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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Saturday Morning Cartoons Open Thread: The Trumpening

Saturday Morning Cartoons Open Thread: The Trumpening

by Anne Laurie|  August 13, 20166:36 am| 204 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Republicans in Disarray!, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?

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trump rigged swimmers luckovich

(Mike Luckovich via GoComics.com)
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Sure, Deadbeat Don is sucking all the air out of the room, but cartoonists who usually struggle to find topics during the summer news lull are having the best time right now…

What’s on the agenda for the day, or the weekend?

trump grassy knoll ohman

(Jack Ohman via GoComics.com)
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trump joke gone bad morin

(Jim Morin via GoComics.com)
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trump says what he means

(John Deering via GoComics.com)
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Tom Toles Editorial Cartoon

(Tom Toles via GoComics.com)
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trump loyal supporters anderson

(Nick Anderson via GoComics.com)
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hillary trumps balance beam danziger

(Jeff Danziger’s website)
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trump family distance sheneman

(Drew Sheneman via GoComics.com)
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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    August 13, 2016 at 6:41 am

    Good Morning ?, Everyone ?

  2. 2.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 6:42 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning, rikyrah.

  3. 3.

    HRA

    August 13, 2016 at 6:50 am

    I cannot see the humor or the intent in bringing up the assassination of President Kennedy in any way at all.

  4. 4.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    August 13, 2016 at 7:00 am

    Wheeeeeeee!

  5. 5.

    JPL

    August 13, 2016 at 7:05 am

    Make America great again.. Luckovich link

    @HRA: I agree

  6. 6.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 7:09 am

    @HRA: The humor in that one was lost on me as well.

  7. 7.

    Aleta

    August 13, 2016 at 7:10 am

    I’ve moved on from my obsessive trumpulsion disorder and am wondering how I will handle the post trump stress disorder.

  8. 8.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 7:12 am

    My wife bought some peaches and wants me to eat them, I grew up with a peach tree and I’m spoiled; these peaches suck.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 7:16 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m movin’ to the country, I’m gonna eat me a lot of peaches
    I’m movin’ to the country, gonna eat a lot of peaches
    I’m movin’ to the country, I’m gonna eat a lot of peaches

    Peaches come from a can
    They were put there by a man
    In a factory downtown

    If I had my little way
    I’d eat peaches every day
    Sun soakin’ bulges in the shade

  10. 10.

    bystander

    August 13, 2016 at 7:18 am

    Missed a few threads and feeling lazy. Has the supposed Preet Bharara investigation of Clinton Foundation actually begun or are rw media outlets pipedreaming? Because I’m really not ready to hear every b/s supposed piece of evidence of unbridled cookery served up in argle bargle dressing.

  11. 11.

    Aleta

    August 13, 2016 at 7:19 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Seems I almost never eat a peach any more without trepidation of that double cross.

  12. 12.

    Taylor

    August 13, 2016 at 7:20 am

    @HRA: It’s associating Trump’s (“sarcastic”) call for political assassination with an assassination that the nation still grieves over.

    Also the tacky billboard and grafitti are emblematic of Trump’s defacement of our political discourse.

    It is not meant to be funny.

  13. 13.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 13, 2016 at 7:21 am

    I see Reince Priebus is urging people not to believe the “garbage” they read about Trump. Since most of what I read about him is quotes of his own words, I agree there’s garbage but I don’t see how I’m supposed to disbelieve it.

  14. 14.

    Amir Khalid

    August 13, 2016 at 7:23 am

    I found this lovely bit of Trump fan fiction in a Google search. Here is the writer’s Wikipedia entry.

    In better news, the 2016/17 season of the English Premier League begins today.

  15. 15.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    August 13, 2016 at 7:25 am

    @HRA: Why did you suppose it was meant to be humorous? The JFK assassination was preceded by accusations from extreme right wingers in Dallas that Kennedy was a traitor that needed to be dealt with. Oswald did not spring from a vacuum. This has been discussed this week. Looks to me as if Ohman is just explicitly drawing the parallel between fall of 63 and the fall of 16.

    Funny, no. On point, yes.

  16. 16.

    MattF

    August 13, 2016 at 7:25 am

    @bystander: @Taylor: @Iowa Old Lady: Lotta RW wishful thinking out there.

    In the meantime, gonna have dinner this evening with an old friend, try out that new restaurant across the street.

  17. 17.

    Aleta

    August 13, 2016 at 7:26 am

    really love your peaches
    Want to shake your tree

  18. 18.

    Just One More Canuck

    August 13, 2016 at 7:27 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: He was misquoted. What he actually said was, “Don’t believe the garbage other people say about Trump. Believe the garbage I say about Trump.”

    Unless he was being sarcastic

  19. 19.

    Aleta

    August 13, 2016 at 7:30 am

    can’t help myself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5njDmUMhfa0

  20. 20.

    Keith P.

    August 13, 2016 at 7:32 am

    It’s a little early in the morning to see Donald Trump in a speedo, even if it is just in cartoon form.

  21. 21.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    August 13, 2016 at 7:32 am

    @bystander: I’ll believe it when a credible news organization reports it. I thought Bharara was getting close to the end of his term, and was trying to close out de Blasio and Cuomo, but I have to admit that I don’t really follow the scandals d’ jour.

  22. 22.

    Raven

    August 13, 2016 at 7:33 am

    1.28 billion minutes of Olympic coverage by NBC and still the whining.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 7:34 am

    @bystander: During the primary, there was a “leak” that Terry McAuliffe was being investigated. Haven’t heard about it since.

  24. 24.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    August 13, 2016 at 7:38 am

    @Raven: Who’s whining? Although that should be 1.27 billion minutes of human interest stories, jingoism, and puffery from NBC about the Olympics, and 3 hours coverage of the Olympic games. I’m sure it’s Fuck LBJ’s fault.

  25. 25.

    Cat48

    August 13, 2016 at 7:41 am

    @bystander:

    They are using “may” today, as in, Clinton Foundation FBI Probes MAY Be Ocurring in Three Cities. The press won’t run the stories unless the FBI acknowledges an investigation is Ocurring. The FBI won’t say an investigation is Ocurring yet. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. Really though, who knows?.

  26. 26.

    PsiFighter37

    August 13, 2016 at 7:41 am

    Off to St. Louis for the weekend. Frankly had I known I would have this exam to prep for, I would’ve stayed home. Oh well.

  27. 27.

    Raven

    August 13, 2016 at 7:41 am

    @Comrade Scrutinizer: Yea dumbass, the show every minute of every fuckin event but whiners gonna whine. I wish they would make you watch.

  28. 28.

    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 7:44 am

    @Taylor: I had to check to see if someone got this before I commented, but you nailed it.

  29. 29.

    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 7:45 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning sunshine?

  30. 30.

    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 7:53 am

    Oh, the Republicans running around, telling people to pay no attention to the man in front of the curtain.

  31. 31.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    August 13, 2016 at 7:57 am

    @satby: I got ‘”harrowing” out of it, myself.

  32. 32.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    August 13, 2016 at 7:59 am

    @Raven: Love you too, raven :). OT question for you. Is Joe Fail’s daughter still blogging? I used to check in every now and again to see how things were going, but I lost the link about two computer crashes ago.

  33. 33.

    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 8:00 am

    @ThresherK (GPad): agreed. Drumpf would incite the violence, disclaim any involvement, and still try to capitalize on the result. That is harrowing when you consider what a soulless creature he is.

  34. 34.

    Aleta

    August 13, 2016 at 8:06 am

    Last night I was standing on a dock, and the soul dog barked twice at the water. Maybe at a reflection or a rock out of place, no clue. Dog across the cove barked back, twice. Soul dog answered, three barks. Dog across the cove answers, three barks. Back and forth, apparently an interesting conversation. Finally some real dogs across the road began to join in, and I had to insist that he leave his echo before everyone’s barks began ricocheting out of control.

  35. 35.

    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 8:12 am

    @Aleta: they do talk to each other. My dogs used to occasionally have the same kinds of conversation with their coyote cousins across the field.

  36. 36.

    gene108

    August 13, 2016 at 8:15 am

    @Taylor:

    I would not have gotten the ‘toon, without your explanation.

    And for every successful Presidential assassination, there have several failed ones, from Teddy Roosevelt, in 1912, FDR in 1933, to Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan to 2011 White House shooting, where the gunman’s bullets hit the bulletproof windows of the residence quarters to the knife wielding White House fence jumper of 2014.

    Edit: Presidential assassination attempts are not an uncommon occurrence.

  37. 37.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:16 am

    another secret service editorial cartoon.

  38. 38.

    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 8:17 am

    @satby: And my cats convey rather complicated information to each other with subtle body language.

    It makes complete sense to me. Where did ours come from, otherwise?

  39. 39.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:18 am

    @satby: My wife makes a certain sound at our cat. Sort of an “aww” sound. This morning the cat walks into our room and makes the exact same sound. Uncanny…

  40. 40.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 8:19 am

    @gene108: You left out an almost attempted assassination of President-elect Kennedy and the attempted assassination of President Truman at Blair House.

  41. 41.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:19 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: And the guy who threw his shoe at “W”

  42. 42.

    debbie

    August 13, 2016 at 8:21 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    For the first time in years, I’ve been able to go to a farmer’s market. The peaches they sell are the best I’ve ever had. I’ll never go store-bought again.

  43. 43.

    Kenneth Kohl

    August 13, 2016 at 8:23 am

    @HRA: It probably wasn’t meant to be funny…

  44. 44.

    debbie

    August 13, 2016 at 8:23 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Since so many GOP politicians are disavowing Trump, I wonder if Reince’s continuing and vocal support of Trump will mean the end of his career at the RNC after the election.

  45. 45.

    gene108

    August 13, 2016 at 8:25 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    It was not a comprehensive list. I did not know about the assassination attempts you mentioned.

    Going back a bit there was a failed assassination attempt of President-elect Lincoln as he was making his way to his first inauguration, in 1861.

    And more recently there was also the gunman, in the 1990’s, who sprayed bullets at the White House, leading to the 1600 block of Pennsylvania Ave being closed to automobile traffic for a few years.

  46. 46.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:26 am

    @debbie: We go to our farmer’s market twice a week. It’s great to buy direct from the grower. Lettuce, tomatoes, onions and everything else has more flavor than the supermarket stuff. And live music. Also, the League of Women Voters always has a table, answering questions and registering folks.

  47. 47.

    hovercraft

    August 13, 2016 at 8:28 am

    @Baud:
    The indictment is being hidden in the vault that houses the ‘whitey tape’, they will both be this years October surprise. When the voters see them, they will realize that Michelle is the real racist, and Hillary is corrupt.

  48. 48.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:29 am

    @Aleta:

    Finally some real dogs across the road began to join in, and I had to insist that he leave his echo before everyone’s barks began ricocheting out of control.

    Remember the “twilight bark” from the 101 Dalmatians cartoon?

  49. 49.

    debbie

    August 13, 2016 at 8:29 am

    @germy:

    I mostly started going because I wanted real tomatoes, but OMG, the peaches and cherries that actually last and taste good for a week! I’m hoping the weight drops off in the fall.

  50. 50.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:32 am

    @debbie: Some people have a table set up where they answer questions. If something is growing in your yard and you’re not sure what it is, you can bring a sample and they’ll identify it for you.

    Dogs are allowed (leashed) and it’s fun seeing all the different breeds walking around, from the tiniest to the biggest.

  51. 51.

    hovercraft

    August 13, 2016 at 8:34 am

    @debbie:
    Katy Tur reports that going forward he will have a ‘senior’ advisor ( e.g. Manafort or Prius) with him at all of his rallies and when he travels, as a ‘chaperone’. They will attempt to keep him on message and away from controversy.
    SAD !

  52. 52.

    Barb2

    August 13, 2016 at 8:35 am

    Panic time for Trump – his version of get out the vote different than the Democrats get out the vote. A real get out the vote effort costs millions – so he claims he has won key states. Any other outcome means the Dems are cheating. He is bats*it crazy. Or just a con artist.

    Then the the right wing nut jobs continue to make up stuff about Clinton? Her health – damn she keeps on campaigning like the energizer bunny – she keeps going. (That’s the Clinton Derangement Syndrome – and phoney medical experts making diagnosis of a new aliment every day.) Rawstory.com and memorandum.Com have two or three different stories. I don’t bother to read the trash.

    Trump is off on another rant – this time racist. Claiming if he doesn’t win X state then that’s proof of vote rigging. Is he encouraging harassment of black voters – who he claims will be voting several times?

    Nice touch – Trumps photo makes him look manic. Photographers are catching something – freezing that manic moment as Trump goes off the rails yet again.

    Does Trump seem even more manic than usual?

    The cartoonists seem to be picking up on a theme. Headlines seem to suggest something is flipping.

  53. 53.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:36 am

    @hovercraft: How do they expect to control him? Short of jumping onstage and covering his mouth mid-speech?

  54. 54.

    SFAW

    August 13, 2016 at 8:38 am

    @debbie:

    Since so many GOP politicians are disavowing Trump, I wonder if Reince’s continuing and vocal support of Trump will mean the end of his career at the RNC after the election.

    I heard he was “retiring undefeated” after this election anyway.

    But the most interesting rumor I may have heard was the one that has DWS being his successor.

  55. 55.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:38 am

    He tells his audience to “hang around at the polls and keep your eyes on things.”

    But from what I understand, you’re not allowed to loiter at polling places? Unless you’re an official poll watcher… otherwise, isn’t it just intimidation, standing around and staring angrily at voters?

  56. 56.

    ThresherK

    August 13, 2016 at 8:38 am

    @gene108: Strictly from memory: Didn’t some AWM (angry white man) fly a small Piper Cub-sized airplane into the White House when Clinton was president? He wasn’t there at the time, but it was part of Angry White Man stuff and not taken like a very serious threat in the press.

    (I’m too lazy on this hot a Saturday to Yahoogle it.)

  57. 57.

    SFAW

    August 13, 2016 at 8:39 am

    @hovercraft:

    he will have a ‘senior’ advisor ( e.g. Manafort or Prius)

    … or Lewandowski

  58. 58.

    raven

    August 13, 2016 at 8:39 am

    @Comrade Scrutinizer: She moved to Australia and I think she’s taking a break on the blog. She’s under Thompson on her FB. I’ll say hey.

    I checked her blog and the last entry was 2009

    http://katherinemeta.blogspot.com/

  59. 59.

    debbie

    August 13, 2016 at 8:39 am

    @hovercraft:

    Will the chaperone whisper commands from offstage or stand behind Trump and just pull the string out of Trump’s back?

    @Barb2:

    Claiming if he doesn’t win X state then that’s proof of vote rigging. Is he encouraging harassment of black voters

    Even if he’s not suggesting harassing voters, you know that’s how his people will interpret Trump’s statement.

  60. 60.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 8:40 am

    @ThresherK: I don’t remember that but it’s entirely possible. It wouldn’t have gotten the coverage it would get today.

  61. 61.

    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 8:44 am

    @WereBear: Science is really just getting started on understanding animal communication. I love reading about that stuff.

  62. 62.

    hovercraft

    August 13, 2016 at 8:45 am

    @germy:
    Maybe they’ll have a mickey slipped into his drink? Hypnosis ? Maybe give him a an earpiece and whisper into his ear, every time he goes off script? Even in the report Katy said they are desperate, they are trying, but the only person he listens consistently is himself.

  63. 63.

    Wapiti

    August 13, 2016 at 8:49 am

    @germy:

    How do they expect to control him? Short of jumping onstage and covering his mouth mid-speech?

    Maybe they could use a shock collar? Would the Secret Service have to react to someone shocking the candidate if the candidate put on the collar?

  64. 64.

    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 8:49 am

    Well-adjusted people are all different. Narcissists are all alike.

    Control Trump? Who are they kidding?!?!?!

    His own father shipped him off to military school. He’s burned through multiple wives. He doesn’t seem to have friends, merely employees. (Children are extensions of a narcissist’s ego, and are favored, or not, accordingly.) And while he’s not as rich as he claims, he has the undeniable ability to spend money, from somewhere.

    They do what they want. They can easily become dangerous if an “ego wound” is involved.

    I just ran across a reminder of the Christopher Longo case; I think a movie is coming out? He was a Jehovah’s Witness, a seemingly normal person who married his high school sweetheart, had three children, rose in a corporate job and started a business.

    But when things went sour, he stole, forged checks, and eventually murdered his family to attempt starting life over in Mexico. I mean, he could have just run away and created a new identity, but he did not and could not do that: because then his wife and children would not think well of him.

    Narcissists. Rather more scary than sociopaths from some angles.

  65. 65.

    hovercraft

    August 13, 2016 at 8:50 am

    @debbie:
    Thats why he is asking for Sheriffs and police to monitor certain ‘areas’ in PA where they are know to allow people to vote again and again and again. And it just so happens that those ares are heavily populated by minorities, and that is also the last place the New Black Panther operatives were spotted, intimidating voters on the way to the voting booth.

  66. 66.

    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @satby: Yes, look at how easily great apes, when given modes of communication, take to them.

  67. 67.

    bystander

    August 13, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @Comrade Scrutinizer: @Baud:

    Thanks for the reality check. Putting the Xanax bottle back in the medicine cabinet.

  68. 68.

    ThresherK

    August 13, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @germy: Here it is (I’ve had some caffeine).

    The pilot is described as “apolitical and suicidal”, and was killed on impact. I take back what I said about him.

  69. 69.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 8:55 am

    @hovercraft:
    @debbie:

    Cyrano de Manafort.

  70. 70.

    Cat48

    August 13, 2016 at 8:59 am

    I don’t think Trump knows what to do first. He has asked the RNC to open a campaign office for him in every state. RNC thinks it’s ridiculous & too expensive. I think it’s hysterical. The man has no idea how to run a campaign.

  71. 71.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 9:04 am

    @Cat48:

    The man has no idea how to run a campaign.

    Nor will he listen to those that do.

    Trump’s biggest problem is that he thinks he is ALWAYS the smartest guy in the room. That, however is rarely if ever the case.

  72. 72.

    Luthe

    August 13, 2016 at 9:05 am

    @germy: Giant hook to pull him off the stage if he goes off message.

  73. 73.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 9:06 am

    @Luthe: A Gong Show type gong would be awesome.

  74. 74.

    MattF

    August 13, 2016 at 9:07 am

    @hovercraft: And how will that work? Turn off his mic? Spring the trap door under the podium?

  75. 75.

    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 9:08 am

    I don’t know if this link will work because FB, but this is hysterical.

  76. 76.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 9:13 am

    @hovercraft:

    Maybe give him a an earpiece and whisper into his ear, every time he goes off script?

    Didn’t “W” have that during one of his presidential debates?

  77. 77.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 9:15 am

    @Luthe:

    Giant hook to pull him off the stage if he goes off message.

    His rallies are already vaudeville, so why not?

  78. 78.

    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 9:17 am

    @satby: Thanks, I have been wanting to track down Stonekettle Station on Facebook, I hear it is great.

    But, in typical Facebook fashion, it constantly gets in the way of what I want to do until I give up.

  79. 79.

    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 9:19 am

    Naw, the way to do this is they hire a Trump look-a-like who will stick to the script.

    The real Trump will be back in his hotel suite, hooked into one of those virtual reality headsets, where he is winning!

    That’s how to solve a problem like The Donald.

  80. 80.

    Schlemazel

    August 13, 2016 at 9:26 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: :Drumpf’s biggest problem is that he thinks he is ALWAYS the smartest guy in the room. That, however is rarely if ever NEVER the case.”
    FTFY

    Rumor has it that junior wants to run for mayor of NYC. My guess is that daddy dearest is screwing juniors pooch for him.

  81. 81.

    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 9:29 am

    @WereBear: That’s probably the blueprint. If it isn’t, don’t be giving them ideas.

  82. 82.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    August 13, 2016 at 9:30 am

    News Flash: Scientists have determined that Stone Age people threw rocks to kill animals. But not without generating this gold plated wonder of a sentence:

    “Using research on the perception of affordances (the possibility of an action on an object or environment) for maximum distance and therefore maximum speed and damage throwing, the researchers simulated the projectile motions the spheroids would undergo if thrown by an expert. “

    Hell, Dizzy Dean could have told them that.
    It’s a short article and worth reading.

  83. 83.

    Mike J

    August 13, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Leicester just lost to a newly promoted team that doesn’t have a manager. Do we have a new Cinderella?

    And in their honor, here’s the single from the album London 0 Hull 4

  84. 84.

    Humdog

    August 13, 2016 at 9:36 am

    Did I miss a discussion of Charlie Pierce calling out our very own Betty Cracker on Friday? He did not want the Sully Award.

  85. 85.

    Schlemazel

    August 13, 2016 at 9:40 am

    @WereBear:
    How do you solve a problem like the donald?
    How do you shut his mouth and pin it down?
    How do you stop a turd as mean as Orange Don?
    A flibbing-a-jittery! A willful shit storm! A clown!
    Many a thing you know you’d like to tell him
    Many a thing he cannot understand
    But how do you make him stay
    And listen to all you say
    How do you keep his scat under the sand
    Oh, how do you solve a problem like the donald?

    With no apologies to Rogers and Hammerstein as I was only joking!

  86. 86.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 9:40 am

    @Humdog:. Haha. Got a link?

    I’m with Betty.

  87. 87.

    Thoughtful David

    August 13, 2016 at 9:42 am

    @Comrade Scrutinizer:
    Political cartoons aren’t necessarily intended to be humorous. They may be but don’t have to be, and through history they have not always been.

  88. 88.

    Peale

    August 13, 2016 at 9:43 am

    @Schlemazel: yep. We got a look at the family during the convention and found the whole clan wanting.

  89. 89.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 9:43 am

    @Baud: She has chickens that’ll peck your eyes out, what does Mr. Pierce have?

  90. 90.

    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 9:43 am

    @Schlemazel: LOL! Good one.

    I have stopped calling him a clown because that is an insult to clowns.

  91. 91.

    Humdog

    August 13, 2016 at 9:44 am

    Let’s Tyra link . Never tried to link before.

  92. 92.

    Jeffro

    August 13, 2016 at 9:45 am

    @Amir Khalid: come on you Spurs !!!

  93. 93.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 9:47 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: A fainting couch, apparently.

  94. 94.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 9:50 am

    @Humdog: one two many http’s in the beginning.

    Lame response. Betty got his number.

  95. 95.

    Elmo

    August 13, 2016 at 9:52 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I feel your pain. We had a nectarine tree in the backyard until I was 11. I’m almost 50 years old and haven’t truly enjoyed a nectarine since.

    I’m trying to grow one now, in Southern MD. The books all say it’s possible – the local farmers who grow peaches all say give it up, they’re too persnickety. Dammit.

  96. 96.

    Agrippa

    August 13, 2016 at 9:55 am

    I do not know what Trump – a bitter and vindictive old white man – is going to do. But, I do think that he will get worse as time goes on and the pressure builds. The decompensation may get more serious.

  97. 97.

    Johnnybuck

    August 13, 2016 at 9:56 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Hurt fee-fees apparently.

  98. 98.

    pamelabrown53

    August 13, 2016 at 9:58 am

    @Baud: #93
    Baud, could you point me to the post where Pierce replies to Betty? Thanks.

  99. 99.

    Humdog

    August 13, 2016 at 9:58 am

    @Baud: was he calling Betty Ms. littlefeather? I don’t understand the name unless it has to do with Betty’s chickens. I liked that he noted and linked to criticism of his position, but he did not attempt to answer it. Lame indeed.

  100. 100.

    Schlemazel

    August 13, 2016 at 9:59 am

    @WereBear:
    Agreed but clown fits (and not just because Dick & Oscar put it there)

    He is an evil clown though, like John Wayne Gacy

  101. 101.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 9:59 am

    @Humdog: Yep. Apparently, “Kissinger bad” is a sophisticated as response as he can muster.

  102. 102.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 13, 2016 at 10:00 am

    Pierce responded to Betty? If anybody’s got a link I’d like to see that. In other Firebagger news (I wouldn’t normally put Pierce in that category, but every once in a while…. oy) Thomas Frank has declared that Trump’s implosion means the end of HRC’s progressive feint. I’m almost curious to slog through it to see if his Precious Self makes any mention that the Senate is still just about a 50/50 proposition–fucking Portman? Seriously, Ohio?– and the House a considerable longshot.

  103. 103.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 10:01 am

    @pamelabrown53:

    Here.

  104. 104.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 10:01 am

    @Baud: That does seem to be the totality of his response, though I thought the statement to be read by Miss Littlefeather was a nice touch.

  105. 105.

    Schlemazel

    August 13, 2016 at 10:02 am

    @Humdog:
    Marlon Brando sent a native American, Sashen(?) Littlefeather up to refuse his Academy Award & highlight the plight of Native Americans.

    I read this as him poking fun back more than butthurt. YMMV

  106. 106.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    August 13, 2016 at 10:03 am

    @Baud:
    Pierce has been calling Kissinger a war criminal as long as I’ve been reading him. He feels really strongly about that apparently. But voting for Johnson over that? I don’t agree.

  107. 107.

    ThresherK

    August 13, 2016 at 10:04 am

    @Agrippa: “Decompensation”? He already has a history of not paying his contractors what he’s obligated.

    Is this an autocorrect from “overcompensation” (re his tiny hands)?

    But, yeah, this Mr. Potter’s not gonna turn in to George Bailey.

  108. 108.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 10:05 am

    @Humdog: It’s a reference to Brando declining the Oscar for The Godfather, he sent a young woman to read his statement(I think there was a question as to whether she was actually Native American).

  109. 109.

    bemused

    August 13, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @Aleta:

    When we hear wolves howling, yipping at each other in the night, our dogs stay very, very quiet.

  110. 110.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 13, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @Baud: I’m sorry, but I cannot in good faith accept your award, but I will send Ms. Littlefeather up to read a short statement on behalf of 20,000 Chileans, 30,000 Argentines, 200,000 East Timorese, and a few million Cambodians who cannot be with us tonight because Hillary Rodham Clinton’s dinner companion had to exercise his Metternichian bloodlust on their various countries.
    Thank you, though.

    a lot of this is the negative version of what Jeffry Goldberg, no liberal or peacenik, calls the Carly Simon Fallacy, we’re so vain that we think every event in the world is the result of US action or lack thereof. People like McCain think every bad thing in the world is because we didn’t sent troops to fix it, Pierce and our own “liberal” think every bad thing that happens is because of US interference. “Liberal” once explained that HRC caused all that nefarious business in Honduras by making phone calls.

    that said: It makes no sense to me to be either courting HK’s endorsement or trumpeting his friendship. How many nonagenarian Nixon fans are on the fence, waiting to be swayed into HRC’s camp? I don’t like Colin Powell, but his endorsement could, I suspect, actually make a difference.

  111. 111.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Thomas Frank has declared that Trump’s implosion means the end of HRC’s progressive feint.

    In the real world

    Quick Takes: Clinton Tells GOP Defectors “You Get Nothing”

    Clinton’s economic concessions to Republicans: Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

  112. 112.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 10:08 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: It must be nice to be able to be so pure, on the other hand some of us live in the real world.

    (As I’ve noted before, I used to work for Satan.)

  113. 113.

    TS

    August 13, 2016 at 10:11 am

    @Baud:

    Lame response. Betty got his number.

    Doing the GOP’s work for them. Appears to be blaming Hillary Clinton for everything done by any person she met over the years of her political career.

  114. 114.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 10:11 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    My understanding is that Clinton is “courting” every living foreign policy big shot to give the accurate statement that Trump is unfit to lead. Trump is the clear and present danger to this country, not some old FP has-beens.

  115. 115.

    O. Felix Culpa

    August 13, 2016 at 10:13 am

    Words are losing their meaning:

    Donald Trump claimed repeatedly this week that President Obama was “the founder” of the Islamic State in a more meaningful sense than radio host Hugh Hewitt’s suggestion that Obama “created the vacuum, he lost the peace.” Early Friday morning, Trump finally backtracked, tweeting: “Ratings challenged @CNN reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) ‘the founder’ of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON’T GET SARCASM?” By the afternoon, however, Trump left the whole thing ambiguous. “Obviously I’m being sarcastic — but not that sarcastic, to be honest with you,” he said in Pennsylvania.

  116. 116.

    Humdog

    August 13, 2016 at 10:14 am

    But, JimFL, Pierce said he would turn on HRC if she did not repudiate any endorsement from Kissinger. There is no report that Hillary is courting one, but if one comes, I’d say she should just ignore it. Pierce wants her to start a new fight now if HK recognizes there is only one sane choice this November. Absurd!

  117. 117.

    geg6

    August 13, 2016 at 10:14 am

    @Humdog:

    Littlefeather is the name of the Native American woman who Brando sent to give the finger, basically, when he won his Oscar, an infamous protest at the time.

  118. 118.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    August 13, 2016 at 10:15 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    Andy Borowitz to the rescue:Trump Blasts Media for Reporting Things He Says

    “I’ll say something at a rally and I look out and see all these TV cameras taking every word down,” Trump told Fox News’s Sean Hannity. “No one in politics has ever been subjected to this kind of treatment.”

    In this case the title is so accurate.

  119. 119.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    August 13, 2016 at 10:15 am

    @raven: Thanks Raven!

  120. 120.

    D58826

    August 13, 2016 at 10:15 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    calls the Carly Simon Fallacy, we’re so vain that we think every event in the world is the result of US action or lack thereof.

    Beat me to it.
    The world has been spinning out history for a lot longer than there have been American Presidents to provide ‘leadership’, ‘decisive action’ or ‘resolve’
    We just can’t seem to get our head around the fact that the other side/sides have a vote and they will react to American action or inaction. Maybe Obama should/could have done something differently in Syria in 2013 but that doesn’t mean that the outcome in 2016 would have been any better. It could just as easily created a worse outcome. Unfortunately we can’t run double blind experiments in foreign policy.

  121. 121.

    oldgold

    August 13, 2016 at 10:16 am

    Pierce is overrated.

    Yes, he occasionally pens a pithy sentence, but the substance of what he writes is ho-hum.

    Pierce has been exposed as not ready for prime time during his recent television appearances.

  122. 122.

    Peale

    August 13, 2016 at 10:18 am

    @Baud: yep. Although a bunch of commentators at a site more truly progressive than this one are convinced that she’s already moved to the right and triangulated everything away.

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    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 10:20 am

    @D58826: I’m still not sure what we did in Syria except get them to give up their chemical weapons. I know we’re doing stuff now due to ISIS, but the chief attack on Obama’s policy has been from the right in that he should have been more aggressive.

  124. 124.

    pamelabrown53

    August 13, 2016 at 10:20 am

    @Baud:
    Thanks for making the effort. Much appreciated.

  125. 125.

    Peale

    August 13, 2016 at 10:22 am

    @Humdog: well we have to make certain every election is a reevaluation of Vietnam. Boomers and Silents wouldn’t have any political reference points otherwise.

  126. 126.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 10:23 am

    @Peale: She will certainly be more “to the right” than progressives will like, just like Obama was. But she hasn’t “moved” to the right at all.

  127. 127.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 10:24 am

    @Peale: Hopefully we can get through the election intact, but afterwards, we have a tea party of the left problem we’ll have to deal with.

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    ThresherK

    August 13, 2016 at 10:24 am

    @Baud: So, she’s told these R’s who’ve jumped off a burning garbage scow and onto her bandwagon, “Don’t pretend you’ve been leading it?” Good for her.

    I’ve always wondered what goes through the mind of someone who buys a team jersey at the Super Bowl when there’s five minutes left in a thoroughly decided game. Going forward, I hope we get the chance to find out.

  129. 129.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 13, 2016 at 10:25 am

    @Baud: you’d think the fact that Evan Bayh is one of the big reasons Dems might, still just “might”, retake the Senate would give people some perspective on how widespread the great populist movement of 2016 actually is. But nooo-oooo-oooo.

    Because I too am an old who thinks my forty year old pop culture references are still with it.

  130. 130.

    Kathleen

    August 13, 2016 at 10:27 am

    @Aleta: I responded to late on previous thread where you commented on Hard Day’s Night. Great movie and great album. I saw movie 3 times in the theater (back in the old days when dinosaurs held our TV’s “rabbit ears”.

  131. 131.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 10:28 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: There are a lot of small, mostly white Bernie states where the Dems are weak and you would think would be prime pickings for a populist left. That’s where I’d like to see them prove themselves.

  132. 132.

    Kathleen

    August 13, 2016 at 10:29 am

    @Cat48: The always reliable, far and balanced NPR reported on the obligatory “concerns about” this morning on Weekend Edition.

  133. 133.

    Lurker Extraordinaire

    August 13, 2016 at 10:30 am

    @Baud: The Presidents of the United States of America. How fitting! One of my favorite bands.

  134. 134.

    Jeffro

    August 13, 2016 at 10:31 am

    @Baud: Loved the two “you get nothing” articles Baud, thanks! Good for HRC – no need to swing right, she’s winning handily just the way she is! (also liked how the one article noted coal miners would be better paid as solar techs, how that ties to quality education, and so on)

  135. 135.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 10:31 am

    @Peale: Paintin’ with a mighty broad brush there Picaso. I’m a boomer and was barely a teen when we left Vietnam.

  136. 136.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 10:32 am

    After someone made a blowjob joke on a Hillary thread, the hilarious Kate Powers wrote the following:

    “Wait? Are you saying Hillary and Bill Clinton have struggled with marital infidelity? I don’t…. are you sure? I mean, I would have heard something about this sooner, surely? You can’t just elect a woman president if she’s married to a guy who feels and acts on his attraction to other women. How will she handle negotiations with Russia if her husband gets an erection at the thought of another woman? How will she reach legislative compromises with Congress if her husband has had another woman’s mouth on his penis?

    YOU GUYS. In the event of another domestic terrorist attack, how will she spend hours in the situation room, strategizing with our military and intelligence agencies to protect our citizens if her husband is, at that exact second, fucking someone who is not her?

    (Hold on. Is she even still president if her husband’s penis is inside another woman? Or is that woman now president? I just… well, obviously a man’s penis and where he puts it is such a major factor in how his wife would perform as President of the United States, it’s hard for me to keep all the rules straight. Or maybe I’m just having trouble thinking clearly because Michael is currently looking at a picture of Giulietta Masina.)
    That’s it. I need to take a much closer look at Jill Stein. And specifically, Mr. Stein’s sexual preferences.”

  137. 137.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 10:33 am

    @Baud: The Greens only run for President.

  138. 138.

    Kathleen

    August 13, 2016 at 10:33 am

    @debbie: That may be Reince is wishing for. With a golden parachute of course, because absolute failure deserves to be handsomely rewarded.

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    D58826

    August 13, 2016 at 10:34 am

    @Baud: If Obama had parted the Red Sea for Mosses, the RWNJ would complain about the poor fish that died as a result. (sigh)

  140. 140.

    Jeffro

    August 13, 2016 at 10:35 am

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): In other words, “Let me be ‘Me’ when I’m with my people, and quit turning off the rest of the country by accurately reporting it!!”

    Kind of like Mitt and his “47%” remarks…

    I’ll say this for our side and its leaders (and K-Thug has already noted this, in comparing the two parties’ fortunes): at least our party largely stands for its stated principles, and largely delivers (or at least visibly tries to deliver) for its constituents. You know, the way politicians/parties are supposed to?

    Once they quit servicing the 1%, I’m sure the GOPbwa-hah-hah…I’m sorry, I just couldn’t finish that sentence…

  141. 141.

    Johnnybuck

    August 13, 2016 at 10:35 am

    @Humdog:

    Pierce wants her to start a new fight now if HK recognizes there is only one sane choice this November

    This. I’d say that most Americans think HK is a respected elder statesman of foreign policy. It doesn’t make them right of course, just ignorant. No reason to make a big hairy deal about it to assuage the feelings of the precious.
    Charlie should just go back to sports, he seems to be fighting above his weight when it comes to politics.

  142. 142.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 10:36 am

    @D58826:

    If Obama had parted the Red Sea for Mosses

    Wait, he didn’t part the Red Sea; obviously another Obummer failure. SAD!

  143. 143.

    oldgold

    August 13, 2016 at 10:38 am

    @Johnnybuck:

    Charlie should just go back to sports, he seems to be fighting above his weight when it comes to politics.

    Bingo!

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    Jim

    August 13, 2016 at 10:42 am

    There was an attempted assignation of Andrew Jackson that was thwarted by wait for it… Davy Crockett. Yes really. Also the gun didn’t fire.

  145. 145.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 10:42 am

    @D58826:

    If Obama had parted the Red Sea for Moses, the RWNJ would complain about the poor fish that died as a result.

    And liberals would complain he unfairly favored Israel?

    [ducks]

  146. 146.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    August 13, 2016 at 10:43 am

    @Luthe: The only time Trump says anything semi-coherent these days is when he’s using a teleprompter. If he has events going forward that aren’t scripted with a teleprompter, he’s going to say stupid, inflammatory, and dangerous things. And he’ll get even more free publicity about it.

    He can’t use a teleprompter during a debate, so some reason will be constructed so that he won’t debate Hillary.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    August 13, 2016 at 10:47 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Its the same sad story as always, the Ohio Dems can’t fundraise to save their own bacon while the Ohio GOP is doing the Scrooge McDuck backstroke. Portman’s been killing Strickland over the airwaves. Ted’s only chance at this point is Clinton’s coattails and the Short Fingered Vulgarian boat anchor.

  148. 148.

    Kathleen

    August 13, 2016 at 10:47 am

    @TS: Hillary and Obama are always ruffling his delicate Dudebro sensitivities.

  149. 149.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 13, 2016 at 10:47 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: My theory(and Josh Marshal’s) is that he’ll refuse to debate unless Gov. Johnson and Dr. Stein are included. That’ll be a non-starter for HRC, so no debates.

  150. 150.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 13, 2016 at 10:49 am

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-: IRC, didn’t the Ohio Teamsters endorse Portman? I can’t even begin to imagine the logic there

  151. 151.

    Kathleen

    August 13, 2016 at 10:50 am

    @oldgold: I think BJ has writers and analysts/thinkers who are better than Pierce. Also, too BJ commenteriat.

  152. 152.

    JPL

    August 13, 2016 at 10:51 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: The media is already being unfair to him, so why bother debating.
    I love that babysitters will now accompany him on debates. Hopefully Sen. Warren tweets about this development soon.

  153. 153.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    August 13, 2016 at 10:56 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’d love to pick Kay’s brain on what happened there. Good grief.

  154. 154.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    August 13, 2016 at 10:56 am

    LOL at the Luckovich cartoon. He’s the best, hands down. Got me through a few of those Bush years – I had one of his cartoons over my work desk for years, just in case any conservative co-workers felt inclined to share their opinions with me.

    For that idiot phoney baloney pearl clutching WarriorWoman cosplaying BoBer who commented on Betty’s Sully award post the other day about Clinton electronically stealing the election:

    stuart stevens
    ‏@stuartpstevens

    Trump’s problem in Pa isn’t black voters in Philly it’s suburban white voters in the collar counties. He’s losing by record amounts.

    Psychiatrists will some day study the effect of Bernie Sanders on creating mass delusion in a certain subset of weak minded suggestive white people.

  155. 155.

    Peale

    August 13, 2016 at 10:59 am

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-: per Kay, Strickland has been doing a poor job mobilizing actual Democratic Party voters because he’s too focused on appealing to rural voters who he imagines fit better in the party. Or he can’t imagine a party that’s not bout reclaiming those votes. So he’s running Jim Web’s presidential campaign.

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    debbie

    August 13, 2016 at 11:06 am

    @Baud:

    “Deal with”?

  157. 157.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 11:13 am

    @debbie: Somethings gotta give. We are a reality based community.

  158. 158.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    August 13, 2016 at 11:16 am

    @Humdog: Charlie’s a great writer, but he has a blind spot when it comes to how politics actually works sometimes. That’s fine – great writers often need to distill a topic and reduce shades of grey. But it doesn’t mean that their take on a topic is the best reflection of reality.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  159. 159.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 11:17 am

    @debbie: Villago Delenda Est!

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    satby

    August 13, 2016 at 11:17 am

    @debbie: We, the sanity based, can’t let them take over the way the Teabaggers on the right have done to the Rs.

  161. 161.

    germy

    August 13, 2016 at 11:21 am

    when I vote this November, will there be a gaggle of angry white men wearing MakeAmericaGreatAgain caps glaring at me the whole time? Will they demand to see my papers?

  162. 162.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 13, 2016 at 11:22 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: I’m a huge Pierce fan, I like his baroque insults and and as an atheist I like having a liberal who is actually conversant with religion and scripture etc (See also, the unfortunately Bernie-locked John Fuglesang), but he does buy too easily into the Cult of the Presidency-fueled hysterics about Obama, and to forget that not just Congress but voters actually play a role in our politics– Blue Dogs (2009-10) and Republicans (2011- now) don’t have power because Obama wants to compromise with them, they have power because people voted for them.

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    WereBear

    August 13, 2016 at 11:24 am

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Aaaaand the Onion goes out of business.

  164. 164.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    August 13, 2016 at 11:28 am

    @WereBear:
    Has anyone ever seen Trump and Andy Kaufman* in the same place? Because I swear to Bob this looks more and more like an elaborate put-on.

    * I know.

  165. 165.

    Britlaw

    August 13, 2016 at 11:31 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    I’ve always thought Reince Priebus sounded more like a line from a proctologist’s instruction manual than an actual name.

  166. 166.

    MaryRC

    August 13, 2016 at 11:31 am

    @Amir Khalid: Oh Conrad, bless his heart. I read Conrad’s article when it was first published at the end of July and even then we knew that his complacent assumption that

    The best is yet to come: the last refuge of his opponents is that Trump will be an undignified and frightening candidate. He will be the sane and educated man he is.

    was utter BS. The ensuing 3 weeks have just confirmed this over and over.

    The sad thing about Conrad is that despite his fawning over Trump, Trump would despise him if he even knew who he was. Conrad Black has lost his newspaper empire, his fortune and his influence and to Trump, he’s just a looooooser.

  167. 167.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 13, 2016 at 11:34 am

    Has Trump lost all his marbles? I am not his target audience but he is sounding increasingly crazy to me.

  168. 168.

    J R in WV

    August 13, 2016 at 11:35 am

    @HRA:

    I cannot see the humor or the intent in bringing up the assassination of President Kennedy in any way at all.

    Not so much humour as equating Donald Trump and Lee Harvey Oswald (or whomever was on the grass knoll) – following his recent second amendment remarks about Ms Clinton.

    Are you not aware of political cartoons? They run on what are called editorial pages, or on political blogs now-a-days. Like this one?

  169. 169.

    trollhattan

    August 13, 2016 at 11:54 am

    @Britlaw:
    It’s the answer to “What do you do with a dirty Priebus? “

  170. 170.

    gene108

    August 13, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    The Phily suburbs (I assume that’s what is meant by “collar counties”, as I’ve never heard the term before) leaned Republican, until the last 10 years or so.

    They are the folks that kept electing Arlen Specter to the Senate.

    The Southern Fundie takeover of the Republican Party has swung the ‘burbs towards the Democrats.

  171. 171.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    August 13, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    @gene108:

    Trump’s only ‘good’ purpose this cycle has been to distill out the white nationalists, uneducated gomers, bubble dwelling Alex Jones conspiracy theorists and the clinically insane (lots of overlaps in those groups) from the David Brooks wing of the GOP. None of the Republican leaners in the suburbs could ever imagine anyone at these Trump rallies at their backyard parties. Trump’s floor is 27% as we know, but his ceiling is about 40% I think.

  172. 172.

    debbie

    August 13, 2016 at 12:31 pm

    @ baud et al.:

    You know, there are more choices than the two extremes you’re pointing to. You sound as if you’re pushing for Party Purity over Big Tent Diversity. I hear “dealing with,” and I think, what’s next, a Dem version of the Hastert Rule? A Party Purge?

    Are the Bernie supporters annoying? Of course, but so are small children on long car rides. You don’t toss them out the back window, and you shouldn’t either for Sanders’ supporters. I think overall they have been a positive force. Clinton’s now less pro-business and -bank, and she’s stopped talking about only working on issues she can get passed. Now she strives and reaches for better for everyone (just like Obama). That’s the whole point of “Working Together” and of the Dem convention which was clearly more positive and empowering than anything seen in Cleveland. None of this would have happened without Sanders.

    The more strident bros will move elsewhere without your assistance, but please don’t discourage anyone from being a part of the party. Let them deal with themselves as they determine what it is they really want.

  173. 173.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    @debbie: I’m not trying to kick anyone out who wants to be part of the coalition. But just like we tell Dems not to chase centrists because no one wants Republican lite, I don’t want to see Dems chasing the small minority of progressives who won’t accept progressive lite. My initial comment was in response to something Thomas Frank apparently said, and he seems like one of those people who are beyond our reach. We’ll have to find our votes elsewhere.

  174. 174.

    Kay

    August 13, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    I feel like we deserve a dramatic exit from Trump after coddling his ego so long- something definitive- a big hissy fit where he storms off the stage- “fuck you, I hate you all, losers!”

    This isn’t definitive enough for me. It’s the least he could do.

  175. 175.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    @Kay:

    a big hissy fit where he storms off the stage- “fuck you, I hate you all, losers!”

    Say what you will about Trump, he’s no John Cole.

  176. 176.

    LosGatosCA

    August 13, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    David Brooks wing of the GOP?

    That’s exceedingly small space consisting of David Brooks and Paul Gigot. He’s the fig leaf the establishment Republicans use to hide the robber baron wing (1%) and the Republican base (now the Trump Base, formerly the Tea Party, aka the Buchananites, Birchers, Affirmative Action for mediocre white people league, the CCC, the KKK, etc).

  177. 177.

    Kay

    August 13, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    @Baud:

    He’s supposed to be such a good entertainer- I want a show. Where did Melania go, BTW? They’re not even planning on finishing this performance?

  178. 178.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    @Kay: Apparently, he’s in the swing state of Connecticut tonight.

  179. 179.

    Kay

    August 13, 2016 at 12:59 pm

    @Baud:

    Yesterday he said he wanted to go home. No, sir. His fans paid 90 million dollars. Show’s not over yet.

  180. 180.

    EBT

    August 13, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    @Baud: I too love songs about vulva.

  181. 181.

    Kay

    August 13, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    @Baud:

    No more CT or NYC. North Dakota gets a visit. He should have to spend 4 consecutive days in Erie, PA. Or West Virginia, with “the miners”! Melania and Ivanka can take a mine tour. On a mule.

  182. 182.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    @Kay: Don’t worry. Plenty more grifting left in that old man.

  183. 183.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    @Kay: Maybe he can tour the creation museum with Pence. Shore up his religious right voters.

  184. 184.

    HRA

    August 13, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    @J R in WV:

    I seldom get to see political cartoons (Tom Toles) since I opted for the Sunday paper of our one and only major newspaper.

    I did write humor or intent in my remark knowing others will have a different outlook on this usage of a cartoon for sarcasm. In this Trump driven atmosphere that especially occurred last week where he was nudging violence from one of his followers against HRC, I cannot agree with showing any part of the association with JFK’s assassination.

  185. 185.

    debbie

    August 13, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    @Kay:

    No. He needs to be thoroughly trounced in November. Nothing else will keep him or those like him from trying this stunt again.

  186. 186.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    August 13, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    @Baud: Yeah, they can check out the Ark also too, even though “I can guarantee you it will not float”.

    Grifters gotta gift.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  187. 187.

    Glidwrith

    August 13, 2016 at 1:20 pm

    @HRA: Ummm, why wouldn’t you associate Deadbeat’s remark with JFK’s assassination? There are an awful lot of parallels between then and now. Pointing that out might help prevent a repeat of history.

  188. 188.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 13, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    @Baud: In two weeks, he’ll be in the swing state of Oregon. Ron Wyden actually sent me a fund raising email on this, saying that Drumpf thinks he’s competitive in Oregon! Based on what? Internal polling? That he doesn’t do? The fact that he won the GOP primary in a blue state? Oh, sure, over in Grant County, far to the east of the Cascades, I’m sure the Donald is YOOOGE. Multnomah? Washington? Clackamas? Marion? Lane? The counties with all the votes? Not likely…

  189. 189.

    HRA

    August 13, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    @Glidwrith:

    I totally agree!

  190. 190.

    Baud

    August 13, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    @debbie: Agree.

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’ve heard fears that there are enough Stein voters in Oregon to make Oregon competitive for Donald. Don’t know if that’s based on anything real.

  191. 191.

    hugely

    August 13, 2016 at 1:47 pm

    @EBT: i just love vulva – thanks

  192. 192.

    daves09

    August 13, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    @Aleta: My nectarine tree is full and ripe this week-nectarine cobbler, nectarine ice cream, nectarine everything for a few weeks.

  193. 193.

    Glidwrith

    August 13, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: He’s going for the bigot vote, pure and simple. If he shows up in Southern Oregon, that will confirm it. I grew up there – you could scoop the place up and drop it into Kentucky and never know the difference.

  194. 194.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 13, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    @Baud: The Pacific Greens (the Oregon version of the Greens) are desperate to make the cutoff to be a recognized “major” political party. You have to maintain a 1% of the cast votes level to be recognized at all, and you must have at least 5% of the registered voters align with your party via registration to be “major”. A “major” party gets to have primaries.

  195. 195.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 13, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    @Glidwrith: I hear you. Jackson or Josephine? Or Douglas?

  196. 196.

    Glidwrith

    August 13, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Jackson. Ironically, Ashland is in the same valley – rather crunchy due to the college located there. The locals hate them, never recognizing the revenue stream it represents.

  197. 197.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 13, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    @LosGatosCA:

    That’s exceedingly small space consisting of David Brooks and Paul Gigot. He’s the fig leaf the establishment Republicans use to hide the robber baron wing (1%) and the Republican base (now the Trump Base, formerly the Tea Party, aka the Buchananites, Birchers, Affirmative Action for mediocre white people league, the CCC, the KKK, etc).

    Look what happened in Cal – when Brown pealed the corprate conservatives away from the GOP that was it for the Republicans. Without the money paying for the media fear stroking the wingnuts wander off to worry about Alien butt probes or what ever they do normally.

  198. 198.

    sneezy

    August 13, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    @germy:

    How do they expect to control him? Short of jumping onstage and covering his mouth mid-speech?

    I’d go with a shock collar.

  199. 199.

    J R in WV

    August 13, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    @Kathleen:

    I think BJ has writers and analysts/thinkers who are better than Pierce. Also, too BJ commenteriat.

    I would like to think I can think, after all that was my career, thinking about the real world problems of tracking information and how to use a computer to make that better.

    I don’t know it that makes me wise, tho…

  200. 200.

    sukabi

    August 13, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    @HRA: that was a call out to drumpf, who has “suggested” several times that Ted Cruz’s father was involved in Kennedy’s assassination.

  201. 201.

    daves09

    August 13, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    @Kay: Wait for it-by the end of next year she will be another x Mrs. Trump. She’s been exposed, she’s a loser.

  202. 202.

    Ruckus

    August 13, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    I’m a boomer who is several yrs older than you and I resent that bigoted remark about the same as you do. No large group of humans is monolithic. We just aren’t.

  203. 203.

    Aleta

    August 13, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @Kathleen: It really was a great movie, wasn’t it. I watched it again a few years ago and was impressed. It was my 1st, and my only album for many years; I listened to it every day for over a year. I think I was mesmerized by the chords.

  204. 204.

    sukabi

    August 13, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @germy: regular thorazine injections.

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