Donald Trump’s Twitter meltdown in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s scorching speech continues into day #2:
The Clinton's are the real predators…https://t.co/Fr0gFtZVVz
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 26, 2016
The greengrocer’s apostrophe lets us know it’s really Trump. It’s also heartening to see that Clinton’s speech didn’t drive Trump’s army of pallid meme-froggies and white genocide kooks underground:
@realDonaldTrump I haven't seen anyone carry themselves so Presidential since Reagan. #MakeAmericaGreatAgain pic.twitter.com/PZYZbll0dP
— Jason Bergkamp (@keksec__org) August 26, 2016
Is that person using Dylann Roof’s photo as an avatar, or is he just another ugly-ass white boy with a bad haircut? No matter: Keep showing us who you — and your idol — are, malignant creeps!
Meanwhile, Trump claims not to know what the “alt-right” is, denies that it exists and disavows knowledge of his campaign chief’s involvement in it. Check him out at the 5:10 mark:
He’s lying, of course. It’s usually safe to attribute Trump’s actions to stupidity, but here we’ve hit upon the one area of expertise he actually possesses: an ability to rile up the rubes.
There’s just no chance Trump didn’t know exactly what Bannon was. Trump might fire Bannon tomorrow if the association with the Breitbart hate site proves untenable (which would happen TODAY if the Beltway press devoted 1/1000th of the attention they’ve lavished on Clinton’s innocuous emails to perusing that site).
But it won’t change that Trump knew exactly what he was inviting to take center stage in the GOP tent. Good luck with that fumigation, craven Republican assholes.
amk
Nov 8, 2016 = The moment of reckoning to show the world how racist murkkka really is.
Major Major Major Major
Bed bugs would be easier to get rid of than these EmoNazis.
CONGRATULATIONS!
I don’t think Trump is stupid – lethally incurious, yes, but not stupid – and he knows self-promotion and TV. So yeah, he knows what Bannon is. A smart hire, actually, as Trump knows who his target audience is very, very well.
Still waiting to figure out his end game. Probably just grift. It’s sure not winning the presidency, and I don’t think (as others believe) it’s starting a white nationalist party.
Betty Cracker
@Major Major Major Major: EmoNazis — perfect! ?
shomi
This is about as close as you can come to saying “I know you are but what am I” without coming off as an adolescent child. Proves he has no clue what he is doing. I don’t even think his idiotic followers believe any of it.
Not sure how much involvement his new and soon to be fired team has in this.
Waldo
He’s bringing the love!
Calouste
Talking about Trump’s campaign chief, he appears to be committing voter fraud by not living at the address he is registered.
Patricia Kayden
Like he played dumb when asked about David Duke’s support of his nomination. He must think that all 300 million of us are as stupid as he is.
Off Topic: So glad to hear that the burkini ban was overturned by a French court.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/26/europe/france-burkini-ban-court-ruling/
D58826
Rant from an earlier thread that appears to be dead.
Seanly
But, but David Greene of NPR sez folks who tell racist jokes in their backyard are just sticking it to PC police, not being racist f*cks.
Still mad about that so I tweeted:
The Ancient Randonnuer
White men haven’t been heard? Hahahahahahaha White men have been heard since the Pilgrims landed.
Patricia Kayden
@Calouste: Well, ain’t that a b*tch? The Party of Voter Suppression has a Presidential Candidate who is managed by a racist who has committed voter fraud.
Sad!
dedc79
Somewhat serious question – if Trump didn’t have the toupee/surgery or if his hair was grey (instead of dyed aryan blond), would he have gotten this far? Not asking if this should make a difference (obviously it shouldn’t), but does it? For all the abuse he gets about his hair, I can’t shake this feeling that if he’d spewed exactly the same nonsense he has this past year, but did it as a bald man, he wouldn’t have made it out of the primary.
D58826
Thanks NRA
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/restaurant-opening-sparks-orlando-mall-shooting-scare/ar-BBw5vCO?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
Major Major Major Major
@Betty Cracker: it’s from one of last night’s threads.
Chris
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
Trump only cares about Trump. So it’s definitely not starting a white nationalist party. But I have no trouble believing that he wants the presidency.
I still think the theory that he was enraged by Obama mocking him at the White House correspondents dinner and thinks winning the White House is the only thing that’ll erase that is the best theory as to why he’s running.
Patricia Kayden
@D58826: Don’t worry. By the end of President Hillary Clinton’s second term, the media and Conservatives will figure out that no one but them gives a dang about any of these “scandals”. It takes time to figure out that everyone doesn’t live in your bubble and isn’t outraged by what bothers you. But the media will learn and so will Conservatives as the Republican Party continues to lose Presidential elections.
MattF
For the record, both Ryan and McConnell deny seeing Hilz’s speech. Krugman doubts that.
piratedan
so… lets discuss how those three improperly classified e-mails ended up on her personal server and forget that the guys who thought that racial purity is great idea are backing and serving integral parts of a political party campaign for the Presidency of this nation. Then make pouty faces about who’s judgement is really in question here.
dmsilev
It’s interesting that apparently neither Paul Ryan nor Mitch McConnell felt the need to defend Trump from Hillary’s charges yesterday. I guess they’re just hoping that he’ll lose without inflicting too much collateral damage on the down-ticket races, but it really does stress how much (or rather how little) moral fiber they have.
pacem appellant
“green grocer’s apostrophe” That one is getting worked into my daily vocabulary. Thank you!
Highway Rob
File this under “irresponsible not to speculate,” but is it possible the Trump campaign uses yesterday’s barnburner from Sec’y Clinton as their excuse to get out of debating her? “I refuse to share a stage with Crooked Hillary after she’s told these terrible lies about me and my supporters.” Probably not, because buck-buck-buck-buckaw, but it would carry about as much weight as “I have a fundraiser for veterans.”
nonynony
@Calouste: See you stupid libs! Voter fraud happens all of the time!
Frankensteinbeck
@amk:
Early results suggest ‘pretty god damn racist, but not enough to commit suicide over it.’ I don’t know whether to be horrified or relieved.
Brachiator
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
I think you are confusing Trump with Dubya.
nonynony
@Highway Rob:
I keep hoping that Trump tries to weasel out of the first debate. I don’t think it’ll happen, but the blowback he gets from being too afraid to get on stage and debate Clinton will be epic.
The Ancient Randonnuer
I have been looking at social media accounts of prominent Republicans and can’t find any of them coming to Trump’s defense. Not a peep.
MattF
@Highway Rob: It’s hard to imagine the two of them on the same stage. The debate moderators would have to be armed with tranquilizer darts.
Frankensteinbeck
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
I think Trump is stupid. Listen to him talk. It’s not just that he says dumb things, he says them in an incoherent, rambling, grade school level way. With the advantages he was born with, it would be hard to do worse at business than he has done. He’s dumb, and got this far because the media and the Republican base both love stupid racist assholes.
Chris
@Patricia Kayden:
I don’t know, it seems a lot to expect the media to shed several decades’ worth of accumulated prejudices.
@dmsilev:
I and a few other people noticed, in yesterday’s thread, that Hillary Clinton had gotten her cooties all over the Republican Party establishment by praising those parts of it that supposedly weren’t racist. Given that, I wouldn’t be surprised if Ryan and McConnell were basically trying to disappear under their desks until this blows over, trying their best not to draw attention to themselves.
dmsilev
@MattF: I have this vision of Clinton saying something that Trump doesn’t like (i.e. saying anything) and him snapping and trying to rush her podium. At which point she pulls out a can of pepper spray and lets him have it.
Daulnay
@amk:
We already showed the world in 2008 and 2016. And we’ll show it again this fall.
We have racists in this country, yes. Part of Southern white society got profoundly corrupted by slavery, and still hasn’t cleansed itself of the lust for power over blacks. Add that to the ordinary ethnic fear/hatred that rises in some of any ethnic group colliding with a different ethnic group. America is much less racist than you’d expect, even though there are still pockets of severe racism.
I’ve been surprised at how much racism still exists, but those pockets of overt racism were festering, somewhat hidden, until Obama’s election brought them to the surface. Now at least they’re out in the open, and the racists have seized the nomination from those Republicans who cynically dog-whistled to get their votes. We now all know we have more distance to travel ’till we get “liberty and justice for all”, but the people who stand in our way are out in the open now.
MattF
@The Ancient Randonnuer: It’s too late. What can they say? They’re staring into the abyss and Trump stares back.
Major Major Major Major
@dmsilev: I’ll bet that Hillary sticks with this lifeboat for “reasonable republicans” until just after Labor Day then starts tying Trump around the necks of everybody still on the SS Douche.
Waldo
@MattF:
Is it possible they didn’t see it? Sure.
Didn’t hear about it? Nope.
gratuitous
I’ve decided that for now I’m sick and tired of treating with the racists, the cruel, the heartless, and the assholes on the right. For now I’m just going to call them out, and worry about reconciliation later. I’ve had it with these grinning, simpering trolls whose greatest delight is in the suffering of others, and what they can do to make any bad situation worse.
I apologize in advance to decent people whom I am pretty sure I’m going to offend.
BR
@Frankensteinbeck:
I think he’s aged poorly — I’ve seen old clips of him where he’s able to speak clearly and concisely, just like Bush was able to speak clearly and concisely when he was younger. The problem is that Trump’s ego has been going in one direction while his brain has been going in another.
Peale
@D58826: LOL. I love Jimmy Carter. But he is the only president in history who has worked on direct charity so consistently. I think Elanor Rossevelt might have been the same. But jeebus. Clinton needs to be a saint walking around in tattered clothing or his charitable efforts don’t amount to anything? Unlike that Points-of-Light Bush Foundation, which is pretty much the exact same type of deal.
dmsilev
@Major Major Major Major: I think that’s right. Maybe not Labor Day (just a week or so from now), but certainly by the end of September.
Jeffro
@Frankensteinbeck:
I have to agree here on all counts. He talks like a fourth-grader. He constantly refers to things as if it was the mid-80s (crime, competition from Japan, etc) and that’s because he’s learned very little about the world since then. He picked Bannon because he agrees with Bannon’s/Breitbart’s views and vice versa…AND because he’s too dumb to realize just how radioactive B/B’s brand of hate speech is outside its own little bubble.
It’s like I used to razz my RW brother and dad about: how come none of the “deep bench” will point out that Trump’s a moron…you can’t “hire the best people” to run things if you’re too stupid to even begin to know who the best people are (unless your only criteria is, ‘they agree with me’)
catclub
@Frankensteinbeck:
Not quite. He did learn one thing: Paying attention to reporters – and he has done it a lot – pays dividends in attention to himself.
That was what he learned in the self-promotion trip from Queens to Manhattan.
Woodrowfan
FYI, that is Pepe the Frog, who was adopted by the web’s neo-Nazis and alt/right types as their meme or mascot for odd reasons.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/how-pepe-the-frog-became-a-nazi-trump-supporter-and-alt-right-symbol.html
scav
@Brachiator: Could it be the intellectual incuriosity is common to both but Donnie ranks higher on the BS scale, complicated by the fact he gets a positive charge out of spouting untruthes in a louder voice as a demonstration of dominence? (w was just lazily indifferent). The moral / social lack of empathy or even curiosity about the lives or thoughts of others seems similar — w perhaps masking his lazy lack of interest with lazy friendliness, but Donnie going out of his way to win by being more a selfish dick just to prove who’s boss.
Major Major Major Major
@dmsilev: oh, that’s right, she’s Hillary Clinton. She has to go the quadruple high road lest she get slammed as an unreasonable shrill stabby bitchlady Macbeth, and then get slammed for it anyway.
catclub
@nonynony:
yeah, right. Like the epic blowback from not releasing his tax forms. This is NPR you are talking about. They don’t do outrage.
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker: I think a hat-tip to JGabriel is in order for coining that one.
jacy
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
I think Trump is dumb. You can still have a low cunning and do well enough if you have enough money handed to you. You can be a conman and a grifter and still be stupid, although eventually it’ll probably catch up to you because you can’t game out consequences as well as a smart person. A certain street-level cunning and abject stupidity aren’t mutually exclusive. But overall, I think the fact of his overweening narcissism makes that a moot point. Even if he wasn’t stupid, his abject and insecure preoccupation with himself makes him ultimately functionally stupid.
catclub
@scav: I think while GW Bush had the attention span of a puppy, Trump has the attention span of a flea.
Ask his biographer. Bush had attention for good campaigning. Trump does not even have that.
The Other Chuck
@catclub:
If there’s something I could do with less of, it’s news orgs constantly screeching at me what I need to be outraged about. Especially this election where facts alone are enough.
Patricia Kayden
@Frankensteinbeck: Trump can’t even read well from teleprompters. His reading is always halting and as if he were seeing the words for the very first time. And the awkwardness of him turning from teleprompter to teleprompter while giving speeches is just breathtaking. Yet, I’ve heard him criticizing President Obama and Secretary Clinton for occasionally using teleprompters. ***rolls eyes***
He’s as smart as Bush the 43rd with a lot more ego.
TS
@nonynony:
The blowback he will get if he does get on stage to debate Clinton could be worse.
Patricia Kayden
@MattF: Ostriches with their heads firmly buried in the sand. Perhaps they’ll be paying attention on November 8th when their candidate gets his behind whooped.
Frankensteinbeck
@catclub:
The blowback won’t be from the media. The blowback will be from the Republican base. They absolutely hate weakness and cowardice. They define those things differently than we do, so it may not be obvious, but backing out on a debate with a woman? That (and I have seen this demonstrated) will turn them off badly.
Karen marie
@Chris: I have to disagree. He had himself in front of media so often starting in the ’70s, by the early ’80s and going forward, he was regularly asked when he would run. After three plus decades of that, it was inevitable. Although I think the blackity black president who Trump had insulted multiple times giving it back may have been a trigger.
Also, too, having an opportunity to fuck with the Clintons, who had the nerve to not invite them to Chelsea’s wedding was a contributing factor.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
That’s a new one to me. Are greengrocer’s known more than other’s for putting extraneous apostrophe’s on their sign’s?
The Other Chuck
@Frankensteinbeck: Anyone still in Trump’s camp will contort themselves to interpret ducking the debates as a sign of strength. Bank on it.
Bill Arnold
Very tight and well done invective. :-) Admiring it by reading it again and again.
Bill Arnold
@Patricia Kayden:
GW Bush didn’t manage to do proper teleprompter-reading until well into his second term.
catclub
It is working just as planned: Clinton campaign is good!
Major Major Major Major
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: apparently! That’s what the Google says.
I mean, I’ve seen it a million times (“mango’s”) but I never knew it was a generalized term til now.
amk
the tundra twit is sad!
catclub
@Major Major Major Major:
also Sadly No’s comment section reference’s.
scav
@catclub: They certainly have different styles in interacting with people, while probably being similarly incurious as to the activities behind the other persons face. W does the social jive, getting people to do things for him that way (sorta the spoiled mam’s boy, flashing the widened puppy eyes next to the broken whatever) — Donnie goes direct to the awe and bully, with a bit of swaggering look what I can do for you con. Trumps already warned them he’s going to be very disappointed with them if they don’t do their jobs and get him elected. w also seems to like the interaction with the faces, whereas Donnie prefers them below the podium stage, behind the twitter-wall, looking up adoringly from a distence
Another difference in campaigning: seemingly w coasts and lets others do their jobs while Donny doesn’t.
Amir Khalid
I don’t know if anyone else has noticed this, but it looks to me like Dylann Roof has the same haircut as Mo Howard.
piratedan
well, just to indicate how serious this election is… usually by now, Johnny Maverick and his media entourage are busy cherry-picking issues to denigrate his current challenger over on the Dem side… instead this year, he’s having to defend his position from a challenge on the right. Not saying that he doesn’t have a decent warchest, but the idea that he has to paint his current GOP challenger as a whack job (and she is) costs money. There’s been an awful ad exchange going on (his opponent is Kelly Ward, who essentially says that McCain is senile and no longer a TRUE Conservative) and McCain firing back that she’s even loopier than Trump and has “dangerous” ideas.
Consuming lots of popcorn. I think he seat is up for grabs and the polling I’ve seen seems to support that too… tying his ankle to the Trump Anchor won’t do him any favors provided he escapes his challenge from the right.
Highway Rob
@MattF: It’s hard to imagine the usual courteous openings after all that’s been said so far. Which, if Trump isn’t very careful, could turn into a nationally televised example of ungentlemanliness of the sort that helped sink Clayton Williams against Ann Richards in 1990 here in Texas.
amk
@piratedan: One of the main donnie dick’s blowbacks I am looking forward to. Along with that CA car thief’s.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Frankensteinbeck: I’ll get on my hobby-horse again. :-)
Watch this Trump interview with German TV from September 2001 (11:38). Compare that to any of his comments in the last 18 months or so. I think he’s got some genuine brain disorder. IANA-MD.
Cheers,
Scott.
rdldot
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: And while we’re at it, what’s with the green frogs…
Betty Cracker
@amk: Ha! If Kellyanne Conway has recovered from the sick burns she received during her interview with Maddow, perhaps she’d like to try to explain again how reversing Policy A is the same as upholding Policy A.
Highway Rob
@TS: I still worry about Trump saving his “pivot” for the first debate, like Romney did in 2012 to throw the President off his game. Then I remember that Trump’s nowhere near as smooth as Mittens, and I stop worrying as much.
germy
@Amir Khalid:
No love for Ish Kabibble?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I don’t know the AZ GOP or general electorate, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this is the biggest gift she could have given McCain, then again, given the way Trumpsters blew off the whole POW I like people who don’t get captured thing, who the hell knows?
I’m trying not to get too excited about the prospect of a McCain loss, cause I want it so much. like when I was sixteen and I invented all sorts of fantasy scenarios for the car my parents were gonna surprise me with. Never happened.
Betty Cracker
@rdldot: Pepe the Frog is a lame-ass meme that was hijacked by neo-Nazis.
cmorenc
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
IMHO Trump was in it to actually win the Presidency, and genuinely thought (with plausible reasons) that he had a decent chance to pull it off with his abrasively bombastic carnival-barker approach to campaigning – at least until a week or two ago, when even he began to realize he may have sustained a fatal self-inflicted wound over his Khan comments. That’s why someone actually semi-respectable and semi-competent like Kellyanne Conway was brought aboard and he began to more often stick with teleprompters than off-the-cuff speeches, even while he brought Bannon in to help hold onto his xenophobic base and run the nastiest undersides of his campaign against Clinton. Conway is the campaign oncologist, desperately attempting to cure the malignant cancer at the heart of Trump’s campaign before it kills him, even though the doc recognizes it’s probably too late.
Now, Trump recognizes just how high he’s free-climbed onto a slippery cliff, with nothing but 500 feet of air beneath him, and is struggling to find an accessible route up or off the cliff before his insecure sweaty hands and feet loose their grip – else come up fast with some way to MAcGyver a parachute so he can fall to a survivably soft landing when he does actually fall. It’s beginning to also sink into him just how uncomfortably precarious and dangerously exposed it is if he somehow did actually still pull off making it to the top of the cliff by winning the Presidency – but he can’t bring himself to ingloriously ask for a helicopter rescue by bowing out in deference to letting someone like Mike Pence take his place (getting too late to do that anyway).
Trump’s likely to fall hard, and the splat when he hits the ground is going to be very messy and ugly, even if we progressives do take perverse satisfaction in a well-deserved fate for Mr. Trump.
MattF
@Betty Cracker: Because logic is for losers.
Brachiator
@Highway Rob:
Doesn’t really matter. Not debating would hurt Trump more no matter how much he pretends he is more “presidential” than Hillary.
Major Major Major Major
@Betty Cracker: Yeah, what’s the story there anyway? No, I don’t feel like googling it.
MCA1
@The Other Chuck: Not that much contortion needed, just some basic up-is-down skillz and a twitter account to find the approved all-white, I mean, alt-right, line: he’s sticking it to the establishment and the lamestream media, not playing by their rules, making Dems look pathetic by whining while he’s just crushing them at the negotiation table over debate content/rules, etc. He is a strong man, ergo everything he does is a sign of strength.
mike in dc
The tax returns should be the subject of Clinton’s next speech, and she should ask him to release the returns for years not covered by the audit and to see the first 2 pages of his 1040 and his schedule A declaring charitable contributions.
germy
@cmorenc:
Wait… what?
Barb2
Rawstory has an interesting article by a Linguist – who has been taking apart Trump’s speeches. He isn’t dumb and he is getting across his message to his base. What he is doing is speaking in code where those in the know can finish each other’s sentences. There is order in Trump’s chaos speech. “Trump means exactly what he says.”
Linguist George Linguist deconstructs Trump’s speeches.
The link above is to part two, part one is linked in the article.
Know your enemy -or how to spot the dog whistles.
AkaDad
As a Trump supporter, I’ve never liked Breitbart. They need to stop their PC bullshit and be proud to call themselves White Nationalists.
SFAW
@Calouste:
Not possible — he’s white, ain’t he? It’s only the Coloreds who do that.
QED and LS/MFT.
trollhattan
I must be a Hillbot now because I thought her speech yesterday was excellent, factual and overdue. But today’s paper reduced it to “Trump and Clinton Trade Racism Charges.” Guess I missed the nuance.
Brachiator
@Highway Rob:
What “pivot?” The entire idea of a pivot is nonsense conventional wisdom created by lazy reporters, and lazier campaign strategists. If Trump can somehow convince voters that he was bullshitting about everything he’s said from the beginning of his campaign until now, and people believe him, then more power to him.
trollhattan
@germy:
Yeah, she’s being treated as some savant. Not seeing it.
Major Major Major Major
@Highway Rob:
And how’d that work out for him.
The Other Chuck
@mike in dc: Actually, I think HRC’s next speech shouldn’t even mention Trump at all. Not on a principle or anything — I like to see her tearing off strips of Trump as much as anyone — but based on the fact that she actually does have substance to offer, and Trump is irrelevant to it. FSM knows Trump won’t be able to do the same.
different-church-lady
@Brachiator: Dubya was both, actually.
trollhattan
@Brachiator:
His “pivot” will be Palinesque obfuscation and refusal to address questions. How will that play with no cheering section?
Amir Khalid
@AkaDad:
I actually agree with you about this, but Trump has been defending himself against Hillary’s speech. He needs to stop the political correctness, as you say, and own it. In his next speech, he should proudly declare himself a White Nationalist so that everyone will understand who he really is.
Dmbeaster
@Calouste: Read the article. It appears to be a recent tax dodge strategy for him, as he avoids California state income tax on various earnings if he pretends to live in Florida. He owns residences in Southern California and voted there through 2014, when he cancelled his California registration and registered in Florida. The address he used was that of his ex wife with whom he does not live. The Florida voter registration was probably intended to reinforce the fiction that he is a Florida resident. But he violates Florida voter registration law in doing so, although it does not appear that he has voted yet in Florida. So where will he vote for The Donald in 2016? Typical dirt bag committing tax fraud, and then goes into the bright lights as Trump’s top operative? What did he expect? Haha.
Hal
One of my old childhood friends posted again on Facebook that Donald Trump might be insensitive, and maybe a bit loud, but he’s not a racist! Now, here’s a story of Hillary Clinton defending a rapist. This is someone who also said they have no problem with race or sexuality, doesn’t care if you’re gay/straight/green/blue blah blah blah, but could you just please, stop shoving your lifestyle in her face?!
I don’t even bother responding anymore. If in your mind the question “Is Trump really racist?” a rhetorical no, there is no reaching you.
cmorenc
@germy:
Realize that I’m grading on a HYUUGE curve here. But a classy one :=)
Brachiator
@mike in dc:
It might be better if Clinton surrogates beat Trump up about his tax returns. I don’t see a reason to specify particular pages.
nonynony
@catclub:
Nope – not NPR. Among his own followers and others on Twitter. Some will try to defend him but the cowardice is going to cause him to take a hit.
The Other Chuck
I love how HRC opened: “I know when I’m here in Reno, I’m The Other Hillary”
She speaks to me ;)
NotMax
Must be the only one without the foggiest conception of what an Orkin Army might or might not be.
(Orcish I could grok.)
@germy
Bonus points for any College of Musical Knowledge reference.
(Amir, it’s Moe. Forgivable error, though.)
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
It actually worked reasonably well for Romney, for some amount of time (as reflected in the polling). I don’t recall if Romney’s 47 percent fuckup happened before or after that, but it took more than a few days for Obama to get back on track (again, re: polling).
Kay
He looks rattled in that clip.
Go get ’em Hillary.
After all the horrible things that have been said and written about her it’s fun to watch the she-devil in action! :)
Dmbeaster
@D58826: The emails come out in batches because of the slow process of compliance with the FOIA request for the enormous volume of emails, which is being overseen by a federal judge. Clinton does not control the process.
rikyrah
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA
amk
@AkaDad: But the thing is donnie dick is the typical bully of a coward. That’s why he won’t.
Highway Rob
@Brachiator: Quite so.* Hence the scare quotes.
*–Except for “more power to him,” which I’d sub out for “may FSM have mercy on our souls.”
Dmbeaster
@D58826:
Wow. Exhibit A of Clinton Rules at work.
The Other Chuck
@NotMax: It’s an 80’s tv ad reference for Orkin, a national chain of pest control companies. By the 90’s, they dropped the “Orkin Army” bit in favor of some kind of cyborg theme (now it’s the exTERMINATOR against the army of bugs).
SiubhanDuinne
@D58826:
@Peale:
Jimmy Carter is certainly not afraid to get his hands dirty, but make no mistake: he is a formidable fundraiser. He fully recognises, and takes appropriate advantage of, the fact that his name and his status as a former President of the United States can open doors and leverage influence throughout the world. It is a very small club, those living former POTUSes (POTI?), and he and Bill Clinton (and the Bushes père et fils, for that matter) would be insane not to use the unique advantages they enjoy to do good here and abroad.
different-church-lady
@Frankensteinbeck:
As an adult Trump has never lived in a world where he wasn’t the one in control. Therefore he never had to learn the communications skills most other peopl consider quite ordinary. I doubt that before June it ever occured to him his speech habits were insufficient beause he had never before been in a situation where they had been tested so severely.
schrodinger's cat
Is it me or is Trump’s hair looking extra weird this week?
oklahomo
@Betty Cracker: This is how the world ends, not with a bang but with a 4-chan giggle…
Feebog
@cmorenc:
Maddow connected all the dots on her show last night. Conway was running one of the Cruz PACs which was funded by a hedge fund billionaire named Mercer. Mercer is also funds Brietbart. After Cruz dropped out, Mercer decided to back Trump, this was his opportunity to get in the game.
Punchy
@The Other Chuck: Ditching the debates isn’t showing strength. It’s showing Sooper Strength, such that he’s even stronger by not agreeing to weak debates with such a weak opponent discussing weak topics in weak fashion. It doubly Sooper Strengthens him if his strength is strongly applied to strong statements about this Sooper Strength, so strong in fact that Weak Hillary is too weak every week to ever debate him on his strengths, which are sooper and very strong. And classy.
Confused? That’s cuz you’re just a weak ass punk lacking the strength to see Trump’s strongly strong things that aren’t weak. Just like how his agreement to allow illegals to stay is actually a hardening of his stance to deport all of them.
Patricia Kayden
@piratedan:
How is this a winning argument when we all know that McCain has endorsed Trump? So he endorsed someone who is loopy? That’s supposed to be a good thing?
SiubhanDuinne
@jacy:
Trying to imagine Trump playing chess, even the standard two-dimensional type.
Imagination fail.
Brachiator
@trollhattan:
That’s not a pivot.
I don’t think it matters one way or another.
rikyrah
@amk:
NO LIE.
N-O-L-I-E
Highway Rob
@Major Major Major Major: (Shrug.) Got him a temporary poll bump that may have prevented a blowout win for the President. Given that I am looking for HRC to grind Trump into a fine powder and plow the grounds of his ill-gotten empire with salt, I’d prefer not to see a repeat.
It also gave Sully quite the case of the vapors. Since BJ is not following his exploits as closely these days, that’s less of a concern this time around.
nonynony
@Highway Rob:
It only rattled Obama because he wasn’t expecting Romney to go into blatant falsehoods and double down on them during the debate. It was counter to Rmoney’s image and what he’d been doing prior to that on the campaign trail and so Obama was thrown off by the tactic. He was ready for it in the second debate and that debate went much better.
There is no way that Clinton is going to be rattled at the debate. Her debate prep will probably consist of a combination of preparing her for the insipid questions the debate moderators will ask combined with practicing a non-reaction to Trump’s nonsense followed by a cool rebuttal of his idiocy. And to prepare for the unexpected. I would not be surprised at all to hear later that the stand-in for Trump wears a gorilla suit and periodically does something random like fire a squirt gun at her or start injecting names and tabloid accusations at her just to keep her on her toes for whatever Trump decides to roll out on the day of the debate.
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
Don’t be ridiculous. Clinton must not only impoverish himself, he must retire to a one room, no-indoor-plumbing shack in the Ozarks (or wherever), before eventually committing seppuku for his multitudinous crimes against Humanity. Only then will the MSM stop complaining about his evil doings.
[As if the MSM would ever stop finding fault with him.]
Felonius Monk
@Amir Khalid:
Why not? After all, he is a white supremacist stooge.
Patricia Kayden
@Amir Khalid:
Trump doesn’t have to declare anything. His associations, comments, actions, etc., clearly show exactly who he is and most of us have figured out that White Supremacists support him because they recognize him as one of their own.
MJS
I think we need to enjoy Bannon while we can. Not because Trump is going to cut him loose, but because he has that Breitbart physique/visage that screams “Scotch for breakfast”. Massive coronary coming in 3, 2…
SiubhanDuinne
@Patricia Kayden:
I’m reminded of the chorus to an old Flanders & Swann song:
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@schrodinger’s cat: you mean the Tweety-esque glow to his latest rinse? I think he told his colorists “Make it look like I’ve been to the beach, and don’t forget the eyebrows. Make me beautiful like Apollo!” and he looked upon their work, and thought they did
Brachiator
@Feebog:
Also, Maddow pointed out how people from Breitbart were involved in Britain’s UKIP. From October 2014 news articles.
Very interesting how the right wing lunatic fringe involves itself in mainstream politics.
Peale
@SFAW: The fantasy of the Clintons dying friendless, penniless and alone is really one of those mysteries that I can’t fathom. After she finally conceded in 2008, I can’t remember which of the Politico bigwigs at a time wrote this whole opinion piece about what he thought Clinton must be going through now that she must realize that no one likes her and no one would defend her any more. (Then Sid Blumenthal popped up at Salon to lambaste him. Yay! Sid. Guaranteeing that the Clintons still have friends since 1992). Anyway, I could just see the douche licking his lips as he wrote it and rubbing his thighs as what he had always wanted was now true.
schrodinger's cat
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Indeed it has a weird glow to it, that reminds me of radioactive waste, that glows in dark.
SFAW
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I think it would have been good humor if they had mis-heard him, and thought he said “Make me beautiful, like I’m about to headline the Apollo!” His followers would be apoplectic.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@The Other Chuck: Orkin was huge around Atlanta (maybe they started there). In 1974 there was a news story about an Orkin heir being involved in a murder for hire conspiracy. The company ran as far away from him as they could!
Cheers,
Scott.
Peale
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Actually since his hair was definitely green for a few days, maybe he told them to bring out his inner Demeter.
Brachiator
@scav:
I don’t agree that there is any comparison, nor do I think that Trump is stupid.
Face
1) His base cannot read
2) If his base could read, they wouldn’t care what he thinks
3) If his base was angry at what he said, McCain would blame the Lie-brul media for misquoting him
4) When faced with the direct quote, his backers will claim it was out of context
5) When faced with the context, his backers will claim they cannot read
We need a corollary to Cleeks Law. Something like “The level of base support given to a GOP politician is inversely proportional to the adherence to reality and facts of his/her claims”
Comrade Scrutinizer
@Brachiator: I agree. The pivot is based on the idea that all voters are stupid and ill-informed, that anything a candidate says has nothing to do with their real positions on issues, and that the candidate’s most current statement cancels out anything that came before.
While the lazy can say “Ah! The pivot! Everything has changed!”, the reality is that it’s much harder to dump recent statements down the memory hole. For Trump those moves are even more difficult, because the emoNazis (I’m so stealing that!) are notoriously unforgiving of shifts away from their core values.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym:
@Major Major Major Major:
I’ve heard and seen the term for years, although it’s probably a bit more common in the UK than the US. But it just means “superfluous apostrophe.”
D58826
@Peale: Speakinmg of Sid. There is a tweet from congresss**T Gowdy that he wishes the public could see what the FBI had to say about the Hillary/Sid relationship. You have to really feel sorry for Gowdy – all of those secret FBI notes and he can’t selectively leak any of them.
Stan
@Daulnay: “
Part of Southernwhite society got profoundly corrupted by slavery,”Fixed that for you.
D58826
@Brachiator: I think Trump is dumb like a fox. Maybe not the kind of smart that gets you a PHD in cosmology but the street smart of the born hustler/conman.
Gelfling 545
@SFAW: Lucky Strike means fine tobacco?
trollhattan
@Brachiator:
See also #104.
FlipYrWhig
What the fuck is this frog character?
Brachiator
@Major Major Major Major:
EmoNazis is the word!
I felt particularly dirty after reading a Slate article on the alt-right, and the obsession that some of them have with deriding some of their fellow kooks as “cuckservatives.” There is a weird psycho-sexual connection here, and not just a hatred of nonwhites, but a fear of having white masculinity trampled on by the black and brown horde.
Dmbeaster
@Chris: Michael Moore has an interesting take on why Trump ran for President.
Short version – as a media strategy, which makes a lot of sense. It also squares with the speculation that he cares as much, if not more, about a long term media strategy to monetize his presidential run as he does about winning. It explains why no pivot and also Breitbart, as he will not undermine the long term grift at the expense of improving his odds. The current flip-flop about immigration cuts against that theory, but I expect that trend to last less than a week.
shomi
@CONGRATULATIONS!: Oh for fucks sakes. All this overanalysis of stupid….yes STUPID is just ….well stupid.
What more does Drumpf need to do to prove to you that he is stupid? You seem to be confusing the ability to carnival bark and screw people out of money without remorse as ‘smart’. It does not take brains to make money. It does help if you lack a moral compass and start out as a slum lord with daddys money like Drumpf did.
No he is not toothless hillbilly with a meth problem stupid, but he is not smart like most politicians are.
Dmbeaster
@nonynony: Its actually voter registration fraud, as he has not improperly voted yet. Plus its still just one vote – not the kind of fraud that undermines elections.
Amir Khalid
@Felonius Monk:
It was my impression that Moe Howard of the Three Stooges was Jewish.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: Obama’s polling decline at that point, if you ask the stat wizards, simply reflected the polls reverting to show the actual state of the race, which always happens right around then. They were already starting to go down before the debate, and the rate didn’t change afterwards until they got to 52/47.
MattF
@FlipYrWhig: Pepe the Frog.
Trollhattan
Glad to see somebody took a close look Hill’s speech.
RTWT
bemused
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
All that hairspray he’s been using on his rat’s nest for decades has got to kill a few brain cells.
Dmbeaster
@rdldot: Green frog meme explained
Villago Delenda Est
@Feebog: Mercer is also the moneybags behind Art Robinson, who is Peter DeFazio’s perpetual challenger in the 4th Congressional District of Oregon. Mercer’s beef with DeFazio is that DeFazio is one of the leaders of an effort to impose transaction taxes on stock trades, to put a break on computer generated trades designed to specifically squeeze profit from small changes in stock prices on a very large scale. It would help to rationalize the market back to human scale where it functions again as an efficient capital distribution system, rather than one that is used exclusively to feed the greed of scum like Mercer.
Cacti
@D58826:
That has to hurt.
He’s not allowed to disclose classified information to condemn Hillary for alleged mishandling of classified information.
I remember when GOPers used to call him an ace legal mind. Prosecuting meth lab cases in upstate South Carolina isn’t exactly the big leagues though, is it?
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
Line from Seinfeld that remains stuck in the gray matter:
George Costanza: “Nobody walks into a barbershop and tells the barber ‘Give me the Larry Fine.'”
schrodinger's cat
@Dmbeaster: It still makes little sense. Too cliquey.
mike in dc
The gap between the two candidates in the polls is widening again. So that’s encouraging. Ideally having a 10 point leading going into the debates is best, so that Trump feels he has to go for broke, and blows it. Clinton will need a gigantic lead in October to force the media to abandon the horse race narrative.
Eric U.
@nonynony: Clinton’s debate prep book should be written by the Onion
@Cacti: you should see Gowdy’s juvenile records from the time he was arrested for skull-fucking a kitten
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Jeffro: If he was really hiring “the best people” he wouldn’t have to keep firing them, and his campaign would be going a lot better.
Ruckus
@D58826:
No, it’s that he wishes he could make up stuff and release it as the FBI files. Because he has nothing and he knows it. So he’s bullshitting about the FBI files, he knows they won’t release them, so no one can check what he says. But he also knows that if he bullshits his way through them, lying out his ass, he will get roasted for that. If he had anything, anything at all, he would have made something of it with his committee, that was the point of the entire effort. That he didn’t is because he couldn’t.
The Other Chuck
@schrodinger’s cat: “Not making sense” is in fact their goal. They think it’s some kind of performance art, but since they mostly only perform it amongst themselves, they’ve just descended into the gibberish patois of insider jargon common to many cults.
Ruckus
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?:
He is hiring the best people. The best that he can find, that will work for him. That they aren’t worth a shit is not his fault, they are the best available. To him. It is his fault that these are the best available to him, he limits his own choices by just being himself.
catclub
@Ruckus:
But it has already become expected that the FBI should release investigation files to Congress. Clinton rules only.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Dmbeaster: Clinton does not control the process?!?! But…but the Clintons control everything! That’s why everything the do skirts so close to ethical boundaries. When you are all powerful everything is a potential conflict of interest.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
That’s not quite how it happened, but it’s hardly worth arguing about.
Major Major Major Major
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: or nothing is.
SFAW
@Gelfling 545:
Of course.
You old fart.
D58826
The Clinton rules on the daily beast http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/26/can-president-hillary-survive-the-media-s-fake-scandals.html
oops see next tread
gene108
@Amir Khalid:
Mo was Jewish, along with his brothers Curly and Shemp. Larry Fine was also Jewish.
Brachiator
@gene108:
@Amir Khalid:
And Jerome Lester Curly Howard (or Horowitz) really had thick, chestnut hair and “an elegant waxed mustache.” He shaved it all off for the role.
Aimai
@Peale: its not the same deal. The clinton foundation is doing enormous good around the world. I have no idea what bush’s foundation has done.
Citizen_X
Regarding that stupid alt-reich story: we should hunt down PM Trudeau why, exactly? #Idontgetthesefuckers
And speaking of apostrophe abuse: “WE GOT EM’!”??? “EM'” what? Emo songs? And I know they meant “‘EM,” so…who are “them?” It’s “‘IM,” assholes.
Sigh. I think I’ll just go with “these guys are fucking idiots, on top of being racists.”
JR in WV
@MattF:
It’s right there on C-Span or Youtube. That’s where we saw it.
About 12 minutes in, I stopped and went to get my wife, started it over. We both thought it the most important speech, certainly in this election cycle, perhaps since Obama addressed the DNC in 2004.
It is chock full of verifiable facts proving every statement Hillary Clinton made about her opponent and his campaign. There are NO unsupported allegations, and anyone who says there are, is either ignorant, blind, or lying.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?414348-1/hillary-clinton-campaigns-reno-nevada
ETA: I had trouble with c-span, so here try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP6Q-OEXm4k
A Google search for “Video of Hillary’s Reno speech” gets over 2 million hits. They can’t cover this up~!!!
JR in WV
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
I watched some of that, good interviewer, working half in German, translating Trumps remarks, half in English speaking with Trump.
Trump was speaking clearly, quickly, and making pretty good sense. The difference between 2001 and today really is night and day… or more accurately day and night.
I fear you are correct about his health. 70 is well into the age where mental lapses have become a syndrome, rather than a single gaffe. Trump’s pretty much a continuous gaffe, now.
JR in WV
@Barb2:
That is an amazing dissection of the word salad, showing how carefully it is actually composed. Strongly recommend those articles!
Mnemosyne
@Trollhattan:
That’s why (IMO) the best way to fight the alt-right is not by being equally angry and outraged, but with contempt and mockery. They WANT you to be angry with what they posted. They don’t want you to be bored or make fun of them in a way they can’t respond to.
Many years ago, Michael Moore took an interracial group of dancers and clowns to lip-synch to “Put A Little Love In Your Heart” outside a neo-Nazi compound in Idaho. And, frankly, the neo-Nazis had NO idea how to respond. Just standing and staring, then doing a Nazi salute in response but clearly feeling stupid for doing it, but having no idea what else to do.
That’s the kind of response back to these guys. Or at least say, “What’s the deal with the frog? No, I can see it’s wearing a Nazi uniform, but why a frog? Yes, but what does a frog have to do with anything? Well, I guess I would be offended, but I still don’t get why there’s a frog there.”
Jack the Second
@mike in dc:
To hell with that, I want to see his long-form tax return, on the correct stationary.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: “So, if your symbol is a frog, does that mean you’re a bunch of Vichyists? If you’re really into the German-style Nazis, why not a nice bratwurst?”
Plantsmantx
Right. I’d like to see someone explain the “superpredator” theory to Trump without mentioning the buzzword “superpredator”, then get his opinion on it.
Central Planning
@Mnemosyne:
Is there a video or a picture of that somewhere? I would love to see it.