Democrat @JoeGarcia was secretly recorded saying Clinton "is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her" https://t.co/n2pNNkHTA8
— Patricia Mazzei (@PatriciaMazzei) September 12, 2016
Is… inartful, but probably not incorrect. Per the Miami Herald:
Joe Garcia, the former Miami Democratic congressman running for his old seat, told supporters in a candid moment over the weekend that Hillary Clinton “is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her, or that she’s going to seduce you.”
Why Garcia went there is unclear. He was secretly recorded by a political “tracker” as he spoke informally at a Key West Democratic campaign office opening Saturday, video obtained by the Miami Herald shows…
“I believe that we’re going to have — I’ll mention it when I speak — I believe we’re about to see the most consequential presidency that we’ve seen since Lyndon Johnson,” Garcia says. “This is not because I think Hillary Clinton is the greatest ever. But I do believe she is extremely, exceedingly competent, and she — I know this is going to sound weird to you, but to me, as somebody who studies history, she’s going to be very similar to Lyndon Johnson.
“Lyndon Johnson wasn’t a particularly charming man, wasn’t a particularly nice man: He would ask you nice, and then when you didn’t do it, he made you do it,” Garcia continued. “And Hillary is under no illusions that you want to have sex with her, or that she’s going to seduce you, or out-think you.”…
Garcia then recommends listening to the Johnson tapes, admiring how Johnson got votes for the Civil Rights Act by calling senators from Western states by threatening to kill money for their water projects.
Asked to explain why he would refer to someone wanting to have sex with Clinton, Garcia issued a statement to the Herald.
“I believe Secretary Clinton is the most competent and qualified presidential candidate in the history of this country, man or woman,” he said. “My comments speak to Secretary Clinton’s focus on getting things done, and not on the gender stereotypes and biases women in public life are frequently subjected to. I fully support Hillary Clinton for president, and I’m confident she will be one of our country’s most effective presidents.”
National Republicans, however, cast Garcia’s remark as embarrassing…
And the same Media Village Idiots who’ve spent the past 18 months earnestly asking each other whether an older woman who was never sexy can convince Real Americans to vote for her are appalled, nay, outraged at the idea that one of her supporters might privately opine that she doesn’t want to have sex with them. Or at least be polite enough to pretend she wants to want to have sex with them. (Garcia, of course, quickly apologized.)
Meanwhile, from a Canadian reporter on the U.S. beat:
This is a list of things Trump said in one interview on CNBC this morning. pic.twitter.com/0KawkE4fZr
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 12, 2016
Apart from all the persistent double standards, what’s on the agenda for the day?
Zinsky
I don’t quite get this guys comments, but I think he is correct about the efficacy of a Hillary presidency. She is a technocrat. She will get things done. Bill could have been a more effective president if he hadn’t spent so much time chasing women. Hillary won’t waste that time.
Another Holocene Human
Trump should pay for that “Pocahantas” comment but he probably won’t.
BR
Who here hasn’t signed up to volunteer yet? Do it now: sign up to volunteer at an event. I’ve been phonebanking and it has one big benefit and one small benefit: the big benefit is obvious — this election is too important for anyone to sit out — but the small benefit is that it keeps you grounded during all the nonsense media waves.
I heard a great story from someone phonebanking here — she said she spoke with an “undecided voter” who every time she asked him about Clinton would say “well I have an issue with Clinton because …” This exchange happened several times, with our phonebanker patiently replying with a few short reasons for her support. Finally, after connecting it to the personal, the “undecided voter” said something like “You know, you’re totally right, I am going to vote for Clinton. I guess I just needed someone to talk to about it.”
So, sign up.
JPL
NBC.com has this headline Trump Supporter Strikes Protester as Trump Decries ‘Deplorables’ Comment. Maybe it’s wishful thinking, but the media could lead with this.
Amir Khalid
I don’t understand why the tip of Donald’s nose doesn’t extend five feet out by now, with birds nesting at its tip.
BR
@Another Holocene Human:
Elizabeth Warren should “leak” (not personally, but via someone near her) that Trump called her and apologized for his repeated bigoted name calling towards her. If she leaks it to some online outfit that is semi-credible, and does it late at night, then Trump’s campaign won’t have a chance to respond before Trump does the next morning on Twitter. His response to that would just mire him further in it.
shomi
@BR: Lol….whatever. If anyone is still claiming to be ‘undecided’ with their vote fluttering around like a feather in the wind there is no hope for them and I question if these people are really ‘undecided’.
The key point is that Hillary actually has national a grassroots get out the vote campaign and is raising boatloads of cash. The Drumpster fire has nothing and probably raising historically low amounts of money.
That won’t stop the stress puppies and pantswetters around here who only want to focus on the negatives which are quite small in comparison.
Obama’s grassroots campaign is what gave him the landslides as opposed to just winning handily. From what I hear Hillary has more or less the same size operation.
Amir Khalid
@Zinsky:
You do know, don’t you, that some say Hillary chases women too.
BR
@JPL:
Stupid question — shouldn’t the people at his rallies to kick and punch protestors get booked and charged with battery? Have they?
OzarkHillbilly
I get what he is saying, however inartfully he put it, I get it: She’s not going to fuck around, she’s got a job to do and making you feel better about yourself isn’t part of it.
BR
@shomi:
Actually, the entire point of that story is that there is hope for them, but that it takes work and that’s what I’m asking others to join in. Some people aren’t deeply political — imagine if all you hear about politics is what you see at the grocery store on magazine headlines and hear while switching channels through cable news. Those folks vote too, and we want their votes just like anyone else.
Cat48
Maybe that’s required behavior where Garcia lives. Whatever, put him one of those baskets. I hope the press doesn’t talk about it all day, but they seem to do whatever the GOP tells them to do.
shomi
@BR: Yea I guess. Better comment that these trolling gnat flies buzzing around here saying the Drumpster fire is like totally going to win trying to get a rise out of the pantswetters. They deserve each other. Why people even bother responding to those guys (probably just one guy) is beyond me.
Matt McIrvin
I hesitate to say this, but… I disagree with this characterization.
Remember how Fidel Castro kept talking about how he had the hots for her?
Anne Laurie
@Zinsky:
I was just amused that a man said it. Because I have compared notes with other opinionated women (aka ‘feminists’) any time over the last forty years, and it’s a standing joke how many men who tell us that they would never lower themselves to have sex with a filthy, disgusting, loudmouth like us are nevertheless highly insulted by the idea that we might not want to have sex with them, either. I’ve actually been told, in more or less these exact words, that it’s impolite for a woman not to be honored by a man making vulgar comments about her desirability — and even that failing to be sufficiently ‘flirtatious’ is an excuse for a male stranger to physically assault a woman, in the name of every man’s honor, apparently.
(Look, I didn’t say it made sense, I just said that’s what I’ve been told. By men. Take it up with guys like Donald ‘If she weren’t my daughter, I’d totally hit that’ Trump.)
Garcia was trying to reassure the Dem pants-wetters that voters weren’t looking for a Miss America contestant to be our President — they’d be perfectly content with a nut-cracking ball-buster (as the Repubs keep calling HRC) who nevertheless would get good legislation passed, just as LBJ did.
Mustang Bobby
Joe Garcia’s district is literally next door to my neighborhood, and yes, this sounds like something he would say. Oy.
JPL
@BR: This is from the article
The unidentified man was allowed to remain for the rest of the rally, and Asheville police did not immediately return NBC News’ request for comment on why the aggressive man was allowed to remain inside after his actions.
Ben Cisco
This all seems very strange; the last politician on a national ticket that was supposedly hot wasn’t fit to be in charge of a roadside fruit stand (which is kind of the point of running for an office in the first place). Meh.
Matt McIrvin
@Ben Cisco: I dunno, doesn’t the current President kind of have that reputation?
rikyrah
Good Morning ?, Everyone ?
Betty Cracker
@JPL: I saw the clip, and the security dude had to put himself between the protesters he was leading away and the aggressive Trump supporter, who was slapping at and raising fists toward the protesters. From what I saw, there was no excuse to let that guy remain at the rally since he was clearly a violent troublemaker.
My grandparents used to live in Asheville, the site of the rally, and I know the area well. One thing that has always struck me about the region and its people is how polite everyone is. Attending a Trump rally appears to wash away that surface congeniality, revealing the ugly mob underneath it.
Waldo
@BR:
Absolutely. But the cops probably figure (correctly) that the safest immediate course of action is to haul out a handful of protestors rather than risk sparking a riot by going after the most violent Trump nuts. The assailants can be arrested and charged later — which has happened in at least some cases.
raven
@Betty Cracker: There are plenty on knuckle dragging assholes in that “region”.
JPL
@raven: The deplorables ads that Clinton releases should be interesting, and hopefully they all end with Pence’s refusal to call Duke deplorable.
Betty Cracker
@raven: That’s true of every place on the entire planet, of course. Still, it’s weird to see what look like middle-aged church ladies and nice old grandpas form a jeering mob.
@JPL: The challenge will be to edit the copious video material depicting “deplorables” down into a 60 or 30-second spot.
Cermet
But both sides!!! Screams all the fainting editor’s of the corporate news whore media.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@raven: Thanks so much. I love you, too.
Asheville is actually pretty liberal – we keep being gerrymandered to dilute that. Surrounding counties are another story, especially with the flood of not-from-around-here assholes who have inundated the region over the last 20 years. Used to be a fairly tolerant region, as these places go. Not so much now.
JPL
I picked the right time to stream Morning Joe. They are talking about Trump’s ties with Putin, and his refusal to release his taxes. Mika just called him creepy for his views of females in the military.
?BillinGlendaleCA
On my adventure last Thursday, I visited this church.
JPL
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Beautiful!
Cacti
For any Gen X’ers or hip hop fans:
Today is the 20th anniversary of Tupac’s death.
Apart from being a sad event, damn does it make me feel my middle age.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Cacti: In need of my walker gramps?
Comrade Scrutinizer
@JPL: All it took was for Trump to accuse Joe and Mika of going heels to Jesus.
Cacti
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Yes, I am. :-(
?BillinGlendaleCA
@JPL: Thanks, it’s the Greek Orthodox cathedral here in LA.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@Cacti: Heh. When I was born Buddy Holly was still alive.
Immanentize
Hello, All.
I got Garcia’s remark immediately. Last night we were watching an episode of Parks and Recreation in which Leslie takes the blame for shooting Ron Swanson while hunting (just a flesh wound!). The ranger investigating was all confused when Leslie acted competent, so she then goes into a girl routine — “I had a new bra that popped open. I felt all emotional, I just want to have babies. Are you single? I’m stupid.” That satisfied the ranger that it was an accident….
Garcia was just trying to say, Clinton will not act like that — she is like the real Leslie Knope. PS. I love Ron Swanson.
ETA clarity
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Comrade Scrutinizer: Missed that by about a year.
Botsplainer
@BR:
I’d say that those responses showed that 30 years of the lies of the Christian Right as pled on the Wingnut Wurlitzer have had their desired effect on people – an insensate notion of undeserved dislike.
We know them by their fruits; Joe Goebbels would be proud.
OzarkHillbilly
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Nice.
Mustang Bobby
@Comrade Scrutinizer: I remember the Day the Music Died.
Immanentize
@?BillinGlendaleCA: same year for me, I was just about 6 months too late to get the “bad news on my doorstep.”
Singular
Good article in the guardian today…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/12/how-america-became-a-1-society
Comrade Scrutinizer
There are some old farts hanging out here…
Immanentize
@Comrade Scrutinizer: You hadn’t noticed?
Comrade Scrutinizer
@Immanentize: I guess the smell of linament should have been a clue.
Botsplainer
OT – anybody know anything about stray weirdness popping into photos? Youngest daughter was attempting a couple of photos of her cat in her apartment bathroom last night, and in one frame, it looks like there’s a pretty good clump of unkempt hair in the edge of one frame, it isn’t in the other. She kind of flipped out – a neighbor committed suicide by hanging on the other side of that wall about 16 months ago and she’d gone in with the relatives to find the body. She’d also reported thumps and sounds for the month or so that the unit was not rented (I attributed it to stress and imagination).
The fucking shot disturbs me a lot, and I kept coming up with ways to debunk it. Her own hair was pulled back and is pretty short anyway, but she was aiming the camera toward a mirror.
Betty Cracker
@Immanentize: I love “Parks and Rec” and have always thought the Leslie Knope character was a Hillary archetype. If only all real-life libertarians were as basically sweet, generous and honorable as Ron Swanson!
Kay
Weird, unprofessional grudge continues:
Biden said he had pneumonia last year and so did Schumer.
The “pneumonia must be revealed immediately!” theory of the prosecution is falling apart :)
My son supports Clinton because he thinks she’ll be tough- that’s his reason- not that you wouldn’t want to have sex w/her, but same basic idea as Garcia, I think. Consequential. Effective.
Betty Cracker
@Botsplainer: Oh, that’s creepy! I’m sure there’s a logical explanation. But still. I’d probably move!
Immanentize
@Comrade Scrutinizer: That — and people using the word liniment!
Immanentize
@Betty Cracker: Agreed! In last night’s episode Knope had a picture of Madeline Allbright on her desk. The whole thing is just perfect.
Immanentize
@Botsplainer: mirrors really mess with light as it comes back to the glass on a lens. I would guess it was this double reflection effect that can mess up the digitalis. But others here are actually pros.
Even though they are remaking the Blair Witch Project, there are no known photos of spirits that are not faked.
Botsplainer
@Betty Cracker:
She’s hated the place ever since the neighbor did that, but had it decorated cute. Plus, the neighborhood is safe, the building has restricted entry and she has good parking. She’s lon the 6th floor, and the place is under professional management, which makes it easy for me to do interaction and the rent. Still, she has been hunting and informed me yesterday morning that she’s found an appropriate space in a smaller building. Her freak out last night and that disturbing fucking photo left me a little flummoxed – me driving there was out of the question at that time (I would have fallen asleep – it was around 11), and each of us had shit early this AM, so she couldn’t come home, either.
Cermet
@Botsplainer: You are really creeping me out – I am sure there is a logical and non-strange answer …
Southern Beale
Nobody wants to have sex with Hillary Clinton? I’m confused because on the internet all day Sunday I keep hearing about how she was hot.
LOL.
In other news, Tennessee is finally #1 at something!
OzarkHillbilly
In Pittsburgh:
Oh no, they would never do a thing like that. By the way, just who is ‘Veolia’?
JPL
@Southern Beale: That is sad. In a perfect world, a major newspaper would write about the increase in accidental gun deaths after passing lax gun laws.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Botsplainer:
@Immanentize: Not just mirrors, any reflective or even glossy surface can make strange things appear in pictures. Even a bug flying by can look like other things since it’s not in the depth of field of the subject.
I have a day/night camera outside my window(I keep it closed since it causes glare on my computer screen), I see bright flashes of light on it some times. The reason, spiders really close to the lens. When I was using a camera that was inside behind the glass, I had the black fog that slowly covered the picture, it was a snail crawling across the window.
Iowa Old Lady
I don’t particularly want to have sex with Clinton, but the thought of sex with Trump makes me hyperventilate, and not in a good way.
OzarkHillbilly
@Botsplainer: What @Immanentize: said.
JPL
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I still find it creepy.
Botsplainer
@Immanentize:
That’s what I tried to reassure her about. She wasn’t having any of it – and said that the cat sat in the tub and stared at the spot for a bit after the photo was taken.
Iowa Old Lady
@Mustang Bobby: I’ve been to the crash site in an Iowa field. There’s a little monument there.
Mai.naem.mobile
I don’t know about Hilz never being sedy. I have a friend(early 40s) tell me during the primaries when they were running biographical pieces, how he had forgotten how hot she was during the 90s and how he would have totally ‘done’ her.
I would be very happy if she does turn out like LBJ but I am not sure you can have an LBJ in the current environment. You need earmarks and a media that doesnt go crazy over stupid little shiny items.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@JPL: I get weird stuff in my pictures all the time. Usually I can figure out what it is by looking at the picture at 100 or 200% size. Sometimes you just chalk it up to just weirdness.
gene108
@Anne Laurie:
Part of me thought it was a bad joke or ham handed way to compliment his daughter, until I saw the RNC convention, when he started to grope her on national TV, with many cameras and many angles to record it and no self-control in evidence or concern for how creepy it was.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Botsplainer: A tub? Lots of reflections there.
Botsplainer
Other fun facts – she says she’s woken up on more than one occasion to see the figure of a man standing at the end of her bed, and that stuff moves around.
I told her that it was a waking dream; this was a child who once started screaming like she was getting murdered in the middle of the night when she was thirteen; her dreams can be super vivid. I explained the movement of stuff as the result of an active apartment cooped cat.
Botsplainer
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Normally, but that would require a bit of porcelain cleaning that she’s disinclined to do unless we’re visiting.
When she sent the photos, I had to stifle the urge to tell her to really scrub down everything to make it less gloomy in there; she is probably using bullshit vegan cleaning products.
gene108
@Mai.naem.mobile:
I do not want her to LBJ. He had a flurry of activity in 1964 and 1965. By 1966 he was not getting much done.
By 1968 he was toxic to the Democratic Party because of his escalation of the Vietnam War.
I hope she gets good laws passed that are meaningful for people.
But I do not want her to flame out by 2020, like LBJ did.
danielx
Wish to nominate none other than my man David Brooks for best proclamation of both-sides-do-it this season. Take it away, Dave:
The Sage of the Acela Corridor (h/t Driftglass) strikes again. Words fail.
Hal
@Kay:
Chris Hayes had Michael Steele and Jennifer Granholm on his show last night and Steele and Hayes seemed taken aback that Clinton did not immediately tell everyone about the pneumonia. The way steele talked about it, pneumonia is a close cousin to ebola. “It can turn into something much worse!” Ahhhhhh.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Botsplainer: You’d be surprised how much a reflection you can get off of stuff, especially with flash.
Immanentize
@Botsplainer: Or that could be an effect of carbon monoxide or dioxide. All the more reason to follow Betty’s advice.
OzarkHillbilly
@Mai.naem.mobile: I am another who found her very attractive back in the day.
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
Playing catch-up on threads and I saw you had talked to your doctor. Sorry that you’ll need surgery, but once you recover, you’ll probably be bionic enough to lift a barn all by yourself. Good luck!
OzarkHillbilly
@Botsplainer:
My wife is very interesting to sleep with too. I never know what is going to happen.
raven
@Comrade Scrutinizer: I know that, I also know it’s not that far of a drive from places where Trumpers are. I also would note that there is no shortage of folks in Asheville that aren’t afraid of doing their best to get Trumpers to jump ugly. There are a bunch of pictures of the same woman sticking her fuck you fingers into the faces of people going in the rally. I’m not saying it’s right to assault people but there are people who want it to happen.
Kay
@Hal:
I think it’s a close call. Does she have to reveal a bad flu? People die from that every year. What about a sprain? Breaks but not sprains?
Joe Biden didn’t think he had to reveal it, so there’s some play here.
I know she’ll release the records but I also know Trump will release bullshit and lies and that’s inequitable. These demands have to be reciprocal and there has to be equal pressure on both candidates. That’s just simple fairness.
debbie
@Botsplainer:
If the shots were taken in a row and the schmutz isn’t in both, then it’s not something in the lens. There could be some kind of defect on the media she’s using. But if she’s uncomfortable, she should move.
ETA: Though if the schmutz is in focus, then it would be something on the lens.
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie: Those days are long past. I’ll settle for relatively pain free in that joint.
debbie
@OzarkHillbilly:
I know that feeling: No pain is good pain. My nephew has had 3 shoulder surgeries thanks to football. He (now) feels much, much better than he did before.
JMG
If Trump releases falsified medical records, any M.D. who signed them would be in serious professional trouble, and you know there will be at least one reporter going after said doc or docs.
Kay
@Hal:
I don’t know what she’s thinking of course, but the context of this as follows: Trump and media were promoting the idea that she was deathly ill. It seems entirely reasonable to me for her to believe they’d go completely insane if she revealed the diagnosis, regardless of what it is.
It goes back to this insane relationship between media and the Clintons. It’s chicken/egg. One side says the other causes the behavior. I don’t know how they fix it, but I DO know one side (Clinton) can’t fix it without some admission of responsibility from media.
Matt McIrvin
@danielx: I can’t imagine why Hillary Clinton would be so distrustful.
Kay
@Hal:
For me it’s like this: I don’t care about the NYTimes rivalry with the WaPo. I don’t care if they “trust” the Clintons. I don’t care about all these theories. I think they have a duty to be professional.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: I have a problem asking anyone for something I am not willing to offer up my ownself. Understanding that she is running for President and that requires a little more transparency than just being your regular dumb fvck carpenter, I still hardly feel like we deserve a daily health report.
Ben Cisco
@Matt McIrvin: I had not considered that – I retract my statement.
Kay
@Hal:
I think it’s perfectly valid to ask why they spent 18 months on emails and did no investigative reporting on Trump. They haven’t answered that. Was it a mistake? A misuse of reportorial resources? An editorial decision? They DON’T know anything about Trump. Did they think it wouldn’t matter because he wasn’t likely to win? Okay. Say that.
Matt McIrvin
@Ben Cisco: Granted, as a woman, Sarah Palin was treated very differently with regard to appearance.
raven
@gene108: fuck JBJ
gene108
@Matt McIrvin:
Conservative men, who like her, objectified her first and foremost. Lurking an inch below the surface of all their praise was the fact they wanted to bone her.
gene108
@raven: took you long enough
raven
@gene108: I was making french toast,
Betty Cracker
@Kay:
I also suspect Clinton’s thinking was along those lines. Plus, as she said on CNN last night, she probably didn’t think it was going to be that big of a deal. The reaction of the media since it all came out both validates her concerns and demonstrates how dicey it is NOT to be completely transparent — they might find out anyway, and it confirms preexisting perceptions, fairly or not.
Maybe the campaign can use this incident to illustrate media bias and explain why Clinton doesn’t trust the media to do its job, angling for a reset with voters who don’t trust her. I’m envisioning something like an exclusive interview in which Clinton shares her full medical records while noting that she doesn’t expect Trump to reciprocate since he’s refused to provide even the basic information that would allow the electorate to evaluate the claims upon which his entire candidacy rests, i.e., tax returns, etc.
She could point out again that she’s provided decades of tax returns, a complete medical history and has been the subject of multiple partisan witch hunts and all-consuming media scrutiny, while Trump remains the most opaque candidate for president ever and is clearly held to a completely different standard even though they’re both running for the same job. Might not do any good. But maybe it’s worth a try.
OzarkHillbilly
@Betty Cracker:
Dreamer.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I think that’s a great idea.
This is an impasse. Both sides are dug in. To go forward I think she would have to admit she doesn’t trust them and they would have to admit that a lot of their investigations into the Clintons have been overblown/turned up nothing.
I also think they start from this place where THEY believe they are trusted, and they’re not. It could benefit both sides if this 20 year grudge were aired and discussed.
I know they were probably invested in the email story. They spent months and months on it. But that doesn’t mean they get to pretend they found something. I think people would actually appreciate it if they came out and said “we found no illegality” instead of this “clouds and rumors” stuff.
Botsplainer
@gene108:
I found her very physically appealing, but once she opened her mouth, that godawful voice turned the blood flow off.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: I was just going to say something like that. There are a million ways that type of openness would be punished by the media. I wish it weren’t so. But there it is.
JMG
Saying “I’m fine” to others when one is not fine at all is close to a universal human trait. I understand Clinton’s suspicion, but the best way to deal with unpleasant news is to routinize it. Had she announced on Friday she’d been diagnosed with what she had and what treatment was, TV news would’ve been all their in-house doctors, etc. Imagine if Obama got the same thing. There’d have been a White House announcement, a press conference with doctors, and while it would be news, it wouldn’t be NEWS!
Kay
I was away for the weekend and my husband put a Clinton yard sign up. It’s fine but this is a very Republican area and I wondered if my 14 year old was self conscious about our political minority status, so I asked him. He’s as blunt as his father and he said “no- I think it’s good” so I’m proud of him :)
Steeplejack (phone)
@Mustang Bobby:
Don’t you have a birthday around now? I think once you said “late summer.”
shomi
@JPL: No no….the media is all anti-Hillary because that is what the pantswetters in the Ball Juice comments are saying. See because there was this article today and Morning Joe said something that one time because they gotta fill air time.
Honestly don’t know why anyone gives a flying fuck what Morning Joe idiots or Chuckles Toddler says. Does anyone even watch these shows anymore? Any right leaning asshole they may influence is going to be watching Faux News clowns, not MSNBC clowns.
artem1s
this is the first I am hearing about Garcia’s remark. My first thought, maybe it would have read better if he’d said ‘she doesn’t want to date you’. But pretty much idea is the same. No more courting the Bernie Bros, or the Libertarians or Independents or old Conservatives. There will be no ‘third way’ during Hillary’s term. The only way will be the Hillary Way, as in, “find a way to work with me or get left behind cause I got 4, maybe 8 years to get shit done and I’m doing it, fuck prom night”.
gene108
@Betty Cracker:
The media wears Clinton’s distrust as a badge of honor. They feel it is their job to “hold her accountable”. What gets lost in the wash is that not every politician or administration is the same. Some are more corrupt than others.
Bill Clinton ran a clean administration. His personal life is a different matter.
The media was angling for a Democratic Watergate or Iran-Contra, they did not accept there was nothing there.
Same thing is happening with Hillary during this campaign. The Republican primary field all had some level so shadiness in their backgrounds.
Rubio has his incredible expense account from his days as a Florida state legislator.
Christie has the closing of the GWB.
Rand Paul has his fake eye doctor association tha accredited him.
And Trump is a walking sewer of dirty dealing.
Therefore they need to balance the glaringly obvious corruption on the Republican side, with “scandals” on the Democratic side.
The media cannot and will not accept that Hillary is not as corrupt as her Republican counterparts.
Or it would be unfair to spend most of their coverage on Republican corruption, even though there are far more actual acts of corruption by Repubkicans than what Hillary has done.
The media will never admit wrong doing on their part. Never.
Booger
@Comrade Scrutinizer: who?
artem1s
@Betty Cracker:
well the Clintons have done exactly this for about two and a half decades. yea, it will totally work this time! I think she has the media’s ticket. shit happens, the press freaks out, it sticks or it doesn’t, and then, and only then, she addresses the shit that sticks. there is no predicting what gnat the media will decide to implode over on any given day. it is not her job to be their mommy and reassure them every time Glenn Beck pops out some insane theory. I think the Clintons have finally learned to relax and let it wash over them and ignore 99% of the crap that does not matter. They also have the advantage of keeping their eye on the ball while everyone else is distracted by The Village’s petty butthurt du jour. They get a lot of work done while no one is looking. And when everyone realizes that actual work has gotten done in the interim, the media and her enemies make themselves look silly in comparison. And people who matter, the people who that work affected and benefited, never, ever forget. The Dems need to quit pissing themselves every time the media tries to introduce chaos into the mix. Let the toddlers have their temper tantrum and move on.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
On one hand, it’s an interesting observation from a professional pol on Hilary, on the other hand it’s completely stupid venue to say it. I mean for god’s sake Hilary is a grandmother.
debit
@Botsplainer:
Okay, she’s gotta move. I mean, at this point it doesn’t matter if the figure is real or not, she doesn’t feel safe in her own home. All the logic and reassurances don’t matter doodly squat at three in the morning when you wake up and there’s something menacing you in your own room.
amk
@artem1s: This. Many bj’ers are easily distracted by the stupid shiny objects dangled by msm. Hillz is operating in no more fucks to give territory.
rikyrah
Uh huh
Uh huh
Nate Silver gives GOP donors a closed-door presentation
By Jonathan Swan
September 12, 2016, 03:04 pm
Nate Silver, the ESPN journalist behind the FiveThirtyEight website, gave a presentation on the 2016 battleground map to a group of powerful Republican donors in Manhattan last week.
Silver was paid to give the presentation by the American Opportunity Alliance, a group led by some of the biggest GOP donors in the country, including hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer and the Ricketts family, which owns the Chicago Cubs.
Silver’s closed-door session was part of a two-day confab, held Sept. 7–8 at Le Bernardin Prive, a private dining room inside a New York City restaurant run by celebrity chef Eric Ripert.
Upward of three dozen top donors attended the gathering, along with senior Republican Party officials and strategists. Silver’s presentation on Wednesday afternoon was a highlight of the two-day event, people at the event said.
amk
@rikyrah: so silver got his 30 pieces then?
rikyrah
Ta-Nehisi Coates takes on the response of some in the media to Hillary Clinton’s “basket of deplorables.”
…what they [journalists] have yet to come to grips with is that Donald Trump is a democratic phenomenon, and that there are actual people – not trolls under a bridge – whom he, and his prejudices against Latinos, Muslims, and blacks, represent.
I do not believe that journalists are so powerful as to disabuse this group of their beliefs. But there is something to be said for not contributing to an opportunistic ignorance. For much of this campaign journalists have attacked Hillary Clinton for being evasive and avoiding hard questioning from their ranks. And then the second Clinton is forthright and says something revealing, she is attacked – not for the substance of what she’s said – but simply for having said it. This hypocrisy carries a chilling implicit message: Lie to me. Lie to the country. Lie to everyone. This weekend was not just another misanalysis, it was a shocking betrayal of the journalistic mission which should urge the revelation of truth as opposed to the propagation of hot takes, Washington jargon, and politics-speak…
The safe space for the act of being white endures today. This weekend, the media, an ostensibly great American institution, saw it challenged and – not for the first time – organized to preserve it. For speaking a truth, backed up by data, Clinton was accused of promoting bigotry. No. The true crime was endangering white consciousness. So it was when the president asserted that it was stupid to arrest a man for breaking into his own home. So it was when the president said that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin. And so it is when reformers suggest police not stop citizens on so flimsy a pretext as furtive movements. The need to be white is a sensitive matter – one which our institutions are inexorably and mindlessly bound to protect.
rikyrah
From our President:
OzarkHillbilly
@rikyrah: Good for him. Probably fleeced those idiots for a couple hundred $Gs giving them what they could have gotten for free by reading 538.
Chris
@Kay:
Worse. They’re dimly aware that they’re not trusted, but believe the reason for that is that they’re perceived as too liberally biased, the solution to which is to tilt even further right to prove to conservatives that they’re good and honorable people.
Which isn’t entirely wrong (that they’re perceived as liberally biased, not that they are liberally biased), but misses the fact that the bulk of their right-wing critics will never trust them no matter how much they bend over backwards – they’re all on the Newscorp bandwagon, and enough of them think they’re a bunch of milquetoast RINOs. At this point, the mainstream media would probably be doing better if they gave up on them altogether and tried to actually be the liberal media (or better yet the accurate media). But they’ll never do that because they have very particular ideas about who is and isn’t a legitimate viewer/voter/critic.
sherparick
If you are a Democratic politician or political consultant, NEVER, NEVER APOLOGIZE.
Instead, when asked if you apologize or regret the remark, respond:
I” will apologize when Donald Trump apologizes for calling Senator Elisabeth Warren Pochantos, when he apologizes for calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals, and when he apologizes for calling Black Lives protesters, thugs.”
Kay Eye
@gene108: LBJ got the big legislation done in the first two years, when he had a Democratic congress (and sane Republicans to counterbalance the Dixiecrats). After the mid-terms, lots of stuff, but not so huge as Medicare and Civil Rights.
Mr. Garcia had it a little backwards. So many women are schooled to be flirty with men – message being, “I’m subservient, I hope you want to f… me.” Hillary doesn’t do that shit.
Hillary may indeed prove to be as transformative as LBJ, but we have been trained to denigrate anything she does – just as with LBJ – incredible domestic programs … but Vietnam, so forget the other stuff. And yes, I demonstrated against the Vietnam war. But that other stuff has benefitted 5 generations of my family. And I’m not forgetting it.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Botsplainer: Any chance you could get her permission to put the photo up somewhere so the pros here could get a look at the weirdness?
Betty Cracker
@gene108 & @artem1s: The audience in my proposed scenario isn’t the media; it’s the voters. Yeah, the media sucks, is biased against the Clintons, blah blah blah — I think we’re all agreed there.
Unfortunately, that unfair Beltway media treatment has had an effect: The most honest, transparent candidate in the 2016 election is widely believed by the voters to be dishonest and calculating. Worse yet, there’s no way to change that perception on a mass scale that doesn’t involve interaction with the very agent that formed it.
I think it’s worth a shot to try to break the impasse and work the refs a little. It may not work, but Clinton is in a “damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t” situation with the Beltway press anyway. She might as well use this incident to try to go over their heads and talk to the voters.
raven
@Kay Eye: like I said
Immanentize
@amk: Or 30 pieces (of shit) got their Silver.
@OzarkHillbilly:
This.
sherparick
@rikyrah: As a white male (an old one at that), the only thing I would add to the estimable Mr. Coates comments “White” privilege, I would have put as “white male” privilege. For that is what is being defended.
Darkrose
@Cacti: Like Tupac is dead.
sherparick
@BR: Good idea. Also donate what you can both to Clinton and Act Blue Candidates. https://secure.actblue.com/about
Chris
@rikyrah:
Honestly, this has kind of been the unofficial social contract between the media, the GOP, and the majority of the public from 1980 until very recently.
When enough of America’s ugly secrets were brought to light one by one in the seventies and eighties, there’s a huge chunk of the country that basically went into denial, reacting not with “this is terrible, we need to do something about it” but with “this is terrible, I don’t want to feel this way about my world, make it stop.” Along comes Reagan; one of the biggest centerpieces of his campaign was basically to tell people “don’t worry, all that stuff isn’t true, it’s just stuff that a bunch of rabble-rousers made up to make you feel bad about America, because they’re all communists who hate America.” (Hence, “Reagan made white people comfortable with their prejudices again, and they loved him for it.”)
The fact that you’re not allowed to discuss racism (except when discussing a few fringe loonies like what’s left of the Ku Klux Klan) is part of that general “we don’t discuss America’s sins” post-Reagan consensus. The voters want to be flattered, lied to, and told repeatedly that they’re not racist, even as they also demand the right to be as racist as they want at all times. And all the elites are supposed to play along, be they in politics or in the media.
hovercraft
Samantha Bee had to wait till last night to comment on the CiC forum, and boy was it worth the wait. You can watch parts 1 and 2 here. The language is definitely NSFW
Botsplainer
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
She’d be cool with it. When I’m to a desktop, I can upload it to imgur.
JMG
@Chris: The primary news consumers of the national media, the big papers, network and cable TV news, are predominately older, whiter and median income or above. That is to say, they are also disproportionately right wing compared to the public at large. The media cannot afford to be accurate. They’ll lose customers.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@Amir Khalid: The make-up staff have these on hand at all times, along with the orange make-up base and the translucent powder for that awkward greasy shine. And the pale pink lip gloss.
hovercraft
@gene108:
Jonathan Martin confessed that since the Clintons are the closest thing we have to a royal family in America, and the media always assumed that she would run for president one day, the media has always treated them differently. So on top of treating them like Brangelina and digging through their garbage like the paparazzi, they also see them as their ticket to fame and glory. Every reporter wants to be the one who finally brings them down, everyone loves the build up, but what they love even more is the take down. Finally finding the smoking gun would make you bigger than Woodward and Bernstien, because the Clintons are so much bigger than Nixon.
gene108
@Chris:
There was a large swath of people raised on the belief America and our government was good.
People trusted government in the 1960’s.
Then came revelations about misconduct and the lack of transparency about winning Vietnam.
And Warergate.
Coupled with rising crime, a level of economic insecurity that was not manifest in the 1950’s and 1960’s, the breakdown of having to conform to the busy-bodies, i.e. sex outside of marriage being accepted, not going to church, etc. and the seeds of conservative counter revolution were there. Edit: People lost trust in government.
Add in the fact rich right-wingers were looking for ways to kill the New Deal for decades, and became willing to throw more money behind their cause, after Warergate and there’s a perfect storm for Reagan.
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Also, my observation of white people and racism is it is more nuanced than you agree with liberals or you are a KKK member.
A lot of whites are not comfortable going outside their confort zone. The whole country has been built on making whites comfortable, so there’s often not much need. They shun music, food ,etc. outside of their comfort zone, but they are not intentionally openly hostile to others.
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
Nate is a good guy.
and this helped our side, by telling the fatcats not waste their money on Trump.
This was just a speaking gig. Al Franken used to do paid speaking gig before running for the Senate.
The thing is, if Nate had done the very same presentation to a group of Dem donors in Hollywood there would have been a media firestorm. He probably would have got suspended. But IOKIYAR.
magurakurin
@rikyrah: and Silver you tell me has betrayed us…our list of allies grows thin.
Miss Bianca
@Botsplainer: That’s an unpleasant experience that your daughter had, for sure, and it could work strongly on one’s imagination.
I don’t think this will necessarily reassure you, but I did see my first ever “ghost photo” the other day. At least, it sure looked like a ghost at the door of the old bar where I was staying. That being said, I’ve seen all kinds of weird things bob up in photos – including a lot of strange little light spheres, which my Native American friends told me were spirits, but which could just as easily be some sort of refractions, as far as I am concerned.
So, “more things in Heaven and on Earth, Horatio”, etc. etc., but I wouldn’t jump to conclusions. Could be anything.
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
@hovercraft: he’s full of shit. How is it a ticket to fame if a reporter brings Clinton down, but not a ticket to fame if a reporter brings Trump down. Martin is just giving a weak excuse for their biased coverage and vendetta against clinton.
Barbara
When counseling female associates I tell them that when they go up against opposing counsel or in front of a judge that their demeanor should not suggest that they are hoping to be asked out on a date. And by this I simply mean that many women in professional situations can hedge or modify their behavior because there is such an ingrained expectation that they should comport themselves with a primary mission of being pleasing and attractive. I saw this firsthand as a court clerk when a significant percentage of female attorneys spoke softly and ended statements with that slight rise in pitch that usually signifies a question — undermining their own arguments. I am not going to speak for any men here, but it would not surprise me if they admitted that they look at every woman and — whether as a first or second or last impression — consider whether they are sexually attractive. I firmly believe that a woman’s “likability” is so bound up with whether she meets romantic ideas of attractiveness that much of the reaction we see to Clinton is simply being turned off by someone who isn’t interested in what you think of her as a sex object.
Barbara
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Indeed. I think that, at bottom, the political press is lazy. Their average story is to read the AP feed and then rewrite it with something close to an op-ed spin, maybe with some opinion polls. No investigation required.
different-church-lady
Not a lot of mystery if you know LBJ’s reputation as a notorious womanizer. Guy thought he was honey and women were flies. Apparently Garcia’s mind took a detour and figured he better pre-clarify that Hillary wasn’t going to be like LBJ in that sense.
msb
As Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote, “they are thinking about her with the wrong head”. And a great description of Palin herself: she is “in pertinacious possession of a small mind”.
Matt McIrvin
@Chris:
The Klan is gradually getting normalized–look at Trump and Pence’s reluctance to denounce them. I think it might be taboo to call them racist pretty soon.
Matt McIrvin
@Miss Bianca: The most common way you get little balls of light is out-of-focus airborne dust lit up by the camera flash. You see them most often in flash photos taken with small cameras, where the flash is very close to the lens. But there are whole websites devoted to insisting that they’re extradimensional intelligent beings.
Chris
@gene108:
Oh, sure. Like I said, discussing racism is still okay in the context of groups that are as fringe as the KKK has become. It’s just any discussion of it as anything other than a fringe phenomenon that freaks the majority of white people out.
@Matt McIrvin:
Then again, there’s this.
About a decade ago a friend of mine asked why we didn’t work harder to tie the Republican Party to fringe racist movements like what’s left of the Klan, since the connection is obviously there and not hard to make. My response: “Because if you can make it stick, you won’t be delegitimizing the Republican Party, you’ll just be re-legitimizing the Ku Klux Klan.” This campaign suggests I wasn’t wrong.
OzarkHillbilly
@Barbara:
There are 2 kinds of men in the world: Those who will admit to being a dog and those who will lie about it.
Matt McIrvin
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:
Nate’s been mostly talking up Trump’s chances lately, hasn’t he? He doesn’t have Trump over 50% probability, but it’s always seemed like ever since he realized he whiffed on the primaries, he’s been overcompensating by emphasizing any upside for Trump in his commentary.
hovercraft
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:
I agree it’s a cop out, but to them I think it’s their White Whale, they want to be the one who finally bags “The Clintons”, everyone else has tried, and they will be the one who finally succeeds. Bagging Trump while rewarding is not the same, every journalist on some level has believed for the last year and a half that Trump was on the verge of collapse. Hillary has on the other hand skated just out of reach for 25 years. Trump is a fad, the Clintons are an institution.
scav
This isn’t the one I vaguely remember reading, but digital cameras can produce some interesting artifacts. I swear the one I read had them actually sometimes adding extra people in part because of scanning lines instead of everything being captured simultaneously. ETA. the orbs are covered in here too.
different-church-lady
@Chris:
Astute. Seems like it’s proving that it’s a fundamental misreading of the electorate to assume the Klan is universally viewed as bad. The
basketmammoth cesspool of deplorables think of the Klan as the way things should be, and it’s only the social oppression of liberals that keep it from being that way. It’s not a fringe, it’s not a handful, it’s a significant percentage, and far larger than we’ve been thinking.gwangung
@Chris:
I.e., white fragility.
Botsplainer
Just wanted to point out that the whole flap over Benghazi was about the administration criticizing that white redneck piece of shit racist pastor Terry Jones for doing the Koran burning video, which was guaranteed to inspire widespread outrage, and was the cover for the planned raid in Benghazi.
And yeah, Jones is a racist piece of shit. There’s another vid of him and his drawling redneck congregation members saying the N word and griping about sagging pants.
Anyway, that’s whose water all those committees were carrying.
Betty Cracker
@Botsplainer: My daughter and I went to Tampa in 2012 to photograph the Republican Convention freak show. (Well, she went to photograph it; I went to make sure no one tried to fuck with my 14-year-old shutterbug.) There was a rainstorm, and we found ourselves sharing a trolley shelter with Jones. God, what a creepy, depraved motherfucker. You could feel the evil radiating off his person like heat from a Ben Franklin stove.
Matt McIrvin
@Botsplainer: It wasn’t Terry Jones’ Koran-burning thing, was it? It was some movie on YouTube that was slandering Mohammed, or something like that.
Miss Bianca
@Matt McIrvin: It’s funny how we take “photographic evidence” as gospel, which is even less justifiable now in the digital age than in the heyday of film…since it’s so easy to Photoshop images now, in addition to any naturally occurring weirdnesses. But I’ll admit it gave me a turn to see that photo a couple months ago. If’ I’d seen it reproduced in a book, I would have been more inclined to be skeptical…but these were friends of mine I trusted who said, “hey, look at this!” – and it was a photo they’d taken themselves. I distinctly perceived a silvery-grey human-shaped form standing in front of a windowed front door.
So, part of me is a hard-headed woman saying “bah, humbug”, and part of me is a gullible goober saying, “holy shit!” (particularly after their stories of hearing banging around upstairs when there was no one there, etc). Somewhere in between…the truth is out there… ; )
piratedan
@Betty Cracker: I agree BC, it would allow her to take her case to the people directly and allow an airing of the grievances, so to speak..
we could spend a good 60 minutes going over the bullshit du juor or perform a greatest hits..
Benghazi.. tragic but nothing could be done, unless we had more money up front for security, and we don’t, the GOP cut that from our budget
E-Mails – nothing wrong found and btw, did you know that classified is the lowest security level that there is.. really, just saying. Tell me, how is it that the sec of state isn’t worth the trouble from the NSA to set up something special in regards to e-mail…
health – I got sick and tried to tough it out, feel free to let me know if you’ve ever been sick and still tried to get things done
transparency – what else do you want to know? You have my taxes for the last 20 years, my own physician reports, I’ve been on trial in front of the American people for the last 25 years and no one has found anything remotely illegal. So is this an indictment of our justice system or am I just that incredibly gifted a politician or is it that I have powerful enemies that like to make my life difficult?
PhoenixRising
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
Most people get into that condition through the activity you’re grossed out to contemplate ‘a grandmother’ engaging in…just a little something to reflect on. 2 of my friends have recently become grandmothers. The one who was regularly getting laid before the baby was born still is, I’d expect; the other, not so much.
But his point was that Hillz isn’t here to make you feel happy in your junk, or anywhere else, and she’s not going to persuade you through lying about that–she’s going to persuade her fellow Dems by grabbing their junk and twisting it. Which is true. And hilarious. And effective.
rikyrah
@hovercraft:
Which is why, WHEN Hillary is Elected on November 8, 2016, it will be such an accomplishment. Lied on for phucking TWENTY FIVE YEARS by those jackals.
PhoenixRising
@Barbara:
Yup. I’ve been obviously gayer than a Disney parade for 30 years, and let me tell you, men in this culture have a hell of a time with women who don’t give a damn about complying with their expectations about what is ‘attractive’.
One of my sisters refers to me as asshole litmus paper. You find out what you’re dealing with in a straight man when your sister is more confidently masculine than he is. There are some sad, insecure little fellas out there, but there are also a lot of men who have overcome this brainwashing telling them to evaluate women first by whether they are ‘attractive’.
I’m at my desk LingOL at Joe Garcia, the FL Man who accidentally said aloud the real reason that so many men of all ages find Hillary grating: She isn’t here to make them feel happy in their pants. I’ve often wondered what % of that is women’s college, and what slice of it came in after that when the man who everyone agrees is sexy and is also a hound dog chased her until she agreed to marry him, AFAICT to get him to quit asking and on with her life.
J R in WV
@OzarkHillbilly:
Yeah, been there. Mrs J can do things in her sleep that lots of folks can’t do wide awake with a coach standing there. Very active, runner, talker, vivid dreams.
Sometimes I wake her up to see what’s going on, and it isn’t really describable, as dreams can be way surreal. I have vivid un-describable dreams too.
Tip on your shoulder, I use pillows of varying stiffness to hold my arm up while lying on my side, it keeps strain from happening if the arm isn’t just hanging from the shoulder. Also a big one between my knees to reduce strain on my lower back, when on my side. AND, do find a truly knowledgeable physical therapist, who knows the Latin names of all the muscles and bones and tendons, and the protocol for your specific surgery and treatment for the recovery from that surgery. Start by asking your surgeon.
Last visit with surgeon I learned that residual pain in my shoulders is from the tendons, which were mentioned in the discussing of x-rays, which described loss of cartilage, bone spurs AND tendinitus. So not pain free, but way less, able to move well, do some work over my head, etc. And sleep on my side again, which for whatever reason is a favorite position. So far, anyway.
Good luck, brother.