Donald Trump is expected to give a speech clarifying his position and policy on immigration this evening. It is unclear what effect his visit with Mexican President Pena Nieto will have on his remarks. The live feed of the post Nieto-Trump meeting press conference is embedded below (the press conference begins around the 20 minute mark). Followed by a live feed embed for Trump’s speech on immigration in Phoenix this evening.
ETA: I’m not exactly sure when Trump’s Phoenix event will start. I first saw it reported for 6 PM EDT, but that’s clearly not the case if its 6 PM local time in Phoenix, Mountain Standard Time, than this thing won’t start till 9 PM EDT tonight. The immigration speech is scheduled for 9 EDT! I have a fresh thread ready to go for that.
Trentrunner
I’m 100% mystified as to why Nieto agreed to meet with Trump.
Nieto really must be a shitty politician himself, with a 23% approval rating.
Hal
@Trentrunner: 75% of Mexicans view Trump in the negative. Unless he told the man off, there is no benefit to him. It’s mystifying.
Meanwhile, Chuck Todd is incredulous that some can’t see the that Trump did something beneficial to his campaign that wasn’t just a publicity stunt.
slag
“Clarifying”? A man who says what he means and means what he says needs no clarification.
scav
Here, instead of still more on the twin idiots, have a break with identical twin puppies.
lamh36
@Hal: Nope not even Joy Reid can make me watch @chucktodd & MTP
He just said HRC gave a big speech & crickets..WELL didya cover the speech chuck!
this tv media environment is a joke. @MSNBC @CNN whoever…don’t give 2 shits about fair coverage. all about ratings…print press no better
The media this cycle is garbage. If this is what “journalism” is supposed to be about then the lot of em can DIAF…cause they are all trash
jl
@Trentrunner:
” I’m 100% mystified as to why Nieto agreed to meet with Trump. ”
My understanding from stories about the visit, is that Nieto issued a pro forma invitation for some kind of meeting with both candidates before the election. I don’t think he expected to Trump to take up the offer in such an unexpected way.
Waldo
Now Trump gets to put his bullshit spin on the meeting with Pena: “I beat concessions out of him like he was a pinata! Sad.”
jl
@lamh36: wow. Thanks. I think about typing comments like that, then I chicken out. I am a loser… sad!
Villago Delenda Est
@Hal: When The Revolution comes, Chuckles the Toddler has a VERY low tumbrel manifest number.
Turgidson
@lamh36:
Chucklehead Todd would have covered HRC’s speech if it had been about her emails, the Foundation, and Benghazi, and then at the end she had a press conference.
Otherwise, that insufferable twit couldn’t care less what she says.
Baud
@lamh36: Agree.
Turgidson
@Villago Delenda Est:
Maybe after the first debate, he’ll pontificate about how Trump was “successfully messaging” when he lied about [pick anything, since Trump lies about everything]. I love it when Chucklehead Todd does that. Then maybe he’ll get all huffy if it is pointed out to him that, as a journalist, he might consider, you know, pointing out when Trump is lying about [anything], and say that’s actually not his job. Love that one too.
ETA: Almost forgot, maybe Chucklehead Todd will also claim that HRC “disqualified herself” when she said [anything, but probably something about her damn emails]. That’s my favorite.
Villago Delenda Est
@Turgidson: Well, it’s not his job to do journmalisming. It’s his job to attract eyeballs, and he goes for the lazy way to do so every single time.
lamh36
@Turgidson: it’s ridiculous and I already have blood pressure issues so I can’t watch Chuckles et al…unless I want my BP to shoot up
I mean with a damn straight face, he said “crickets” as if the media doesn’t have a choice in what the fuq they cover…
piratedan
@Turgidson: considering I get more relevant information via a 10 minute segment with Sam Bee than I do with a week of Check Todd, it’s not that much of a stretch to fathom why those tv numbers down.
Yeah, I know what the Clinton policies are, I’ve clicked on the link, seems like the majority of our MSM couldn’t even be bothered to click on the link.
lamh36
Trash–>
Baud
@piratedan: I hope the Clinton administration leads to a withering of the national press. She’s already going around them by focusing more on local and alternative media.
Adam L Silverman
@Villago Delenda Est: @lamh36: @piratedan: So I’m getting the impression that you all really need an open thread sometime to kvetch about Chuck Todd.
Also, I’m considering braving the monsoon and going to my favorite Mexican restaurant tonight as a protest.
lamh36
Of fucking course:
Donald Trump to show up, but not speak out at Detroit church
jl
@lamh36: I think Ringling Bros Circus aren’t using elephants anymore. I guess the corporate media got a great deal on shovels and carts to clean up huge steaming piles of animal dung that Trump and Co. leave lying around.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Not enough open threads in the world for that.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: How many Tbogg units of comments and Friedman units of time would it take to just pin it to the top of the site and let it populate?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: All of them, Katie.
Neabinorb
Don’t you think Nieto will be working for Trump industries or an affiliate in a few years?
piratedan
@Adam L Silverman: tbf, Chuck is just a fucking foot soldier Adam, he’s following orders… the guys that piss me off, are the ones directing and producing “the news” by constructing the frame on how the news will be presented and spun. Those are the guys that I want out on the street, doing something more worthy of their ability, like mucking out stalls.
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: Gawd no…my pressure is high enough…I just happened to get home and was channel surfing and saw Joy Ann Reid, who I love, and just so happen to catch that bit from Todd.
But it was enough…
jl
@lamh36: I always found it hard to believe he would really go through with it.
Wonder if media will call Trump on shifty, even dishonest, PR shenanigans. And will it cast shadows, clouds, vapors and sundry inauspicious mists over everything from now on?
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: you brave, brave man! Way to make a statement! Are you going to sit or stand when the Mexican National Anthem gets played? /
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: Will you also sing in the rain? That’s what monsoons rains are for, in movies anyway!
jl
@piratedan:
” mucking out stalls. ”
No, not that. They will mess things up if they don’t do that right.
Adam L Silverman
@piratedan: I think Todd is actually the politics producer or director for NBC. So he’s both coordinating the coverage, setting the editorial approach, and then playing himself on camera.
Emma
Guys and gals, the man’s last name is actually Peña Nieto. Father and mother’s last name, they both count. If you want to be informal it is Peña, not Nieto.
Baud
@Emma: Why no “y” in between?
schrodinger's cat
@lamh36: He is too chicken.
Adam L Silverman
I’m not exactly sure when Trump’s Phoenix event will start. I first saw it reported for 6 PM EDT, but that’s clearly not the case if its 6 PM local time in Phoenix, Mountain Standard Time, than this thing won’t start till 9 PM EDT tonight.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: I don’t sing period. I couldn’t carry a tune to save my life. There was a discussion about having me lip synch my bar mitzvah…
SenyorDave
I don’t get the impression that Trump’s meeting will have any real impact. His supporters will lap it up, I think the rest will see it largely as a photo op, and it will not be consistent with any policies.
Baud
@SenyorDave: The media is lapping it up. But then, you mentioned his supporters.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: Reid is a national treasure. I would like to see them retire Tweety and give her Hardball. And move that to 8 PM. I like Chris Hayes, he’s got the wonkery and minutiae down, but he can’t interview like Reid does. No one on that network can interview like Reid does.
piratedan
@Adam L Silverman: well… you made me go look it up:
from wikipedia:
Phil Griffin currently serves as the president and director of day-to-day operations at the cable network.[13] Pat Burkey and Janelle Rodriguez oversee programming and news operations at the network, with Brian Williams serving as the channel’s chief anchor and managing editor of breaking news coverage.[14]
Rodriguez hails from CNN and they (Rodriguez and Burkey) both report to Mr. Griffin, who is decidedly not a liberal.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: There may be Logan Act concerns.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: When anthems are played, American or other countries, I stand respectfully for all of them.
pluky
@scav: Id twins are not, they are just as adorably cute as only puppies can be. Thanks!
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: I like Hayes, but when I watch him, I feel like I’m watching a conversation among members of a private club that I don’t belong to.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: With your hand over your heart?
JPL
CNN is saying that Nieto told Trump that they would not pay for the wall. Did Trump lie? hmmmm
info from Reuters
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: correct. Chuck is no longer just the numbers guy…that’s now Steve Kornacki.
Chuckles has the power to change the type of coverage his does…just as Rachel does, just as O’Donnell does…or Matthews…etc.
Chuckles essentially took over Tim Russert’s position…which means yes…if he wanted to, he could lobby for fairer coverage, but he doesn’t, cause he NOT A JOURNALIST…he’s a numbers guy who got lucky
Miss Bianca
completely o/t, but do those of you who use LinkedIn – or have used it in the past – recommend it?
lamh36
raven
I thought it was a tad early!
Barbara
@Baud: Because they don’t do it that way. I have had numerous au pairs from Spanish speaking countries and it’s such a headache trying to explain to the DMV that their “first” last name isn’t their middle name but the beginning of a two part last name. And if their U.S. visa gets it wrong, I just tell them to go with the visa, given that they are here on such a temporary basis. Iranians also use a similar naming convention.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@lamh36: Don’t know if you saw Kos’ post or Booman’s take on it, but basically Kos thinks the national MSM is irrelevant anymore. I hope he’s right.
JPL
@lamh36: CNN is talking about it now. They actually think it could be part of the coverage for a few days. Of course, they didn’t call Trump out for his lie.
lamh36
@joshtpm
LOL! Trump Surrogates now saying: Who cares who pays for the wall!?!?
Baud
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Me too. Like I said, I think Clinton has smartly adopted the same strategy. The fact is, there was no way should could get a fair shake from them.
Barbara
@Baud: Is this how a democracy becomes an idiocracy?
dmsilev
Based on the countdown-timer thingy that CNN had running when I saw it at lunch time, 6 MST/9 EDT is correct.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: It was scheduled for 1800 in Phoenix (which is MST with no DST adjustment, so UTC -7 year-round — IOW, 2100 EST.) It is physically impossible for him to be there at that time.
Baud
@lamh36:
Some smart person had this to say the other day.
lamh36
Baud
@Barbara: No, it becomes an idiocracy when only the idiots vote in every election.
Patricia Kayden
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-considers-last-minute-meeting-in-mexico-with-the-countrys-president/2016/08/30/5a694790-6f12-11e6-9705-23e51a2f424d_story.html
Looks like Nieto invited both Clinton and Trump and for photo op reasons, Trump jumped at the opportunity. Not sure that Latinos can be fooled by Trump so easily.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Hayes is the embodiment of the 48 hour rule, he’s crappy on breaking news. He was great in weekends when he had time to prepare and digest the story.
Waldo
@lamh36: I expect Trump to lie about it, but that’s a net loss for him.
Baud
@Barbara: Thanks. I didn’t realize there was a divergence in how it was done. Is it by country or within country as well?
Iowa Old Lady
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I loved his weekend show. He assembled guests who were experts in their fields and was interested in learning details about how something actually worked, not just how it would affect the horse race.
? Martin
@lamh36: The Imaginot Line was always going to be payed for in Ameros.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I only watch MSNBC now if there is nothing else on. I wish there were some real alternative out there.
@Iowa Old Lady: Agree 100%.
Emma
@Baud: Most Latin Americans don’t use it. It’s a Spanish tick meant to distinguish between compound last names. Also, it has a whiff of aristocracy.
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
Yes, He is the Asshole Political Director of NBC
Villago Delenda Est
@Patricia Kayden: Latinos are smarter than the white trash that constitutes the Drumpfenproletariat.
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: As long as you can dance, I think lip syncing is okay.
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
Scheduled for 6.00 pm Mountain
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: For the American one? Yes. Unless I’m downrange and in issued uniform. Then I stand at attention. For other countries, I stand at attention.
schrodinger's cat
Can any Spanish speaking BJers tell us how this is playing in Mexico and the Hispanic communities here?
schrodinger's cat
@hovercraft: Is that 9 on the east coast?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: I should start doing that. Don’t want to be called out as a traitor.
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
I think you mean what Trump calls the ‘Johnson Act’, which is denying clergy their first amendment rights. True fact according to Trump.
the pause that depresses
@Patricia Kayden: everyone complaining about the media setting the bar underground is correct. But they seem to be forgetting that this isn’t going to improve Trump’s standing with Hispanic and Latino voters at all. At all. Nor will his speech tonight help him with this demographic. So, much sound and fury by mostly white Anglo journos, no closer to an actual victory at the polls.
Ian
Mountain time is 2 hours behind Eastern time. Arizona is weird because it does not follow daylight savings time.
Villago Delenda Est
@lamh36: Actually, the Toddler took over Dancin’ Dave’s position, as Dancin’ Dave took over Russert’s. Dancin’ Dave lost numbers. Good bye, Dancin’ Dave. If there is any reason to doubt that NBC’s motivation is about anything aside from revenue generation, there it is for you, right there.
hovercraft
@schrodinger’s cat:
Yes, if he makes it back on time, I expect he’ll be late.
jl
Heard on news that Nieto may be punking Trump after his visit. Heard that Nieto said he told Trump Mexico would not pay for the wall during their meeting.
That was kind of like telling Trump he could not flap his arms and fly to the moon (I meant, the idea was total nonsense from the start)
But still: Truimp: Weak! Liar! Loser! Dumb! Worse than Nobama!
Edit: Neito says Trump lying about what said during their meeting.
?BillinGlendaleCA
I saw this castle yesterday, maybe this is what Trump is thinking of for a wall.
ETA: It’s very classy.
Villago Delenda Est
6PM PDT, too, as the Pacific timezone switches from uniform to tango when DST is put into place. Arizona is on tango year round.
Cacti
@Ian:
Nothing weird about it.
When it’s 115 outside, nobody wants an extra hour of sunshine.
Major Major Major Major
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Where’s that?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major: It’s in the Hollywood hills, below the Hollywood sign, in the development originally known as Hollywoodland.
mike in dc
Clinton should do a speech on immigration and Latino issues very soon. Lock this fucker under 20% support.
hovercraft
@schrodinger’s cat:
Jose Diaz-Balat of nbc and Telemundo, pointed out that Nieto is at 23 % positive, terrible till you realize that Trump is at 3 % positive (I’m thinking Stockholm syndrome). This will not help either man in Mexico, and here Spanish media will be replaying everything he’s said about Mexicans over the last year to contrast it with what he said today. So in case you missed any of the insults, you’ll get to see them just as everyone is tuning in to the election.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: How far is that from Hollywood?
Miss Bianca
Do not go on Facebook until the election is over. Why do I keep ignoring that one simple rule? Then I might have gone for a while longer not knowing that my brother is saying things like, “At least Donald Trump has accomplished something. Hillary hasn’t accomplished anything except enriching herself and her family.”
OMFG WHERE DO THEY GET THIS SHIT FROM?!
Villago Delenda Est
@Miss Bianca: “Enrishing”? Really? While Teh Donald has spent his life making a small fortune from a larger one?
Oh, typo. Never mind. The thought is stupid enough without the misspelling :P
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I’d say 2 or 3 miles from Hollywood and Vine. All of my transportation yesterday was via public transportation and walking. I’ve become a real fan of public transportation this year and I owe it to you!
jl
Probably doesn’t need translation:
“Al inicio de la conversación con Donald Trump dejé claro que México no pagará por el muro.”
https://twitter.com/EPN/status/771118159654891520
At the beginning of my conversation with El Donaldo, I clearly stated that Mexico would not pay for the wall.
lamh36
MTP
Baud
@Miss Bianca: She’s a decent human being. That’s an accomplishment Trump can never have.
Major Major Major Major
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Cool. I thought it looked like California, which narrowed it down to California, Europe, and the mediterranean.
Villago Delenda Est
@jl: Clear as crystal. Suck it, El Donaldo de Dumboshit
hovercraft
@jl:
Nieto tweeted that he told Trump hell no. Trump people ‘off the record’ telling reporters that Trump is basically going to revert to form tonight, showing how macho he is. I went down there and told them what’s what.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Was it my promise to invest in and modernize our public transportation infrastructure that did it?
Villago Delenda Est
@hovercraft: El Donaldo, macho? Harry Potter with a dragon tattooed on his chest is macho. Teh Donald with an tangerine dream on his chest is not very macho.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@?BillinGlendaleCA: FYWP, won’t let me edit my comment. Hollywood Castle(as it’s called, you can Google it) is on a ridge just west of the batcave(Bronson Caves).
hovercraft
@Villago Delenda Est:
Will Trump call him lyin’ Nieto now ? Everyone who disagrees with him is a liar.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: No. It was your request for IR pics of the ocean.
hovercraft
@Villago Delenda Est:
Shhh, he thinks he’s a tough guy. Let’s not burst his bubble till November 8 th.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: At least I made a difference.
lamh36
@Miss Bianca: I’m on FB daily. I keep the peace on my TL thanks to my heavy unfriend hand. Friend or family, NO ONE is free from being unfriended. I tell everyone…my FB page is not a democracy…more like a dictatorship.
So yeah…I will cut off a mofo with the quickness. If you matter to me, I talk to you off of FB as well, so I don’t need to be FB friends with you
sharl
@schrodinger’s cat: I don’t speak Spanish, but I follow some people on Twitter who do, and who live in Mexico (I’d have to search a bit to find US-based folks of Mexican origin who are currently active on Twitter; ).
Both @AlGiordano and @MexicAnarchist are commenting on it, though speaking to different audiences I think. The short version: Mexicans are generally appalled that Trump was even invited, and they were already mad about their President, as reflected in really low poll numbers (23% approval, if I recall). The general feeling is that the guy invited Trump for his own personal political reasons: as an attempted distraction from much bigger, nastier issues vexing the Mexican public, and possibly a way to show how tough he could be against this American reality show doofus-turned-political-candidate-(and-still-doofus).
MexicAnarchist has been following the government killings of protesting teachers and students for the past months. A sampling of his tweets
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Then he took a look at U.S. coverage:
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Giordano is somewhat less passionate, but no less critical IMO.
lamh36
@BraddJaffy 1m1 minute ago
Clinton campaign updates statement “It turns out Trump didn’t just choke, he got beat in the room and lied about it”
Iowa Old Lady
@lamh36: And Trump is in the air. How much access would he have to the internet in his private jet?
Villago Delenda Est
@Iowa Old Lady: The same as anyone flying commercial, I expect.
lollipopguild
@Adam L Silverman: I think you meant to say”playing with himself on camera”.
Iowa Old Lady
@Villago Delenda Est: So none?
Major Major Major Major
@sharl: Thanks for the recommendations.
@lamh36: I mostly use the unfollow feature, myself. You can always bring ’em back after the election that way and they’re none the wiser. To me it’s quite a statement to unfriend somebody. Maybe I was never friends with completely horrible people in the first place, though there’s one guy who’s getting really close with the Kaepernick shit he’s posting.
I also have one FB friend who’s an important professional contact, but a very annoying white libertarian gun-humping dudebro, who always dumped on Hillary whenever I posted ANYTHING, so I just changed my privacy settings so that all my posts exclude him. Whee.
Villago Delenda Est
CNN is reporting that our cheeto-faced furor says that funding was not discussed.
Didn’t take him long to tell yet another lie.
Bobby Thomson
@Adam L Silverman: I wondered why you posted a feed for the 930 event so early. No, it was always going to be after 6 pacific, and now later if it happens at all.
jl
I think Nieto has to look up through 20 or so points of approval gap to even see Trump. So Nieto has a lot incentive to punk that fat fraud and all round bigot Donny.
WhatevsTrevs
@Ian:
Mountain Standard Time is 1 hour behind Mountain Daylight Time, and 2 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Since nearly everyone else uses daylight time, while in Arizona we’re still on standard time, that means we’re 3 hours behind Eastern Daylight Time. You’ll be correct in November.
Keith G
All this pissing and moaning.
Trump did do okay earlier today in a very narrow set of behaviors, but guess what…he is still Trump and he still has all the same issues he had 24 hours ago.
Speaking of issues, Hillary needs to keep the focus on policy issues and away from “Trump is crazy”. Carter tried that in 1980 and when Reagan refused to follow the plot, things got dicey. This is not 1980 and HRC is not Jimmy, but the principle still holds. If the campaign is made out to be what a monster Trump is and if he then miraculously muzzles the monster, it becomes a tighter race. GOP policies are still shit no matter how long Trump can fake being rational.
Major Major Major Major
@jl: I for one have absolutely no problem with him pulling some crazy stunt like this for his own benefit, if it hurts Don the Con.
@Keith G: Hillary talks about policies at length in almost every appearance.
dmsilev
@Iowa Old Lady:
Depends on whether he paid one of the in-flight-Internet companies to retrofit their gear into his plane. I’m guessing he’s cheap that way, so probably not.
Bobby Thomson
@Villago Delenda Est: 1) no habla; 2) no US press.
lamh36
@sharl: just curious, but how did he figure liberals were claiming victory?
lamh36
jl
@Major Major Major Major: I’m not a fan of Nieto, but in this case, I say, let him punk away at old Donny all he wants. Hope he does it in front of a big rowdy crowd. Nieto’s policies will still fail, so not much risk of him getting a permanent boost from Donny bashing.
Major Major Major Major
@Iowa Old Lady:
Anoniminous
To absolutely no one’s surprise …
The Commentariat Gushes Over How ‘Presidential’ Trump Was In Mexico
Bah.
jl
@lamh36: I think will be a problem if Trump can maintain and act like a normal grown-up for 90 minutes. I think the odds of that are low, but if we are unlucky, the low bar thing could be problem.
O. Felix Culpa
@Villago Delenda Est:
Mister Forkbeard
@Miss Bianca: I temporarily unfriended or hid some of my particularly crazy relatives and highschool friends. Held off on that entirely until one accused me of supporting a corrupt war criminal liar who was bought off and couldn’t stop explaining she was a woman and wanted to take our guns. I called that accusation ‘retarded’ (wasn’t particularly proud of that, but I couldn’t think of anything that seemed more apt) and he started going attacking me for saying ‘retarded’.
I just couldn’t take it. Told him he was a crazy conspiracy nut and unfriended him.
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
According to Kellyann, no one knows what her policies are because she hasn’t held a press conference for 50 years. She never talks about it because she’s hiding from the press.
jl
@Anoniminous: ’cause trump didn’t dump on the stage is why. But in this case, the stage may fly apart into policy chaos within hours after he leaves the country. How was Trump presidential, other than not acting weird on the press conference stage?
Major Major Major Major
@hovercraft: According to Kellyann Conway, Kellyann Conway is blonde.
Adam L Silverman
I’m going to repost the live feed embed for Trump’s speech to go at 9 EDT. As that’s when the speech will actually start.
lamh36
@Major Major Major Major: right…I have muted some folks as well. but I unfriended a number of folks as well.
Anoniminous
@jl:
For our Infotainment Mediums that was good enough.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Iowa Old Lady:
I wondered what the smell was.
lamh36
@Keith G: HRC had a policy speech today, but coverage was all Trump…which is what led to my comment way upthread
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: He wasn’t ever really the numbers guy. If you can’t finish a bachelor of arts in political science, you don’t get to call yourself a political statistician.
Iowa Old Lady
@jl: Which is probably why it’s a good idea for her to try to get under his skin during the debate. Provoke him so he doesn’t sound presidential.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@lamh36:
You’re right, of course, but what do we do so that we aren’t the vanquished 15 Not Trumps who also ran against him in the primaries? Whining looks weak. And I sure as shit want HRC to get airtime that does not include defense and explanation of emails.
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: Oh..I agree…but he was their go to guy during ’08 elections for all that number board bullshit, and now Kornacki does it on election nights.
It’s like the old weather girls…they tell the weather, but aren’t the real meteorologist, but ya still call em “weather girls” right?
Miss Bianca
@Major Major Major Major: Oh, THANKS, M4! Now I’m gonna have that running thru’ my head all night!
jl
@Anoniminous: That is about right for our crummy corporate media and their corrupt news diva hacks: Trump didn’t scrach and sniff his butt, vomit or pee himself, didn’t punch out Nieto or howl like a rabid dog. Voila…. Trump is presidential.
But Nieto saved us by calling Trump a liar just hours after Trump left the country and before Trump gives his big speech tonight.
Statue for the punk pres Nieto for DC? Maybe he is a hero? Saved our country? Whew…
Kenneth Kohl
Wait, so Rick Pitino is President of Mexico?
sharl
@lamh36:
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I doubt he worked up any kind of numbers/statistics to where he can say that was a widespread phenomenon. He’s very passionate especially about the Mexican government killings of poor teachers and students (reading his stuff off-and-on for awhile, I don’t blame him), so I can imagine him just getting more-and-more steamed as he read tweets that looked to him like mindless cheer-leading based more on Trump opposition than on knowledge of how bad non-elite Mexicans have it under their current President. Being a regular twitter user yourself, I’m sure you’ve seen this kind of thing in the numerous Twitter spats that go on 24/7.
Here’s the Think Progress post from which he screen-grabbed the headline that got him particularly riled.
It’s a specific manifestation of the leftists-vs-liberal thing that I’ve seen played out over and over again that goes way back (decades/centuries AFAICT), and most recently during and after Sanders’ primary run (with MexicAnarchist in the leftist camp, as “leftist” is currently defined especially by young Democratic Socialist types). There are a lot of components to all that of course; very messy…
Keith G
@Major Major Major Major: Of course she does. I say not say that she didn’t, but what is her top legislative priority? Top two? On day one she will……?
There might be a person or two here who can correctly answer that here who can a answer those. When the opportunity is presented, I ask people who they will be voting for and why and this year more than any in my memory, folks seem really hazy about policy (the exception being “the wall”).
germy
from rawstory
hovercraft
@Iowa Old Lady:
The media will still give him credit, remember Palin and Ryan fought Biden to a draw according to the media. It took the voters to clear up those misconceptions for them. The media seems to think that not falling on your face for a republican is an accomplishment. Fortunately for us the majority of the public still expects more. First they told us that the general would be very close, and they told us that Trump’s convention speech and the ones his kids gave saved his convention. Then when the democrats showed them how you’re supposed to run a convention, the media said the bump was small and wouldn’t last. Now in spite of the latest explosion of Clinton ‘scandals’ the only mentions she gets in the media these days are to report more scandals or her plummeting poll numbers. I saw a crawl on msnbc today that said Clinton unfavorable hit all time high 56, Trump unfavorable 63. They want a race and will do everything in their power to get one, but so far most people still prefer her to him. She still up at least 4 in the national average, and she’s ahead in most of the swing states.
Keith G
@lamh36: So, what was her elevator pitch?
Baud
@Keith G: Why should she emphasize one when there is so much to be done?
MJS
Hillary needs to stay focused on policy. To the extent she comments on Trump, it should be dismissive. On the other hand, her surrogates (looking at you Prof. Warren) can commence their Twitter barrage right about now. One sure way to cut the MSM’s “now he’s presidential” schtick is to goad him into a Twitter war.
Baud
@MJS: The final push begins after Labor Day.
germy
HRC is the matador. Elizabeth Warren is the picador. Trump is the bull.
dmsilev
Har. NYT:
It took a few hours, but I think Josh Marshall’s formulation of Trump’s Razor remains true.
eric
@dmsilev: we can just ask Putin, I am sure he had a mic in the room.
Mister Forkbeard
@germy: Don’t think the media will care too much about this, but I’m happy to be proven wrong. It may make him look less “presidential” if he went up there any immediately lied about his highest profile policy.
Bobby Thomson
@Anoniminous: those people are all Republican apparatchiks, fellow travelers, and Howard Wolfson. But I repeat myself.
Ruckus
@piratedan:
What do you have against horseshit?
Origuy
@Baud:
This was done historically, but is rare in Latin America now. I think it’s still done in Spain occasionally, especially in Cataluña.
germy
(crooksandliars)
Peale
@dmsilev: lol. I’m glad they are framing this as a failed negotiation, even though it was no such thing as I doubt negotiations were part of the agenda. Although I could do without the “perilous mission”. Mexico isn’t exactly the least tumultuous spot in the hemisphere, but come on. It’s hardly like a commando raid in the mountains.
Eta: a better framing all along would be that Trump was seeking Mexico’s blessing for his plan. That would irk him to no end.
Ruckus
@Miss Bianca:
I’ve used LinkedIn and still have an account. Seemed like a glorified FB to me. I used it to network about jobs for about 2 yrs with no results. Maybe if you had a particular talent, more in the tech business I’d think it might be good. A lot of it is people telling me how to advance myself by taking some course, and it reminds me of scientology in that regard. There’s always another course to audit to learn more about having say, common sense. Not about finding/developing it, just about how great it is to have some.
eric
so, he is either a coward or a liar: floor wax or dessert topping. douche!
rikyrah
Joey @60th_Street 2h2 hours ago
White people are not going win this election for Trump.
Joey
@60th_Street
People of color are going to save white people from themselves. Again.
Adam L Silverman
@Bobby Thomson: I got that finally figured out and have adjusted fire accordingly.
rikyrah
Josh Marshall is the Steve Benen of this election cycle.
Bless him.
Josh MarshallVerified account
@joshtpm
LOL! Trump Surrogates now saying: Who cares who pays for the wall!?!?
Adam L Silverman
Trump-Pence 1 has landed!
rikyrah
Jamil Smith @JamilSmith 19h19 hours ago Manhattan, NY
Trump has run for president for more than a year without once visiting a predominantly black community. But he’ll go to Mexico on a whim.
Calouste
“Trump went in like a pit bull and came out like a chihuahua.” — Mayor Antonio Vilaraigosa
eric
@rikyrah: he went to a palace, not mexico proper ;)
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: Pence exists? Are you sure; are there photographs?
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: His name’s now on the plane. They repainted it to sort of mimic the color scheme on Air Force 1 and have the Trump Pence signage where the AF1 seal normally is.
JMG
When (if) they debate, Sec. Clinton’s best move by far is to ignore Trump and speak directly to the audience. “This is what I’ll do as President, etc.” Ignoring Trump is the best way to send him into a mindless rage.
PS: Current poll results show I was right. Calling Trump the racist he is only draws white Republicans to him, as they of course couldn’t be racists.
Adam L Silverman
So plenty of red meat in the warm up to Trump’s talk. Right now they have family members on stage talking about their relatives killed by illegal immigrants. I think this is a tell on how things are going to go tonight. He’s going to go hardline. Pena Nieto’s now publicized contradiction will be worked in. He will claim Pena Nieto has stabbed him in the back, can’t be trusted, is an example of what Mexico is doing to the US. I think tonight’s speech is going to be very, very harsh.
eric
@Adam L Silverman: odds of a “those people” utterance? 2:1? better or worse?
Adam L Silverman
@eric: Not sure.
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: So he’s pivoted a full 360 degrees then? Again.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: I believe that’s a pirouette.
Keith G
@Baud: Because not everyone follows the campaign, or scans blogs, or goes to candidate sites. Those with a casual interest need a hook. A good marketing campaign distills a lot of information down to a focused message easy to comprehend, easy to remember.
Mike in NC
Picturing Trump down in Mexico makes me want to watch “From Dusk Til Dawn” all over again.
FlipYrWhig
@Keith G: What was Barack Obama’s elevator pitch or easy-to-recount list of policy priorities?
workworkwork
@Miss Bianca: Since I work remotely, I use it sometimes to keep track of my colleagues. Also, I got my current job as a result from a LinkedIn contact with an ex-boss.
Not saying it’s a miracle or anything – – it’s kind of the boring version of Facebook.