Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

Not all heroes wear capes.

The real work of an opposition party is to hold the people in power accountable.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

Republicans do not trust women.

Sadly, media malpractice has become standard practice.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

In after Baud. Damn.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

Is it negotiation when the other party actually wants to shoot the hostage?

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

T R E 4 5 O N

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

Hey hey, RFK, how many kids did you kill today?

America is going up in flames. The NYTimes fawns over MAGA celebrities. No longer a real newspaper.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

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  1. 1.

    Betty Cracker

    My poor, long-suffering husband works with a couple of Trump-supporting, Alex Jones-listening, conspiracy theory loons. They had tidbits to share Monday about the HRC “body double.” One displayed photos on his phone showing Clinton waving, saying Clinton’s index finger is longer than her ring finger (or vice versa) in the photos taken at the 9/11 memorial but the opposite when she came out of Chelsea’s apartment. Cray-cray!

  2. 2.

    magurakurin

    Clinton’s body double will be fine as long as she doesn’t try to ride Clinton’s horse.

    Clinton’s not dropping out. Dream on you fucking ghouls.

  3. 3.

    NickM

    In positive anecdotal news, one of my most crazy Berner, anti-HRC friends has come almost all the way around. I was painful for me to bite, chew and swallow my tongue when she unironically and wholeheartedly agreed with me that many of the attacks on HRC over the past 25 years have roots in misogyny, but I did it for the cause.

  4. 4.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Betty Cracker: I pulled into the parking lot of my office the other day and saw a car with InfoWars. Audit the Fed, and 9/11 Was an Inside Job bumper stickers. Although I am agnostic, i quickly uttered a prayer that the loon had an appointment with anyone but me. I lucked out.

  5. 5.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Betty Cracker: I’m trying to figure out the significance of a body double. I assume Stone and his ilk are just creating more fantasies for their silly audience. Otherwise yawn.

    OT: Read on LGM that Asheville police have made at least 5 arrests in relation to Trump’s hate rally last night, including of a Trump Deplorable who sucker punched a 69-year old protester in her face.

  6. 6.

    danielx

    Roger Stone really just wants to be a Batman villain, doesn’t he?

    Roger Stone is a Batman villain. He lacked only the trilby hat, and he’s remedied that omission.

  9. 9.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Patricia Kayden: They’ve got everyone but the guy who hit the woman on oxygen outside the event. They’ve identified him, he’s from SC, and there is a warrant out for his arrest.

  10. 10.

    A

    Is the Asheville Dumpster rally the same one where another one of the Derplorable SA hit a 69-year old woman with a portable oxygen tank square in the face? That rally?

    (Check TPM)

  12. 12.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne: He has one of those too. He tweeted a pic of him in it as part of his Deplorable’s movie poster based on the Expendables movie poster (Trump in front, Pepe the Frog with Trump hair immediately to Trump’s left) over the weekend.

  13. 13.

    lamh36

    Open Thread…yay!

    So I got to go to a free screening of Bridget Jone’s Baby tonight. My sis had tickets and I decided to go at the last minute. I ya know me, then you know Bridget Jones’ Diary (the book that introduced me to Colin Firth. Real talk: Colin Firth is the Ivory to Idris Elba as Ebony, in my favorite Brit boys fantasy…) and BJ: Edge of Reason are two of my fav books (the less said about the 3rd book the better…ugh). I also like the movies, the first one more so than the sequel. So I was ALWAYS gonna go see the final film (they had me at Colin Firth…seriously).

    So, I say this as a fan of the books and the movies, I fuqn LOVED Bridget Jones’ Baby! And if you’re a fan like me you’ll probably love it too! I won’t say much, but I LOL a lot and I said “aww” alot… and I even like Patrick Dempsey, (who’s NOT my fav actor). But the most important thing to know, if you are a fan of Colin Firth as Mark Darcy…YOU WILL LOVE THIS MOVIE!

    It was a free screening, so alot of ladies many who brought along their men and I heard more than a few manly chuckles during the movie too, so hey…take ur S.O. to see it and she may compare you to Mark Darcy but all the endorphins from the romantic feelings make work in your favor…wink, wink..

  14. 14.

    Adam L Silverman

    @A: Yes, that’s the 69 year old woman with COPD. They’ve identified her assailant, he’s from SC, and a warrant has been issued for his arrest.

  15. 15.

    jacy

    MSNBC reporting Colin Powell’s private emails have been hacked and published. Basically called Trump a racist.

  16. 16.

    Marcion

    So which flavor of deplorable is that dipshit claiming to be? Racist, sexist, homophobic, or all of the above?

    I can’t believe they’re trying to take full-throated racism mainstream again. I think the country’s gag reflex is going to kick in sooner or later.

  17. 17.

    Adam L Silverman

    @lamh36: The last post was an open thread too. Did what’s her name put on all the weight again, instead of going with prosthetics and a body suit, like she did in the previous two movies.

  24. 24.

    Elie

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Think about that, now…. a full grown MAN who would hit a 60+ woman on oxygen and knock her down on the ground. Think about that. THESE are exactly who Hillary was talking about and the country needs to talk about it straight out. I believe that instead of being like the “47%” comment she made, this will be an important turning point for the themes of this election: Whose America is this anyway? White Power and 1950 or Diverse and part of the future? The people have to decide, but its past — way past sugar coating anymore.

  26. 26.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    Oh why stop the crazy train now; has anyone noticed no ever sees the Abominable Snowman and Hilary TOGETHER??? It would be wrong not to speculate.

  27. 27.

    Marcion

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The other thing I can’t believe is how the Internet has begun infecting the discourse. Pepe, man, this is like the perfect dogwhistle for Trump. Internet racists knows what it means, but its’ way too convoluted to explain on TV to 65-year-olds (TV anchor: “So, there’s this site called “Four Chan”, which has “memes”, of which “Pepe the Frog” is one, and this “meme” used to just be floating out there like “lolcats” and “the Doge”, but it was taken over by people so dedicated to “trolling” they became “ironic” racists, then taken over by legit racists who see themselves as rebels against the PC Man, maaaan, and….)

    I was reading about the alt-right before they got on TV. Where do I get my political hipster cred?

  28. 28.

    hovercraft

    @lamh36:
    I love Idris and Colin. I also love McDreamy, you can’t have been a Greys Anatomy fan, cause if you were you would love Dr. McDreamy.

  35. 35.

    Mnemosyne

    Gogol’s wife let me know earlier today that two (2) Hamilton stars made it onto this year’s Vanity Fair International Best Dressed List. The classically handsome Leslie Odom Jr. is listed under “Men” while my imaginary future ex-husband Daveed Diggs is listed under “Originals” because, as I have said many times, the man can wear outfits that would look ridiculous on a lesser man and still look like the picture of elegance.

    No, Lin-Manuel is nowhere near that list, because his genius does not extend to dressing himself well. I’m still horrified by that electric blue blazer he wore to the White House.

  36. 36.

    dmsilev

    @jacy:

    MSNBC reporting Colin Powell’s private emails have been hacked and published. Basically called Trump a racist.

    Well, that’s just deplorable.

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Elie: I am constantly amazed we have not had more violence and fully expect more of it – both between now and the election and after the election. And they type of post election violence will depend on who wins.

  39. 39.

    Marcion

    @jacy:
    Over/under on how long it will take for Trump to pick a fight with Colin Powell? I give it no later than Tuesday morning.

  40. 40.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Marcion: Alain’s working on a widget for your cred. It’ll be up on the right hand side when he makes the adjustments later in the week.

  41. 41.

    lamh36

    @hovercraft: I wasn’t an avid fan, but I did lean more to McSteamy over McDreamy…plus Dempsey movies post his 80s heyday were, horrible IMHO.

    So outside of Grey’s (I admit, I wasn’t a fan of McDreamy) I wasn’t expecting much from his acting, but I did enjoy him in this, but of course, it is all about the Firth for me…lol

  43. 43.

    Lizzy L

    @Adam L Silverman: Thinking about this… A Clinton win might bring out the Trump supporters’ rage. I would expect them to target African-American, Hispanic, or Muslim-identified (e.g. halal butchers) stores or neighborhoods. But in the alternate universe in which Trump wins (NOT gonna happen in this one) I can see celebratory violence aimed at the very same targets. I would be curious to know your thoughts.

  45. 45.

    jacy

    Trump is apparently pissed off that all amybody wants to talk about is Obama. Trump tweeting to tell the prez to get back to work. How can he run the country if he’s campaigning?

  46. 46.

    lamh36

    @jacy: saw Buzzfeed tweet about it before I went dark for the screening. Apparently, Buzzfeed came across the emails thanks to a site, that allegedly with possible Russian ties.

    Powell said Trump is a “disgrace” and that the whole birther thing was 99% “racist”. Saw Nicole Wallace talking about it and all she could do was talk about how it pretty much supports HRC’s “deplorables” argument. The Trump camp basically said…”oh well, Colin Powell has voted Dem last 2 elections”…but didn’t Trump also vote Dem in the past. She also said that HRC camp didn’t say much and chose not to engage due to their own history with Powell and emails.

    Steve Schmidt at the very least said that this was NOT a good thing for Trump

  51. 51.

    Marcion

    @Lizzy L:

    I expect that if Trump loses, he may call for violence against the people who “rigged” the election (ie Democratic officials). Then again Ia lso expcedt Cleveland to be on fire after his convention, so we may wind up lucky.

  52. 52.

    tweedledee

    I’m not sure the same can be said about whatever affliction causes one to be a crazed, authoritarian goon. That probably takes many years of therapeutic intervention. As you consider what currently ails our two presidential candidates, it might be worth keeping that in perspective!

    from the HuffPost today. Too much false equivalence happening here.

  54. 54.

    Damien

    @Gin & Tonic: Don’t be ridiculous, a bowler in the right hands can be an excellent top to an outfit. You won’t see them worn with jeans or anything, but they’re great hats to bring a leve of old-school class to the right kind of suit

  55. 55.

    lamh36

    @hovercraft: I didn’t see Pride and Prejudice until after I’d read the first Bridget Jones Diary novel. Bridget (and most of English women it seems…lol) was obsessed with Colin Firth as Mark Darcy. One of the big storylines in the book (and one of the many comedic bits) involved Bridget obsessing over Colin Firth and trying to get an interview with the actor Colin Firth for her tv station.

    As i you don’t know, the author Helen Fielding based the first book on Pride and Prejudice and indeed, she based the main guy Mark Darcy, after Colin Firth as Mr Darcy from Pride & Prejudiced! Apparently he was either friends with the author and of course he knew of the book…so having him as Mark Darcy was just icing on the cake for us book lovers

  58. 58.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    @Adam L Silverman: yup. It’s a lose lose. This is the new norm. We can hope for a humiliating defeat followed by a sore loser bringing down political establishment upon his orange head, with all the shame that would entail. Otherwise, it may be a new era in US politics. A reactionary backlash like we haven’t seen in a generation. Let’s hope not.

  61. 61.

    Bobby Thomson

    @jacy:

    with the NY AG investigation just announced, and the Newsweek story for tomorrow morning, at least the talking heads will have something new to talk about tomorrow.

    you funny.

  64. 64.

    Miss Bianca

    @Mnemosyne:Day-um indeed. I’m with lamh – he and Idris Elba are two of the smokiest-hot guys in the movies. And yes, his Fitzwilliam Darcy is to die for, tho’ I haven’t seen his Mark. ; )

    ETA: Altho’ for dreamy movie crushes I’m also going to put in an argument for Toshiro Mifune, Martin Shaw and Alan Rickman. I have catholic tastes.

  66. 66.

    hovercraft

    @jacy:
    Aww, did lil Twumpy lose all the attention he thought he’d get with Hillary off the trail. Unfortunately for him tomorrow morning is going to be about the Newsweek story, NY AG’s investigation of the trump Foundation, and snarky references to him and Kellyann trumpeting Hillary’s lack of a child care policy, except it’s been on her website for over a year.

  69. 69.

    Lizzy L

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Another reason to want a Clinton landslide. The closer the numbers, the more Trump can/will shriek about the election being rigged. Ugly doesn’t begin to cover it.

  72. 72.

    EllenH

    @Mnemosyne: I love that version of The Secret Garden but had no idea that Colin Firth played Colin Craven all grown up end. I’ve probably watched that movie fifty times with my daughters when they were growing up. It was the best! I have home videos of my middle daughter at four coaching me through a “scene” where I am Martha telling her (Mary) “it was the wind you heard,the wind!” so many memories and now a reason to rewatch it!

  73. 73.

    jacy

    True story: FEMA rep came to my door this week to give me a flyer in case I needed help from the flooding. He asked if there were any questions he could answer, and I was feeling goofy, so I asked him when they were going to finally get started on the Republican reeducation camps. He gave me an utterly blank look, so I offered him a cookie. This is why I shouldn’t answer the door….

  81. 81.

    Anne Laurie

    @lamh36:

    I even like Patrick Dempsey, (who’s NOT my fav actor)

    Good heavens, Patrick Dempsey is an actor? By the time I’d given up watching Grey’s Anatomy (during the punish-Izzy season) I’d decide he must be the best pool cleaner Shonda Rimes ever hired, because he certainly had no business getting paid to recite lines on camera.

    Apart from his flat-affect problem, the man has only three expressions:

    (a) Maybe I shouldn’t have eaten that second burrito for breakfast
    (b) I wonder if anybody can tell I ate burritos for breakfast
    (c) Ah, what the hell, they sure know now

    I mean, Ellen Pompeo sure doesn’t have the skillz to stand up on the same stage with a good actor, but surely her assistants could’ve found a better Forever Dream Guy than that sad sack…

  82. 82.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Miss Bianca: I believe that horsies do appear in the parade. The former officers participate in pinstriped suits, regimental ties, bowlers, and brollies.

  87. 87.

    Adam L Silverman

    @amk: Huntington’s thesis, from the original journal article to the full length book, was critically flawed. Moreover, his operationalization of civilization was hilariously incorrect. The groups he lumps together into his different civilizational blocks don’t necessarily go together. Moreover, the attempts to operationalize his thesis for quantitative empirical verification all failed at anything beyond the diadic level (two states/societies). Once the groupings were opened up to include more than two states/societies from his opposing civilizations it failed. In fact there is far more empirical support for the arguments that states and societies that are more culturally similar tend to go to war more often, or have disputes that become violent more often, that those that are different from each other. Huntington is important because he is widely read and therefore you have to read him in order to be taken seriously. Also, he’s sort of a stalking horse for a number of interesting, if not empirically verified/verifiable, ideas. His work on failed transitions to democracy is theoretically very important. As is his work on CIV-MIL relations. But he cuts a lot of corners that has brought him a lot of official censure.

  88. 88.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    @Mnemosyne: Why did I not know about that until now?

    I had thought LMM looked familiar, then I remembered he was Alvy on House a few years ago. Loved him.

    I know they’ll be staging Hamilton in London — and frankly, it might be cheaper for me to try to score tickets in London and fly there than it would be to go home to New York and see it there. I’m waiting for eventual news of the touring company coming to Atlanta, maybe in 2018 — but I must see this play.

  92. 92.

    lamh36

    @Anne Laurie: OMG!!! Thank you…he is NOT great. The fact that I didn’t hate him in this and that I didn’t miss Hugh Grant as Daniel Cleaver, is surprising, but maybe it’s just cause I’m happy to have a real ending of the series, especially since I really didn’t like the 3rd and final book Fielding wrote for the series…

  94. 94.

    Mnemosyne

    @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:

    We bought season tickets to the Pantages Theatre just so we would have guaranteed Hamilton tickets. I mean, we’re going to go see 5 more of the shows (Book of Mormon is coming back, but we’re skipping The Bodyguard), but the primary motivation was guaranteed Hamilton tickets.

    If you have any connections in Chicago, they’re having an open-ended run there, so it might end up being easier to see it there than in NYC. Though presumably demand for NYC will die down a little now that most of the original cast is gone. Probably.

  95. 95.

    lamh36

    @The Lodger: lol…IKR…I hope my sis is ready. I feel for my gran though, cause she is the one who watches Zoe when my sis is at school and my gran isn’t as fast as she used to be…so if Zoe gets away from her…then ZOOM she’s gone…lol

    But my gran is married to a MUCH younger man, and he’s the one who runs around behind Zoe…lol

  96. 96.

    hovercraft

    @different-church-lady:
    NY AG is investigating the Trump Foundation, AG says the investigation has been going on for a while.

    New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has opened a broad investigation into the Donald J. Trump Foundation, sources told the Daily News Tuesday.

    The probe will focus on several topics related to the GOP nominee’s charity, including its 2013 $25,000 donation to the Florida Attorney General’s campaign after her office said it was considering legal action against Trump University. Charities are barred, under IRS, rules from making any political donations.

    The probe will also focus on purchases the charity purportedly made for Trump, including a $20,000 portrait of the mogul. Such purchases are also against IRS rules for charities.

    In a subsequent interview with CNN Tuesday night, Schneiderman, whose office is already overseeing a $40 million suit against Trump related to his shuttered scam school, said he was investigating the charity “to make sure it’s complying with the laws governing charities in New York.”

  100. 100.

    lamh36

    @Anne Laurie: @Omnes Omnibus: I actually did know about the race car driving…saw some fluff piece on one of those entertainment shows after he was canned from Grey’s Anatomy.

    They showed the usual stock footage and one of them was from a celebrity car race he was a part of.

    The last movie I remember seeing with Dempsey I can barely remember the title without googling it, and to be honest I don’t even want to cause I’d rather not have to even think about how crappy the movie and he was…smh

    He’s def been resting on pretty…

  104. 104.

    lamh36

    @Mnemosyne: Have I talked about how much I LOVED Kingman (aside from the troublesome ending rescue scene with the “hostage” girl)? What’s not to like, Colin Firth in tailored suit, rimmed glasses (if you like that look on him, watch a Single Man…where he in glasses like those all the time!) kicking azz and taking names. That church massacre scene was AWESOME! So happy apparently, he’ll be back for the 2nd film in some small form..

    I’m really shocked I don’t have it on BluRay. I need to work on that.

  107. 107.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Anne Laurie: How well has his acting career gone? You don’t like him, but it appears that millions of others do/did. Tastes vary. There is a movie about Jackie Kennedy coming out. Do you want to take a swing at her again since you are going with random dislikes?

  108. 108.

    BR

    @Lizzy L:

    The assumption that Trump has no chance of winning terrifies me. That is really the only way he can win. An October surprise plus a bad media cycle can tip a 3 point Clinton win to a dead heat, and that could be the ball game. We need margin both for victory and to ensure that a surprise doesn’t tip the election.

    That means signing up to volunteer. I just got home from a phone bank an hour back. Everyone needs to be doing it. Please. There wasn’t nearly enough diversity at the phone bank I was at — not at all reflective of the Dem diverse coalition. We need to change that.

  117. 117.

    Mnemosyne

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:

    He’s actually pretty good at playing a stiff, unlikeable guy — he has a similar role in Shakespeare In Love. But we fans love him anyway.

    One of the reasons he’s so great in The King’s Speech is that he plays off both of those personae at the same time.

  119. 119.

    Mike J

    @Mnemosyne: I think that’s a spare the white house had laying around and thrust upon him after he showed up in jeans and t shirt. “Here’s a jacket and tie, the president is out there!”

  120. 120.

    Mnemosyne

    @ruemara:

    I don’t see it anywhere near me in October, but I’ll keep an eye out for it. If they haven’t already, they should get in touch with the Autry to let them know when they’re coming to the LA area. They might be able to get a speaking slot and/or some extra publicity since the Autry does a lot of presentations and theater by and starring Native Americans.

    ETA: Escondido is northern San Diego, so unfortunately pretty far for me. :-(

  123. 123.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t remember Shakespeare in Love well enough to comment, but, as Geoffrey Clifton, he’s stiff, and sometimes inarticulate, but he is not unlikable. Quite the opposite, really; Almásy is the one who can be really unlikable at times. The story wouldn’t work if Geoffrey were unlikable. What the Minghella and Firth manage is the tricky job of making him stodgy while letting his fundamental decency and love for Katherine come through. It’s what turns that half of the movie into a tragedy.

  124. 124.

    Princess (now General) Leia

    Had to say goodbye to my cattle dog Maisie today. It is so hard- great to be on here with so many who understand what it is to love a dog or cat so much. I was inspired to adopt Maisie after reading about John’s finding and adopting of Lily. I am so grateful to him and you all here – the 6 years I had with her taught me so much about love.

  132. 132.

    Peale

    @Adam L Silverman: yeah. I remember having to read him in a graduate course on the military, politics and society. I couldn’t figure out why the civilization clash idea was supposed to be valuable. he seemed to want to work rather too hard to pit a triumphant Protestant culture against everyone else.mGor instance, how long does Mexico have to be catholic and have a population debating modern ideas before they can be considered part of the “West”. 500 years not long enough? It’s like all of Latin America is stuck in “mañana” culture limbo, a mountain village that no one from the outside world has visited for a few hundred years.

  133. 133.

    Suzanne

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Mildly geeky is okay. Looking stupid (aka like a dudebro) is a real turnoff for me.

    Think Robert Downey, Jr. He looks hot in glasses. I very much approve. As does James Spader. More approval.

  134. 134.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Suzanne: There are people who may find me more attractive if I wear glasses; that doesn’t mean I want to wear them. I don’t.

  136. 136.

    Suzanne

    @Omnes Omnibus: I understand, I was highly glasses-ambivalent until I got iciBerlins. Best glasses EVAR, feels like wearing nothing. I have worn glasses for a long time, though, so I have gotten pretty into them.

  138. 138.

    Tokyokie

    @Mnemosyne: I don’t know which I hate worse, the cheap, narrow-brimmed Trilbies hipsters wear, and the smug bastards who put them on their heads. For fuck’s sake, could you at least get a goddamn hat that fits? And then learn how to wear the damn thing? Anything with a downturned brim isn’t supposed to ride on the top of your head like a porkpie. And if you really want to look cool rather than like a jerkoff, then pay more than $12 at Target for the damn thing. A Borsalino Trilby will set you back about $250, but hey, looking cool comes at a price. Or better still, ditch the goddamned Trilby altogether. Sinatra looked cool in one back in the ’50s, and you’re not fucking Frank Sinatra, or even Frank Sinatra Jr., asshole. But if you really want to look cool, get a fedora with like an 8 cm brim. (Of course, Borsalini of that style start at about $350.) And wear it at an angle and pull the front brim over one eye, for crissakes. Have you never seen a Robert Mitchum noir? Of course, if you’re not as nearly as cool as Frank Sinatra, then you’re way out of Mitchum’s league. Maybe you should just stick with wearing the gimme hat backward.

  142. 142.

    nellcote

    Edward Snowden has set out the case for Barack Obama granting him a pardon before the US president leaves office in January,

    AKA pr for Oliver Stone’s soon to open movie.

    also no love for Malcolm Mcdowell’s bowler in Clockwork Orange?

  152. 152.

    shomi

    @nellcote: Lol…and Obama basically told him to go pound sand.

    Obama had a really good response. He said that if Snowden feels like there is something really wrong then he should get a lawyer and make his case in court because that is how the system works. You cannot have it both ways by saying stuff like “I won’t get a fair trial” or whatever and then ask for a pardon because of that. It doesn’t work that way.

    Obama also said that there is was a whistleblower mechanism (that Obama put in place btw) that would have allowed Snowden to reveal what he did legally instead of the way he did. So he has nobody to blame but himself by going for the more dramatic route to catch headlines by willingly committing multiple felonies.

  153. 153.

    J R in WV

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Way more violence if the trump loses. They’ll need to show us that they really won, and there’s nothing we can do about it. I imagine the National Guard won’t take very much bullshit from those pieces of excrement.

    Between the feds and the Southern Poverty Law Center they will know who to watch election night. Between the sovereign citizens – wait, is there any difference between the Sov Citz and the KKK? Just asking. All one big bundle of frayed nerves giving them goofy bad ideas if you ask me.

  155. 155.

    J R in WV

    @Calouste:

    No dude, the President can pardon you in advance of any trial, and then there’s no offence to try you for. Remember, Ford pardoned Nixon the day after Nixon resigned. Huge scandal at the time, suspicion that Ford told Nixon he would pardon him if it became necessary, in order to get the VP nomination.

  159. 159.

    Gelfling 545

    @jacy: I wonder iff even Russian hackers are beginning to think that life in a world where Trump was able to see indulge his size xl ego with all the resources of the US government might not really be a good thing for anyone in any country.

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