, health care, gun control, infrastructure, energy. college tuition, etc

    I suspect that the Obama admin has been making a list. Setting priorities (and triaging back all the things that cannot come first) will be hard.

  172. 172.

    patroclus

    August 4, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: He came to Chicago that one time that we had a riot and he hasn’t been back. We were, like, get that sh*t outta here, and he got the message. I don’t expect him back the entire election.

  173. 173.

    Ken

    August 4, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    @hovercraft:

    I do know they include NJ, NY, CA and CT. You won’t know about the campaign until it’s too late.

    Most people won’t even be aware of the Trump campaign in those states until after the election.

  174. 174.

    Barb2

    August 4, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @hovercraft:
    Karoli Kuns = a vicious, vicious baby snot.I used to read her – no more than a paragraph at a time. She was dripping hate – but it was false hate. Like manufactured hate that was being preached like a gospel from christ. I’ve seen young adults dripping with this implanted hate. Like some of the Bernie bots. They use programmed talking points and they hate Hillary.

    She still clings to the hate , it is deeply implanted – like a religious cult experience. I grew up in a religious cult. Walked away then got a college degree trying to understand cults.

    The GOP operatives like Stone – are afraid of Clinton and have stayed on message for decades. Even today the ratfvcker stays on his message of hate.

  175. 175.

    Barb2

    August 4, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    WA has some hard core Republican pockets, mostly in Eastern WA. Plus some rural pockets. For years I drove by “Get US out of the UN” signs. Put up by John Birch devotees.

    Seattle and urbam, metro areas are liberal. Thus our two sort of liberal women Senators and our great Governor Jay Inslee. The religious right nuts are here and their Mega Churches, prosperity Gospel – the religion based on greed and hate.

    Trump has a following in WA – and that’s where he will go to feed his ego. Then he’ll think he has WA in his pocket. Scream like a idiot when WA votes Hillary in November.

  176. 176.

    jonas

    August 4, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Maine? He’s campaigning in Maine? WTF? I also hear he’s planning a swing through upstate NY. He’s just showing up places where he thinks he can get a good turnout in some local venue, not anywhere that actually matters for the EC. Sure, he could fill a high school gym in some rural upstate town with local yokels eager to hear him take Hillary down a notch, but there is no fucking way in a million years that Trump wins NY. None. It would be like HRC thinking she can contest Wyoming. Total waste of time, but par for the course if you have a complete amateur campaign operation, I suppose. And a candidate only interested in stroking his insane narcissistic ego.

  177. 177.

    Bess

    August 4, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    According to the polls over at TPM, Clinton and Trump are basically tied.

    The stuff on the right hand side of the TPM page is not a news report, it’s an ad from the fossil fuel industry.

    That’s because there aren’t any polls of Ohio since before the Republican convention.

    Five Thirty Eight reports five Ohio polls with Clinton leading in all. A 3.6% advantage.

  178. 178.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 4, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    Journalism somehow got into our TV news? I’m scared.

  179. 179.

    J R in WV

    August 4, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @jl:

    You are flat wrong – they have been drumming up hate against Hillary Clinton with lies and distortions for the past 25 years, since she was First Lady. No other First Lady has ever been through the shit-storm Hillary (and her daughter) were put through during President Bill Clinton’s administration in the history of the nation.

    Yet while she was a Senator she had great ratings from her constituents. While she was Secretary of State she got great ratings from her staff, other national foreign services, and her boss, President Obama. Now she’s starting to look better and better as a presidential candidate, thank dog and FSM.

  180. 180.

    redshirt

    August 4, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: They’ve been infected with whatever virus is viral nationally and turns all Republicans into monsters.

    Susan Collins pretends she’s immune….

  181. 181.

    SFAW

    August 4, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @J R in WV:

    Yet while she was a Senator she had great ratings from her constituents.

    I think also from her colleagues — on both sides of the aisle.

  182. 182.

    SFAW

    August 4, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    If not, it’s an engaging book.

    The actual story — as in, what happened in 1936 and the lead-up to it — is engaging. Dan Brown’s riting, however, sucks. Must be something about the name.

  183. 183.

    JustRuss

    August 5, 2016 at 1:39 am

    @jonas: NY is Trump’s home turf. Of course, it’s Hilary’s too, since they elected her to the senate. If he were smart he’d let it go. But, Trump, so….

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