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Secretary Clinton’s doctor released a statement a few hours ago: she has pneumonia (h/t: Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs).

While I can’t prove it, I also wouldn’t be surprised if her Secret Service detail doesn’t have her in Level II or Level III Body Armor. As someone who spent a lot of time walking and riding around Iraq in that stuff – at the age of 37 and in good physical condition, it is very easy to get over heated and dehydrated even when the temperature is cooler – say early morning or late at night. And that’s when not sick.

Semi Break

I got a hold of Alain. He’s checking on the problem and he’s going to contact Cole. All will be well…

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219Comments

  1. 1.

    Mary G

    The media will bitch – they are throwing a huge hissy fit about her leaving without any reporters along – but they can DIAF now. I think they handled it fine and hope she feels better soon.

  2. 2.

    PsiFighter37

    This will only validate all the CTers out there who will be non-stop yammering about this until the election.

    Clinton should not hit any events until just before the debate – let Kaine, Bill, PBO, Biden, et al. handle the hard work from here. It’s inevitable that Trump will manage to say something idiotic between now and then anyways.

  5. 5.

    Corner Stone

    WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!

    She absolutely can not be allowed to allow this, or it, to happen again. Or it’s game over, man. Game over.

  10. 10.

    redshirt

    I’m already tired with next week’s headlines and it’s not next week yet.

    This gives Donald an edge he’ll use to hammer away. That’s my only concern. And it’s one of annoyance.

  11. 11.

    TK

    I love how much effort the Orange menace is putting into convincing people Clinton is gravely ill though. As if Tim Kaine isn’t also vastly preferable to Trump. He might actually fare even better than Clinton among some demographics,

  12. 12.

    The Dangerman

    @Poopyman:

    Still mot something to pass off lightly, though.

    No, but not as bad as other possibilities.

    So, now that we know what the “it” was, it validates what I posted downstairs a few floors; it WAS something and it really can’t happen again (well, after she’s considered recovered from this time). For all this roasting me downstairs and saying this was all a big nothing, I’ve got two butt cheeks; line for kissing forms to the left and right for faster service.

  14. 14.

    Mary G

    I think this can be spun as a positive by saying that she didn’t want to miss the 9-11 memorial and went even though advised to rest. She can take credit for helping the first responders bill, visiting families and victims, many of whom I’m sure she could name, unlike Trumplestilskin. Where was he today anyway? If he wasn’t at the memorial, where was he? Doesn’t he care about 9-11 other than getting taxpayer money for his undamaged building?

  15. 15.

    Immanentize

    Adam, thank you so much for organizing today’s nuke discussion. It was great. I know there is interest in a nuke power discussion which also would be fine. But I would like to have a clean discussion about Pakistan which is the most dangerous unstable nuclear power on the planet. North Korea is Chutes and Ladders compared to Pakistan’s Dungeon and Dragons.

    Thanks!

  16. 16.

    Curtis

    Glad to hear Mrs. Clinton is recovering.

    By the way, Adam, curious question from a long time lurker. What curriculum or experience would you suggest for someone interested in thinking about national/international dynamics? Besides the specific content, you appear to use several approaches to considering problems in international conflicts, etc, that aren’t well understood by the average citizen. I’m thinking of your discussion of ways and means considerations, your commentary on strategic lift and strike capabilities possessed by the U.S., policy effects as they relate to pursuing national interests, and so on.

  20. 20.

    D58826

    Well that covers all the bases 1. the aqllergies. 2. the cough. 3. the ‘fainting’.

    Can we now get to the more important health question – will; Hillary melt if she is rained on?

  23. 23.

    Botsplainer

    Pneumonia is a suckass thing. I got a summer bout with it when I was 21 or 22 and in really good health.

  25. 25.

    D58826

    @Mary G: Well there is an audio clip from 9/11 of him bragging that he now had the tallest building in New York. I guess he was in mourning since the new building is taller.

  28. 28.

    Corner Stone

    @Anne Laurie: What joke? And last I checked this was an Adam thread about HRC and her speculative health. You want to put up a football thread to distract me and the other two people who still give a shit? Otherwise.

  29. 29.

    Singing Truth to Power

    Having had pneumonia twice, I am astounded that Hillary has been able to campaign as much as she has. In my experience, It just drains all of your stamina and energy. She is tough.

  33. 33.

    Alain the site fixer

    So no idea why this issue is suddenly upon us.

    For anyone with Android devices and using Firefox can you access the site, mobile, normal, or both?

    Trying to see if this is a Firefox issue related to an updated list of OCSP servers that omits our SSL certificate provider. It’s valid for months and works fine on iOS Safari and chrome and Edge. Just Firefox having the issue, for now that I see.

    More soon.

  35. 35.

    Mike J

    @Peale:

    Obama and Clinton policies have resulted in a complete disaster for my fantasy team.

    No, Clinton’s email people did not set up ESPN’s fantasy football site.

  39. 39.

    Corner Stone

    @Singing Truth to Power:

    It just drains all of your stamina and energy. She is tough.

    HRC was also notably low key, and dare I say “serious”, on Friday when she gave a brief statement after the Nat’l Security summit she attended. Could be part of her conserving energy as well as treating the subject matter wit respeck.

  40. 40.

    JPL

    @D58826: Donald bragging, Hillary not disclosing an illness.. One thing is not like the other.
    Here’s another story about 9/11.. This person was not bragging but was on the 100th floor. He sounded more professional, than Donald will ever be. link

    My hatred for the don grows stronger every day, and that’s not healthy for me.

  42. 42.

    Joyce Harmon

    Would Hillary health rumors really cause anyone inclined to vote for her to switch to Trump? I’m voting for her if she’s dying! She’s just got to make it to past the Electoral College vote.

  43. 43.

    FlyingToaster

    @Alain the site fixer: Aha! But alas, we have no Droids at this location.

    I was afraid one of the uprooted trees in Jamaica Plain had taken out a fiber trunk. The timing coincided with the storm here.

  44. 44.

    Juju

    @redshirt: Oh my goodness, she got sick!! Maybe when red faced, possible walking myocardial infarction Trump gets tired of yammering about her so called health issues, he can go back to yammering about the fact that she pees.

  50. 50.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Mary G:

    Where was he today anyway? If he wasn’t at the memorial, where was he?

    He was there. I don’t know for how long. The entire ceremony, including the traditional litany of reading the name of everyone who died, lasted well over four hours.

  51. 51.

    The Dangerman

    @Taylor:

    ….you are such an egotist.

    Hey, I got one right; I get to spike the football because, let’s face it, it doesn’t happen all the time…

    ….speaking of football, back to the Cowboys.

  53. 53.

    Helen

    @different-church-lady: This 50 million times. Just got off the phone with my 82 year old Dad. He panics whenever something like this happens. He is smart enough to know it is not a big deal but has no faith in his fellow Americans agreeing. He is scared shitless of Trump winning.

  55. 55.

    tokyo expat

    Sorry, not Android. I’m on a Mac. I originally tried to visit the site via Firefox and it won’t show b/c of the certificate issue. I then tried Safari and I’m fine.

    But, all this past week when I’ve gotten into the site, it would let me click on a post but I could not click the back button. It would stay on the page with the post and comments and I would have to type BJ in the browser again to get back to the Home page. When I checked in the URL (clicking on a little i mark) about the problem, it said that the site was using a mix of https and http for images which made the site not secure.

    ETA: The above back button issue was on Firefox.

  56. 56.

    D58826

    so on my twitter feed the MSM is up to its old tricks and simply proves the Clinton rules.
    1. Why didn’t the campaign tell us on Friday she was sick
    2. Why didn’t the campaign tell us she was sick the AM (reporters having a problem understanding that campaign PR people are not doctors)
    3. when will she give us a complete medical run down
    4. OPTIC, OPTICS, Smell test,
    5. did tyhey ever plan on telling thew media about being sick if she hadn’t had the problem today.

    No wonder she hates them with the passion of a supernova

  57. 57.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    Joyce Harmon Only the stupid(i,e. “undecided”) would probably have pause. Like you I vote for her, even if she is in ICU(every day of the week and twice on Sunday) and besides, I am cool with Tim Kaine, I would vote for even if she turned into a zombie.

  59. 59.

    tobie

    @D58826:

    Well there is an audio clip from 9/11 of him bragging that he now had the tallest building in New York.

    This so needs to hit the front page of some newspaper or another.

  60. 60.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Curtis: Good question. So I have a master’s in international relations and my doctorate is partially in political science and the polisci components are divided between comparative politics and international relations. The other part of my doctorate was in criminology. I write this as into because traditionally the idea is that it would be the International Relations theories and concepts, with some stuff from public policy thrown in, to set up your frameworks for analysis. What I learned, however, when I got to the US Army War College, and what confirmed my long held position in regard to the utility of International Relations theory (it doesn’t have much), is that most of this is important to know, but its not going to get you anywhere. For a really good and really accessible understanding of strategy, that won’t make your head hurt, I’d recommend my former colleague Harry Yarger’s primer on strategy:
    http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=641

    Its hard to delineate a specific curriculum/course of study you could take at a civilian university, because most of the way I think about and write about and talk about these things I learned to do from having to learn, as part of my responsibilities as the USAWC Cultural Advisor, the entire US Army War College core curriculum. I was tasked with doing a review of it my first year there. So when I wasn’t teaching sections of it, I was doing all the readings and attending the seminars for all the lessons I wasn’t responsible for so I could 1) learn all the material, 2) see how others applied it/taught it, and 3) see how all the pieces fit together so I could actually evaluate it. I had to repeat this two years later to update the assessment and evaluation. So basically I had to learn everything that the colonels/lieutenant colonels, captains/commanders, and civil servant equivalents learn, but learn it at a level and in a way that I could apply it for programmatic purposes. I honestly don’t know of a civilian program in policy that mirrors/matches what is taught at the Senior Leader Colleges.

    So let me think about this some more and I’ll get back to you. And feel free to remind me to do so.

  63. 63.

    hovercraft

    @Mary G:
    The talking heads are too busy giving recitations of her multiple events on Friday the day of her diagnosis. Jeff Zelany said this is the forth campaign he has covered, and that Trumps assertion that Hillary is always resting is bullshit, in fact it is the most grueling one he’s covered. He wasn’t defending Hillary though, he used it as an opportunity to bash her for her inability to raise cash on line, which is why she has had to keep this kind of schedule. The criticism is now that she showed poor judgment by not canceling events this weekend to follow doctors orders. She simply can’t win for losing.

  67. 67.

    Mandalay

    Chris Cillizza opines:

    – Cillizza on September 6: The simple fact is that there is zero evidence that anything is seriously wrong with Clinton.

    – Cillizza this morning: Taking the Clinton team’s word for it on her health — in light of the episode on Sunday morning — is no longer enough…Sunday morning changed the conversation in the race about Clinton’s health.

  74. 74.

    Corner Stone

    Can someone please explain to me how Kevin James a) has another sitcom and b) his wife in it is once again smoking fucking hot.

  75. 75.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Juju:

    he can go back to yammering about the fact that she pees.

    Donald tells me that’s really disgusting and he doesn’t want to talk about(but still does).

  80. 80.

    eemom

    This would be an excellent time for Dump to drop dead, of any one of a number of statistical probabilities, including but not limited to choking on his own shit.

    (Just an observation, Secret Service.)

  81. 81.

    BlueDWarrior

    @Mandalay: This is a really weird line to take though. So if the campaign talk about Clinton’s health in earnest, in that she had an infection and stayed out in the sun too long therefore she started feeling ill, but came out and said what it was, then that means she obviously must be hiding something MORE and we need all the medical records for the last forever about her. (Also, assuming she clears her recovery phase cleanly, she can give the whole “I care too much” line about staying out in the sun for the memorial when by all rights she should have been in an air conditioned home/suite for the last few days.)

    And yet Trump talking like someone constantly doped up on diet pill amphetamines barely gets a “What’s up with this guy?” from the general press.

    It angers me, yes it does.

  84. 84.

    BlueDWarrior

    @Corner Stone: Kevin James is money (to some extent) and being money can mean you can be something of a fatass or an asshole and still attract an attractive beau.

  85. 85.

    Trentrunner

    Will be very, very interested to hear Trump’s response to Clinton’s illness. Will indicate who has control of the campaign (at that second, anyway).

  91. 91.

    BlueDWarrior

    @D58826: Honestly if Clinton wins, by all rights she should end her victory speech by telling the ‘Old Media’ to go sit and spin somewhere. Then again at the rate we’re going there will be plenty of people to tell them that for her so I guess it wouldn’t be necessary.

    But it would be funny.

  92. 92.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    @TK:

    Interesting thought on the body armor.

    I pointed that out here a couple of months ago. If you look at her outfits* in public appearances they’re boxy jackets buttoned up to the neck. There’s no reason to dress that way in the summer unless it’s to cover something bulky underneath. It should also be expected as a normal precaution. I’ve never worn body armor but any extra layers in the summer weather we’ve had would be a burden.

    * I’m a dude and I don’t obsess about women’s clothes. But I used to work at Saks, and asking ‘why do they dress that way?’ becomes second nature.

  94. 94.

    D58826

    @hovercraft: My twitter feed has an explanation for all of this. She has a body double. It was the double who left the apt. this afternoon. They can tell because the double is thinner or something.

    At this point even Fonzie’s shark would be embarrassed.

  95. 95.

    BlueDWarrior

    @WaterGirl: As a guy, I guess you can chalk that up to the weird double-standard about feminine beauty. Women have a narrower path to walk to qualify as ‘attractive’ to the general public.

    I don’t know honestly how to explain it, but you can say that more male celebs can get away with not looking like GQ Men than female celebs can get away with not looking like Vogue Women.

  97. 97.

    D58826

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: well of course because it is hugh and he will get the best deal. I have this horrible feeling that Trump will live forever – neither FSM or Satan will want him so until they sort his final destination out the rest of us have to put up with him :-)

  98. 98.

    eemom

    @WaterGirl:

    Heavy, average looking guys are often with good-looking women. That does not seem to happen in reverse. In real life or on TV.

    Truer words never spoke, and it applies to hideously ugly men as well as merely overweight or nondescript ones.

    Not hard to see the reasons.

  99. 99.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Corner Stone: Yep, quick online search confirms it and its about his comedic adventures as a just retired cop trying to spend more and quality time with his wife and kids.

  102. 102.

    hovercraft

    @Joyce Harmon:
    That’s what Phillip Bump of the WaPost said. He pointed out that back in 2012 the first debate that had everyone in such a tizzy gave RMoney to a slight bump, but the race almost immediately went back to where it was. The convention bumps have all but faded and the race is back to where it was before, and the ups and downs you are seeing is not voters crossing over to the other side, but when they get upset or spooked they move into the undecided pool and then back to their original candidate. This and the her comments Friday night will confirm to Trumpsters that she is an elitist, but it will not bother her supporters or even those white suburban voters, because they agree with that assessment. The media will beat it to death, but this type of thing doesn’t change minds. He also pointed out that after Trump and the media have been touting his minority outreach for the last month, according to the latest WP/ABC poll he has lost ground with black and hispanic voters since the summer, more republicans have gone home to him and he’s also improved among white college educated women. But he’s still not where he needs to be, so the tightening means the media can’t say it’s over, but he’s still not gaining in the swing states he needs to. PA, VA, MI, and WI, winning NH, NV, NC and even FL doesn’t do diddly squat for him.

  104. 104.

    WaterGirl

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: I am pretty sure that Michelle was wearing body armor at the DNC convention. She had on that beautiful dress but she looked bulky up-top and there seemed to be a straight line bulge below the neck but above her breasts.

    I noticed and thought how said it was that she had to wear body armor while she was giving that beautiful, hopeful, uplifting speech.

  106. 106.

    hovercraft

    @Trentrunner:
    They have taken the electronics away from him on pain of everyone quitting. It’s 9/11, and this was a day they both said would be about only that. Now at 12:01 am, all bets are off. If they somehow manage to keep him off the twitter machine, then I expect to hear him on Fox & Friends first thing in the morning telling us that she is unfit to serve. I wonder how many seniors will agree with him that getting a bacterial or viral infection that many of them have been afflicted with, renders one incapable of being CiC.

  107. 107.

    WaterGirl

    @eemom: Yep. Double standards in so many ways for women as compared to men. Film at 11.

    Not surprising, but really annoying when you think about it.

  109. 109.

    PhoenixRising

    Health condition that make her unable to sweat, plus body armor, plus walking pneumonia…man, Hillz is a bad ass. I would be in a cool tub overlooking the Pacific, enjoying the trade winds on the Kona coast of Hawai’i in her shoes.

    Instead, she’s running a grueling schedule that has notably reduced Tim Kaine’s front porch in 6 weeks of trying to keep up with her.

    Also, for the faint of heart…it’s apparently responding well to antibiotics, or she wouldn’t have risked a visit to her 11 week old grandchild.

  115. 115.

    Cat48

    @hovercraft:

    Damn, Jeff Zeleny covered Obama for two yrs for the Nyt & was always,so nice. Even when it was,negative info, he presented it in a nice way. Since he got his CNN job, he gets meaner every day. I liked him better when he was young & in awe of O.
    Now, he’s just a bitch.

    Maybe if Hillz stayed home a day or so, she could get a comfy chair & go with Obama when he hits the Trail 9/13. Mr. 48% will help her.

    Also, we should send her $$$ so she will rest.

  117. 117.

    Lurker Extraordinaire

    Adam, first of all, I want to let you know that I always enjoy your posts and your perspective on so many issues.

    Second, having spent sometime myself in Iraq, it is very easy to forget that in the summer time, when it “cools off” at night, it can still easily be in the 90s. I’ve also seen soldiers pass out during change of command ceremonies, Transportation Week at Fort Eustis, etc., from the heat- and that is without body armor. Older people and the young are more susceptible, but anyone can be at risk.

    May Secretary Clinton continue to recover.

  118. 118.

    schrodinger's cat

    @WaterGirl: There was a Hindi movie last year, where a good looking thin reasonably attractive guy is hitched to a slightly Tunchesque leading lady. Its an arranged marriage. She has a college education while he does not. Initially, he is kind of a dick to her, but she is no door mat and doesn’t put up with the bs he dishes out. Its got good reviews. I haven’t seen it yet, but I am curious.

    I like this number sung by Monali Thakur. It as the recipient of last year’s National Award for the best female singer. Its shot in Haridwar, literally Lord’s Gate, near the source of the river Ganga.

  119. 119.

    Patricia Kayden

    @redshirt: What type of edge? She has pneumonia not some incurable, fatal disease. If we her supporters don’t overreact then the media will get bored with this temporary new toy. She’ll have my vote even if she has to be carried by four men in suits to be sworn in by Judge Roberts.

    Hope she gets better soon. I’ve had one bout of pneumonia and recall being on antibiotics for about one week or so. No big deal.

  120. 120.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Mary G: Trump was at the 9/11 memorial along with his lackey, Chris Christie. I saw him shaking hands on MSNBC during Rev Al’s show.

  121. 121.

    hovercraft

    @Cat48:
    Yeah, it’s funny how people change, Zeleny was good so was Chuck Todd as just a numbers guy, now they’ve gone full villager. SAD !!

  122. 122.

    JPL

    @redshirt: haha You were writing about average overweight men with nice looking women. I tried to make a funny and failed. Sorry. NBC might be scripting a story line now, though.

  124. 124.

    Adam L Silverman

    @hovercraft: Its also that they switched to likely voter models from registered voter models right before Labor Day. Those models have to issues – one of which gets fixed, the other gets ignored. The fixable issue is that the early likely voter models are based on the final ones used in the previous election, so the samples aren’t dialed into the current demographics of this election. That will be adjusted over the next couple of weeks. The other problem, which they never fix, is that the likely voter models always under sample African Americans, Hispanic/Latino Americans, and younger voters.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Curtis: Let me see if I can go and find some of the old course directives/syllabi and I can pull sections out of that for you.

  128. 128.

    hovercraft

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Yes I saw that, and Chuck Todd of all people ripped the CNN poll to shreds over their likely voter weighting, he said their numbers white working class voters were out of whack, and the percentage of white voters made no sense. He said if they had weighted closer to the last two elections Hillary is would still be ahead by 4 points.

  129. 129.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: I have not forgotten that 90 at night felt nice and cool, especially if there was a breeze.

    She should have had a hat. I’ve had to be outside in the summer in a number of places and while it wasn’t high 90s and/or high humidity, with the sun beating right down on my head it was enough to zapp me right out. I learned that lesson the hard way in my late 20s in Santa Fe one summer. Was walking around the playa with my folks, didn’t bring a hat, it was high 80s, low humidity, and bright sunlight without much cloud or shade. I was fried!

  130. 130.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Patricia Kayden: Chief Justice Robers is an epileptic. Its not disqualifying for him. Everybody who is freaking out (not you PK) needs to get a grip. We’ve had far sicker candidates and far sicker presidents. The Republic has survived.

  132. 132.

    hovercraft

    New meme, “what happened during the ninety minutes when the press wasn’t there?”. Must have protective pool so the candidate can’t get away with anything. We have a new 18 minutes of mystery. I guess this will be added to the we’ll never know what happened with the 33,000 deleted e-mails (hint, they were deleted). She disappeared for 90 minutes, who knows where she went, did she sneak into a hospital?

  134. 134.

    Lurker Extraordinaire

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I have not forgotten that 90 at night felt nice and cool, especially if there was a breeze.

    Lol, yes. Then you put your black or green fleece jacket on, then walk past someone’s unofficial temp gauge and see that it’s 95 out. Surreal.

  135. 135.

    NR

    @JPL: You’re right, Hillary being sick for the next two months isn’t an issue at all. It’s not like she has anything important to do in that time. What was I thinking.

  136. 136.

    Elie

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Alls I am worrying about is getting her elected. That is it. Getting the voters to come out, press buttons, write in or mail in their votes for her — more than for Trump.

  138. 138.

    Mandalay

    Michael Moore crawls out of the woodwork:

    Well, pneumonia. That’s serious. Campaign kept it hidden Fri/Sat/Sun. No wonder the crazies get traction. Dems are pros at losing elections.

    But wait! There’s more…

    No husband, no Huma, SS looking like keystone cops & pathetic campaign hacks more concerned about blocking view of cameras than helping her.

    Such sincere concern! With friends like Moore who needs enemies?

  141. 141.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: It was. We were in the middle of nowhere. FOB Hammer. Constant dust and sand storms. And they built the damn thing on top of the old Bessmayah Artillery Range – so we were living on top of bits of depleted uranium and other crap from impacts. 12 clicks south of the Nahrwan brick factory, which burned heavy fuel oil in its kilns. So we were breathing that crap in too! Its why my med file has an addendum section that looks like War and Peace.

  142. 142.

    Glidwrith

    @Adam L Silverman: The undercurrent I am sensing is woman=weak and Presidenting is for strong virile He-men. Just the questioning of how Clinton has decided to proceed with her health is the recurring meme that women can’t be trusted with their own health decisions as independent human beings.

  146. 146.

    Mandalay

    @Glidwrith:

    the recurring meme that women can’t be trusted with their own health decisions

    Right, but your first sentence was bang on the money: women can’t be trusted because they are inherently weak.

    Only a man can possibly be up to the job of being president. Men don’t fall (apart from Bob Dole), men don’t have problems with standing for three hours (apart from Donald Trump), men don’t have mental health issues (apart from St. Ronnie), men don’t projectile vomit (apart from Bush 1), men don’t get cancer (except that liberal wimp Carter), etc…

  147. 147.

    James E Powell

    Why is George W Bush on my TV before the Patriots game? Why do we have to see or hear from him ever again?

  150. 150.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Chief Justice Robers is an epileptic.

    I had no idea.

    We’ve had far sicker candidates and far sicker presidents.

    Just in my lifetime, FDR and JFK with serious physical impairments, and Reagan with degenerative dementia/Alzheimer’s (not to mention. And I have to assume that Truman, Ike, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Poppy Bush, Bill C., and Boy Blunder Bush had, at least, occasional illnesses and accidents. I don’t recall that Obama’s been sick at all, although he was a smoker.

    The Republic has survived.

    Yeah. I don’t know (and don’t really want to find out) how much abuse it can take, but The Republic is a lot more resilient than some of us sometimes give it credit for.

  152. 152.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I guess FYFF or something. I couldn’t edit my incomplete parenthetical before everything froze up on me.

    Reagan with degenerative dementia/Alzheimer’s (not to mention.

    That was supposed to continue “(not to mention getting shot just two months into his first term.)” I planned to close the parentheses and everything.

  155. 155.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @James E Powell:

    You were thinking how much you enjoy being a troll.

    When I have a brand new password
    And I’m close to my daily goal,
    I am just such a perfect ass-turd,
    I enjoy being a troll.

  159. 159.

    Major Major Major Major

    Good news: the only people on my Facebook talking about this are the most severely apathetic “both sides suck” types. Even the crazies aren’t really running with it.

    Now Chris Chinchilla at WaPo is saying that waiting 90 minutes to announce it is indicative of Hillary’s disdain for the press and transparency and that’s the real story. So that crowd isn’t even running with it either.

  160. 160.

    hovercraft

    @WaterGirl:
    My first though upon checking to see what my DVR was recording tonight was is this a conspiracy by Hillary, to make America think that her health scare is no big deal. Since I didn’t check before today what was on Masterpiece, how do I know that they didn’t change it?

  162. 162.

    JMG

    I really don’t know what to say. Human being catches common illness! Film at 11! Hillary Clinton not immortal! Therefore, Donald Trump, who is, should be President!!! I don’t know which irritates me more, the moron trolls, or the sincere worriers who troll themselves.

  165. 165.

    hilts

    @hovercraft:

    Jeff Zeleny is a fucking waste of protoplasm. He knocks the National Enquirer cover story on Hillary’s health which begs the question why the fuck did he mention it in the first place.

    @dmsilev:

    Chris Matthews will achieve peak dickishness tomorrow because he’ll have a two-fer. First, he’ll whack Hillary for the deplorables comment and then he’ll whack her campaign for sitting on her pneumonia.

  166. 166.

    hovercraft

    @Major Major Major Major: @SiubhanDuinne:
    Perhaps she snuck into a hospital, got treatment and then what? She then snuck in through the front door of her daughters building without anyone noticing her convoy arriving, and then walked out like she’d been there the whole time?

  168. 168.

    workworkwork

    @Corner Stone: I think it’s hidden in the answer to the question: “Is Kevin James the producer/creator/writer for this sitcom?”

    (Similar to how the Jon Favreau written/produced/directed/starring film Chef cast Scarlett Johansen as his girlfriend and Sofia Vergara as his (still loving) ex-wife. I mean, it was a good film, but as a doughy guy of some years, I had to question the…oh, let’s call them ‘optics’.)

  169. 169.

    weaselone

    Let’s pretend the right wing nuts are correct and Hillary is actually on death’s door. She could have spent the last year with her grandchildren, stuffing her face with her favorite foods and doing her favorite things. Instead she’s dedicated the little time she has left to serving as the last bulwark against Trump gaining the Presidency. And if the crazy bastards on the right are to be believed, she’s essentially torturing herself to make it to the finish line, by pumping herself full of drugs and stimulants and being all but carried to the stage for appearances. That’s hard core. They used to write songs about that sort of shit. If it’s true, the important questions aren’t whether we vote for her, but where do we put her monument on the National Mall and which President gets blasted off Rushmore to make room?

  170. 170.

    Cckids

    @Pogonip:

    This is something to take seriously in an elderly person on a grueling schedule. I wish her a speedy recovery!

    I just want everyone to make a distinction between someone getting pneumonia & how shitty you feel & Hillary seeing a Dr. for her cough & finding out she has it. Most of us will think we’re just tired, have a chest cold, etc until the pneumonia really gets settled in. If all she was seen for was the cough, she is almost certainly in the very early stages of pneumonia. Otherwise, as commenters have noted, you really feel like crap & it shows. Caught as early as this likely was, antibiotics will kick it quickly.

    I’m not a Dr, but have spent what seems like years of my life in hospital as a caretaker, seen pneumonia many times; it can be quickly over if treated early.

  171. 171.

    TheMightyTrowel

    @workworkwork: my least favorite thing about pop culture double standards is that the unappealing-dude-with-smoking-hot-gf-with-no-internal-life is so unquestioned while the lady-who-dumps-dudes-who-don’t-treat-her-right is always the bitch and gets her comeuppance in the end. It’s one of the reasons I still have a deep affection for Chasing Amy which is about the former and how the latter is more or less inevitable but shitty and also the woman in question was 100% right.

  173. 173.

    eemom

    @JPL:

    Get a grip.

    Alas, single-note Pavlovian trolls such as “NR” who cyber-bark upon command don’t have hands, so they can’t. Nice thought, though.

  178. 178.

    hovercraft

    @Mandalay:
    I can only imagine how the Bernie Bros twitter streams have lit up, has anyone checked in on HAHA Goodman? Salon must be in heaven telling themselves that if only we had gone with Bernie we wouldn’t be in this ‘situation’. And David Shuster can go fuck himself.

  184. 184.

    sukabi

    @hilts: aaaannnnnd? She’s supposed to get some rest… flying when you’ve got any kind of congestion sucks, and probably isn’t recommended for pneumonia patients either….

  187. 187.

    Suzanne

    @hilts: That’s wise. Good for her. She’s going to win CA anyway. She should take a few days to recover and relax and get back to it when she’s feeling better.

    This all happened during a week when my seasonal allergies, for which I have been tested and are usually pretty well-managed, have been absolutely kicking my ass. I didn’t have to miss any work obligations last week, and I really cannot this week, but I have spent all day today and half of yesterday feeing completely destroyed. Getting up to make myself a salad was my big accomplishment today. And I don’t have pneumonia, and I’m 36, not 68. I hope she clears her schedule and takes care of herself, because we need her.

  192. 192.

    andy

    There’s an awful lot of kneeslapping going on in all the news threads I’m reading on this subject, like a sick granny is the funniest thing ever. There’s your Culture of Life™ in action, America…

  195. 195.

    hilts

    @sukabi:

    I agree with the decision and was just providing an update for this thread. It was not intended as a knock against Hillary. I’d rather have a killer asteroid crash into Earth and wipe out the human race than see Trump win this race.

  197. 197.

    Amaranthine RBG

    I hope all of the former Hillary supporters will put their personal feelings aside and support Bernie Sanders when he’s the Democratic candidate.

  202. 202.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Omnes Omnibus: if anyone is the very portrait of health, it’s a hoarse, stoop-shouldered, disheveled bald former hippie. One who’s been sitting on his ass for months.

  204. 204.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @FlipYrWhig: I posit that HRC will be back to her regular schedule within a week. Trump will wheeze his way along while sleeping in his own homes. One impresses me more than the other.

  206. 206.

    Amaranthine RBG

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    I suspect you know about as much about the rules of the Democratic Party as you you do about civil procedure.

    But that never stops you from offering up your views, does it?

  207. 207.

    magurakurin

    @Amaranthine RBG:

    Now, it’s still purely speculation, but should a presidential candidate drop out, the Democratic National Committee has rules in place to handle the situation. Article 2, Section 7 of the DNC Bylaws says that if there is a vacancy on the national ticket, a special meeting of the Committee ” shall be held on the call of the Chairperson,” where they would choose a new candidate. Such meetings make decisions based on a majority of those in attendance.

    pretty sure they’ll go with Kaine.

  209. 209.

    magurakurin

    @Omnes Omnibus: and wrong, as per DNC bylaws. No way a DNC committee picks Sanders to replace Clinton when Kaine has already been selected as VP. And yeah, a very sad, sickening and premature victory dance. Perhaps we need our own little basket of deplorables.

  213. 213.

    magurakurin

    @Omnes Omnibus: I know that. But this one was such a bother during the primary. And by calling me out to “read the rules” when they obviously hadn’t read the rules themself. Fuck. It’s like May all over again.

  215. 215.

    gwangung

    @magurakurin:

    No way a DNC committee picks Sanders to replace Clinton

    Most particularly when Sanders repeatedly took dumps on the DNC on an almost daily basis.And refused to fundraise for downticket candidates.

    C’mon…this is basic organization 101 (not even politics).

  217. 217.

    gwangung

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh, yeah, I know….but it’s almost comical seeing how both far rightists and far leftists are just salivating at the mere possibility on social media.

  218. 218.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @gwangung: I am working very hard at not going full-on attack mode on the soft HRC people. I know it won’t help. But is would make me feel better for a while.

  219. 219.

    jc

    What makes me angry about this incident is that Hillary has had hydration issues in the past, I’m pretty sure dehydration was mentioned when she fell and hit her head a few years back. She needs to get serious about drinking Gatorade, or something like it several times a day. A person can’t will their body to behave as they wish.

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