One of my all-time favorite Balloon Juice threads was this one, especially this comment. The picture of the kid it’s about is gone but I found it again on the internet. 
There are many who say that this is not the most important issue in the world, but what’s up with wing nut “media” types wearing multiple shirts? Here’s new Trump campaign manager Stephen Bannon.
ranchandsyrup
best explanation i’ve seen is that it’s a southern drunk thing — you may sweat through one but not both and undershirts are gauche. i thought it was for collar-popping purposes but apparently not.
Kylroy
Look, he’s doing his level best to keep the world from seeing his bare torso. I, for one, appreciate the effort.
schrodinger's cat
It looks pretty stupid.
Feebog
I think Ranchandsyrup has it about right. More layers to hide the flop sweat while they lie their asses off on national TV.
The Dangerman
The marketing phrase for it is conspicuous consumption; it’s the same reason why Trump has to have his apartment decorated by the same person that did Saddam’s digs.
Keith P.
Bannon’s got Rick Perry’s glasses. This should work out well.
goblue72
Its a preppie douchebro thing. I think it might even go back to preppie 80s look of double polo shirts with popped collars, classically matched with a feathered haircut that screams Jock Villain in a 1980s summer teen flick.
boatboy_srq
The outershirt is Breitbart’s. Bannon doesn’t fit in it, so there’s another layer underneath.
slag
I know lots of people who wear multiple shirts—tshirt + button-down (to look almost like an adult). I know no one who wears multiple collared shirts.
I have to assume the multiple collars would be so consistently annoying and uncomfortable as to help the wearer maintain the requisite rage for the rightwingosphere.
germy
The top photo looks like Ronan Farrow doing a Frank Sinatra impression.
LA Biker
In the immortal words of Garfunkle & Oates, “I’m popping my collar like Limbaugh pops oxy.”
goblue72
@goblue72: Though actually based on the Google it appears my memory is faulty – seems more like its a 2000s or 2010s fashion trend that took the 1980s single polo popped collar look and added a second layer to it.
The Ancient Randonnuer
After nine long years are you sure this isn’t the same guy? It’s hard out here for a honky.
chopper
multiple shirts go with the multiple dildos in the other end. balances out the “chi”.
Roger Moore
@slag:
Almost. Button-down collars are a much weaker alternative to collars with proper removable stays.
Bobby_D
The multi shirt deal was a “thing” about 5-10 years ago. I remember seeing some 20-somethings with about 4 polo shirts layered on, all of them with “popped” collars. It’s like a d-bag ID badge.
David Hunt
My first thought on seeing those photos was that the kid had really let himself go.
Aaron Morrow
They’re cold. After all, weather has a well-known liberal bias.
Doug!
@germy:
ha!
laura
@goblue72: it’s an early-warning system. If you see one, cross the street!
Turgidson
In the 2007 post, the Democratic target of that wingnut’s “investigative journamalism” was Gary Peters. Who…is now a Senator. Heckuva job, champ!
Keith P.
@Bobby_D: Remember the loud button-up prints with the cuffs unbuttoned (and heavily starched)? Man, what a dated look.
Bobby_D
Keith, indeed I do. It got to where the shirt makers were putting “accent” colors and patterns inside the cuffs and collars.
goblue72
@Keith P.: Typically untucked as a “going out shirt”. AKA, a blouse for men.
schrodinger's cat
@Aaron Morrow: They are cold because they are vampires who prey on fear, trying to pass off as human.
Iowa Old Lady
They’re living out of a shopping cart and don’t want anyone to steal their stuff while they’re gone?
slag
@Roger Moore: Though I am a western capitalist pig, the standard western capitalist pig dress code has always befuddled me. Collars, skirts, ties, heels, cuffs, drycleaning requirements, ironing requirements…all adding misery to life in the name power-brokerage.
To me, true power is a carelessly wrinkly hoody and pair of straight cut jeans.
goblue72
@slag: If you live on the West Coast, in some ways it is. Here in the Bay Area, suits are for salesmen. The captains of industry out here (meaning tech) are more likely to be dressed in jeans, a printed t-shirt and a hoodie as much as anything else. Mark Zuckerberg intentionally wearing a hoodie during the Facebook IPO roadshow was entirely a snub to the Manhattan mentality that “real men” were suits.
Matt McIrvin
@slag: Yeah, that’s how Masters of the Universe do it in Silicon Valley.
Keith P.
@goblue72: I’d be tempted to use that, but I already call “salmon” (aka pink) shirts “blouses”. I remember being in a clothing store that had an entire *section* devoted to pink shirts for men. (Disclaimer: I used to work in men’s retail…very high-end. We had some salmon shirts, we had a TON of those blue shirts with white collars back in the 90s, and I remember the owners coming back from the NY show wearing 3-button sports coats) Pink shirts are pretty bad, but those shiny, untucked, popped collars n cuffs prints were possibly the worst of the worst. (although homeboy at the top checks every possible box except for vest and suspenders, which he may very well have on.
hellslittlestangel
I missed this trend. The only guys I’ve ever seen wearing multiple shirts were sleeping on flattened cardboard boxes in the street.
Keith P.
@srv: I’m actually surprised that scalping is illegal in Rio.
goblue72
@Keith P.: There’s a men’s clothing company called UnTuckIt (their ads litter my FB feed) that specializes in men’s collared shirts with bottoms designed to be untucked. Judging by the photos, the shirts are literally blouses for men.
http://www.untuckit.com
Trollhattan
I’ll leave this and pop out for a bit.
slag
@Matt McIrvin: @goblue72: And I think it’s a reasonable symbol of values, to a certain degree.
The “power suit” communicates little more than “I know the rules”. Fuck-you attire communicates “I make the rules”. Double-collar attire communicates, “I know the rules so well I obey them twice whether I need to or not; now you are free to punch me in the face like I know you want to.”
Fair Economist
When did fauxhawks go out of style? I haven’t seen them much for a while, but I wasn’t paying enough attention to notice when they went.
Hildebrand
Always figured that look was for someone too stupid to figure out how to wear an ascot.
gogol's wife
That guy in the bottom picture looks like one of my colleagues. Making me queasy.
SFAW
@Trollhattan:
That looks like O’Queefe, but with 20 percent less sneer
goblue72
@Fair Economist: Sometime shortly after Queer Eye for the Straight Guy was canceled.
Hoodie
It’s a preppie thing, supposed to make you look less dweebie than wearing an undershirt under your button down when not wearing a tie. Of course, one reason for wearing an undershirt is to use a $10 undershirt to protect your $100 dollar buttondown from pit stains, so preppies ruin a $100 polo instead.
SFAW
@Keith P.:
Well, I am now officially a Bad Person. I saw that, and the first “thought” that came to my so-called “mind” was that Trump would use that info to tweet something nasty about Elizabeth Warren.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@Roger Moore: How dare you speak badly of button down collars? I hate the other kind. I’ve worn pretty much nothing but Oxford shirts and khakis since 10th grade.
Trollhattan
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
If you’re not an engineer you need to become one, stat. You’re already wearing the uniform.
debit
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): With a name like Smedley Darlington Prunebanks, of course you do.
cmorenc
@slag:
…such as Mark Zuckerberg – except not sure how often he wears a “hoodie”. True tech power brokers dress in t-shirts and jeans, not Brooks Brothers suits and fancy-collared shirts.
raven
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randy khan
@Keith P.:
I’m not sure why you hate pink shirts. There’s no reason men can’t wear colors that aren’t white or blue.
And, for what it’s worth, the contrasting or patterned fabric on the inside of the collar and/or cuffs never has disappeared. You can see it at Nordstrom in the men’s casual section (some of which is not very casual).
schrodinger's cat
@cmorenc: They are no less psychopathic than the ones that dress in suits. I don’t see a virtue in dressing up like a slob or a clone of Steve Jobs.
Mnemosyne
@Fair Economist:
I saw a baby with a faux hawk today, but I don’t think I’ve seen a teenager or adult with one for a while. Even my 18-year-old nephew gave it up a while ago.
T-shirt under a button-down is a classic look. Button-down or polo under a button-down just looks stupid.
raven
@Mnemosyne: Plenty of em in Athens.
NobodySpecial
Just so you know, that kid Lennox got on the wingnut welfare train: He was last seen working as a campaign coordinator for Ted Cruz in the island areas. Some things just never change.
schrodinger's cat
@randy khan: Baby pink shirts (white with a hint of pink) look very good on most men. On the other hand, I hate the Barbie Princess pink. We have been looking at houses and I can’t tell you how many bedrooms I have seen in that hideous color.
Joel
@slag: I think suits look nice. I wear shitty clothes to work because I work in a lab. But I don’t think they look that awesome.
slag
@schrodinger’s cat: Comfort, practicality, and simplicity.
p.a.
From LOL GOP:
Trump is an amazing real estate guy. He’s converting swing states to blue across the nation.
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne: You know what’s even more stupid, wearing a skirt over a dress. I have seen fashun bloggers do that. Makes your hips look a mile wide and give you bumps and pooches in strange places.
schrodinger's cat
@slag: You don’t need t-shirts to be comfortable.
The Ancient Randonneur
@schrodinger’s cat: It also implies a male dominated culture which it very much is.
schrodinger's cat
@The Ancient Randonneur: True, that Theranos woman dressed up like a Jobs clone too. Pretty pathetic,
goblue72
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): The button-down is an American classic invention (or popularization depending on POV), right up there with the box cut suit, the blue jean, the T-shirt, and the penny loafer. Invented by John E Brooks (of the Brooks Brothers family) during a visit to Victorian England, where he saw polo players had sewn or buttoned down their collars to keep them from flying up while playing.
Nothing wrong with the button down. Its the American style sensibility in a nutshell – taking something more European high fashion and modifying it to a more casual, practical workaday sensibility.
Mnemosyne
@schrodinger’s cat:
I don’t think I’ve seen that yet, but I do remember the days of girls wearing jeans under dresses. That was just weird.
Back in Ye Olden Days, women wore those giant hoop skirts to make their waist look smaller by comparison. Really tight corsets weren’t in fashion until the mid-1800s — before that, the corset wasn’t usually too binding and basically acted as a longline bra.
Then you get to the Regency (Napoleonic) era, where women pretty much did away with all underwear: no corsets, no petticoats, and nobody wore drawers anyway. That’s right — Jane Austen went commando!
JPL
@p.a.: He’ll always have Alabama though.
OT.. So is Trump going to allow Melania out of Trump Tower again?
slag
@The Ancient Randonneur: If you think the hoody is patriarchal, you should look into the history of women’s heeled shoes. There’s no type of dress in American business that does not imply white male domination because America is white male-dominated.
danielx
@NobodySpecial:
And here I was wondering what happened to doucherocket #1. Why am I not surprised?
goblue72
@randy khan: True. I saw a number of men sporting that look (dress shirt with some distinctive alternate pattern inside the collar and cuffs) when I was in Paris this past winter. Seemed to be kind of a “thing”. Reminded me a bit of the kind of bespoke suit you see made on Saville Row where the suit gets lined with a flashy print.
Mike J
@Mnemosyne:
I remember a weird 90s thing where girls wore t shirts under sundresses. I never understood it.
Jeffro
Btw apparently Drudge is riling up the dolt-Right about Obama “giving away the American Internet” or some other such crud…meaning that Internet numbers are going to be assigned by someone other than America. Truly the end is upon us.
Steeplejack (phone)
@The Ancient Randonnuer:
LOL, that was my first thought: this was a “look at this guy now” post.
Gin & Tonic
@goblue72: What I’ve found lately is that people write or say “button-down” shirt not to mean “dress shirt with button-down (as opposed to, say, spread) collar” but to mean, generically, “men’s dress shirt.” You can find examples in this very thread. It’s annoying.
Jeffro
@p.a.: LOLGOP’s a good one to follow…Oliver Willis has been pretty funny lately too
Mnemosyne
@Mike J:
Honestly, it was probably people like me who couldn’t go braless but all the damn sundresses came with spaghetti straps, so we improvised.
Now people just let their bra straps hang out and don’t care. Thanks, Madonna!
gogol's wife
Just noticed the Jacques Tourneur post title.
Mnemosyne
@slag:
Oh, for the good old days when men wore high heels, too!
As is pointed out in that article, it’s not exactly a coincidence that high heels became popular right after WWII when women were being pushed back into the kitchen. Before that, women’s shoes might have a small heel, but nothing like the shoes of the 1940s forward.
pluky
@goblue72: bingo. I went to school with enough to recognize the attitude, even in a picture.
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne: I love the timelessness of a sari. Although, I am pretty fidgety when I wear one, since I wear them so infrequently. So not a picture of grace and poise, when I wear one myself.
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne: Why not, especially when they are pretty?
danielx
I must say that the pics on Huffington Post home page do not present Trump new hires and advisor in the best possible light.
Conway – looks like one of those National Enquirer pics of decaying Hollywood stars, or possibly one of those with botched plastic surgery
Bannon – a really bloated and decadent-looking Christopher Hitchens
Ailes – Boss Hogg with a skin disorder
the Conster, la Citoyenne
I just can’t imagine what all of this campaign doubling down on assholery will accomplish. Is Trump just letting the incompetent bigoted asshole freak flags fly because that’s all he’s got and the Breitbart/Ailes contingent of that particular subset of humanity is along for the ride and the publicity/potential grift, or is there a larger plan? The main stream media is not capable of pushing back against the torrents of lies and sewage now – they’re certainly not going to have any effect against these sewer dwellers. Is Manafort even gone? What a clusterfuckety fuck.
Roger Moore
@slag:
I only go with a full dress outfit on special occasions, but my great grandfather owned a (very) successful men’s clothing store, so I learned about a lot of this stuff growing up. Thankfully, my grandfather got out of the family business- he stayed in the army after WWII, which was an honorable enough career his dad couldn’t complain- so I can do something better with my life.
Gindy51
@slag: Beau Brummel would be appalled.
slag
@Mnemosyne: Yeah. I like that one. Capturing the essence:
Nice. Not only are they castoffs, they’re impractical castoffs.
Roger Moore
@Trollhattan:
Depends on where you work. My father had a successful career as an engineer and liked to say he was never able to follow the “if you want to succeed, dress like your boss” rule because he couldn’t stand flip-flops.
daves09
@ranchandsyrup: It’s so that when Hillary sends her killers they can switch appearances so fast no one can get them.
germy
@Roger Moore: Here’s something I’ve noticed. Mens’ pre-WWII suits looked more comfortable. Softer. Starting around the 1970s or so, suits seemed to get so stiff they look like they would sit up without anyone wearing them. Was it because of synthetic fabrics?
Mnemosyne
@slag:
It’s funny, though — if you look at historical shoes, ladies’ “heels” stayed at a pretty practical height (usually 1-1/2″ or less), which wasn’t that different than the heels on men’s boots.
It was only when shoes became visible with rising hemlines after WWI that higher heights made an appearance.
And, as mentioned above, the Regency period basically threw away all previous fashion restrictions, so women wore flats unless they were going riding or for a long hike that required boots or half-boots.
Just One More Canuck
@Mnemosyne: that puts an entirely different spin on Pride and Prejudice – my wife watches the Jennifer Ehle/Colin Firth version quite often – I will pay a little more attention next time
daves09
@danielx: Conway looks like someone who wants to look like one of the Fox blondes without ever having actually seen one of the Fox blondes,
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@slag:
It makes one shudder to think what they wear for underpants then.
seaboogie
I think Bannon’s trying to cover up his jowls – and if Trump and Ailes would take a page out of that book I’d be slightly grateful. Nothing to be done about Trump and Ailes’ horrifying pursed lips tho – and why are Ailes’ always so *moist*?
Bobby_D
@Trollhattan: I AM an engineer and I don’t wear that getup. I’m on the west coast, and wear “business casual” attire everyday. Basically slacks, dress shoes, shirt and tie or long sleeve polo type. No jacket, no suits. I’m also ‘”management” and have to rep the agency to various high level regulators and govt officials. My original mentor told me something that stuck “dress for the job you want, not the job you have”. It served me well, it may be ridiculous, but walking into a meeting as the most put-together person in the room conveys success and gravitas, even in places like Portland, San Francisco and LA. It for sure has contributed to me being promoted ahead of my peers.
And it hasn’t been expensive. I just realized last night that the shoes I was wearing are done, need replacement. I’ve worn them 2 times a week for 15 years, and they were 40 dollar shoes (Dockers Gordons, a std cap toe oxford). Sole was in great shape, the interior liner in one heel had worn through and foam was showing. Hit the outlets at the end of the season, and be a 30″ waist, and you can get high end stuff really cheap. although being 40″ chest and 30″ waist makes suit buying a challenge (thank you Banana Republic for suit separates in my size)
As for pink oxfords, it’s about skin tone. For some they look great, for others they look bad. Eye color and skin tone really affect what you can wear and look good in.
hilts
The term “shit for brains” was invented for someone as stone cold stupid as Kellyanne Conway.
Tom Ames
Dennis Lennox, the subject of the 2007 story, appears to have been connected in some capacity to the recent Republican Virgin Islands shenanigans.
(Did not purchase a subscription to get the whole story though.)
danielx
@seaboogie:
Going way out on a limb here, but I’d guess that you really don’t want to know.
slag
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
Carpetbaggers in more ways than one.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@slag:
I may be one of the few males who likes ties. Even people who wear them everyday often can be heard complaining how they’re restrictive, strangling, etc.
For me, it’s the chance for just a little bit of color and originality. I’m not adventurous with shirts, so I like ties that are a little interesting. And considering that I don’t have the kind of job that requires ties more than once a month or so (on the rare occasion where I’m one of the people supposed to meet with the outside visitor), I have way too many — at least 20.
Also, I’ve been to the Milan-Como area a few times, and Como has been famed as a silk-goods capital since medieval times, so a number of those 20+ ties say “Seta di Como” (Silk from Como) on them, which I find kind of cool. A little bit of Italy with me.
I think I’m also the last American on earth who tries to wear a tie consistently to church on Sundays. I just like them, sue me.
gogol's wife
@Just One More Canuck:
Jennifer Ehle has some good outfits.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@daves09: Conway’s been around forever– she used to be Kellyanne Fitzpatrick, she married wing nut welfare star who was IIRC part of the Starr investigation– she was one of Maher’s old stable of (more-or-less) attractive young female conservatives. She wore brightly colored clothes and tried way too hard to be hip and clever. I once saw her on CSPAN giving a cogent and well-researched analysis of politics and couldn’t for the life of me figure out why she tried to act like a cross between Laura Ingram and Suzanne Somer’s old character, but I doubt Trump would’ve hired sober and cogent.
Roger Moore
@germy:
I’m not sure about how fabrics changed suit styles, but I’m not entirely sure that men’s suits were any better before the war. My great grandfather apparently made a lot of money selling jodhpurs.
Feathers
@germy: Probably also because pre-WWII it would have been tailored to fit, even if inexpensive. By the 70s everything was off the rack and only the highest end stuff tailored. Plus synthetic fabrics.
FlipYrWhig
@Keith P.: Count me in as a man who is eagerly pro-pink shirt, from salmon to cotton candy and everything in between.
dedc79
This clip from CNN just made me spit out my afternoon coffee. Whatever the Trump campaign is paying this guy, it’s way too much.
Tom Ames
Here is one account.
“Republican Party Chairman John Canegata gave the newspaper a different account, claiming that Brady actually took a cell phone from Dennis Lennox, another attendee, and chucked it at his head. The Virgin Islands Daily News reported that police were called after a physical altercation. At first, Lennox declined to file a complaint against Brady saying that she only needed to issue a written apology and step down from her position.
But the paper reported that when Brady declined, Lennox filed a police report.”
gogol's wife
@dedc79:
That’s hilarious!
Chyron HR
@dedc79:
Says who?
Roger Moore
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym:
If your tie is strangling you, it’s a sign that either your collar is too tight and that’s what’s really strangling you or you don’t know how to wear a tie. Get a shirt with a collar that’s comfortable buttoned but with no tie, and then adjust the tie so it fits but isn’t constricting the collar. Done. Then get tie tacks or bars so the tie doesn’t flop all over the place; like the ties, they also serve as a chance to express some individuality.
ETA: Also, too; if you’re an MD who wants to wear a tie, get the thing cleaned regularly. They’re a potential vector for infections.
Mnemosyne
@Just One More Canuck:
The fashion of that whole era was a rebellion against the stiff brocades and huge skirts of the Georgian era. A lot of people read Rousseau and there was a huge movement towards being “natural,” even extending to aristocratic ladies breastfeeding their own babies, which had been unheard of in previous eras.
It didn’t last, of course. And it’s not a coincidence that women’s fashion became more and more restrictive as they pushed harder for equal rights.
Basically, in Jane Austen’s time, the gentry and aristocrats were all aspiring hippies.
dedc79
@Chyron HR: I stopped watching The Daily Show a few years ago. I wonder if the new host still does the moment of zen bit. If so, I hope he uses this.
jacy
An update on the Denham Animal Shelter that was highlighted in the Louisiana flooding post. As of now, they have over $90,000 of their $100,000 goal, and Petco has generously offered a matching $100,000 grant. This is awesome. The Denham Springs shelter is the only municipal no-kill shelter in the area and this is going to allow them to continue their efforts. Louisiana has terrible problem with homeless critters, and several shelters in the state have programs that send suitable pets to other places in the country who have zero-growth unwanted pet populations. Louisiana lags behind many states in the welfare of unwanted pets, and it’s great to support the organizations who are making a tiny difference in bettering the lives of our four-footed friends. Still lots of rescues ongoing of both people and animals.
Denham Springs Animal Shelter’s Go Fund Me Page.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
ouch
Roger Moore
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
That would be a more plausible scenario if Trump were capable of loving anyone but himself. The scampaign is surrounded by circling vultures hoping to get a tasty piece of the corpse.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@Mnemosyne: I had to argue with a woman who is backed up by a giant entertainment corporation, but I have seen actual regency era-underwear. The French started the sheer clothes with no underthings phase, and it died when it got to England, where is was colder most of the year and the womenfolks weren’t keen on excessive boob bounce.
Still no drawers, though, at least at the start of that century.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@Mike J: They were trying to hide their bra straps, as well as the fact that the armholes of the sundresses probably revealed half their brassiere.
Chat Noir
@hilts: That made me laugh. I only know her from her appearances on Bill Maher and she’s always said really stupid stuff.
dedc79
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Sykes is one of those people that I’ll follow on twitter up through election day because it’s so freaking entertaining, but that I know I’ll have to drop soon after when he stops tweeting about Trump and reverts to his batshit crazy norm.
Ultraviolet Thunder
I’m people watching in the Ontario CA airport. Fashion for men looks like everywhere, which is to say terrible.
But that’s airports for you.
Raven
@jacy: closin in!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@dedc79: as one of MSNBC’s new regulars, I caught him the other day trotting out the line about “Liberals saying for years that all conservatives are racist…” with no pushback from the anchor or designated liberal Joan Walsh. In fairness, keeping up with the way these people spit out talking points like manic Pez dispensers would be very hard work.
FlipYrWhig
@Mnemosyne: @1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet): IIRC fashion scolds didn’t stop Emma Hamilton.
Mnemosyne
@1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet):
I’ve seen a couple of things that say that “stays” never died out entirely, but they got shorter (ending around the waist, not the hips) and were less tightly-laced. There was also something called a “zona” that seems to have been almost like a prototype for a modern bra.
Apparently, drawers came in when hoop skirts came back around the 1840s but were so large that the wind could easily blow them up around one’s ears, leading to an embarrassing contretemps for ladies who did not wear drawers. Before that, they were a theater thing worn by actresses and dancers, so respectable ladies did not wear such things (or at least didn’t admit it).
You can now get full-color electronic copies of magazines like La Belle Assemblee right on your iPad for a reasonable price!
Mnemosyne
@FlipYrWhig:
That’s the period of the fashion transition that started around 1790-ish, so it’s more that Emma Hamilton was a trendsetter who was wearing those classically-inspired dresses before anyone else.
Brachiator
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
How is that different from what is said here about Trump supporters?
Earl
A clip I will post in a second is *amazing*. Trump’s lawyer Michael Cohen is on cnn and is having trouble with the concept of polls.
If my next post gets blocked, just google for
polls. all of them.
Earl
And the aforementioned clip — polls. all of them.
https://twitter.com/brooklynmutt/status/766024275253927936
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@FlipYrWhig: Very little could!
FlipYrWhig
@Mnemosyne: Right, I meant that she was someone who was famous/notorious for showing off gauzy, clingy fashions, even in cold England.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@Mnemosyne: I’m picking up a lot of those on Pinterest, thanks to the historic clothing geeks there.
Having worn a hoop, yes, you want to take precautions, especially in crowded spaces and high winds.
Mnemosyne
@1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet):
I’m getting caught up on my Regency historical reading since I want to write one, and I think I’ve run into the first reference I’ve seen to “bosom friends” made out of wax. I read about them many years ago, but I think that was the first time I saw them show up in a book!
Brachiator
@FlipYrWhig:
Interesting, unexpected link. More a history buff than Jane Austen, but fun stuff here.
This reference was broken:
We’ll never know.
Shell
Since we werent allowed t o wear pants of any kind in school until Middle School, we did that in winter so our knees wouldn’t freeze.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
Have you seen Whit Stilman’s Love and Friendship?
Shell
And at the height of the fashion, some women would dampen the fabric so the dresses clinged to their bodies even more.
Mnemosyne
@Brachiator:
I am not a huge Stillman fan, so no. My movie standard for Austen is “Sense & Sensibility” written by Emma Thompson — is it as good as that?
(Second favorite: “Persuasion.”)
Mnemosyne
@Shell:
This was in the 1990s, so I think they were doing it for fashion, not warmth. :-)
And, yes, the “faster” Regency ladies were known to risk lung fever by dampening their dresses.
ranchandsyrup
@daves09: lol that’s a decent explanation
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
It is minor Austen, but fun. Kate Beckinsale is quite good. But Tom Bennett (an actor otherwise not known to me) steals the show as an affable fool. A trifle, but a delightful one.
Not a super huge Stilman fan myself, but I think he did a good job here. Little things. Sometimes it’s too obvious that people are wearing costumes, and there is not much change of clothing (except for formal dress), but the actors give a sense of inhabiting the world, which makes the film more fun.
The “Persuasion” with Amanda Root? Good, but somewhat chilly.
Mnemosyne
@Brachiator:
You say “chilly,” I say “passionately restrained.” But I suspect I find Ciaran Hinds much more attractive than you do.
FlipYrWhig
@Mnemosyne: @Shell: And the famous Colin Firth scene is basically a genderfuck to all that.
Mnemosyne
@FlipYrWhig:
Or just an excuse to wet down Colin Firth in his prime, because who WOULDN’T want that?
Apparently he never really got cast in Hollywood movies because male movie producers thought women wouldn’t find him attractive. Morons, every one.
Gravenstone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Even more so. Sykes is basically the Dean of Wisconsin right wing radio.
MomSense
@raven:
Yes!!!
Overstatedpathos
Is the Bannon picture recent? That look was popular at Tulane (again with the sweat management) when I was an undergrad, but that was before Katrina.
gogol's wife
@Mnemosyne:
He’s the best Wentworth!
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
Actually, I like Hinds very much. I just found the film so restrained that it became dull. There was a deliberate drabness that just didn’t work for me.
Have you seen “Belle?”
ETA. I really like the novel. Nothing about the film worked for me.
RSA
@goblue72:
No, you were right the first time (1980s fashion):
I remember this look too, having lived through the ’80s.
J R in WV
@schrodinger’s cat:
I wear tee-shirts (mostly Carharts) with jeans (in the winter) or cargo shorts in the summer. At work, I wore polo shirts with the agency logo and non-blue jeans, as blue jeans were specifically not allowed, unless you were doing field work.
Once every few years I wore an Enro dress shirt, neck tie, and sport coat with khakis if I had to speak to a Legislative committee or otherwise meet officials. Not very often. Mostly worked with engineers and field biologists to develop software to support their work. So neckties would have made everyone uncomfortable, esp. me.
I did schlep a tie/shirt/coat all over to travel in Europe, in case we got a chance to eat at a fancy restaurant. Michelin starred place in Paris, for one example, fancy hotel place in Toulouse for the other.
None of the others seemed to need anything that fancy, no matter how good the food was. Found a wonderful Indian place in Toulouse, on a street too narrow for auto traffic, no suit required!
West Virginia isn’t very formal, you can eat in a clean shirt and pants at almost every place in town. Thank FSM!
RSA
And I discover that the comment DougJ references quotes me. Jeez, I’ve been here too long.
Oatler.
The recent pic reminds me of MST3K’s “Tribute to Doughy Guys” Those budding GOP jowels need a touch of Chick Fill A.
FlipYrWhig
@J R in WV:
The other places first make you soil your shirt and pants?
Mnemosyne
@Brachiator:
Either I forgot that you’re gay, or you’re not getting that I appreciate Hinds on a much different level than you do.
I have “Belle” on my list but I haven’t gotten around to it. I’ve heard nothing but good things.
J R in WV
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
Does the term “hair shirt” mean anything to you? Look it up!
J R in WV
@FlipYrWhig:
Oh please… There are 2 places that might require a tie… Not the best food in town, just the snootiest attitude.