Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The only way through is to slog through the muck one step at at time.

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

Fear and negativity are contagious, but so is courage!

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

We do not need to pander to people who do not like what we stand for.

Innocent people do not delay justice.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

To the privileged, equality seems like oppression.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

When we show up, we win.

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

The National Guard is not Batman.

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

The line between political reporting and fan fiction continues to blur.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

I would gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

The republican caucus is covering themselves with something, and it is not glory.

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This guy:

A President Donald Trump might push for Americans accused of terrorism to be tried in military tribunal at the U.S. Navy base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, the Republican nominee told the Miami Herald on Thursday.

“I would say they could be tried there, that would be fine,” Trump said in a brief interview ahead of his speech to home builders in Miami Beach.

Under current federal law, it’s illegal to try U.S. citizens at military commissions. Changing the law would require an act of Congress.

In the wide-ranging interview focused on key South Florida issues, Trump continued to question climate change caused by humans. He said he plans to soon sit down with Cuban Americans in Miami to hash out a Cuba policy. And for the first time, he said Congress should set aside money to combat the Zika virus.

Asked about Guantánamo in the past, Trump has said he would like to “load it up with bad dudes.” He wouldn’t specify to the Herald whether as president he would again allow terrorism suspects captured abroad to be transferred to the detention center.

“I want to make sure that if we have radical Islamic terrorists, we have a very safe place to keep them,” he said. President Barack Obama, he added, is “allowing people to get out that are terrible people.”

“Would you try to get the military commissions — the trial court there — to try U.S. citizens?” a reporter asked.

“Well, I know that they want to try them in our regular court systems, and I don’t like that at all. I don’t like that at all,” he said. “I would say they could be tried there, that would be fine.”

I honestly think this guy might be dumber than Sarah Palin.

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  2. 2.

    Steve

    I’ve repeatedly said to anyone who’ll listen that Donald Trump is a dumbed down version of Sarah Palin. Glad to hear someone’s finally catching on.

  3. 3.

    Omnes Omnibus

    I honestly think this guy might be dumber than Sarah Palin.

    “good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart” That should take care of that.

  4. 4.

    Mark B

    I’m beginning to think that Donald Trump spends most of the time he isn’t on camera eating paste.

  5. 5.

    lamh36

    Jeremy Diamond ✔ @JDiamond1
    Trump slams Obama for commuting too many prison sentences. Then: “These people are out. They’re walking. The streets. Sleep tight, folks.”

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    Incredibly, Palin may be both more articulate and more qualified to be president than Trump. Of course, so are my chickens! But gottdamn. Thanks, John McCain!

  8. 8.

    Emma

    He’ll sit down with the old farts and ignore the younger generation and drive them deeper into Democratic territory. Really, not such a bad outcome.

  11. 11.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Omnes Omnibus: actually it was Wharton’s undergraduate extension, which gave out the basic U Penn bachelor of arts. Few ever bring it up, but Trump’s degree and an actual Wharton degree are not the same thing.

  18. 18.

    PigDog

    He’s just the pure distillation of his voters. As (un)informed as they are.

    I had to endure 20+ minutes today of one of these voters going on and on about how if Rubio was the nominee he would be 20 points up on HRC because he’s all “the Republican Barack Obama – young, telegenic, articulate.” I wanted to scream.

  20. 20.

    Baud

    @PigDog:

    he’s all “the Republican Barack Obama – young, telegenic, articulate.

    Except for the whole winning the primary thing.

  23. 23.

    geg6

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Really!?!?!?! I have never, ever heard that. Fascinating. I may have spent more time at the actual UofPenn than Trump did?!?!?!? Did a fellowship there in adult basic education for a semester in grad school. Didn’t get my degree there but the state paid for the fellowship after a competition that chose ten of us across the state.

  25. 25.

    lollipopguild

    @PigDog: I am still trying to figure out how Rubio who got his ass handed to him by Trump would somehow be beating Clinton. Little Boots might still be popular in Florida but he has/had no base in the Gop.

  30. 30.

    PsiFighter37

    @Adam L Silverman: Not to be seen as defending Trump, but as a graduate of the undergraduate program at Wharton myself – it is arguably more impressive than the MBA program, whose members were often spotted in my upper-level finance courses chilling out and blatantly submitting similar work they had sourced from their cohort-mates.

    That said, it is true Trump was only there for 2 years, and I have no doubt (given he hasn’t released his transcripts) that he was not one of the brightest people there.

  32. 32.

    different-church-lady

    Asked about Guantánamo in the past, Trump has said he would like to “load it up with bad dudes.”

    I just came in from reading Achewood, and Achewood makes more sense than that.

  33. 33.

    PhoenixRising

    Um, Cole, an act of Congress wouldn’t do it…there is, like so many things the Cheetos-colored circus peanut threatens, an Amendment for that. I think it’s the 6th.

    Anyway we 19th Amendment people are going to beat the stuffings out of that jamoke and send him home to Queens crying. (After which those of us still using our 21st Amendment rights are going to turn our livers over to a higher power.)

  34. 34.

    dedc79

    I honestly think this guy might be dumber than Sarah Palin.

    Reagan -> W -> Palin -> Trump

    That’s a frightening trend line of stupid, particularly since it’s not like Reagan was bright.

  36. 36.

    Kay

    The GOP is just letting this happen:

    At the rally in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina, Trump howled about the dishonest media, calling out Tur by name. “She’s back there. Little Katy. She’s back there,” Trump said, referring to a grown woman as “little.” Trump continued, calling Tur a “third rate” reporter and her tweets a “lie.” Tur writes that the crowd began booing her, quickly turning on her “like a large animal, angry and unchained.” The Secret Service walked Tur to her car and that, Tur notes, is when the reality of the “incident sank in.”
    Since Trump singled her out, Tur says that she’s been on the receiving end of threats and an endless stream of harassment on social media, another aspect of covering the Trump campaign that’s, by now, familiar to a number of female reporters, including Megyn Kelly, Julia Ioffe, and Michelle Fields.

    It’s getting bad at these things for reporters. Trump’s supporters are getting right in their faces, screaming at them. It seems worse than it was before.

  37. 37.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    Palin said Trump is now “we the people’s nominee.”

    “Trump came roaring in through this primary, and he blew the lid off the corrupted and corroded machine. He was like a golden wrecking ball. He wrecked what needed to be wrecked in order to shine light on the shenanigans, in order to allow us to rebuild because, see, Trump builds things.”

    To drive her point home, she added, “Suck it up, cupcake!”

    The speech led the folks on Morning Joe to wonder if Palin had taken “some bad acid.”

  38. 38.

    Eric U.

    OT: Elkhound has a new hiding place from thunder, the linen closet. Not sure why her old hiding places in the shower and under the wood stove are no good now.

    She’s only a little afraid of gunfire and hasn’t shown much fear of fireworks. Which is good, because my mom’s house was across from a minor league baseball stadium where they set off fireworks at every home game.

  39. 39.

    geg6

    @LAO:

    I’m sure, but my experience at Penn was fantastic. Very inspiring and an experience that changed the trajectory of my career in higher ed. And not at all in the way I thought it would.

  40. 40.

    Lizzy L

    I totally believe that Donald Trump is dumber than Betty’s chickens. He’s also ignorant. Ignorant is not the same as dumb, because ignorant is fixable, But Trump is 70 years old, which means he’s pretty damn set in his ways, and if his ways don’t include curiosity, flexibility of mind, a delight in new information, healthy skepticism, the ability to focus, a love of READING — ah hell, you get the idea. He’s dumb and ignorant.

  41. 41.

    cokane

    It’s just Cleek’s Law at work again.

    “Liberals want to close Guantanamo? Let’s DOUBLE it!” Coincidentally, this is what Romney said as well. These people just hate liberalism

  42. 42.

    PigDog

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    Well, considering the competition on the R side, the bar for “articulate” is pretty low.

    Maybe it was just code for “Hispanic who doesn’t sound like Cheech or Chong.”

  47. 47.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @cokane: I don’t know what Cleek’s Law is but this is what I’ve been saying for years about your modern Republican. It’s one-upmanship gone viral. It’s a racheting up as they try to outdo each other on right wing talk shows and the like. You want to tighten immigration laws, well I’m even tougher, I want to… deport them! All of them!

    This is why they make so little sense to people outside this world, we’re not the ones they’re trying to impress.

  49. 49.

    ? Martin

    @PhoenixRising: Yep:

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

    Military tribunal is a fundamental violation of the right to a jury by your peers. But Trump knows this. Regarding his claim that Obama founded ISIS:

    But they wouldn’t talk about your language, and they do talk about my language, right?

    Trump knows what he’s doing. He is (for whatever reasons) going for a free media strategy by saying things outrageous enough to get him free press. He’s always been a ratings guy and he’s getting great ratings. Too bad election don’t work that way. But he knows this will blow up in the media. He’s not stupid.

  52. 52.

    dmsilev

    @Bill E Pilgrim: I’ll see your Palin and raise you this:

    Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

    If an English teacher assigned a student to parse and diagram that “sentence”, that teacher would be guilty of violations of the Geneva Convention.

  53. 53.

    Kay

    @Miss Bianca:

    Well, Trump isn’t doing it to male journalists but look at this.

    That guy is enraged. He’s out of control. Is Trump too cheap to hire security at these hate-fests?

  54. 54.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    Um, what exactly does he think nonviolent drug offenders swept up in the moral panic about crack are going to do, exactly? OMG, they might, like, buy pot or something!!!

  56. 56.

    Mnemosyne

    @dmsilev:

    We already parsed that in one of the threads below. What he’s saying is:

    I’m white, and my relatives are also white, so I’m smarter than Obama. Case closed.

  59. 59.

    Kay

    @Miss Bianca:

    Been in this rally ~5 mins. Press has been heckled, crowd shouting “fuck Hillary” and “lock that bitch up.” So, that’s the scene here.

  60. 60.

    PigDog

    @Kay:

    Can we please just gather up all these “patriots” like the one in that Twitter feed, send them all to one state (Escape from New York-style) ,call it Patriotstan and let them build their own wall?

  61. 61.

    Mnemosyne

    @Kay:

    Trump thinks he’s losing because of the media. Not because of the things he says, or because he has no policies, or because he’s an asshole. He is a narcissist, which means he’s never to blame, so therefore he’s only losing because the media is against him.

    He’s only going to get worse, trust me. Toxic narcissist is toxic.

  63. 63.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @dmsilev: I know, but let’s face it, “Suck it, Cupcake!” completely out of the blue with no explanation is a pretty strong hand.

  65. 65.

    burnspbesq

    One thing that we can hope for if Clinton is elected is a complete shutdown of the whole damn military commission system, which I consider to be blatantly inconsistent with the Constitution, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the Geneva Conventions, and a whole pile of customary international law.

    While I’m dreaming, I’ll also dream that the United States will ratify the Rome Statute and become part of the International Criminal Court, so that when we start capturing senior leaders of ISIS, we can drop them off in The Hague for trial.

  66. 66.

    Redshift

    @PigDog:

    I had to endure 20+ minutes today of one of these voters going on and on about how if Rubio was the nominee he would be 20 points up on HRC because he’s all “the Republican Barack Obama – young, telegenic, articulate.” I wanted to scream.

    Better to laugh. It’s hilarious that they think Rubio would have Obama’s broad appeal because he matches the caricature in their heads of Obama.

  69. 69.

    Miss Bianca

    @Kay: I saw a teenager today at the grocery store wearing a “Hillary for Prison” t-shirt. Decorated tastefully with bullet holes. So yeah – however bad he may have it in for certain men, it’s a lead pipe cinch that he’s encouraging a particularly vicious brand of misogyny. The asshole cannot be humiliated ENOUGH at the hands of women voters, all bleeding from their whatevers, coming out and crushing him in the voting booth.

  78. 78.

    JordanRules

    @Kay: Sometimes I have to stop myself from imagining what the response would look like if these scenarios involved a Democrat and even more so, a “minority” Democrat.

    It pisses me off! So sometimes I just tell my brain nope, don’t go there. This dangerous asshole scam candidate is such a fucking glaring example of privilege that I can’t even stand it. And a good chunk of the media covering it is protecting that privilege and refuse to rip the band-aids off. They keep shooting the chickens out of the sky when they are trying to come home to roost.

  80. 80.

    scav

    @Mike J: Why not use them as actual bricks in the wall? They’re so keen to have it: they can patriotically lie down and the Mexicans can slap some mortar on them. They seemed willing to sit around in their lawn chairs doing essentially the same duty — this would just be a more permanent setup.

  81. 81.

    dmsilev

    @Miss Bianca: Just like Obama’s election brought a lot of blatant racists crawling out from under rocks, I’m quite sure Hillary’s election and Presidency will bring out more misogyny than we imagined possible.

  84. 84.

    Kay

    @Mnemosyne:

    I think they’re worse since his polling got bad and there’s all this talk of meltdown.

    I also think the Republican Party has a responsibility to hire more security or remove people who get so close and are clearly insanely angry and out of control. It doesn’t matter if Trump’s incapable of acting like a normal human being. Donald Trump is clearly in over his head and can’t manage anything. It’s a GOP event. They should step in.

  86. 86.

    Miss Bianca

    @dmsilev: I don’t know about you, but I’ve been able to imagine a hell of a lot of misogyny. Because I’ve already seen it. No amount will surprise me; it will only alternately depress and enrage me.

  87. 87.

    Ruckus

    @Bill E Pilgrim:
    From your quote:

    The speech led the folks on Morning Joe to wonder if Palin had taken “some bad acid.”

    The reason they call it bad acid is that it turns your brain into a twin of Palin’s. Even people on acid know that isn’t a good trip.

  88. 88.

    Mnemosyne

    Seriously, guys and gals, I want one of our graphically talented ‘Juicers to design a “19th Amendment Remedies” t-shirt and put it up on Cafe Press for us to buy. What should it look like?

    I would also like a “15th Amendment Remedies” t-shirt so the gents can join in, too.

  89. 89.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    Oh okay thanks, that’s different. Mine would be something like “An ideal conservative position is one that’s precisely one degree more tough or draconian than the last guy who called in.”

    Some truth to both of them I think.

  91. 91.

    dmsilev

    @Kay: I don’t think the GOP knows what to do. The latest is reports of a meeting between the Trumpkins and the RNC tomorrow:

    Donald Trump’s campaign and top Republican Party officials plan what one person called a “come to Jesus” meeting on Friday in Orlando to discuss the Republican nominee’s struggling campaign, according to multiple sources familiar with the scheduled sit-down.
    […]
    Another person familiar with the meeting, a Republican operative who works with the campaign, said the planned gathering was “a come-to-Jesus meeting.” That source said that many Trump campaign staffers share the party officials’ frustrations with Trump’s penchant for self-sabotaging rhetoric. “What’s bothering people on the campaign is that they feel like they’re doing all the right things, but they’re losing every news cycle to Hillary and there’s nothing they can do about it.”

    Hey, “Republican operative who works with the campaign”, do you know why you’re losing every news cycle? Three guesses.

    Oh, and just so you know, “losing every news cycle” is the least of your worries. Romney won many, possibly most, of the daily news cycles and still lost the election.

  94. 94.

    BR

    @dmsilev:

    Doesn’t the article say that Trump won’t attend the meeting? Then it won’t make a difference.

    I think the strange posters and charts Trump has been holding up in his rallies are probably an attempt on the part of the staff to keep him on message — basically give him some props where they control the message, so he’s forced to riff off of those.

  95. 95.

    dmsilev

    @Miss Bianca: I have, well ‘faith’ is probably the wrong word for it, but lets just say I believe that no matter how bad we think it’s going to be, the actuality will end up being worse.

  96. 96.

    Tee

    @Kay: #NoTrumpTv if MSM would just publish bare facts, Trump had really at x location and x people attended, they would not be contributing to his campaign. He does not spend on advertising but says something outrageous or phones into a show. They level of hate he has released among his supporters is scary. I had to send a neighbor kid home because he was spouting vile stuff echoing his Dad’s statements. It is getting bad.

  98. 98.

    Mnemosyne

    @Kay:

    Oh, I totally agree. I just think that the media is going to be Trump’s chosen scapegoat, and it’s going to get VERY ugly because he has no self-control or control of his followers.

  100. 100.

    Kay

    @Miss Bianca:

    This is nice:

    Went to phone bank last night for Clinton Kaine. Struck by a few things. Numerous women, all ages, there to volunteer.

    You have to follow it along, but read the whole thing. It’s interesting. I felt like Clinton would have really resilient support from some women who maybe aren’t loud but are solid supporters. That’s what she’s describing.

    It would be funny if the “silent majority” Trump is always bellowing about were Clinton women :)

  101. 101.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @Ruckus: It’s funny because “bad acid” always seemed to me that it would mean acid that didn’t work. Possibly because of experiencing that (along with the opposite) in my wayward youth.

  102. 102.

    Miss Bianca

    @dmsilev:

    I have, well ‘faith’ is probably the wrong word for it, but lets just say I believe that no matter how bad we think it’s going to be, the actuality will end up being worse.

    You must be fun at knitting circle. : )

  103. 103.

    scav

    @dmsilev: Meeting might be more about attempting to rehabilitate the reputation and future employment prospects of Team Trump staff by attempting to look somewhat sane and reality tangent, than any expectation of wrestling the misfiring cannon into any form of control.

  104. 104.

    Kay

    @dmsilev:

    That’s them worrying about winning, though. I think they should worry about the fact that Donald Trump can’t manage a Florida rally. He’s in over his head. He doesn’t know how to do this.

  105. 105.

    James E Powell

    @dmsilev:

    First we have the “intervention” with Reince Preibus, now a “Come to Jesus” meeting?

    When will they have the “You have to answer for Santino” meeting?

  107. 107.

    Lizzy L

    @BR: I don’t think it would make a difference if Trump did attend the meeting. His crowds love and demand what he’s been giving them. When he tones it down, he’s boring, and clearly, also, bored. He likes being outrageous, he loves the press attention, he enjoys the outrage itself. He isn’t going to change.

  108. 108.

    PhoenixRising

    @Mnemosyne:

    19th Amendment Remedies” t-shirt

    WANT. Please, design literate Juicers, make it so. Use the imagery and iconographic style of the Clinton campaign. I’ll wait right here.

  113. 113.

    BR

    @Mike J:

    I hope he keeps believing that. And it’s wonderful that the RNC is still directing money to his campaign — he’ll bleed them dry and direct all the funds to his “airline” and hotels and such.

  115. 115.

    dmsilev

    @Mike J: According to a story over at dKos, he claimed today that his turnout problems would be solved by all the coal miners coming out and voting for him. As noted by someone in the comments, there are less than 100,000 people who work as coal miners across the entire country.

  116. 116.

    Nom de Plume

    @dedc79:

    Reagan -> W -> Palin -> Trump

    The GOP continues to steadily devolve. I have this theory that it’s all been a deliberate attempt to make Reagan look better.

  120. 120.

    PhoenixRising

    @Miss Bianca: Nah, not her picture…the font and icon styling from the campaign. It’s a design choice that says it without saying it out loud.

    Though I would wear the seams out of a ’19th Amendment Remedies’ tee with a line drawing of Eleanor Roosevelt too.

  121. 121.

    sukabi

    @PigDog: your friend needs to lay off the lead… Rubio comes off as a smarmy, not too bright doofus…and he’s lazy to boot.

  122. 122.

    Mnemosyne

    @Miss Bianca:

    Me, I kind of don’t want anyone’s picture. Just, like, a flag.

    ETA: That’s partly so it can easily be made in “19th Amendment” and “15th Amendment” versions.

    Now I’m picturing my imaginary future ex-husband modeling a “15th Amendment Remedies” t-shirt.

    I’ll be in my bunk.

  124. 124.

    Anne Laurie

    @Miss Bianca:

    Is he fucking doing this to MALE journalists? No.

    You forgot that one crip disabled guy.

    Although mocking that man apparently hurts Trump’s polls with non-“base” voters worse than any of his other gaffes, so…

  125. 125.

    sukabi

    @Mike J: bubble over drumpfs head as he’s saying that:

    Who needs to get out the vote when you’ve got Russian hackers….

  127. 127.

    Anne Laurie

    Speaking of General notice: I’m on a different machine than usual, I can’t find the LOG IN button on this page, and typing in the ISP address gets me 403 FORBIDDEN.

    So I *hope* my pre-scheduled Friday Morning Open Thread shows up… but apart from that, you’ll have to do without me till sometime Friday evening. Sorry!

  132. 132.

    Mnemosyne

    @sukabi:

    Honestly, I think a big enough stink was raised over the DNC stuff that I doubt the Russians will meddle much more. Besides, after his comments about nukes, I doubt they want Trump to have access to those.

  136. 136.

    lamh36

    @lamh36: FYI, NBC apparently showed it on the streaming feed, not on broadcast even though it was LIVE and Gynmastics was not. Nope they cut away to the taped gymnastics competition and of course the Micheal Phelps countdown clock until his semifinal meet…ugh…NBC.

  138. 138.

    Mnemosyne

    @lamh36:

    It won’t load on my iPad. ? Deadspin must have a popover that’s trying to load.

    Though I have to say, I like that us Americans are starting to adopt “couldn’t be arsed” as a phrase. There really isn’t an American idiom that means the same thing.

    And good luck tomorrow! Fingers crossed! ☎️?

  141. 141.

    Felonius Monk

    I honestly think this guy might be dumber than Sarah Palin.

    That’s bigly, right there. Maybe even yuuuge.

  143. 143.

    Mike E

    Simone Biles won by 2.1 points… that’s greater than the margins of victory from 1980 thru 2012 combined.

  144. 144.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    I caught the US-Brazil volleyball game tonight. I’ve enjoyed watching Olympic volleyball since 84. And Simone and Aly kicked ass tonight.

  146. 146.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mike E: Yeah, unless she got injured, everyone else was is a race for the silver. Speaking of the silver, I wonder if it is particularly gratifying for Raisman because of who got the bronze?

  147. 147.

    Vor

    @lamh36: no, NBC showed the Simone Manuel medal ceremony on network. I just watched it and she cried during the anthem. NBC just did it after Women’s Gymnastics.

  148. 148.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Vor: lamh36 is right that a historic event – the medal ceremony of the first AA to win an individual swimming gold – was worth a live moment. The gymnastics stuff was already in the can. People would have stayed up until 11:05 to see the end of the gymnastics. One of another crappy moves by NBC.

  151. 151.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mike E: Only because Biles’s win was a foregone conclusion. I really liked what Raisman has done. I’ve watched her on the sidelines. She has been a leader. Did you see her moving Biles to a better camera position after her floor ex? That was the move of a veteran.

  154. 154.

    rikyrah

    @Mike E:
    Moments like that are why you watch the Olympics.
    I promise you that there was a little Black girl that loves swimming, who was watching and got “the spark”.

  155. 155.

    hellslittlestangel

    Flash-forward to 2020, when a common lament will be that Republican presidential candidate Curt Schilling “makes Donald Trump look like a statesman.”

  156. 156.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Vor: And the other fact is that issue was raised in real time. The fact that It was shown later does not diminish that fact that it could have been, but was not, shown live. NBC could have done something good without messing with ratings, but they chose not to.

  157. 157.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Especially in light of the fact that NBC’s programming bias is supposedly all about the personal drama of U.S. athletes. This should have been a perfect “up close and personal” moment for them. Complete fail.

  159. 159.

    chopper

    Asked about Guantánamo in the past, Trump has said he would like to “load it up with bad dudes.”

    “President Trump, Vice President Spicoli is on line two”

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    Dmbeaster

    Military tribunals to try US citizens for sedition during war while in the US, and the local courts are functioning? Already held to be unconstitutional, and during a real war . Ex Parte Milligan. Specifically, the Civil War, and trials of US citizens in Indiana for aiding tne rebellion. Martial law was only proper in actual war zones where courts were not functional.

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