Well, now … This just made my day. Here’s to hoping it goes viral. And not just any viral but the greatest, bestest, most awesome viral the world has ever known. Believe me, minions.
@germy shoemangler: Terry Vaught might be a Balloon-Juicer. Almost top 10,000 and all.
6.
Amir Khalid
Trump should give this Terry Vaught guy a job writing speeches. He’s got the style down cold.
As for the daily Walter report, people have been asking for today’s poop picture. I’m not so keen to see it myself, but you don’t want to let the fans down.
7.
Patricia Kayden
Vaugt’s letter is perfect but it’s missing the words “huuuge” and “Believe me!” Otherwise, it’s right on the nose. Trump may have to hire this man for his flailing campaign.
@Amir Khalid: I’ll settle for a sitrep. Dog poop pictures are a treat that should be reserved for special occasions. Cole shouldn’t post them too extravagantly.
So here we are, technical grownups, thousands of miles apart, able to converse in a way previous generations could not have dreamed, and what do we talk about? Dog poop!
Perhaps this is another plot by a liberal Congress to make us believe that global warming is a real threat. Perhaps next time there should be serious studies performed before Congress passes laws with such far-reaching effects.
14.
Xantar
Serious question: do we know Terry Vaught’s gender?
15.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: It’s the Tampa Bay Times. Maybe Terry Vaught is Betty Cracker’s real name.
Dave Wasserman
@Redistrict Dave Wasserman Retweeted Martin Wisckol
Prediction: at this rate, 2016 will be the first year since 1936 that Orange County, CA votes Dem for president.
……………………
Martin WisckolVerified account
@MartinWisckol
Democratic voter surge in OC — Dems credit Trump factor
@rikyrah: OC has been slowly drifting blue. The religious right and guns don’t play here. Immigration is a mixed bag, but at the very least they recognize it’s a losing position. The economics play here, but the crossover on trade is going to hurt the GOP if they accept the anti-trade position.
It’s interesting that Trump is winning the Deliverance wing of the GOP and not the business wing. Dems are making inroads with the business wing as evidenced by winning over college-educated whites.
28.
bluefish
@raven: As a brasileira always love to see Brasil spelled just like that. And glad no disastres so far. We have enough problems even though we are of course the yugest, bestest, biggest handed folks around. Kinda maybe. In Brasil, Donald would be called a “cara de bunda.”
Well, if you count the 5000 different nyms/noms for RtR, then we hit that no problem.
37.
Kay
Good editorial in Ohio on how conservatives should drop their efforts to suppress AA voters:
When a law is clearly deficient constitutionally, it shouldn’t be defended needlessly. Nor should picayune matters where there is almost zero chance of prevailing, such as the award of legal fees, be pursued to the ends of the possible legal terrain. Yet Republican officials in Ohio — motivated apparently by ideological considerations, rather than legal or practical ones — keep sticking taxpayers with legal fees racked up in voting-related lawsuits that the state should drop or settle.
This was underscored in a Monday ruling by the Cincinnati-based 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upholding a lower court’s order to Ohio to pay legal fees topping $2 million. (The appellate court said the lawyers’ bill should be recalculated, but it’s expected to clock in at about $2.5 million, since, as long as the appeals go on, the legal fees will continue to climb.)
They lose these all the time. They lose them because federal courts (now) see thru these voter suppression efforts and because 99.9% of the voter fraud claims are complete and utter bullshit.
This is pretty simple- stop trying to deny AA’s the ballot. The decade-long “voter fraud” scam no longer flies.
Scottie Nell Hughes interrupted to argued that a recent Georgia poll [by the Atlanta Journal Constitution] showing Clinton ahead had surveyed more Democrats than Republicans.
“So when you look at that number, of course the percentage is going to be more skewed in Hillary Clinton’s favor,” she said. “They also weighted the poll differently in August, where they put more weight on the African-American vote, the female vote and the youth vote. Three areas that Hillary Clinton does well on.”
“That’s why when people see these polls, it’s more important that they go and they get their own research, they pull the numbers themselves,” she added.
“Is it dangerous to tell fans to not believe the polls?” Stelter wondered.
“I didn’t say don’t believe it,” Hughes replied. “I said, do your research.”
Where is the unskewing guy when you need him?
How long before he comes back, or a new person pops up to show us how great Trumps doing?
41.
? Martin
@?BillinGlendaleCA: But it’s interesting that you’d expect a candidate like Trump (knowing nothing else about him) to campaign more like Romney and less like Duke. And it just goes to highlight what a difficult coalition the GOP has had, and what a beneficial transition it is for the Dems to pull in college-educated whites, even if it winds up losing them working class whites. It’s forcing the GOP into a voter base that is fully in decline, on issues that are increasingly unpopular not just here but globally.
OC has been slowly drifting blue. The religious right and guns don’t play here. Immigration is a mixed bag, but at the very least they recognize it’s a losing position. The economics play here, but the crossover on trade is going to hurt the GOP if they accept the anti-trade position.
A friend’s boyfriend who was raised in OC was talking about that a month or two ago and saying that, yeah, everybody he knew there was going to vote for Trump – even the nonwhites (which includes him and his family). He’s not really politically engaged and not a Trump supporter himself, but the county as a whole felt that way to him. If he’s wrong, I’m delighted.
43.
Kansi
Now can we get that letter down to 140 characters, for the sake of authenticity?
“So when you look at that number, of course the percentage is going to be more skewed in Hillary Clinton’s favor,” she said. “They also weighted the poll differently in August, where they put more weight on the African-American vote, the female vote and the youth vote. Three areas that Hillary Clinton does well on.”
And that’s what I would expect to see in all of the polls as those are the most likely turnout gains from 2012. When you are building your sample, you typically would start with turnout rates for various demographics from the last election. Two things then change – the change in the demographic groups (more latinos, fewer whites) and the change in turnout. When you attack a demographic group, the typical result is they turn out in higher rates because they become more invested in the election.
45.
dmsilev
@hovercraft: LongRoom.com, for all your ‘Trump is really in the lead’ unskewed polling needs.
And maybe, just maybe, voter registrations are happening in GA which tilt the proportion of voters from more Republican to more Democratic? Maybe? With Trump out there leading the Republican party over the cliff!
Maybe so… that would need a shift in polling filters right there, as would knowledge that Trump is scaring the crap out of many hard-line Republicans who are themselves aware of the nuclear triad (as Trump is not) and the dangers of the South Pacific, and the Balkans, and the ‘stans.
Those far-off trouble spots, which have been violent trouble spots for centuries, have started world-wide wars over and over again, for centuries. WW I was by no means the first war that involved every nation close enough to participate, over decades. More rapid communications and transport have made wider conflict possible, as the world aware of other nations expanded.
But a war that involved every nation aware of the conflict is still a world war. Gengis Khan, Timur e Leng, The War of the Roses, The Hundred Year War, Atilla and the Huns at the gates of Rome, Rome and Carthage, Greece and Troy, Egypt and the Babylonians. Lots of these wars started in the ‘stans. Some started in the Balkans. Some started in Paris, or Vienna, or Budapest.
The world is made of flammable tinder, and any spark can start a conflagration. Trump is a sparkler, shedding sparks wherever he goes.
When I was a kid, newspaper editors who wrote about Afganistan were accused of paying attention to stuff around the world from home, stuff that didn’t matter at all to the home bodies reading the paper. It was called Afganistanism, ignoring local issues and filling the page with irrelevant stuff.
Now it’s a world hot spot.
47.
? Martin
@Chris: I’ve never seen a Trump sticker on a car here and I live next to and work on the edge of the heart of the OC conservative base. I’m sure there are plenty of Trump voters here, but they’ve been very quiet.
48.
Lizzy L
@? Martin: I live in the SF Bay Area: in a working class neighborhood in the East Bay. I’ve seen one Trump sticker and one Hillary sticker. I’ve seen lots of Bernie stickers. I have a 2012 Obama sticker on my car. At some point between now and the end of September I’ll get a Hillary sticker. The only yard sign I’ve seen locally is for a state Senate race: my neighbor is supporting the Republican candidate. Good luck with that.
LongRoom.com, for all your ‘Trump is really in the lead’ unskewed polling needs.
Wow.
Opioid addiction gets a lot of airplay these days, but those morons apparently eschew that stuff in favor of hallucinogens.
ETA: Interesting that none of the LongRoom “brain” trust has experience in anything other than the ‘Net and social media. No statisticians, no political analysts. Way to unskew!
The curves on the LongRoom graphs don’t make any sense to me at all. And I took (way too much) statistics back in college, along with calc. Their curves go the opposite direction of the polls they are supposedly “unskewing”. That’s not how it works.
This is a bunch of pig ignorant Republicans with a buddy who knows how to put up a blog, going to town with MicroSoft Office tools, doing Excel graphs with no data behind them. Click where you want a data point.
They’ve got me so scared!
ETA: for example, they are convinced for whatever reason the CNN election numbers are biased towards Clinton by 7.1 points. But their “unskewed” graph doesn’t show a consistent applied change of 7 points at all!
ERA2: They’re just DUH!?!
51.
AnotherBruce
@phoebes from highland park: There are at least 99 Juice Balloons. You’re welcome, I’ll see myself out now.
Can I ask if he’s Vietnamese-American? That’s one Asian-American voting group that is still staying strongly Republican, though it’s changing a bit among the younger voters. Obama changed that a little in that you had some of those voters choosing Obama at the top of the ticket and then going Republican the rest of the ballot.
55.
catclub
@? Martin: I just the Bob Lefsetz post at Ritholtz’ Big Picture. Lefsetz probably knows a lot about the music business,
but I will bookmark it and come back on Nov 9 and say that this person is a complete idiot.
e.g. :
1. Off the cuff, not scripted.
This is what is endearing people to Donald Trump. He seems human.
There is more that sounds like he hates Hillary because… reasons.
56.
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
Well we have a winner here, we need to alert the media, Trump is winning bigly !!!!
57.
sigaba
@J R in WV: I read their methodology page, because it’s my day off and I’m generally annoyed. The “bias” gauge seems to be a post-hoc value that changes up or down based on what a particular poll’s latest top line is, compared to what it “should be” if all those liberal statisticians weren’t cooking the books.
They determine the “should-be” number by taking the raw responses from a poll and re-weighting them based on the registered voter demographics for a state. Basically the “likely voter” is a liberal conspiracy, and using a voters responses to other questions about ideology or support to force a “don’t know” respondent into a candidate is a liberal conspiracy.
@Chris: An Indian grad student of mine is also pro-Trump. He’s a nice guy. I don’t understand it.
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Ultraviolet Thunder
This week I spent a day taking customer tech support calls. Mostly from auto parts factories. Had a guy call in from Arkansas. Insisted that we not transfer him to a Mexican Service Engineer for his problem. Wanted only an American. Went on a long rant about Trump’s wall, immigrants stealing our jobs, etc, you know the routine. Ten minutes of racist blather. Ended up he needed a service visit that was going to cost somewhere between $5k and $7K. The only Engineer available was our colleague Jorge from Puebla, MX.
Sorry pal, not sorry.
for example, they are convinced for whatever reason the CNN election numbers are biased towards Clinton by 7.1 points.
It was 7.1 percent on that particular day, right? (From memory, I refuse to go there again.) Which says to me that they are picking the “bias” percentage to come out to whatever they want at any given time.
I wonder if class prejudice helps any. In a lot of developing or recently developed countries, it’s really bad (as in, the Koch brothers would be the norm rather than the epitome of the 1%ers’ nastier tendencies). Immigrants from those societies who have wealthier and more educated backgrounds seem to make up a lot of the diehards who stick with the GOP even as their demographics overall lean more and more Democrat.
Saw this among Latin immigrants in Miami a lot. I don’t know enough about either India or the Indian-American community to say for sure, but I imagine the same thing could be at work there.
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Shalimar
@dmsilev: Fox has a 3.7 point bias in favor of Democrats. That is some serious skewing. :P
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Ydobon
@Chris: Perhaps it’s the anti-Muslim aspect that appeals to these groups of Indian immigrants. Cue in Pastor Niemöller for these clueless ones.
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No One You Know
@sigaba: So, they’re assuming that self-selected respondents are a representative sample of the population?
How true is this really? We lost a substantial number of them, but it was myimpression that white working class people were still more likely to vote Dem, not less, than their wealthier peers. Especially outside the South.
68.
dww44
@? Martin: I know this is a dead thread, but if I were a Trump supporter/voters, I’d keep quiet too. While their partisan leanings will make them support a totally dangerous candidate, they’re not so dumb that they want to admit to it. I fear there will be a lot of voters like this. I know a few and i don’t see them changing their minds by November. They will vote and odds are that they will vote for Trump.
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JPL
What an amusing letter!
How’s the pup?
germy shoemangler
Terry Vaught should be a balloon-juicer.
Pogonip
Awaiting the DDPR!
bluefish
Well, now … This just made my day. Here’s to hoping it goes viral. And not just any viral but the greatest, bestest, most awesome viral the world has ever known. Believe me, minions.
Major Major Major Major
@germy shoemangler: Terry Vaught might be a Balloon-Juicer. Almost top 10,000 and all.
Amir Khalid
Trump should give this Terry Vaught guy a job writing speeches. He’s got the style down cold.
As for the daily Walter report, people have been asking for today’s poop picture. I’m not so keen to see it myself, but you don’t want to let the fans down.
Patricia Kayden
Vaugt’s letter is perfect but it’s missing the words “huuuge” and “Believe me!” Otherwise, it’s right on the nose. Trump may have to hire this man for his flailing campaign.
redshirt
I’d say the same about my posts here. Just huge, classy, and the best.
Edit: Believe me!
Pogonip
@Amir Khalid: I’ll settle for a sitrep. Dog poop pictures are a treat that should be reserved for special occasions. Cole shouldn’t post them too extravagantly.
So here we are, technical grownups, thousands of miles apart, able to converse in a way previous generations could not have dreamed, and what do we talk about? Dog poop!
Redshift
Excellent. I also enjoyed “Stopping by the Woods on a Snowy Evening, by Donald J. Trump.”
raven
@Pogonip: We had a big blowup about dog shit on our neighborhood listserv!
J.
That is awesome! (Or should I say “yuge!”?)
The Ancient Randonnuer
Easily the best Letter to the Editor since the Arkansas attorney wrote a sarcastic, and tongue firmly planted in cheek, letter to decry Daylight Saving Time:
Xantar
Serious question: do we know Terry Vaught’s gender?
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: It’s the Tampa Bay Times. Maybe Terry Vaught is Betty Cracker’s real name.
phoebes from highland park
@Major Major Major Major: Are there really 10,000 Balloon Juicers?
Amir Khalid
@Pogonip:
We should be talking about high-definition 3D video of dog poop, with Smell-O-Vision.
patroclus
This reminds me of Kazakhstan’s National Anthem in Borat.
redshirt
@Baud: Wait, we’re not using real names here?!
Citizen_X
I guarantee that, if Trump read this letter, he would say, completely without irony, “What a loser. My letters are way better.”
raven
Brasil making a run!
Mike J
@phoebes from highland park: Quantcast says ~40k monthly uniques.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Amir Khalid: I can do the hi-def 3D, I’m working on the Smell-O-Vision.
rikyrah
Dave Wasserman
@Redistrict Dave Wasserman Retweeted Martin Wisckol
Prediction: at this rate, 2016 will be the first year since 1936 that Orange County, CA votes Dem for president.
……………………
Martin WisckolVerified account
@MartinWisckol
Democratic voter surge in OC — Dems credit Trump factor
Richard Mayhew
@phoebes from highland park: yep, 30,000 or so daily uniques so total community is 50,000 to 100,000
raven
Brasil play dumb hoop!
? Martin
@rikyrah: OC has been slowly drifting blue. The religious right and guns don’t play here. Immigration is a mixed bag, but at the very least they recognize it’s a losing position. The economics play here, but the crossover on trade is going to hurt the GOP if they accept the anti-trade position.
It’s interesting that Trump is winning the Deliverance wing of the GOP and not the business wing. Dems are making inroads with the business wing as evidenced by winning over college-educated whites.
bluefish
@raven: As a brasileira always love to see Brasil spelled just like that. And glad no disastres so far. We have enough problems even though we are of course the yugest, bestest, biggest handed folks around. Kinda maybe. In Brasil, Donald would be called a “cara de bunda.”
PaulWartenberg2016
@germy shoemangler:
@BettyCracker, can you induct Terry for us?
raven
@bluefish: I just wish they had played better the last 3 minutes after coming from 30 down!
phoebes from highland park
@Richard Mayhew: Wow! Only a relative few actually post, though.
rikyrah
Jesse RodriguezVerified account
@JesseRodriguez
Trump’s economic advisers are also his biggest donors
Felonius Monk
Buhleave me, this is bigly.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@? Martin:
I’m not sure why that would be surprising. The business wing of the party likes immigration and trade.
Achrachno
@phoebes from highland park: Sorry. I’ll try to do better.
SFAW
@phoebes from highland park:
Well, if you count the 5000 different nyms/noms for RtR, then we hit that no problem.
Kay
Good editorial in Ohio on how conservatives should drop their efforts to suppress AA voters:
They lose these all the time. They lose them because federal courts (now) see thru these voter suppression efforts and because 99.9% of the voter fraud claims are complete and utter bullshit.
This is pretty simple- stop trying to deny AA’s the ballot. The decade-long “voter fraud” scam no longer flies.
Mike E
@Pogonip: So sez anagram of ‘pooping’
rikyrah
(((criteria68)))
@suzanne_butzin
Obama To Republicans: I Didn’t Create Trump, Your Bigotry Towards Me Did –
hovercraft
The polls are rigged.
From CNN via C & L Video at the link.
Where is the unskewing guy when you need him?
How long before he comes back, or a new person pops up to show us how great Trumps doing?
? Martin
@?BillinGlendaleCA: But it’s interesting that you’d expect a candidate like Trump (knowing nothing else about him) to campaign more like Romney and less like Duke. And it just goes to highlight what a difficult coalition the GOP has had, and what a beneficial transition it is for the Dems to pull in college-educated whites, even if it winds up losing them working class whites. It’s forcing the GOP into a voter base that is fully in decline, on issues that are increasingly unpopular not just here but globally.
Chris
@? Martin:
A friend’s boyfriend who was raised in OC was talking about that a month or two ago and saying that, yeah, everybody he knew there was going to vote for Trump – even the nonwhites (which includes him and his family). He’s not really politically engaged and not a Trump supporter himself, but the county as a whole felt that way to him. If he’s wrong, I’m delighted.
Kansi
Now can we get that letter down to 140 characters, for the sake of authenticity?
? Martin
@hovercraft:
And that’s what I would expect to see in all of the polls as those are the most likely turnout gains from 2012. When you are building your sample, you typically would start with turnout rates for various demographics from the last election. Two things then change – the change in the demographic groups (more latinos, fewer whites) and the change in turnout. When you attack a demographic group, the typical result is they turn out in higher rates because they become more invested in the election.
dmsilev
@hovercraft: LongRoom.com, for all your ‘Trump is really in the lead’ unskewed polling needs.
J R in WV
@hovercraft:
And maybe, just maybe, voter registrations are happening in GA which tilt the proportion of voters from more Republican to more Democratic? Maybe? With Trump out there leading the Republican party over the cliff!
Maybe so… that would need a shift in polling filters right there, as would knowledge that Trump is scaring the crap out of many hard-line Republicans who are themselves aware of the nuclear triad (as Trump is not) and the dangers of the South Pacific, and the Balkans, and the ‘stans.
Those far-off trouble spots, which have been violent trouble spots for centuries, have started world-wide wars over and over again, for centuries. WW I was by no means the first war that involved every nation close enough to participate, over decades. More rapid communications and transport have made wider conflict possible, as the world aware of other nations expanded.
But a war that involved every nation aware of the conflict is still a world war. Gengis Khan, Timur e Leng, The War of the Roses, The Hundred Year War, Atilla and the Huns at the gates of Rome, Rome and Carthage, Greece and Troy, Egypt and the Babylonians. Lots of these wars started in the ‘stans. Some started in the Balkans. Some started in Paris, or Vienna, or Budapest.
The world is made of flammable tinder, and any spark can start a conflagration. Trump is a sparkler, shedding sparks wherever he goes.
When I was a kid, newspaper editors who wrote about Afganistan were accused of paying attention to stuff around the world from home, stuff that didn’t matter at all to the home bodies reading the paper. It was called Afganistanism, ignoring local issues and filling the page with irrelevant stuff.
Now it’s a world hot spot.
? Martin
@Chris: I’ve never seen a Trump sticker on a car here and I live next to and work on the edge of the heart of the OC conservative base. I’m sure there are plenty of Trump voters here, but they’ve been very quiet.
Lizzy L
@? Martin: I live in the SF Bay Area: in a working class neighborhood in the East Bay. I’ve seen one Trump sticker and one Hillary sticker. I’ve seen lots of Bernie stickers. I have a 2012 Obama sticker on my car. At some point between now and the end of September I’ll get a Hillary sticker. The only yard sign I’ve seen locally is for a state Senate race: my neighbor is supporting the Republican candidate. Good luck with that.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
Wow.
Opioid addiction gets a lot of airplay these days, but those morons apparently eschew that stuff in favor of hallucinogens.
ETA: Interesting that none of the LongRoom “brain” trust has experience in anything other than the ‘Net and social media. No statisticians, no political analysts. Way to unskew!
J R in WV
@dmsilev:
The curves on the LongRoom graphs don’t make any sense to me at all. And I took (way too much) statistics back in college, along with calc. Their curves go the opposite direction of the polls they are supposedly “unskewing”. That’s not how it works.
This is a bunch of pig ignorant Republicans with a buddy who knows how to put up a blog, going to town with MicroSoft Office tools, doing Excel graphs with no data behind them. Click where you want a data point.
They’ve got me so scared!
ETA: for example, they are convinced for whatever reason the CNN election numbers are biased towards Clinton by 7.1 points. But their “unskewed” graph doesn’t show a consistent applied change of 7 points at all!
ERA2: They’re just DUH!?!
AnotherBruce
@phoebes from highland park: There are at least 99 Juice Balloons. You’re welcome, I’ll see myself out now.
Iowa Old Lady
@J R in WV: You’re going to hurt yourself if you keep trying to make sense of that.
Miss Bianca
@Richard Mayhew: Great gasbags! That’s a big crowd!
Mnemosyne
@Chris:
Can I ask if he’s Vietnamese-American? That’s one Asian-American voting group that is still staying strongly Republican, though it’s changing a bit among the younger voters. Obama changed that a little in that you had some of those voters choosing Obama at the top of the ticket and then going Republican the rest of the ballot.
catclub
@? Martin: I just the Bob Lefsetz post at Ritholtz’ Big Picture. Lefsetz probably knows a lot about the music business,
but I will bookmark it and come back on Nov 9 and say that this person is a complete idiot.
e.g. :
There is more that sounds like he hates Hillary because… reasons.
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
Well we have a winner here, we need to alert the media, Trump is winning bigly !!!!
sigaba
@J R in WV: I read their methodology page, because it’s my day off and I’m generally annoyed. The “bias” gauge seems to be a post-hoc value that changes up or down based on what a particular poll’s latest top line is, compared to what it “should be” if all those liberal statisticians weren’t cooking the books.
They determine the “should-be” number by taking the raw responses from a poll and re-weighting them based on the registered voter demographics for a state. Basically the “likely voter” is a liberal conspiracy, and using a voters responses to other questions about ideology or support to force a “don’t know” respondent into a candidate is a liberal conspiracy.
Chris
@Mnemosyne:
No. Indian.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@J R in WV:
LongRoom stats must be right. They have TWO flags AND an eagle at the top of the page.
That’s enough for me.
As for the bumper stickers and yard signs, there are few here around Detroit. Few pertaining to any races yet. But it’s early August.
Iowa Old Lady
@Chris: An Indian grad student of mine is also pro-Trump. He’s a nice guy. I don’t understand it.
Ultraviolet Thunder
This week I spent a day taking customer tech support calls. Mostly from auto parts factories. Had a guy call in from Arkansas. Insisted that we not transfer him to a Mexican Service Engineer for his problem. Wanted only an American. Went on a long rant about Trump’s wall, immigrants stealing our jobs, etc, you know the routine. Ten minutes of racist blather. Ended up he needed a service visit that was going to cost somewhere between $5k and $7K. The only Engineer available was our colleague Jorge from Puebla, MX.
Sorry pal, not sorry.
SFAW
@J R in WV:
It was 7.1 percent on that particular day, right? (From memory, I refuse to go there again.) Which says to me that they are picking the “bias” percentage to come out to whatever they want at any given time.
Chris
@Iowa Old Lady:
I wonder if class prejudice helps any. In a lot of developing or recently developed countries, it’s really bad (as in, the Koch brothers would be the norm rather than the epitome of the 1%ers’ nastier tendencies). Immigrants from those societies who have wealthier and more educated backgrounds seem to make up a lot of the diehards who stick with the GOP even as their demographics overall lean more and more Democrat.
Saw this among Latin immigrants in Miami a lot. I don’t know enough about either India or the Indian-American community to say for sure, but I imagine the same thing could be at work there.
Shalimar
@dmsilev: Fox has a 3.7 point bias in favor of Democrats. That is some serious skewing. :P
Ydobon
@Chris: Perhaps it’s the anti-Muslim aspect that appeals to these groups of Indian immigrants. Cue in Pastor Niemöller for these clueless ones.
No One You Know
@sigaba: So, they’re assuming that self-selected respondents are a representative sample of the population?
How…quaint, if true.
Chris
@efgoldman:
How true is this really? We lost a substantial number of them, but it was myimpression that white working class people were still more likely to vote Dem, not less, than their wealthier peers. Especially outside the South.
dww44
@? Martin: I know this is a dead thread, but if I were a Trump supporter/voters, I’d keep quiet too. While their partisan leanings will make them support a totally dangerous candidate, they’re not so dumb that they want to admit to it. I fear there will be a lot of voters like this. I know a few and i don’t see them changing their minds by November. They will vote and odds are that they will vote for Trump.