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Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Trumpflation is an intolerable hardship for every American, and it’s Trump’s fault.

“I was told there would be no fact checking.”

When they say they are pro-life, they do not mean yours.

Stop using mental illness to avoid talking about armed white supremacy.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Sometimes the world just tells you your cat is here.

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“woke” is the new caravan.

Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

Polls are now a reliable indicator of what corporate Republicans want us to think.

This fight is for everything.

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When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

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  3. 3.

    Chyron HR

    (they’re replaying the debate as a feed within the feed while waiting for the rally to begin)

    We need to go deeper.

  5. 5.

    Dork

    @Punchy: and wearing white after Labor Day? Colossal misjudgement of the body politic and an egregious display of disregard for fashion normalcy. This is going to destroy her support amongst people who wear clothes.

  9. 9.

    hovercraft

    @Shell:
    He has two events today, one I think was FL or NC, and then he’ll be in Chicago tonight

    Hillary’s crowd is certainly revved up, and she’s feeling it. On cloud nine from last night.

  12. 12.

    Corner Stone

    @Dork:

    This is going to destroy her support amongst people who wear clothes.

    Thankfully, I am immune to this line of attack.

  13. 13.

    hovercraft

    @Roger Moore:
    Oh I know, usually I don’t venture into the swamps, but when I went there, for some reason the chat window was open right next to the feed.

  20. 20.

    Schlemazel

    Good energy from the crowd. I think Hillz won the whole damn thing last night. Gawd but I do hope that inflamed orange asshole skips the rest of the debates.

  22. 22.

    Miss Bianca

    Aww, I love how she is talking about her mother.

    “Kindness”…honestly, how can people talk about about how HRC doesn’t seem “human” to them? And Trump does? WTF is up with people in this country?

  23. 23.

    Jeffro

    She’s talking about the coarseness of our political dialogue and the need to reassert our fundamental connections (as citizens/Americans)

    Sign me up! That’s the kind of work I could do all day every day. The country needs it.

  24. 24.

    Punchy

    @Corner Stone: I’d love to see her Press Secretary start every single presser of her first month in office by looking directly at Chuck Turd and announcing, “She’s only adequately prepared today, Charles”.

    Then punch him in the nuts and curb stomp that goatee.

  27. 27.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @Miss Bianca: IMHO, kindness is an underrated virtue. I used to think it was sort of routine and conventional, rather like politeness. But I’ve come to see how hard it is to be kind. In the context of family, I swear it’s sometimes downright heroic. As frequently happens, the depth of what Clinton is saying is not obvious.

  31. 31.

    sigaba

    @hovercraft: I recently booted up StarCraft II after a long hiatus (Stupid work). The chat channel on the home screen is basically a wall of VOTE TRUMP. I’m really kind of developing a spiritual revulsion to people who play video games.

  33. 33.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @JPL: She’s not wearing the white outfit in that video. The pic at the top of this page must be older.

    Oh, hee. Clinton just referred to Mark Cuban as a “real” billionaire.

  35. 35.

    Jeffro

    @JPL: She sounds like a leader with a vision, with values, with a plan.

    It dawned on me that a lot of pundits – heck, even PBO – are saying that Trump “didn’t prepare”. Even bigger picture, it’s not that he didn’t prepare, it’s that there’s no ‘there’ there. There was no need to have him rehearse his policy positions because he doesn’t really have anything other than his own ego and need for attention.

    So it’s no wonder that he “didn’t prepare” – how do you prepare when you don’t really exist as much of anything, much less anything of value?

  36. 36.

    pamelabrown53

    @Punchy: #4
    Of all the inane commentary those who said she was “over prepared” deserve the most ridicule. I can’t believe that there are far too many folks who believe we should hand over our country to an unprepared, carnival barker.

  39. 39.

    Miss Bianca

    @Jeffro: Goes back to the point Adam made last night, about the only things that matter in a candidate being their policies, and their ways, means and strategies for implementing them. She has policies. Trump has none.

  40. 40.

    Wapiti

    @Corner Stone: Oooh, nice. If “Overprepared” is the top of the chart, what’s the bottom? “Still More Prepared than Trump”?

    ETA: here’s my five:

    Top of Her Game
    Overprepared
    Prepared
    Adequately Prepared
    Still Better than Trump

  41. 41.

    hovercraft

    She reused the taxes line from last night, he hasn’t contributed to the military, vets, schools, healthcare.

  42. 42.

    Calouste

    @Corner Stone: Keep in mind that Chuckles spend 4 years in college but didn’t graduate. Preparation (for exams for example) is probably not his strongest point.

  43. 43.

    D58826

    Hate to be a skunk at the picnic even as I enjoy watching ‘old little hands’ get his ass beaten in but. This guy has more lives than Wiley E. Coyote. Coming out of the convention and his comments on the judge and the Kahn family, among other things, he was as much as 12 points down. Now it looks like the race is near to a dead heat. I understand all of the caveats about the polls and post convention bounces but he did wipe out most of the difference. He is still the same buffoon that he was in August but stands a much better chance of winning in November than any sane person would like to see.
    My point – last nights performance may not cost him anything in the polls. In fact he may even gain since he was playing fear factor and the ‘I can fix it’ card. Even if he takes a 1 or 2 point hit the race is still to close and he has come back from the political dead to often. Best to keep the bubbly on ice for a few more weeks .

  45. 45.

    Jeffro

    @Miss Bianca:

    She has policies. Trump has none.

    So, kind of a Jefferson-Burr thing, then?
    #Hamiljoke

    But yeah, that’s basically it. Would love to see Hillz call him out on it: “He’s offering you nothing but his magical strongman powers…when all the actual evidence, every bit of his history tells us he’s conning us, that he’ll just stick us with the bill as usual”

  49. 49.

    piratedan

    well, the “overprepare” thing may just be the ticket.. I mean goddamn, dude you’re running to be the elected leader of the United States and you couldn’t even be arsed to have an understanding of the basics? Sure, I can understand how the “the burn it all down” crowd would love that shit (right up to the point where their shit was burned down too) because it doesn’t take a whole lot of intellectual curiosity to throw a fucking torch.

    But anyone else who has a set of firing synapses would prefer someone who has a fucking clue and reasons for doing what they’re doing versus, electing the grown up Eric Cartman to run things for them.

  51. 51.

    hovercraft

    @D58826:
    Even the pundits who said she won made the point that it will only garner her 1 to 2 points in the end. The most important thing about last night is that we’re all excited about it. Democrats wee at first complacent, then we became depressed over the polls tightening up so much. Her performance last night has democrats really excited, head over to almost any left site today and you can see we are energized by it. The GOS is filled with Hillary love today, not the usual split between pro and anti Hillary diaries. We all needed a nice positive shot to help us GOTV and volunteer.

  52. 52.

    D58826

    @JMG: Oh I’m enjoying the show. I’m just a born pessimist. I’m also a phillies fan and remember the last two weeks of the 1964 pennant race. the two go together

  54. 54.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @sigaba: WoW trade chat is infested with Drumpfenproles as well, but there are sane voices daring to challenge the pathetic little shits. I expect to just spam “He got beat by a girl” over and over again today.

  55. 55.

    nonynony

    @D58826: Keep your expectations in line – Republicans will not be swayed by Clinton’s performance or Trump’s flailing, so Trump will continue to have 45% of the vote eventually locked up.

    Last night was a signal to Democrats who aren’t enthused or are on the fence about protest voting this year. Trump is awful, Clinton is a fighter, she’s got plans and policies and you’re going to like them. What Trump has you won’t like. Come on off the fence and join the winning team, etc. etc. Good for 1-2 points, maybe a few more if it sinks in with younger voters and older Boomer/GenX leftists who are thinking about sitting this one out exactly what kind of a once-in-a-lifetime threat Trump is to our way of life in this country. (I actually expect it to sink in better with the younger voters than the older leftists to be honest).

  56. 56.

    Hal

    @hovercraft: Completely anecdotal, but I noticed an uptick in Facebook posts about how Clinton and Trump are basically different sides of the same coin. Not the usual if only we had Bernie he would be clobbering Trump. It just makes me think that even some Bernie or busters are acknowledge how well Clinton did, even if they still want to shit on her success.

  57. 57.

    peach flavored shampoo

    I can’t believe that there are far too many folks

    As I told the spouse last nite, almost every other adult person you see on the streets wants this. Nearly. Every. Other. Person. Wants. Trump. Anarchy.

    And if you’re in the Deep South, probably closer to 4 out of 5. They’re not going to take kindly to losing.

  58. 58.

    hovercraft

    From Tpm

    ByEsme CribbPublishedSeptember 27, 2016, 2:12 PM EDT

    More than 80 million people watched the first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton on Monday night, making it the most watched debate in history.

    According to Nielsen research cited in a CNN report, an average of 80.9 million viewers watched the debate across 12 of the channels carrying it live.

    Nielsen research does not take into account viewers watching outside of their homes, and the total viewer count does not incorporate ratings for PBS or C-SPAN.

    In addition, more than 2.5 million viewers watched the debate via live streams on YouTube, according to the CNN report.

  59. 59.

    piratedan

    @D58826: true… you’re absolutely right but we do have a better understanding of what the current set of goal-posts are mounted at… sure the fourth estate doesn’t have any issues with helping along a sexist, racist, fascist know nothing, but they draw the line at being used as free advertising. Now that we know that, and the guy in the power suit STILL doesn’t get it as he was shilling for his properties even during the debate, they will more or less call a liar a liar (unless they’re already in the pocket of the other team… see Faux, Drudge, Breitbart, CNBC). Which means that Hillary just has to be Hillary in public, speak to the people of the country and the rest of the pissed off media will essentially let her do so with out any additional knee-capping (although this may not apply to the NY Times because… she ran over their dog, with a forklift).

  60. 60.

    Logan Brown

    It’s good to see Gov. Hunt there. The Once and Future Governor has emerged from Wilson during our time of need. I have always proudly identified myself as a Jim Hunt Democrat

  62. 62.

    Elizabelle

    Thank you for the link. Listened to the whole speech. She’s on her game, good message, the crowd sounded enthusiastic and attentive. (I didn’t watch the video; prefer to listen as visuals are often distracting.)

  67. 67.

    shortribs

    @D58826: Trump does seem to have 9 lives with the media, but last night 80 (or more) million people watched him ramble incoherently, entirely unfiltered by the media.

  70. 70.

    dr. luba

    @gogol’s wife:

    The exception is Hamilton videos and Shirley Temple videos. They have sweet, heartwarming comments.

    Not sure about Hamilton, but the Shirley Temple comments are not all heartwarming…….sadly. YouTube commenters can find perversion in anything.

  73. 73.

    hovercraft

    That One Time Trump Told the Truth During the Debate
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    September 27, 2016 12:41 PM

    Given Donald Trump’s history of lying during this campaign, it doesn’t come as much of a surprise to anyone that he told a bunch of whoppers last night that kept the fact-checkers busy. But I thought that his most outrageous lie of the night was actually preceded by a moment of truth.

    Just as he did a couple of weeks ago, Trump doubled down last night on lying about his role in the whole birther movement. He blamed it all on Clinton and said that she failed to get President Obama to release his birth certificate. Trump thinks he deserves credit for forcing the issue. He said, “But I was the one that got him to produce the birth certificate. And I think I did a good job.” In other words, he is proud of the fact that he is the one who got the first African American president of this country to release his long-form birth certificate. A statement like that indicates that either the Republican nominee hasn’t talked to many African Americans – or he doesn’t care what they think. For example, here’s Wesley Lowery:

    I would also remind you once again of the video Baratunde Thurston made the day the President released his birth certificate.

    When Lester Holt pressed the issue with Trump last night and asked – in the context of a discussion about racial healing – what Trump would say to African Americans, the candidate had a rare moment of honesty.

    Well, it was very — I say nothing. I say nothing, because I was able to get him to produce it. He should have produced it a long time before. I say nothing.

    In other words, on the one thing Trump has done in the last decade that most offended African Americans, he’s got nothing to say when it comes to healing the divide. I take him at his word on that one.

    Of course, the very next words out of Trump’s mouth were – in my mind – the most outrageous lies of the night.

    But let me just tell you. When you talk about healing, I think that I’ve developed very, very good relationships over the last little while with the African-American community. I think you can see that.

    And I feel that they really wanted me to come to that conclusion. And I think I did a great job and a great service not only for the country, but even for the president, in getting him to produce his birth certificate.

    The reason I call that the most outrageous is that it is not only a lie. It is also one of the most racist things to come out of the mouth of a presidential candidate in decades. It created a moment when Michelle Obama’s exhortation that “when they go low, we go high” was beyond me.

    Video has bad language.

  76. 76.

    Tim C.

    @sigaba: Amen….. Won’t go into details, but I shut off General Chat in most MMO games I play these days and quit guilds at the first sign of asshattery along those lines.

    Liberals tend to, but aren’t always, quiet and recognize that the game environment is *NOT* a productive place to argue about this.

  78. 78.

    nonynony

    @peach flavored shampoo:

    As I told the spouse last nite, almost every other adult person you see on the streets wants this. Nearly. Every. Other. Person. Wants. Trump. Anarchy.

    Naw – you’re misreading it.

    First of all, in this screwy country, only somewhere between half and 2/3rds of the people who can vote actually vote. This is mostly because the other half to 1/3rd assume that things will continue on as they were and think their vote really doesn’t matter. It isn’t that they want Trump, they just assume that Trump would be no worse than anyone else in that position. This makes them kind of stupid and very ignorant, but it doesn’t make them people who want anarchy.

    Second of all that 45% of people who vote who will vote Republican no matter what – a chunk of them don’t want Trump either. They just don’t want a Democrat to win it and their only alternative is Trump. Why don’t they want a Democrat? They have their reasons – none of them good and many of them revolving around them being “single issue voters” (abortion, guns, taxes). They also assume that Trump would be no worse than, say, W in that position. Again ignorant and stupid and to a large degree hateful, but not “burn it down” idiots.

    I’d peg the “burn it down” crowd to the core of Trump support – which seemed to be somewhere around 30-40% of the Republican primary electorate during primary season. So taking into account people who don’t vote it’s more like every 5th person you see rather than every other person. More if you live in a red state, less in a blue state. Still not good, but not as bad as half the population.

  79. 79.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Birtherism is really a problem for Donald and he doesn’t see it – he’s proud of it. His poll numbers started ticking down after he got into it all again at the hotel, and I’m sure his handlers keep trying to explain how it’s not a good look for him (as if anything is, but still…), but, it’s his bread and butter and the thing that propelled him so he’s going to ride it like Slim Pickens. Obama’s approval rating is 55% – one of the biggest tells last night was referring to him as “your” president. It really just doesn’t sit well at all with anyone not a die hard Trumper. He’s just a nasty hateful white supremacist who can’t shine Obama’s shoes, and looks awful in any comparison. Obama is going to put his whole effort into Hillary’s campaign in October, and goad that fat orange fuck into blowing a gasket.

  80. 80.

    Roger Moore

    @Jeffro:

    So it’s no wonder that he “didn’t prepare” – how do you prepare when you don’t really exist as much of anything, much less anything of value?

    He could at least have had some new snappy rejoinders ready to respond to Hillary’s predictable attacks. He didn’t even do that much preparation.

  84. 84.

    gene108

    @Miss Bianca:

    She has policies. Trump has none.

    Trump will sign off on anything and everything McConnell (assuming Reps control Senate still) and Ryan pass. That’s all the policy he needs apparently to satisfy Republicans.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @gene108:

    That’s all the policy he needs apparently to satisfy Republicans.

    The electorate contains non-Republicans. Some of them might think that policies matter.

  86. 86.

    D58826

    I just think that after the bounce post-convention so folks began to think the election was in the bag or there was enough of a cushion that a 3rd party protest vote would not hurt. Dangerous to make that mistake again.

  88. 88.

    hovercraft

    @Roger Moore:
    But everyone told me before the debate that with Ailes at his side, he could not fail. Alies is the one who coached Reagan and Poppy, he was the one who was going to craft zingers that would take the bitch down. What happened?

  92. 92.

    Cacti

    Should we file missing persons reports for NR and srv?

    I haven’t seen either of them since Trump got pantsed and thrashed with a switch in front of 80 million viewers.

  93. 93.

    D58826

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: I wish Hillary had driven a few more nails in the birther argument by saying:
    1. Obama released his short form birth certificate in 2008
    2. there was a birth announcement in the local paper
    3. since his mother was an American so is he by birth (just like his new BFF tail gunner Ted)
    4. so the release of the long form in 2011 proved nothing that wasn’t already known.

  96. 96.

    Trollhattan

    @hovercraft:
    He might have eaten his. #GetInDonald’sBellyNow
    @Cacti:
    They’re nursing a ginormous shared hangover. Once Fox and Friends convinces them Donny won, they’ll be back.

  97. 97.

    nonynony

    @D58826: Yeah it’s a problem. Democrats and liberals are a weird bunch in that respect – if it seems like we’re winning too much suddenly support bleeds off because “protest votes” become things that you think you can safely do. Republicans and conservatives seem much more attuned to the bandwagon effect – while Trump looks like he’s winning they want to be Trump supporters.

  99. 99.

    Matt McIrvin

    @nonynony:

    Second of all that 45% of people who vote who will vote Republican no matter what – a chunk of them don’t want Trump either. They just don’t want a Democrat to win it and their only alternative is Trump. Why don’t they want a Democrat? They have their reasons – none of them good and many of them revolving around them being “single issue voters” (abortion, guns, taxes). They also assume that Trump would be no worse than, say, W in that position. Again ignorant and stupid and to a large degree hateful, but not “burn it down” idiots.

    Many also believe that electing Hillary Clinton is the actual “burn it down” option. Their concerns read almost like a search-and-replace of Democrats’ concerns about Trump: they’ve been told that she’s an unstable, vindictive totalitarian who will burn the Constitution. I have relatives who are convinced that Hillary will rescind the First Amendment and outlaw their church.

    On the left, Jill Stein is saying similar things, that Clinton is a monster who will do everything we fear Trump doing.

  100. 100.

    nonynony

    @Cacti:

    Should we file missing persons reports for NR and srv?

    I dunno – do you want them found?

    (NR was actually around last night post-debate. He gave Clinton a B+.)

  102. 102.

    Fair Economist

    @Hal:

    Completely anecdotal, but I noticed an uptick in Facebook posts about how Clinton and Trump are basically different sides of the same coin. Not the usual if only we had Bernie he would be clobbering Trump.

    Remember the “Bernie or Busters” at this point are mostly false flag. Real Bernie supporters understand Clinton is the best current option and a lot better than Trump, and that the best option by far for somebody supporting a big leftward shift in the US is to support Clinton now and push forward in future elections. Basically, Trump was so atrocious yesterday the false flaggers are falling back to echoing assorted smears of Clinton to try to discourage left-leaning voters.

  108. 108.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @nonynony: Someone I read has developed that into a theory to suggest that Trump can’t win. If he drops behind, Ds peel off into protest votes. But if he starts to come close, they panic and come back. Wash, rinse, and repeat. Could the theory have had a word like “stochastic” in the title?

  110. 110.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Punchy: Chuck Todd should be mercilessly mocked out of journalism for that stupid tweet. He should be ashamed of himself for criticizing a Presidential candidate for appearing “over prepared” as if that’s a bad thing for a President.

  112. 112.

    Jeffro

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I have relatives who are convinced that Hillary will rescind the First Amendment and outlaw their church.

    They must go to the same church my mom does (or at least read the same FB posts!) Had to walk ol’ mom back to reality, that this is just one of the things Republicans do every election cycle to motivate (read: terrify the crap out of) their base.

    On the left, Jill Stein is saying similar things, that Clinton is a monster who will do everything we fear Trump doing.

    I’m on the fence whether it’s better to ignore ol’ Dr. Stein or to have a few Clinton surrogates take a few whacks at her here and there. Probably the former.

    It sure seems like there’s a lot overlap (today, at least?) between the “both sides equally bad” crowd and the Johnson supporters. Which makes sense: spewing “Trump and Clinton are equally bad” is just as dumb and lazy as “we need a 3rd party” or “Johnson has some great ideas”

  114. 114.

    Chillax

    No doubt the first debate was something of a draw, but you all should cut out the cheering–Trump won’t he this soft in the other two. He’s going to hit her–and HARD.

    Word is during the next debate he’s going to bring up Bill’s numerous bimbo eruptions and how Hillary abused these women. That will really get under her skin!

    The election is TOO CLOSE TO CALL baby! Just like I predicted.

    Stay tuned!

  115. 115.

    hovercraft

    @nonynony:
    @Matt McIrvin:
    From The NY Post.

    Kady Letoksy, a paralegal by day, a waitress and bartender at night at the Tin Lizzy, sat beside him. At 28, she has never voted before, and she is now thinking it might be a good idea to start.

    Letosky entered the evening undecided in a town that is heavily Democratic in registration. Her sister and father are on opposite sides of the political aisle. Donald “Trump had the upper hand this evening,” she said, citing his command of the back-and-forth between him and Hillary Clinton.

    Reed, 35, is a registered Democrat and small businessman. “By the end of the debate, Clinton never said a thing to persuade me that she had anything to offer me or my family or my community,” he said, sitting at the same bar that has boasted local icons as regulars, such as the late Fred Rogers, and Arnold Palmer, who had his own stash of PM Whiskey hidden behind newer bottles of whiskey for his regular visits.

    “Have to say Trump had the edge this evening, he came out swinging but also talked about specifics on jobs and the economy,” Reed said.

    Reed said Clinton came across as either smug or as though she was reading her résumé, adding there was nothing on her résumé that touched on his life. “I am a small businessman, a farmer, come from a long line of farmers and coal miners. The policies she talked about tonight ultimately either hurt me or ignore me,” he said……..
    “I’ve been a Democrat all of my life, but when Clinton mentions her husband and the jobs he brought to the country in the ’90s, it’s not a fair assessment. She is no moderate Democrat the way he was, her policies would not bring back jobs,” said Nathan Nemick.

    It burns Nemick when Clinton references her husband, like she did in the debate on trade and jobs. “She is nothing like him,” he said of the Democrat he admired in his youth…..
    Pennsylvania is a high-stakes state for both candidates, but particularly Clinton, and Westmoreland is a high-stakes county, particularly for Trump.

    She needs to win this state, and he needs not just to win this county but to do so by 2,000 more votes than Mitt Romney did in 2012……
    When Al Gore turned the party toward its progressive wing in 2000, however, he left behind Westmoreland County Democrats.

    Democrats here are more traditional in their values — they are pro-gun, pro-life, pro-coal, something today’s Democratic Party has left no room for.

    Trump probably connects better with such voters than did Romney in 2012, or John McCain in 2008; a large part of the reason is his outside-the-box style. Yet for him to win the state, such voters need to turn out in force — here and elsewhere — to offset Philly’s overwhelming numbers.

  116. 116.

    TriassicSands

    @Shell:

    Trump is devoting today to whining about how unfair the debate was. I saw a clip of him saying last night that Lester Holt was “fine.” Today, it sounds like he’s changing his opinion.

    Boo hoo, Donald, you are in so far over your head you can’t breathe. Of course, it would help if you removed your head from the noxious orifice in which it is currently inserted.

  118. 118.

    D58826

    on another topic – the Senate failed on the first attempt to pass a stopgap funding bill. Among other things the Gop wants to include funding for flood relief in La. but nothing to help the folks in Flint.

  121. 121.

    Roger Moore

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Someone I read has developed that into a theory to suggest that Trump can’t win. If he drops behind, Ds peel off into protest votes. But if he starts to come close, they panic and come back.

    That would make it harder for him, but it still gives him a couple of windows of opportunity. One happens if the polling underestimates his popularity in general, so Democrats feel safe voting third party when they shouldn’t. Another is because there’s a time delay in releasing the numbers; if he’s close to a peak on election day, people might not know it yet and be in a third party mood when they should be panicking and returning to the fold.

  124. 124.

    Elizabelle

    @Roger Moore: For anyone we encounter who thinks it will be safe to register a protest vote if it seems Trump can’t win:

    Never forget the Palm Beach ballot of 2000. Without thousands of Gore votes going to Pat Buchanan, by accident, Boy Blunder could never have gotten close enough to steal.

    This is not the year for a protest vote. Tell them they should just pull the lever for Trump. They don’t know that their “protest” vote won’t help put him in the White House.

  128. 128.

    hovercraft

    @Chillax:
    Every time the bimbo eruptions are brought up, Hillary becomes more popular. No matter what Trump says, bill cheated not Hillary, she was the victim. Accusing her of attacking the women or facilitating him sexually assaulting, or raping women, will not go over well. He will be asking the public to believe the Jerome Corsi’s of the world, whereas back here on planet Earth we know that Karma victim Ken Starr would have held up any evidence of wrong doing like a bloody sheet. As I stated before her attitude about this should be “please proceed” Donald.

  129. 129.

    D58826

    @Roger Moore:

    If he drops behind, Ds peel off into protest votes. But if he starts to come close, they panic and come back.

    Hillary EV = 538. Trump EV = 0 has a nice symmetry to it.

  130. 130.

    Fair Economist

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Also OT, but I’ve been reading at LGM and I’ve decided I hate threaded comments. I can’t keep track of the whole conversation.

    Agreed. They’re particularly bad for “live” conversation where you come back multiple times – which is pretty much the only kind of thread we have. Threaded comments are good if you want to skim a dead thread, but for a live one BJ is doing it right.

  135. 135.

    hovercraft

    @D58826:
    Turtle took it out, after he had a tentative agreement to include the Flint funding ( which is apparently paid for, when it shouldn’t need to be because it should be emergency funding), democrats were apoplectic, Rachel had clips of Stabenow and the Flint Rep. speeches on Friday. Tell me again how republicans are reaching out to POC.

  136. 136.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Chillax: You sound like a Trumpet supporter. What makes you think that a thrice married philanderer has any standing to attack a woman for staying married to a cheating husband? Secretary Clinton knows how to fight and will give as good as Trump dishes out.

    If the point of your comment was to fill us with fear, you failed. Let Trump bring it. Secretary Clinton will wrap it up and serve it back to him with a smile. She has been dealing with bullies for her entire adult life.

  139. 139.

    Matt McIrvin

    @amk: People have suggested that various other annoyances we’ve seen lately are him, but no, the style doesn’t match. That one is him.

  141. 141.

    nonynony

    @Matt McIrvin: Are you sure? It reads almost like a parody or rtr.

    I mean, rtr already bordered on self-parody. But this one seems to go over the line and into outright parody.

  144. 144.

    cmorenc

    @Corner Stone:

    @Dork:
    This is going to destroy her support amongst people who wear clothes.
    Thankfully, I am immune to this line of attack.

    Since I only wear underpants, does that make me “undecided”?

  145. 145.

    Brachiator

    The morning radio news was about how Trump was calling in to various pundits to try to convince them that he won the debate. One newsman asked where Clinton was.

    It is just too cool to see her doing the smart thing, out in a rally, capitalizing on the energy from her dazzling debate performance.

  146. 146.

    Emma

    @Chillax: You poor, poor thing. making a living by cheering a philandering, monomaniac with daughter issues.
    Couldn’t you get a job as a sanitation engineer? At least it’s honest work.

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    JustRuss

    That’s a hell of a pic on the video. Is that right before or after her three dragons buzzed the crowd?

  154. 154.

    Sean

    @Punchy: Clearly you cannot read or write very well. Next time, sound smarter by using a smart phone that will spell check your ridiculous remarks. Thanks!

  156. 156.

    JR in WV

    @Chillax:

    Right to Rise in brand new clothing. Never posted here before, much, have ya?

    Showing up stupid is no way to go through life, Chilly. Stop.

  157. 157.

    Ruckus

    @Emma:
    A sanitation eng takes actual job skills, such as cleaning up shit instead of spreading it. This one is obviously not skilled enough.

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