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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / Breaking News: Explosion in the Chelsea Section of Manhattan

Breaking News: Explosion in the Chelsea Section of Manhattan

by Adam L Silverman|  September 17, 201610:51 pm| 133 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Events, Open Threads, Silverman on Security

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Something exploded in a dumpster at 23rd Street and 6th Avenue in the Chelsea area of Manhattan around 8:30 PM EDT tonight. As of now the estimates are that 26 are injured. The explosion, and the dumpster, were located in front of the VISIONS at Selis Manor facility for the blind. The NYPD and FDNY are on site and investigating. This is obviously a developing situation, the information on it is going to change over the next 24 – 72 hours and we’ll update as appropriate. Here’s a link to CBS NY’s live feed. Here’s a link to live radio coverage if you prefer. (h/t: Raw Story for both) And here’s CBS NY’s live feed as an embed:

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Update at 11:oo PM EDT

Josh Marshall at TPM, who lives right across the street from where the explosion occurred, provides important context and given the nature of the incident, I’m posting his entire post because its important context:

You may have seen news of an explosion in the Chelsea neighborhood of Manhattan tonight. The cause of the explosion is still unknown, though there’s a flood of speculation. As it happens, the place where the explosion occurred is literally directly across the street from my apartment. My family and I were about thirty miles away when this happened. TPM’s New York office is about three and a half blocks away.

As long as everyone’s talking about this, let me share a few details about the location. The building where this happened (or immediately in front of this building) is a large, old-style institutional home for the blind. Very large, probably hundreds of occupants. The ground floor of the building is also a voting location. For months there’s been some sort of low-intensity construction going on. There’s scaffolding over the sidewalk in front of the building and there’s usually at least one mega dumpster immediately in front of the building – one of those huge construction dumpsters that’s like 30 feet long.

I’ve seen suggestions that this area is a highly congested area or a place where there’s lots of night life on a Saturday evening. That’s not true. You could find places like there within a couple hundred yards, maybe closer – at least places where there are restaurants with outdoor seating on to the sidewalks. But there’s nothing like that at this location, not at this home for the blind obviously but also not anywhere on that block. Even though 23rd street is a major east-west artery in Manhattan, there actually wouldn’t be very many people at all on that street in that area mid-evening on a Saturday night.

Of course, it’s a major street in Manhattan. So everything is relative. But there just wouldn’t be that many people there. I’d say a relatively light amount of foot traffic – virtually all people on their way to somewhere else. But just not that many of them. There are likely even fewer in precisely that area because of the scaffolding which has a kind of tunnel through it that you walk under.

Because of this I’m not terribly surprised that there seem to be relatively small number of injuries simply because at 8 pm or thereabouts there just wouldn’t be that many people around.

I’ve also seen reports that this is a gay neighborhood with an active gay nightlife. That’s at least somewhat misleading. Chelsea is a historically gay neighborhood. (Allow me to use these unwieldy phrases, just to explain some basics about the area quickly. And let me state the obvious: I’m no expert on neighborhood gayness. I’m trying to give people who don’t know the area as much context as possible. Please read the following in that light.) But it’s less distinctly so than it used to be. And there are lots of areas of the west side of Lower Manhattan that could as easily be termed a ‘gay neighborhood’. There are clusters of gay bars on the avenues a bit further south and west. (The Stonewall Inn is maybe a mile and a half to the South.) But there’s no business or bar or anything else on that block that is gay-identified in any way. Point being, if someone had a beef with the gay community there’s nothing symbolic or iconic on that block or really anything particularly interesting at all besides a few barber shops, a deli, a Donkin’ Donuts and a pizza place.

So is Chelsea a gay neighborhood? Sure, by some definitions. There’s a large gay community. But if you’re talking about Chelsea today, Chelsea in relation to other contiguous neighborhoods or this particular block, there’s little about it that would make you think this location as opposed to a thousand other places on the West Side of Lower Manhattan might be targeted by people hostile to gays.

I’ll update more if and when it’s relevant.

Update at 11:08 PM EDT

I’ve updated the links to CBS NY and included/attempted an embed. Mayor de Blasio will be holding a press conference momentarily.

Update at 11:30 PM EDT

The NYPD CT Unit has tweeted out that there is no evidence of terrorism and no specific threat/targeting of Chelsea.

At this time there is no evidence of a terrorist connection and no specific threat to #NYC #Chelsea We remain on alert

— NYPDCounterterrorism (@NYPDCT) September 18, 2016

At Mayor de Blasio’s press conference, they have just indicated, as answer to the question if this was a bomb, that they do not yet know what caused the explosion, they are investigating, but they do believe this incident was intentional.

Update at 11:40 PM EDT:

NYPD CT Unit is now reporting 29 injured with one possibly critical:

There are now 29 injuries being reported. One may be critical. We remain on the scene. #NYPD #Chelsea #Vigilant

— NYPDCounterterrorism (@NYPDCT) September 18, 2016

Update at 11:45 PM EDT

CBS 2 NY is now reporting a second device has been found on 27th Street between 6th and 7th Avenues and that Mayor de Blasio indicates that the 8:30 explosion was deliberate.

Update at 12:05 AM EDT

NYPD has now indicated that it was not the dumpster that blew up/was blown up, but something inside a toolbox placed in front of the building:

Law enforcement official tells @AP #Chelseablast appears to have come from a construction toolbox in front of a building.

— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) September 18, 2016

Update at 12:25 AM EDT

Raw Story has linked to a tweet at NY City Alerts that “purports to show the explosion”

Video shows moment of IED Explosion at W 23 St & 6th Ave in Manhattan pic.twitter.com/O270bZWOzF

— New York City Alerts (@NYCityAlerts) September 18, 2016

And the NYPD has issued the following alert:

Please be advised of this update regarding the incident in Chelsea, NYC pic.twitter.com/Ux5dfBsj72

— NYPD NEWS (@NYPDnews) September 18, 2016

Update at 12:30 AM EDT

Dean Meminger, the Criminal Justice Reporter at NY 1 is now reporting:

Law enforcement sources tell me & #NY1 2nd device on 27th street is a pressure cooker, but #NYPD not sure if it is junk or an explosive yet.

— Dean Meminger (@DeanMeminger) September 18, 2016

Update at 12:35 AM EDT

And RT has already begun with the propaganda:

Just walked by @RT_com crew, correspondent said dramatically to camera, "There's a lot of panic in the streets" of NYC.

There is no panic.

— Eric Kleefeld (@EricKleefeld) September 18, 2016

Correct. Walked all around the area and locals + tourists curious about what happened, but quite calm. #Chelseablast https://t.co/2MNCHjKtRb

— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) September 18, 2016

Update at 12:50 AM EDT

MSNBC is now reporting that law enforcement (from three law enforcement sources)  is stating that the pressure cooker has tape, wire, and a cell phone on it. It is unclear if it is a legit device or just made to look threatening. This is why they are concerned about the pressure cooker and they are now trying to determine whether they want to do a controlled explosion on site with the mobile unit or try to remove it to the NYPD bomb squad facility. They are also reporting that NYPD believes that the surveillance footage from the area of the initial explosion has information on it identifying a person of interest.

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133Comments

  1. 1.

    Mnemosyne

    September 17, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    Is it definitely confirmed that it was a bomb and not a gas explosion?

    If so, I am glad the bomber was incompetent, and hope they get caught before their skills improve.

  2. 2.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 17, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    The jump to using the term “improvised explosive device (IED)” implies a whole lot more than is known. Something exploded, apparently in a dumpster. IED presses for all sorts of political interpretations.

  3. 3.

    Elizabelle

    September 17, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    Good to know the Bundys are not implicated.

    But send them snacks.

  4. 4.

    Miss Bianca

    September 17, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    Dang. You take a day and a night off from the Internetz and crazy shit just continues to go down.

  5. 5.

    joel hanes

    September 17, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    God help us all.

  6. 6.

    magurakurin

    September 17, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    I’d wager the investigators will turn to their domestic files soon on this one. Hell, I’d be looking for shitgibbon’s prints on the dumpster.

  7. 7.

    hitchhiker

    September 17, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Thank you. IED = MIddle East & war in the minds of most Americans.

    Also, report is that none of the injuries were serious.

  8. 8.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Whatever it was it blew up inside a dumpster. Here’s the link to the NYPD CT Unit’s twitter pic of the dumpster:
    https://twitter.com/NYPDCT/status/777325696150634501?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

  9. 9.

    Original Lee

    September 17, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    Mr. Original and two friends walked through that intersection at 8:00 PM. I got a text from him as soon as the Twitterverse started talking about it, to let me know they were all OK. I’m hoping the victims are all going to be OK.

  10. 10.

    Comrade Jake

    September 17, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    Let’s hold off on the IED talk. That has not been confirmed.

  11. 11.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Original Lee: so far 25 minor injuries and one serious one.

    Break

    OT: I got your email and responded.

  12. 12.

    redshirt

    September 17, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    Total nothingburger.

    What will the MSM make it out to be? What will Trump?

  13. 13.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Something was put in the dumpster that made it go boom. It is unclear what that was. But it certainly wasn’t normal garbage. What, exactly, would you call something that causes an explosion and is of unknown provenance? In my line of work we call that an IED.

  14. 14.

    Comrade Jake

    September 17, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    None of the injuries are being reported as life threatening. In all likelihood this is some kind of compressed gas canister that was tossed in a bin that was later set on fire. Calm the fuck down until we have all the facts.

  15. 15.

    Original Lee

    September 17, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks! I haven’t been checking email, obvs. but I’ll go do that now.

  16. 16.

    Ruckus

    September 17, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    It’s a pretty basic definition of an explosive device that is non military and it was pretty likely that it wasn’t a gas line, in a dumpster. So it’s use is, or should be OK. But our press has made it sound like an IED is a terrorist device only used by people of a certain religion so I get your point. Is it possible that something in the dumpster blew up, like, well I can’t think of anything normally one might find in a dumpster than might blow up on it’s own.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 17, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    So, motivation for this is what? Make noise and get attention? Strike at the vile cosmopolitans of NYC? Give the cheeto-faced shitgibbon some fresh red meat to toss at his drooling, deplorable fan base?

  18. 18.

    Comrade Jake

    September 17, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    Compare the carnage here to the Boston marathon bombings. You will note that there’s no comparison.

  19. 19.

    dmsilev

    September 17, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Ruckus: As I understand it, the dumpster is at a construction site, so it’s not impossible that someone screwed up and tossed a propane cylinder or whatever that wasn’t completely empty and something else ruptured the tank.

  20. 20.

    Comrade Jake

    September 17, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    It’s probably just a goddamn Samsung 7.

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 17, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @Ruckus:

    But our press has made it sound like an IED is a terrorist device only used by people of a certain religion so I get your point.

    What Captain James T Kirk put together to take out the Gorn Captain in the TOS episode “Arena” was an IED.

    But of course, the MSM wouldn’t call it that because Kirk is not a member of that particular religion that has it out to destroy this country heart and soul, at least if you listen to the likes of the shitgibbon and his vile Christianist running mate.

  22. 22.

    magurakurin

    September 17, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I’ll go with number 3, Vanna. If I were a cop, I’d be checking Uday and Qusay’s alibis right about now.

  23. 23.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 17, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @Comrade Jake: WIN!

  24. 24.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 17, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Hitchhiker @7 is right: IED = Middle Eastern wars in most people’s minds. It’s what comes to mine immediately.

    “Improvised” implies intent. Josh Marshall says that construction was ongoing at the site. A gas cylinder, a can of paint thinner could explode in a dumpster. We won’t know if there was intent until we know what the explosive was.

    ETA: Comrade Jake @20 has another possibility.

  25. 25.

    redshirt

    September 17, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @Comrade Jake: LOL. Most likely explanation.

  26. 26.

    dmsilev

    September 17, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @magurakurin: They’d be more likely to be shooting up the zoo for trophies, so it probably wasn’t them.

  27. 27.

    magurakurin

    September 17, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @dmsilev: I love this place.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Comrade Jake: No doubt there is no comparison. We clearly have some sort of explosive/incendiary and we don’t know what it is yet. That, by definition, is an IED. If it really hurts your tender fee fees, I’ll change it above.

  29. 29.

    Pinacacci

    September 17, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Do you think JMM was being sent a message? It’s right across the street from his house…and things are getting crazy out there.
    ETA
    And it’s a polling place, too. And if people think elections are rigged…crazy but that’s what crossed my mind

  30. 30.

    Miss Bianca

    September 17, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Interesting – I expected the 5-minute NPR top of the hour blurb to have something about this. Instead I heard that we fucked up and bombed the wrong people in Syria. . And something about a guy shooting up a police car.

  31. 31.

    hovercraft

    September 17, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    One piece of good news, is that there are cameras everywhere, so they should be able to see who, what, where, when. One of the few benefits of being over-surveilled.

  32. 32.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @Pinacacci: Highly doubtful.

  33. 33.

    Ruckus

    September 17, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @Comrade Jake:
    Wouldn’t that take the cake. Cell phones are evil.

  34. 34.

    hovercraft

    September 17, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    NYPD just tweeted possible second device at 27th and 7th.

  35. 35.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: He’s Jewish from Canada. I think that qualifies as a security threat.//

  36. 36.

    Ruckus

    September 17, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @dmsilev:
    Even so it takes a lot to do that much damage. A dumpster is not an insignificant piece of steel, unless it was rusted through. It would have to be cylinder with more than a little propane left. Maybe a 25 pound cyl.

  37. 37.

    amk

    September 17, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @redshirt: well, donnie dick has already claimed it’s a BOMB!!!. So, there is that.

  38. 38.

    Pinacacci

    September 17, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: good because that would be truly scary. thanks

  39. 39.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: I don’t/can’t control what goes through people’s minds.

  40. 40.

    ruemara

    September 17, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @Comrade Jake: Ok, I lol’ed. I hate to say it, but it’s more likely to be our homegrown idjits striking against negros and liberals than anything else. Except our crap infrastructure.

  41. 41.

    lamh36

    September 17, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    Been off interwebs all day, what’s this about an explosion in NJ this morning or something? RWNJ on Twitter keep referencing it?

  42. 42.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @lamh36: They found a pipe bomb along the route for a foot race to raise fund for injured veterans in Seaside, NJ. The race was cancelled and the device was dealt with by the bomb squad. The FBI has lead on the investigation. There is no indication that they’re related at this time.

  43. 43.

    hovercraft

    September 17, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Miss Bianca:
    I’m surprised, the Syria story has been out all day, though there was an emergency Security Council meeting tonight. And the guy who shot up the police car I think was a homeless man living out of his car, who lost it after they put a boot on his car. Maybe it was pre- recorded.

  44. 44.

    Comrade Jake

    September 17, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: lol – it doesn’t hurt my feelings. Improvised implies deliberate. We just don’t have confirmation of that yet.

  45. 45.

    mike in dc

    September 17, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    The placement may be as significant as the nature of the device itself. That’s my only insight on a Saturday night.

  46. 46.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 17, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: We don’t know it wasn’t a gas cylinder or a phone. We don’t know that anyone improvised anything.

    ETA: The device found along a marathon route in New Jersey is being called a pipe bomb. It qualifies as an IED under the strict definition, but pipe bomb is more descriptive and avoids the connotations noted above.

  47. 47.

    PsiFighter37

    September 17, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    Didn’t realize I live so close to Josh Marshall…I live one block away. They have cordoned off a lot of the immediate surrounding blocks. Lots of fire trucks and police out there. My wife and I were at dinner with friends and thus were fortunate to have not been there. We could have easily walked by this exact location on our way to dinner an hour earlier.

  48. 48.

    redshirt

    September 17, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @mike in dc: I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an attempt at Josh. Given the climate of this race so far and the followers of Trump, would such a thing be that surprising?

    Or a statement to Josh.

  49. 49.

    hovercraft

    September 17, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Comrade Jake:
    DeBlasio said it appears it was intentional.

  50. 50.

    redshirt

    September 17, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @PsiFighter37: Wow that’s close. Did you hear or smell anything?

  51. 51.

    lamh36

    September 17, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: oh…ok…yeah I actually heard about that

  52. 52.

    mike in dc

    September 17, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    People were injured but only one very seriously, as I understand it. That suggests that the bomb’s power was partly contained by the dumpster. So, I don’t think we’re looking at the work of an experienced professional bomb maker.

  53. 53.

    Mnemosyne

    September 17, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    Wasn’t there a case in NYC a few years ago that had people all in a tizzy about possible terrorism and it turned out the guy had tried to blow up his brownstone so his soon-to-be-ex wife wouldn’t get it in their divorce?

  54. 54.

    PsiFighter37

    September 17, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @redshirt: I was not in the neighborhood when the explosion happened. No real smell by the time I got back either (which was 10 minutes ago). They are not letting pedestrians anywhere close to the actual scene.

  55. 55.

    Ruckus

    September 17, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    The definition doesn’t say anything about an IED being deliberately placed or set off. It is something that explodes that is not a military device. A propane cylinder punctured by something is still an IED, even if it was not intended to be one. And while a phone, especially as I understand it an S7, can catch on fire, while being charged I’ve never seen a working electrical outlet in a dumpster and that’s not an explosion in any event and a real working cell phone is not big enough to do that to a plastic wheelie bin if it did explode, let alone a steel dumpster.
    ETA I’ve been using military device but an explosion at a quarry or a mine would be a case of a non military device that was also not an IED. It would be a planned explosion with controls and a working aim.

  56. 56.

    Princess (now General) Leia

    September 17, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    Interesting that Trump knew it was a bomb before anyone else had confirmed it…….

  57. 57.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @Miss Bianca: @hovercraft: I think the Syria incident is a set up. Just before the cease fire was going into effect, unmarked fighters, attacked positions. Those were either Russian or Syrian Air Force and the Russians need attention diverted from it. CENTCOM has stated that they notified the Russians of the targeting plan through the new deconfliction center:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37398721

    It would not surprise me if this is Putin’s way of furthering his Information Operations and Psychological Operations to denigrate and delegitimize the US. Hence the immediate, emergency Security Council meeting and the claims before it started that the US has broken the ceasefire. It is important to note/remember that Putin has stated that Russia and the US are at war and that war began several years ago with his seizing Crimea. And this past January the new Russian security assessment named the US as a threat to its national security:
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/unpacking-russias-new-national-security-strategy

    And he’s been making statements that the US is pushing Russia into World War III:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_756685035&feature=iv&src_vid=8PgSX-WD96Q&v=nQzRGeWQmtg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PgSX-WD96Q

    So this could all be part of his maskirovka.

  58. 58.

    magurakurin

    September 17, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @amk: yeah, well he set it off, so he should know.

  59. 59.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @Comrade Jake: Actually NYPD at Mayor de Blasio’s press conference indicated that the explosion was deliberate. They just don’t have any idea who is responsible or why.

  60. 60.

    hovercraft

    September 17, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Don’t know, but Brian Williams said a couple of years ago, in the same neighborhood there was another dumpster explosion after chemicals were thrown away together into a [email protected]Princess (now General) Leia:
    We are still waiting for alibis for Uday and Qusay.

  61. 61.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: NYPD has, again, indicated it was deliberate, though they’re still trying to figure things out.

  62. 62.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 17, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @Ruckus: Note 7, not S7.

  63. 63.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @redshirt: Unlikely it was either.

  64. 64.

    The Dangerman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    They just don’t have any idea who is responsible or why.

    Wasn’t there an old SNL skit about the Young Republicans evolving into a terrorist organization? OK, it was SNL, but still seems like a reasonable place to start.

  65. 65.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    September 17, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Deadbeat Donnie announced that he saw Canyon Muslins celebrating the explosion in Manhattan all the way in Colorado.

  66. 66.

    hilts

    September 17, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Words of wisdom from Don Lemon

    “Keep the speculation to a minimum”

  67. 67.

    Ruckus

    September 17, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    So this could all be part of his maskirovka.

    That and supporting Donnie.

  68. 68.

    PsiFighter37

    September 17, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @hilts: Ha, there’s no way Don Lemon is smart enough to say something like that without contradicting himself within 5 minutes of saying that.

  69. 69.

    Ruckus

    September 17, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    Sorry. my bad. At least I got the number right.

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    CBS 2 NY is now reporting a second device has been found on 29th Street and that Mayor de Blasio indicates that the 8:30 explosion was deliberate.

  71. 71.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @The Dangerman: I don’t watch SNL so I couldn’t say.

  72. 72.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 17, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Ruckus:
    Perhaps that is how some people understand “IED.” But the word “improvised” implies human agency. So a propane cylinder deliberately punctured could be considered an IED. But a propane cylinder that explodes in a fire, unless the fire was planned as a way to explode the cylinder, isn’t an IED by the plain meanings of the words represented by the acronym.

    It’s possible that in some military or police jargon, IED has come to mean “explosive” or “bomb.” That would be too bad.

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Ruckus: Actually he came out with an implicit endorsement today.

  74. 74.

    lamh36

    September 17, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    ‏@KThomasDC 4m4 minutes ago
    HRC: “I think it’s always wiser to wait until you have information before making conclusions” bc we are in beginning stages.

    @albamonica
    HRC’s full statement on the NY, NJ and MN incidents today:

    I’m with HRC. With that, I’m going back to my bed. I’m sure there will be more and better information in the morning.

    Night BJ.

  75. 75.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    September 17, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    TFW a Trump parody account about the explosion is being retweeted because no one can tell the difference:

    DonaId J. Trump
    ‏@realDenaldTrump

    When the only diff btw the ridiculously idiotic utterances of a clown & that of a parody acct is the check mark: BAD

  76. 76.

    Ryan

    September 17, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    I suspect a false flag operation. After all, there is only one candidate in this race who has any relations at all to a Chelsea of any persuasion.

    Does this not approach the level of strategery of Hair Furor’s campaign staff?

  77. 77.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: From the DOD Dictionary:
    http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/dod_dictionary/data/i/10302.html

    Joint Publication (JP) 3-15.1:

    improvised explosive device

    (DOD) A weapon that is fabricated or emplaced in an unconventional manner incorporating destructive, lethal, noxious, pyrotechnic, or incendiary chemicals designed to kill, destroy, incapacitate, harass, deny mobility, or distract. Also called IED.
    Source: JP 3-15.1

  78. 78.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @lamh36: OT: did you get my email response and did it make sense?

  79. 79.

    amk

    September 17, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    @lamh36: but, but … ambulance chasing is sooo much fun.

  80. 80.

    Mike J

    September 17, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    So the current theory they were after Josh Marshall?

    They call him Natasha but he looks like Elsie.

  81. 81.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 17, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Thank you. Agrees with me. “Fabricated or emplaced.” Intentionality.

    ETA: They’re now saying it was in a toolbox in front of the building, not a dumpster. There goes a beautiful metaphor.

  82. 82.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 17, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Jesus. You are technically right. I have been a soldier and a lawyer. Terms of art in my professions don’t necessarily mean the same thing to the public. IED to the public means something bad to hurt our troops. Nothing more, nothing less.

  83. 83.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    September 17, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Here’s the parody account tweet blowing up twitter in disgust, because people think it’s really from Trump, LOL:

    DonaId J. Trump
    ‏@realDenaldTrump

    Many people are calling to congratulate me on the #Chelsea explosion. I don’t want congrats, but remember – I called it before anyone!

  84. 84.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    September 17, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: There are a few reports of S7 Edge fires, also too.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  85. 85.

    magurakurin

    September 17, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I don’t watch SNL so I couldn’t say.

    “but you are aware there is this show called SNL. And on this show they do comedy skits…”

    just kidding with you, boss. ;)

  86. 86.

    hilts

    September 17, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    Well, for a few moments Lemon seemed reasonable. He’s made more than his share of dumb comments over the years, but I’ll take him any day of the week over that smarmy scumbag Chris Matthews.

  87. 87.

    Robin Gittelman

    September 17, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @magurakurin: An island of sanity in an insane world. Plus snark. What’s not to love.

  88. 88.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 17, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    Time for bed in my time zone. We’ll know more tomorrow. Good night all!

  89. 89.

    Mike J

    September 18, 2016 at 12:01 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Galaxy 7? Pretty sure it was Galaxie 500 that was on fire.

  90. 90.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:01 am

    @magurakurin: Yes, I am aware. I have watched in on occasion and am familiar with some of the more famous skits.

  91. 91.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: If we’re still allowed to do Bill Cosby jokes, then technically I’m godammit!

  92. 92.

    lamh36

    September 18, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Adam L Silverman: yes I did thx. took me a minute but yeah it made sense after a re-read. thx

  93. 93.

    magurakurin

    September 18, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Robin Gittelman: plus the whole format is from a by-gone era. This is like the last supermarket in the world to still have price tags and cashiers punching in prices at the register. It will be a sad day when the metaphorical scanners get installed in here at this blog.

  94. 94.

    hovercraft

    September 18, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    That’s so comforting. The initial reaction from the US seemed rather contrite, with talk of possible victim families getting compensation. But then when Samantha Powers read her statement just prior to the meeting starting, her language was very harsh, to the point that the Russian Ambassador who had already gone in, came out of the meeting to come out and give an equally pugnacious response. I don’t see how any of this ends well. As far as war with Russia goes, Putin has said that the worst thing that happened in the 20 th century was the fall of the Soviet Union, and Perestroika. So he was never inclined to see us as anything other than a threat, and we didn’t help ourselves by expanding NATO to former Eastern Block nations. I’m not sure how much of that worldview is based on cynicism, by keeping us as the bogeyman, he is able to distract from his abuses of his people and his kleptocracy, and focus on Nationalism for the sake of National Security. Or was he so steeped in the KGB mentality that he truly believes we have designs on his country. I think he’s just a greedy authoritarian thug. All we need to add to this mess is President Trump to fix it all.

  95. 95.

    magurakurin

    September 18, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @Adam L Silverman: did you watch the video clip? I couldn’t help myself. And just want to add, I appreciate all you do here. Your insight is invaluable.

  96. 96.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    September 18, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Mike J: It wasn’t mine, but it sure looked like it.

    (My uncle gave me a ’74 Galaxie 500 2-door with that beautiful rust-brown color.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  97. 97.

    JerryN

    September 18, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Actually, 27th St. between 6th & 7th. (about 1/4 mile from the site of the explosion). I know there’s construction on that block and that the IED on 23rd was placed outside a construction site. So who knows, a pissed off contractor, a labor dispute, or mob enforcement are all plausible.

  98. 98.

    hovercraft

    September 18, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @hilts:
    Somethings up with him recently, he’s not been as dumb as usual.

  99. 99.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @JerryN: Thanks, my live feed was breaking up – I’ll adjust up top.

  100. 100.

    magurakurin

    September 18, 2016 at 12:06 am

    @JerryN: could be. If mob enforcement though, they are slipping. The other two seem likely.

  101. 101.

    magurakurin

    September 18, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: my Dad had a Galxie 500..Midnight Green. Everyone called it black. He hated that.

  102. 102.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @magurakurin: I watched the clip, but have also seen Pulp Fiction a couple of times.

  103. 103.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 18, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Being that the S7/S7 Edge has been out for over 6 months, there’s a good chance some folk are using cheep 3rd party batteries. The Note 7 is brand new and it’s all Samsung batteries.

  104. 104.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    September 18, 2016 at 12:08 am

    @Mike J: Sure, if Josh Marshall had an editor his columns would be three sentences long, but instead he’s an annoying (albeit eventually informative) read. But that’s no reason to blow him up.

    (Hoping for an easy recovery for all of the injured, and that authorities get this solved quickly.)

  105. 105.

    Peale

    September 18, 2016 at 12:11 am

    @hovercraft: trump will fix it. When Russia decides its time for Lithuanian Russians to rejoin the mother country, Trump will be asking how quickly he can exit NATO because Lithuania is too poor to pay for its own defense against a country much bigger than itself.

  106. 106.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:13 am

    @hovercraft: As I’ve written here before his own belief, partly rooted in Duginism, is based on revanchism. Specifically for the US and EU taking advantage of Russia after the Soviet Union fell and when it was economically, politically, and militarily weak. Russia is still economically and militarily weak, Politically it is and it isn’t.

    Give these a read:
    http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/brexit-and-confusion-putin-so-far-the-only-winner/
    http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/putins-view-from-the-%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C-fortress/
    http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com/bunker/winter-offensive-in-ukraine/

    If you scroll down to the bottom of the posts at those links and click on the Putin hyperlink, you’ll get several pages of very, very good and insightful analysis of what we’re dealing with.

  107. 107.

    Aleta

    September 18, 2016 at 12:21 am

    The confusion may be coming from Adam’s original post before 11 pm, which said the explosion was an IED or a bomb. Until just before the press conference, authorities were not saying whether it was an accidental explosion or a deliberate one. (Obviously, they have now said it was deliberate.)

    Adam Silverman says that “something that causes an explosion and is of unknown provenance…in my line of work (is called) an IED,” which to him would include possible accidental explosions. Journalistic use seems to be different. The terms that the NYPD used up until the press conference were also different, probably because of the public’s understanding of the meaning of IED, which Cheryl Rofer points out. (At the press conference they were still using the term deliberate but not IED; but I don’t know if that has changed or what the excited media is saying by now.)

  108. 108.

    frosty

    September 18, 2016 at 12:24 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Just wanted to say I appreciate your expertise.I’d say it’s odd to find it on a blog but it’s not the first time. Someone named fishgrease walked us through the BP blowout on dKos a few years ago.

    When people know their stuff it comes through pretty damn clearly.

  109. 109.

    hovercraft

    September 18, 2016 at 12:25 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Will do, not tonight though. Thanks.

  110. 110.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:26 am

    @Aleta: there are now reports, via Fox News, that the second device is a pressure cooker. It is unclear if this is a pressure cooker turned into an explosive/incendiary or if its just a pressure cooker someone threw out.
    https://twitter.com/NYCityAlerts/status/777359543365959680

    Update: Second possible device found is a pressure cooker. #Manhattan #ChelseaExplosion @FoxNews

  111. 111.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:26 am

    @frosty: Thanks for the kind words.

  112. 112.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 18, 2016 at 12:29 am

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam, at this time of night, you aren’t going to get detailed FP back-chat. You are more likely to get Russian language purists and such…

  113. 113.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:30 am

    @hovercraft: No worries, I wasn’t going to give a quiz.

  114. 114.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:31 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m sure. That’s why I posted the links and hovercraft can get to them when he or she likes. Had I not caught the breaking news, I wouldn’t even be here right now.

  115. 115.

    hovercraft

    September 18, 2016 at 12:35 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Listen wise guy, this asshole seems intent on destabilizing the world, so I’d like all the insight I can get on him. But right now I’m multitasking, and it’s late.

  116. 116.

    hovercraft

    September 18, 2016 at 12:36 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    She.

  117. 117.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:40 am

    @hovercraft: I wasn’t being a smartass this time! I reckoned you had better things to do tonight. Hell, had I not caught the reporting on breaking news, I wouldn’t be here right now! Also, as you can see in my latest update, RT has already started propagandizing.

    If you’ve not seen it, I also highly recommend Frontline’s episode on Putin:
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-way/

    And I highly recommend the following two books:
    https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Kleptocracy-Who-Owns-Russia/dp/1476795207/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474173504&sr=8-1&keywords=putin%27s+kleptocracy

    https://www.amazon.com/Man-Without-Face-Unlikely-Vladimir/dp/1594486514/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1474173568&sr=8-6&keywords=putin%27s+biography

    I’m working on the first one and have the second one teed up for when I’m done.

  118. 118.

    Mike J

    September 18, 2016 at 12:41 am

    Jason Linkins ‏@dceiver 45 minutes ago
    one indication that the Chelsea dumpster fire is terrorism will be if Bernard Kerik is banging Judith Regan in a nearby apt in 3 weeks time

  119. 119.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:42 am

    @hovercraft: Couldn’t remember and didn’t want to offend!

  120. 120.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:42 am

    @Mike J: Not Enough Eye Bleach!

  121. 121.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 12:48 am

    MSNBC is now reporting that law enforcement is stating that the pressure cooker has tape, wire, and a cell phone on it. It is unclear if it is a legit device or just made to look threatening. This is why they are concerned about the pressure cooker and they are now trying to determine whether they want to do a controlled explosion on site with the mobile unit or try to remove it to the NYPD bomb squad facility.

  122. 122.

    Peale

    September 18, 2016 at 1:00 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I figured it would be. No one in Chelsea would be keeping a seldom used piece of cookware in their small kitchens. I’m amazed that they found it since it really easy to find places to hide something that small.

  123. 123.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 1:01 am

    @Peale: Last time I was in Chelsea was in 2012. I don’t know the area well at all.

  124. 124.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 1:03 am

    @Peale: According to MSNBC they are, apparently, going to try to relocate the pressure cooker to their Bronx facility/gun range.

  125. 125.

    hovercraft

    September 18, 2016 at 1:07 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    You’re killing me here. But thanks.
    Goodnight, I’m escaping before you give me even more homework.

  126. 126.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 1:13 am

    @hovercraft: Just recommendations. The Frontline episode is 47 minutes or so well worth watching.

  127. 127.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 18, 2016 at 1:50 am

    @Adam L Silverman: William Shatner is Jewish from Canada. James Kirk is religion undetermined from Iowa. Which probably makes him as much a threat as William Shatner, now that I think about it.

  128. 128.

    Adam L Silverman

    September 18, 2016 at 2:04 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: He’s so shady we don’t even have good intel on him…

  129. 129.

    Oatler.

    September 18, 2016 at 5:35 am

    The Ricochet site, home of delicate intellectual John Yoo, has many delicate theories that it may have been Muslims or that Mean Lady. Look for thoughtful frowning analysis from Hugh Hewitt and Chuck Todd Sunday morning.

  130. 130.

    SP

    September 18, 2016 at 5:55 am

    One explosion at JMM’s house, which he says is 3.5 blocks from TPM’s office, then another device is found four blocks away. Don’t know if it’s four blocks in the right direction, but maybe he pissed off too many Trump supporters (read: Russians) with his psychoanalysis of Donald.
    Why would I think it’s a Trump supporter? Because the result was a dumpster fire.

  131. 131.

    CZanne

    September 18, 2016 at 5:58 am

    @JerryN: this makes sense, with addition of disgruntled employee or anti development/noise/construction crank. In the TV NYPD, someone would be cross-referencing right now. I’m not sure I trust them to live up to their fictional counterparts.

  132. 132.

    Lurking Canadian

    September 18, 2016 at 8:25 am

    It would be irresponsible to suggest that this will prove very useful for giving Sunday morning shows something to talk about besides Trump’s birther infomercial.

  133. 133.

    Big Picture Pathologist

    September 18, 2016 at 11:07 am

    @Mnemosyne:

    You remember correctly. It was an ER doc who also happened to be a wingnut (Nicholas Bartha).

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