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This Lurch looking marine who asked about the VA just validated Hillary’s response, then said he didn’t really think she answered it.

Moderator: Your choices are vanilla or ebola.

Independent- I dunno, I’m still undecided. Vanilla didn’t give me the answer I wanted.

Seriously, stop interviewing independents.

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  3. 3.

    The Ancient Randonnuer

    Yea and Trump thinks the military needs courts? Sweet mother of all dumbasses the man is a blithering idiot. UCMJ … how can the nonominee of a major party not know that?

  8. 8.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    DIdn’t watch and I’m avoiding replays, but looking at twitter it looks like Matt Lauer is getting the shit kicked out of him. Good.

    @The Ancient Randonnuer: aren’t there like three CSI: Navy shows? you’d think if anybody is in the target audience for that, it’s Trump

  10. 10.

    Hunter Gathers

    Needed – white male undecided, independent voter.
    Must be dumber than a bag of hammers.
    Compensation – being on the TeeVee.
    Send resume to Matt Lauer care of NBC.

  11. 11.

    Kropadope

    @The Ancient Randonnuer:

    Yea and Trump thinks the military needs courts? Sweet mother of all dumbasses the man is a blithering idiot.

    Every statement of “fact” by Trump was either wrong or used misleadingly. His analysis amounted to he’s strong and the Democrats are weak. But Donald Chump didn’t pee himself, so WIN!!!

  12. 12.

    scav

    @The Ancient Randonnuer: Maybe he wants more gilt chairs with red velvet waiting around for him when he arrives on bases to make pronouncements. Baseball caps with America Is Now Great! Spelled out in diamonds and other tiara stylings.

  20. 20.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    Did anybody ask Trumpy why he didn’t have his ezcellent marksmen sons enlist to go fight those dirty muslins?

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    just boggles my mind that people can still be talking about the fucking emails at this point

    I’m curious: Has anyone on MSNBC alluded to what a, by all the reaction I’ve seen, godawful job Lauer did? I’m sure he was only chosen because of Williams’ problem with fantasies and fabrication, and their third choice probably would’ve been Andrea Mitchell, but my god….

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Aleta: Go out your way. I don’t have time to drive home to go out with my family. I have to go with my fallback. OTOH, depending on ATM rules, your method may be the second fall back – but I’d toss in some good champagne.

  31. 31.

    Corner Stone

    Anyone who says HRC deserves to be in jail should be chemically castrated.
    My God these people in Ohio are fucking morons.

  32. 32.

    MazeDancer

    Tonight Secretary Clinton mentioned she always read classified material on the classified system.

    That was a revelation to even news junkie me. There were two systems? Apparently this is so. Here’s a confirming tweet from John Harwood.

    That’s why the 3 – count ’em 3 – tweets with the missing header got sent on the wrong system. No one explains this in the news. America thinks Hillary put national security at risk by only using some kind of Play Station Server in her pantry in Chappaqua.

    When asked why isn’t this 2 system reality reported all the time, Mr. Harwood replied:

    unfortunately some people covering this Issue act as if they don’t want to know it

  41. 41.

    Adam L Silverman

    @MazeDancer: There are 3 systems. One for Unclassifed, one for Secret, and one for Top Secret. There are more levels of classification than those three, but those are the three systems for accessing them.

  42. 42.

    geg6

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    My John forces me to watch the original NCIS and, aside from the military jingoism, they often come from a rather liberal point of view. Terrorism is a law enforcement issue, taking care of our wounded ( whether physically or emotionally), against racism and discrimination, anti-torture and many other good stances. I think it’s because of Mark Harmon, who I believe is a quiet sort of Democrat.

  46. 46.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @efgoldman:

    The uniforms, inspired by ones that Nixon had seen on honor guards in Europe, featured “double-breasted white tunics, starred epaulets, gold piping, draped braid, and high plastic hats decorated with a large White House crest.”

    Shakos and forrageres.

  50. 50.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @geg6:

    think it’s because of Mark Harmon, who I believe is a quiet sort of Democrat.

    He was also QB for my Bruins.

  51. 51.

    PPCLI

    @MazeDancer: Yes, there are times when I want to tear my hair out over this. This was for personal email. She worked very hard to keep classified material out, but on a handful of instances (18), in tens of thousands of emails, material at the lowest level of classification, but nothing Secret or Top Secret, was sent to her by careless correspondents, without the identifying header.

    That is what all this is about.

    So the idea that by using this server Hillary was “exposing state secrets” is simply ridiculous. State secrets were discussed on the State Department network.

    This is so consistently obscured by journalists that it is inconceivable that most of them aren’t obscuring it on purpose.

  56. 56.

    Rachel

    I think the proper analogy is chicken or shit with the glass in it (thanks to David Sedaris):

    “The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?”

    To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.The flight attendant comes down the aisle with her food cart and, eventually, parks it beside my seat. “Can I interest you in the chicken?” she asks. “Or would you prefer the platter of shit with bits of broken glass in it?”

    To be undecided in this election is to pause for a moment and then ask how the chicken is cooked.”

  57. 57.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @MazeDancer: This came up in the hearing with Draco Malfoy, and I understood exactly what was going on, but then again, I used to hold a security clearance and knew all about these basic issues of security protocols.

    The morons of the MSM, however, even if this is explained to them the way you explain it to a three year old (h/t Allison Janney as C.J. Cregg) don’t get it, because it violates the narrative to understand how this shit works.

  60. 60.

    MazeDancer

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Three systems!

    It’s truly crazy these 3 levels aren’t discussed in all this email insanity.

    @PPCLI:

    This is so consistently obscured by journalists that it is inconceivable that most of them aren’t obscuring it on purpose.

    Basically, what Harwood just said on Twitter.

  66. 66.

    Vhh

    @MazeDancer: of course, this was known. The private server was for unclassified stuff, esp on travel. In the same time frame, I had to to the same thing in my (unclassified) research job.

  75. 75.

    Mnemosyne

    It’s a good thing this FODMAPs-friendly (gluten-free) chili mac I made turned out okay, because I made WAY more than I thought. There’s at least three servings left, if not four.

    (Since there are other FODMAPers and/or gluten-free folks here: 1 lb of lean ground beef browned in infused oil, chili seasoning with no onion or garlic, 1 can of regular diced tomatoes, 1 can of diced tomatoes with mild chilies, green onions, cooked gluten-free (rice) pasta and shredded sharp cheddar stirred in at the very end.)

  77. 77.

    Mike J

    Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 2m2 minutes ago
    So, the NYT writeup on the vets’ forum tonight was very long but literally didn’t mention Trump’s comments on Putin.

  78. 78.

    mike in dc

    On substance Clinton was solid as a rock. Trump just bullshitted his way through 30 minutes, rather poorly at that. I can understand his appeal to non-college educated whites and non-appeal to those with degrees. If you’re college-educated I reckon it’s easier to see he has no fucking idea what he’s talking about.

  80. 80.

    FlipYrWhig

    @PPCLI: But that’s just it. They’re not really reporting a story about classification levels and email. They’re reporting a story about what people THINK about classification levels and email–a/k/a optics, a/k/a Questions Being Raised–and to do that, knowing something about the substance only gets in the way.

  83. 83.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mike J: Much as I read everything from the AP with a skeptical eye because I figure a lot of the people there were hired, promoted or mentored by Fournier or Sidoti, it seems like that even after all these years, the Times is still carrying some kind of anti-Clinton infection from Howell Raines

    His longest-lasting assignment with The Times began in 1993, when he left Washington for New York to become the paper’s editorial page editor, a position he held for eight years. The aggressive, colloquial style of his editorials, especially those critical of President Clinton and his administration, drew widespread notice and a share of criticism, not least because it differed from the measured tone for which Times editorials had been known.[5][6]

    and his successor was Bill Keller, so…

  86. 86.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Hey, have we all talked about the adjective word order thing yet?

    Until I saw that article the other day, I had never seen nor followed that rule, and I’m a bit of a grammar snob. Must be a limey thing.

  88. 88.

    nonynony

    @lamh36: Well I am certainly shocked. The very idea that Colin Powell would LIE about something is so very surprising that I need to go have a lie down. I mean, it would be one thing if we were talking about a man who was instrumental in covering up atrocities in Vietnam or lying about WMDs in Iraq, but this is Colin Powell who I have been assured by the media is an honorable man.

  94. 94.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    the twitter accounts I follow, including self-described Republicans Josh Barro and Daniel Dresser, and a bunch of conservatives retweeted like Tom Nichols and Stuart Stevens, seem to agree that a) Lauer did a terrible job and b) Trump all but took a shit on the stage and then smeared it on his own face.

    Tweets from Lauer’s colleagues Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell seem to agree with what little of Brian Willams and Nicole Wallace i could stomach: It was a tie and Clinton and Trump both lost.

  100. 100.

    divF

    @efgoldman:

    forrageres

    Not to be confused with the aiguillette, which in turn is not to be confused with the Blue Infantry Cord. My father wore the latter with his dress uniform.

  105. 105.

    redshirt

    @amk: “And we should, like, give them World Peace, and totally give the whole world World Peace because that’s the best way to bring about World Peace.”

  107. 107.

    divF

    @Omnes Omnibus: Actually, I just tracked it back in The Wikipedia. I remember the Blue Infantry Cord (but not the name or the reason) from childhood, and wanted to figure out the difference.

  108. 108.

    Corner Stone

    It is simply disgusting to have Hugh Hewitt on the same panel discussion as Gen McCaffrey. And I have my own issues with the Gen.
    But for fuck’s sake.

  109. 109.

    Taylor

    @Mike J:

    Journalists reacted with disbelief on Wednesday night when NBC anchor Matt Lauer failed to fact check Donald Trump on his claim he did not support the Iraq war in 2002.

    Let’s see if anyone squawks when that happens at the debates.

  110. 110.

    Peale

    @nonynony: yep. He lied. And it appears that he purposefully didn’t keep a back up. And I bet he also broke the “no classified stuff on my blackberry” rule, which is why he’s lying.

    I think though, it’s the blackberry that’s the problem, as people imagine that Hillary would be checking top secret files while, say, waiting at the airport to pick up her luggage after that red-eye commercial flight to Europe.

  111. 111.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    @efgoldman: I think the Donald would look good as a Zoauve. Blue tunic, red pantalloons chestful of medals leading the charge against Daesh!

  113. 113.

    Miss Bianca

    @Mike J: Yeah, but the tweet I’d really like to see is “Journalists react with disbelief to Matt Lauer’s bringing up the emails for the 544th time”

    Yeah, I’m gonna keep breathing.

  114. 114.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mr Stagger Lee: I think Peter O’Toole’s costume from Lawrence of Arabia, the robes would hide his paunch and the headress would give him back that hour a day he spends letting the gibbon pelt dry in the morning

  118. 118.

    hueyplong

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: My favorite bowl game of all time is UCLA’s win over undefeated Ohio State after the 1975 season, known in our house as the Wally Henry Game.

    I think UCLA had a defensive back who called himself Dr Death.

  120. 120.

    Quinerly

    OK, I have to ask…and I can’t find a comment in any of the threads nor any news outlets reporting on it….didn’t anyone think that one of the most bizarre things in the forum was when Trump talked about the two classified briefings he has had and the “body language of the briefers”….how he had learned something shocking/surprising in the briefings and he implied that Pres Obama wasn’t listening to the “experts” Obviously, this is an out and out lie. Why isn’t this being covered? Did I dream this? He’s pathological.

  122. 122.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @hueyplong: That was the first UCLA bowl game I remember. It played in Japan and the Japanese still have an affinity for UCLA. We used to see quite a few Japanese tourists on campus when I was a student.

  124. 124.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Quinerly: I’m seeing a lot of tweets about it. I gave up on CNN a long time ago, but as I recall Barbara Starr is one of their better reporters

    ‏@ jamesoliphant
    CNN’s Barbara Starr said Trump would never be told in a briefing there was a rift btwn military and president.

  125. 125.

    Tazj

    @Quinerly: I didn’t catch the forum on television but I saw the video of Trump saying this on Chris Hayes’ Twitter. Yes, Trump is very Presidential revealing what went on at secret DNI briefings. Of course what he said was ridiculous. I think most sane people can now agree that this wasn’t a tie.

  126. 126.

    PPCLI

    @Miss Bianca: It would also have been nice to see “Lauer asks about emails. Clinton clearly points out in simple language why this is a minor matter. Thank heavens that is finally cleared up.”

  127. 127.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Brian Beutler ‏@ brianbeutler 1h1 hour ago
    The problem is many Republicans have been told it’s patriotic to believe Obama is an America-hating saboteur.
    stuart stevens @ stuartpstevens
    It is difficult to imagine anyone with a shred of patriotism believing this garbage.

    it was a key part of VSP-beloved and reform icon-promoted Li’l Marco Rubio’s stump speech

  128. 128.

    Joel

    According to my Facebook trendy-thing, approximately 5700 people are talking about this thing that happened tonight.

    That’s about 10% of the number of people talking about a Southwest Airlines Flight Attendant, apparently.

  129. 129.

    PPCLI

    I just got to the part of Trump’s ramble where he endorses the principle that if you successfully invade a country you have the right to loot it.

    I keep trying to think of something to say, but I am really speechless. How is he getting a pass on these things?

  132. 132.

    dmsilev

    @PPCLI:

    I just got to the part of Trump’s ramble where he endorses the principle that if you successfully invade a country you have the right to loot it.

    Well, that is sort of how he runs his businesses, so…

  133. 133.

    sigaba

    @PPCLI:

    How is he getting a pass on these things?

    That’s to be seen, I guess.

    You all realize, Lauer’s reading all these condemnations on twitter right now and is saying to himself, “Yes, everyone’s attacking me, that means I was evenhanded.”

  134. 134.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @PPCLI: Pottery Barn rule*, you broke it you own it.

    *Al Franken of the O’Franken Factor checked and Pottery Barn says that’s not their rule.

  143. 143.

    Mart

    @Omnes Omnibus: I did not mean to overlook the other dirty old hippie, bin laden loving, ‘Murica hating Balloon-Juicers who should move to Canada. Actually thinking about how all my neighbors and coworkers treated me, and the group think that America entering a preemptive war was an outstanding idea. Very few public faces spoke out against for good reason as all that did were ridiculed (Garofalo), fired (Donahue), or Dixie Chicked. Some of the personal attacks scared the living shit out of me.

    No way a self absorbed media douche like Trump would be a maverick on the topic from the get-go. When the war got on folks nerves after a couple years, yeah sure I see him flip flopping pro and con depending on his audience.

  145. 145.

    Mike J

    Steve Rosenberg Verified account @BBCSteveR
    Trump on Putin: “I think when he calls me brilliant, I’ll take the compliment. OK?” Putin didn’t. He called Trump “яркий” (bright/colorful)

  147. 147.

    Peale

    @PPCLI: well to be fair, I think he’s being consistent with his domestic policy as well. There’s noting about this guy and the way that he runs his business and comports himself that would lead me to believe he could make a distinction between what’s his and what’s the government. The scoundrels he surrounds himself with will make Reagan’s HUD department chiefs look like novices.

    Agencies will be Unauditedable in six months. Broke in 12.

  150. 150.

    sigaba

    @Mart:

    When the war got on folks nerves after a couple years, yeah sure I see him flip flopping pro and con depending on his audience.

    Open question as to wether he’s a liar, suffers from some sort of emotional disorder that convinces himself that he’s always being consistent, or he suffers from sort of senility.

  156. 156.

    nutella

    Have you all seen this?

    NYT replaced an article about the ‘forum’ tomight with a completely different one. No notice of the change.

    Diffs
    Via

  158. 158.

    Repatriated

    @nutella: And they’ve done it yet a third time (significant edits, including adding in a mention of the Putin remarks).

    Still no visible indication that it’s been edited at all.

    Very odd.

  161. 161.

    nutella

    @nutella:

    At least the (third) article was more even-handed than we usually expect from the NYT. I guess if the video evidence is right in front of their faces, and their readers’ faces, they are less likely to twist it.

  163. 163.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Tweets from Lauer’s colleagues Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell seem to agree with what little of Brian Willams and Nicole Wallace i could stomach: It was a tie and Clinton and Trump both lost.

    Well, Trump is the one behind, so he changed no minds which he has to do, so he lost in other words.

  164. 164.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Trump says he didn’t support the Iraq War, woop f**king deal. He’s talking about not just war, but total war in Syria. How was Iraq bad, quagmire, but Syria, son of Iraq, not another quagmire and good? Sounds like a bit of contradiction, to bad no one the press can bring this up.

  168. 168.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @efgoldman: Alas, I can’t claim credit…I picked it up over at Wonkette. It may have been something some Scotsman came up with to refer to Drumpf.

  169. 169.

    sukabi

    @redshirt: considering his own youthful dabbling that’s been made very public pretty sure she’ll have some eyerolls to throw dad’s direction… plus they’ve got less than 6 months and ZERO fucks left…

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