Just a reminder — sign up to volunteer — just takes 30 seconds of your time and more worthwhile than worrying about some idiot said on twitter or TV.
2.
Punchy
If Donny Dumbass does find a way to win/steal this, does he just straight up loot the Treasury, or make a half-assed attempt to hide it? After seeing that he straight up rooked his own Foundation, I’m leaning to the former. I wonder how many billions he’d have to openly, unapologetically jack before a GOP-lead House drew up impeachment papers. My guess would be that there does not exist such a number.
@Punchy: Here’s a more depressing thought game: are there any crimes–period–that Trump would commit that would serve as an impetus for impeachment by the HoR? Theft? Absolutely not. Defying SCOTUS? He’d own that branch, so not possible. Re-enslaving Blacks? The South would throw parties for him. I believe there does not exist a single illegal action that would spur the GOP to take down their own man.
Party over country, Always. Cleek’s Law Corollary.
5.
gvg
@Punchy: he has a thin skin and no ability to think ahead. First time someone in Congress contradicts him, he would start attacking and would probably do something to screw with them financially. Then they would finally learn they can’t control him. They have their own special interests that they want to protect and Trump may seem pretty like a republican to us but he has no concept of being part of a group or party. He also doesn’t seem to get that our government is designed to NOT be a monarchy. That is what the founders rebelled against after all, and they did not recreate a new tyranny like so many other revolutions did. So he would try to loot something that some other republicans think is theirs, and then we would see impeachment. He fights with people. No matter how simular he is to them, he clearly doesn’t care about them. Its amazing how many don’t get this.
6.
Elizabelle
@Punchy: I don’t even want to think about Trump winning or what he would do, Punchy. It’s demoralizing.
And wasted time, IMHO.
Watch out. Time could be better spent working to elect Democrats. Can’t get that time back after November 9.
7.
Calouste
@Punchy: Richest person in the world is worth about $80 billion. So double that, that’s the target for that short-fingered fascist.
8.
Gindy51
@Punchy: If the GOP is anything like the repubs at my husband’s country club (I won’t set one foot in the place), they’d ask him to stay on forever.
True story, the manager that was running the place when he joined (Marcus) got busted for stealing cash, skimming, and other nefarious deeds. The idiots that ran the club actually ashed him to stay since they really “liked” him.
I was stunned, just flat out floored when my husband told me about it and I said they deserve every horrible thing they get if they do. They didn’t but they also did not bother to prosecute him OR inform his future employers of his actual character…
I wonder how many billions he’d have to openly, unapologetically jack before a GOP-lead House drew up impeachment papers.
All of them, Katie.
10.
Amir Khalid
I don’t think Trump can directly loot the US Treasury. Too many safeguards. But he’ll steer as much US Government business as he can towards a Trump company, or a company belonging to a friend of Trump. He’ll insert himself or the Trump Organization as some sort of intermediary into as many deals as he can to pocket a middleman’s share of the action. He’ll sell the very classy White House to the Trump Org, and have it renamed after him. And then refurnish it with furnishings and drapes made in China and distributed in the US by a Trump subsidiary. He’ll jack up the price for a night in the Lincoln Bedroom.
DC and the White House will be absolutely infested with the Donald’s professional peers — arrogant dicks with the business ethics of Mundungus Fletcher, Saddam Hussein’s sense of interior decor, and the vanity and arrogance of Donald himself.
11.
Doug R
He’d have about two years before we get another wave election like 2006
12.
Starfish
@liberal: Wow. Up until this point, he has come across as quite anti-Clinton so I am surprised to see this.
13.
Amir Khalid
@Calouste:
There must some unimaginably vast secret fortunes out there. I suspect Vladimir Putin is worth at least twice that (ETA:) US$80 billion estimate you cite.
14.
The Thin Black Duke
@Starfish: That’s because Booman is smart enough to realize that the Hillary Clinton in his head isn’t as dangerous as the Donald Trump he sees in the real world.
15.
Van Buren
@Face: This is a man who openly sided with the tanks over the protesters in Tiananmen Square. ..and 40% of the country sides with him. It really is scary how many people would end democracy in this country.
16.
Ian
@Calouste:
No one knows for sure but the rumor is that Putin is worth 200-300 billion$.
ETA: I see Amir is ahead of me.
17.
NR
Per recent polling, Hillary is behind in Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, and Nevada. Tied in Florida and Maine(!). Ahead in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. Ahead in Virginia but dropping there. Back ahead in Colorado, which is good.
Still way too close for comfort.
18.
liberal
@Starfish: He is anti-Clinton. As am I. But (speaking for myself, but I assume he’s the same), while Clinton is bad, Trump (plus R control of presidency plus congress) is orders of magnitude worse. Minus a million is still much, much worse than minus 10.
I myself don’t think it’s that likely that Trump will randomly push the button, or put his alt-right friends in charge of domestic intelligence. But the possibility isn’t trivial, either. And it’s almost certain he’ll be at least as right-wing as Bush 43, in which case no more federal lands (all given away to the states), USSC f*cked up for decades, SS/Medicare gutted, wasteful military spending jacked up.
So the choice is pretty obvious. Wish all the Stein-curious younger folk really thought hard and deep about how, while it sucks, first-past-the-post plus clear thinking only leaves one right course of action.
19.
germy
Notice the dropping of any pretenses and jumping on a word like ‘stupid’.
NY Times:Mr. Trump’s Stupid Excuses on Taxes By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
Which scenario would have most likely ended in a military Coup d’état – Sanders winning the election, or Trump winning the election?
22.
Betty Cracker
@liberal: What did he say? That giant wanker blocked me on Twitter (for a mildly sarcastic reply to Greenwald on a tweet to which he was also a party), so I can’t see the tweet.
23.
JPL
@germy: IMO, Sanders because Trump has the stormtroopers behind him.
I don’t think Trump can directly loot the US Treasury
He *could* directly loot the Federal Reserve. He can pack the district boards with his cronies and they in turn will appoint his cronies to the Open Market Committee. This can then authorize buying unlimited amounts of zero-interest 100-year-term Trump bonds issues by him.
Also, while he might have trouble *directly* looting the US Treasure, he would certainly offer preferential bidding treatment for his business, and for companies that make generous deals with his business. That’s how Cheney did it.
@Betty Cracker: What do you think of J D Vance? He has an op-ed lamenting HRC’s deplorable comments. I am as far away from Hillbilly as one can get so I have zero insight into that world.
When you predict that Clinton will underperform Mondale, do you mean she’ll get fewer than 13 electoral college votes, win a majority of the vote in fewer than two states, or that she’ll get less than 40% of the total popular vote nationwide?
You don’t have to love Hillary, but it would be nice if the people who do dislike her would stop assuming that nobody likes her just because they don’t like her. Many of us do like and admire her. Women especially can recognize what she’s achieved and be proud of her.
And being told that we’re just pretending to like and admire her is insulting. It’s like telling an Obama supporter they only like him because of “white guilt.”
@Omnes Omnibus: Are you calling our Military Industrial Complex pussies?
31.
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: Haven’t read his book, but I’ve seen his commentary a time or two. He strikes me as the new Jim Webb. I get impatient with the notion that we should walk on eggshells around hateful bigots because they’re downtrodden too. They are participating in their own marginalization. Boo-fucking-hoo.
32.
NR
@Chyron HR: I never said she would ubderperform Mondale. I said she was a worse candidate than he is. And she is. She just happens to be running against a worse candidate than Reagan.
@Betty Cracker: That’s what I thought too. I have little patience for self important fools irrespective of their origin. Good to have you confirm that! Husband kitteh says I ar too opinionated.
34.
Omnes Omnibus
@germy: No, I am saying that the US isn’t going to have a military coup.
35.
germy
@NR: She came to our town last year on her book tour. There was a line around the block waiting for autographs. Three morbidly obese people held protest signs across the street (one of them had a “don’t tread on me” tee-shirt, extra extra large of course). Every time I turn on the evening network news I hear the experts tell me what a bad candidate she is, how the young people aren’t “excited” but then they make the error of cutting to footage of one of her rallies, and people of all ages are cheering their heads off. Who should I believe? The corporate news, clever blog commenters like you, or my own lying eyes?
Oh goodie NR is here to tell us that Hillary sucks as a candidate. We have filed your concern under I don’t care. Kthxbai.
39.
Percysowner
@Face: You see, I think they might well impeach him. There are enough crimes surrounding his charity that they have cause. Frankly, they really don’t want a guy who is going to start a war that could actually destroy the world. So they impeach him. He resigns before the impeachment and Pence does the Gerald Ford pardon dance. Then they end up with MIKE PENCE as President. MIKE PENCE ends up naming Supreme Court Justices. He plays to the religious right base. He plays to the big money base. He plays to the restrict the blacks and browns from voting base. I think that Trump could well be impeached. There aren’t a lot of downsides. In fact for Trump the upside is, that he gets to be President, and gets a pardon on any and everything he’s done until now.
40.
hovercraft
@Calouste:
Ahem, Putin is reputed to worth over 200 billion, though since it’s all stolen there is no official tally. Since he is the person Trump looks up to most in the world, he will want to top that number. Then he will be the most powerful, richest, most handsome man in the world. Perhaps he has plans to become the worlds first ever trillionaire, then he would be the greatest person to ever live, perhaps even as great as Jesus.
41.
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker: I keep wondering what a guy who was educated at Yale has against his fellow Yalies. I guess because he’s busy re-positioning himself as a Sensitive New Age Good Old Boy.
@Percysowner: If they couldn’t stand up to him when he was political nobody in the primaries, they are not going to stand up to him after he becomes President. That’s wishful thinking on your part.
43.
Miss Bianca
@Percysowner: He would never resign. And a Republican-controlled Congress would never impeach. They’ve learned their lesson. Honor, a sense of public duty…at long last, No Decency can be allowed.
@Miss Bianca: Hillbillies is mean because Yalies is mean to them. Cry me a fucking river. This J D person’s wife is of Telugu Brahmin origin (My guess from the last name)
47.
hovercraft
@Amir Khalid:
Every summit will be at a Trump resort, all state dinners will be at Trump properties. He will live out of his hotel in DC, and will charge the government and media for using the facilities. He can grant contracts to his companies for everything all over the world. Our military will drink Trump water. And that’s just from Uncle Sam, imagine how much suckers will pay his kids to slap his name on crap everywhere, it will become as ubiquitous as Starbucks.
People trying to figure out what Trump is planning do not understand: Trump does not plan. He just reacts to stimulus like a pithed frog. It’s all con artist reflexes and a platoon of well-paid lawyers.
@hovercraft:
This is an ambition I’ll never understand. Why aspire to be a trillionaire? How many bespoke suits can you wear in a lifetime? How many gourmet meals can you eat? How many goldplated limos can you ride in? How many people can you order around? How many beautiful women can you, um, be with?
51.
Miss Bianca
@schrodinger’s cat: White Trash –oops, sorry, Hillbilly Non-Deplorable – marries a Brahmin? And he’s appointing himself a spokesman for Poor Downtrodden White People? LMAO – only in America!
@redshirt: sorry, can’t afford to get that drunk this early in the day.
54.
germy
@NR: Ah, yes the polls. Cold calling people who exclusively use landlines to communicate with their grandchildren. What better way to find out what the young people are thinking?
55.
NR
@Mnemosyne: Oh look, it’s the good old “everyone who’s against us is racist/sexist” argument.
Hey, I have a question. Since Hillary has lost support since the last time you made that argument, does that mean that people who were not previously racist/sexist have suddenly become racist/sexist in the last couple of weeks? Or did they just forget that they were racist/sexist and have now remembered?
I mean, since you’re obviously right that there can’t possibly be any other reason besides racism or sexism that people wouldn’t want to support Hillary, it must be one of those two options. So which is it? Has the country gotten more racist/sexist in the last couple of weeks, or did millions of Americans have a collective bout of amnesia that they’ve now recovered from?
@Miss Bianca: When he met her he realized that being a hillbilly in Yale is like being an immigrant.
57.
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
This.
They are finally getting a taste of what we’ve been dealing with forever, while at the same time voting for their demise. Why the hell do I have to have any sympathy for them? I’ve got my own problems, including how to ensure my kids car never breaks down, they don’t reach for their wallets, move furtively, talk back or are non responsive, drive while black, knock on a strangers door while black, have any outstanding traffic tickets, play in a playground, go out foe skittles, and a myriad other things that can get them killed.
58.
NR
@germy: The vast majority of polls these days are not limited to landlines only. Try again.
59.
JPL
Dear President Obama, my name is Alex youtube
There’s a message here and soon as I finish wiping my eyes, I’ll try to figure it out.
60.
hovercraft
@redshirt:
Are you saying we should prepare for a civil war when Trump is deposed?
61.
Amir Khalid
@NR:
Even more people dislike and distrust Trump. I’ve pointed this out before: when a bear is chasing you and a friend through the woods, you don’t need to outrun the bear; you just need to outrun your friend.
62.
germy
Do pollsters call cell phones?
Yes if they are dialing the numbers manually; No if a computer is doing the dialing. This fact means that people who have only a cell phone and no land line will be systematically excluded from polls with automatic dialing. Since cell-only people tend to be mostly young people, the pollsters intentionally overweight the 18-30 year olds to compensate for this effect, but as more people drop their landlines, it is becoming a serious issue.
63.
germy
We cancelled our landline about eight years ago. We all use cell phones. If I ever get a call on my cell phone from someone taking a poll, I’ll happily tell them I’m voting for Hillary. So far I haven’t gotten any calls.
64.
NR
@Amir Khalid: True, Trump is slightly to moderately more disliked than Hillary, however that does not change the fact that Hillary is very widely disliked in America, which the person I responded to claimed wasn’t true.
65.
hovercraft
@Amir Khalid:
Spoken like a normal human being without deep seated feelings of inadequacy. He hates himself so he needs more, more to prove he is good enough dammit!!
66.
NR
@germy: “I don’t understand how Nixon won, I don’t know anyone who voted for him!”
I expect him to follow the Putin playbook to the letter. This is not good news for us.
68.
germy
@NR: “I don’t like her, and I read online that other people don’t like her either! Stein for President!”
69.
hovercraft
@germy:
On top of that, several states passed laws outlawing robocalls to cell phones ( eating up too many minutes on plans), so the prohibitive cost prevent most pollsters from calling cell phones. I still have a landline, and strangely considering I live in Jersey, I’ve had calls from 3 different surveys this week. Go figure why anyone would waste their money.
It’s like being a crazy cat lady with 300 cats and counting, imo. Hoarding money is also a mental disorder if you can’t give up what you have and have an overwhelming compulsion to keep acquiring more and more.
But he’ll steer as much US Government business as he can towards a Trump company, or a company belonging to a friend of Trump. He’ll insert himself or the Trump Organization as some sort of intermediary into as many deals as he can to pocket a middleman’s share of the action. He’ll sell the very classy White House to the Trump Org, and have it renamed after him. And then refurnish it with furnishings and drapes made in China and distributed in the US by a Trump subsidiary. He’ll jack up the price for a night in the Lincoln Bedroom.
Every summit will be at a Trump resort, all state dinners will be at Trump properties. He will live out of his hotel in DC, and will charge the government and media for using the facilities. He can grant contracts to his companies for everything all over the world. Our military will drink Trump water.
These scenarios make Dick “Dick” Cheney look like a piker.
@NR: Jesus, you never stop. Not a single other topic you comment on then this one. What’s your goal? What are you trying to accomplish? Sanders lost, it’s over. Accept it and move on for Christ’s sake.
73.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: NR is here to tell us that the Democrat sucks. Just like in 2012. According to NR, the ACA sucked to back in 2010.
74.
Amir Khalid
@SiubhanDuinne:
Trump probably does consider Darth Cheney a piker, because he left so much loot on the table.
75.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: My vacuum cleaner sucks. It sucks Real Good. Unlike Democrats and the ACA, which apparently suck Real Bad.
@hovercraft: I get at least 3 calls a day. If I don’t recognize the number, I don’t answer. Early voting starts a week from today and I’ll hustle on down to the courthouse as soon as I can. Once I’ve voted, some of the calls will stop.
77.
NR
@redshirt: When people blatantly try to deny reality, I think it’s worth it to correct them, don’t you?
If Clinton wins, does that mean that your constant insistence that she’ll lose in a landslide is “blatantly denying reality”?
No, somehow I figured it wouldn’t be.
82.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
I see the MSM Mean Girls are back now Hillary is back on top in the polls. With that in mind I propose Balloon Juice has a contest for who can predict the most stupid article come November 9th. The best I can come up with is “Clinton victory raises concerns of Democratic Party’s future viability” or “House investigates possible negligence of President Hilary Clinton on 911; “Why was she not in the Whitehouse on that day?” ask House Speaker”, “Can Republicans work with a president from Illinois?” and I am sure that will pale next to the upcoming media frenzy of stupid.
83.
Omnes Omnibus
@Chyron HR: NR would say she still was a bad candidate and we should start looking for someone to replace her in 2020.
84.
Betty Cracker
@Iowa Old Lady: I don’t think I’ve ever received a pollster call on my cell phone. When we had a landline, we used to get them, and if I answered, I’d participate.
85.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Face: I could see the GOP House impeaching Trump for attacking them for being not Pro-Trump enough and generally being a disaster. That way they could pose as national saviors and get the more GOP friendly Pence as president.
Remember Johnson was a Republican president impeached by Republicans.
86.
japa21
@NR: Clinton’s unfavorable numbers have been dropping. Now down to 52%, which is hardly a large majority of the country. Trump’s, meanwhile, have been climbing.
And as far as worse candidate, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Dole were all worse.
I see the MSM Mean Girls are back now Hillary is back on top in the polls. With that in mind I propose Balloon Juice has a contest for who can predict the most stupid article come November 9th.
“Universally Disliked Democrat Wins By A Squeaker – Was Trump Wrong To Refer To Her Vagina As A Squeaker?”
“Most Unpopular Woman In Modern History Wins Historic Election – Can She Govern Without A Clear Mandate?”
90.
Betty Cracker
@Omnes Omnibus: But you’ve gotta admit Stillwell Angel is very data-driven! He won’t show up to wave his DOOM placards until President Hillary Clinton slips in the post-election polls because science!
So he would try to loot something that some other republicans think is theirs, and then we would see impeachment. He fights with people. No matter how simular he is to them, he clearly doesn’t care about them. Its amazing how many don’t get this.
Yep, this. I thought he would also violate some privilege of the Senate and that would get their dander up.
ETA: Having Pence at the top instead would be highly attractive.
He’s gone up about two points in the last few weeks per the same site, yes. Which is good. However he’s at 60%, which is not that much higher than Hillary.
@Betty Cracker: I have both a landline and a cell, and I do get more calls on the landline, but I get them on my cell too. Since I stopped answering weeks ago, I’m not sure if they’re pollsters or GOTV or whatever.
94.
japa21
@NR: Different aggregators have different results. RCP has her at 54% but latest poll has her at 52%, However, even stretching it to say she is at 56% is still not a large majority of the country. A slim majority, maybe. I fully expect her favorability numbers to rise over the next few week.
95.
Elizabelle
Listening to McCrory’s presser in Charlotte.
He mentioned the National Guard is in Charlotte (or en route), but also deployed elsewhere, assisting with major flooding elsewhere in the state.
Reminding me of yet another reason to vote him out: all these “100 year floods” that are happening so damn frequently.
We need peeps who will try to ameliorate climate change, not just suck up $$$ from plutocrats.
@NR: Maybe if you were more positive and not such a negative Nelly.
Change starts with you!
98.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Amir Khalid: Trump’s old and facing his death. Being the Most Awesome Presidents in History(tm) is a form of immortality. Even if he sucks so bad as to put GW in the shade Trump gets his name in the history books.
@Elizabelle: As it happens, I am currently under flood warning here in the middle of Iowa. It rained 10 inches overnight in an area north of us and the water is coming our way. My power flickered but came back, but Mr IOL called to say the power is out at the engineering center where he works.
@Elizabelle: Not usually. Spring is our flood season. But climate scientists predict this part of the country will be warmer and wetter in the future. We don’t water our grass and it’s stayed green and springy all summer.
My house is far from the Cedar River, but the prediction is that it will crest 8 inches over flood level, so someone’s going to get wet.
106.
Elizabelle
Listening to CNN (only cable news channel available). They just covered that woman from Mahoning County, Ohio, who gave the insane interview printed in The Guardian. You could see the [Guardian] reporter’s surprise at what emanated from her mouth.
They left out one of the money quotes (about blacks being “given all these things”), but it was a lengthy excerpt. CNN summed it up saying that the Trump campaign distanced itself really fast from her, that she’s not involved in any way going forward, and again, the Trump campaign acted quickly and that’s a really good sign about his campaign.
Um, OK. Little bit of positive spin that’s totally unwarranted there. Thumb on the scale lightly for Trump, even while you’ve just made the point that his campaign attracts these types.
107.
FlipYrWhig
@Betty Cracker: I’m old enough to remember when J. D. Vance was called “Mudcat Saunders.” Oh, it’s not the same guy, just the same shtick? Well, that changes nothing.
108.
Elizabelle
@Iowa Old Lady: Yeah. I thought it was usually spring and summer.
May you be high and dry.
Are Iowans who did not usually need it getting flood insurance? I’d sure have it if I was in Louisiana or anywhere pretty low. So unpredictable these days. Added expense, but when you need it …
109.
Kay
We had a retired common pleas judge donate a thousand for the local headquarters. That’s the entire operating cost.
I wrote him a nice note. Now he has to call me and thank me for the note, because those are the rules :)
That’s it though. I don’t have to write a note and thank him for the note call. After call on note we;’re done.
110.
Patricia Kayden
@Elizabelle: True. I’m hoping Clinton is able to increase her lead after Monday night. It’s impossible to speculate on a Trump presidency. It’s better to focus on not letting that happen.
111.
Betty Cracker
@FlipYrWhig: Ugh, Mudcat. Haven’t seen that walking Hee-Haw rummage sale on my TV in a while and have enjoyed the absence immensely. I can’t believe anyone ever took that grifter seriously.
@Elizabelle: I don’t know who buys flood insurance. Where I live, the river banks are mostly commercial development. However, there’s a stretch of river that floods every spring, and it’s mostly green zone. A few old houses used to be along there, but after one bad flood, the govt (is it possible this was FEMA?) bought them.
Just read it. Weak sauce. Dredges up PBO’s late grandmother, who was occasionally afraid of young black men. Well all right. That negates what Hillary said. Maybe the reader comments will be better.
PBO’s quote, per JD Vance: [his grandmother was] “a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
Who doesn’t have relatives or friends like that, or regret one’s own previous comments, actions and assumptions?
Issue is degree, and Vance slides right past that in lumping us all into that basket.
JD Vance would not last six minutes against Ta-Nehisi Coates, who pointed out that the media declined to look into whether Hillary’s “deplorables” comment was wrong. (It is not. Neither was PBO’s comment about bitter and clinging to guns and religion. JD Vance no doubt had something to say about that.)
One campaign is attracting voters with truly repellent views, through repellent comments and campaigning that requires constant “clarifications”, and is worrying people outside the US. One campaign, JD.
@Elizabelle: For people who object to political correctness, Trump’s followers freaked out easily over being called deplorable. And seriously, how can you look at some of them and not say they’re deplorable?
Cruised the NYT reader comments, and the majority take Trump to task for horrible speech. They didn’t buy JD Vance’s literal whitewash.
116.
Earl
In for $150. Is it worthwhile to go to the midwest and volunteer door to door? I guess I could burn the vacation time, but it’s an expensive thing to do (hotel + car rentals)…
117.
Ian
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
Johnson was a Tennesse Democrat. In 1864 he and Lincoln ran on the ‘Union” party ticket.
118.
Elizabelle
Tulsa police officer who shot unarmed man is being charged with first degree manslaughter.
Progress. Betty Shelby gets her day in court.
119.
Betty Cracker
@Elizabelle: I thought it was interesting that she is the only cop Trump deigned to criticize. His message has been consistently pro-cop around all the other police shootings. I wonder what it is about that particular cop that allowed him to consider the possibility that police officers aren’t uniformly virtuous?
120.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: She’s an Okie? How many more guesses do I get?
BR
Just a reminder — sign up to volunteer — just takes 30 seconds of your time and more worthwhile than worrying about some idiot said on twitter or TV.
Punchy
If Donny Dumbass does find a way to win/steal this, does he just straight up loot the Treasury, or make a half-assed attempt to hide it? After seeing that he straight up rooked his own Foundation, I’m leaning to the former. I wonder how many billions he’d have to openly, unapologetically jack before a GOP-lead House drew up impeachment papers. My guess would be that there does not exist such a number.
liberal
From someone who loves Hillary about as much as I do (but also concedes the immense importance of her winning.
Face
@Punchy: Here’s a more depressing thought game: are there any crimes–period–that Trump would commit that would serve as an impetus for impeachment by the HoR? Theft? Absolutely not. Defying SCOTUS? He’d own that branch, so not possible. Re-enslaving Blacks? The South would throw parties for him. I believe there does not exist a single illegal action that would spur the GOP to take down their own man.
Party over country, Always. Cleek’s Law Corollary.
gvg
@Punchy: he has a thin skin and no ability to think ahead. First time someone in Congress contradicts him, he would start attacking and would probably do something to screw with them financially. Then they would finally learn they can’t control him. They have their own special interests that they want to protect and Trump may seem pretty like a republican to us but he has no concept of being part of a group or party. He also doesn’t seem to get that our government is designed to NOT be a monarchy. That is what the founders rebelled against after all, and they did not recreate a new tyranny like so many other revolutions did. So he would try to loot something that some other republicans think is theirs, and then we would see impeachment. He fights with people. No matter how simular he is to them, he clearly doesn’t care about them. Its amazing how many don’t get this.
Elizabelle
@Punchy: I don’t even want to think about Trump winning or what he would do, Punchy. It’s demoralizing.
And wasted time, IMHO.
Watch out. Time could be better spent working to elect Democrats. Can’t get that time back after November 9.
Calouste
@Punchy: Richest person in the world is worth about $80 billion. So double that, that’s the target for that short-fingered fascist.
Gindy51
@Punchy: If the GOP is anything like the repubs at my husband’s country club (I won’t set one foot in the place), they’d ask him to stay on forever.
True story, the manager that was running the place when he joined (Marcus) got busted for stealing cash, skimming, and other nefarious deeds. The idiots that ran the club actually ashed him to stay since they really “liked” him.
I was stunned, just flat out floored when my husband told me about it and I said they deserve every horrible thing they get if they do. They didn’t but they also did not bother to prosecute him OR inform his future employers of his actual character…
Roger Moore
@Punchy:
All of them, Katie.
Amir Khalid
I don’t think Trump can directly loot the US Treasury. Too many safeguards. But he’ll steer as much US Government business as he can towards a Trump company, or a company belonging to a friend of Trump. He’ll insert himself or the Trump Organization as some sort of intermediary into as many deals as he can to pocket a middleman’s share of the action. He’ll sell the very classy White House to the Trump Org, and have it renamed after him. And then refurnish it with furnishings and drapes made in China and distributed in the US by a Trump subsidiary. He’ll jack up the price for a night in the Lincoln Bedroom.
DC and the White House will be absolutely infested with the Donald’s professional peers — arrogant dicks with the business ethics of Mundungus Fletcher, Saddam Hussein’s sense of interior decor, and the vanity and arrogance of Donald himself.
Doug R
He’d have about two years before we get another wave election like 2006
Starfish
@liberal: Wow. Up until this point, he has come across as quite anti-Clinton so I am surprised to see this.
Amir Khalid
@Calouste:
There must some unimaginably vast secret fortunes out there. I suspect Vladimir Putin is worth at least twice that (ETA:) US$80 billion estimate you cite.
The Thin Black Duke
@Starfish: That’s because Booman is smart enough to realize that the Hillary Clinton in his head isn’t as dangerous as the Donald Trump he sees in the real world.
Van Buren
@Face: This is a man who openly sided with the tanks over the protesters in Tiananmen Square. ..and 40% of the country sides with him. It really is scary how many people would end democracy in this country.
Ian
@Calouste:
No one knows for sure but the rumor is that Putin is worth 200-300 billion$.
ETA: I see Amir is ahead of me.
NR
Per recent polling, Hillary is behind in Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, and Nevada. Tied in Florida and Maine(!). Ahead in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. Ahead in Virginia but dropping there. Back ahead in Colorado, which is good.
Still way too close for comfort.
liberal
@Starfish: He is anti-Clinton. As am I. But (speaking for myself, but I assume he’s the same), while Clinton is bad, Trump (plus R control of presidency plus congress) is orders of magnitude worse. Minus a million is still much, much worse than minus 10.
I myself don’t think it’s that likely that Trump will randomly push the button, or put his alt-right friends in charge of domestic intelligence. But the possibility isn’t trivial, either. And it’s almost certain he’ll be at least as right-wing as Bush 43, in which case no more federal lands (all given away to the states), USSC f*cked up for decades, SS/Medicare gutted, wasteful military spending jacked up.
So the choice is pretty obvious. Wish all the Stein-curious younger folk really thought hard and deep about how, while it sucks, first-past-the-post plus clear thinking only leaves one right course of action.
germy
liberal
@The Thin Black Duke: Billmon, not Booman.
germy
Which scenario would have most likely ended in a military Coup d’état – Sanders winning the election, or Trump winning the election?
Betty Cracker
@liberal: What did he say? That giant wanker blocked me on Twitter (for a mildly sarcastic reply to Greenwald on a tweet to which he was also a party), so I can’t see the tweet.
JPL
@germy: IMO, Sanders because Trump has the stormtroopers behind him.
Fair Economist
@Amir Khalid:
He *could* directly loot the Federal Reserve. He can pack the district boards with his cronies and they in turn will appoint his cronies to the Open Market Committee. This can then authorize buying unlimited amounts of zero-interest 100-year-term Trump bonds issues by him.
Also, while he might have trouble *directly* looting the US Treasure, he would certainly offer preferential bidding treatment for his business, and for companies that make generous deals with his business. That’s how Cheney did it.
schrodinger's cat
@Betty Cracker: What do you think of J D Vance? He has an op-ed lamenting HRC’s deplorable comments. I am as far away from Hillbilly as one can get so I have zero insight into that world.
germy
@JPL:
Good point.
Chyron HR
@NR:
When you predict that Clinton will underperform Mondale, do you mean she’ll get fewer than 13 electoral college votes, win a majority of the vote in fewer than two states, or that she’ll get less than 40% of the total popular vote nationwide?
Mnemosyne
@liberal:
You don’t have to love Hillary, but it would be nice if the people who do dislike her would stop assuming that nobody likes her just because they don’t like her. Many of us do like and admire her. Women especially can recognize what she’s achieved and be proud of her.
And being told that we’re just pretending to like and admire her is insulting. It’s like telling an Obama supporter they only like him because of “white guilt.”
Omnes Omnibus
@germy: Neither.
germy
@Omnes Omnibus: Are you calling our Military Industrial Complex pussies?
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: Haven’t read his book, but I’ve seen his commentary a time or two. He strikes me as the new Jim Webb. I get impatient with the notion that we should walk on eggshells around hateful bigots because they’re downtrodden too. They are participating in their own marginalization. Boo-fucking-hoo.
NR
@Chyron HR: I never said she would ubderperform Mondale. I said she was a worse candidate than he is. And she is. She just happens to be running against a worse candidate than Reagan.
schrodinger's cat
@Betty Cracker: That’s what I thought too. I have little patience for self important fools irrespective of their origin. Good to have you confirm that! Husband kitteh says I ar too opinionated.
Omnes Omnibus
@germy: No, I am saying that the US isn’t going to have a military coup.
germy
@NR: She came to our town last year on her book tour. There was a line around the block waiting for autographs. Three morbidly obese people held protest signs across the street (one of them had a “don’t tread on me” tee-shirt, extra extra large of course). Every time I turn on the evening network news I hear the experts tell me what a bad candidate she is, how the young people aren’t “excited” but then they make the error of cutting to footage of one of her rallies, and people of all ages are cheering their heads off. Who should I believe? The corporate news, clever blog commenters like you, or my own lying eyes?
Mnemosyne
@NR:
You know, there is an interesting parallel between Clinton and Mondale: they each had a groundbreaking woman on their ticket.
But misogyny doesn’t exist, so I’m sure that didn’t have any effect on the end result of the Mondale/Ferraro ticket’s success, amirite?
nonynony
@NR: I remember Mondale. I’m not seeing how she’s worse than Mondale. Care to elaborate?
I wouldn’t even mark her as worse than Dukakis, who was significantly better than Mondale in my memories.
schrodinger's cat
Oh goodie NR is here to tell us that Hillary sucks as a candidate. We have filed your concern under I don’t care. Kthxbai.
Percysowner
@Face: You see, I think they might well impeach him. There are enough crimes surrounding his charity that they have cause. Frankly, they really don’t want a guy who is going to start a war that could actually destroy the world. So they impeach him. He resigns before the impeachment and Pence does the Gerald Ford pardon dance. Then they end up with MIKE PENCE as President. MIKE PENCE ends up naming Supreme Court Justices. He plays to the religious right base. He plays to the big money base. He plays to the restrict the blacks and browns from voting base. I think that Trump could well be impeached. There aren’t a lot of downsides. In fact for Trump the upside is, that he gets to be President, and gets a pardon on any and everything he’s done until now.
hovercraft
@Calouste:
Ahem, Putin is reputed to worth over 200 billion, though since it’s all stolen there is no official tally. Since he is the person Trump looks up to most in the world, he will want to top that number. Then he will be the most powerful, richest, most handsome man in the world. Perhaps he has plans to become the worlds first ever trillionaire, then he would be the greatest person to ever live, perhaps even as great as Jesus.
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker: I keep wondering what a guy who was educated at Yale has against his fellow Yalies. I guess because he’s busy re-positioning himself as a Sensitive New Age Good Old Boy.
schrodinger's cat
@Percysowner: If they couldn’t stand up to him when he was political nobody in the primaries, they are not going to stand up to him after he becomes President. That’s wishful thinking on your part.
Miss Bianca
@Percysowner: He would never resign. And a Republican-controlled Congress would never impeach. They’ve learned their lesson. Honor, a sense of public duty…at long last, No Decency can be allowed.
Cynical? Moi?
The Thin Black Duke
@liberal: Oops.
NR
@germy:
Maybe the polls, which have consistently shown that a large majority of the country dislikes her for many months now?
schrodinger's cat
@Miss Bianca: Hillbillies is mean because Yalies is mean to them. Cry me a fucking river. This J D person’s wife is of Telugu Brahmin origin (My guess from the last name)
hovercraft
@Amir Khalid:
Every summit will be at a Trump resort, all state dinners will be at Trump properties. He will live out of his hotel in DC, and will charge the government and media for using the facilities. He can grant contracts to his companies for everything all over the world. Our military will drink Trump water. And that’s just from Uncle Sam, imagine how much suckers will pay his kids to slap his name on crap everywhere, it will become as ubiquitous as Starbucks.
WereBear
People trying to figure out what Trump is planning do not understand: Trump does not plan. He just reacts to stimulus like a pithed frog. It’s all con artist reflexes and a platoon of well-paid lawyers.
redshirt
@hovercraft: Crassus wept.
Amir Khalid
@hovercraft:
This is an ambition I’ll never understand. Why aspire to be a trillionaire? How many bespoke suits can you wear in a lifetime? How many gourmet meals can you eat? How many goldplated limos can you ride in? How many people can you order around? How many beautiful women can you, um, be with?
Miss Bianca
@schrodinger’s cat: White Trash –oops, sorry, Hillbilly Non-Deplorable – marries a Brahmin? And he’s appointing himself a spokesman for Poor Downtrodden White People? LMAO – only in America!
redshirt
@NR: “Favorability polls”!
Drink!
Miss Bianca
@redshirt: sorry, can’t afford to get that drunk this early in the day.
germy
@NR: Ah, yes the polls. Cold calling people who exclusively use landlines to communicate with their grandchildren. What better way to find out what the young people are thinking?
NR
@Mnemosyne: Oh look, it’s the good old “everyone who’s against us is racist/sexist” argument.
Hey, I have a question. Since Hillary has lost support since the last time you made that argument, does that mean that people who were not previously racist/sexist have suddenly become racist/sexist in the last couple of weeks? Or did they just forget that they were racist/sexist and have now remembered?
I mean, since you’re obviously right that there can’t possibly be any other reason besides racism or sexism that people wouldn’t want to support Hillary, it must be one of those two options. So which is it? Has the country gotten more racist/sexist in the last couple of weeks, or did millions of Americans have a collective bout of amnesia that they’ve now recovered from?
schrodinger's cat
@Miss Bianca: When he met her he realized that being a hillbilly in Yale is like being an immigrant.
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
This.
They are finally getting a taste of what we’ve been dealing with forever, while at the same time voting for their demise. Why the hell do I have to have any sympathy for them? I’ve got my own problems, including how to ensure my kids car never breaks down, they don’t reach for their wallets, move furtively, talk back or are non responsive, drive while black, knock on a strangers door while black, have any outstanding traffic tickets, play in a playground, go out foe skittles, and a myriad other things that can get them killed.
NR
@germy: The vast majority of polls these days are not limited to landlines only. Try again.
JPL
Dear President Obama, my name is Alex youtube
There’s a message here and soon as I finish wiping my eyes, I’ll try to figure it out.
hovercraft
@redshirt:
Are you saying we should prepare for a civil war when Trump is deposed?
Amir Khalid
@NR:
Even more people dislike and distrust Trump. I’ve pointed this out before: when a bear is chasing you and a friend through the woods, you don’t need to outrun the bear; you just need to outrun your friend.
germy
germy
We cancelled our landline about eight years ago. We all use cell phones. If I ever get a call on my cell phone from someone taking a poll, I’ll happily tell them I’m voting for Hillary. So far I haven’t gotten any calls.
NR
@Amir Khalid: True, Trump is slightly to moderately more disliked than Hillary, however that does not change the fact that Hillary is very widely disliked in America, which the person I responded to claimed wasn’t true.
hovercraft
@Amir Khalid:
Spoken like a normal human being without deep seated feelings of inadequacy. He hates himself so he needs more, more to prove he is good enough dammit!!
NR
@germy: “I don’t understand how Nixon won, I don’t know anyone who voted for him!”
gogol's wife
@hovercraft:
I expect him to follow the Putin playbook to the letter. This is not good news for us.
germy
@NR: “I don’t like her, and I read online that other people don’t like her either! Stein for President!”
hovercraft
@germy:
On top of that, several states passed laws outlawing robocalls to cell phones ( eating up too many minutes on plans), so the prohibitive cost prevent most pollsters from calling cell phones. I still have a landline, and strangely considering I live in Jersey, I’ve had calls from 3 different surveys this week. Go figure why anyone would waste their money.
bemused
@Amir Khalid:
It’s like being a crazy cat lady with 300 cats and counting, imo. Hoarding money is also a mental disorder if you can’t give up what you have and have an overwhelming compulsion to keep acquiring more and more.
SiubhanDuinne
@Amir Khalid:
@hovercraft:
These scenarios make Dick “Dick” Cheney look like a piker.
redshirt
@NR: Jesus, you never stop. Not a single other topic you comment on then this one. What’s your goal? What are you trying to accomplish? Sanders lost, it’s over. Accept it and move on for Christ’s sake.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: NR is here to tell us that the Democrat sucks. Just like in 2012. According to NR, the ACA sucked to back in 2010.
Amir Khalid
@SiubhanDuinne:
Trump probably does consider Darth Cheney a piker, because he left so much loot on the table.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: My vacuum cleaner sucks. It sucks Real Good. Unlike Democrats and the ACA, which apparently suck Real Bad.
Iowa Old Lady
@hovercraft: I get at least 3 calls a day. If I don’t recognize the number, I don’t answer. Early voting starts a week from today and I’ll hustle on down to the courthouse as soon as I can. Once I’ve voted, some of the calls will stop.
NR
@redshirt: When people blatantly try to deny reality, I think it’s worth it to correct them, don’t you?
amk
Don’t feed the one note trump troll.
Amir Khalid
@NR:
Why? it hasn’t worked on you.
NR
@Amir Khalid: What reality have I denied?
Chyron HR
@NR:
If Clinton wins, does that mean that your constant insistence that she’ll lose in a landslide is “blatantly denying reality”?
No, somehow I figured it wouldn’t be.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
I see the MSM Mean Girls are back now Hillary is back on top in the polls. With that in mind I propose Balloon Juice has a contest for who can predict the most stupid article come November 9th. The best I can come up with is “Clinton victory raises concerns of Democratic Party’s future viability” or “House investigates possible negligence of President Hilary Clinton on 911; “Why was she not in the Whitehouse on that day?” ask House Speaker”, “Can Republicans work with a president from Illinois?” and I am sure that will pale next to the upcoming media frenzy of stupid.
Omnes Omnibus
@Chyron HR: NR would say she still was a bad candidate and we should start looking for someone to replace her in 2020.
Betty Cracker
@Iowa Old Lady: I don’t think I’ve ever received a pollster call on my cell phone. When we had a landline, we used to get them, and if I answered, I’d participate.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Face: I could see the GOP House impeaching Trump for attacking them for being not Pro-Trump enough and generally being a disaster. That way they could pose as national saviors and get the more GOP friendly Pence as president.
Remember Johnson was a Republican president impeached by Republicans.
japa21
@NR: Clinton’s unfavorable numbers have been dropping. Now down to 52%, which is hardly a large majority of the country. Trump’s, meanwhile, have been climbing.
And as far as worse candidate, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Dole were all worse.
Shell
Remember that loathsome quote from the 80s? “He who dies with the most toys wins.”
Wins what? And you’re still just as dead, tho probably with some happier heirs than most.
NR
@Chyron HR: You do understand the difference between the future and right now, right?
germy
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
“Universally Disliked Democrat Wins By A Squeaker – Was Trump Wrong To Refer To Her Vagina As A Squeaker?”
“Most Unpopular Woman In Modern History Wins Historic Election – Can She Govern Without A Clear Mandate?”
Betty Cracker
@Omnes Omnibus: But you’ve gotta admit Stillwell Angel is very data-driven! He won’t show up to wave his DOOM placards until President Hillary Clinton slips in the post-election polls because science!
catclub
@gvg:
Yep, this. I thought he would also violate some privilege of the Senate and that would get their dander up.
ETA: Having Pence at the top instead would be highly attractive.
NR
@japa21:
She’s at 56% per the polling averages and has been steady there for a month or so.
He’s gone up about two points in the last few weeks per the same site, yes. Which is good. However he’s at 60%, which is not that much higher than Hillary.
Iowa Old Lady
@Betty Cracker: I have both a landline and a cell, and I do get more calls on the landline, but I get them on my cell too. Since I stopped answering weeks ago, I’m not sure if they’re pollsters or GOTV or whatever.
japa21
@NR: Different aggregators have different results. RCP has her at 54% but latest poll has her at 52%, However, even stretching it to say she is at 56% is still not a large majority of the country. A slim majority, maybe. I fully expect her favorability numbers to rise over the next few week.
Elizabelle
Listening to McCrory’s presser in Charlotte.
He mentioned the National Guard is in Charlotte (or en route), but also deployed elsewhere, assisting with major flooding elsewhere in the state.
Reminding me of yet another reason to vote him out: all these “100 year floods” that are happening so damn frequently.
We need peeps who will try to ameliorate climate change, not just suck up $$$ from plutocrats.
NR
@japa21:
I’m not sure what would precipitate this, but I hope you are right.
redshirt
@NR: Maybe if you were more positive and not such a negative Nelly.
Change starts with you!
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Amir Khalid: Trump’s old and facing his death. Being the Most Awesome Presidents in History(tm) is a form of immortality. Even if he sucks so bad as to put GW in the shade Trump gets his name in the history books.
Iowa Old Lady
@Elizabelle: As it happens, I am currently under flood warning here in the middle of Iowa. It rained 10 inches overnight in an area north of us and the water is coming our way. My power flickered but came back, but Mr IOL called to say the power is out at the engineering center where he works.
Percysowner
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: ABC Reporter Asks Hillary Clinton Whether She’d Take Neurological Tests
Percysowner
And since I can’t edit in Firefox I’ll note that the buttons appear in Safari just fine. And I can edit as well
hovercraft
@Shell:
He might construct a new pyramid, after all it was good enough for the pharaohs.
Kathleen
@Betty Cracker: Billmon is insufferable. I just had to say that for no good reason.
Elizabelle
@Iowa Old Lady: Be safe and be dry, IOL. Hope all goes well.
Do you get a lot of rain and flooding in early fall?
Iowa Old Lady
@Elizabelle: Not usually. Spring is our flood season. But climate scientists predict this part of the country will be warmer and wetter in the future. We don’t water our grass and it’s stayed green and springy all summer.
My house is far from the Cedar River, but the prediction is that it will crest 8 inches over flood level, so someone’s going to get wet.
Elizabelle
Listening to CNN (only cable news channel available). They just covered that woman from Mahoning County, Ohio, who gave the insane interview printed in The Guardian. You could see the [Guardian] reporter’s surprise at what emanated from her mouth.
They left out one of the money quotes (about blacks being “given all these things”), but it was a lengthy excerpt. CNN summed it up saying that the Trump campaign distanced itself really fast from her, that she’s not involved in any way going forward, and again, the Trump campaign acted quickly and that’s a really good sign about his campaign.
Um, OK. Little bit of positive spin that’s totally unwarranted there. Thumb on the scale lightly for Trump, even while you’ve just made the point that his campaign attracts these types.
FlipYrWhig
@Betty Cracker: I’m old enough to remember when J. D. Vance was called “Mudcat Saunders.” Oh, it’s not the same guy, just the same shtick? Well, that changes nothing.
Elizabelle
@Iowa Old Lady: Yeah. I thought it was usually spring and summer.
May you be high and dry.
Are Iowans who did not usually need it getting flood insurance? I’d sure have it if I was in Louisiana or anywhere pretty low. So unpredictable these days. Added expense, but when you need it …
Kay
We had a retired common pleas judge donate a thousand for the local headquarters. That’s the entire operating cost.
I wrote him a nice note. Now he has to call me and thank me for the note, because those are the rules :)
That’s it though. I don’t have to write a note and thank him for the note call. After call on note we;’re done.
Patricia Kayden
@Elizabelle: True. I’m hoping Clinton is able to increase her lead after Monday night. It’s impossible to speculate on a Trump presidency. It’s better to focus on not letting that happen.
Betty Cracker
@FlipYrWhig: Ugh, Mudcat. Haven’t seen that walking Hee-Haw rummage sale on my TV in a while and have enjoyed the absence immensely. I can’t believe anyone ever took that grifter seriously.
Iowa Old Lady
@Elizabelle: I don’t know who buys flood insurance. Where I live, the river banks are mostly commercial development. However, there’s a stretch of river that floods every spring, and it’s mostly green zone. A few old houses used to be along there, but after one bad flood, the govt (is it possible this was FEMA?) bought them.
Elizabelle
@FlipYrWhig: Mudcat Saunders. LOL.
Here’s link to JD Vance’s op ed; from NY Times: “When It Comes to Baskets, We’re All Deplorable”
Just read it. Weak sauce. Dredges up PBO’s late grandmother, who was occasionally afraid of young black men. Well all right. That negates what Hillary said. Maybe the reader comments will be better.
PBO’s quote, per JD Vance: [his grandmother was] “a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”
Who doesn’t have relatives or friends like that, or regret one’s own previous comments, actions and assumptions?
Issue is degree, and Vance slides right past that in lumping us all into that basket.
JD Vance would not last six minutes against Ta-Nehisi Coates, who pointed out that the media declined to look into whether Hillary’s “deplorables” comment was wrong. (It is not. Neither was PBO’s comment about bitter and clinging to guns and religion. JD Vance no doubt had something to say about that.)
One campaign is attracting voters with truly repellent views, through repellent comments and campaigning that requires constant “clarifications”, and is worrying people outside the US. One campaign, JD.
Coates: Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn’t Wrong About Trump’s Supporters
Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters were prejudiced. If anything, her numbers are too low.
Iowa Old Lady
@Elizabelle: For people who object to political correctness, Trump’s followers freaked out easily over being called deplorable. And seriously, how can you look at some of them and not say they’re deplorable?
Elizabelle
@Iowa Old Lady: Yup. Bit thin skinned there, no?
Cruised the NYT reader comments, and the majority take Trump to task for horrible speech. They didn’t buy JD Vance’s literal whitewash.
Earl
In for $150. Is it worthwhile to go to the midwest and volunteer door to door? I guess I could burn the vacation time, but it’s an expensive thing to do (hotel + car rentals)…
Ian
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
Johnson was a Tennesse Democrat. In 1864 he and Lincoln ran on the ‘Union” party ticket.
Elizabelle
Tulsa police officer who shot unarmed man is being charged with first degree manslaughter.
Progress. Betty Shelby gets her day in court.
Betty Cracker
@Elizabelle: I thought it was interesting that she is the only cop Trump deigned to criticize. His message has been consistently pro-cop around all the other police shootings. I wonder what it is about that particular cop that allowed him to consider the possibility that police officers aren’t uniformly virtuous?
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: She’s an Okie? How many more guesses do I get?
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: She is a she. Would have gotten off easier if she were a he.
schrodinger's cat
@Iowa Old Lady: Yeah they can go around calling people poisoned skittles, zombies and rapists, but no one dare call them names.
Felonius Monk
@Iowa Old Lady:
Actually that’s complimentary. Deplorable is probably the only nice thing you can say about them.
Elizabelle
@Betty Cracker: Those wimmens.
I wonder if the decision to prosecute came so quickly because of the unrest in Charlotte. Of course, Tulsa was experiencing peaceful protests too.
The police will be a lot better off if they get the unskilled and unsuitable off the force, or at least off calls.
Tamir Rice’s death still haunts. That was getting away with murder.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat: You may want to take in your snark detector for repairs.
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Will do? I hurt my heel while working out. Pain makes the snark detector malfunction,
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat: Ouch.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
I kicked in a little. The thermometer graphic seems to update very slowly…
Cheers,
Scott.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@bemused: It’s not whether one can spend it all or not, the point is to have more than one’s “peers”. It’s a status thing.
Cheers,
Scott.
Doug!
Thanks everybody!