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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Come on, man.

The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.

Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?

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“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

I really should read my own blog.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

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Sunday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  August 7, 20165:50 am| 124 Comments

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Not exactly a garden — unless one wanted to believe this is the kind of landsape into which the fallen Adam & Eve were exiled — but pretty impressive. Images via commentor Prescott Cactus.

Speaking of valued commentors, Schrodinger’s Cat has had me falling down YouTube trails of Sufi-inspired subcontinental popular music. It’s very soothing…

Apart from watching the Olympics, what’s on the agenda for the day?

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    August 7, 2016 at 5:58 am

    Good Morning ?, Everyone ?

  2. 2.

    JPL

    August 7, 2016 at 6:02 am

    @rikyrah: Good Morning!

  3. 3.

    Keith G

    August 7, 2016 at 6:04 am

    The top picture reminds me of the various cliff dwelling sites one can see on a tour of the Four Corners region and down to Flagstaff. If you haven’t taken the time to visit that part of our chunk of rock, do so. It is quite amazing and even spiritual, particularly if you are there early in the morning is the quiet before other folks arrive.

  4. 4.

    Punchy

    August 7, 2016 at 6:08 am

    Gotta tri-race in 2 hours. Hopefully this course is flat and water warm. Why do I sign up for these things?

  5. 5.

    Marc in AZ

    August 7, 2016 at 6:25 am

    Meeting folk,for breakfast, then chores. May start a book from the pile to read later.

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    raven

    August 7, 2016 at 6:30 am

    @Punchy: Where the hell are you that the water might not be warm? Is this the Naperville run?

  7. 7.

    NotMax

    August 7, 2016 at 6:39 am

    Contemplating a lie down, but the prospect of sleep is 50/50.

  8. 8.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 7, 2016 at 6:40 am

    If I ever get a computer that works properly Anne, I’ll be able to send you pics again. Meanwhile, this will work :-)

  9. 9.

    Eric S.

    August 7, 2016 at 6:42 am

    @Punchy: swim / bike / run fast.

    We do these things because it’s an addiction
    In this case a mostly healthy one.

  10. 10.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    August 7, 2016 at 6:47 am

    @Keith G: The Painted Desert Area is stunningly beautiful. There are so many areas there which I call “postcard pictures” for obvious reasons(umm,obvious to people who used to send postcards on vacation,not Instagrams!)

  11. 11.

    NotMax

    August 7, 2016 at 6:47 am

    Krugman to Clinton: Don’t veer off course, don’t pivot.

    Also, can’t help but notice a curious pattern in the recommendations of some self-proclaimed centrists. When Republicans were in the ascendant, centrists urged Democrats to adapt by moving right. Now that Republicans are in trouble, with some feeling that they have no choice except to vote Democratic, these same centrists are urging Democrats to … adapt by moving right. Funny how that works. Source

  12. 12.

    Arclite

    August 7, 2016 at 6:58 am

    Just getting to sleep. I’m chaperoning for my daughter’s swim team campout. It’s 1AM. Gnight all.

  13. 13.

    Keith G

    August 7, 2016 at 6:59 am

    @NotMax: I would like to see HRC not only disdain a “pivot”, but I would love to see her begin to double down on left-leaning policy. People are beginning to realize what they need to vote against. It’s time to show more of the electorate what there are voting for.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 7, 2016 at 7:01 am

    @Mai.naem.mobile: The best thing about the Painted Desert (for me anyway) was when I asked about permits for hiking and camping was “Permits? You don’t need no stinking permits!” Didn’t have time to camp out there, but we did take a day and just hike as far out into the desert as my son’s little legs would take them. And petrified wood is everywhere, you can’t pick any up in the Nat Park of course, but take a drive down any gravel road outside park boundaries, they are graded with petrified wood…. and pottery shards.

  15. 15.

    p.a.

    August 7, 2016 at 7:03 am

    am: Bakery, gym, ??? Late afternoon concert possibly, or visit cousin’s beach house.

  16. 16.

    Baud

    August 7, 2016 at 7:04 am

    @NotMax:

    Funny how that works.

    Meh. Centrists want a party that reflects their beliefs, just like everyone else. The only problem is they have outsized influence compared to their numbers.

  17. 17.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 7:19 am

    Good morning everyone! Beautiful country out your way, Prescott Cactus!

    Boomerang dog Bubba is doing very well and I see no signs of any aggressive behavior at all. I did the food aggression tests on him last night, with no problems about protecting his food. He is extremely timid (and frightened dogs can nip), but he’s been perfectly behaved so far.

  18. 18.

    gogol's wife

    August 7, 2016 at 7:22 am

    I don’t watch TV unless Robert Osborne (sadly AWOL these days) or Alan Cumming is involved, so I don’t know — do they ever talk about the actual, you know, policies of the two people running for president? I do read the NYTimes, and even there one is hard-pressed to find anything on that subject.

  19. 19.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    August 7, 2016 at 7:28 am

    Lovely photos. I haven’t been there for years but must go back.

    Gotta go walkies in a bit with Lady Thunder and Doglius. Then yanking weeds and general yard work. The weather in Detroit is tolerable this week.

  20. 20.

    TheMightyTrowel

    August 7, 2016 at 7:30 am

    Been doing work on the house all weekend now I’m cuddled up on the sofa in front of a roaring fire with Mr Trowel, one of the cats and a large glass of homebrew stout. Life=perfect

    Happy sun night from down under :-)

  21. 21.

    SectionH

    August 7, 2016 at 7:32 am

    @Keith G: I’ve been there, worried about cattle guards because cattle on both sides east of Farmington, so careful going. Saw the first and best triple rainbow ever somewhere north of Taos. My Mom went to Highlands University in Las Vegas.

    We used to get off I-40 west of Albuquerque so we could take the road through the Malpais, to Quemodo, and the across the Rim.

    For fun. I love NM so hard.

    edited for spelling

  22. 22.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 7:41 am

    Every Sunday morning we have a gathering of “Boners” ? for breakfast at a biker bar (Crossbones Bar and Grill) just outside of the neighborhood. None of us are bikers (unless you include bicycles). The bikers think it’s great. They treat us fantastic. 5 buck full breakfast, 2 buck Bloody Marys. One of the gals in the group brings all the fixings to jazz up those Bloodys..pickled okra, fancy olives stuffed with anchovies, fancy pickles, etc. If we are outside, occasionally I book a band for us and we all chip in. Owner doesn’t care. He and our waitress are thrilled for the business. I started calling it “Sunday Morning Coming Down Breakfast Gathering” about a year ago. We’ll have 12-14 today but sometimes we there will be 30. Fun times, but sometimes just kills the day if you get there at 10 and don’t leave until 1. Have a great day everybody. I sure am enjoying this election season with you!

  23. 23.

    SectionH

    August 7, 2016 at 7:41 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: Awww. I probably haven’t said Hello to you, but familiar with academia, and Oz, a bit. I’ve driven from Cann River to Canberra, for instance – is it paved now?

  24. 24.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 7:45 am

    @SectionH:
    Las Vegas, NM is a great little town. Love it! Check out Il Fidel Restaurant if you are there. Hidden gem that I would put against almost any restaurant in SF. Major renovations on the old Harvey Hotel by the railroad tracks. I think it will be open next year. The college campus is sweet, too.

  25. 25.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 7:50 am

    @gogol’s wife: I haven’t seen any evidence that they do.
    I had to unfollow my journalist friend on FB last night, because I got into a protracted argument with him and his other buddies about the proposed plan to upgrade the park district golf course near the site for the Obama library. All the white suburbanites were feeling about what a terrible choice, what horrible priorities, how bad the optics will be of “poor black kids cladding for white golfers”;all in obvious and complete ignorance of the fact that the golf course is used by golfers of all races, and that there’s also large middle and upper-middle class African American communities on the South Side nearby. I’m constantly outraged that those fuckers just assume that 1. They think they need to prescribe solutions to a community they don’t belong to, and 2. the South side isn’t a huge ghetto just waiting for well meaning white people to come save it. And I was the big asshole for pointing out the racist and classist assumptions they were making; as if Tiger Woods was the only black person to play golf, ever. UGH

  26. 26.

    Elmo

    August 7, 2016 at 7:52 am

    Yesterday we hit two farmers markets and the famous Maine Avenue Fish Market in Southwest DC. Fellow DMV peeps, if you haven’t been there, you must go. Ignore the smell and focus on the fresh fish and amazing incredible prices.

    So today, which is supposed to at least be less humid, is all about cooking yesterday’s bounty. I got jumbo giant shrimp that look like they’re two or three to the pound, so they’re going on the grill. Fresh tomatillos and serranos are going to create salsa verde. Flounder and red snapper are going into ceviche with more serranos and jalapeños.

    Oh, and at some point I have to clean house and yank out some carpet, but I’m thinking about food right now instead.

  27. 27.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 7:54 am

    @Elmo: That sounds amazing. Now I’m thinking about food too. Yours ?

  28. 28.

    JMG

    August 7, 2016 at 7:56 am

    @satby: Franklin Park golf course in Boston is one of the most used public courses in the state, and it has a majority-minority member and customer base.

  29. 29.

    Pogonip

    August 7, 2016 at 7:58 am

    @Elmo: Here we’re looking at another dry week in the low 90’s with humidity to match. Farmers are already making crop insurance claims.

    Today’s plan: shop, clean, check Balloon Juice for poopdates on Walter, try to figure out why the genetic investment has gone an inexplicable Rocky binge.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    August 7, 2016 at 7:58 am

    @satby: He should watch Blazing Saddles so he can get used to the idea of black sheriffs.

  31. 31.

    SectionH

    August 7, 2016 at 8:07 am

    @Quinerly: Las Vegas NM FTW! I’ll admit that when we were first there – 1984 – it looked pretty sad. My mother went to Highlands in 1939, I think. She totally loved it, but also remembered going to Santa Fe on dirt roads. And to confirm her, check out Bill Mauldin’s – the great political cartoonist – book about his early years in NM.

    Then the war happened, and she went home. And then left home.

    I drove through Las Vegas again in 2008 – a happier place. Little bit.

  32. 32.

    debit

    August 7, 2016 at 8:07 am

    Good morning everyone. Today’s plan is to continue unpacking and possibly do some yard work if I still have the energy. I swear to pasta that I’m never moving again.

    @satby: Well that’s both good news and also kind of sad. I’d bet the guy he nipped had been abusive to him. What a shitstain.

  33. 33.

    TheMightyTrowel

    August 7, 2016 at 8:09 am

    @SectionH: the big roads are paved but lots of the small ones still aren’t. It was one of my big culture shocks upon moving here just how few paved roads there were once you get away from the major cities

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    OzarkHillbilly

    August 7, 2016 at 8:17 am

    @debit: I would bet he just startled him. I’ve had very sweet yet timid dogs nip at me if I did something they weren’t expecting (like cross my legs while they were sleeping beneath them) It happens, and if one has little ones it is a trait to be avoided.

  35. 35.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 8:19 am

    @SectionH:
    I have been making a yearly trip from St. Louis to NM since 2011. First visit to the original Las Vegas was 2011. Stop there on every trip now, either when driving to and from or take a day trip. A lot of improvements in just that short period of time. Big influx of retirees who can’t afford SF. The guy who owns the old Harvey Hotel in Winslow, AZ is sinking a fortune into the town. There’s an arts district on that main drag and retirees have been rehabbing a lot of those old Victorians. Several new restaurants. That’s fascinating that your mother was there in the 1930’s/1940’s.

  36. 36.

    Immanentize

    August 7, 2016 at 8:22 am

    Morning All! The family just got back from hiking for 10 days in Montana. I could send Glacier and bear pictures but they are not as pretty as the ones above!

    My garden (in our absence) has grown weeds higher than some of the tomato plants so that is on the schedule. But first I need a trip to the office this morning for a couple of hours….

  37. 37.

    MattF

    August 7, 2016 at 8:23 am

    Farmers market, grocery shopping, pastries from the boulangerie, reading, try frying brown rice for dinner.

  38. 38.

    Immanentize

    August 7, 2016 at 8:26 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Feeling more of the world today, I hope?
    @satby: This makes me cra cra too — I live in a very established, old, largely middle class AA community and people from other parts of the city ask me about “the crack houses…” How old a trope is that?

  39. 39.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 8:27 am

    @debit: it was the guy’s five year old and then the guy’s mom, who I suspect kicked him because he bit her on the foot and she’s a drunk. The former owner is a good guy and loves the dog, and the dog obviously loved him. But I agree if the dog nipped at a five year old it doesn’t belong in the house. I’m going to be sure Bubba doesn’t have a health issue, and then I will look for a child free home for him. I think the dog just is a more timid type of dog and needs the calm and structure of an older adult household.
    Edited to add, Bubba behaved well with a younger teen visitors yesterday too. So it’s not all kids, just little ones.

  40. 40.

    SectionH

    August 7, 2016 at 8:30 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: Not too many Americans went through East Gippsland and over to Lakes Entrance and then on the Cann Highway back in the day. Lakes Entrance is one of the most beautiful harbors I’ve ever seen, anywhere

    But then I’d got some weird spider bite (no it didn’t kill me but I couldn’t walk for weeks, and I got sent to the ER when we finally got back to HNL.

    The Botanical Gardens in Canberra are incredible.

    etuntho

  41. 41.

    Immanentize

    August 7, 2016 at 8:31 am

    @satby: Cole might want another pet ? But I don’t know about structured or adult….

  42. 42.

    debit

    August 7, 2016 at 8:31 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: You’re right. I don’t know the full situation and shouldn’t make snap judgements. It’s just that suddenly after 5 years a dog who’s never bit before does it twice in two weeks? It just seems more than a case of being startled.

    @satby: Agreed, you wouldn’t want to put a kid at risk. They simply don’t know how rough they are sometimes. Not fair to the dog or the kid.

  43. 43.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    Feeling better today? You know how we worry.

  44. 44.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: that’s my thinking too. He’s a good boy, but a bit high strung. He was a severely malnourished puppy who should still have been nursing when he was found as a “stray” and relayed north to me a few weeks later, but being timid is the only sign of that trauma.

  45. 45.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 7, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @Immanentize: Still got a bit of a “hangover”. Very strange. Got a couple light meals in me yesterday, but sleep was hard in coming last night and broken when it did. Everything just feels a little off this morn.

  46. 46.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 8:36 am

    @Immanentize: I used to get (from white flighters) “you STILL live on the South Side?!? I thought there weren’t any whites left”. Sooo fucking racist.

  47. 47.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 8:40 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Hope that goes away soon and you’re feeling back to yourself. We do worry.

  48. 48.

    gogol's wife

    August 7, 2016 at 8:41 am

    Where’s Mnem? The NYTimes acrostic has a theme she’ll like.

  49. 49.

    gogol's wife

    August 7, 2016 at 8:42 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Feel better.

  50. 50.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 8:42 am

    @gogol’s wife: she’s on the west coast, so it’s 5:43am her time.

  51. 51.

    TheMightyTrowel

    August 7, 2016 at 8:43 am

    @SectionH: yikes! The spiders here are no laughing matter! Also I’ve yet to visit a boring botanical garden in Australia. My fave is probably Hobart.

  52. 52.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 7, 2016 at 8:43 am

    @debit: It’s hard to know.

    @satby: Some friends of mine adopted a stray that showed up on their back porch. Very sweet female mutt, but everytime I walked thru the door she would just go nuts. We could not figure it out. Thought at first it was my beard, but then she did the same with another friend without facial hair. After a few weeks we finally figured it out: Hats. If I came in w/o a hat she just loved all over me, but if I wore one (as is my habit) she would totally freak out.

    Who knows why.

  53. 53.

    Immanentize

    August 7, 2016 at 8:45 am

    @satby: In Miami, they were overt: “Last one out take the American flag” bumper stickers!! Where “one” meant white person. Still burns me up.

  54. 54.

    Immanentize

    August 7, 2016 at 8:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: well that sounds better (positive thinking here). I hope the good sleep comes tonight?!

  55. 55.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 8:50 am

    @Immanentize: It burned me up enough last night that I just GBCW his threads and told him why. The casual sexism (he’s one of the ones that just goes on about Clinton’s voice and her speech mannerisms) and racism (unconscious and in some of his friends overt) just pushed me right over the edge. And then I got a scolding for my intemperate behavior. Fuck them, I didn’t like any of them much in high school either.

  56. 56.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 7, 2016 at 8:50 am

    @satby: Over my years in STL I lived in a wide variety of neighborhoods. Some all white, some all (but for me) black, most of them mixed. Over the years I got more than a few “You live in a scary neighborhood.” (mostly I was just cheap, poor=scary in their eyes) The worst neighborhood I ever lived in was all white. Seemed like something was always happening there and all too often it ended up involving me whether I liked it or not.

  57. 57.

    Emma

    August 7, 2016 at 8:51 am

    Getting ready for my church-and-brunch with a former co-worker, now retired. She’s a lot of fun.
    Finding myself a little embarrased on re-reading some of my comments last night, especially the last one. I’m on a new nighttime regimen for my Tamoxifen induced insomnia and I hadn’t realized how loopy the combination of Advil PM and Melatonin made me. Oh well, it keeps one humble.

  58. 58.

    Immanentize

    August 7, 2016 at 8:52 am

    @satby:

    I didn’t like any of them much in high school either.

    Greatest (and perhaps most accurate) Facebook-related sentence ever.

  59. 59.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 7, 2016 at 8:54 am

    @NotMax: Secretary Clinton would probably hurt herself if she moved towards the right given how progressive many of her supporters want her to be. I don’t understand what moving to the right would get for her. She doesn’t need the racist White male vote, which will assuredly go to Trump. She’s getting most of the Bernie voters already. She’s doing fine while taking advantage of Trump’s slow motion implosion. And President Obama’s positive poll ratings of 54% will only help her.

  60. 60.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 8:55 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: We lived in mixed or changing neighborhoods for my entire childhood, but when my dad retired off the force we moved to a bucolic suburb that was a stretch for my parents, because my dad, the former homicide detective, just wanted quiet. That was the only house that ever was burglarized.
    People need to check their assumptions always. Because they’re often wrong, especially about other groups of people.

    Edited to add: for most of my life, when someone said bad neighborhood, I always knew they meant black or Latino. It the code.

  61. 61.

    OzarkHillbilly

    August 7, 2016 at 8:57 am

    @satby: It will.
    @gogol’s wife: I will.
    @Immanentize: We’ll see. Sleep is a sometime thing for me.

  62. 62.

    MattF

    August 7, 2016 at 8:57 am

    @Patricia Kayden: Moving to the right would make Chris Cillizza happy for four minutes and 37 seconds. Which is all that matters

  63. 63.

    Baud

    August 7, 2016 at 8:59 am

    @Patricia Kayden: It’s all about posturing. People are setting up a frame of reference from which they can try to criticize her whatever she does. The left does it too. Clinton’s been pretty steady in her positions. I don’t expect that to change absent some major external event.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    August 7, 2016 at 9:00 am

    @satby: I find the best way to avoid bias is to hate everyone equally.

  65. 65.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 9:01 am

    @Baud: She’s got this. She’s had it for 30 years. A lesser person would have folded long ago.

  66. 66.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 9:02 am

    @Baud: I’m totally heading in that direction, or at least I was last night ?

  67. 67.

    SFAW

    August 7, 2016 at 9:07 am

    @gogol’s wife:

    Where’s Mnem? The NYTimes acrostic has a theme she’ll like.

    Is that the one titled “Hamilton is overrated”?

    [Mnemosyne: kidding. One hopes you knew that.]

  68. 68.

    bystander

    August 7, 2016 at 9:08 am

    @gogol’s wife: Issues? Why would they discuss them?

    I can’t remember if it was Satby who linked Liberace Trump the other day, but I think we can all enjoy Donald Gay Trump.

  69. 69.

    debbie

    August 7, 2016 at 9:10 am

    @Baud:

    I have to agree with you on that!

  70. 70.

    SFAW

    August 7, 2016 at 9:10 am

    @Baud:

    But Deadbeat Donnie said that she’s “unhinged”! And a liar! And crooked. And unhinged. And a lying liar.

    Ergo: she MUST be, because Deadbeat Donnie’s a thousandaire, and why would such a “successful” businessman lie about something like that?

  71. 71.

    Kathleen

    August 7, 2016 at 9:13 am

    @Eric S.: I never had chance to ask you how your Flying Pig Half went (you may have reported it in a thread I didn’t read).

  72. 72.

    Eric U.

    August 7, 2016 at 9:16 am

    my daughter has been painting faster than I can do the drywall, which is a pain in the butt. I see why some employers like bipolar people working for them, but this shows the downside of persistent manic episodes.

  73. 73.

    SectionH

    August 7, 2016 at 9:18 am

    @TheMightyTrowel: Spider bite was in Melbourne*, and, yeah, it must have been a a youngster, or IDK. Bitey thing on top of toe one day (put antibiotic ointment on it, it got worse – more stuff bought @ Lakes Entrance) remission in Canberra, much worse in Sydney. Horriibleness on TPAC to HNL. ER in HNL. Shots. Callback from HNL hospital because South Pacific germs? Srsly. Did not lose leg or foot or toes, but no fun watching red creep up my leg on SYD-HNL flight. TY Science for antibiotics which work.

    *I’m American: I encourage spiders in their place, ok? That’s where I was coming from.

  74. 74.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 7, 2016 at 9:20 am

    @SFAW: And the crazy is only going to get worse. Victor Thorn killed himself a few days ago. The Clinton conspiracies are going asymptotic.

  75. 75.

    rikyrah

    August 7, 2016 at 9:21 am

    @Punchy:
    Good luck ?

  76. 76.

    Schlemazel

    August 7, 2016 at 9:22 am

    @SFAW:
    Speaking of “Hamilton”, The local Fringe Fest is in full swing here. Friday night we saw 3 plays, the best of the bunch was “Gilligan!” Yes, it was that tale of the first mate stranded on a desert island with his captain & the passengers who manages to save them despite the professor. It was set to the tunes from the hit Broadway musical.

  77. 77.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 7, 2016 at 9:24 am

    The TV people are horrified that Clinton said she “short circuited” when she gave some answer. That’s dangerous! It makes her unfit! Seriously? Does anyone but them take that expression as a sign of some sort of brain damage?

  78. 78.

    rikyrah

    August 7, 2016 at 9:29 am

    @satby:
    A lot of Black golfers use the Park District. It was where I first saw somebody Black golf when I was a kid. Not that there are many more options these days, but back in those days, Black golfers couldn’t even THINK about paying for spaces on suburban “public” courses. And, make no mistake, I was born AFTER the Civil Rights Movement. Black golfers in Chicago didn’t begin to venture out to the suburban courses until the 1990’s. The Chicago Park District was where they could play without harassment.

  79. 79.

    ThresherK

    August 7, 2016 at 9:29 am

    A few housekeeping tasks while Spousal ThresherK is still on her trip.

    Nothing snaps me out of vacation mode like coming home to a messy house. (And our housekeeping is no great shakes to start with, so “messy” is the typical state.)

  80. 80.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    August 7, 2016 at 9:30 am

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Wrong. There is no limit to Clinton Conspiracy Theories.

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    Keith P.

    August 7, 2016 at 9:30 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Redstate posted a vid with her being taken aback at a question (in an exaggerated way) and then played it backwards and forwards while suggesting she was having a seizure. This was yesterday, by the way.

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    scav

    August 7, 2016 at 9:37 am

    @Keith P.: So, the clip of the journalist-mocking by Drump is really getting under their skin.

  83. 83.

    laura

    August 7, 2016 at 9:40 am

    Restless night after a hectic day preparing for my mom’s services. The brothers flew in and along with dad, we had a viewing then dinner. She looked beautiful and my reluctance was for naught.
    Today is farmer’s market, sheet mulch the new bed, meet with the caterer, pick up photos for slide show, and some time in the hammock after climbing laundry mountain.
    Book a hotel for Tuesday’s Guns n Roses show (the brothers are roadies) and get tix for SF MOMA, pack for Thursday’s trip to Ice House for the meteor shower.
    It’s going to be a busy, busy week.
    Still have not had the anvil of grief crash on my heart but have spoken with hospice and scheduling grief counseling to commence after services when I’m left with little more tangible tasks to do.

    The drive yesterday between Sacramento and Santa Rosa was beautiful -fields of just sprouting rice, then sunflowers, then vineyards and on the return, we saw all the bats fly out from under the railroad trestles across the causeway.

  84. 84.

    one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer

    August 7, 2016 at 9:40 am

    @SectionH:

    Couple of years ago, I got nailed by a tropical spider in Belize. In the morning, it was a normal welt. We went diving (took a 2 hour, beat ass boat ride to the sites) and by the time I came up for a surface interval, it was throbbing, as big as my fist, angry red and the center was brown and oozing. Took the second dive.

    When we returned, we had the hotel get me a doc. He drove 40 minutes to get there at 5:30 in the afternoon, and proceeded to berate the shit out of me for taking the second dive. As he put it, below 60 feet of depth, the pressure would exacerbate the swelling and presented a very real riDJ of a catastrophic stroke. He said “I know you don’t care about your safety or health, but how nice would it be for your fellow divers to deal with you having a stroke at 60 feet? And then ride back with your body?”

    He brought ointment, pills and bandages, charging the grand total of $80.00.

  85. 85.

    ThresherK

    August 7, 2016 at 9:41 am

    @Keith P.: Sounds like that (altered) film clip of you-know-who doing a “jig”.

    Hey, I wonder what James O’Keefe is up to?

  86. 86.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 9:42 am

    @Keith P.:
    Several RWNJ sites have picked up that seizure meme. One was trying to make a big deal about her Secret Service rushing the stage at one event and “talking her through her deer in the headlights look.” There were some PETA protesters and I still don’t know what exactly happened to startle her. The writer of the piece is convinced that the SS guy that came up to her was too burly to be a real SS guy…said he just had to be some sort of traveling personal doctor with her. Karl Rove has been trying since that fall she took before the Benghazi hearings to make something stick re brain damage. Remember the brouhaha in certain circles re those corrective glasses she was wearing? The Bernie Dead Enders have now picked up on it too. That and something about three more people dying who had written hit pieces on the Clintons.

  87. 87.

    SFAW

    August 7, 2016 at 9:45 am

    @Comrade Scrutinizer:

    There is probably a (rather dull) conversation to be had re: whether “Peak Wingnut” is asymptotic, likewise “Clinton Conspiracy Theories in The Wild.”

    Or maybe I’m just not using the word correctly.

  88. 88.

    Baud

    August 7, 2016 at 9:52 am

    @Quinerly: You should see the video from that incident. Clinton is awesome. Not surprised it has the wingnuts scared.

  89. 89.

    MattF

    August 7, 2016 at 9:52 am

    @SFAW: Well, the technical point is whether winger(t) goes to infinity at some finite t_{crazy} or whether it goes to infinity as t -> infinity.

  90. 90.

    Brachiator

    August 7, 2016 at 9:55 am

    Had a bout of insomnia, fell asleep on the sofa, and have now been up puttering about since 6 am. I’m not hungry since I had a huge dinner last night. Maybe I will go for a walk after a little Internet rambling.

  91. 91.

    Punchy

    August 7, 2016 at 9:56 am

    @raven: Yeah, water was fine. Race was great. Flat as hell so wicked fast. At least ~1600 peeps, so crazy bike course!

  92. 92.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 7, 2016 at 10:05 am

    @Quinerly: Jim Traficant, Mike Piper, and Victor Thorn. Farm accident (managed to flip his tractor), heart attack, suicide. I know that the latter two were holocaust deniers writing for the American Free Press. Traficant also had a column there; I haven’t bothered to find out what he covered other than Demjanjuk.

  93. 93.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 7, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @Quinerly: Good morning! I was out running errands yesterday and by the time I saw your reply to me, the thread was moribund. Alas, I don’t know the breakfast club to which you referred, so I expect there isn’t much friend overlap unless they’re involved in the HRC campaign here too. That’s been consuming much of my time lately. Anyway, give me a holler when you’re next in beautiful NM to arrange a meet-up.

    ETA: Ok, so syntax first thing in the morning isn’t the best. Here’s another go at it: If you’re interested in a meet-up, give me a holler when you’re next in beautiful NM.

  94. 94.

    Brachiator

    August 7, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @NotMax:

    …Krugman to Clinton: Don’t veer off course, don’t pivot

    This whole pivot crap really annoys me. Professional political strategists and pundits always insist that there is some fixed series of moves that candidates must make during an election. One reason they do this is because of their disdain of the voters. They see people as rubes to be manipulated.

    I also get tired of all the reporting about post convention polling bumps, since everyone concedes that the effect is temporary.

    Some folks like to complain about the media being biased. The larger problem is that reporting is often shallow and uninformative, full of lazy regurgitation of conventional wisdom.

  95. 95.

    MattF

    August 7, 2016 at 10:11 am

    @Brachiator: Some years ago I knew a guy who was a reporter in the White House press corps. Always the go-to guy for conventional wisdom.

  96. 96.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    August 7, 2016 at 10:13 am

    @Brachiator: Convention bumps only matter when they don’t happen. Like with the RNC this year.

  97. 97.

    Brachiator

    August 7, 2016 at 10:14 am

    @Quinerly:

    …That and something about three more people dying who had written hit pieces on the Clintons.

    This is the Hillary I love. The ruthless Lady Macbeth who had Vince Foster murdered. Trump is whining like a girly man about the Democrats rigging the election. He should be worried about Hillary putting a cap in his sorry ass.

  98. 98.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 10:24 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    If you are new to Galisteo, you really need to meet up with the once a month Breakfast Club. It started 20 some years ago with like minded people there off the Turquoise Trail…people exchanged info re water problems, building and land stuff. I know there are folks in Galisteo involved. When you are in the Hollar (the best food,great people) ask if Annie is around. She’ll hook you up as she is one of the founders. She doesn’t work at the Hollar but is in and out alot and best friends with the owner’s mom. Another person to check with is that antique shop I mentioned yesterday. Lori is a co founder of the Breakfast Club. You’ll meet a great bunch of people and see fantastic homes. Everyone alternates hosting it and you bring a dish. Tell them Kathy in St. Louis sent you.? I’m getting a real kick out of this. Be careful, a lot of Bernie Dead Enders that way.

  99. 99.

    Brachiator

    August 7, 2016 at 10:25 am

    @Keith G:

    . I would like to see HRC not only disdain a “pivot”, but I would love to see her begin to double down on left-leaning policy.

    I would like to see Clinton offer some concrete proposals for fully reviving the economy and getting more people to work. A good chunk of the progressive proposals in the party platform are just feel good filler meant to placate Bernie supporters and others.

  100. 100.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    August 7, 2016 at 10:27 am

    @Brachiator: What more would you like her to say that she hasn’t already outlined?

    Just curious.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  101. 101.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 7, 2016 at 10:32 am

    @Quinerly: Thanks! I’ll check them out…after the campaign. Yes, the area is rife with Bernie dead-enders (Taos in particular), but the leader of the Santa Fe Sanders campaign has committed to working for Democratic downticket races, which I think is just fine. We’ve also had numerous Bernie folk come join us at Clinton HQ to volunteer. The prospect of a Trump presidency focuses the mind wonderfully.

  102. 102.

    debbie

    August 7, 2016 at 10:41 am

    @Quinerly:

    Remember the brouhaha in certain circles re those corrective glasses she was wearing?

    Also the walker disguised as a wrought iron patio chair.

  103. 103.

    SFAW

    August 7, 2016 at 10:42 am

    @MattF:

    How interesting

  104. 104.

    Oldgold

    August 7, 2016 at 10:43 am

    Hillary is running a competent and consistent campaign. Perfect? No, but, if you are grading on the curve, it earns an easy A.

    Most of the recent press criticism is just more of their damnable false equivalency BS.

  105. 105.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 10:44 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    I have been shocked how many Trump supporters there are out there but big gun culture as you know. I keep running into them on my NM friends’ Book of Faces pages. Friends of my NM friends. Some are just rabid and delusional. Personally, I don’t know any Trump supporters and I have either beaten my Bernie supporters into submission or unfriended them.

  106. 106.

    Barb2

    August 7, 2016 at 10:45 am

    @SectionH:

    Chaco Canyon National Monument, NM not far from Farmington. Horrible road to get there. Massive Great Houses. Awesome place. South Road was recommended and easier on vehicles.

    Outliers – Great Houses are out of the way. Then the massive road system built by the people of the Chaco Canyon culture. Amazing place that does not fit the nomadic image most people have of prehistoric Indians, or Indigenous people of North America.

    Hoovenweep – Four Corners region. Related to Chaco Canyon culture. The clues are in the pottery. Not crowded with tourists. Nice place to camp, for the views. The tower structures. Built for defense. A whole lot of mystery.

    Vermillion Cliffs Monument – thanks to President Bill Clinton. North East corner of AZ. We were there this past Spring. Artists and Photographers heaven. Also hikers.

    We are snowbirds – probably part of a small anti Fox news minority. We take the roads less traveled.

    NM has been one of my favorite states since I first saw the area when I was in High School.

  107. 107.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 11:04 am

    @rikyrah: I know. Of all of them, I was about the only person who had actually been at that golf course. Besides, who the fuck are they to suggest what the people in that area do with their community? I’m sure the suburbanites would be just thrilled to have the residents of Jackson Park weigh in on what needs to happen in Oak Park or Park Ridge.. And when I said that, the shit really hit the fan.

  108. 108.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 11:07 am

    @laura: Being too busy to think does get us through the first days, and it’s smart that you put a grief plan together for when that busyness is over. You’ve got this, and you’re going to be ok. Your mom would be proud, I feel sure.

  109. 109.

    satby

    August 7, 2016 at 11:11 am

    @Quinerly: man, I’m going to go visit just to have breakfast there some day ;)

  110. 110.

    debbie

    August 7, 2016 at 11:18 am

    Odd that the photos are upside down on my iPad.

  111. 111.

    Brachiator

    August 7, 2016 at 11:23 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: I find this kinda interesting.

    Strengthen American manufacturing with a $10 billion “Make it in America” plan

    The rest is largely a rehash of past Democratic Party policy.

    BTW, I had similar reservations with some of Obama’s proposals. I don’t think much of any GOP policy.

    I just hope that Clinton appoints some innovative thinkers if she is elected.

  112. 112.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    August 7, 2016 at 11:28 am

    @Brachiator: She can only do so much if the House and Senate won’t work with her, as we know. We need to do our part to run up the score.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  113. 113.

    laura

    August 7, 2016 at 11:37 am

    @satby: the greatest gift my parents -especially my mother gave us was to prepare us to take on the responsibilities of life. When I’d complain she’d say “here’s a glass of ice water in the face” and it really puts things in perspective.
    Also, to be a loved and wanted child, what more is there, really.
    Yours, and others kindness has been a lovely thing, and I thank you.

  114. 114.

    gogol's wife

    August 7, 2016 at 11:49 am

    @bystander:

    The video is hilarious! That’s even better than the Cockney one.

  115. 115.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    August 7, 2016 at 11:50 am

    @Brachiator:

    The rest is largely a rehash of past Democratic Party policy.

    There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with a lot of the “past” policies. The problem has been the inability to get them passed in Congress.

  116. 116.

    wenchacha

    August 7, 2016 at 12:00 pm

    Big doings here. Our son and his wife are back from their month in Japan. Now they are packing their Scion xb to the gills and preparing for a cross-country trip from WNY to Silicon Valley. Not sure where they will live yet. Son starts work August 22nd. They are at the beginning, and I feel a little envious!

    Our daughter is also back visiting from the PNW. Next time we are all together is likely to be in California, or maybe Oregon! And now my brother and his gf will arrive this evening. By Sunday evening, it will be back to just us with our daughter, and then she’ll head west and all the excitement will be over. I’m trying to savor the chaos!

  117. 117.

    Brachiator

    August 7, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    She can only do so much if the House and Senate won’t work with her, as we know.

    When Dubya was elected, he and the Republicans had a tax plan ready and insisted that the Democrats vote on it.

    Obama’s major focus was dealing with the financial crisis. And his governing style was to insist that the GOP and Democrats work together. Which they refused to do.

    Obviously, Clinton can do little to get something done as long as Republicans obstruct her. But this should not keep the Democrats from crafting an economic plan. They should keep it in front of the public and use it to help them in the mid term elections.

    Right now, for example, the main thing Democrats got done were an extension of some tax cuts from the Bill Clinton administration. Obviously, again, Obamacare was a significant victory. But the Democrats have not put together any alternative plan. And they don’t have to wait for the election to begin working on this.

    On the positive side, I will be interested to see how Hillary handles this. She will have a lot on her plate.

  118. 118.

    Brachiator

    August 7, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    @Steeplejack (tablet):

    …There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with a lot of the “past” policies. The problem has been the inability to get them passed in Congress.

    Not true. Apart from the weak infrastructure proposal, the Democrats have not had much in the way of any tax or economic policy to present. Much of what has been done is a compromise which favored Republicans more, while extending some Bill Clinton era cuts.

    Quick example. Congress made permanent the section 179 deduction, letting businesses deduct up to $500,000 of the cost of business assets. The original limit was $25,000. There is little evidence that this has worked to stimulate the economy. But it costs billions.

  119. 119.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 7, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    @satby: Please do!!!

  120. 120.

    Dmbeaster

    August 7, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    The pictures are from Cedar Breaks Natl Mon., which is similar to Bryce. The rim above those colorful cliffs is at a high elevation – over 10,000 feet and subject to summer thunderstorms. Hence the cliffs and lightning warning on the same sign. Its a spot worth visiting in the wonderful red rock country of southern Utah. Cedar Breaks is on the western edge of the area near I-15. Many great destinations in the area from Zion to Mesa Verde and points in between.

  121. 121.

    Jeffro

    August 7, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    Good morning ( heck afternoon at this point !)

    Are we going to do a NoVA-area meet up before the election? If so count me in!

  122. 122.

    Quinerly

    August 7, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    @satby:
    We have a large gathering of Happy Sunday Morning Boners! Virgin Boners are always welcome!

  123. 123.

    Tazj

    August 7, 2016 at 1:07 pm

    @laura: I’m also glad you have a good plan to take care of yourself. Losing a parent is difficult even when you’re an adult and you know it’s coming. I think our culture doesn’t acknowledge this but it’s true. My elderly mom died of dementia in April and I still have sad times. I’m lucky I have my kids to keep me busy even if they drove me crazy on our recent road trip.

  124. 124.

    Prescott Cactus

    August 7, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    Pictures were from:
    Cedar Breaks National Monument in Southern Utah.

    it’s about 40 miles East of Cedar City, UT., a small college town with a repertory company focusing on Shakespeare.

    It’s the 400th anniversary of Shakespeare’s death and both Cedar City, UT., and Ashland OR., are committing to play all 40+ of the Bard’s work in the next 5 years. Both are great companies !

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