Clinton unleashes allies on Trump as general election hits home stretch https://t.co/VN32N4PNe4 pic.twitter.com/wrIXSkkt63
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) September 7, 2016
[warning: autoplay]… The list of surrogates hitting the trail this month includes President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama, Clinton’s former Democratic primary rival Bernie Sanders, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Vice President Joe Biden and celebrities like Tony Goldwyn and Don Cheadle, the campaign said Tuesday.
“Now that we are past labor day, Democratic leaders are kicking it into high gear to make the case that Hillary Clinton has the ability to do the job of Commander-in-Chief and President on day one,” a spokesperson for the Clinton campaign said in a statement. “She appreciates their support.”…
Apart from pious both-siderism, what’s on the agenda for the day?
Also, via NYMag, more proof that anyone who tries to make a deal with Donald Trump will end up regretting it:
… According to Popick, a field director for the Trump campaign said they weren’t able to pay the girls, but offered them a space to sell merchandise at the rally. Figuring they could make up the difference with T-shirt and CD sales, Popick agreed, but when he arrived at the rally no such space was available. Worse, after the girls performed, they returned to their car to discover all their merchandise had been stolen.
For any lesser group, that would’ve been it. But, encouraged by the promise of future gigs, the Freedom Kids agreed to appear at a Trump rally in Iowa — only to have the Trump campaign cancel on them after they’d flown cross-country. Then the campaign made them agree not to talk to the press, which was the last straw…
p.a.
Language nerds: nice article at BBC News (it’s from my iPad app so I cannot find a g-d way to copy a link) on adjective order in English (and Murcan). Here’s a sample:
The order of adjectives, according to the book’s author Mark Forsyth, has to be: opinion-size-age-shape-colour-origin-material-purpose.
“If you mess with that word order in the slightest you’ll sound like a maniac, he warns in the extract. “It’s an odd thing that every English speaker uses that list, but almost none of us could write it out. And as size comes before colour, green great dragons can’t exist.”
OzarkHillbilly
Hopefully I’ll see the doc. My appt was made for 10 am tomorrow but they called me at 4 with another arrangement, one I could not understand on my cell phone due to lack of coherent signal here. I called back from my home phone but their office phones were already shut down for the day. Meanwhile, they were calling back on my cell phone (which never rang) and leaving a message of some sorts that I could only get bits and pieces of. I’ll call them when they open and keep my fingers crossed that I did not miss my window of opportunity. I am tired of dealing with this shit and while I know it won’t get resolved this week, I’d like to at least have an idea of what where when is next.
Botsplainer
Diving again this morning, assuming my ears cooperate and equalize. Yesterday, went with the divemaster, his super hot girlfriend and some other folks that dived with us yesterday to an unofficial nude beach next to a nude swinger resort (there is apparently a “good times” exterior area on the roof, which we could not see). It was fun, and I was well-behaved.
I do have to say that the people at the “fun times, good times” place were more attractive than I would have thought – I was surprised. They skewed 50 and up, but looked to be in decent shape.
rikyrah
Good Morning ?, Everyone ?
frosty
This comment violates the instructions to “Keep Calm”. This week I’ve been reminded of 2004 when Kerry lost the election in August getting swiftboated. The Republicans set the narrative and the Democrats were silent, off doing something or other. Clinton just spent August fundraising while this Foundation BS got sold as the truth.
I sure hope her surrogates can turn the story around in September, but I’m not feeling too confident.
PS and why the f*ck have I been awake for the last hour and a half????? Ugh. Gonna turn off the light again and try to get an hour’s sleep.
rikyrah
@OzarkHillbilly:
Hope that the appointment goes well.☺?
frosty
@rikyrah: Good night rikyrah! (I hope).
Schlemazel
Fist day back to work after a week and a half of vacation. Can’t say I’ve been missing it, Bob.
@OzarkHillbilly: The waiting is the hardest part. Hopefully they were just calling to remind you of your appointment or something equally innocuous.
OzarkHillbilly
@Schlemazel: I caught enuf to know that the doc made an opening for me today (he really is one of the good ones), noonish, but there was a bunch of caveats involved that I didn’t understand a word of. We’ll see.
rikyrah
@frosty:
W was a sitting President.
Now, the sitting President is popular and on our side.
The nuts and bolts of elections?
Team Hillary is on it
Up
to us…..GOTV
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@p.a.:
There’s an interesting post and discussion thread on Forsyth’s modifier order “rule” (shorter: as ever, in English, there are lots of interesting exceptions) over at Language Log.
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: Hope you get in. When I was in the recovery room the doc seemed to say he’d write me an excuse to get out of upcoming jury duty. I called yesterday and his nurse said, “nope, you can sit there”! Pissed me off.
raven
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: I never had a clue what your posts are about.
OzarkHillbilly
Poor Phyllis wasn’t even cold before the hyenas began tearing the carcass of her political operation apart. If they don’t don’t get her in the ground soon there might be nothing left to bury.
craigie
Huh. Where have I seen this story before?
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: I’ve only been called for jury duty once. Got out of it by virtue of the fact that I had just moved out of Crawford Co. Didn’t even have to go to the courthouse, just made a phone call.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@raven:
What, all of them? Join the club….
raven
@OzarkHillbilly: Shit, I get called all the time. I’ve been on two heavy duty criminal cases and four or five smaller ones. The last pool I was on there were 50 people. They asked if anyone had been on a “physical confrontation”. I was the only one and the guy asked “can you tell me about that”. I said “how much time do you have”. I got excused on that one.
raven
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: :)
rachel
@p.a.:
They can’t exist without context, but when the topic under discussion is great dragons, and you want to specify the green ones from among them, then ‘green great dragons’ is what you say
Tokyokie
If I were to stop paying my mortgage, would I get to keep the house and be recognized as a brilliant businessman?
Schlemazel
@raven:
Jury duty isn’t too horrible here. They send you home if they don’t need you, you have to call in twice a day (morning & noon) and report in an hour if they do need more bodies. Then, if you do get on a case they send you home for good after that is over. I think I was at the courthouse a total of 4 days last time. The only really annoying part was having to listen to the opinion of some of the other jurors, I pray I never have to depend on the wisdom and common sense of my fellow man to survive.
There was one hilarious guy there who the punished by making him show up every day. He was trying so hard to get out of it. He started by announcing to the room that as a Christian he was forbidden from judging anyone else. When that didn’t work he went into this long rant about how he saw his father killed, and his mother killed and his brother die from drugs and he really couldn’t afford to be here because he was his mothers sole support . . . the defense attorney caught that right away and started laughing. The Judge caught it too & ordered him to go back to the jury room & remain there.
?BillinGlendaleCA
No hike for me yesterday, the kid texted me that she thought she was coming down with a cold.? I’m thinking of doing an urban hike though some of the old neighborhoods in Gramercy Park area(also known as Sugar Hill). Quite a few old mansions, UCLA’s Clark Library, and the First AME Church.
I was watching Joe-less Morning Joe, Barnicle seems to have figured out the that the media is tilted too much to investigating HRC and not enough on Trump. Mika still has issues with HRC and email, CLICK!
JPL
@OzarkHillbilly: I just hope that you can find out what’s going on. Good luck!
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
Best of luck, I hope things go better than they have been.
SFAW
@OzarkHillbilly:
Not sure if you’re saying that as if it’s a bad thing.
OzarkHillbilly
@Schlemazel: Stupid is as stupid does.
OzarkHillbilly
@SFAW: I can detect the sarcasm in your faux confusion.
p.a.
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: @rachel:
Interesting discussion there. We usually think of English as a very flexible language (vs the inflected ones) but it’s sometimes not the case. AmerEnglish is wonderfully promiscuous, nation of immigrants yadda yadda. Is BritGlish? My completely uninformed, lacking research or evidence thought is that it isn’t, possibly because the class system there would serve as a gatekeeper. (Well, an admitted and consciously active class system vs the US where, of course, 80% of the population is middle class ;-o)
Matt McIrvin
@Schlemazel:
That’s what the OP is about, isn’t it?
(I have jury duty today.)
germy
Have any of you read the statement from ITT-Tech? Basically a bunch of words saying “This sad injustice, 8000 employees will lose their jobs, overreach by the despicable federal gov” etc.
The sad thing is I saw a brief segment on our local news with some students angry that their school had been taken away from them.
Thanks Obama!
Cat48
The GOP have decided they can keep the house & senate bc Trump has calmed down & doesn’t present such a risk, per Politico. This makes me nauseous.
Luthe
@p.a.:
Many a sci-fi/fantasy author would beg to differ.
opiejeanne
@germy: I wonder what percentage of the 8000 employees are involved with advertising and handling the money scammed from their ill-informed students.
A JC will provide a better education for far less money, especially in California, so I don’t understand why anyone thinks these for-profit schools are the way to go. De Vry needs to go away too, if it hasn’t already.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@p.a.:
I suspect the level of language flexibility and promiscuity in Britglish is just as high – if not higher, once you get past the confines of Received Pronunciation. Think cockney english, scouse, York-, Shrop- and many other -shires english, Scottish english, Polari, Asian (Indian/Pakistani etc) english, Auden english and endless other variations…
Like…
SFAW
Meanwhile, in the latest girl-on-girl misogyny action, The Always Clueless Joan Vennochi has a not-snarky-enough-to-be-MoDo column about Hillary and Elizabeth Warren. Although it’s relatively tame for Vennochi, the “We hates the strong wimmins! We hates them forever!” is still palpable.
bystander
Modifier order? I was working with a bunch of lawyers who couldn’t understand prepositions. All prepositions are the same so you can use “for” when you mean “of” because there’s no difference between the two. Modifier order would have required a whole other level of discussion.
opiejeanne
This evening we are flying home after two weeks in SoCal. We’ve been up above the bad air (stupid brushfires) in the San Bernardino National Forest. Beautiful and sunny, but it’s so dry here that my nose has bled a little once or twice. I understand it’s been raining back home in Washington which will be nice too.
OldDave
@p.a.:
followed by the woes of using a tablet and the difficulty in saving a link. I have that T-shirt, BTW.
Perhaps this is the link you wanted to include.
p.a.
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: LMAO. catfight!
debbie
@Schlemazel:
I was on jury duty in NYC. At the end of a very long week, some guy grabbed a guard’s gun and started firing it. Aside from the inherent danger, the sound of the ricocheting bullets on marble walls had my ears ringing for hours. I could not have been happier to be dismissed after they got control of the situation.
p.a.
@OldDave: thanks!
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
Hope you get in there quickly. Good luck!
Kay
Would someone call Joy Reid and ask her to interview Joseph Farah on Trump’s birther crusade?
Joseph Farah is the individual Donald Trump called “several times” when he was launching birther campaign in 2012.
She can interview Farah on what Trump said and then give Trump a chance to respond. They don’t need Trump. They can use witnesses who spoke to Trump. They have one, Farah. I bet there are others.
They would do this with any other candidate. The candidate is refusing to answer. Time to call the witnesses.
germy
@opiejeanne:
I’m guessing it has something to do with the power of advertising. I’m always seeing TV commercials for these for-profit schools. They purposely target the most vulnerable: single moms stuck in low-wage jobs, frustrated young men who are still living with their parents, etc.
rikyrah
@Cat48:
Did you see the segment last night on Maddow about the 50 state poll?
The results were interesting to say the least.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Polari
RobertDSC-iPhone 6
Bernie can lecture Trump on how to avoid disclosing his taxes.
Why anyone would listen to that old shouty man on anything is beyond me. Just be quiet. Forever.
bystander
@Kay:
I think somebody on her staff reviews Facebook comments. Reid has really taken the lead on the Bondi/Trump story which is front and center on Morning Joe this AM. Of course,it has to be said that Trump’s obvious pay-for-play arrangement with Bondi doesn mean that Clinton isn’t guilty of the same thing even if there is no evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing and both the Clintons’ tax returns and those of the foundation are fully disclosed.
Kay
So much for “we don’t exercise any editorial discretion because information wants to be free”
They’re political operatives now- nothing more. Power is a hell of a drug. Even high-minded libertarian crusaders get drunk on it.
I hope she continues to ignore him. Sleazy dictatorial behavior.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: She could ask him about this 2013 tweet from Trump:
That’s some InfoWars-level shit there.
opiejeanne
@Kay: I tweeted your suggestion to her.
Kay
@bystander:
Good! Tell her. It’s bullshit that they need Trump as the sole source for Trump’s birther crusade. They have the person he called when he launched it. In what world do we rely solely on the candidate to speak on the candidate anyway? Since when? “Oh, well. Trump won’t answer the question. That’s that I suppose!”
Ask someone else what Trump said. Then give Trump a chance to respond. Them’s the rules for every other candidate. They really need to broaden this inquiry beyond asking Donald Trump questions, all of which he refuses to answer. They can’t just pack up and go home when Donald Trump refuses to vet Donald Trump.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@opiejeanne: One of these days when you’re down here you should schedule some time for a meetup with the crazies here in LA. We’d love to meet you and we don’t bite(too hard).
Iowa Old Lady
@debbie: Guess I can’t complain about my boring jury duty after all! Holy cow.
OzarkHillbilly
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Where’s the fun in that?
Kay
@opiejeanne:
Thanks.. It’s hard because I’m like “call the witness!” I get het up in these situations :)
I’m like a 5 year old wiggling around in my seat. “Ooooh, I know!” :)
Matt McIrvin
I have become convinced that several percent of liberals actively want Trump to win and bring the apocalypse just so they can say “told you so” about the need to nominate Bernie.
debbie
@Iowa Old Lady:
Worse was that I learned my reflexes at the sound of bullets are slower than they are when I spot a spider or yellowjacket.
SFAW
@Kay:
Well, he could be having Chief Editor Korir make the decision, so it’s all good.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: Now Kay, why on earth would the folk in the press want to do that. There’s concerns about Hillary’s emails and the Foundation(this is what Mika said today), they might get to birther stuff in President Trump’s second term.
ETA: And Mika was talking about how both candidates are viewed at untrustworthy, gee wonder how that happened. I’ve heard that Mika is actually pretty bright, I’ve seen no evidence on air to back up that claim.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I’ve never seen that one.
He never fucking shuts up. He called the conspiracy theorist , Hanah, “several times”. You know he called other people. They’re crazy people. They’ll happily go on tv.
SFAW
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
That’s optimistic. They might get to it by his fourth or fifth term. If he lets them.
amk
Trump is right: Hillary Clinton doesn’t look like past presidents
Matt
Actual quote from the leader of the Free Dumb Kids crew:
There’s a sucker born every minute, but none were born for ten minutes on either side of Popick because he used up all the quota…
?BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: You have to go to San Francisco for that.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Matt McIrvin: I have a Republican friend who wavers between Johnson curious and “Burn It All Down” and voting for Trump. Being that he works for a defense contractor, I don’t think he realizes he’s in the house that’s on fire.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@amk: Neither does President Obama.
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: So, you were familiar with the sounds of bullets and therefor nonplussed by the ricochets? I rather suspect that the next time around, your familiarity with them will prod you into flight/flight** action much quicker. :-)
**not a typo
Matt McIrvin
@?BillinGlendaleCA: A remarkable number of people who want to destroy the government either have government jobs or directly depend on government contracts.
amk
Kay
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Day 544 of email coverage.
Still not a single document from Trump, outside the doctor’s letter which has been discredited, BTW.
Let’s count the disparity. How many pages of documents have they reviewed on Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump? Several thousand to one at this point.
Yet she’s the secretive one. What a joke.
Mika better hope he doesn’t win and they vet him afterwards and find something. Massive fucking failure on their part. It’s not fair that GOP voters didn’t vet Trump and then the entire Republican Party failed to vet Trump, but this is where we are- it’s all up to them. If they fail it won’t get done. It’s like dominoes falling. They’re the last one standing.
amk
@?BillinGlendaleCA: And hence all the batshit crazy.
Kay
@amk:
GOP voters aren’t going to save them, though. They’ll look at that and say “the establishment hates him”
They’re wholly relying on an outside event. At some point they should admit the cavalry isn’t coming. They all failed.
OzarkHillbilly
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Well then, I’ll just skip SoCal altogether.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: There was also Trump’s financial disclosure that is about as fanciful as the “doctor’s” letter. I think Trump wrote both of them.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: Heh, don’t make me get out my whip.
amk
@Kay: It might help the trump curious indies and what is left of the saner gop. His base is nutz.
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
I think that was my first time hearing bullets, period. I don’t know if it was surprise or trying to locate where they came from, or both. Whichever, it wasn’t smart.
nonynony
@Matt: There’s a guy who is a ripe target for affinity fraud.
Wait a minute….
p.a.
Any Texas Juicers? Beaumont Animal Services has 4 dogs scheduled for last roundup tomorrow. Adopt, or maybe get them transferred to a no-kill shelter.
gogol's wife
The Colbert video is hilarious! Be sure to watch it, everyone. I love the way the band replicated the Freedom Kids’ accompaniment.
OzarkHillbilly
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Promises promises….
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: I have been around gunfire all my life but only once have I heard a bullet (while squirrel hunting- another hunter did not know I was there) It took a few seconds for my brain to process that information too.
raven
@debbie: You don’t hear the one that gets you.
Patricia Kayden
@frosty: She’s leading in the polls. Keep calm and carry on.
@OzarkHillbilly: Best wishes to you.
Kay
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
They gave Trump 6 solid weeks of birther coverage when he launched his campaign. They should make him take the downside.
Obama is popular. He’s well liked and even if he’s not “liked” he’s respected by most people. Trump launched his campaign with a racist crusade against Obama. This is relevant. It’s an essential part of the Trump story. I know it’s bad for Donald Trump (now) but he took the upside- the more he attacked the President on Obama’s birth and parentage the more he went up in polls of the GOP base. Now it’s time for the downside. No one ordered Donald Trump to adopt a racist fringe tactic to launch his political career. He did that all by himself.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: At this point, Assange is basically a Breitbart operative. Seriously. He and Jim Hoft (aka Stupidest Man on the Internet) sit around retweeting each other’s conspiracy theories.
OzarkHillbilly
@Patricia Kayden: Thanx.
amk
For the eyes of wonks only.
She has got this.
Lizzy L
Good morning! Up at 4:30 am for no good reason. Hope everyone’s day turns out well.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker: I wonder how scammed the Ecuadorians are feeling right now and how long before they just kick him out the embassy doors. Then again, maybe he’s got some really juicy stuff on them, eh?
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
There’s been nothing in the emails so far, despite 540 odd days of non-stop coverage. They found nothing.
This was the smoking gun from yesterday:
They never found the motive for the crime they convicted her of, which was deliberately keeping the emails from view. They hoped to find the motive. They just never did.
There’s nothing in those emails she would have hidden. It was a good theory for the prosecution! It had possibilities! But the fact remains it fell apart. They have nothing. They should admit that.
Jeffro
LETS GO DEMOCRATIC JUSTICE LEAGUE (or, if you prefer, AVENGERS)!
(or, if I were being completely honest, AUTHORITY!!!)
It’s a target-rich environment – go Ds go!!!
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I’m actually MORE persuaded that Clinton is basically honest after this 540 day investigation into her work-related emails. I don’t know anything about Donald Trump other than what Donald Trump says, and he lies constantly.
JMG
Americans are 1. Convinced by generations of TV cop shows that just the fact of being investigated means you’re guilty. 2. Suspicious of all candidates for public office, because they KNOW none of them are motivated even in part by a sincere desire for public service to further their ideals.
As any good con man knows, wannabe wise guys are the easiest people to fool.
El Caganer
@Matt: I don’t blame Trump for stiffing them. I wouldn’t pay for that shit either.
SFAW
Meanwhile, Electoral-Vote.com reports that Moron-of-the-Day Andrew McCarthy wants to impeach Hitlary RIGHT NOW, DAMMIT! Because the Constitution does not prevent impeaching someone who is not in office.
Moron-of-the-Day runner-up Jason Chaffetz wants to hold more e-mail hearings before he and his fellow inquisitors go home for their October/November/December recess.
Highly selective meteorites would not be a bad thing.
Rafael
I’m a total geek so when I see these amazing people we have on our side, I think of that LOTR scene where the Rohirrim cavalry arrives to change the tide of battle just as the battle was starting to look bleak. Bear with me, this week’s polls have me despairing of the country.
PaulWartenberg2016
I won’t keep calm. Trump is one vote away from destroying us all.
GET THE DAMN VOTE OUT DEMOCRATS. THIS AIN’T 2000, THIS IS MUCH MUCH WORSE.
SFAW
@Kay:
Well, then you know he’s an inveterate liar. So that’s something.
So quit whining — he’s been as open as Nixon.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: New poll has Arizona as a toss-up, so it’s clearly time to panic about the polls ;)
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Yep. At this point, Clinton is the most vetted pol in the history of vetting! I damn sure wouldn’t emerge from that level of scrutiny with my reputation intact, such as it is! ;-)
The papers down here are finally front-paging the Bondi-Trump scam. Hopefully they’ll look into not only Trump’s illegal direct $25K contribution to Bondi’s campaign but the fact that he held an event for her on the cheap at Mar-a-Lago, charging less than $5K for an event rental for which he has charged his own campaign $140K. That’s kinda suspicious, no?
Major Major Major Major
@Luthe: Yeah, this sort of thing comes up in Dungeons & Dragons all the time. But in that case ‘great dragon’, ‘great sword’, ‘dire weasel’ etc. are noun phrases.
nycmt
@debbie: I was empaneled for a stupid assault and robbery back in ’08 in Queens Supreme, and the most interesting thing that happened was they messed up my sequester lunch order from the Flagship.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Look, I did my “Forgive me, Father”s last night, OK?
But if you look at Electoral-Vote’s map today, a number of states have moved from “Likely Dem” to “Barely Dem.” Most of the polling is by Ipsos and Survey Monkey; I have no idea how reliable they are, so not getting too bent at this point. And you didn’t see me bringing it up until someone — whoever could it be? — chose to bust my stones, presumably because of last night. So cut me a little slack, will you?
sunny raines
surrogates are nice, but people always fight the last war. What’s new and different with trump?
trump has mobilized white supremacists. Democrats better start thinking about how to address the masses of open gun carrying white supremacist thugs exercising their Constitutional rights to intimidate minorities at polling places so they (white supremacists) can “make America great again”
Miss Bianca
Getting a crown replaced this afternoon. This is when I get to tell my dentist that, thanks to my bike accident of a quarter-century ago, and all the resultant scar tissue, he gets to give me *more* anaesthetic than he would have expected. Good times!
hovercraft
@Matt McIrvin:
That would be the Susan Sarandon Ralph Nader contingent, who have been explicit in stating that this is their best case scenario. Have Trump win and destroy the country, and then in our hour of need the nation will turn it’s lonely eyes to you, um sorry I got lost there, the nation will turn to Bernie to save us. Like the junkie or any addict, America must reach rock bottom before it is ready to rebuild itself.
Peale
@Kay: THAT was one of the “missing” Benghazi e-mails? From 2013?
I have a question about this e-mail dump. Is any e-mail she ever sent and recieved ever subject to this FOIA request? Since in 2013, she wasn’t SoS any longer.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
Bondi says she’s being targeted by Hillary Clinton, but she was the star player in a corruption report way back in 2014.
Ivanka’s donation sure is curious. She’s interested in one down ballot state race in her whole life?
We;ll have to be vigilant because the Top Cop in FL would be a main player in any Bush v Gore bullshit they may try to pull. Keep on eye on her.
hovercraft
@SFAW:
Here is a link to give you some comfort :
The swing state math still looks terrible for Donald Trump
Updated by Andrew Prokop @awprokop Sep 7, 2016, 7:30a
Kay
@Peale:
I don’t know.
We tell employees not to write anything in a work email they wouldn’t write in a letter. I think it’s been standard office practice for 20 years. Maybe not at Morning Joe. I’d like to see their emails, actually. Mika and Joe promoted Trump. Was that coordinated with his campaign?
Fox is a freaking sewer. Why would MSNBC be any cleaner?
SFAW
@Kay:
Don’t worry. She’ll recuse herself, and have Katherine Harris handle it.
ruemara
@frosty: Seriously, is pantswetting that much fun why so many seem to revel in it? If you’re that scared, put in some hours phonebanking.
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
Until we know what material your counter tops are made of, we need details about how you acquired your chickens, and from whom. Did you ever do or say anything positive for or about the people you got your chickens from? Was money exchanged and if it was, was it fair market value or did you pay an inflated or deflated price. If no money was exchanged did you report this gift to the IRS? When will you release your tax returns, in order to give credence to anything you post here, we need to know whether you are honest and trustworthy. We would also like to see your birth certificate and college transcripts, to gauge your intellect. Please submit these documents and we shall proceed from there.
SFAW
@hovercraft:
Thanks, but my comment said “so not getting too bent at this point” — not “so I’m really fucking nervous about this whole election.”
Or is today “Let’s-All-Tell-SFAW-to-Calm-The-Fuck-Down Day,” and I missed the memo? Omnes did the calm-the-fuck-down thing to/for me late last night (or early this AM), by which time I had already returned to sanity. OK? There are better things to discuss.
hovercraft
@Kay:
Hillary is “bullying her to distract from her foundation problems”.
Kay
@SFAW:
My husband said it. “Who was the Florida official…?” OMG, I panic! Another one! :)
SFAW
@Kay:
Fortunately, I think Harris has disappeared from public view for about 10 years now, although Betty would have more insight on that.
hovercraft
@SFAW:
It was more of an FYI, after following part of last nights thread and seeing your post I decided to post the link, sharing information, not judging.
Kay
They could find something out about this. They could ask Donald Trump but he of course won’t answer, so then they could ask someone else who knows something.
I’m unclear why all inquiries into Donald Trump begin and end with Trump. He’s talking to other people. Ask them.
Patricia Kayden
@amk: Barack Hussein Obama didn’t look like past presidents either.
@sunny raines: Well, this is an unusual election so I hope that Democrats treat it that way and are aggressive about getting out the votes and protecting voters. Trump’s thuggery has almost been ignored by the press. I hope Secretary Clinton brings his veiled threats of violence up during their debates.
Immanentize
@Kay: Like you said yesterday (?) the press really has no playbook for someone without a big public record. They do not know how to do proper investigations. They need Charley Savage to show them how (Spotlight reporter). Isn’t he at the Times???
Barbara
@PaulWartenberg2016: I spent Saturday afternoon canvassing the voter lists given to me by the Democratic Party of Virginia which, thankfully, appears to be very data driven in deciding who needs “high touch” contact — new voters, residents less likely to vote or who might but are not certain to vote Democratic. I live in an area where this is a relatively easy gig — half the people I talk to made a point of thanking me for getting out there. The only downside was waking up a 94 year old woman from her nap. She told me that Hillary wasn’t her favorite candidate, but — look at the alternative — and heaven help us all in November. Get out there. Face to face is 10 times better than calling, at least for me.
SFAW
@hovercraft:
OK, thanks.
Cacti
Trump’s shady campaign contribution history has finally made page 1 of the NYT.
Barbara
@Immanentize: There are reporters who know how to do investigations, including quite a few who work for the NYT and WaPo. Those reporters rarely cover the political beat. Reporters on the political beat, if they are not careful, just end up being stenographers and/or pseudo opinion writers or, even worse, telling us all about what “might” happen. They are exemplified by their sources and contacts, which makes them careful and mealy mouthed lest they get ostracized and lose access. You are seeing this at its worst with the NYT coverage of Hillary Clinton by people like Patrick Healy, who quoted Donald Trump in the story he wrote about Anthony Weiner’s latest idiocy being a “problem” that could shadow the Clinton campaign. That was like a parody piece worthy of the Onion, complete with Trump piously braying about the danger of giving adulterers access to classified information.
Betty Cracker
@SFAW: Last time Katherine Harris was in the news that I heard about was a couple of years ago when her husband committed suicide. Obviously a sad thing. But yeah, in public life, she was, as my grandfather used to say, “as crooked as a dog’s hind leg.”
Immanentize
@Barbara: I know and agree. The access/beat sweetener problem is exactly what Trump has accurately described when he was talking openly about paying for access (and more). I do not know enough about the turf battles to understand how the political reporters can keep the good investigative journalists from pursuing amazing stories. But I guess the whole revelation that the political press corps does not think the associations of Black and Hispanic journalists are good enough to question Clinton says it all….
I wonder what the race and gender make-up is of that group (I have a good idea).
Betty Cracker
@Cacti: I like that some outlets are finally glomming onto Trump’s own words during the primaries, when he bragged that politicians “kissed [his] ass” because he bribed them. Gosh, maybe some investigational fodder there?
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@p.a.: Someone may already have noted this, but: green great dragons could exist, but only in a context which also provides a) small/little dragons (so that you have similar species labeled great/greater and small/little/lesser within the same genus–which happens–ask a birdwatcher sometime) and also b) great dragons in more than one coloration. Outside of those circumstances, which involve a situation where the out-of-place adjective is actually part of the formal name, he’s right, it does sound like nonsense.
I’ll go back and read the thread now…
CONGRATULATIONS!
@Matt McIrvin: It runs about 20%. They get angry as hornets when you point out the government pays them. I can’t wait to get out of this field.
The other 80% I think are going solid for Clinton this time around. Most of us are aware we need a stable government to pay us, and Trump isn’t going to provide that.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@rachel: I knew someone had to have pointed this out already!
Kay
@Immanentize:
I just watched Spotlight though and what they relied upon were parish records– that’s where they found the pattern.
There’s no frame for Donald Trump, no organized path to follow. Clinton’s easy, right? She’s regulated. There is probably an entire room of docs on Hillary Clinton, and there’s all kind of process and regs to get them. Not so for Trump.
Mnemosyne
The goofy morning deejays I listen to just discovered the “sovereign citizens” and their minds. are. BLOWN. Like, they can’t believe that this cult exists and is tying up the courts.
Lizzy L
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
This is a very good point, and one that should be hammered home when talking to people who don’t really like Trump but can’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary because they’ve (often w/o realizing it) bought into 25 years of Republican propaganda. We need a stable government, i.e. one in which Social Security money keeps flowing, the military keeps getting paid, highways are maintained, weather satellites remain in the sky, and so on. Trump’s instability is Exhibit #1: there’s all kinds of evidence for it, including 4 bankruptcies. Short fat finger on the nuclear trigger is of course terrifying, but the federal government falling apart because Trump is the world’s worst manager is also damn scary. I think it’s a good argument.
Kay
I don’t want to be mean but we’re really narrowing down the responsible parties here- wake up elderly people.
Come on :)
hovercraft
When asked if it’s appropriate for Ailes to be advising Trump now that Fox has settled with Carlson for $20 million, she lied. From TPM
rikyrah
@Kay:
Great idea.
I don’t tweet.
Can those of you who do tweet, tweet this to Joy?
Betty Cracker
@hovercraft: Ailes traveled with Trump on his plane to AZ for the Ein Volk immigration speech. Was Conway on that plane too? If so, she’s a bald-faced liar. ETA: Although she did weasel it up by stating that she hasn’t seen Ailes at Trump Tower.
shell
I wish they’d stop saying the campaign’s in the ‘Home Stretch’. If it was around Halloween we’d be. But now we still have all these wretched weeks to slog thru.
Lurker Extraordinaire
Spent a wonderful four hours at the BMV yesterday, with bored preschooler in tow. The clerk helping us switch our out of state licenses couldn’t have been more friendly and helpful. It’s not her fault the computers kept freezing up.
Both hubby and I also registered to vote. My husband has never voted, so this will be a first. He’s not very conservative (despite having spent 20 years in the Army), but he does like his guns. He’s also visibly brown, and thinks Trump is nuts. He’ll probably vote Hillary. He knows where I stand, as I’ve made it clear that I will never forgive the Republican Party for the fuckery that is Iraq.
Of course, I reminded the husband that registering to vote subjected him to jury duty. He wasn’t too happy about that. Lol.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: If I were a betting woman, I’d wager that Clinton will carry Florida by a larger margin than PBO did. (I would be a betting woman if serial Emo Eeyore commenter NR would take me up on my repeated offers to donate $100 to a worthy charity of his choice if Trump wins the election if he’ll put up $100 to the charity of my choice if Clinton wins.)
Kay
Boy, it’s nice to be the rich white guy candidate. He’s released nothing yet he’s been demanding ‘proof” from Obama and Clinton for 4 years
How did he assume this role of Arbiter of Transparency? The least transparent candidate in history?
Why does everyone require independent validation except Donald Trump?
cleek
FUWP
raven
@Kay: Hermann Cain just said he shouldn’t release his record because liberals will nitpick them.
Patricia Kayden
@debbie: Heavens!! I’ve never been called to perform jury duty and stories like this make me glad about that.
@Kay: It would be nice if the media would grill him about such off-the-cuff comments. But alas.
Patricia Kayden
@raven: Like the media and Conservatives have nitpicked through Secretary Clinton’s emails? What hypocrisy.
cleek
Will Rahn is an idiot:
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
A big motivator for me is Trump’s grown children. They seem to assume this will be run like the family business.
Just gross, the level of entitlement. That cannot stand! :)
shell
That kept my father from voting for years, until they included licensed drivers in the pool.
opiejeanne
@?BillinGlendaleCA: We’d love to. You can’t be any worse than the crazies i’ve met in Seattle. Supposed to be back in mid-November, so maybe then.
I’ve been enjoying your photos on flickr.
Patricia Kayden
@hovercraft: Shouldn’t George have followed up by asking Conway directly if she has advised Trump not to have any further communications with a man who has had to settle a sexual harassment lawsuit and is on tape engaging in sexual harassment?
Aaargh!
shell
Im sure they considered gun fire prejudicing the jury. Yikes!
Peale
@Kay: And if she does just release the e-mails, she’ll be immediately arrested for violations of the law that she’s been repeatedly accused of breaking but hasn’t until now.
@raven: It’s not just the liberals. It will be anyone involved in a lawsuit against Trump. Which would be anyone who has ever had a business deal with him.
Kay
@cleek:
Okay, but they have to find something. “Not finding something” and “finding something” cannot be the same.
They don’t get unlimited time to speculate either. They have to put up or shut up at some point.
I know they believe she is doing unspecified illegal things. That’s fine. However, there comes a point where they have to prove it or drop it.
waysel
@OzarkHillbilly: Could you just wait all day in their waiting room? No fun, I know, but no shows tend to be last minute things.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Yeah, I’m longing to see the whole bunch humiliated on election day, FSM willing. Remember that horrible “Millennials for Trump” ad that came out last week featuring Uday, Qusay and Ivanka’s mugs? Some wag on Twitter said the photo of those three is what comes up when you search Shutterstock for the phrase “rich kids who hunt homeless people for sport”, LOL!
Kay
@Peale:
Oh, God no. He’s a liar and a crook. She can’t negotiate with him. She knows that i’m sure.
SiubhanDuinne
The Mexican finance minister, who pushed hard for the Trump visit to Mexico City last week*, has resigned. Grauniad link.
*(Has it really been only a week? Feels like months ago!)
CONGRATULATIONS!
This is the closest you’ll ever get to Trump admitting he’s losing…
Trump Ends Media Blacklist
Sad!
catclub
@p.a.:
But both greasy green dragons and green greasy dragons sound reasonable. So an exception?
Humdog
@Kay: interesting that Trump does not turn off the over 65 crowd like he does those younger than that. I wonder if it is because the ove 65s remember when his kind of open bigotry was more common so it does not shock them? “Trump talks about the colored people like my Pappy did and it reminds me of the ‘good old days’.”?
SFAW
@Kay:
raven?
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
Rachel called her a liar over this on Friday’s show. The fact that she’s getting questions about this is a good sign. Catch her in as many lies as possible.
SFAW
@Kay:
Why? It hasn’t stopped them in the past.
hovercraft
Greta Drama at Fox.
catclub
@Betty Cracker:
Are there any other times when the Trump ‘charitable’ foundation made political contributions?
Has Pam Bondi’s PAC returned the money that the Trump Foundation donated? (Trump reimbursed the foundation, but that is not the same AT ALL).
SFAW
@cleek:
Industrial strength.
“Hillary has only herself to blame for all the witch hunts and wild goose chases the MSM has been on for 25 years.”
catclub
@Luthe: fat green indented radiators, indented green fat radiators, fat indented green radiators
all seem possible to me.
catclub
@germy:
Yes, I bet they have put all their energy and money into really good ads ( rather than, um, educational facilities and faculty).
I have seen really good ads.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
I put up a comments (with links) that seems to be held up in Comment Limbo, probably for links. It was about what the FOIA does and does not control.
Kay
@SFAW:
It’s a glowing review of Clinton. That’s what she was hiding. This has become a parody.
Merits a correction, no? One week on how the 30 undisclosed emails were made-up speculation. That seems fair to me.
Kay
@SFAW:
Write a piece about how the email scandal didn’t amount to much. That’s accurate.
catclub
@Matt:
I have a very hard time feeling sympathy for them, and the fact that they were stiffed by the Trump scampaign.
Peale
@Kay: The sad thing is that because there was this ONE and it mentioned Benghazi, we are going to have a whole nother round of e-mails on Benghazi hearings. I guess they will be about how recieving complimentary e-mails is tantamount to pay for play.
Peale
@SFAW: “Endless Financial Dealings” Jesus fucking Christ. Are the Clinton’s financial dealings really more difficult to understand than Bush family financials? Romney’s PE firm days? The Clintons are wealthy now but we pretty much know at this point all they’ve done to earn money and none of it has actually amounted to anything I’d be concerned about from public officials.
chopper
@SFAW:
to be fair, someone definitely pissed in omnes’s dinner wheaties last night.
SFAW
@chopper:
Actually, Omnes’s comments to me last night didn’t really bother me, because I realized I had gone open-loop. Had I thought his comments were bullshit, I would have said so.
But thanks for the supportive words. (Yes, I mean it.)
SFAW
@Peale:
It’s not that they’re more difficult to understand, it’s that Bill and Hill are considered undeserving, because they’re hicks from the sticks, or some such, and not blue bloods like the Bushes and Mittens.
opiejeanne
@Mnemosyne: KROQ? Kevin andBean? I don’t know if they’re still on the air, but when we lived in Anaheim we ran into one of the station’s personalities (Poorman? some surfer dude who had a small role at the station in 2003) at the Registrar of Voters. He had decided to run for Governor in that overcrowded recall election in California, and we signed his petition and laughed with him. He asked what his platform should be and we suggested, since he was a surfer, that he should push for cleaning up the beaches. He had no idea what we were talking about because he only surfed in the Newport/Laguna areas which were not having a problem with sewage right at that moment.
Total Idiot.
Mnemosyne
@Kay:
C’mon, Kay, you know the answer to that: because he’s a rich white guy.
Mnemosyne
@opiejeanne:
Yep, it was Kevin & Bean and their dudebro Ralph Garman. It was nice to have some pop culture confirmation that, yeah, the sovcits are fucking nuts.
The Other Chuck
@hovercraft: Anyone working in the news industry who might consider a move to Fox News is taking note: this is an employer who will erase their record if they ever step out of line. This is not something these people take lightly. The brain drain (or at least talent drain) at Fox continues apace.
Dr. Ronnie James, D.O.
@p.a.: how will I describe my gobs of greasy, grimy gopher guts?
opiejeanne
@Mnemosyne: Just the way you described them in that brief sentence made me think it was them. One of them was quite a bit brighter than the other, but they are hardly an outlier. I am still able to stun fairly intelligent people who just weren’t paying much attention to the Malheur occupation in Oregon, unlike me and some other Bundy junkies I know online. For a while there my twitter name was Malheur Voyeur. Now it’s Outrage du jour.
opiejeanne
@Dr. Ronnie James, D.O.: Do they happen to be green?
rikyrah
@sunny raines:
I’m just going to say this flat out.
NOBODY IS PLAYING WITH THEM.
NOBODY.
rikyrah
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
Senator Warren has told you:
Nuclear War is bad for business.
workworkwork
@germy: I’m willing to bet it has to do with the recent DOE ruling that ACICS should no longer be recognized as a recognized accreditor. A lot of for-profit schools (including one where I used to work) are accredited with ACICS.
workworkwork
@Kay: When I was a consultant, they put it even more succinctly:
“Email is discoverable.”
Which I expanded to “Don’t put anything in an email that you wouldn’t want opposing counsel to read back to you in court.”