Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Dear Washington Post, you are the darkness now.

Decision time: keep arguing about the last election, or try to win the next one?

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

How stupid are these people?

You cannot love your country only when you win.

Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

No one could have predicted…

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

Of course you can have champagne before noon. That’s why orange juice was invented.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

So fucking stupid, and still doing a tremendous amount of damage.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

I would gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today.

Petty moves from a petty man.

“But what about the lurkers?”

It is possible to do the right thing without the promise of a cookie.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

We still have time to mess this up!

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And on the very same day, GOP Leader Ryan once again steps on his own… tongue:

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  2. 2.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    Hey @SpeakerRyan; I’m not a “Progressive”, I’m a Liberal and over time by a variety of metrics Liberalism in practice works better than Conservatism in practice. Wanker!

  3. 3.

    Mustang Bobby

    Ryan:

    The president’s legacy will be showing the country that progressivism in practice just doesn’t work.

    What’s not working, the fastest rise in income since the 1960’s, or the drop in the poverty rate? Discuss.

  13. 13.

    David ?▶️Hillary's Body Double▶️? Koch

    Newly revealed emails hacked from the private account of former Republican secretary of state Colin Powell show the retired four-star general repeatedly blasting Donald Trump, describing him as a “national disgrace” who engaged in a “racist” movement.

    A spokesperson for Colin Powell told ABC tonight that the emails revealed “are accurate,” and declined any further comment.

    ***

    “Yup, the whole birther movement was racist,” Powell wrote. He also said Trump wanted to know if Obama was a Muslim. “As I have said before, ‘What if he was?’ Muslims are born as Americans everyday.”

    In a separate email titled “racism,” Powell writes, “There is a level of intolerance in parts of the Republican Party.”

  15. 15.

    Schlemazel

    Dear Mr. Ryan,
    If we could get another 20 years of these failed policies the nation might just be able to recover from the wildly successful Reagan and Bush years.

    Love and kisses,
    Your Western neighbor

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Last year, the Department of Defense called climate change a “threat multiplier” which could demand greater humanitarian or military intervention and lead to more severe storms that threaten cities and military bases and heightened sea levels that could imperil island and coastal infrastructure. In January, the Pentagon ordered its officials to start incorporating climate change into every major consideration, from weapons testing to preparing troops for war.

    This new focus has not been warmly welcomed by Republicans, with Colorado congressman Ken Buck proposing an amendment that would bar the Pentagon from spending money on adapting to climate change. “When we distract our military with a radical climate change agenda, we detract from their main purpose of defending America from enemies like Isis,” Buck said in July. Meanwhile, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has labeled climate change a “hoax”.

    Yes, because sticking one’s head up one’s ass is the Republican way of dealing with issues.

  26. 26.

    Immanentize

    Hello, All. Another cloudy day in Boston. Hopefully a little rain

    Do you think those Hillbots are manufactured by the military in case of climate change?

  27. 27.

    Kay

    “Benghazi is a stupid witch hunt,” Powell stated in an email last December which he sent to his Secretary of State successor, Condoleezza Rice. Her response: “Completely agree.”

    Stupid witch hunt that was covered by media for years, led by Jake Tapper.

    Was the media coverage deliberately misleading to the public ? They have all this “access”- they didn’t know it was a stupid witch hunt?

    Seems like the “stupid witch hunt” insider analysis of this might be an important perspective to cover on CNN. Tapper was the lead media Benghazi conspiracy theorist. They all followed him.

  28. 28.

    NorthLeft12

    Paul Ryan, ladies and gentlemen, the honourable and honest leader of the congressional Republicans!

    BTW, I have added a new oxymoron to my collection; Moderate Republican.
    It fits right into my list just below “Progressive Conservative” [a real Canadian political party] and just above “meteoric rise”.

  29. 29.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    I read the Newsweek story on the Trumpster. Don’t think the MSM will pick up on it. Nothing sexy in it. Also too complicated for Trumpsters to follow. Sad!

  30. 30.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    @Kay: Rice and Powell are probably thinking about how they caused way more deaths than Hillary’s supposed responsibility for a measly 4 people.

  32. 32.

    Kay

    @Mai.naem.mobile:

    Benghazi wasn’t about the crime, it was about the coverup. Except they never found the coverup or crime so they just insisted there was a crime until people believed there was.

    They still haven’t found the crime. It’s exactly the same as the emails. The investigation itself is now the crime.

  34. 34.

    Kay

    Trip Gabriel ‏@tripgabriel 10h10 hours ago
    ‘False equivalence’ is a legit issue, but mainly it’s a barometer of the left’s anxiety. Just as ‘unskewed polls’ was for the right in 2012

    The problem with this is people don’t have to guess anymore- there will be actual measures of the coverage. It’s already starting. The extent of the coverage of Clinton’s illness can be compared with the extent of the coverage of Trump’s foundation. They spent 10X as much time on Clinton’s health as Trump’s foundation. Fact.

    There will be numbers-ratios- data. It won’t matter because the election will be over but they actually CAN be held to a rough standard of “equal treatment” now. That wasn’t true in the past.

    People can pressure the NYTimes to print something on the Trump Foundation because they can search the site and prove there’s little or no coverage of it. They’re not imagining that. It’s either there or not.

  36. 36.

    comrade scott's agenda of rage

    Ryan is right when he says progressivism can’t work in practice, otherwise we’d have confiscated everybody’s guns and setup FEMA camps. Yet. Another. Obama. Failure.

    /snark

  37. 37.

    Hal

    @Kay:

    Just as ‘unskewed polls’ was for the right in 2012

    Unskewed polls was complete nonsense and had everything to do with certain numbers of Republican voters being incapable of accepting Obama’s legitimacy as President. Trip Gabriel is comparing total statistical nonsense with actual defects in factual reporting. The post mortem the media does on itself after the election should be interesting.

  38. 38.

    debbie

    Unpossible! The Democrat party does not look out for the middle class!

    @Kay:

    If only that information could be in a better news source, it’d kill the GOP.

  39. 39.

    Van Buren

    Dear Mr. Ryan,
    Can you please point to some evidence that conservative economic policy works?
    Asking for 325 million friends.

  40. 40.

    Kay

    @Mai.naem.mobile:

    It’s weird Trump doesn’t have any friends or close business associates. That;s a really bad sign.

    I literally would not hire him to put in a driveway. I wouldn’t risk 10,000 dollars on Donald Trump. I would want someone who has a good reputation.

  44. 44.

    NorthLeft12

    @Kay: To me the more telling statistic is the amount and quality of press coverage of similar issues for the candidates.
    For example; Deadbeat Donald’s foundation versus the Clinton Foundation, or both of their health issues, the “transparency” [gawd, I hate that word. Freaking meaningless] of each candidate, business dealings and income sources and history, legal issues, and finally “likeability” [ugh] of each candidate.

    Just looking at that partial list Deadbeat Donald has got a free pass from the media on all of those, while Sec. Clinton has to answer them again and again and again and we get to see follow up story after follow up story on these issues for years and years.

    You know, the reporters and pundits may wince when they read something like this but this is really a pretty simple showdown between two opposing forces; one that represents charity, compassion, inclusion, tolerance, competence, intelligence, hope, and goodwill. The other represents hate, greed, bigotry, anger, fear, jealousy, intolerance, violence, and ignorance.

    And really, who does not know which side is which?

  46. 46.

    BruceFromOhio

    Economic news: positive!

    The president’s legacy will be showing the country that progressivism in practice just doesn’t work.

    Economic news: negative!

    The president’s legacy will be showing the country that progressivism in practice just doesn’t work.

    Conclude: Like the shitty weather guy that says it’s always raining, Speaker Ryan is irrelevant.

  49. 49.

    Betty Cracker

    @Kay: Watched a little CNN late last night, and they were interviewing some of the small business people Trump has screwed over the years. Better late than never, I guess.

  52. 52.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Kay:

    I literally would not hire him to put in a driveway. I wouldn’t risk 10,000 dollars on Donald Trump. I would want someone who has a good reputation.

    I sure as hell wouldn’t let him babysit.

  53. 53.

    Keith P.

    Maureen Dowd is on MSNBC…I think she’s stoned. She just said covering Donald Trump is like “Who Killed Jessica Rabbit?”

  56. 56.

    satby

    I posted this last night but didn’t get much response so copying here for the hive mind:
    OT but I just had to wade through almost two inches of water in my basement because I didn’t realize the toilet upstairs was running. I had a huge puddle this morning but when I came home on my lunch hour to let the dogs out it had drained down the basement drain. I suspected it was from my shower because that was really the only water I ran, but I wasn’t sure. Anyone have any ideas what it might be? Main drain needs rodding?

    It’s not my water heater I don’t think, the water was cold.
    Edited to add, it’s almost all drained again after no water running last night. I’m not even willing to flush the toilet at this point.

  58. 58.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    @debbie: the article said the hack was recent because it has recent emails, though they could have hacked in a long time a go and just let him go on before disclosing the emails. They say the site that posted them (DChacks) has been associated with russian hackers, though I doubt they originated the leak because the russians gov is pro trump and wouldn’t want to leaks emails calling him a racist by an august member of the Village.

  62. 62.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @satby: Is the suspect bathroom on the first floor? If so it should be fairly easy to find the leak. If it’s on the 2nd floor, you should be seeing water stains on the 1st floor ceiling below it. If you aren’t seeing water stains, that would be indicative of a crack/bad joint in the main stack.

    Best way to get a clue is to have someone flush the toilet a few times while you are in the basement to see where the water is coming from. If that doesn’t show, run the shower for a while.

  69. 69.

    Botsplainer

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I would love for some GOP mouth breather to threaten contempt over the tone of responses and have the person being grilled to say “save your breath, jackass. You’re a contemptible person, I’ll wear that charge proudly.”

  72. 72.

    gene108

    @Hal:

    The post mortem the media does on itself after the election should be interesting

    Not really. The post mortem will be:

    1. We kicked ass and took names
    2. High fives all around

    The media never admits mistakes in their approach to coverage. Never.

  74. 74.

    Betty Cracker

    @satby: We had a minor flood yesterday due to a toilet overflow. This particular toilet does run and has for weeks, but jiggling the handle usually stopped it. Not this time; the drain got clogged, and because the toilet was running, it overflowed. Drain had to be snaked out. Was your toilet running previously?

  75. 75.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @satby: Yes. The only way a roto-rooter guy alone will fix it is if the water is backing up out of the floor drain. (which if you have been having heavy rains is definitely a possibility) See first if you can make the water appear by running one, than the other, and then the sink too just to make sure you cover all the bases. If you don’t have anyone who can help, you can do it by yourself by flushing the toilet a bunch and then going downstairs to see if there is any puddling. If not, then run the shower and go down to see if there is any puddling.

    The advantage to this is all the extra exercise you will get running up and down the stairs. ;-)

    ETA remember, IANAP and I don’t play one on the internet either.

  76. 76.

    Patricia Kayden

    @JPL: The reputation he ruined by lying us into an unnecessary and costly war?

    @low-tech cyclist: Secretary Clinton hit the nail on the head with her “basket of deplorables” speech. And the Deplorables keep jumping up and showing themselves. I hope the “liberal” mainstream media is covering the continued violence at Trump KKK rallies.

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    @Patricia Kayden: I read through the leaked emails, and Powell sounds like a petty, sniping, ass-covering blame-shifter to me. It’s good that he recognizes Trump as a menace, but that’s no great accomplishment — precocious preschoolers and pets also do! And his comments about how he warned Clinton not to use a private server but to use something like AOL (LOL!) as he did was ironic, considering we’re reading HIS hacked emails, not hers.

  81. 81.

    JMG

    @Betty Cracker: You have just described many of the qualities needed to move up the military ladder via “the old Army game.” All this does is spare us the spectacle of cable news making a big deal of his endorsement.

  82. 82.

    gvg

    I am uncomfortable that Powell was hacked and also the news that the DNC was hacked again etc. It worries me that our systems are so insecure. It actually makes Powell’s advice to Clinton to have her own email, suspect since it’s now obviously not secure.
    I was wondering how he could miss the racism, so at least he has some sense. I suspect he didn’t want to appear an easy endorsement for Clinton since he endorsed Obama twice. At this point, I am rather surprised if he still thinks he is a republican, much as it will pain me if he says he is a democrat.
    On the not remembering, I have actually wondered how he is doing mentally. the answer sounded so vague it struck me as real memory issues, but probably he just didn’t want to be dragged into the nutso Benghazi nonsense. Avoiding crazy people is almost a good excuse.

  83. 83.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Betty Cracker:

    Powell sounds like a petty, sniping, ass-covering blame-shifter to me

    Well, he has a lot of blame to shift. I can still picture him dressed up in a suit lifting up vials of what-nots and pointing to charts as he helped to push this country into a completely unjustifiable war against Iraq. I was pleased when he endorsed President Obama twice but he can take several seats now that he has reverted to his lying ways.

  84. 84.

    Kay

    Since it’s been clear for a while that Donald Trump will be hiring his children and installing them in positions of power, does anyone know anything about them?

    Criminal background check? Anything at all? Like Trump himself, none of these people have ever actually applied for a job before, correct? At this point we can be more confident that any random McDonald’s cashier is vetted more thoroughly than Ivanka. Who will be running domestic policy.

  90. 90.

    eclare

    @amk: If I remember right, and god there has been so much on so many issues, if I am wrong, please let me know, FBI Director Comey said “we don’t know if the servers were hacked”. Which of course is a weaselly way of implying that they were, although there is no evidence of that. Clinton rules, doncha know?

  91. 91.

    PPCLI

    @low-tech cyclist: This would be a good time for the press to remind people of the time Trump announced to an open rally that if one of his supporters assaulted a protester, he would pay the legal fees. The problem isn’t just that some deplorables support Trump — every candidate has their embarassments, though Trump does seem to have more of them than most — its that Trump reaches out to and encourages the most deplorable behaviour of his most deplorable supporters.

    It would be good to revive the point Hilary made in her original speech: McCain answered a deranged supporter by calling Obama a patriot and a good family man. Bush went to a mosque right after 9/11. Trump says he will pay the legal fees of violent thugs at his rallies. (Clinton didn’t mention the last one, but we should.)

  92. 92.

    Kay

    @gene108:

    The media never admits mistakes in their approach to coverage. Never.

    This is different though. Every prior modern President had an extensive public record. We know a lot about a governor of California or Georgia or an Illinois Senator, and if we don’t know we can find out.

    Trump is a one-off. He could be elected and something absolutely devastating could be revealed. There will be a government response to that- a federal disclosure law, something along those lines, but media will also be blamed because they simply didn’t point that out- that Trump is the least-vetted Presidential candidate in modern history. That should have been where they started and they didn’t.

    They literally investigated the wrong person – they went after the person with a 40 year public record and did nothing on the person who has revealed nothing. That could happen. It’s an epic screw-up. History-making.

  93. 93.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Why does Obama hate Israel so much?

    The US will will give the Israeli military $38bn over the next decade in what Washington described as the biggest package of military assistance in its history.

    So what’s Bibi got to complain about? Oh yeah:

    Under the new deal, Israel would not be able to solicit extra money from Capitol Hill. In other conditions placed on the new memorandum of understanding, Israel would no longer be allowed to spend over a quarter of the military aid on home-produced weaponry, and would instead be required the full amount on US arms. Nor would it be able to spend any of the aid on fuel for its armed forces.

  94. 94.

    satby

    @Betty Cracker: No, it only got stuck open because I must have yanked the chain too hard (yeah, it’s that old). It was running open for about two full hours, because I couldn’t hear it from the first floor.

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m going to try that after I get home from now that I can go without a flood in the basement. It seems to be coming up from the floor drain, since it’s deepest there and gets shallower as you move away from that area, but the downstairs bath is right in front of that drain too.

    @efgoldman: I don’t seem to have a sump pump at all. But if I did, it would likely go to that same drain anyway I think. It’s the only basement drain.

    Thanks everyone!

  96. 96.

    PPCLI

    @amk: @eclare: There’s no particular reason to think that they have been hacked, apart from the fact that there is a lot of successful hacking going on and she would have been a prime target.

    I don’t think the Clinton campaign wants to make a talking point of “What do you mean, we were careless??? We didn’t get hacked, and seemingly everyone else has been!” because of the non-trivial possibility that Assange or a similar group has a bunch of stuff they hacked from the Clinton servers and are holding on to it as an October surprise. If they made a big deal about the security of their servers, it would make the subsequent leaks even worse news for them. It’s smart to be careful here.

  97. 97.

    Micheline

    @Kay: Kay, have you seen the latest Bloomberg poll where Trump is up 5 points. The pol is based on the 2004 turnout model. Basically the Republicans will have a higher turnout than the Democrats.

  98. 98.

    PPCLI

    @JMG: Naw, they’ll repeal all laws pertaining to information about Republicans. Disclosure of information about Democratic figures will be mandatory, and their emails required by law to be cc:ed directly to Fox News.

    If Trump is pres, and the Republicans hold both houses of congress, look for a lot of IOKIYAR laws.

  99. 99.

    NorthLeft12

    @OzarkHillbilly: Anybody’s daughter.

    I [and a lot of other Canadians] are still in denial that Deadbeat Donald is even a serious candidate for President. I’ll say one thing, his candidacy gives hope to all the greedy and ignorant bigots in the world that they too can be a success even while being odious human beings.

  100. 100.

    Kay

    @gene108:

    There’s a lot of ways to look at it, but use a job interview. One applicant has an extensive work history and happens to work in a sector where her every move is covered and there’s also an extensive paper trail. She’s in her 60’s so you have whole rooms full of information. In the course of that you find some stuff that is less than flattering. The other applicant doesn’t fill out the application and won’t sign the waiver to get docs. From this you conclude that the applicant with the extensive record has the competency/transparency problem and the other applicant is both qualified and clean? That’s insane. Yet that’s what they did. They had it wrong from the start.

  101. 101.

    rikyrah

    @Kay:

    I literally would not hire him to put in a driveway. I wouldn’t risk 10,000 dollars on Donald Trump. I would want someone who has a good reputation.

    If his business was on Yelp, it would get no positive reviews.

  102. 102.

    bemused

    @low-tech cyclist:

    A 72 year old white male raging crabass slugs a 69 year old woman. What a brave tough guy. I wonder if he has a morning coffee klatch group he meets with to bitch about what’s wrong with the world today as so many retired guys do and if his coffee pals will hale him as a hero for punching a woman or think he went too far. Most likely the former considering his senior peers in SC are probably Trump addicts too.

  103. 103.

    Percysowner

    For anyone interested Vox has an interview with Jill Stein on her positions on the issues. It’s interesting. She’s very, very naive about so many things, IMHO. She’d be better than Trump as President, but not by much, IMHO.

  104. 104.

    Kay

    @Micheline:

    I don’t know- they seem enthusiastic to me but it’s of course anecdotal. We ran out of signs and bumperstickers on Tuesday of a M-Sat booth run. That’s all I know :)

    They’re screaming for signs.

  105. 105.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @satby: At the very least your floor drain does need to be snaked. It should not take that long for things to drain out.

    since it’s deepest there and gets shallower as you move away from that area,

    That’s because your basement floor is poured that way (water runs downhill)

  106. 106.

    Kay

    @rikyrah:

    I don’t even know what his business is. Did you know there was once a Trump magazine? They didn’t pay the electric bill. The employees sat around in the dark and the whole Trump family had fled. That actually happened.

  107. 107.

    satby

    @OzarkHillbilly: I knew it was sloped that way, but it seemed like it was the source too, all the water spread out from there. But it had been running for quite a while, and the bath down there is right in front. So it could be from the stack.

    Just what I don’t need right now! But then, no one ever needs a plumbing catastrophe.

  108. 108.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    @rikyrah: it’s about Trumps business dealings with different people all around the world and how it would affect his policies towards those countries because of the deals.

  109. 109.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @satby: Seeing as you just bought this place, it is possible the previous owners did not disclose an existing problem and you might be able to recoup the cost. Emphasis on the ‘might’.

  110. 110.

    burnspbesq

    @NorthLeft12:

    BTW, I have added a new oxymoron to my collection; Moderate Republican.

    You must be young. Some of us are old enough to remember a time before liberal Republicans were hunted into extinction.

  112. 112.

    Miss Bianca

    @OzarkHillbilly: Actually, sticking one’s head up one’s ass is not just the general Republican way, it’s specifically Ken Buck’s way of dealing with issues. When I think that that asshat came within a whisker of upsetting Michael Bennet for the Senate last election, it makes me shudder.

  115. 115.

    rikyrah

    @Kay:

    Since it’s been clear for a while that Donald Trump will be hiring his children and installing them in positions of power, does anyone know anything about them?

    Criminal background check? Anything at all? Like Trump himself, none of these people have ever actually applied for a job before, correct? At this point we can be more confident that any random McDonald’s cashier is vetted more thoroughly than Ivanka. Who will be running domestic policy.

    Kay,

    I love you.
    You are just so smart, and the exasperation I feel from your writing..

    YOU….ME…

    just.like.this.

    Keep on, Kay. Keep on.

  116. 116.

    ruemara

    @Percysowner: Jill Stein can sit her ignorant ass and that 20 ton ego of hers, the fuck down. I’m tired of her vanity. Trump has a 50/50 chance of being president; she has none. Just like her track record of progressive victories. This is the most attention she’s gotten in years, at a time when anyone with a shred of decency should be committed to defeating Trump. What are the die-hard Greens doing? Crying angry tears over the stupid electorate who won’t give their mediocre white woman the most powerful seat in the nation and furious that people are asking them to “vote for their enemy”. Who’s their enemy? Democrats. Yeah, fuck Stein.

  119. 119.

    John D

    @gvg:

    It worries me that our systems are so insecure.

    Is it connected to the internet?

    If the answer is yes, it is insecure. And I say that as a guy with 30 years maintaining servers, including email ones. We hear about most of the vulnerabilities AFTER they have been exploited. Never, ever, ever assume something you have committed electronically will remain hidden. We even have working demonstrations of hacks of air-gapped (meaning, unconnected to any network) computers, reading heat, sound of fans, or RF emissions directly, though that usually requires physical access to the target to achieve. Stuxnet shows us that is not an insurmountable problem, though.

    All you can do is make it as hard as possible to hack, and not retain information in perpetuity.

  120. 120.

    gene108

    @Kay:

    They will not admit they are wrong.

    They may correct a typo or something in an article, like say someone typed in “Remebering 6/11 15 years later” instead of 9/11.

    Otherwise they feel their methods and the results of their methods are sound.

    DougJ linked to the NY Times editor’s defense of their campaign coverage yesterday.

    They will not admit they took the wrong approach. You can throw all the facts you want at them, they do not care.

    Edit: I do not disagree with you. Just pointing out to those, who think the media will objectively critique their coverage this election season should not hold their breath.

  121. 121.

    comrade scott's agenda of rage

    @ruemara:

    The Green Party can always be counted on to do what’s best for the GOP.

    I stole that quote from somewhere, probably here.

  122. 122.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Micheline: In 2004, Bush was the incumbent President, still running on war fever and the fumes of 9/11, the electorate was whiter than today, and the impending menace of gay marriage was central to the Republican pitch. It seems odd to use that turnout model for a 2016 election.

    (But the better thing to do is to look at poll aggregates instead of just the latest poll that is scary.)

  127. 127.

    NorthLeft12

    @burnspbesq: No, I am not young [unless you think 58 is young] and as I said, this is a new oxymoron for my list.

    But to be honest, outside of Lowell Weicker, I don’t believe there was more than one other “liberal” Republican. Please name them, if there were.

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