I’m starting to think that a Putin-style crackdown on American establishment media not be a bad thing.
I’m seriously considering canceling my NYT subscription over their political coverage this fall. This represents a new low.
So, the NYT writeup on the vets' forum tonight was very long but literally didn't mention Trump's comments on Putin. https://t.co/jEwFV03Giu
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 8, 2016
It gets worse: it appears there was an earlier online piece at the Times about the forum that did mention Trump’s comments on Putin, but that article was deleted and replaced with the new article that does not mention Trump’s comments on Putin.
Trentrunner
This is what happens when an errand boy is sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.
Ryan
Check the headline at Politico. “Liberals lash out at Lauer, NBC.” Liberals. Indeed.
Emma
At this point I don’t see any good reason why anyone should maintain a subscription to the New York Times. Your local public library has access and there are ways to get around the paywall. Smacking them in the wallet might be the only thing that works.
MattF
@Trentrunner: “A gentleman with a tire iron is here to see you.”
Gin & Tonic
I know where you’re coming from, but “Putin-style crackdown” means decapitated bodies found in parks or people shot in the head in their elevator. No matter how lame Matt Lauer is, I don’t think we wish that for him.
Botsplainer
It would be fun if she popped out and said “I know YOU PEOPLE have your obsession with narrative and here’s mine: he’s an idiot and a fascist and a fraud, singularly unfit to lead the government of our great nation. He’s like every conman developer who will vomit out anything to coddle unhappy investors, and YOU PEOPLE lap that up like the dog’s breakfast. So go out and print your little tale about “both sides” being nasty or whatever you’re gonna do; I don’t really give a shit. Presser is over, there will be no followips, and I don’t care about granting you access.”
Then she drops the mic, gives a derisive sneer and the finger and stomps off to silence.
MomSense
It almost makes you wonder if the New York Times’ money troubles sent them to Russia for loans? Hmmmm.
NorthLeft12
Pffft. An American presidential candidate publicly praising a Russian dictator for his anti-democratic control of his country and “harsh” response to criticism and political opponents? That’s nothing. The real news is Hillary Clinton’s ongoing appearance of discomfort over questions regarding her handling of emails!
So says the NYT and various other in the bag media outlets and pundits.
comrade scott's agenda of rage
Back in the day I seriously considered paying for my hometown paper, the WaPo. Then the 2000 campaign happened followed by their hacktastic coverage of the Bushies. Swore then that I’d never give them a dime of my money.
Best decision ever! Not that it changed the WaPo’s political coverage one iota but at least I’m not feeding it.
Major Major Major Major
@Gin & Tonic: we’re talking about Doug here.
Keith P.
Maybe they updated the article? This is from paragraph 5:
That’s the only mention, though.
Starfish
@Botsplainer: Did you make this comment in a different thread, or am I experiencing déjà vu?
scav
They’re all wearing bow ties now. Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.
It’s now endemic.
Iowa Old Lady
@Starfish: It’s such a good comment that it deserves to appear twice.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Gin & Tonic: yes, Matt Lauer martyr for Freedom of Speech would just be horrible. Lauer needs to be outed for being the rent-boy disguised as a reporter he is and his career suffer from it.
sigaba
@Trentrunner: When we see a snail, slithering, on the edge of a straight razor.
Also C-beams glitter in the dark at the Tannhauser Gate. All of these moments lost like tears in the rain…
Major Major Major Major
edit: eh, nm
Botsplainer
@Starfish:
I did, that thread died without anyone complimenting the rant, so I made the mic drop revision and pasted it, as it fit well here.
lollipopguild
@Botsplainer: Yes, this please. Even a slightly more polite version of this is needed from her.
Botsplainer
@Gin & Tonic:
Lauer is too vacuous and vaguely likable for that fate.
Halperin and Chuck Todd, on the other hand…
nonynony
@Keith P.: According to newsdiffs, that’s the version that they published at just after midnight. The wholesale replacement happened shortly before 11pm.
I did not know about newsdiffs until recently but it is quickly becoming a national treasure. I assume that someone will sue it soon for copyright violation because of their embarrassment at the light it is shining on shoddy journalistic practices. (This wholesale replacement of one story for another being only the most egregious example in recent memory).
Starfish
@Botsplainer: I was waiting for your instructional pamphlet on how to get Halperin and Greenwald to block you on Twitter.
bmoak
@Keith P.:
The Putin line was added in later, sans note. It wasn’t in the original version of that article when it was first posted.
The Other Chuck
Get Trump elected and you’ll probably have it.
D58826
LAtest outrage – according to weekly standard (large grain of salt) Congressional democrats were not told that the payments to Iran would be in cash. I guess I’m just getting old and senile but what the H____LL difference does it make if the payments were in cash, check. money or or coconuts?
And according to the VSP’s Hillary gave the presser today to make up for her bad performance last night.
(sigh)
gogol's wife
@Gin & Tonic:
You left out the thallium in the tea.
OzarkHillbilly
@Botsplainer: the classics never die.
lollipopguild
@Major Major Major Major: I understand your point but Our collective media hacks/tools of putin need to have a “Holy Shit Batman!” moment and Clinton is the only one who can deliver it to them.
geg6
Again, I’d like to hear from Tom about what his buddies at the NYT have to say about the disappearing but accurate article by one reporter being replaced, with no mention of why by an editor, by a misleading and incomplete article by another, far less able and objective, reporter. And then had to add a line, again with no mention of the addition, simply because they were embarrassed by the criticism of said non-objective report and reporter. I’m sure it’s all just a misunderstanding of how they think that it looks like such a weaselly move.
Botsplainer
@Starfish:
Be relentless in pointing out their mediocrity and hypocrisy. Insult every vacuous tweet for two or three days, making an effort to jam their non-responsiveness to your queries or observations up their ass when they do regular life sports or pet or hobby tweets. When you’re blocked, you know you’re under their skin.
PaulW
Don’t consider, actually drop the NY times because of this, spell it out in a formal letter, and issue a complaint with the BBB and new York chambers of Commerce for journalistic malpractice
OzarkHillbilly
@D58826: If they thought the payments could be made in anything other than cash, then they are truly ignorant (stupidly so) of US sanctions on Iran.
Iowa Old Lady
@D58826: I thought I read that the payment had to be in cash because sanctions had disconnected Iran from international banking. I’m fuzzy about this, so someone is welcome to correct me. Not that BJ needs an invitation.
BruceFromOhio
No, no, no. That’s tyranny and bloodshed by a mob boss, saves the village by destroying it. More and better journalism is the only real solution, and we as readers need to reqard when we see it.
They seriously do not give a tin shit whether you subscribe or not, so go read McClatchy for free.
Barry
@geg6: I do, as well.
Frankly, his thesis was clearly false even before that.
Matt Lauer
Hey guys, I just thought I’d stop by and let you know I was totally the best person to emcee last night’s forum:
1 I was in a poorly reviewed Will Ferrel movie.
2 I say things like “After the break, Khloe Kardashian”.
3 Every year I emcee a parade that has giant balloons of children’s cartoon characters.
Mike J
@BruceFromOhio:
The only way to get the media to acknowledge Trump’s best friend Putin is to say things like, “treat the media the way Putin does.”
catclub
@comrade scott’s agenda of rage:
You do realize that this year the Post’s political coverage of Trump has been excellent? Whether motivated by pique at Trump kicking
them out, I don’t care. They have been good.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
What the fuck is wrong with these people? The American press is like American police forces. We just need whole new ones, with none of the people who are in either one ever having anything to do with the new versions.
Barbara
@Emma: I read the Healy article just now, and it seems to have been edited again. I actually think this version is pretty fair, and it now mentions Lauer’s unwillingness to hold Trump’s feet to the fire and make him back up his various factual assertions and promises. It also now mentions Putin, although it does not expand on what it means for the president of the United States to have a man crush on a foreign leader who is an authoritarian thug at odds with most of our traditional allies. Seriously, I wish someone would just make that kind of blunt statement about Trump’s fawning over Putin. It also picked up on how extraordinary it is for a candidate to go on the record at all about an intelligence briefing. Maybe they is learning?
OzarkHillbilly
@Iowa Old Lady: What I was referring to just above you. For an avg every day citizen to not know this (people like… me) is understandable. That actual sitting members of Congress would not know this????
Peale
@Iowa Old Lady: Yep. It was either cash or I guess we could have paid in gold bricks or postage stamps. But then Iran issued an law that said that US Postage stamps were not currency. Even the forever ones.
Emma
@Barbara: Only because they were severely and publicly beaten not only by the unwashed masses (us) but by other members of their elite about trashing their first article and substituting it for a “let’s see how we can salvage Trump” POS. No points awarded.
eric
@Starfish: truth.
Barbara
@srv: I think it’s important to flay Lauer for his performance if for no other reason than for Lester Holt (who works for the same network) to get the message on how to avoid similar grilling. Overall, however, the main message needs to be that Trump is an indiscreet boob who is more in love with Russian authoritarianism than American democracy.
waysel
@nonynony: I found the article ” Comparing: Candidates Flex Debate Muscles During TV Forum”at NYT online last night. Reading the comments was fun in that, about 1/3 the way in of 240 comments, a bunch of comments criticizing the Times for making no mention of Putin appear. Then those criticisms stop appearing. It’s like they were monitoring the comments after version 2, and realized they couldn’t get away with that extreme of a Trump whitewash/ fluff, so they wrote the 3rd, and final (maybe) version to cover their asses.A different author for version 1 than for version 2 and 3. All very hinky.
Lizzy L
Not sure which of the current posts I should leave this in, so I’m putting it here.
I think the scariest comment Trump made last night is when he claimed that during the intelligence briefings he’s received, the briefers made it clear by their body language that they were unhappy with President Obama’s counter-terrorism policies, and that the President did not follow the strategies his intelligence staff presented to him. Leaving aside the fabulist nature of this claim — it is of course total bullshit — the man is not supposed to talk about what he hears in those briefings. Not. Supposed. To. Talk. About. It. At. All.; never mind making up stories about the briefing, and using them to attack his opponent on national TV. The press should be HAMMERING him on this. /rant
Damn them. They are useless.
(Except maybe the WaPo. Haven’t read their coverage yet.)
Cacti
Yep. They sanitized their earlier article to make it more Trump friendly.
Does Tom still want argue that the NYT isn’t motivated by actual malice toward the Clintons?
JMG
Speaking of the media, I note poor Steve Benen has yet to post today. He’s really stuck between a rock and a hard place here.
JPL
@Barbara: The Public Editor must be so proud. She entered the job thinking that the NYTimes was liberal. Now she is just writing columns trying to deal with the mess they created.
Botsplainer
Well, shit – I was all set to go torture Dreher, but he has me blocked, too.
Adam L Silverman
@D58826: They didn’t need to be told, Congress wrote legislation decades ago, when the sanctions regime was created, that forbids the US government from doing any transactions with Iran through the banking system. So if Iran accidentally damaged US property – say an accidental collision in the Straits of Hormuz between vessels – and they were required to pay the damages, it would have to be in cash. Because of US law, passed by Congress, any financial transactions between the US and Iran have to be in cash. I’ve watched the President explain this at at least one press conference already.
Omnes Omnibus
From an email I just got from VoteVets:
Barbara
@OzarkHillbilly: Seriously! Did they think they could use Citibank to wire transfer the funds to an Iranian bank account in Geneva? BNP Paribas paid $8 billion in penalties for having more or less done exactly that, well, that, and then protecting the employees responsible for the wrongdoing by sending them back to France and stonewalling until the statute of limitations for prosecuting them ran out.
Hildebrand
Anybody notice that Steve Benen has gone silent on both the Maddowblog and his Twitter account? Possible he didn’t want to say anything about the debacle that was NBC news last night?
Markenator
I canceled my NYT sub 3 days ago
40$ a month
JPL
I wonder if this comment by the public editor is for those engaging to Tom Levinson
nytimes public editor link
Waynski
A preview of Trump’s inauguration speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYjlZVNFjiI
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: He is scary at so many levels, so singularly unqualified for the job, he should be polling in the single digits not in the 40s like he is right now.
Omnes Omnibus
@JPL: They have a standards editor? Who knew?
mike in dc
Break up the media conglomerates. Or introduce new competition with a focus on competent journalism and a willingness to buck Very Serious People.
Adam L Silverman
@Lizzy L: The Intel Community doesn’t develop strategy or policy. They collect, analyze, and disseminate intelligence of various types. This information is then used by the Interagency to develop policy and strategy. What Trump said makes no sense whatsoever.
Botsplainer
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Once upon a time, there was a hierarchy that more appropriately matched meritocracy. You went from obits and high school sports to the cop beat then the city beat. You put in your time, saw some life, and moved on by having experience.
At the entry end, it was heavy drinking, cynical blue collar work.
Barbara
@Emma: I am not interested in awarding points. What I want is for them to stop preemptively worrying about criticism from the right and start worrying about criticism from the left. Patrick Healy has been the worst of the worst this season. His coverage of Clinton has been full of innuendo and generally atrocious.
OzarkHillbilly
@Botsplainer: Awwwww…. poor baby, there there now, we still like you here ;-)
Barbara
@Lizzy L: Yes, I said more or less the same thing below. It is giving aid and comfort to the interests of other nations — which Trump mentioned BY NAME — to suggest that there is discord between the president and intelligence officials. Just outrageous.
pseudonymous in nc
The best insight into Patrick Healy’s attitude and ineptitude is the piece he filed last December on all the shows he got to watch during his London vacation: “Judi Dench could teach Hillary Clinton a thing or two about backbone” and “candidates are just bad actors with flag pins.”
He clearly wants to be a drama critic again, and if the NYT won’t let him, he’ll just treat the future of the nation like an off-Broadway play.
Barbara
@Adam L Silverman: So, basically, Trump knows even less than we think he does. How unsurprising and yet terrifying.
Patricia Kayden
@Matt Lauer: Kelly Ripa wasn’t available so Matt Lauer had to do.
Miss Bianca
@JPL: “Hey! You guys responding to people who are telling you we’re doing a lousy job! KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY!”
Marc
The New York Times headline at the moment is “Lauer, as moderator, presses Clinton but surrenders to Trump”
Yup, totally in the tank for Trump.
I really think that the left blogosphere has collectively lost all perspective, and that it’s a delusion to think that Republicans would reject Trump if the media was “doing its job”. Hell, remember when Fox News tried their patented attack techniques on him during the primaries (accurately, for once)…and they didn’t work? Having the media gang pile you has become a mark of honor for Republicans, and their voters don’t pay any attention to it.
CaseyL
@Botsplainer: @Botsplainer: I would love, love, love it if Hillary did that.
But she’s a consummate professional and all-round grown-up, so she (probably) won’t.
Maybe after she’s elected…
pseudonymous in nc
@JPL:
It may be directed at Alex Burns, whose piece got sent down the memory hole and whose Twitter account has… character.
Matt McIrvin
@comrade scott’s agenda of rage: The WaPo has actually been pretty unambiguous about the awfulness of Trump (maybe because their inclinations are neocon, and most neocons hate Trump). There’s a willingness to say things there that the NYT for some reason doesn’t have.
waysel
@bmoak: @waysel: I was wrong about the headline of the article. The headline appears to have been change a time or two since last night. Tracking this one NYT article is almost as complex as the Hillary e-mail morrasss.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: I just got the same one.
I’m curious as to your take on the following. The the more I thought about what we saw last night, the angrier I became. From my perspective I watched Paul Reikhoff and NBC/MSNBC use a bunch of veterans as a prop last night. And I honestly don’t know why. Other than propping up his organization and NBC/MSNBC, I don’t see any value to what occurred. There wasn’t enough time with either candidate, regardless of moderator, to get anything useful out of it. And as Reikhoff kept stating – he wished there were more substantive questions, because that’s what his membership wanted to know about it. If that was the case then he should have negotiated to have NBC/MSNBC ask those questions and to provide sufficient time to answer them, rather than the dog and pony show we got last night.
Reikhoff’s statement that there should be one of these every year just astounds me. Does he not realize that the President visits the service academies and war colleges/senior leader colleges and meets with not just leadership, but the students? That he has White House Fellows from the uniformed services? That he and the Vice President and their spouses make visits to Walter Reed? That they go on battlefield circulation and meet with military personnel all around the world? I didn’t think he could be that stupid, but I may have been to generous in my assessment.
And him and the NBC/MSNBC folks need to get it through their heads, as does a great deal of America, that no one is running to be Commander in Chief. They are running to be President of which one enumerated duty, and quite an important one, but still only one, is to be Commander in Chief of the Army and the Navy and the militias of the several states, etc.
While I was both saddened to see the extent of the corporal’s injuries, and heartened to see how well he seems to be dealing with him, NBC/MSNBC using that severely wounded E4 was disgusting. Brian Williams wanting to get him recognition for those that didn’t see his musical opening to the evening – fine. Brian Williams asking a corporal about strategy and policy? Absolutely outrageous.
And I write all of this as a civilian member of the Profession of Arms and one who has made every last cent he’s earned over the better part of the past decade from the military. But the more I think about last night, the more disgusted by it I become.
Culture of Truth
I get ten free articles a month, seems to be enough.
shomi
While all you cup half empty doom porn addicts focus on the latest installment of DougJ and his obsession with the media trying to smear Clinton and using his always wrong crystal ball again, Republicans are endorsing Clinton right and
leftright. By now I’m sure you have heard about the Dallas paper endorsing a Democrat for the first time since WWII. I expect a tsunami of these endorsements in the coming days/weeks.Also you have right wing hacks like Jennifer Rubin endorsing Clinton and thrashing Drumpf. But no, you doom porn addicts continue to obsess over what the usual wankers like Chuckles Toad and Morning Joe morons have to say. NYT only cares about click bait and NOTHING ELSE. You are all acting like it’s pre-internet and NYT still has the ability the set the narrative when there are literally hundreds of other sources of info people have now a days.
Also WaPo has been hammering Drumpf pretty good and their endorsement of Clinton and against Drumpf is a think of beauty.
Cacti
Mexican Senator Armando Rios Piter proposing legislation in the event of a Trump Presidency.
If Trump withdraws the U.S. from NAFTA, Mexico withdraws from the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
Story in the Telegraph.
Doug!
@Keith P.:
They must have updated it again, possibly in response to criticism.
Lizzy L
@Adam L Silverman: You confirm me in my fury. The man makes shit up as easily as he breathes, and our incompetent national press cannot bring themselves to point it out.
joel hanes
@Patricia Kayden:
Kelly Ripa wasn’t available
Vanna White could have done better than Lauer
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: They use the military as props and then, when something bad happens, dismiss it with “They volunteered.”
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman:
Honestly, that’s the thing that stuck out to me. Far from “having one of these every year”, I thought it was a dangerous and tone-deaf precedent to set. Particularly the way they ended up doing it.
i know that you directed this to O2, but that particular aspect – the whole “Commander in Chief” thing – really bugged the shit out of me. To the point where I just couldn’t validate it by watching it. Sounds like I missed a shit show even worse than I’d imagined.
OzarkHillbilly
@shomi: Oh thank you, thank you, thank you. Whatever would we poor ignorant peons do with out your wise and intelligent commentary enlightening us about the events of the real world as only you could perceive them?
JPL
@Culture of Truth: I went to bed after reading the fair article on the NYTimes and then this morning found it replaced by Healy’s article and then reread it later to find it changed again. Pretty much you can use all ten clicks on one column.
amk
@Adam L Silverman: Dude, stop hitting us with logic and facts.
Thunderbird
This pops into my head every time I see a comment from #79: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkQ5oARNxLU
Miss Bianca
@Cacti: Wow.
Adam L Silverman
@Barbara: Yes. Most people don’t get the subtleties of who does what. And at the highest level of the Interagency – the Principles and Deputies – the heads of the different Intel Agencies will make policy and strategy recommendations. So the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), Director of the National Counterterrorism Center (DNCC), etc and their deputies at the levels the deputies work at. The folks doing the briefings, who are analysts up to and including the Senior Analytic Service folks, would not be making policy and/or strategy recommendations.
Elizabelle
One problem is NBC, folks.
Employer of Mrs. Greenspan. And the Morning Jokes.
Maddow and the libtards are just shiny objects to distract you. Corporate NBC represents its shareholders, period. It’s not about putting out accurate information.
Look — Trump! And is that a Kardashian?
Trollhattan
@D58826:
Do you have any idea how many swallows it would take to deliver that many coconuts? Then there’s the question of “European or African?”
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: @Miss Bianca: Yes, the “commander in chief” stuff is really annoying. I remember the argument put forward during Bill’s impeachment fiasco that, because the president was CiC, he should be subject to the UCMJ. Patent nonsense. The presidency is not a military office.
Emma
@Barbara: Well, we’re on the same page. I suppose you’re more charitable than I am. I don’t think they would have done anything differently if they hadn’t been hammered by their own colleagues.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Wanted to make sure I was tracking. I agree completely.
MJS
@srv: Unlikely they’re going to vote for a certified idiot, no talent con artist with no experience whatsoever in making anything better to change the direction. No, not unlikely, impossible. And with Gary Johnson pulling a Viet Nam era Buddhist monk act on live TV today, and Jill headed to the pokey, expect the vast majority of thinking people, left and right, to make this an electoral landslide for Hillary.
Trollhattan
@OzarkHillbilly:
I’m just happy we’re taking up a significant portion of his/her day, meaning that a number of neighborhood baristas and cashiers are having a period of peace without being yelled at for imagined slights.
Betty Cracker
@Miss Bianca: Agree 100%. The fetishization of the military since 9/11 creeps me out.
Trollhattan
@joel hanes:
Vanna probably thanks her lucky stars daily for not considering that job offer from Ailes.*
*Don’t anyone dare tell me Ailes didn’t try to get her on “his team.”
Cacti
@MJS:
The funniest part about Johnson’s faceplant is that the media is misquoting him.
He didn’t say “What is Aleppo?”. He said “What is a leppo?”. If he was talking about a city, he would have said “Where is…” not “What is…”. He was essentially asking ‘What is this leppo you speak of?”. lol
shomi
I still have to laugh at the occasional comment from people implying Drumpf is some sort of idiot savant rather than just an idiot.
You want to know how dumb that tangerine ballsack is? He banned WaPo reporters from his events very early on because they said something bad about him. That is how dumb and temperamentally unfit he is. That is about as dumb a thing as anyone running for prez can do. Not sure if that ban is still in effect but WaPo certainly seems to be hammering him a lot more than they would have otherwise.
Botsplainer
@Cacti:
Mexico is a big country, with a lot of really nice people who work really fucking hard. There are some assholes and the cartels suck, but the percentage of assholes is consistent across all national boundaries and ethnicities around the world.
In other words, focusing on immigrant crime rates is racist bullshit.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Yet…
OzarkHillbilly
@Trollhattan: Well, there is that.
Trollhattan
Hillary trending up. Sam Wang:
As of September 8, 12:04PM EDT:
Snapshot (127 state polls): Clinton 345, Trump 193 EV Meta-margin: Clinton +4.4%
Clinton Nov. win probability: random drift 88%, Bayesian 93%
Regnad Kcin
@Trentrunner: But are these methods unsound?
comrade scott's agenda of rage
Regarding the WaPo’s coverage of this election, two words:
Chris Cilizza
He’s the same hack he’s always been. Yes, when Trump was constantly in the news a month ago, the WaPo did a far better job than a paper like the NYT in not papering over his crazy shit. But, you always get tons of both-sides-do-it in their wording (without getting all Bob Somerby on people, therein lies madness) and they give plenty of conventional Village emphasis on emails, Benghazi and why won’t she talk to said Villagers and how that’s some kind of direct threat to the republic.
Cilizza remains the standard bearer for their mediocrity and nothing I’ve read (not counting the op ed stuff, nobody gives a shit what either Dana Milbank or Jennifer Rubin have to say, they’re equally atrocious in their own way) from the actual beat reporters suggests the paper’s changed it’s basic premise of continuing to be scared of right-wing push back on it’s reporting. Given that most of it’s audience consists of Nice Polite Republican radio listeners, they don’t have to fear right-wing push back because those people hate Trump.
amk
Despite their constant gop shilling, the msm has been shown to be irrelevant both in 2008 and 2012. With hillz win in 2016, they know are moving more towards the deep end of irrelevance and non-importance. Hence, all this drama to drag her down.
MattF
Yet another Unicode text converter. Useful for tweeting in italics or bold, if need be.
Peale
@Botsplainer: Yep. It’s like “we don’t get nuttin but trouble from Mexico”, like we could somehow just detach ourselves with Canada and become and Island free from crime if we just didn’t have Mexico to our south.
sigaba
@shomi:
The press is happy to let Hillary win opinions as long as Trump is granted the facts. She gets editorials, he gets front pages.
MomSense
@Adam L Silverman:
I started angry and it only worsened as the night went on. I’m still angry today.
Poopyman
Why, I’m so old I remember when Villago Delenda Est was seen as some kind of wild-eyed fanatic.
A prophet in his own
pack of snarling vicious vitriolic jackalscountry, and all that.lollipopguild
@Matt Lauer: Matt, you are totally qualified to be one of many Village idiots.
Poopyman
@Omnes Omnibus:
Bettered.
Peale
@MomSense: Yep. its amazing isn’t it. I was actually angier two days after the immigration speech last week than I was immediately after it. He really does have a way with words.
jl
I may have to settle for reading transcripts for the rest of the election. Just listening or watching broadcast and cable media outlets makes me angry.
I watched the morning headline news. And flew into a rage. Why was the presidential election townhall last night reported with a few mindless stereotypical and tired and canned story-arc slogans? Why were sports stories about two goofballs each given more time and far more carefully and precisely reported? (Not to smear Tebow as the same sort of goofball as Lochte, but…)
Edit: was going to watch tapes of last night’s townhall today. My clever plan to do it while avoiding blood pressure spikes was to skip over the parts where Lauer blabbered away. But now I read it was held on a museum aircraft carrier. That makes me angry too. More implicit militarization of foreign policy.
Just call me angry old Grandpa Simpson. I’m gong to go yell at some clouds now.
lollipopguild
@Cacti: These leppo are not the leppos you are looking for.
Starfish
@Betty Cracker: This James Fallows article from last year on the way the American public sees the military was enlightening.
D58826
@Iowa Old Lady: Yes the sanctions cut Iran off from the usual electronic/wire type payments systems. So it was either cash, coconuts or maybe Persian rugs. It was the stupidity of the ‘scoop’ as much as anything. It was Iran’s money, it was being returned and the medium of exchange is irrelevant.
arrieve
@Iowa Old Lady:
I visited Iran last year and cash was the only option — if you wanted to buy a (forbidden under the sanctions) Persian carpet, they had a way of running credit card payments through Dubai, but otherwise, no credit cards, no ATM cards, no access to the Western financial system at all.
Botsplainer
@Peale:
You know, in this country, even in the sticks, substantial numbers of folks are bilingual. There’s WalMart, Sams Club, and American cars. Food choices always include items popular with Americans. The people are highly devoted to family and work really goddamn hard at physical labor, which is why it isn’t a big deal to do roofing, paving, digging and framing in the US. They are getting a really bad rap when they get insulted on documentation, and only fuck up in the US criminally at the average rate. There needs to be serious pushback – Mexicans contribute a great deal, and assimilate VERY readily.
Lizzy L
I dropped over to Digby’s place. Her most recent post includes this quote from David Remick, in The New Yorker.
OzarkHillbilly
@D58826:
No it wasn’t! Just ask Hannity!
shomi
@sigaba: Lol…You must be a motivational speaker….amirite?
Bill
@Betty Cracker:
Since 9/11? How about since someone falsely reported that soldiers were getting spit on in airports when coming back from Vietnam. Military worship has been a staple of the American political diet for my entire life.
jl
@Botsplainer: Where I grew up, if people from other parts of the country got upset over all the Spanish, a common response was “Well, you know they were here for a long time before we were, you know that, right?”
Shell
Wow, CNN is showing, uninterrupted, Clintons speech. By now, they would have reduced it to a little corner window while blabbing on about something else.
sigaba
@Lizzy L: “Remnick,” David Remnick is the editor of the New Yorker and a noted Russianist. “Remick” was the villain from the aborted “invasion” story arc from season one of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Adam L Silverman
@Barbara: And then there is this:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/u-s-official-donald-trump-s-body-language-claim-doesn-n644856
There’s a reason this guy was relieved of his command and forced to retire early.
JPL
I wonder who’s talking..
nbc news link
nonynony
@MJS:
Whut?
Oh for the love of…
She’s not going to be arrested. Unless she goes back to North Dakota, I guess. Even then it would be a fine.
It does show the level she’s operating at, I guess. She thinks protest politics works and so she’s going to indulge in them. Even when it makes no sense to do so and even when the method of protest is stupid (seriously – tagging a Caterpillar? Yeesh. I guess it was a gesture of solidarity with the protesters there but even so… yeesh).
JPL
@Adam L Silverman: haha.. Who do you think leaked to NBC news..
Lizzy L
@sigaba: Typo. It happens.
shomi
Lol..this one is funny. Read one article that quoted a ‘journalist’ criticizing Clintons forum performance because she spent too much time defending her email server? Lol.
Because, it’s her fault the media keeps focussing on it. Haha.
Mike J
@Cacti:
Robyn Hitchcock was in a band called the Soft Boys, and they answered this very question.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: One thing we know about Trump is that he is true blue classic white bigot. There is a good chance he really believes he saw body language and desperate, perhaps unconscious signals, eyeblink codes and etc from the briefers that signaled deep distress at the frustration and danger of this inadequate black man futilely attempting to lead a formerly great former super power.
And it is so obvious that would be the case, what is he revealing that we already didn’t know? Hell, you and I both know it, we are just weak losers, too busy internally policing ourselves with stupid PC to admit the obvious to ourselves.
I think a good chance Trump truly believes crap like that. I hope if challenged on it, Trump is magnanimous enough to explain it to the whole country.
Botsplainer
@jl:
My maternal line is basically Central Kentucky trailer trash. About 5-10 years ago, my RWNJ mom was lamenting how in one of the towns, there are several Mexican groceries and restaurants, displacing the “character” of the community.I pointed out that those particular storefronts had been abandoned for about 15 years, that things change and the commerce there uplifted the community.
She went tight lipped on me and refused to talk further.
Jonathan Marcus
This is weird. The 5th paragraph of that (updated?) article reads in part:
I trust Nate (and Doug) to get it right. Does this mean NYT caved under pressure? Never meant to remove Putin comments in the first place??
Jonathan Marcus
Following up, it looks like they re-added the Putin comments around midnight:
http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1245484/1245500/www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-national-security.html
catclub
@MattF: so I can post ⓙⓘⓑⓑⓔⓡⓘⓢⓗ ?
lets see
sigaba
@Lizzy L: Not at all, I think Remmick’s betrayal of Starfleet at the hands of a body-stealing lizard creature is actually quite germaine to a Trump conversation!
Adam L Silverman
@JPL: My guess is Governor Christie. As a former US Attorney he’s jockeying for position, especially as the counter-terrorism and law and order advisor (he’s always worked that in his political campaigns) and LTG (ret) Flynn seems to be crowding him out.
JPL
Steve King is defending Putin and saying he’s a better leader.
CONGRATULATIONS!
@Marc: Agree. Remember Trump bragging he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and it wouldn’t be a problem for his followers? That’s wasn’t idle bragging bullshit. The grifter knows his cons. He could shoot everyone on 5th Avenue, one end to the other, and they’d cheer him for getting rid of some “New Yawk City Liebruls”.
Above all else, humans are tribal. Trump voters have joined the Trump Tribe.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: Actually if you go to the NBC link, at the bottom of the article, they interviewed LTG (ret) Flynn and he claims to have taken the same information away.
jl
@Botsplainer: One of the departed wingnut oldsters in my family would get upset when she heard Spanish spoken in stores. “The problem is, what ARE those people talking about,huh? We don’t know what they are up to.”
Those of us who had some Spanish would try to help “um… she’s wondering why the eggs are so high here…” And offer to help with some vocab. Didn’t go over well. Said oldster loved to dish out some Swiss-German or French when she went to one of the two good upstanding stores run by good right minded upstanding Swissmen. But that was different. Swiss were respectable people. What was the problem?
Lizzy L
So Paul Ryan went on Hugh Hewitt’s show this morning and accused the FBI of “stonewalling” the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s e-mail server. He also said that the FBI is playing politics because they did not recommend charges be brought against Clinton.
Doesn’t this man have anything better to do with his time? FFS.
dww44
Excuse me if this has been covered already, but this is the first article in my daily Daily Beast Newsletter and is indeed the subject line of their email. I didn’t watch the CIC forum, but this doesn’t comport with other readings. Any merit?
Hillary Trump Self-Destruct on Military
jl
@Adam L Silverman: OK, .thanks. I mean of two brilliant and stable minds like Flynn and Trump agree, must be true then.
Adam L Silverman
@Lizzy L: He’s very concerned this morning:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-clinton-should-apologize-trump-isis-cheering
Applejinx
@PaulW: You know the Better Business Bureau are scamsters, right? They’re no sort of government agency. Tried to shake me down last year.
Uncle Cosmo
@shomi: Just FTR, blomi, endorsements don’t mean jack shit. I know of exactly one newspaper endorsement that made a difference in an election, & that was in a MD gubernatorial primary back in 1978.
(& BTW thank you for reminding us once again that not all disgusting pieces of human-shaped filth are on the the other side of the political aisle)
JMG
@Lizzy L: It is very unwise for an American elected official to pick a fight with the FBI director. Unnamed sources are quoted about unspecified investigations that way.
jl
@Lizzy L: Poking a rotting dead horse to see if its belly explodes and makes a big stink? I guess Ryan thinks there could be a clever political play there.
Botsplainer
@jl:
Funny moment on foreign languages in stores – when my in-laws first moved to Hilton Head, they were getting their first influx of young Russian women who were their to work both straight jobs and elderly widowed retirees by night. I was in a grocery store, and two of the (super hot, BTW) checkers were speaking loudly and openly in a really uncomplimentary way about the clientele. I decided to fuck with them, and when my turn in the queue came up, I greeted them very pleasantly in conversational Russian. They blushed, and spent a lot of time gazing at my name on the credit card to figure it out. It was funny, and I suspect I broke them of that little habit.
Matt McIrvin
@Miss Bianca: It’s of a piece with calling the President “our Commander-in-Chief”, as if everyone were in his chain of command and not just the armed forces.
jl
@Adam L Silverman: But that is documented truth, right? i believe so, but I guess she needs to verify and if she can, then tell Ryan to shut up about it and go back to telling email gags again, see if they get a few laughs.
lollipopguild
@Botsplainer: One of the reasons that Louisville has such a great restaurant scene is all of the people who have moved here from “Out of Town”- New York, Atlanta, Nashville. Cuba, Mexico, Vietnam, India, China, Korea.
dww44
@Shell:Not surprising. I believe that Trump’s attacks of CNN and the Washington Post has provided us on the left with the most media friendly MSM outlets currently on offer..
Matt McIrvin
@MJS: I don’t think it’ll be a 1964- or 1984-scale landslide. It’ll likely be an Obama-sized win, more or less. The question is just whether it’s Obama 2008 or Obama 2012, or something just a hair outside that range.
CONGRATULATIONS!
@Bill: Mine too. I grew up in a military family and knew it was all bullshit from day one.
The Ancient Randonnuer
@nonynony:
Can hardly wait to read about them breaking into a ROTC office somewhere.
bupalos
I just realized that Trump pretty consistently incorporates the “HURRY! ACT NOW!!! TIME IS RUNNING OUT” thing into his little sales pitch. A good concept for a hillary ad would be Trump campaign as infomercial, use the same style as that “the kids are listening ad,” just Donny Dangerous delivering his sales lines on tv’s, with too-wise-for-that viewers chuckling and shaking their heads. Thread in the stuff with the steaks and the “University” stuff so you’re not sure which scam he’s pitching.
Botsplainer
@lollipopguild:
Absolutely. And it spread into the area between here and Lexington, which pisses Mom off something fierce.
The awesome at thing has been happening with the fusion joints – Latino-Mediterranean being one. And somebody opened Bosnian-Cuban, which is awesome. I’m also seeing Southeast Asian-Latino as a possibility.
Chris
@Omnes Omnibus:
Fucking civilian control of the military; how does it work?
Botsplainer
@lollipopguild:
So I gots to ask the quintessential Louisville question.
Where’d you go to high school? I’m a DeSales guy.
Adam L Silverman
@jl: She was referring to an op-ed a former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center wrote where he stated it based on materials put out by al Qaeda and IS.
jl
OK, I might skip the transcripts and listen to Gary Johnson. That might be fun.
“A ‘LEPPO’? What’s ‘LEPPO’ stand for? That some big gummint program in Irsania? Well, there you go, why do we have some government bureaucracy giving away tax dollars in Syraq? A Johnson administration would do away with that nonsense. What does ‘LEPPO’ stand for anyway. I need to look into it. Probably one of those UN taxes we have to pay.”
jl
@Adam L Silverman: OK, thanks.
Hildebrand
@JMG: I see I wasn’t the only one who noted this. Benen still hasn’t posted. Either he isn’t feeling well (which I hope is not the case), or last night was so ugly that he doesn’t know how to react.
PPCLI
@Marc: I’m less worried about the media being as negative about Trump as Trump merits rather than grading on a curve, and more about the media feeding the fire of Clinton pseudo-scandals in a fact-free way, muttering darkly about “clouds” and “shadows”. Exhibit a): The following events occur: Bill Clinton goes on a diplomatic mission to North Korea to negotiate the release of Americans held prisoner. (And does so successfully.) Prior to the trip, someone in the foundation emails Huma Abadin to ask about getting diplomatic passports for two people who are helping Bill Clinton act on behalf of the State Dept. Abadin gives a non-committal “I’ll look into it” type answer. The two men do not get such passports. The end. In the hands of the NYT story dedicated to precisely this, it becomes evidence that corruption is taking place, more clouds, more shadows. Reading the story, it isn’t even clear that the two guys didn’t get what they asked for. Multiply that by dozens of times and you have a problem. Especially because NYT stories are widely reprinted in regional newspapers.
MomSense
@Peale:
While I’m listening to it, I think I’m in a sort of constant cycle of shock, denial, and anger. Did he just say that? No, he couldn’t have said what I just heard him say. Then by the time the rage kicks in he has already said half a dozen more infuriating things. It takes time to process all of that mess.
Mnemosyne
@Trollhattan:
He probably did, but Vanna doesn’t need his dirty money — she’s a yarn entrepreneur. Seriously, she an avid crocheter who has her own very successful line of yarns from Lion Brand, which is one of the biggest mass-market yarns.
jl
@Patricia Kayden:
” Kelly Ripa wasn’t available so Matt Lauer had to do. ”
Why are people smearing Kelly Ripa and Vanna White by lumping them with Lauer. Unfair. Must retract.
SFAW
@Poopyman:
Was?
Peale
@dww44: Yeah. I do think the quibble about what the definition of “ground troops” are is probably worth dwelling on, since she did pledge that there would be no ground troops fighting ISIS but it appears that there personnel already on the ground that look an awful lot like ground troops. Beyond that, apparently appearing defensive is not what Commanders in Chiefs ever get to do.
lollipopguild
@Botsplainer: Thomas Jefferson class of 73.
01jack
Mr. Interlocutor: And what about Henway?
Gary Johnson: What’s a henway?
Mr. Interlocutor: Oh, about four pounds.
SenyorDave
Someone should ask Trump about this tweet from 2013:
26,000 unreported sexual assults in the military-only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men & women together?
Pretty awful thing for a prospective CinC to say. We should expect men who are around women to behave that way?
Matt McIrvin
If Trump cracked down on the media Putin-style, these people we’re complaining about would be the ones spared.
JustRuss
@Matt Lauer: Heh. To everyone who’s been wringing their hands over the “What the hell’s up with our media?” question: The Powers That Be chose Matt Fucking Lauer to moderate a discussion about national security.
lollipopguild
@01jack: Drum roll-hits cymbals.
germy
@SenyorDave:
Lauer asked him about that tweet last night.
He replied with an ink cloud of words
germy
@JustRuss: I know. Doesn’t he usually talk to Lindsay Lohan, and try to make her cry? Or ask Anne Hathaway about wardrobe malfunctions? What was he doing pretending to be a serious journalist?
Adam L Silverman
@SenyorDave: Actually that was one place Lauer did good last night. He brought it up and Trump just stepped in it and spread it all around.
jl
I would not have to resort to reading a transcript if Ripa had done the townhall.
I seriously wonder if she could have gotten through the Trump segment without blurting out at least one “Get the fuck outta here!” (she has wholesome Jersey roots IIRC)
But maybe not, she may be Trumper wingnut for all I know. But if not, a GTFOH reaction may have occured.
SFAW
@CONGRATULATIONS!:
Another side effect of the rampant immigration crisis and political correctness: in the good old days, they would have said “New York Jews,” and all the Real ‘Muricans would have shaken their heads, and tsk-tsked, and pulled the lever for Corrupt Deadbeat Donnie.
D58826
@PPCLI: And just for the sake of the argument, what if they had gotten the passports.I know there are state dept. rules against it, but this was an exceptional case of two private citizens, along with Bill, undertaking a mission to rescue two Americans being held by a totally unpredictable regime. If the diplomatic passports gave them a bit more protection then I have no issue with it.
Wapiti
@Omnes Omnibus:
The way I remember it was that it was initially pushed by Clinton’s camp, that since he was the CiC he could only be charged under UCMJ. Which was idiotic, since adultery is a crime under UCMJ.
Seanly
@Trollhattan:
I luves Sam Wang’s site. I have just enough understanding of probability & statistics to be able to fathom most of what he’s doing. Prefer his approach to 538’s (though they have great graphics).
PPCLI
@01jack: And now we turn to the European Economy. Mr. Johnson: What’s a Grecian Urn?
Cermet
@gogol’s wife: You mean Polonium; that stuff is just deadly – useful for decreasing static on surfaces and with a Beryllium foil, an ok neutron source for minor experiments but in one’s tea, very deadly. It took a real low life to poison someone that way.
jl
@SFAW: Trump would have to dump Rudy too. Having some excitable little Eye-talian tagging along who was so damn obsessed with crime would raise uncomfortable questions. How did one of THOSE people get into law enforcement anyway? What’s he up to? Who does he know? Which team is he really on?
Jacel
@Lizzy L: And why was there even a question permitted prompting Trump to talk about what he heard? Just part of the absurd handling of the forum. Wasn’t that a question posed by Lauer, rather than a veteran. Of course the questions posed by veterans must have been cherry picked to get such a focus on emails at the start of Clinton’s portion.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Cacti:
Sounds like he got the Free Market education he ask for lol
Jeffro
@D58826:
My apologies if this has already been posted/thought of, BUT: I wouldn’t put it past Mr. 11-Dimensional Chess to have it sent in cash so that the bills can be traced as they make their way around the Middle East and to various groups of interest.
Assuming the Iranians are dumb enough to do that, instead of putting it in a bank and cutting checks, wire transfers, etc. I dunno.
This is why I don’t play chess, much less 11-dimensional chess.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Any opinions you care to share about John Abizaid? He was just appointed a special advisor to the armed forces of Ukraine.
nutella
ll this CinC stuff reminds me of when Obama took office and various civilian Rs went around saying self-righteously that “He’s not MY commander in chief!”
Of course he wasn’t and neither was the previous president. Civilians don’t have a commander in chief. But that didn’t stop them from making ignorant and belligerent statements.
Jeffro
Btw in case it hasn’t already been noticed:
Clinton (and Obama) at the DNC: “Trump is not particularly Republican, and is certainly not what you’d call conservative” (i.e., here’s your lifeboat if you want it, Repubs)
Clinton, at her presser: “All Republicans must answer for Trump”
Translation: you had your chance to abandon this clown…that chance is slipping, slipping away…
lollipopguild
@PPCLI: What’s a Grecian Urn? About 2 bucks an hour.
PPCLI
@D58826: Me neither, it was not an outrageous thing to ask for, I would have no complaint if they had received one by special dispensation, and the NYT article would have been a travesty in that case too. But it is even more convoluted given that they didn’t even get what they had asked for.
(Though that reminds me: The article also didn’t make clear that the reason they asked in the first place was because they were traveling to North Korea to negotiate for American hostages rather than, say, to arrange a bulk order of kimchee for a frat party.)
lollipopguild
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: No leppos here, just us chickens.
Jacel
@Marc: I heard most of the forum (minus the many minutes on email at the beginning, it turned out) on the SirusXM radio feed of MSNBC. I was struck by how frequently I heard Lauer grunt at Hillary in the middle of a substantive reply to a question, presumably because she had crossed a time threshold and we couldn’t wait to hear the last few words of the current sentence. And Lauer dinged her when she made reference to a position taken by Trump for having agreed to not make attacks. (I don’t think Hillary even referred to Trump directly at that point.) No such interruptions happened during Trump’s half hour, as far as I heard.
piratedan
The part that is galling about all of this is that it strikes me as having the best of all possible outcomes for the Media to place their collective thumbs on the scales this way…
1) we strongly suspect that Hillary Clinton is going to win… not something they necessarily want, but hell, they’ve made a living fashioning fake scandals about her for 25 years, another 4 won’t really be a stretch, so they can continue as planned, not necessarily bad
2) what they have to avoid, and this is at all costs, is a Democratic controlled House and Senate. Why? Because with a Democratic controlled government, everything starts to be about policy. Policy means explaining things. Understanding things. the Media apparently loathes that because if they can’t be bothered to explain how Trump is such a fucking disaster as a political entity how in the fuck can they make talking about Medicare expansion in friendly sound bites?
3) by tainting Clinton enough, they can avoid a “sea change” election where #2 happens by doing exactly what they’re doing.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
Listening to this- the moderator letting Trump babble while constantly interrupting Hilary to attack her, the post mortems that were written days before and the NYT ordering their staff to shut up, I think we’re being trolled. The press sees Trump as having no chance so since they can’t have a horse race, they are stroking the outrage by letting Trump fly his freak flag.
I mean think about it, people do love it when Hilary gives that “you’re an idiot, you know that?” look of her’s and the press went out of their way to draw attention to it. I think the moderators instructions were to keep Trump feeling as safe as possible to keep Trump from shutting up while pretending he was a House Republican committee dimwit grilling Hilary.
elm
For the curious (and/or strong of stomach), here’s the listing of all the different texts the NYT has published under one URL..
You can see where they removed all mentions of Trump’s fuckups and later where they gradually added mentions back in. They also switched authors completely for two entirely different post-forum pieces.
This is how corruption and editorial bias manifests. Kill the articles that are politically incorrect and replace them with versions more to your liking.
Villago Delenda Est
My nym. Again and again and again.
“Pour encourager les autres”
JPL
@germy: He did want to develop a military court, so that was a new idea. I’m not sure what he’s going to do with the old court though.
Villago Delenda Est
@elm: It’s 1984 at the NYT. All the time.
jl
@JPL: A true Trump supporter can see all the military courts for the last several thousand years have been weak, stupid loser courts run by weak stupid losers. Trump would set up a great ‘top’ winner military court. That is what Trump really meant. Why are you so unfair to Trump?
Emma
@Jeffro: That might have been a secondary outcome, but primarily they had to find a way to send the money that did not use banks, since that is prohibited by the sanctions. Or so they said…. nudge, nudge, wink, wink….
Uncle Cosmo
@PPCLI:
JOHNSON: A lot less than he’s Ode, I believe… :p
Villago Delenda Est
@Peale: I think she means “non-SF” ground troops…that is, regular military units engaging in conventional warfare, not highly trained specialists who act as advisers on the ground. That’s the way I interpret “ground troops”, anyways, having been one.
Cheap Jim, formerly Cheap Jim
@sigaba: Surely Remick was one of the leads in “The Days of Wines and Roses”.
Miss Bianca
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: “Listening to this- the moderator letting Trump babble while constantly interrupting Hilary to attack her, the post mortems that were written days before and the NYT ordering their staff to shut up, I think we’re being trolled. ”
It’s even simpler than that. That froward, pig-ignorant son and heir of a mongrel dog of a “moderator” feels free to interrupt and attack a former Secretary of State, Senator, FLOTUS, and Presidential candidate, all the while fluffing the equally froward, pig-ignorant son and heir of a mongrel dog, Donald Trump – because she is a woman and he is a white man. Period. That’s it. That, besides CDS, is the reason why he feels free to get away with this sort of disgracefully disrespectful behavior.
No one but a white man gets to be taken seriously, no matter what kind of dangerous, seditious buffoon he is, and no matter how smart, well-educated, and well-prepared any of his opponents may be. It makes me feel sick and wicked.
ETA: My apologies to mongrel dogs. They don’t deserve to be associated with the likes of either Matt Lauer or Donald Trump.
Uncle Cosmo
@Cermet:
That word…”minor”…I do not think it means what you think it means. “Minor” as in this?
60,000-80,000 residents of Nagasaki on 9 Aug 1945 might have taken issue with that word had they lived to do so. Not to mention tens of thousands of survivors.
rikyrah
But, social media caught it and busted them about it.
lollipopguild
@Cheap Jim, formerly Cheap Jim: Yes-Lee .
lurker dean
saw some interesting info on newsdiffs:
NewsDiffs was created by a three-person team in 36 hours at a Knight Mozilla MIT hackathon in 2012. One of its creators, Eric Price, then a graduate student at MIT, puts in a few hours of maintenance work every few months, but otherwise the site tracks and displays versions of news stories automatically, fueled by a simple open-source script available on GitHub, and hosted on MIT’s student servers.
http://www.cjr.org/watchdog/newsdiffs_new_york_times.php?
i’m not up on copyright, but this could make an interesting fair use case since fair use is usually limited use (e.g., a paragraph or two), not entire articles. but, here, the entire articles are needed for the use to make any sense.
Cermet
@Uncle Cosmo: I’m a bit confused – I do experiments with neutrons and as “minor” I mean a harmless flux that is safe to be exposed to; not that beryllium, of course, is safe to work. That stuff is nasty, and is an issue for such experiments (it is very toxic.) I am not in any way or manner trying to say atomic bomb neutron fluxes aren’t deadly. Hope that clears up the issue.
El Caganer
I don’t know much about leppos but I’ve heard they can’t change their spots.
Tokyokie
@Botsplainer: As a 30-year recovering newspaper veteran (copy desk, mostly), I’ve seen the reporters go from having a beer with the cops after hours to having dinner with the assistant DAs. And whether the reporters identify with the blue-collar guys or the professional class makes a huge difference in how the coverage is slanted.
SFAW
@jl:
Oh, but Rudy is one of “the good ones.”
(Term used for persons of other not-quite-Real-‘Murican groups as well.)
SFAW
@Adam L Silverman:
Christie? I thought he was still
unindictedGovernor.Villago Delenda Est
@Adam L Silverman: Um, a three star relieved of command? Holy flurking schnitt!
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: I never knew GEN Abizaid. His bio is solid. He had the unfortunate luck to succeed GEN Franks as CENTCOM Commander, so got handed that mess in 2004 or so. He is currently the Distinguished Chair (think endowed chair) at West Point’s Combatting Terrorism Center, which I’ve had some interactions with since its founding in 2003. The person that was the Department Chair, and has departmental oversight of the center, at that time is a friend and senior mentor of mine. Neither he, nor his successor as chair (she’s now the first woman to be Dean in the history of West Point and also a friend) would have allowed GEN Abizaid to be appointed to that position if he was not the right person professionally or for mentoring the cadets. My guess is he would not have taken this position with Ukraine without some amount of deconfliction with the DOD/Administration.
Adam L Silverman
@SFAW: LTG (ret) Flynn.
Adam L Silverman
@Villago Delenda Est: LTG (ret) Flynn, after repeated clashes with the Administration over policy, strategy, etc was removed as head of the DIA early and took retirement before he had originally planned to do so. I do not know any of the details and the reporting on it never provided much.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: “Deconfliction”?
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: @Adam L Silverman: Abizaid is a Middle East expert. MA in ME Studies from Harvard and Olmsted Scholar at the University of Jordan. He spent most of his O-6 and below career in Airborne infantry and Ranger units. He came out of his Iraq command with his reputation intact – which is saying something.
ChrisGrrr
@Gin & Tonic: New one on me, too.