Dave Weigel makes a decent point:
Gaslighting black Democrats into thinking Hillary started birtherism would make more sense if, you know, Obama wasn't around to contradict.
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) September 16, 2016
A mildly encouraging development: Almost all of the mainstream media stories I’ve seen on Trump’s 90-minute infomercial / 30-second birther statement have noted that he’s lying when he says Hillary Clinton started it. Some even call the claim “false” or “lies” right in the headline.
Open thread!
ETA: Tell it, Hillz!
When Trump tries to deflect blame for denying that @POTUS was born in America, he is lying. https://t.co/lje3lKrZQy pic.twitter.com/yq9IWnvXUc
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) September 16, 2016
Yutsano
Is our press corps learning?
Tokyokie
But mom, she started it! Why do you always blame me?
Trentrunner
In all this, what’s lost is Trump’s CYNICISM: Trump is “reversing” ONLY to try to win back suburban women and get some millennials’ votes.
It’s not like he got any new information last night or last week.
Xantar
NPR didn’t note that in their headline, though.
The most encouraging thought I’ve had recently is that after the week Hillary has just had, the media is probably going to start hounding Trump just for variety and because they love creating dramatic ups and downs.
Elmo
Taegan Goddard just tweeted that undecided voters are breaking to Trump. I will be out on the ledge with a bottle of vodka if anyone needs me.
Trentrunner
@Yutsano: Yes, at least at the moment. I haven’t checked FoxNews, but everyone else is pissed off.
BR
It’s not just black democrats. Basically all non-racist non-crazy people (everyone except the famed 27%) found it offensive.
Nina
@Elmo: stay off that ledge. Hillary is within 1% in Texas. Texas. Let that sink in, and know everything will be fine. As long as you volunteer for one extra session of phone banking or door knocking.
schrodinger's cat
Can NYT be more useless
Their headline: Obama was Born in the United States. Period.
Elizabelle
@Elmo: I don’t know that I believe that.
Unless the “undecideds” are Republicans who do not want to identify themselves as such, coming home.
It’s scary how much “burn it down” sentiment is out there. Fomented by, and maybe benefiting, the Republican Party of No.
schrodinger's cat
@Elmo: They are not undecided, they are Republican, just ashamed of the brand.
joel hanes
@Elmo:
undecided voters are breaking to Trump
Both of them ?
ETA : In place of taking up vodka, I recommend dropping Twitter.
waspuppet
Not only is “Hillary started birtherism” a lie, but I honestly don’t understand how, even if it were true, that’s supposed to help anything.
@Trentrunner: Yeah, because white suburban women are gonna be TOTALLY receptive to the notion that Hillary is a big ol’ racist.
geg6
@schrodinger’s cat:
They have been in the tank for Trump from the start. I couldn’t possibly lose any more respect over them than I already have. My basket of respect for them was empty back in 2002.
And the only reason the Trump campaign reporters are finally telling some truths is that he fucked them last night and again today. But by tomorrow, they’ll be back again to say thank you sir may I have another. I hate them all.
NR
@Elmo: Hillary Clinton has to be the worst major-party presidential candidate in the last 50 years at least. Worse than Mondale. Worse than McGovern.
Elizabelle
@schrodinger’s cat: I saw that.
Some Times executive is insisting on this biased coverage. Why is that? Maybe it’s not just revenues, or tax treatment. Maybe it’s something coming to the Supreme Court, or federal courts, and this executive, or cartel of NY Times executives, wants a thumb on the scale.
Is anyone seriously investigating the Times? They have got to be alienating their reader base. You can see it in the comments sections.
Because Patrick Healy and Amy Chozick are not just running around creating havoc on their own. They’re being enabled.
Politico has colonized the NY Times too. (Jonathan Martin, Republican whisperer. But Healy and Chozick are the standout asshats this cycle.)
Elizabelle
@NR: Fuck off.
burnspbesq
Post-racial America may be a myth, but Trump proves every day that post-factual America is A Thing.
Miss Bianca
OK, completely o/t, but as a fan of what a stone-cold fox young (and older!) Teddy Roosevelt was, I thought this was funny.
Also, too, Trump will NEVER make this list. And “Birther Control” is an awesome title.
Trentrunner
@waspuppet: Good point. I’m not saying Trump & Co. have thought this through, LOL. I think Conway’s just trying to play the shitty, shitty hand she’s been dealt.
bystander
If they have their way, they will turn the whole country into Kansas. Feel the Brawndo!
catclub
That is a pretty good headline.
Humdog
NotRight here to remind us that Hillary is a better candidate than Bernie!
Kay
I know this gets beat to death, but now it’s Nate Silver noticing the NYTimes coverage:
Something is going on there. I have no idea what it is, but they should find why they seem to be in the tank for Donald Trump. It’a partly the headlines, and I don’t think reporters write headlines.
catclub
@Trentrunner:
That should be long term good news. Clinton getting even treatment is all she needs.
Betty Cracker
@NR: She sure kicked Bernie’s ass, though!
Enhanced Voting Techinques
The media companies live and die by add revenue and Trump just showed the world how to get it for free from them. This will be intresting to see how this turns out because even a conservative wingnut exec at the end of the day loves his paycheck.
gwangung
@Elizabelle:
Pretty much it. And we’ve long known that more moderate Republicans have been hiding under the Independent/undecided label for a long time.
Miss Bianca
@Humdog: Man, whatever his handlers are paying NimRod to troll us here is waayyyy too much. Wonder when they’re going to pull the plug on his funding.
@Betty Cracker: So I guess that makes Bernie Sanders the worst Democratic contender in…oh, 75 years? 100?
BR
@Kay:
Maybe Maureen Dowd writes the headlines?
Kay
@NR:
People keep saying this but she beat Bernie Sanders. Soundly. That makes him worst than the worst, right? There were two choices- Bernie Sanders and the candidate who beat Bernie Sanders.
Kay
@BR:
Hah! But they don’t write headlines. Do they? I don’t blame them for the headlines.
Hal
Remind me; this is the Trump who sent investigators to Hawaii? The investigators who found things, big things, stunning things about Obama, so much so that Trump did not believe he was a US citizen or legit President, correct? I don’t think the term sociopath should be used loosely but it’s impossible at this point for me to think of Trump in any other way.
Pogonip
@Elmo: Come on back in. The political class hates Trump. Even if every single eligible voter voted for him, the electoral college would still go ahead and elect Hillary.
SiubhanDuinne
Even the loathesome Chris Cillizza seems to be tiring of Trump’s shenanigans. Although there’s a hint of grudging admiration, so maybe not.
Amir Khalid
@Kay:
I think copy editors write headlines. At least, they did at the newspaper where I worked. I wouldn’t trust Maureen Dowd enough to put her on the copy desk, let alone write headlines
jonas
I really hope someone asks Trump about the crack team of detectives he claims he sent to Hawaii back in 2012 who were finding “unbelievable” stuff out about Obama. Where are those guys? Can we talk to them?
ETA: whoops, or what Hal said upthread.
burnspbesq
This popped up in my facebook feed a few minutes ago. No links, but I consider the source to be reliable.
Frankensteinbeck
@gwangung:
The funny thing is, the studies suggest the ‘independents’ are mostly the Republicans *too conservative* to be willing to call themselves Republican. They’re actually the most partisan voters of all!
Bob2
@srv: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
catclub
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
And if they start thinking that Trump should have PAID THEM for that free advertising for his hotel, that he got from them for free, they might get revenge.
Trentrunner
I believe Hillary has nearly zero fucks left to give. Via Twitter just now:
Villago Delenda Est
@NR: HODOR!
waspuppet
@Kay: No, no reporter writes their headlines. They may write prompt headlines, but they don’t know — can’t know — how long or how many lines the paper hed is going to be.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@burnspbesq: TPM is reporting this. Link.
catclub
@jonas: Yep, this is one of a list that of questions that Kevin Drum keeps updating.
Have you allowed open carry in all you golf courses? is another one that Trump has promised.
SiubhanDuinne
Wow, NPR is growing a pair!
Quoted Donald’s birther sentences, then said, in VERY authoritative tones, “That. Assertion. Is. False.”
Villago Delenda Est
@srv: HODOR!
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Felonius Monk
@BR:
C’mon. MoDo has trouble writing her own name let alone the drek she calls a column. Headlines are beyond her.
WaterGirl
@schrodinger’s cat: Please tell me that is snark because if it’s not, that’s really depressing. Like it’s not so until Donald Trump says it’s so? ugh.
bmoak
Re-posted and edited from a post at the end of a thread a few nights ago:
Just for kicks, and to re-visit Cole’s epic freakout, I went back and looked in the archives for the reaction threads from after the first Obama-Romney debate in 2012 and in a few other threads from that time period. Three guesses who was spraying all over them saying Obama’s poor campaigning, low popularity, and horrible neoliberal policies plus Romney’s surge in the polls would cost Obama the election and the Democratic Party made a big mistake in not primarying him from the left, as the left was going to stay home or vote third party.
Although this principled progressive acknowledged that a Romney-Ryan win would be disastrous for the country, they absolutely refused to pull the lever for Obama and would instead vote for Gary Johnson, the only candidate pure enough for their precious, precious vote.
Kay
@Trentrunner:
I’m glad she’s saying that because that’s what enrages me. That’s what “otherism” is- it’s people who think they are judge and jury of who gets in the group. That’s the part that’s right below the surface- it’s his assumption that he decides. He has to believe he’s “in” or he wouldn’t do it.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Birtherism of a Nation
There is no longer any reason to cover this campaign as anything but a truthless danger to the American republic.
Major Major Major Major
The bad news: today is six months since Garland was nominated.
The good news: Scalia’s still dead.
Betty Cracker
@bmoak: Haha, what a surprise. You wouldn’t happen to have a link handy, would you?
SenyorDave
First line of @catclub: Trump Lies in Walking Back His Birther Lies
U.S. News & World Report – 7 minutes ago
First paragraph of the story, and this is written by a managing editor, is:
If Donald Trump is talking, Donald Trump is lying. He lied – lied – in asserting Friday that Hillary Clinton started the birther movement of which he was the highest profile member. He didn’t apologize for leading a racist witch-hunt and shouldn’t be permitted to so quickly and mendaciously elide what for years was his signature political issue.
He’s basically calling Trump a pathological liar
BruceFromOhio
Dumpster fire just took another giant, steaming piss right in the face of everyone paying attention to this ferret circus. Trading the birther vote for … what, exactly? Harder clapping by the choir, it seems.
Gaia, I thought 2008 and McCain Palin was bad. ’12 and the Mittster was a fucking dream vacation compared to ‘aught-eight. ’16 is starting to feel like a dose of the clap; it might have been fun at the beginning, now it’s just painful and embarassing.
Poopyman
@Elmo:
That might sound a little more dramatic if you weren’t on the first floor. Also too, what everyone else said, i.e, it’s bullshit.
eric
@waspuppet: apropos of nothing, but the NYT was hacked by the Russians…………..
slowly walks away
MomSense
Michelle Obama is hitting the campaign trail today. All I can say is Hallelujah. If anyone can break through this vile Trump crap it is FLOTUS.
Shell
The more comfortable reporters get saying the words ‘liar’ and ‘lying’, the better.
SiubhanDuinne
@burnspbesq:
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:
That is a really good catch!
West of the Cascades
Second story on NYT now titled “Unwinding a Lie: Donald Trump and Birtherism”
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Yutsano:
The only satisfying thing about a Trump presidency would be the televised executions of our elite national press members.
I’ll spring for a plaque done by a cheap woodburning pen to hang over their mass grave. The inscription?
Kay
This is what Clinton is talking about:
They don’t see anything wrong with that- the assumption is Trump is in a place to “say” where Obama was born.
That’s where it starts. Trump never had that authority, and he doesn’t get it just by being a celebrity white person. They hand him the initial ground he occupies, and he doesn’t belong there.
SiubhanDuinne
@Shell:
Yes, and we’re seeing it in numbers today that we haven’t previously. I’m allowing myself to feel a mite encouraged.
Bill
@Nina: What poll are you looking at? The RCP average has Trump + 7.5 in Texas. The closes poll I could find had him up 6.
MomSense
@eric:
It would be irresponsiblenot to speculate.
different-church-lady
I’m assuming it’s my general level of despair talking, but what on earth makes anyone think the press calling Trump a liar will have a negative impact on his campaign?
waspuppet
@Kay: Martin Longman at the Washington Monthly (I think it was) has what i think is the most accurate (or at least, the least nefarious) reading: They all think Hillary’s gonna win anyway. So they’re treating her like she’s president already. They did the same thing to Al Gore.
It’s something they have to examine themselves. I told a reporter over Twitter who was complaining “But we DO write negative stories about Trump!” that that may be true, but the idea that Clinton and Trump are equally dishonest is, by any even remotely objective look at the facts, laughably false. Yet after more than a year of coverage by our biggest media institutions, that’s what most people think. So if your goal is to inform people about the world around them, you’ve failed. (No response of course.)
Charlie Pierce (I think it was) said if you had facts you’d lead with them, so if you’re leading with “echoes” and “patterns” and “perceptions” it’s because you don’t have any facts. Why multimillionaire TV pundits and high-profile reporters can get away with a standard that the guy doing night cop checks in Ottumwa couldn’t get away with is another question.
And it has to do with what they consider “a pattern.” Trump has told dozens if not hundreds of lies in this campaign, and some of them have been covered, but I have never once heard anyone saying or writing that this or that falsehood “plays into a pattern of lying” (or even of “stretching the truth,” if they insist on that euphemism). Similarly, after 25 years of baseless charges against both Clintons, Republicans have never, ever, ever been described as engaging in “a pattern of false accusations.”
Peale
@waspuppet: If she actually thought that Obama wasn’t eligible to be President, I’m pretty sure she would have brought it up. I mean, she does want to be President and I very much doubt in 2008 she wouldn’t have been beyond trying to disqualify him on a “technicality” if she could. (Actually, it wouldn’t have really been a technicality!) So even if her campaign did look into it (and there’s no evidence that she or her staff did), the they would have found that he was indeed a citizen and dropped it. Because, you see, they aren’t going to run against someone solely because one of their parents was here on a visa.
There was another strain of birthism that should be brought up. Beyond just the “he was secretly born in Kenya”, there was a popular legal rumor that in 1960 whatever when he was born that a child was a citizen only if the father was a citizen. I think that was just as bad as not accepting his “short form” birth certificate.
Elizabelle
@Trentrunner: Refreshing to see “Trump” and “asinine” in the same twitter.
Moar of this, please.
different-church-lady
@waspuppet: The problem with Trump’s lies is they don’t form a “pattern” — they form a solid block of color. There’s nothing else on the wall.
hovercraft
We are all going to die, these really are the end of days.
lurker one
My hope is many Trump supporters are turned off by him admitting Obama is an American. They might view it as betrayal.
catclub
@SenyorDave: wow. I did not actually read the article. That is strong!
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
Start tweeting to business 4 star and resort 4 and 5 star properties about how CNN just handed Donald Trump a huge freebie.
MCA1
Well, this is it. The moment of truth. Today is the day that determines just how dead our national political press is. Is it just mostly dead, or well and truly dead? The gauntlet has been laid, they’ve been punched in the face and dared to punch back while the other guy stands there pissing on them as they lay on the ground. If they can’t turn on him now, they never will. Call a f’ing spade a spade and start asking questions until he answers and then ask the appropriate followup questions and report the responses as the worthless, condescending, fact-free dissembling bullshit that they are. Set a goddamned narrative about this guy and run wild with it.
I’m not terribly optimistic, fwiw. [I’m still optimistic about GOTV and ground game beating the horserace and both sides’ism, and that enough people who will vote in November are irrevocably turned off of Drumpf, just not that the media will ever get its head out of its rear]
Elmo
@Poopyman:
Okay, that was funny.
Brachiator
@catclub:
MSNBC.
Damn. Trump stepped into it today.
I’m a fleabit peanut monkey
And all my friends are junkies
That’s not really true
— Monkey Man
schrodinger's cat
@WaterGirl: Not snark. NYT is scared of Trump.
Kay
@waspuppet:
I;m fine with all these theories but here’s a fact. The NYTimes did a long piece on Trump’s business interests in August. They themselves used the word “opaque” and they themselves said what they found didn’t comport with what Trump has said and the one disclosure record he produced.
They never followed up. The piece ran and there was never any mention again of anything they raised in it.
That’s inexplicable to me. It was incredibly fertile ground for follow up. They have done nothing. Why?
Miss Bianca
Paging Mnemosyne, paging Mnemosyne: My copy of the “Hamilton” cast recording has just come in at the library. I’m picking it up today. That is all, thank you!
Walker
@Elizabelle:
That is exactly what they are and this is exactly what is happening here.
Frankensteinbeck
@bmoak:
And in-between times, NR has shown up occasionally to divert threads about Obama doing something great with asinine bitching. There are people whose only role here is to do that. NR is one of them.
Elizabelle
NY Times reader comment, from “Regina”
Charity, get it in cash. Upfront.
[Yesh, I still have my NY Times sub. And I am embarrassed about that.]
catclub
@waspuppet:
Things may be looking up. Senyor Dave read the USNews article where I only read the headline.
MomSense
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
I think I’m going to tweet how tacky that hotel looked. There was a neon pink light stripe that ran around the outside of the ceiling. Did he have a leftover cas ino light he wanted to re use?
Kay
@waspuppet:
This is the comparison for me. I live in a small town and lawyers gossip. So we talk about who is getting indicted but we also talk about it when there ISN’T an indictment and it seems hinky- like they dropped it for reasons other than merit.
We say “did they investigate, did they find anything, I wonder why they dropped it?” That’s what it’s like for me with the NYTimes dropping the Trump business interest story. I want to know why they didn’t pursue anything in the story.
Frankensteinbeck
@Elizabelle:
Yeah, seriously. Scamming charities is Trump’s SPECIALTY.
MCA1
@srv: Hey, fucknutz, remind me which President appointed Clinton Sec’y of State? Right.
Pogonip
@Elmo: Yes, it was. Now please pass the booze back in.
EllenH
@Elizabelle: Yes, he did and David Fahrenthold of the Post has tweeted his email to the Trump campaign spox asking if he will fulfill his promise!
Villago Delenda Est
@waspuppet:
Of course, that is not their goal. Their goal is to sell papers, to get ratings, to generate clicks. Nothing else matters.
Michael Bersin
@Elizabelle:
See also Connoly, Ceci; Seelye, Kit; Gore, Al; Village, The (2000)
Elizabelle
@Kay: What do you think explains the Times coverage? Why are we getting crap stories from Patrick Healy and Amy Chozick, with misleading headlines? It’s glaring.
Aren’t advertisers businesspeople who relish stability and a well-functioning economy? (And a newspaper that keeps its subscribers?)
Which executive or group of execs has forced this change, and why?
Is this about the Supreme Court?
It can’t be as simple as someone having evidence of the Sulzbergers with goats or underage children. But it would be irresponsible not to speculate.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
I subscribe to both NYT and WaPo, and I’m not embarrassed. For all the dismaying coverage of politics, the entrenched bothsiderism, and most of the regular op-ed columnists, I still get enough of value that I’m unwilling to limit my access to 10 articles a month. I realize I’m in the minority here.
scav
@hovercraft: That reminds me exactly of the woman I heard in the ICU waiting room going on and on about how she preferred a specific translation of the Bible specific translation of the bible because it was so unambiguous. The desire to turn off al but autonomic brain functioning and live passively in a world of hard-line brightly colored givens in comfortable uniformity of appearance is strong.
Villago Delenda Est
@Kay: The Horse Race Narrative. It is sacred. Also, Hillary Clinton, like her husband, is Satan made manifest on these shores.
Poopyman
@Elmo: XOXO
JenBob
Dave Weigel is such a bad person. He was forced to resign from WaPo. Even *they* couldn’t justify his bullshit.
Villago Delenda Est
@SiubhanDuinne: I read “bothsiderism” as “Broderism.”
Tokyokie
@Kay: The copy desk (or online desk) writes the headlines, along with the photo cutlines and anything else that may be appended to the story.
Brachiator
From the US News article
Typical Trump, to always place himself at the center of a phony controversy that he himself started. But this time he was called out on it.
And this is with his new band of expert political strategists. They have got to be scrambling now to come up with something positive for the Sunday news shows.
scav
@Elizabelle: Stability is old-hat economics, they’ve learned they can earn as much from the churn of volatility and short-term bucks are worth more. They’ve made millions from driving companies into the ground, why not economies and nations? Slash and Burn.
Frankensteinbeck
@Villago Delenda Est:
I really think their goal is to pat themselves on the back about what geniuses they are. Selling papers is only the #2 priority.
Elizabelle
@SiubhanDuinne: I love the NYT archives.
But something is grossly wrong with the Times’ political coverage this year, and I want to know why it is happening. And I want them to stop it.
Because you and I have subscriptions, but most people stop at the paywall. So they just see the shyster headlines and unrepresentative blurbs.
Poopyman
@Frankensteinbeck: Well I love to see someone who’s conscientious about doing their job, no matter how small the salary.
schrodinger's cat
If you install a javascript blocker you can read as many NYT articles you want without subscription.
Calouste
Funny diary (with pictures) at the Great Orange Satan Busted! The new Trump hotel in D.C. hotel is filled top-to-bottom with goods made in China
I guess we are all shocked, shocked! about this.
hovercraft
@burnspbesq:
Shocking, I’m just shocked that he is a Trumpeter.
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: To be fair, Drumpf did not start the birtherism movement. He simply rode it to the GOP nomination.
No, birtherism is yet another thing born in the toxic waste dump that is the wingnutosphere. First time I heard about it was Paulistas screaming about how John McCain was not a “natural born citizen” because he was born in a US military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, where his father, a serving naval officer, was stationed.
West of the Cascades
The Times, maybe they are a’changing? Top story + headline now at NYT.com:
Unwinding a Lie: Trump’s Long Embrace of Birtherism
By MICHAEL BARBARO 12:32 PM ET
It took Donald J. Trump five years, but on Friday he surrendered to reality after a remarkable campaign of relentless deception to undermine President Obama.
The essential question — why promote a lie? — may be unanswerable. It might not matter. He kept doing it.
Elizabelle
@scav: Good point. Thinking of Naomi Klein and Disaster Capitalism.
Caught a Simpsons episode the other night. Grandpa (Abe) Simpson said that newspapers were the only thing with a life expectancy shorter than his.
Elizabelle
@schrodinger’s cat: Ms. Cat: I thank you daily for getting me started with Adblocker.
Do you know how I use that with an iPad? Or with a new MacBook? I iz one nontechnical cat. Thank you!
MomSense
@Elizabelle:
Why couldn’t it be something as simple as someone or some entity having the goods on the Sulzbergers? Remember how embarrassed Sony was when their emails were released? Now imagine a family and newspaper that has spent decades trading in information, informers, and secrets.
PPCLI
@burnspbesq:
Not just any birther — A birther so hard core that he argued, in a sworn affidavit (i.e. not just drunken poker-game chatter) that it was justified for a soldier to refuse a deployment order to combat because of birtherism. I’m no lawyer, but isn’t this sedition? (I know words like “treason” get thrown around loosely. I’m not speaking loosely. Isn’t this almost textbook sedition? By a Lieutenant General (ret.)?)
If this is true, it needs to get more play. That guy has to be asked some questions about that affidavit. I have a feeling the answers will be interesting….
Kay
@Elizabelle:
I don’t know but I feel like they have to address it. So we had a member of the school board steal funds for a computer from school money (that was the lawyer gossip). When he wasn’t indicted after what we believed to be an investigation people asked if it was because of his last name. That’s a legit question! They answered because it’s a legit question. They said they didn’t have enough to charge. Okay. Case closed.
I think it’s a legit question to ask why the NYTimes didn’t pursue their own “Donald Trump’s opaque tangle of business interests” story that they published in August. Was there nothing there? Nothing more to say about it? Really? His incredibly complex business interests are one and done? Remember- these are the same people who did exhaustive months long investigations into Clinton’s emails. It feels wrong.
Villago Delenda Est
@Elizabelle: The thing with AdBlocker is that it is needed not to avoid necessarily the ads, but the idiotic, bandwidth and CPU cycle way that they are presented. The ads make a lot of sites unreadable for the content. Every time some site begs me NOT to use an ad blocker, I’m tempted to email them and tell them that their site is useless with the hacktacular ads it has.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
Somewhat OT, but related to Trump’s supporters; Sully is their favorite movie. Link
Peale
@Walker: As I wrote last thread, for some reason Democrat undecideds always shift back home late. They do it every cycle. So when the Democrat is behind, like Gore was in 2000 or Kerry in 2004, it looks like he’s caught fire in the last weeks. No need for her to go duck hunting to reset her campaign. She needs to get her contact folks contacting these Democrat leaning undecideds.
Poopyman
@Calouste: WHAAAAT? I thought all the cheap shit would be made in Russia!
Villago Delenda Est
@Kay:
And could not find anything. But still kept investigating, hoping that they might find a damning undotted i or uncrossed t to proclaim to be a scandal of Watergate proportions.
PPCLI
@Xantar: True, but in the 1:00 news Lakshmi Singh’s third or fourth sentence was to quote the bit about “Hilary started it, I finished it.” and then she followed it immediately with “This assertion is false.” No weaseling or qualification.
Trump has shaken even NPR out of their pathological “Earth flat or round? Opinions differ.” ism, which is something I thought I would never see.
SFAW
@NR:
Delete Your Self.
Bex
@Miss Bianca: @Miss Bianca: Watch for the PBS documentary on “Hamilton” Oct. 21 on PBS.
Aleta
At this point the biographical movie can emulate Citizen Kane, full screen headline after headline.
Meanwhile Trump is pivoting–more like churning– to run hard against the media.
Elizabelle
@Kay: It’s a very legitimate question.
God forbid they’re holding the big expose for just before the election, in this day of early voting in many states.
Or, worse, someone at the top called it out.
Wouldn’t you think other journalists are even more curious than we are, about what the fuck is going on at the NY Times?
Villago Delenda Est
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: It’s a pity that Eastwood’s distinguished career has been sullied (I swear, no pun intended!) by such a hacktacular final few years of output.
Eric U.
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: they have to get HRC to spend more money because they aren’t getting it from Trump. If it was a blowout, she probably wouldn’t be buying as much advertising.
Ellen R
@Elizabelle: The NYT sold a good portion of themselves to the billionaire who “owns” the telephone and internet infrastructure in Mexico. This must have consequences.
Peale
@Kay: And honestly, who really cares if they hound him about that issue. Really. Is Obama running? No? Is the issue of whether Obama is eligible for office an issue? No. I don’t think anyone who is thinking “meh, both sides are so awful I’m just staying home” is going to be swayed to get out in November because of Birtherism or whether he believes himself when he says it or not. Those leaners who didn’t get the “racist” angle until just today are few and far between.
hovercraft
@Elizabelle:
They hired too many hacks from Politico, because of their stellar record of covering the nitty gritty of politics.
Feebog
Trump stepped in it for several reasons. First, it is early enough in the day to make all the major news outlets for tonight’s broadcast. Second, he started with an outrageous infomercial for his new hotel, which pissed off the MSM. Third, he telegraphed his punch, the press anticipated and was ready for his lies and are already calling him on it. Fourth, this is going to be a big story on the talking head circuit Sunday, stepping all over the Clinton health issue and the already dying baskets of deplorables comment. He. just. can’t. help. himself.
Iowa Old Lady
@schrodinger’s cat: The maddening thing about that headline is that it’s not even news. Of course Obama was born in the US. The news here is that Trump both acknowledged it and lied by blaming actions WE ALL SAW HIM TAKE on Clinton. I was driving around when the 11:00 news came on NPR this morning and the first sentence was something like after years of claiming President Obama was not born in the US, Trump falsely accused Hillary Clinton of starting the birther movement.
PVDMichael
Someone remind me… were the PUMAs birthers? I can’t remember.
Brachiator
@Villago Delenda Est:
I didn’t say that Trump started the birther movement. I said he placed himself in the center of it. With his celebrity businessman status, he lent this fetid crap a certain legitimacy among some and damaged the country simply by keeping this nonsense bullshit alive.
It was born of racial anxiety. It arose in embers on conspiracy talk radio, you know, where the alien invasion stuff is kept vivid, and was soon grabbed like a security blanket by weak minded fools desperately searching for a reason to reject the idea of Obama as a legitimate presidential candidate. The GOP political mainstream tolerated it, fed it, mixed it with the “he’s a Muslim” bullshit and exploited it for political benefit.
Early on, Trump had no rational reason to wade into this swamp. For some reason, Obama’s existence seemed to offend Trump. So he not only clamped onto the birther stuff, but also suggested that Obama’s college records were also phony, that the truth would not only disclose Obama’s foreign origins, but also his real “lack” of intellectual distinction, and his inferiority to a man like Trump.
Trump cannot blithely walk away from this. He is covered in the shit of birtherism. He cannot wash either the stain or the stink away.
Weaselone
@Aleta:
His campaign might figure that he’s reached his ceiling and these are the best odds he’s going to get so they’re trying to lock them in by neutralizing the media.
Mai.naem.mobile
@Elmo: Dude, at least make it tequila and not Russian vodka!
SFAW
@West of the Cascades:
Bullshit. He just said what he thought he needed to say to counter flak he was getting from various corners.
Does he believe that Obama was born in the US? Who cares? Does it matter? He presented as a birther for five years, had plenty of time to adopt a different “persona,” but didn’t He’s still a birther; in much the same way that Rethugs mouth things about “equality” and “country before party,” he doesn’t believe what he said today.
Epiphanies don’t come to total fucking assholes like Corrupt Deadbeat Donnie.
Matt McIrvin
@Peale:
That, of course, was a lie, but it is true that if Obama were really born in Kenya he probably wouldn’t have gotten citizenship automatically from his mother, because of a bizarre technicality involving former residency requirements and his mother being younger than 18.
I think that’s why the emphasis was on his place of birth, because that’s pretty legally unambiguous: the only exceptions are for weird edge cases such as children of diplomats or members of an invading army, where the baby is in the US but not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. I have, however, seen crackpots spin “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” into elaborate theories about the invalidity of jus soli citizenship, via the idea that this or that person is technically an invader.
Elmo
@Pogonip: No. If I can’t have a high ledge, then I REALLY need the vodka.
Turgidson
Good for Hillz, calling him a liar. Someone has to do it. The media won’t.
I’m sure Ron Fournier will clutch his pearls at such rude language, despite the fact that he’s slipped at least one “Hillary lied” into every story he’s written about her for the past 6 months, and never shows his work.
hovercraft
@West of the Cascades:
I wonder how many complaints they were bombarded with. Keep it up people, they need to think twice and then twice before they print their drivel.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Haven’t read the whole thread, but if there’s a contest to see who will try to blame Obama for Birtherism, Byron York has posted his entry
I’m kind of surprised because, though he hasn’t been on my radar in years, I always counted him among the non-cretinous
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@catclub:
Indeed. I suspect they may feel it’s a matter of life or death to punish him for this stunt to discourage anyone else.
Major Major Major Major
It’s entirely possible that the more entertainment/eyeball-minded parts of the media are setting Trump up for a fall, culminating in a “feisty, revitalized Hillary eviscerates bloviating asshole” moment at the debate.
Brachiator
@PVDMichael:
Not that I recall.
The Dangerman
@Pogonip:
I know you’re being facetious, but is that even possible? I think most EC’s are bound, no?
Now, if it were possible, and every eligible voter voted Trump, I could see the EC playing games such that neither got to 270, tossing it to the House, and let the gunfire begin.
hovercraft
@Ellen R:
Carlos Slim or something.
Elmo
@Mai.naem.mobile: it’s not Russian! It’s Firefly sweet tea flavored. i buy the shit by the gallon, it’s so tasty.
Matt McIrvin
@PVDMichael: Pretty sure some of them started out as birthers. As with any presidential campaign, some supporters believed ridiculous things. The guy who did most of the early promotion of the “whitey tape” rumor was a crank Hillary supporter too, who I think went PUMA.
Turgidson
@PVDMichael:
There were some who were, if I remember correctly. Possibly that racist lunatic Larry Johnson of No Quarter and his small following of fellow dolts. But Hillary never said anything like that. Her campaign regrettably said some stuff about how he was exotic or something, and she herself said “hard-working white Americans”, and the campaign made their share of ugly comments about him, but no birther stuff.
PaulWartenberg2016
Obama gave Donald Trump the biggest burn the con artist ever received in his life at that Correspondents Dinner back in 2011… the same weekend Obama gave the order to take out Bin Laden. It was the most beautiful FU moment in modern political history, and for Trump to now pretend he never really believed in any of it – or worse, that HILLARY is to blame – is the worst form of flip-flopping I’ve ever seen (and this is with Mitt Romney still fresh in my mind).
Obama needs to come out and make it entirely clear who it is he holds responsible for the Birther Bullshit, and Trump can try punching back all he likes but it will definitely be a fight he can’t win. Obama owns his orange ass.
I hope to God this is it, this is FINALLY the one blow to his crazy campaign that sinks Trump… hope hope hope GET THE DAMN VOTE OUT DEMS hope hope hope hope…
Matt McIrvin
@Pogonip:
No, this would not happen.
Bokonon
@lurker one: Not so sure that will happen. Trump’s supporters weren’t turned off when Trump started issuing more nuances about building the wall on the Mexican border … including claiming it might be a “virtual wall” and so on, or maybe just increased enforcement.
Major Major Major Major
@Matt McIrvin: Yeah, that’s Not A Thing.
Redshift
Hey guys! I’m at the Michelle Obama event in Northern Virginia! Front row! Woo!
Miss Bianca
@Major Major Major Major: I find your faith in our Failed Media Experiment both touching and amusing. : )
@Redshift: ooh, live-blog! Live-blog!
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Elizabelle:
Easier:
1. Open a private or incognito tab/window in your browser. (Menu | “New incognito tab” in Chrome.)
2. Go to Times website.
3. Read articles until you hit limit.
4. Close private/incognito tab.
5. Repeat from #1.
SenyorDave
I’d like to see Obama keep this alive for a day or two, casually reminding people that Trump lied about the birther thing, then lied about Hillary starting it. Maybe it will take the POTUS fact checking him to get the press to do its job.
Betty Cracker
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Byron York has always been a cretin of the first order, IMO.
Major Major Major Major
@Miss Bianca: I am in a hopeful mood today for some reason.
hovercraft
@PVDMichael:
Some of them were, but as stated above many were false flag operatives, whose sole purpose was to sow discontent within democratic ranks.
JustRuss
@Elizabelle: Indeed, “asinine” made my day. I’m guessing we won’t see too much pearl clutching from the Villagers over this, for once.
jeffreyw
@Elizabelle:
This is the NYT! They will wait until after the election so as to not be accused of undue influence in the politics.
Brachiator
@Redshift:
Very cool. Any chance that you might get on camera?
Enhanced Voting Techinques
Hilary and birthers. If I recall correctly at the point in the 2008 primary Obama won some of her supporters brought this up and her campaign dismissed it as ludicrous because they refused to believe someone in the 1960s would fake a birth notice in a US newspaper on the off chance a kid named “Barrack Obama” might want to run for president. That’s the truly funny bit about this, if they faked Obama’s birth certificate wouldn’t they do something about him having a name that sounds suspiciously like “Osama ben Ladin” while they were at it?
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: The WAC dinner in I think it was 2011 that Drumpf attended and Obama ripped him a new one during really got under his skin (surprise!). From that point on, it was “Get the ni*CLANG*” as far as Drumpf was concerned.
hovercraft
Ahem. WTF
JPL
@Redshift: Wow.. Keep us updated
Jim, Foolish Literalist
The usually, I think, mild-mannered Greg Sargent is fed the fuck up
W Kamau Bell is also tired of mealy-mouthism (and was retweeted by conservative Daniel Dresser)
Iowa Old Lady
@waspuppet:
This the Brexit story too. Reporters have been thinking Trump isn’t a danger so they can use him for mocking and page views. How’s that working out for you, MSM?
comrade scott's agenda of rage
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
Only if our elite national press members are paraded down some major city’s thoroughfare, Chinese Cultural Revolution style, into a stadium where the single bullet to the back of the head (again, it’s how they do it in China) is paid for by the family.
Sheesh, I hate sounding this way because I sound like a Trump supporter. Time for a nice long hot shower.
geg6
What I think has upped the press fury (finally) is that the pool producer was physically restrained from attending the tour, meaning that there would be NO editorial people plus physical restraint of their producer. Just read (can’t remember where; too many clicks for me today while home sick) that there was an emergency conference call among the networks that culminated in the erasure of the tour video.
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack (tablet): Thank you much!
And I see that I muddled my question.
Want to know how to install Adblock on my iPad and new MacBook.
But totes gonna try out the private browsing with the Carlos Slim PoliticoRetreads Amy Chozick Patrick Healy Judith
MartinMiller New York Times.With apologies to Miss Manners! (Also of the WaPost.)
PPCLI
@burnspbesq: (An earlier message on this went into moderation, and remains there.)
Yes, McInerney did submit such an affidavit:
h*ttp*://*w*ww.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/aug-31-three-star-general-swears-affidavit.ht*ml
(Remove * for links)
He argues that confidence in the chain of command is essential for the military. It does not seem to occur to him that by howling about this non-issue, he is eroding that confidence.
Remember — Obama was the son of an American citizen. Even though he was born in Hawaii, he would have been a natural born citizen in the relevant sense even without it. As almost all the birthers tacitly acknowledged when they were silent about Ted Cruz.
? Martin
Wow. So there’s a way to do this, a way not to do this, and a way to really, really not do this. See Trump went with the last option. Bet the networks keep blowing him, though.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@hovercraft: my memory is that birtherism had kind of faded, as had Trump as a political figure, and he picked it up to get attention. My memory is also that Willard Romney, in addition to joking about it at least once (“Nobody ever asked to see my birth certificate. Ha ha. (What’s that, Ann? One more? All righty) Ha!”), in addition to at least one of the Mittlets unjokingly talking about birth certificates and Harvard transcripts, my memory is that Willard brought Trump in to robocall “working class whites” precisely because of birtherism.
No one on cable TeeVee seems to remember it that way, though.
Tokyokie
@Kay: Der Truppenführer’s shady business dealings and the vast array of conflicts of interest they create should be the main line of attack against the shitgibbon. The only way to resolve that conflict would have been for him to put his wealth in a blind trust when he began his campaign, and not only has he done no such thing, he has merely said that he would turn management of the Trump Organization over to his evil spawn (whom he considers his closest advisers) while he was in office. Really? That’s supposed to be reassuring? Letting a trio of soulless, privileged brats with whom he would discuss policy every day and who are possibly more venal than he is?
I would define a “kleptocrat” as an authoritarian leader who uses the power of the state to advance his own economic interests. Does anybody have any doubt that’s what this asshat most admires about Vladimir Vladimirovich? And given his past and his absolute refusal to disclose his financials, isn’t it safe to assume that the opportunity to rob the country blind is his primary reason for seeking the office? It’s not like he’s ever done anything for anybody not named Trump during his miserable existence.
The difference between Putin and the likes of Mobutu Sese Seko or Ferdinand Marcos is that Putin has nuclear weapons. Electing Trump would mean having Allen Stanford with the world’s largest military force at his beck and call.
Miss Bianca
@hovercraft: My inner Beavis and Butthead are going, “uh…no way, butt-munch”.
Fair Economist
@Villago Delenda Est:
My thoughts exactly. For the longest time I resisted getting an adblocker because I do support compensation for good work. But it’s gotten to the point where multiple sites I follow were unusable (including this one). So I adblock.
I do donate to TPM, BooTrib, and here.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Byron York? Byron Fucking York? WTF?
That dude’s been mad cretin, like old school and shit. Ya feel me?
Dammit. Been binge watching too many episodes of The Wire.
Gelfling 545
@burnspbesq: It’s on TPM.
geg6
@Corner Stone:
In your defense, that was very close to my own reaction.
Corner Stone
“He’s a hater. He’s a bigot. And he’s a racist.”
Fucking mic drop, future congressperson.
Captain C
@Betty Cracker: And without going negative. Off the top of my head, I can think of 5 or 6 lines of negative ads that would have destroyed his favorability ratings.
Matt McIrvin
@The Dangerman: The Electoral College don’t actually get together in one spot and deliberate, or anything like that. It’d be hard to coordinate their actions to override a major-party win, since they’re generally committed party people. Every so often, you get one or two faithless electors who put in a third-party protest vote, or people who accidentally file the wrong ballot. It hasn’t affected the result yet.
Poopyman
@Elmo: So you don’t need talked down from the ledge, it just happens to be Friday.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@PPCLI:
Take 10 seconds to dress up your hyperlink (with the “link” button above the comment box) and you won’t go into moderation. It’s easy. Just remember to overwrite the “http” prefix that is supplied.
Brachiator
@Villago Delenda Est:
Trump has inspired various news outlets to construct a time line of his birtherism. His disquiet began long before the WAC dinner. It is also clear that Trump early on had a fondness for wading in the sewer of conspiracy nonsense. From the NY Times:
It doesn’t take a psychiatrist to see that as rich and powerful as Trump supposedly is, his racial obsession with Obama is not much different than that of a dirt poor Southern cracker.
hovercraft
@SFAW:
Last night on Brian Williams show, Robert Costa and Nicolle Wallace both said they think he truly believes that Obama was not born here, and his campaign and the numbers are the only reason he’s willing to do this. I don’t believe it, but they went on to say that this is his true bond with his base, the first thing that brought them in. He was a national figure who was willing to go out and put their beliefs out there for the world to see and hear. So they will “know” that what he said today is just for the benefit of the rest of us, they still “know”.
Peale
@burnspbesq: I can only cry when I think of whom Trump will appoint as his New Patton to lead the troops. If I were Putin, I would be very happy that the Army would be guaranteed to be led by complete kooks.
Redshift
@Miss Bianca: I’m no good at live blogging, but I’ll do my best afterwards.
Matt McIrvin
@Corner Stone: What I remember is that Obama did take his time to release his official birth certificate, probably on “I don’t dance for your entertainment” grounds. When he finally ran out of patience and released it, I remember some pundits theorizing that it was all an eleven-dimensional chess masterstroke with the motivation York mentioned. But of course nobody in the campaign ever confirmed that.
hovercraft
@Redshift:
Lucky you!!
redshirt
I seem to recall the Birther stuff starting with the PUMAS. But they might have been Republican rat fuckers too.
SiubhanDuinne
@Trentrunner:
Well, it’s not like she had no choice in playing the card game in the first place.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Maybe he wanted to wait as long as Reagan and Bushes did
Davis X. Machina
Wait a week.
The Church of the Savvy does not permit apostasy.
All the cool kids know that politics is show biz for ugly people, that no one really takes it seriously, not the politicians, not the press, not anybody else who really matters. All those proposals and plans and Powerpoints are just a smokescreen for petty venality and petty vanity. Except for statesmen, who are pursing vanity, and venality on an epic scale. Vain and venal people believe everyone else is vain and venal. To believe in the existence of any other sort is a category error.
William Goldman’s first rule of Hollywood is “Nobody knows anything”.
The first rule of political journalism is “Nobody believes anything.” (I mean, you don’t. And nobody else you see every day does.)
If you take politics, and even worse, policy seriously, it’s the kiss of death professionally. If you do it for a lifetime, you wind up the Queen of All Dorks, i.e. Mrs Clinton.
Trump manifestly doesn’t politics, policy seriously. He makes his belief that it’s all a shuck and a scam manifest a hundred times a day. Vanity and venality on an epic scale is his biography.
In other words, this is the candidate the Village has been waiting for its entire life. It will collectively carry him over the finish line if that’s what it takes.
D58826
The one thing that might be different this time is Trump humiliated, made fools of, sh+t on and then rubbed it in of the media. In public and on live TV. Now the the MSM it’s a personal insult rather than just the usual ‘liberal media’ insult.
PPCLI
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Also, Mitt made some remark like “I don’t care if Obama is foreign, it’s his foreign ideas that bother me.” There is no question that he tried to squeeze some juice out of it, even as he technically denied the birther bullshit.
And of course, Trump’s birtherism didn’t prevent Romney from kissing his ass shamefully when accepting and touting Trump’s endorsement.
This should be a lesson to Republicans, though it appears that most of them won’t take it. If you think you can exploit Trump-ism while distancing yourself from Trump, you’re deluding yourselves.
Poopyman
@jeffreyw:
Yah, I was just looking in Teh google for that incident where they admitted withholding a story “for fear that it would influence the election”, but since I can’t even remember which election I’m not having any luck. I just thought that little incident should be brought back up to remind folks that there’s nothing new in the NYT’s politicking.
opiejeanne
@Elizabelle:
I was going to say that.
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
Make sure you go to the Atlantic Records site to download all the lyrics as a PDF for FREE! You can also view the Genius-com annotated lyrics by song, which is really cool.
G didn’t realize until recently that one of the lyrics for “The Battle of Yorktown” is “take the bullets out yo’ gun!” because that’s what the real-life Hamilton ordered his squad to do — they snuck up on the British with bayonets only so an accidental misfire would not alert the enemy.
Amir Khalid
Per The Graun’s liveblog, the National Fraternal Order of Police has endorsed Trump. (On its Twitter feed, the Order styles itself as National FOP. Doesn’t anyone there speak English?)
Matt McIrvin
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He was under no obligation to release it at all, of course!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@PPCLI: the only glimmer of respect I had for Willard was when he (briefly) refused to court an endorsement when (I think) every other Republican candidate trooped over to Trump Tower to fawn breathlessly over “Mr Trump”. When he finally did, he looked like he was smelling sour milk when standing next to Trump. I imagine the same look The Lady Ann had when she saw that birthday cake, that looked like something a couple of talented amateurs had decorated while polishing off a pre-party bottle of Kahlua
Corner Stone
God damn. Robby Mook did not come to play on the HRC campaign reaction on Trump’s bullshit birther stuff.
scav
@hovercraft: Yeah, right, so if his date isn’t actively screaming no! no! no! at all instants, she’s actually begging for it.
What’s the exact opposite of a pufferfish making itself big and pointy and scary against threats?
Most reporters, making themselves flat as doormats, cuddly and welcoming to those fully intending to walk all over them.
Matt McIrvin
@Amir Khalid: I’ve been wondering about them as the core of a possible Trumpist SA/Tontons Macoutes/Khmer Rouge in the event he wins.
geg6
@srv:
No, that was laughing our asses off. Not the same thing.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He also made oblique references to him and Ann being born right down the road when he was campaigning in Michigan, I think it was during “the trees are just the right height” speech, so most of the media ignored it in favor of tree mocking. But his biggest tell was seeking the Trump endorsement in the first place, the only reason Trump became an influential voice as opposed to just a donor was birtherism.
Villago Delenda Est
@srv: HODOR!
Amir Khalid
@hovercraft:
I don’t think Trump gives a damn where Obama was born. I reckon he thought birtherism was a useful stick to beat Obama with.
Davis X. Machina
@Matt McIrvin: We spent a trillion dollars and a decade in the ME preparing recruits for an American Freikorps.
scav
@Amir Khalid: Of course they’re going to like arrogant blowhards with a fundamental disregard for the truth, evidence and rules and a propensity for ripping off the public monetarily.
Elizabelle
@Poopyman: Wasn’t it unauthorized govt wiretapping, which they knew about before the 2004 election?
They sat on that story.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
Here’s what happens to the loudmouth propagandists as the rubble of things clears:
Hans Georg Fritzsche was a senior German Nazi official, ending the war as Ministerialdirektor at the Propagandaministerium (Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda)
He was a quite popular radio figure. Probably had a lot of piquant observations about libtards.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: Heh! All righty then, I will do that!
Corner Stone
Man, this vice-chair for national diversity supporting Trump on MSNBC. Damn.
Ghost of Joe Liebling's Dog
@Michael Bersin:
Ceci Connolly has moved on, presumably to some better-paying grift, but Kit Seelye still has a Times byline.
The Times plays it this way because this is the way they like it.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Amir Khalid:
Because if there’s anybody who is going to support a public collective bargaining organization, it’ll be Donald Freaking Trump.
Brachiator
@srv:
And your point is?
Aleta
The only huge thing Trump has done is damage a lot of people, and damage the country going forward. The news is not about “walking back” his lie. It’s about how he put and continues to put his lies into the headlines of every mainstream media outfit, and put mainstream cameras on a critical mass of twisted people gathered in front of him.
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: @srv: Goose, gander, etc.
Matt McIrvin
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: …yeah… who’s the prospective equivalent of the Red Army in this analogy? Russia’s on the Axis side this time. I guess there was the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact too…
Captain C
I noticed on the vid of the backdrop going down that it took the American flag with it. Symbolic, I think. Also, if this happened at a Clinton event, the press would be howling for two weeks about how this proved she was unpatriotic, unprepared, and unfit for office, even as Trump dry-humped Ivanka at a live press conference (which might draw comment for a day).
Unless, of course, the press are finally tired of being openly taken for rubes and held in contempt to their collective face.
Roger Moore
@Villago Delenda Est:
And I want to write back that I have one that only blocks trackers, and they’re still using them even though I have “do not track” selected in my browser. If they would actually listen to readers, they wouldn’t encounter so many ad blockers.
hovercraft
@Amir Khalid:
To get him attention, he’s a provocateur. It was big and splashy and about the most famous person in the world. It made him a ‘player’ on the world stage. Too bad that for most of that world it made him the worlds biggest buffoon.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ghost of Joe Liebling’s Dog: Ceci is, IIRC, now works for a big pharmaceutical lobby. Liz Sidoti, Ron Fournier’s right hand, fetcher of besprinkled donuts and rider of a certain tire swing, now flacks for BP.
Gindy51
@Kay: Maybe the hacker that got them left time bombs inside their computers set to go off if they told the truth or got tough on Trump. Makes as much sense as anything else this election…
Brachiator
@Major Major Major Major:
Yes, srv is good at false equivalence.
redshirt
@Captain C:
HAHA, good one!
No, rather, I’m sure down the memory hole this too shall go.
Captain C
@Poopyman: a) Half the Russian trip wouldn’t survive the boat ride over.
b) The Russians probably know better than to provide goods without assurances to Trump, as they seem to hold a lot of his debt.
NR
@Kay: Mondale and McGovern won their primaries too. And then went on to get crushed in the general election just like Hillary is going to.
Davis X. Machina
@Amir Khalid: The word-token ‘belief’ in Trump’s head does not have an actually existing referent.
Captain C
@redshirt: I’m starting to wonder how many of the political press have membership cards at BDSM clubs and are known within as the most enthusiastic bottoms.
jeffreyw
@Poopyman:
via
Major Major Major Major
@NR: Care to place a wager? Name an escrow service.
Captain C
@NR: Try to sound like you’re not fapping over this possibility.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@NR: needing some attention today? sitting alone and weepy in front a cupcake with a single candle, hoping Mom or Dad remember this year? go ahead and sing to yourself, blow out that candle and eat that cupcake.
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator: Surprised he doesn’t have a paying gig at the NYT seeing how he’s such a disciple of Broder.
Villago Delenda Est
@NR: HODOR!
Shell
Blitzer has just been as useless as always. Keeps saying “This must have been hard for Trump…this had to have been hard…” Who gives a fuck! A little weird misplaced sympathy, there.
hovercraft
I just went to the WaPo front page and saw this:
Is the media finally going to do it’s job? I guess better late than never. And I suppose more people are paying attention now.
Roger Moore
@Matt McIrvin:
Only if his parents were legally married, which is a whole other can of worms, since Obama Sr. may not have been legally divorced from his first wife when he married Stanley Ann Dunham.
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
He’ll pay up the same time Trump coughs up the $ 5 million for Obama’s ‘proof’ of citizenship.
The Ancient Randonnuer
Andy Ricther:
hovercraft
Reposted with the bad word modified
Mnemosyne
@Matt McIrvin:
IIRC, even that law about the mother’s age had some ambiguity, because it wasn’t meant to prevent birthright citizenship if, say, you were an under-21 US citizen who went into labor while on vacation or a visit overseas. It was to prevent people who had been raised outside the US and lived their whole lives outside the US from claiming birthright citizenship for their non-US born children.
Of course, the whole Obama’s grandmother said he was born in Kenya! thing got started because dumbass Jerome Corsi forgot that the president is Barack Obama Jr. and didn’t realize she was talking about where the president’s father was born in Kenya.
Yes, the entire birther fantasy of the Kenyan birth is built on them forgetting he shares a name with his father. Because, yes, they really are that stupid.
Captain C
@Captain C:
GOODS!
Poopyman
@jeffreyw: Danke! I was pretty sure it was 2004, but kept coming up empty-handed.
mike in dc
The books and articles written about the media coverage after this election is over will be damning.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Okay, I overestimated York, because I don’t pay attention to him
SiubhanDuinne
@Villago Delenda Est:
Alternative orthography.
Gelfling 545
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: It’s the only explanation I can think of for why they have seized on this particular lie. He has lied to their faces day after day but suddenly this particular lie is insupportable?
raven
@jeffreyw: Headed to Chicago tomorrow for a memorial for my buddy. He lived in Goreviile and then Makanda while he was at SIU>
The Other Chuck
@comrade scott’s agenda of rage:
Then how about just not saying it? VDE’s violence fantasies are bad enough.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
Couldn’t agree more. I hope some historian of political journalism sometime will work on identifying when it started at the NYT. Once that is known, the “why” will probably be obvious. Could be an interesting dissertation topic.
Elizabelle
@The Ancient Randonnuer: Love it!
Brilliant, Andy Richter.
Captain C
@SiubhanDuinne: Given their blatant shilling for Shrubya’s Iraq War, and their abysmal coverage of the Whitewater “scandal,” it seems to have been going on for over 20 years now.
Shell
The old ‘last straw’?. He kept them waiting for an hour, only to be treated to a commercial for Trumps hotel that they were now giving him for free. Then the ‘major announcement’ that was a two line lie. Maybe even they have limits.
Stan
@Elmo: “I will be out on the ledge with a bottle of vodka if anyone needs me.”
If you jump, leave the rest of the bottle for us, we need it too
Major Major Major Major
The Drudge headline is “Trump Trolls Media”. Why do the wingers think trolling is good?
jl
@Gelfling 545: I have noticed signs of pushback against Trump BS by the press last couple of days. I hope it continues. If it turns out to be real thing, and an effective thing (and being real and being effective are two distinct issues here), who knows why?
Maybe being brutally called out for BS by some influential voices on the internet had an effect? Maybe fear of losing credibility with at least half of their viewers?
As for political response to the latest Trump BS, think this morning Obama once again showed why he is a master politician, and would have a better chance of any of beating Trump like a drum or a dirty rug if Obama could run again. Obama was able to respond effectively and make it clear it was vile racist dog whistling, while still making it clear that the amount of attention to the issue was a joke, the issue is a joke, and Trump is a particularly pathetic joke, and reporters who obsess over it are pathetic jokes and chumps.
I think the best response to Trump has to include fact that he is a stupid joke, his whole act is a stupid joke, and dangerous because he is a joke. An effective response to Trump has to include a healthy amount of ridicule, as well as outrage.
Obama has the ability to pull that off. Hope HRC takes some clues from Obama on how to respond.
Mike J
@Major Major Major Major:
They think it makes him look strong. It’s unlikely, but possible, that the media may start doing it’s job now. More likely, they whimper today and go back to cowering tomorrow.
SenyorDave
Lead story on Yahoo is that Mark Cuban is offering Trump $10M for a four hour interview, but it has toi be strictly on policy. $10M is to Trump’s choice of charity, or if he want, Cuban says he can keep it for himself. Love it, Mark Cuban trolling Trump.
Mike J
@Mike J: Grrr. Its job, not it’s job. Stupid fingers faster than brain. Edit still doesn’t work for me.
Corner Stone
FLOTUS bringing the guns control!
Tazj
@srv: Well, I thought Trump was being an idiot, I don’t know about anyone else. Trump was absolutely cruel towards Heidi Cruz and I actually had sympathy for Ted Cruz at that point. I don’t know why Repuclicans voted for such a nasty person, not my problem.
SiubhanDuinne
Michelle is one punctual FLOTUS. She was billed for a 3:00 p.m. start, she began talking at 3:02.
jl
@Major Major Major Major: I think on the theory that trolling gets free media, and the attention is good, and sheer attention will work with enough with enough low info voters to improve chances of win. That is the IMHO on it.
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
Because they hate the people he was trolling.
Corner Stone
Not sure why she is campaigning in VA. That should be sewn up. Put her in NC.
geg6
@SenyorDave:
He’s been the best Trump troll of all, excepting the exceptional man currently occupying the Oval Office.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Duh, if you remember to count us as 3/5 ths of a person he is indeed correct!!
Corner Stone
DAMN!!! SHE WENT THERE!!
Matt McIrvin
@Roger Moore: Oh yeah, that’s right! I remember one birther chortling about how Obama was a bastard because of his father’s bigamy, not realizing that, if legally true, that would have undercut the birther theory by rendering his place of birth moot.
jl
@Corner Stone: I think crucial to make as sure as possible that VA is in the bag. and one of those small dinky states back east, right next door to NC. I can see why she wold spend time in VA.
NotoriousJRT
@NR:
Trolling, trolling, trolling. Keep those trolls a-moving, they’re so disapproving….
The Ancient Randonnuer
@SenyorDave: Ha! Love it. Mark Cuban actually has that kind of cash. Reid Hoffman, co-founder of LinkedIn offered to donate up to $5M to a veteran’s groups if Trump releases his tax returns.
Major Major Major Major
@SiubhanDuinne: By winger trolling logic, she should have kept them waiting an hour to show dominance and then delivered a two-sentence rebuttal to Trump as a ‘fuck you’ to every single person involved in the whole thing. That’ll win over suburban women!
jl
@Matt McIrvin: That kind of thing is both idiotic and vile. I think important to point out to wingers that they are acting and think both really vile and really hilariously stupid when they go down that road.
Peale
@SiubhanDuinne: Nah. Future historians will unfortunately read the New York Times because it is available on microfiche in the public library that they found under six layers rubble, much to their excitement. After spending a year or two to crack the language, they wouldn’t know that they were reading bunkum. The Times is actually distorting the future of history.
Corner Stone
@jl: I am sure FLOTUS will hit many locales before it’s all done. Just think VA should be in our hip pocket, hopefully.
SenyorDave
@Elizabelle: Brilliant, Andy Richter.
If you want a good laugh, check out the Youtube video where Andy Richter was on Celebrity Jeopardy along with Wolf Blitzer. Richter had, I believe, $39k at the end of the regular game, and Blitzer was in negative territory. Here’s Richter:
People are constantly wanting to give me figurative high-fives over that. But I’m a little queasy about it. The poor guy was really lost. I just felt kinda bad for him,” Richter said.
Andy Richter pitying Wolf Blitzer! In some defense, I saw part of it on Youtube and Richter nailed almost every question, he’s a very smart guy, really knows his stuff and is very quick. I think comediens would be good at Jeopardy (I know Louis CK easily won when he was on, beating at least one newcaster).
Anoniminous
Volunteer for Hillary
piratedan
@Elizabelle: I would have suggested the Obama Presidential Library…. as the charity that DT donates 5m to
SiubhanDuinne
@PPCLI:
It was very refreshing, as I also noted @SiubhanDuinne. But on further reflection, I might have to reserve judgment until Mara Liasson and David Brooks weigh in on ATC later today.
JPL
@Corner Stone: I just put it on.. what did she say
Brachiator
@Major Major Major Major:
A GOP political strategist and a radio talk show host here in Southern California think that Trump made a brilliant move in blaming Hillary for birtherism. They are gloating about how the media is going to spend a ton of time fact-checking Hillary’s past statements to see whether she actually was a birther.
Somehow they have managed to miss all the online stories blasting Trump.
D58826
@PPCLI: And IIRC at a Michigan campaign stop made a reference to the local hospital as being where both he and Ann were born.
Corner Stone
“And yes. She happens to be a woman.”
Splitting Image
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Now see, if Trump were a Canadian politician, he’d rinse out the cups before putting them back on the shelf.
Calouste
@Major Major Major Major: Wingers don’t understand win-win or lose-lose. They think everything is win-lose. Consequently, if someone else is losing (being trolled, put down) , they must be winning.
Aleta
The Toronto Star’s description of the ‘announcemet’ is more straightforward than the NYT and WaPo’s.
To me it shows how he should be covered, instead of tiptoeing around with complicated sentences to avoid ‘bias.’
jl
@Brachiator: I think we are going to get a test of whether repeated stunts to display dominance and power to drive narratives and subtexts still works when doing so forces you to parade your stupidity and dishonesty in front of the public every damn day of the week. I don’t know how that test will come out, which is why I worry about the election and will be doing some GOTV near election day.
Truegster
@srv: In that paragraph, I see no words such as foreigner, Hawaii, Kenya, or birthplace. My reading comprehension seems to conclude that paragraph relates to something about Obama in foreign attire as an email attachment, which is different than questioning his birthplace, or certificate.
If you, srv, are insinuating something, just come on out like a brave internet commentator and say it, don’t be coy, are you making some claim with that b.s.?
Otherwise, the Juicers should ignore it as the ignorant, irrelevant ramblings of a fool.
Major Major Major Major
@Calouste: That makes sense.
Brachiator
@Peale:
Microfiche?
For all its messes, the NY Times and a few other papers are an invaluable historical resource. The NY Times used to run historical obituaries as “this day in history” material. The obituary for Abraham Lincoln, for example, was amazing. During a celebration of Virginia Woolf, the Times ran every review of her novels, from their digital archive, a treasure trove of changing critical assessment. There are not many other papers which could provide a similar perspective.
Even their massive failures have some historical significance.
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
With the the polls the way they are, they need to keep their foot on the gas, and I believe she is confining her campaigning to the states right around DC. I think she;ll be doing PA, NC, and VA. If GA stays competitive that would also be a good place to send her.
liberal
@Kay: No, because she was much better known than Sanders.
If Clinton had managed to eke out a win over Obama in 2008, she’d still have been a poor retail candidate, and Obama a good one.
Major Major Major Major
@Truegster:
Well, that is srv’s specialty, if you hadn’t noticed.
SFAW
@NR:
Delete Your Self. moron.
SiubhanDuinne
@Redshift:
I’m listening to her on MSNBC XM. She is killing it!
Anoniminous
@Villago Delenda Est:
I prefer SheDevilFromHell! meself.
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
Not to mention that the work is already done; several fact check groups declared claims that Clinton started it false long before Trump made the claim today, so it’s too late.
mapaghimagisk
@NR:
Her staff has been great dealing with someone that the press is beginning to realize played them. For someone who has been attacked for as long as she has to deal this well with someone who has been given a pass as long as he has, she’s been stellar.
Her pivot on her getting sick was great. Lets talk about healthcare.
I’m not even sure you’d even state anything she’s done right, because you’re just trying to piss people off. Okay, if that’s your example of living an extraordinary life, that’s that.
peter
@MomSense: I worked for more than twenty years in the Old Post Office, and my agency had to move when Trump got his lease and began renovations. But even before we left, Ivanka and her designers would occasionally show up (and once or twice, Trump himself) and introduce new light fixtures, door handles, etc. — just trial balloons, trying to get “the look.” It was all incredibly tacky: lots of faux gold and crystal, completely out of place in that building. A couple of my co-workers went to the opening just to see the finished product, and it was terrible. Completely tasteless, with garish carpets, conspicuous accessories, lots of generic art. It was sad. That building deserves better
BernieBros>HillaryBots
I love how the Cult of Hillary here at BJ is trying desperately to back away from these allegations… but why bother? As we saw in the primaries, the Clinton team is a skilled purveyor of dirty tricks. And what does it matter if Hillary has plausible deniability? It’s clear that her team and many of her supporters were willing to stoop to anything in their efforts to stop Barack Obama in 2008 and Bernie in 2016.
I have to say that seeing all you Hillaristas in a panic is immensely satisfying. I guess she’s not so “inevitable” after all, eh? And even if she is elected, she’ll never survive to the midterms. She’ll be impeached, fall prey to “walking pneumonia” or simply be voted out by all the voters she’s going to disappoint.
mapaghimagisk
It’s also good to see Bernie Sanders tweeting in on Donald’s racism. I watched the Democratic Black Caucus on CNN. CNN is pissed for now, which is a good thing, and the best thing they can do is when Donnie steals airtime, they give Ms. Clinton and her surrogates the same.
Kay
@NR:
Well, okay but my point is you always act as if there’s some winner that was skipped over. How bad is Bernie Sanders that he can’t beat the worst candidate in 50 years? He didn’t lack money- he spent a ton. He was running back to back tv ads in the Ohio primary. What was missing there?
I don’t even agree with you on “worst”. Kerry was worse than Clinton. Clinton has an actual constituency- people who are very enthusiastic about her, most notably AA’s and women. Kerry was like “generic Democrat”. I still have no idea who his “base” was. I looked for them. Must have been a small group. I think I met one enthusiastic supporter.
Villago Delenda Est
@Brachiator:
They confuse “tons” with “milligrams” of time.
SenyorDave
While I think of it, Scalia is still dead and Jill Stein is still an asshole. I saw an interview with her a few days ago where she continuew to parrot the Clinton=Trump nonsense. I actually think she believes it. If she is actually the difference and gets Trump in, somebody should ask her in a year or two what she thinks when millions lose their health insurance, the EPA is decimated, and military spending goes through the roof at the expense ofthe social safety net. I think about her and my blood boils. She (and her family) is not going to have to worry about fallout from a Trump presidency.
mapaghimagisk
@BernieBros>HillaryBots:
Shut up, Donnie.
I mean seriously, who the fuck are you? Even Bernie knows you’re full of shit. Let that sink in. Your god has forsaken you.
Villago Delenda Est
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: HODOR!
mapaghimagisk
@Villago Delenda Est:
Actually, CNN flat out is saying its a lie.
A lie. That’s actually pretty stunning.
Matt McIrvin
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: Did you see Bernie Sanders today? Why are you throwing your guy under the bus?
Brachiator
@jl:
Trump is flailing precisely because his strategists are wasting time with “narratives and subtext” bullshit. They had him appear before a small black crowd in Flint, Michigan as part of his “Trump’s Secret Plan to Save the Negro” push, only to see him insult a strong black woman minister. This is the same old Trump who had insulted a Mexican American judge and the Muslim parents of a respected veteran.
Trump’s supporters and his media helpers are now forced to have to work extra hard to deny reality.
Trump had planned to double down on his business expertise, in blasting Ford for moving small car production to Mexico. Instead, he is looking like a fool.
If you can, you should do some GOTV work as soon as you can. There will be a significant amount of absentee voting by mid-October, and even though we will not know the results until November, the votes will be in the bank.
Tom Q
@SenyorDave: The “celebrities” have often outpointed the DC folk on that week of Jeopardy — Al Franken (both before and after becoming Sen. Franken) and Michael McKean have been big winners, and Matthew Weiner (creator of Mad Men) ran away with his game (rerun last week). The Richter/Blitzer face-off was the most blatant (as I recall, Blitzer wasn’t just in negative territory, but something like -$5000, which seemed impossible), but it’s long been clear from this show that writers/comedians/some actors are far better informed than the people who supply us news.
Major Major Major Major
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: You strike me as the sort of person who is an idiot.
PaulWartenberg2016
I’m getting twitterheads sending me posts “OH IT WAS HILLARY ALL ALONG” or that it was Penn who was the first Birther or it was George Washington or some other person.
But it was TRUMP who ran with it and carried the banner for five goddamn years. Even worse than whats-her-name, the conspiracy nut from California, the dental hygenist turned lawyer, whats her name?
It’s on him.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
FLOTUS was kicking ass on CNN. Chill the fuck out, they got this.
Villago Delenda Est
@mapaghimagisk: Obviously, I overestimated the amount of time they’d spend fact-checking Hillary.
Let’s try “picograms”.
JPL
Since I missed the beginning, I’m going to watch the speech again on CSPAN.
gogol's wife
@Trentrunner:
Judge Judy and Executioner!
Grumpy Code Monkey
@NR:
I’m looking at Sam Wang’s page right now, where he currently has Hills with an 86% chance of winning in November, based on current polls.
Why is he wrong? Where does his model break down?
More importantly, what model are you using to make this prediction? Show your work.
Elizabelle
@The Sheriff’s A Ni-: Mrs. O was on CNN? Dang. Missed it. Turned the set off hours ago.
jl
@Brachiator:
We will see how well it works. CNN had an sad political horse race news article saying that on substance HRC’s release of health information made Trump’s look like the joke it was, but hey! Trump won the day since people looove them some Dr Oz and it got more attention in terms of infotainment.
But, then, next to that story was a video of an interview with an undecided guy who said (my paraphrase) ‘that Trump Dr Oz stunt was kind of stupid. It was just fake staged BS, right?’
So, is CNN right, or was that man-in-the-street interview a better indication of how undecided voters will react? I don’t know.
And, yeah, I am doing as much GOTV as I can, mainly for state and local, until time frees up at my day job.
gogol's wife
@SenyorDave:
Gooood! I forgive them for their stupid college list!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
from a reporter at what looks like a Trump event, talking to a woman in a goofy Trump hat
@Major Major Major Major: I’m vaguely curious if it’s a real B-Bro or a garden variety troll, but mostly what you said.
Captain C
@SenyorDave:
“It’s not my fault! Hillary would have done even worse things! [citation needed]” With a subtext of “besides, I’m doing OK.”
hovercraft
@JPL:
I’m watching it right now, she is awesome. Birthirism, they go low we go high!
Major Major Major Major
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: given the linked blog, my guess is both.
And it’s about as shitty a blogger as it is a troll.
Anoniminous
@BernieBros>HillaryBots:
Bernie Sanders: I support Hillary Clinton. So should everyone who voted for me
So Fuck Off
Calouste
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: Clinton didn’t need to do any dirty tricks in the primary, Bernie “the dog ate my tax returns” Sanders was a shitty candidate.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@srv:
You mean Ted “My dad’s the Castor follower is a birither, me I was born in Canada and the rest of the senate hates me” Cruz?
Quite a deep bench the Dady Party has there SRV.
hovercraft
@Elizabelle:
It’s up on c-span, I’m watching now, she’s kickin ass and taking names. Lots of shade.
SenyorDave
@Grumpy Code Monkey:
jl
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: @Anoniminous: @Calouste:
You people are (edit: acting like) morons. Quit the HRC/Bernie toddler level fighting crap, OK?
Edit: edit added for civility, since I don’t want to assign anyone here to a basket of deplorables that cannot be salvaged.
Edit2: think I misunderstood Anoniminous’ comment. My apologies if I did.
Elizabelle
@hovercraft: Great to hear. I will have to catch it online later.
Are we sure the Berniebots guy isn’t DougJ? Didn’t read the entry; life is short …
Schlemazel
@mapaghimagisk:
GOP paid troll
He thinks by playing the bro card he can start infighting and also deflect the obvious responses to horse shit like he is spreading
Roger Moore
@peter:
Donald Trump is a vulgar person’s idea of what a classy person is like.
Roger Moore
@SenyorDave:
We have to burn the old system down before we can build the new utopia.
Major Major Major Major
@Elizabelle: I don’t think Doug even reads this blog any more.
Grumpy Code Monkey
A couple of random articles to get your blood pressure up:
Because Scott Walker Asked
After key dontaions, GOP tried to keep poisoned kids from suing lead makers
tl;dr – In exchange for donations to help him win his recall election, Governor Scott Walker and the WI GOP legislature passed laws favoring those donors, such as laws making it effectively impossible to sue lead manufacturers for lead poisoning. Even better, those donations were made through Club for Growth, rather than directly to the campaign, to get around reporting requirements.
Matt McIrvin
@Grumpy Code Monkey:
To be fair, Sam Wang himself estimates that the current situation is worse than that model, because of the time lag inherent in the state polls. (He has a seat-of-the-pants map that is sort of his intuitive version of the “now-cast”, showing the race essentially tied with Wisconsin in a dead heat; personally I don’t think he should have posted it because it’s basically a made-up guess, and he doesn’t normally do that.)
He stands behind his model, though. You could criticize his Bayesian assumption on the grounds that the race has entered a fundamentally new phase and all priors based on past performance are invalid.
Poopyman
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: Doug, Doug, Doug … Too many words.
gogol's wife
@Major Major Major Major:
He’s had several posts up in the last week.
Roger Moore
@Matt McIrvin:
Bernie isn’t his guy; he’s just trolling.
catclub
@PaulWartenberg2016:
Orly Taitz, aka Oily Taints
singfoom
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: Who’s panicking? I see a thread full of people laughing at the Donald punching himself in the dick by lying so plainly that even the shitty media calls it out.
You might want to adjust your prescription, glasses or otherwise. Plus, Bernie supports Hillary, so who do you think you’re doing this for?
Major Major Major Major
@Matt McIrvin: the punditubbies all say every election is fundamentally different until it’s not. Wang’s model is fine.
Schlemazel
Not cheering, laughing! Failgunner Ted was pushing the birtherism bullshit so we all had a good laugh when he was made to eat his own crap.
It was the goopers that swallowed the BS. Their arguments often failed to even understand the US Constitution or were obviously nonsense so to see one of their own subjected to it made us all very happy. Me personally, I hope he runs again and is confronted with the same ignorant horse shit. He deserves it, the GOP deserves it and you do too
Captain C
@singfoom:
Whoever’s paying him/her 50 cents/post.
gogol's wife
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:
Yes, since it vilifies the NTSB. I love the blurbs for the movie, about how Sully risked his career. When was that? As far as I can recall, he was a hero from Day One, and no evil gubmint men tried to ruin his career. But that’s the whole dramatic point of the movie.
I would never pay a dime to see a Clint Eastwood film.
Iowa Old Lady
The Congressional Black Caucus called a press conference this afternoon and blasted Trump as “a two-bit racial arsonist.”
Aleta
CNN and others reporting that Trump “plays the press” will just be interpreted as another victory to his supporters won’t it?
Citizen_X
@Shell:
Gee, it’s so hard for Trump to lie, don’t you know.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I quite liked The Unforgiven, but those that followed never appealed to me for a moment.
quick quiz: can anyone tell me what HRC is doing today, without internetting?
Marc McKenzie
@BernieBros>HillaryBots: To quote Malcolm Tucker: “I’ve met a lot of fucking psychos…but none as fucking boring as you. I mean you’re a real, boring fuck.”
Take your shit elsewhere, douche. Go back to your self-righteous corner so you can diddle yourself there.
Schlemazel
@Captain C:
BINGO!
Remember both FOX Nudes and the GOP have been caught trolling online. I assume there are low=level flunkies paid to do this sludge work.
Back in the middle ages there where women who collected urine from chamber pots and used it to launder clothes (it apparently made the whites whiter). I assume the work was not much different that the R word or this clowns job; collect wast from the wingnuts, spread it across the Internet trying to make the whites whiter
burnspbesq
Calm down, Amir. Still 45 minutes to play, and as gorgeous as Henderson’s goal was, it doesn’t count more than any other goal.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Punching Donald Trump right in the dick?
Ella in New Mexico
Someone’s making the NYT feel guilty: current headlines on their web page:
Unwinding a Lie: Trump’s Long Embrace of ‘Birtherism’
By MICHAEL BARBARO 12:32 PM ET
It took Donald J. Trump five years, but on Friday he surrendered to reality after a remarkable campaign of relentless deception to undermine President Obama.
The essential question — why promote a lie? — may be unanswerable. It might not matter. He kept doing it.
Trump Drops Claim but Falsely Accuses Clinton of Starting It
By MAGGIE HABERMAN and ALAN RAPPEPORT 1:38 PM ET
Mr. Trump made no apology for a five-year-long smear of the nation’s first black president. Instead, he claimed Mrs. Clinton initially stirred the issue in 2008.
geg6
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Well, I know she started the day in Virginia pre-butting Trump’s bullshit. And I think I just heard that Tweety has an interview with her, so guessing she was taping that later.
Brachiator
@jl:
I’m not sure about the voters, yet. But I just listened to the audio of a portion of Trump’s little presentation. You could hear the reporters, maybe some of the veterans, groan at Trump stupidly trying to claim that he was the king of the Obama defenders. And the reaction of reporters and editors have been anger and exasperation at the clumsiness of Trump’s attempt to get out among the people and look more presidential, and his odd, ineffective attempts to pivot towards the middle, as his strategists demand he must do.
To my mind, for the first time, Trump has clearly wounded himself. His thing is to always respond to an attack with a swift counter-attack, and to belittle his opponents.
But today is the first time that Trump looks like a total and complete fool. And he did it to himself, not as a result of responding to an attack by a political opponent. And he got himself tangled in a clumsy lie that is easy to understand by even the least politically engaged citizen.
I don’t know whether the average voter will pay much attention to this. But if they do, I think that it could be seriously damaging to Trump’s efforts.
Also, those racists who looked to Trump to hold the banner of bigotry high and proud have got to be disappointed at his reverse pivot.
geg6
@gogol’s wife:
This. He is a disgusting irrelevant old man. Never much liked him or any of his films and I actively trash him now whenever I get the chance.
Mnemosyne
@Tom Q:
One of the best “Celebrity Jeopardy” shows I saw was Stephen King vs David Duchovny going head-to-head. (Poor Lynn Redgrave was there, but she got stomped.) Duchovny has a master’s degree and all-but-dissertation in American Lit from Harvard, and King has taught at the university level (may also have a master’s degree) so it was great.
Embarrassingly, Duchovny lost on a question about Truman Capote. Embarrassing because his unfinished dissertation was about Capote.
Cacti
Nate Silver apparently agrees with my prediction from a few days ago.
He believes that Hillary will win on the substance of the first debate and insta polls will agree, but that the pundits will try to declare Trump the winner.
Team D best be prepared to push back hard.
Captain Splendid
@NR: Considering she’s still the favourite to win, as opposed to losing by 2 of the biggest landslides in US election history makes that comment completely useless.
Llelldorin
@Ella in New Mexico:
I cancelled my subscription yesterday and accused them of making an in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign. I know a lot of other folks here have done similar things. I suspect we weren’t alone.
Calouste
Burn!
Matt McIrvin
@Brachiator: I can never tell what’s actually going to stick. Why did the attack on the Khan family actually hurt him when so many equally stupid and vile things he’d said before, including plenty of slandering of war heroes, didn’t? Why did attacking Judge Curiel for being Mexican actually hurt him when he’s that racist and transparently self-regarding all the time? I don’t know, but those are the two things that actually seemed to do him damage before.
gogol's wife
@Mnemosyne:
It was Yale! I was at a party with him once.
Corner Stone
53% of Republicans in 2016 believed Obama was not born in the US. Someone please tell me again that the use of “half” to name Trump’s supporters deplorable is a mistake.
Wapiti
@piratedan:
Nah. Planned Parenthood. Maybe even the Puerto Rican branch, Profamilias, since the Senate won’t do shit about Zika.
gogol's wife
@Matt McIrvin:
I hate to say it, but it seemed to be purely that the lemmings of the press decided to run with the Khan story while ignoring all the other ones. I didn’t understand it at the time and I still don’t.
Elizabelle
Front pagers: WaPost ombud Margaret Sullivan has an excellent column up.
Worth heavy excerpting and mass distribution. I don’t know how to link on the iPad.
Calls out TV news to stop getting rolled by Trump. Applies to print, too. (Looking at you NYT.)
Sullivan left the Times kind of early, could have stayed a little longer. I wonder if she knew how craptastic it was planning to become.)
Corner Stone
@gogol’s wife: “I will gladly lend you my copy!”
Suck it, you fucking racist creep!
Mnemosyne
@gogol’s wife:
Ooops! You’re right, it was Yale. All those Ivies look the same from this coast …
?
Peale
@Corner Stone: Yep. I don’t know if we can even blame donald for mainstreaming it. He got it in the MSM, sure, but even by that point, 1/2 Republicans thought he wasn’t a citizen. They don’t need MSM validation to get crazy ideas. Heck, if anything, I think the total is DOWN 2% from the height of birthermania.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@Matt McIrvin: Offhand guess: He made it personal with a Federal judge and a Gold Star family.
Cacti
@Elizabelle:
The ComPost has been surprisingly on point from the start with their writing on Trump. The Times OTOH has been Ahab with the Clintons as their great white whale.
Elizabelle
@Ella in New Mexico: I was pleasantly surprised they published my comment about how absurd the earlier headline was.
Mnemosyne
@gogol’s wife:
I think it’s partly because the Khans had made several prior TV appearances and producers knew how to reach them. In other words, sheer fucking laziness, as usual.
Brachiator
@Villago Delenda Est:
2008’s Gran Torino and 2014’s American Sniper were both successes, and Eastwood’s highest grossing films ever.
However, I think that Mystic River (2003) was the last truly good film that he directed.
Sully is an OK film, and an excellent tonic for senior citizens. It is short (96 minutes) with an easy-to-follow story and a happy ending. Opening week the audience was 80 percent over age 65, but the group I saw it with was 80 percent over age 65.
Elizabelle
@Cacti: I never read the book, but didn’t Moby Dick end with the vessel wrecked?
Peale
@gogol’s wife: Yeah. I looked at the story, and was like, why shouldn’t there be an investigation when there is a plane crash even if no one was killed and the pilot was a hero? The NTSB needed to investigate, and that means looking closely at the pilot and asking questions about his fitness. Audits suck, yeah, but they have to be done in a case like that.
SFAW
@Calouste:
Fixed to more accurately reflect Corrupt Deadbeat Donnie’s personality, i.e., Grifter
Peale
@Cacti: So the rumor is that Jeff Bezos wants the to investigate Trump throroughly which is the push to get information out there. He may be a republican for all I know, but he wants this done, so it is done. Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. may have the same reasoning for the way his paper is performing. it is almost as if he’d rather see New York burn to the ground than have anyone on his staff admit that perhaps Trump is making dangerous promises.
schrodinger's cat
@gogol’s wife: Bitter old man is bitter.
Corner Stone
@Elizabelle:
No, actually it ended with Capt Ahab selling the boat and retiring to a community near Seattle, WA, using the profits from selling mass quantities of whale oil for lighting and energy purposes. A feel good story, when you look right at it.
Brachiator
@Matt McIrvin:
Attacking politicians, celebrities and other big wigs is fair game. Things are riskier when you attack people who may not be able to fight back as easily.
Cacti
@Elizabelle:
Yep. The whale lives, and everyone dies except Ishmael.
Aleta
-Adele Stan at American Prospect
gocart mozart
The first mention of the Birther conspiracy appear at FreeRepublic on March 1, 2008. Here is the link http://linkis.com/iiLNZ
I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.
Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.
Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.
Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems – except accept the VP.
391 posted on 3/1/2008, 4:47:59 AM by FARS
See also http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/44863_Was_the_Birther_Conspiracy_Really_Started_by_Hillary_Clinton_Supporters
gogol's wife
@Mnemosyne:
There was another guy in the English Department (let’s call him Mr. X), who looked a bit like Duchovny. Duchovny was known as “the less handsome Mr. X.”
SFAW
@Elizabelle:
@Cacti:
Not the “true” version (which Corrupt Deadbeat Donnie claims to have written). In that version, Corrupt Deadbeat Captain Trump impales the whale with his own Yuuuuuuuge harpoon (IYKWIMAITYD), everyone is saved (except for that brownish heathen, Queerqueg, of course), and they all worship Trump, and the good ship Ivanka sails on happily, while Captain Trump plays grab-ass with the figurehead
Matt McIrvin
@Brachiator:
That usually seems to work fine for Trump, though. Or is it that his targets were just so obviously exemplary people and the racist attacks so obviously hollow, with nothing to them but ethnicity?
redshirt
@Brachiator: MATLOCK!
mapaghimagisk
@Iowa Old Lady:
It was great!
Dadadadadadada
@Xantar: I was impressed when NPR’s hourly news noted that Trump’s birtherism was a “racist lie” (direct quote AFAIR). I’m baffled as to what Trump thinks he’s doing here; reminding everyone of his birther nonsense from 2012 can only hurt him among embrained folk, and the straight negation of birtherism that he delivered can only hurt him among everyone else. He loses coming and going.
Brachiator
@Cacti:
Silver should stick with the numbers. He sucks as a pundit. Typical, lazy attempt at fortune telling.
And even here, if he were more politically astute, he would understand that it doesn’t much matter who “wins” the debate. Trump’s biggest challenge will be to simply look plausibly presidential.
Captain C
@Roger Moore: People who say that it takes breaking some eggs to make an omelet need to volunteer to be one of those eggs. Otherwise, they aren’t really serious.
hovercraft
@Ella in New Mexico: @Ella in New Mexico:
Yeah now, but we all saw what they had on before. They are still way behind the curve, they are supposed to be the news leader, not followers. If they want to get the respect they used to have they will have to earn it, today they did themselves no favors.
gwangung
@Peale: Well, the complaints I’ve read about SULLIE is that it completely invented the dramatic conflict that fueled the story. The NTSB did a proper, thorough job and was NEVER dogging the guy…and in fact independently came up with the simulations that showed his heroism.
Tom Q
@Peale: With Sulzberger it seems more anti-Clinton than pro-Trump. Gene Lyons said back in the 90s that The Times would rather see Clinton impeached/removed from office than print a retraction on their clearly fallacious Whitewater stories.
As for Eastwood: his politics seem to be getting loonier all the time (in the 90s, he was centrist enough to vote Perot, not GOP), but I can’t dismiss hm as a filmmaker. Unforgiven, A Perfect World, Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, Letters from Iwo Jima are all very solid/insightful films, and I’d even stick up for American Sniper (just because right-wingers saw it as unvarnished support of the Iraq War doesn’t mean that was Eastwood’s intent — I thought the movie had a good bit more nuance to it). Sully is a pretty straightforward, down-the-middle movie, and it tilts a tiny bit more anti-NTSB than it needs to, but it’s a perfectly stirring and gripping account of a made-for-the-movies incident that I think most people would enjoy if they kept their politics out of it.
Corner Stone
God. I had slightly forgotten how fucking bad Obama torched Trump’s ass at that WHCD.
That was masterful by Obama.
Cacti
@Brachiator:
The bar for which the media has set at “doesn’t crap in his hand and throw it at Hillary”.
Elizabelle
@SFAW: Grab ass with the figurehead.
I can see it. With those tiny, tiny hands.
Aleta
@Aleta: Which is to say, most of the media are today talking about the lie of birtherism without mentioning its racism and how the mainstream GOP supported that. Not good enough.
Major Major Major Major
@gogol’s wife: That doesn’t mean he reads the blog.
SFAW
@Elizabelle:
Except that I thought figureheads were larger-than-life-size. (Don’t know for certain, just an assumption based on ship size, etc.)
Of course, if the Ivanka figurehead doesn’t like it, it can always quit and move to another ship.
jl
@Dadadadadadada: Maybe, like the more establishment GOP, Trump knows he has to do the pivot dance to appeal to low info voters who don’t pay much attention to the race until after Labor Day? Or maybe Trump is a sad un-selfaware self-deluded white bigot type racist as opposed to a very self-aware and conscious racist, and he genuinely wants to show the world that ‘The Blacks’ love him and will go to polls in droves to vote for him? Or maybe Trump knows that he needs to follow-up on what seems to be his success in capitalize on HRC’s supposed ‘half’ gaffe (should be called ‘halfgaffegate’?) dissing a lot of voters who don’t see themselves as bitter hateful extremists he has to follow-up his talk with a good walk towards a minority group (or his ‘win the day’ will fade)?
Anyway, Trump senses he can’t talk and act so butt stupid and hateful as he did during the primaries and win. But since half (or a third, or who knows?) of his fans came to him for that and not much else, how does he do it after he got his fans with air horns and sirens, not dog whistles? It is a problem. I earnestly hope Trump does not find a way to solve it.
gogol's wife
@Major Major Major Major:
He directly replied to a comment I made, just the other day.
Matt McIrvin
One of my Bernie-or-Buster acquaintances just announced he’s voting for Jim Webb. I think he’s in Georgia.
SFAW
@Matt McIrvin:
I can’t tell if you’re joking.
ETA: One assumes he was not a Trump voter in the first place?
Jeffro
I just read the first 10 comments, and now I know why this thread is at 417 comments and counting. LOL
People: do. Not. Feed. THE TROLLS.
Btw Donna Brazile just WENT OFF a little while ago…I think she had some serious pent-up CNN studio nonsense to get out of her system. Then there were a couple speakers and then FLOTUS spoke and holy cow, she is a treasure. Even my “libertarian” brother, watching at work when he should be working, said if we ‘ran’ her, this election would be no contest (yeah right bro, you guys would just be sliming her with racist AND sexist stuff but whatever)
I’m good with Donna or Michelle running down the road, but for now HIL YES! Let’s GOTV people!!
Major Major Major Major
@gogol’s wife: See, that means he reads the blog!
Jeffro
@Matt McIrvin: That makes sense…Bernie and Webb are so close on the issues, after all…
Matt McIrvin
@Tom Q: IIRC, “Million Dollar Baby” temporarily got Eastwood tarred as a vicious member of “the Left”.
Amir Khalid
@burnspbesq:
For me, the outcome was never in doubt.
Aleta
Trump’s Hillary lie seems like his same old “say something outrageous to distract the media from covering the worse story.”
Dadadadadadada
@Miss Bianca: Clear your schedule. You’re going to want to listen to it all at once, possibly 2 or 3 times in a row.
Brachiator
@Cacti: RE: Trump’s biggest challenge will be to simply look plausibly presidential.
I don’t think the media sets the bar for this. The media is largely ignorant of what voters are looking for here.
Here’s one of the pundits on the 2008 debate between Obama and Clinton:
I think this was Josh Marshall
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: Heh. I remember that
Dadadadadadada
@Ellen R: Because Mexicans love Trump so much?!?!?
Major Major Major Major
@Ellen R: Carlos Slim is nuts.
ruckus
@Major Major Major Major:
You are being way too polite. Way,way too.
Calouste
@Captain C: My response to the “Let’s blow the whole thing up and start all over” people is “Fine, why don’t you start with your house, as an experiment?”.
Brachiator
@Matt McIrvin:
Michael Medved had a radio show back then, and infamously revealed all the story details and a significant plot twist because he thought that the movie had a “wrong” ethical position on a decision made by one of the characters.
Major Major Major Major
@ruckus: Terminally. It’s a personality defect.
Captain C
@Calouste: I’m so going to ‘borrow’ that!
jl
@Dadadadadadada:
” Because Mexicans love Trump so much?!?!? ”
Might be some tension between the ‘Mexico’ part and the ‘billionaire’ part.
Does Slim gives a rats ass about Mexico, apart from his empire? Probably same issue with many US corporate billionaires.
Emma
@Brachiator: Microfiche properly preserved will last a hundred or so years. Meanwhile LC is rushing to digitize newspapers.
CaseyL
@Calouste:
I love this comment and want to have its children. May I settle for stealing it as a riposte to the purity nuggets I encounter?
Tom Q
@Brachiator: Well, he wasn’t entirely wrong. (I’ll do this carefully, to try and avoiding spoilage for those who haven’t seen the film.) An action Eastwood takes late in the film is one that many people might find abhorrent, and it would be shocking to them to find it presented as, essentially, an act of nobility. If I were to walk into a highly-praised film and found it ended with the hero, say, killing an abortion provider, with the film seeming to endorse that, I’d be furious. It was a shitty thing Medved did, but I don’t know how you could have warned certain people off the movie (which they’d clearly have hated) without letting them know about the ending.
To the original point: yes, because of this ending, some critics got on Eastwood’s butt for being too lefty. But his films have actually offered a muddle of political stances — he’s clearly skeptical of both government AND religion; holds some right-wing positions, and harbors some old-white-guy feelings…but is close to both Sean Penn and Morgan Freeman, so he’s hardly doctrinaire right or racist. In fact, when I talked with friends about Million Dollar Baby — released in an election year when red state/blue divide was pretty intense — I opined that Eastwood’s characters all live in purple states. I nearly always get that feeling from his films, sometimes to the point of schizophrenia (as in Gran Torino). That’s why it’s so surprising to me when he takes an actual political stance in life — it comes out so much more definitive/reductive than his films do.
J R in WV
@Elizabelle:
Download Crystal from the App Store.
Open Settings.
Choose Safari > Content Blockers.
Set Crystal to On.
Or, if you prefer,
Download ADP Adblock Plus from the App store
Open Settings.
Choose Safari > Content Blockers.
Set ADP Adblock Plus to On.
If you use AdBlock Plus you will be able to control which ads it blocks – From reading the article I found by Googling “how to install ad blocker on macbook” Crystal appears to be pre-set on which ads to block – ie, all of them.
Here’s the LINK to the article.
If you can’t get AdBlock Plus on the app store there are other places to download it, but I can’t vouch for the honesty of those sites, nor whether their copy of AdBlock is unhacked.
I DO NOT have any Apple hardware, and so can’t vouch for any of this info personally. But it looks like how I do things in Linux or Android. If a Apple user has already pitched in on this topic, you may want to go with their advice. Or Google up your own information, like I did.
You can learn how to do almost anything with Google or Youtube. I learned how to disassemble a classic old pistol a friend gave me from watching (over and over) a video on Youtube. The gunsmith did some magic in about half a second that it took a while to pick up on. But installing ad blocker software is more straight forward than the secret way to take a pistol apart, or repair a dishwasher, which I also learned from Youtube…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Mike Grunwald wanders amongst the deplorables
J R in WV
@srv:
Calouste
@Captain C: @CaseyL: Borrow/steal ahead :)
J R in WV
@Matt McIrvin:
When I was a kid, the local FOP became a club that built a big pool concept club, that only white people would be swimming in. So they could go swimming without being in water black people had been in.
Of course, all the water on earth has been through the kidneys of dinosaurs, multiple times, so really, when you are at the beach, you’re in former dinosaur urine. If being in water black kids swim in is worse than dinosaur piss, OK, you can go there if you want. I’m not with you. Because you are a sick bigot, and I’m not.
Davebo
@catclub: That’s not the headline I’m seeing.
Elizabelle
@J R in WV: Thank you J R. I will let you know how it comes out! Many thanks.
Matt McIrvin
@J R in WV: When Simone Manuel won her gold, one of my social-media friends posted a photo from the Sixties of where we came from: a white man pouring hydrochloric acid into a swimming pool with black people in it.
J R in WV
@hovercraft:
If you use either the i button OR the bb button, twice, inside the forbidden word, as in cas[em][/em]ino with angle brackets instead of square brackets, as the buttons provide, you can spell anything correctly and still not get moderated.
as in:
casino
poker
cialis
etc. Or you can turn some letters italic or bold if you don’t care about now the word looks as posted. as in poker or casino
Brachiator
@Tom Q:
Bullshit. Let me deal with this one quickly. Medved is not just a political commentator. He was a fucking film critic. Wrote about hundreds of movies. He had no authority to warn people away from the movie. But even so, he knew how to write about the film without spoiling it. He knew how to express his disapproval without deliberately trying to keep audiences away from the movie. His act was an act of bad faith. And a deliberate act of sabotage. And he did it while acting as a critic, not as a religious or political writer.
Eastwood, even fading, is a filmmaker, not a political essayist or a maker of documentaries. His worst critics have slanted their reviews of Sully because they think they know Eastwood’s politics and don’t like them. Tom Hanks is probably more of a lefty, but I don’t see any critics bashing him for appearing in Sully.
I have no idea what the “politics” of “Mystic River” might be. In fact, I don’t think that the film would be better in any way if it had a more definitive political stance.
There are obviously directors who are more political, and who select projects that have a more overt ideological bent. But they still have to come up with a compelling story.
Also, I think that there are a lot of moviegoers who increasingly demand that a film not only make them happy, but provide them with characters whose politics and beliefs meet their approval. But this is a issue for another thread, another time.
hovercraft
@J R in WV:
Thanks.
The Other Chuck
@Schlemazel:
The ammonia might have gotten them cleaner, I dunno about any bleaching properties. Urine was also one of the raw materials demanded by dye-makers and tanners.
Gravenstone
@Elizabelle: Apropos of absolutely nothing, but I once upon a time found a Pop Up Book! of Moby Dick. Alas, it was shrink wrapped, so I couldn’t evaluate the contents, but it struck me absolutely hilarious at the time.
randy khan
@Brachiator:
Ed Morrissey. It didn’t sound like Marshall – “exposed over and over again as an empty suit” just doesn’t seem like something he’d write – so I checked.
The Other Chuck
@J R in WV: My solution to making the web tolerable on Apple platforms is simply to use Chrome.
The Other Chuck
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
At which point, I would scream “So what if he was, you bigoted motherfucking shitstain?”
This is why I would have trouble interviewing such people.
Brachiator
@randy khan:
Thanks for the correction. I grabbed the wrong name when copying from my phone’s browser.
J R in WV
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Chris T.
@Matt McIrvin:
Sure.
The thing that gets me is why there’s such a focus on where the vagina was, when the baby emerged.
So: Joe and Mary, both Canadian citizens, were revisiting Niagara Falls when the twins were born. Mary happened to be astraddle the Canadian border, so of the twins Joshua and Bob, Bob is eligible to be president because he emerged on the New York side, but Joshua is not because he emerged on the Ontario side.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense!
Chris T.
@Chris T.: (BTW I know twins don’t come out simultaneously, I’m suggesting there was a slight wiggle in between the two births.)