We’ve got them on the ropes, but they did manage to get a good one in.
From a commemorative ticket given to debate attendees.
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This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.
The arc of the moral universe does not bend itself. it is up to us to bend it.
Tick tock motherfuckers!
Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.
We can’t confuse what’s necessary to win elections with the policies that we want to implement when we do.
… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact
Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.
It is possible to do the right thing without the promise of a cookie.
Disagreements are healthy; personal attacks are not.
The snowflake in chief appeared visibly frustrated when questioned by a reporter about egg prices.
The fight for our country is always worth it. ~Kamala Harris
These are not very smart people, and things got out of hand.
We will not go back.
A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires.
You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.
Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.
The arc of history bends toward the same old fuckery.
Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!
Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.
They were going to turn on one another at some point. It was inevitable.
GOP baffled that ‘we don’t care if you die’ is not a winning slogan.
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The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.
JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?
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Hillary Rettig
They are truly a scourge.
Waldo
I’m sure by the 2020 debates they’ll have it figured out.
Cheap Jim, formerly Cheap Jim
Meh. I am still unsure of how many Rs are in the current president’s name, and I voted for him twice. In separate elections, of course.
Edit: come to think of it, 4 times.
Major Major Major Major
Didn’t the senate get commemorative pens for the Clinton impeachment (the first one) that said Untied States Senate?
Hillary Rettig
Y’all treating this like a mere typo, but I’m telling ya, it’s a plot!
The evil One-L Hilarys must be defeated!
hovercraft
Obama is piling on.
And goes there, talking about the content of their characters. Listen at the link.
Felonius Monk
The other “L” is just out for repair. It needed a little touching up after beating the living shit out of the Trumpster at the debate.
Brachiator
That misspelling is hillarious.
amk
The other L was out kicking the dick’s nuts.
Hillary Rettig
@Brachiator: You, sir, have now officially won the thread. (And my heart! Don’t tell anyone.)
RareSanity
It’s because they knew Trump would take an ‘L’* in the debate.
* “taking an L” is a sports metaphor for losing (I’m a big fan of Prof. Levenson’s style)
Mnemosyne
I feel your pain — my offline name usually has an extra R or S (or both!) added to it, and I have to patiently correct people every. single. time.
And that’s even before we get to the pronounciation issue. Oy!
ETA: When I meet someone who spells and pronounces her name the same way I do, it’s an instant bonding moment. And we all HATE the prominent person who allows people to pronounce her name the wrong way!
bobbo
First they won’t fact-check, now they can’t spell-check?
srv
What as wrong with Hitlary?
Hillary Rettig
@Mnemosyne: I’m lucky because if HRC had spelled her with one L that would have become the default and I, too, would have been eternally correcting.
Hillary Rettig
@srv: only to my loved ones… ;-)
Hillary Rettig
have to leave the thread now, but will be back later with a Faunasphere – have a nice lunch everyone
dmsilev
@Hillary Rettig:
Question: Shouldn’t the proper plural be Hilaries?
FlipYrWhig
@dmsilev: That’d be Hilarious.
dmsilev
Trump’s advisers come face to face with the fact that their boss is, in fact, Trump:
Mnemosyne
Also, too, I’ve reached the most difficult phase of prep for my upcoming canvassing trip: deciding what to pack! There’s a conference call tomorrow night that will hopefully address that subject, but does anyone have any advice for two days of canvassing in Nevada? I already have comfy shoes, a vat of sunscreen, a hat, and a couple of long-sleeved 50 UPF shirts on my list. I think they’re going to be providing water, so I may not bring my own water bottle since that will be one less thing to have to schlep with me.
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
The article is hilarious.
Alain the site fixer
@Hillary Rettig: so, just to be sure, I don’t have your name mis-spelled on the site? ??
Major Major Major Major
So how do we feel about this suing Saudi Arabia veto override? I maintain that it’s dumb.
WereBear
@dmsilev: Good luck with that.
OzarkHillbilly
@Major Major Major Major: Don’t know enough to have an opinion.
Kay
@dmsilev:
Benghazi! She won’t know what to say about that! That 13 hour hearing and 2 years of media speculation where they never came up with the alleged crime let alone the motive for the crime leaves many unanswered questions.
kd bart
The other L is home in bed with pneumonia.
Major Major Major Major
@OzarkHillbilly: a bill that would let Americans sue Saudi Arabia for 9/11. Expected to pass over a veto.
Calouste
That extra “l” had been assigned to Trump so he could write “Loser” on his forehead.
dmsilev
@hovercraft: Well played.
(Wel played?)
? Martin
I’m starting to have a bit more faith that the aftermath of this shitshow will lean positive rather than negative. I’m seeing a lot more reporting calling out Trumps complete lack of personal responsibility (one of those things that conservatives used to claim to care deeply about), about his various double-standards, about the social covenant that used to exist between business and the community and how Trump is really just a Gordon Gekko – but somehow even more immoral and even more damaging to society.
I’m skeptical any of it will stick with conservatives, but maybe some will.
My dad was telling me about his mechanic who he can’t talk politics with because ‘he hates the Democratic party – for reasons he can’t articulate’ and it made me think of Cole’s lesson about what conservatives really think, so I asked him – do you think he hates the Democratic party or do you think he hates Democrats. There’s a big difference between the two – one is an ideological position, the other is an authoritarian one. And upon thinking about it, he thinks I may be right – that his mechanic hates the people, with the exception of the usual token good ones like my dad. If Cole is right, then nothing will change – conservatives will back whatever R comes along because they have so deeply vilified the left that they could never align with us. Clinton is quite literally unhuman in their worldview.
And I think that’s why the GOP could be in such deep trouble. Their inability to be open to Clinton in the face of a candidate that so openly mocks everything that conservatism claimed to be indicates that they will follow this gameplan until there is nothing left of the GOP but embers. This is a political party turned into Branch Davidians seemingly with a similar fate awaiting.
Origuy
@Mnemosyne: You’re going to Vegas, not Reno, right? Las Vegas is already getting cool at night, Reno downright chilly. Remember that deserts lose heat at night.
dr. bloor
@kd bart: I heard it has Parkinson’s.
singfoom
@Major Major Major Major: I’m of two minds about it. The 28 pages don’t definitely prove a link between the hijackers and the Saudi government, but it’s been long alleged that possibly ‘rogue elements’ of the Saudi government might have been involved. That said, it is the main sponsor of Wahhabism as I understand it and most of the terrorism from radical islamic groups have derived from that.
If a loved one of mine had died on 9/11, I’d be all for it, damn the consequences. That said, none of my loved ones were lost. I don’t buy the “if we pass this other governments will sue us too” argument from the administraton. I think that it would be interesting if new facts were found during discovery in any lawsuit against SA, but I doubt they’d turn over anything.
In the end, I think it’s mainly a cosmetic bill to show support for 9/11 families and not much will come of it. It’s probably not smart but I think that most Congresspeople will vote for the override.
OzarkHillbilly
@Major Major Major Major: I know that. What I don’t know is how this would reflect on international law, treaty obligations, oil markets, troop deployments, mid east dynamics, etc etc etc. My sympathies are with the families but there are real world consequences from opening up that can of worms and I am in no position to add up all the pluses and minuses.
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
9/11 was a tragedy, suing Saudi will not change anything. If there was a case to be made, it should be pursued by the government. Individuals or a group of ordinary citizens suing foreign government sets a bad precedent. If they want to sue, they should sue our government for not pursuing the matter. We are a very litigious nation, if we want to sue the crap out of one another. that is our right, but foreign litigation can result in a lot of unintended consequences.
I think.
? Martin
@Major Major Major Major: I think that even if Obama agreed with it, he’d need to veto it. It’s as has been explained countless times in the last few days that international alliances are decades in the making and need to be durable. The ability to sue SA may feel gratifying to many Americans but there seems to be very little evidence that the 9/11 bombers were SA agents, or were even known to SA. The previous plot which never took place was planned out of the Philippines by a Pakistani national.
There may seem to be no harm in letting families sue, particularly if you believe the case will be lost, but it’s a breach of protocol between nations. At the very least, if you assume that there was involvement by SA and the US has not taken action on that front on behalf of US citizens, the backers of this legislation are indirectly accusing the US government of covering up 9/11. So yeah, I don’t see how Obama could sign this, and I don’t see how SA couldn’t take the president approving that bill as anything other than an accusation by the US government.
singfoom
Completely off topic question, apologies if this isn’t an open thread. Does anyone have recommendations for a voltmeter/multimeter? There’s just so many of them. I think I know I need one with a digital readout and supposedly alligator clips, but other than that I’m clueless and there’s soooo many of them out there…. 1 year into owning our first house I need to sort out some wiring for installing a ceiling fan. Thanks!
Kay
@? Martin:
I’m less sympathetic to working people here than I was because this is a good economy. It’s better than Bush’s during the cheap credit explosion and it’s real- it’s overtime and raises. They have more money. I”m as sensitive to the local economy as a person can be because I’m 75% dependent on it and they’re kidding themselves if they think there was some golden pre-Obama economy here in the last 20 years. Just not true.
They had my complete sympathy during the crash and years-long aftermath but if they think it gets markedly better than this in this place they’re wrong. They gotta admit something else is driving this rage. Everyone with a pulse who wants to work is working and a lot of them are working more hours than they want to.
Major Major Major Major
@? Martin: he did veto it. They’re voting to override today.
ETA: I saw the initial bill as an example of congress doing something that they know is stupid with the assumption that Obama, the adult in the room, will stop it for them since they’re too cowardly to vote against it. Now that they actually have to go on record about it they’re having second thoughts but the radio said it’s expected to become law. Democracy!
laura
@Mnemosyne: bring at least 2 pairs of shoes so you can swap out as needed. It makes a huge difference if you’re on the hoof all day for multiple days.
Face
This will get old, fast.
Mod: Don, please explain your tax plan
DT: She’s a fat bitch! With pneumonia lungs and blood coming out of her…
Mod: Actually, she’s post-menapausal
DT: She’s….uh…post-stupid! And crooked! Buy my steaks!
Mod: Back to the question on taxes
DT: Look at that face! No wonder Bill cheated on her with Monique Lewis
Mod: Sec Clinton, thoughts on taxes?
DT: Least hot bitch in the room she is!
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Fair Economist
@singfoom:
The 28 pages pretty much prove the Saudi *government* wasn’t involved. A few government employees might have been, but since the Bush administration refused to investigate, we’ll never know. Suing the Saudi government makes no sense, but sadly in an election year this is going to go through.
To look on the bright side, if the US government loses immunity in foreign nations as a result, it will make military adventurism more difficult.
Major Major Major Major
@Face: Kinda worked for Palin. Could very well be that the best option available to Trump is pretending he was asked a different question and giving a prepared answer instead of trying something relevant but extemporaneous.
hovercraft
@? Martin:
They won’t change, it’s not the positions it’s the label, and the people. Obama and Clinton before him have been labeled the most far left wing president in American history who have brought us to the brink of a socialist dystopia. Rational beings know that neither has been left wing at all, they are both centrist democrats. Legislation and ideas that originate at places like CATO and Heritage become toxic as soon as they are embraced by democrats. So it’s not about policy, it’s about the democratic party and who they have embraced. These are not rational people, they are reacting emotionally and until a “true leader” brings them back in from the ledge they live on, they can not be dealt with rationally, they will not be talked down by outsiders, they cure must come from within.
JMG
@Kay: My short sojourn in Youngstown and vicinity had sights of most of the signs of a prosperous community. Aside from the racism/sexism factor, I think a lot of the longing for the industrial economy that’s gone for good is nostalgia for lost youth and the world people grew up in.
Punchy
@? Martin: “do you think he hates the Democratic party or do you think he hates Democrats.”
In my experience, they hate what they’re told the Dem party stands for. Unbalanced budgets, financial BS, no loyalty to the military….ya know, everything Republicans actually stand for. Fox News, bar none, has been without peer in brainwashing millions and millions of older people and shaping their view of the Dems as the exact things the GOP currently does.
And there’s no changing that, because at this point, their entire worldview depends on those lies. They’ll cling to them in the face of any evidence of the contrary.
SiubhanDuinne
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne: Last time when I canvassed, the OFA office in NH had a tuxie kitteh!
Take more snacks, walking makes you hungry.
MattF
@Face: Jonathan Chait notes that Trump supporters continue to lower that bar.
Humdog
@hovercraft: I like your idea that families should sue our government if they believe the US has info regarding Saudi complicity that the US is covering up. I do not like the idea of citizens suing a foreign government. The US will be sued for our wrongdoing, which I do not have a problem with, but then we will not pay out damages owed and we will be the biggest scofflaw on the planet. Nothing good comes from an egregious example of ignoring laws.
Shell
So, what if Trump tanks in the second debate? Will he blame the audience.. “They asked stupid questions…Hillarys were easier!” Will he claim his stool was wobbly?
Scamp Dog
@singfoom: Don’t sweat the choice of multimeter too hard. They’re all fairly reliable these days, so just get something that’s a physical size you like, and not too pricey. The extra money typically goes for extra features, like transistor testing or thermocouple measurements, that you won’t need for checking household wiring.
OzarkHillbilly
@singfoom: You shouldn’t need a voltmeter to install a ceiling fan, a simple circuit tester (2 leads, 1 light to show which is the hot lead) should do the trick. In a typical ceiling box you’ll have 3 wires- black, white, bare. The black should be the hot lead (and if wired properly not hot when the switch is off) the white is the neutral, and the bare is the ground. The instructions with the fan should be enuf to tell you all you need to know about wiring it.
piratedan
@? Martin: it reminds me of that Jimmy Kimmel sketch after the passage of the ACA… He went out on the streets and talked about what the ACA was going to do… people LOVED it! great concept reining in the insurance companies, affordable healthcare. He described what the law would do… favorable responses across the board. When he presented it first as Obamacare, everyone loathed it.
When people talk about Democratic policies, they love them and a large majority of people are in favor of them. When you associate them with Democrats, suddenly they are turned off.
It’s almost as if the Democrats could simply rebrand themselves (like Century Link has gone through four name changes because as they’ve made each name toxic, they move on to a new one that doesn’t have the bad history so they can continue to provide crappy service to an unsuspecting populace) they could enjoy happy majorities and get shit done. Somehow, someway, the name itself is toxic in the realm of politics and whoever is in charge of the Democratic Party needs to figure out how to change that perception, otherwise, it will always be uphill with this electorate.
LAO
@Hillary Rettig: I have a good friend named Hillary and a couple of years ago, her father bought her some personalized golf balls and misspelled her name with one L. Her dad! you know, one of the two people that named her Hillary.
Eric U.
@Major Major Major Major: that’s what Rubio did, right? Had one prepared answer and gave it every time it was his turn to talk. The guy that plays Rubio in “Alpha House” is my favorite character.
My name gets misspelled all the time by people that should know better. How hard is it to get 4 letters right? Although Erich shows up occasionally
Pogonip
A beauty queen usually has a clause in her contract that she will not ruin her looks during her reign, so if Trump had money invested in her he was well within his rights to watch her weight. Whether he needed to be so rude about it is a judgment call, but considering her checkered career I figure they deserve each other. If she wanted to eat her fill she probably shouldn’t have got into beauty queen-ing in the first place.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
You know, I’ve had Hillary supporters insist on me she spells it “Hilary” and that “Hillary” is old fashion.
chopper
just to show how literally everything is being stacked in donnie’s favor, they even misspell her goddamn name.
she’s literally the most well-known woman alive today worldwide. and they spell her name wrong.
OzarkHillbilly
@SiubhanDuinne: clapclapclapclap….
p.a.
You all won’t be laughing when BHO’s $6/gallon gasoline goes up even more under Hilary Cllinton.
scav
A one-l Hilary, she’s a beast,
a two-l Hillary, she’s a treat,
But I’ll bet you a snake fritillary,
There’s no such thing as a three-l Hilllary.
MattF
@LAO: Well, googling ‘hilary’ yields Hilary Swank, Hilary Duff, and Hilary Hahn. I’m particularly fond of Hilary Hahn, myself.
? Martin
@chopper: You know, if Trump arrived to his name spelled wrong, he’d get back on his plane and leave. Nobody fucks with a winner. Nobody.
dmsilev
@singfoom: Get a low-end Fluke hand-held; a bit pricier than a rock-bottom no-name, but it will work well and reliably.
(It’s a great tragedy that their corporate motto isn’t “If it works, it’s a Fluke”)
JR in WV
That’s just so embarrassing for all the people involved with procuring and producing that item. It wasn’t cheap… yet someone, who probably was asked “Shouldn’t we change this? I think she spells it with two “L”s ” and the boss said, Naw, that’s correct just like that!
WRONG!
Long ago in my second job I wrote documents about changes in software for publication to the entire agency, and would pass them to the boss, two levels above me, for his review. Invariably he would red pencil in something with a grammatical error.
So I would spend lots of time saying the exact same thing W/O the error so as not to embarrass him. Because you know, if it was going out with HIS grammatical error in it, it was going to have his name on it.
I may have (certainly did!) send the occasional rare doc out with the wrong word, misspelled word, misusage, after proofread by me, three co-workers, my boss, still, they leak through.
No way to keep it from happening, this is one more proof of that. No way was it deliberate. Unless the manager approving it is a member of a Trump committee… or something like that.
hovercraft
@singfoom:
If there is a nation that doesn’t want this precedent set it’s us. Should the people of Laos who are still losing limbs today to American bombs dropped 50 years ago be able to sue us. What about the people in all the Central and South American countries where we had the CIA interfering,be allowed to sue for the death and devastation we have wrought. 9/11 is so traumatic because it’s the first time in most peoples living memory that we were attacked right here where we live. Pearl Harbor was so long ago, to most of us it’s just part of history. For many nations around the world our fingerprints, are much more vivid and in many cases the harm we have caused is ongoing. We sell weapons, finance dissidents/rebels, for the people caught in the middle in most cases don’t see us as the good guys, should they be able to sue? Nations should be able to sue one another, not citizens. The 9/11 families should sue the Federal Government if they believe that the government is not pursuing a legitimate claim. Either that or get to work and elect people who will pursue a case against Saudi Arabia. Individuals suing foreign governments is a Pandora’s Box we do not want to open.
JCJ
@SiubhanDuinne:
Bravo!
Combine this with you poem about Betty’s salamander in the ukulele from a while ago and I nominate you for balloon-juice poet laureate.
singfoom
@Scamp Dog: @OzarkHillbilly: Thanks. Yeah, it’s slightly more complicated because there’s two switches so you can have the lights and the fan on separate circuits, so there’s two hot wires and three neutrals (still don’t understand the 3). There’s no ground. I got to the point of wiring it and the wiring mismatch between the fan and the box threw me off so wanted a tester/multimeter to figure out which was which.
But yeah, I think I should get a circuit tester / voltmeter so I can always test to be safe. I’m fine with just about any house repair / upgrade project, but electrical always makes me nervous.
OzarkHillbilly
@? Martin: If he gets elected all we have to do is misspell his name on the inaugural invites and he’ll leave then? Coooll, no messy impeachments.
chopper
@SiubhanDuinne:
HAH!
Eric U.
@OzarkHillbilly: my favorite tool for wiring is a non-contact voltage tester. I have a Greenlee, but their price seems to have gone up quite a bit since I bought mine. I’m sure they are all the same. I had to pull out voltmeter recently, since I wanted to tap into a 3 way switch for power. Couldn’t do it though, it was wired improperly. Ok, my circuit would have worked, but I refuse to use ground as neutral. It’s times like that I reflect on how Central Pennsylvanians have the unmitigated gall to cast aspersions on the capabilities and work ethic of Philadelphians
scav
@chopper: The Spy on Spy action at the debate must have been hilarious. One crack team sneaking in to alter the spelling on commemorative tickets, the other to craftily install a drug-addled microphone.
MomSense
@Mnemosyne:
A little cross body bag you can keep ID, water bottle, small wallet, extra pens and phone. You’ll be wielding a clipboard and constantly flipping pages so you don’t want to be using your hands to hold other things or setting things down on the ground and then forgetting them.
There are tricks for how to arrange your clipboard so you can see the map and find your pages but I’ve learned we all do it differently.
I like the buddy system for canvassing. One of you takes odd numbers and the other even or however the turf is set up. This way you can look out for each other.
LAO
@MattF: I agree — but my friend’s name is actually spelled with 2 Ls — and her dad got her name wrong. How is that not funny? I thought it was funny.
RobertB
@singfoom: If there’s a Harbor Freight near you, you can get a cheap one for $6 that will do volt-ohm-amp testing. Spend $25 and you can get the fancy one that tests diodes and has a temperature probe. If you don’t need it any more often than I do (about once every 2 years) even a cheap one should last forever. Spend a couple more bucks and you can get the alligator clips. From what I can tell on Amazon, stick $100 on that and you can get a Fluke.
Roger Moore
@Mnemosyne:
I’m constantly amazed by the number of people who put a “d” in the middle of Roger. My spelling has always been massively more popular- I’ve met dozens of Rogers in my life and only one Rodger, and the Social Security baby name data backs up this anecdotal data- but I get it misspelled more often than not.
Chris
@singfoom: “Ideal” is a reasonable brand name. I own a few of them. They are available at your standard big box home stores. “Fluke” makes real nice ones but prob not worth spending your money on.
shortribs
@dmsilev:
That will go over well. Trump already can’t keep focus on a single topic for more than about 10 seconds, so giving him enough leash to wander even further off the question an audience member asked him is sure to be a winner.
Roger Moore
@bobbo:
The only check they care about is the one they can cash or deposit.
MomSense
@laura:
Ooh and a few bandaids. Weird how comfy shoes can cause blisters when you do a lot of walking.
hovercraft
@Pogonip:
Umm, wow. While it’s true she probably had such a clause in her contract, he didn’t have to publicly humiliate her for gaining 15 pounds. Bringing the media in to watch her workout was a stunt to get her the weight loss sponsorship. How she chooses to make money be it Playboy or anywhere else is her business and you have no right to judge her. Trump if he had an agreement with her to get the weight loss contract should have found a less humiliating way to publicize it. He didn’t have to go on national radio and call her names.
Women have the right to make their own choices.
Immanentize
@OzarkHillbilly: @hovercraft: @singfoom: @Major Major Major Major:
You all have mentioned great reasons why we don’t let individuals sue governments — that is what governments are supposed to handle. First by diplomacy and then by war if necessary. The individual suing a government is always a troublesome matter because governments (administrations, kings, etc. change and their policies do as well. To literally litigate the past prevents governments from moderating instead of the instinct to hunker down….
But the reciprocity doctrine is really what will keep the congress from overriding the veto — If we allow this, countries all over the world will start to allow their citizens to sue the U.S. For wars, for weapons, for environmental disasters, for police efforts and interdictions, etc.
Not.Gon.Ha.Pen.
So I predict a veto followed by some time wasting procedures which will lead to a “it’s too close to the election,” to no action on the override.
OzarkHillbilly
@singfoom: I’ve done a lot of minor (and some not so minor) electrical wiring and repair over the years and I hate it. You can’t see it, smell it, or hear it, but it will knock you on your ass when you least expect it.
The 2 hots don’t surprise me (if you want a light kit on a separate switch from the fan you’d need that) but 3 neutrals? The only thing I can think of is one of those is wired in as the ground. (shrug)
rikyrah
uh huh
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Federal judge blocks Illinois’ same-day voter registration program
Republicans have been granted an injunction blocking the state’s same-day registration program.
On National Voter Registration Day, a U.S. District Court in Illinois granted a motion blocking the state’s same-day voter registration program.
The program has been offered by counties with populations greater than 100,000. Shortly after a pilot version of the program proved to be a success during the 2014 election, a bill making it a permanent feature of the state’s election law was signed by outgoing Gov. Pat Quinn (D). More than 110,000 voters registered on election day last March.
But, as ThinkProgress has previously reported, members of the Illinois Republican Party sued a couple months ago to block the program. They argue it gives unfair advantage to Democratic candidates who generally do well in high-population counties.
In a ruling issued Tuesday, U.S. District Court Judge Samuel Der-Teghiayan granted the Republicans’ motion for a preliminary injunction shutting down the program for now.
“The application of this legislation favors the urban citizen and dilutes the vote of the rural citizen,” Der-Teghiayan writes. “The Supreme Court has made it clear that legislation cannot ‘restrict the political participation of some in order to enhance the relative influence of others.’”
In a statement sent to ThinkProgress, Common Cause Illinois’ Lead Organizer Trevor Gervais expressed disappointment about today’s ruling.
“To suspend Election Day Registration and suppress the vote less than two weeks before the voter registration deadline will hurt communities across Illinois who were counting on being able to register and vote on November 8,” he said. “The court’s decision to side with a conservative group with ties to ALEC and the Koch brothers, combined with Governor Rauner’s recent veto of Automatic Voter Registration, signals a step backwards for voting rights in Illinois and continues a nationwide trend of coordinated and well-funded voter suppression efforts.”
Gervais told ThinkProgress he expects Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan (D) to appeal the decision. He said he expects the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn the injunction in time to restore the program ahead of election day on November 8.
singfoom
@hovercraft: Agreed. Like I said, it’s mostly a cosmetic bill to show support for 9/11 families, but the pandoras box shouldn’t be opened. Thank you, I needed that example to help me buy the administrations argument.
Huh, if the override goes through we’ve got a problem….
Felonius Monk
@? Martin:
So says Donnald Tump.
Immanentize
@SiubhanDuinne: so fine
sukabi
@dmsilev: judging from how drumpfs surrogates have acted themselves, and the FACT that drumpf has had 70 years of unchecked drumpfish behavior, short of calling in Ben Carson to do a brain transplant and a team of big game rescuers armed with tranquilizer guns there isn’t anything they will be able to do…
Iowa Old Lady
Terry Gross interviewed David Farenthold on “Fresh Air” today. It’s not up online yet, but should be soon. He’s obviously good at digging out information, but he’s also very talented at explaining what he finds in a way that lets you understand what happened and why it’s interesting.
Percysowner
In the world of you can’t make this stuff up GOP congressman asks FBI find out if Hillary Clinton broke her college’s ‘honor code’ Jesus! I guess we can expect Trump et al. to ask for her ‘permanent record’ next AND all of her report cards from first grade on.
Immanentize
@hovercraft: OK, once again you beat me to it. Well said!
MattF
@LAO: Sure… One would, I’d think, expect a father to spell his daughter’s name correctly.
MattF
@Percysowner: So, those threats from my elementary school teachers that bad behavior would be entered on my ‘permanent record’ were serious!
scav
@Roger Moore: One of the tribe of Aunts has the spelling Freida (mashup of parents’ names Fred amd Ida) intead of Frieda (or apparently Frida or Freda) so basically has to give up on expecting any uniformity of spelling by others. Probably just means my lot are happily misspelling all the poor Frieda Freda and Frida’s name in turn having our local anchor.
Mnemosyne
@Origuy:
My parents used to winter in Phoenix so I know about the big swings, but that’s a good reminder to bring something more than a windbreaker. It’s Vegas, not Reno (So Cal goes to Vegas and Nor Cal goes to Reno).
@laura:
Ah, I wouldn’t have thought of that. That’s why I’m asking! ?
OzarkHillbilly
@Eric U.: The only time I ever found a simple circuit tester inadequate for house hold wiring was when my dryer kept throwing the breaker (the breaker was fubared and the voltage kept fluctuating- my appliance repairman figured that one out. I finally broke down and bought a voltmeter but I can’t remember what I needed it for and haven’t used it since. The stuff I do is real simple, I know my limitations.
Roger Moore
@singfoom:
Depends on how much you’re going to use it. If it’s something you’ll use a couple of times a year for little home projects, don’t waste your money on a super fancy one; just get a cheap one with the basic functions. Most of them use standard connections for the leads, so you can buy those separately to get alligator clips or whatever if the brand that looks good doesn’t have the exact leads you want. If you want to spend the money on a good one, you can’t go wrong with Fluke.
Major Major Major Major
@Immanentize: The veto was last week. The Senate just voted to override, sooo…
hovercraft
@? Martin:
If he was president, he might even blow them out of the water. Long Island is after all not that big of an island.
WereBear
No one has trouble spelling my name: my pet peeve is that they apparently listen to only the first two letters and never catch what my first name actually IS.
Major Major Major Major
@hovercraft: Long island is also favorably long, compared to his… fingers.
Immanentize
@rikyrah: I read the opinion (OK, skimmed) and it makes no sense in some ways — voting procedures do not need to be uniform in states in the way he suggests…. But the solution is same day registration for everyone — urban and rural.
scav
@MattF: Well, unless Dad personally carved his daughter’s name individually onto each and every every golf ball, there is rather an information chain to potentially fault. And it’s not as though most of us don’t know the rule of there, their, they’re, its, it’s but crash and burn repeatedly, even without the peril of automiscorrect.
Immanentize
@Major Major Major Major: Will the house? i am really not up on this one
hovercraft
@Immanentize:
The vote that’s going on right now is the override vote. Obama already vetoed it, and they supposedly have the votes to override.
Pogonip
@hovercraft: That’s what I said.
sukabi
@Percysowner: wow, they are really reaching…just proves they have NOTHING. What’s next? Did she get free lunch in kindergarten? Oh I know, they’ll claim that gif of the girl kicking the boy’s ass from last night was Hillary on the playground, and it just PROVES she’s a blood thirsty monster that will set off WWIII.
Major Major Major Major
@Immanentize: The House is ‘expected to’ override, according to my cursory reading.
jl
They left out the ‘t’ too. That is a good thing.
I see the Trump camp things flogging Bill’s horn dog history will be winner attack.
I like it. Of course it is disgusting and ugly. But the fate of the Republic is at stake, and that is a sure loser approach, IMHO, so I have to like it.
Maybe I am wrong, but I can’t think of a dumber line of attack.
I was concerned that Trump would go with populism and trade, but he is so butt ignorant, he really has nothing to say about it after he finishes with his slogans, so I doubt there will be much more on that, other than repeated sound bites that mean less and less.
Immanentize
@hovercraft: Thanks, I just looked that up.. Bad juju, I think….
ETA — Is this going to be a one-off change just for this situation? Or an amendment to the alien tort act? Because the the federal courts are not going to like dealing with this case — or any like it. How do you order a foreign government to produce documents or information under the sovereign acts doctrine? How do you enforce an order if ignored? Sheesh.
OzarkHillbilly
@MattF: Not in my family. My mother never, ever, got my name out first when calling me. ALL my brothers and sisters came first.
Mnemosyne
@schrodinger’s cat:
I bought snacks last night. So many snacks. If there are kittehs, I will be sure to take pictures!
@MomSense:
I have an awesome bag from Tom Bihn that switches from cross-body to waist pack, so I’ll probably bring that. If I wear a cross-body too long, it can aggravate my bad shoulder/carpal tunnel issues.
The main thing I’m worried about is that I’m not sure there will be luggage storage available, so I’m kind of assuming I’ll have to schlep everything with me at all times. I’m hoping that won’t be the case, but I don’t want to get there and find out I have to roll my overnight bag around for two days.
SiubhanDuinne
@JCJ:
How in the HELL did you remember that? It was nearly three years ago! I had completely forgotten it myself and had to do a word-search through my old notes to find it.
Thanks for your kind words.
glory b
@Pogonip: To be fair, I guess, she said she had an eating disorder.
However, She didn’t need Trump to turn her visits to the gym into media events.
Pogonip
@hovercraft: Well, I didn’t specifically say she had a right to violate her contract, but since violating contracts at your convenience is considered good business, I thought that went without saying. Although I don’t know if violating your contract should be enshrined as a civil right.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Mnemosyne:
Sunglasses! And I’d take my own favored water bottle for refilling. Probably all they’re going to give you is a half-liter bottle of commercial water. You might end up refilling from canvassees’ faucets.
That dry desert air will suck the moisture out of you so fast you can’t believe it.
Also, I would take a washcloth or a small dish towel to wipe the sweat off your heated brow. Something small and absorbent.
Roger Moore
@piratedan:
It’s not the name that’s toxic; it’s the association with Those People. People love everything that’s in Obamacare until they hear the Democrats proposed it, and then they realize that it’s just a giveaway to lazy, shiftless minorities and slutty sluts who want free slut pills.
Pogonip
@MattF: My permanent record occupies what used to be a town library.
hovercraft
@Percysowner:
These people want Obama’s college transcripts, they snoop in to see what type of counter tops people who support legislation have, they read college thesis, birth certificates, there is nothing too asinine for them to pursue. What if she did break some school policy, then what, who cares? Dumbasses.
Hillary Rettig
@dmsilev: this one, I confess, gave me pause. But check this out. I think the logic is that we’re talking about a group of individuals versus a group of interchangeable parts.
Hillary Rettig
@Alain the site fixer: darn those One Ls!
WereBear
@hovercraft: I guess all those absences in Jr High are going to ruin my political career.
Steeplejack (phone)
@dmsilev:
In Owen Ellickson’s “WORDS!!!” Twitter stream, Mook has Clinton’s debate prep escalating from talking over two ESPN announcers yelling about Jeter and A-Rod to standing in a wind tunnel for an hour and then escaping from an unlighted labyrinth.
nonynony
@Percysowner: So I click the link thinking that this was some allegation of Clinton cheating when she was an undergrad or participation in protests or something like that that was being brought up for reasons inexplicable.
Nope! Even stupider!
I think the GOP is actually somehow getting dumber right before our eyes.
amk
@Pogonip: Spoken like a true fucking m.b.a degree holder.
JR in WV
@singfoom:
Go to Lowe’s and buy the next to most expensive multi-meter, if it has both probes (pointy ends for the leads) and clips that’s a good thing.
Another inexpensive gadget you want is a circuit tester, which buzzes when you probe a circuit that is hot, electrified. This is good to keep from getting burnt and falling off that ladder.
Frankly, I would hire a local electrician who has done a lot of ceiling fans, as they are trickier than it looks, esp with regard to balancing them so they don’t sway back and forth.
Plus the wiring can be more complex for multi speeds and directions, although the tendency to use remotes makes that less of an issue.
Mnemosyne
@Steeplejack (phone):
I get light-sensitive migraines, so I always have my sunglasses with me. Always. I have some of those funky “cooling towels” (the Giant Evil Corporation likes to give them away to encourage employees to bike or walk to work), so I can add one of those.
Mike J
Ari Berman @AriBerman 17 minutes ago
1,200 people voted in Madison on Monday on first day of early voting in Wisconsin. “Near record turnout” @MadisonWIClerk tells me
Hillary Rettig
@SiubhanDuinne: OUTSTANDING!
Hillary Rettig
@nonynony: that would make sense, as “evilution” continues to drive the smarter ones out of the party.
ruckus
@Eric U.:
I have 7 letters between first and last but I’ve seen people spell it asshole. Now there is one common letter there but still…….
Amir Khalid
@? Martin:
Speasking of Donald Trump and misspellings …
Roger Moore
@Percysowner:
Somebody needs to tell these people that it’s pointless to try to dethrone Louie Gohmert for crown of dumbest member of Congress. You can try, but he’ll come up with something far dumber.
hovercraft
@Pogonip:
Sorry I must have misread you ;-)
Gindy51
@Percysowner: Even more, did she refuse to take naps in kindergarten???!
Patricia Kayden
@Shell: He’ll blame the Crooked Mic like he did for his disastrous performance in the first debate. Or maybe blame President Obama like most Republicans do for whatever they deem is bad.
@dmsilev:
Good luck with that, Suckers. She’ll whack back. Mrs. Clinton doesn’t play.
piratedan
@Gindy51: was she true to her school? Evidence of white after Labor Day? Did she color inside the lines?
Mnemosyne
@Pogonip:
I would be curious to know exactly what the weight clause in her contract said, or if there was a specific weight clause. Many of those clauses have been found to be unenforceable by the courts (which is why flight attendants are no longer contractually bound to stay at a specific weight).
hovercraft
@Immanentize:
I have no idea, I’m just a layman using common sense here, perhaps one of our resident lawyers will pipe up and give us the answer. It’s just so stupid. Congrescritters are supposed to be leaders, and they should have the guts to tell these poor families that this is not going to end well.
Pogonip
@amk: Oh, I don’t APPROVE of it. I find it (grin) deplorable. But that’s how things is.
hovercraft
@OzarkHillbilly:
Mine too, she runs through all three of our names, and now she mixes in the grandkids as well. Since she does it to all of us I don’t take it personally that my own mother can’t just say my name.
How’s the shoulder, are you taking it easy. Is your surgeon follow-up today?
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: I’m pretty light-sensitive too. One thing that made me very very happy was the ‘nighttime’ mode on the new iOS.
Pogonip
@Mnemosyne: I remember the flight attendant weight battle. I was rooting for them. I cannot see where being underweight is essential to your ability to do that job. I can see where being underweight is important to your ability to do the beauty queen job, although even there, I would think long and hard before calling it essential.
Dmbeaster
@Mnemosyne: I assume in Clark County area. The weather should be very pleasant. Sun protection is all you really need special (sunglasses on your list?). Heat should not be a problem.
hovercraft
@nonynony:
In what, 1970, did people have private servers back then, wouldn’t that have taken up the entire house? These people are beyond stupid. This penchant for electing the idiot next door is destroying this country. Mr Magoo should not be a congresscritter, period. We have to convince America that sending our best and brightest is in all of our interests. The Yoho’s, Kings, and Goehmerts of the world need to be kept at home where they belong, where the most harm they can do is to individuals, not the entire nation and the would.
Immanentize
@hovercraft: I am one of the lawyers here and I just do not see how this will work…. Oh well, the Supreme Court can decide in about 15 years what it all meant.
Villago Delenda Est
@Hillary Rettig: That extra l had to go somewhere!
pamelabrown53
@MattF: #49
Thanks, Matt for the Jonathan Chait link. Interesting read. I would hope if we (dems) somehow managed to nominate someone dangerous to the future of our republic, we’d be able to country over party. Still, our party is still more reality based and interested in good governance…so I can’t really believe we’d select someone so dangerously unsuitable to be president.
Mnemosyne
@Dmbeaster:
Weather Underground is predicting high 80s to low 90s, so it’s gonna be pretty hot. My parents used to live in Phoenix, so I already know that “it’s a dry heat” is a LIE.
;-)
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne:You need an LLBean deluxe backpack. Don’t tell me you are going to wear a fanny pack. Oh noes!
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@SiubhanDuinne: [standing ovation]
Iowa Old Lady
@Percysowner: I looked to see who the Rep was because I was afraid it might be Steve King. I’m trying to imaging the FBI director asking personnel to spend time on this.
hovercraft
@Mike J:
But the media keeps telling me that young people are not enthusiastic about voting this year. Back in 2012 the villagers kept talking about how disappointed democrats were with Obama, and that they were not enthusiastic. Yet at the end of the day he still beat RMoney by 5 million votes. GOTV is what is important, As long as they pull the lever I don’t care how enthusiastic they are. It’s true that enthusiastic voters might need less prodding, the Sanders revolution shows that it’s not enough. Give me a solid ground game and I’ll be happy.
schrodinger's cat
BJ hive mind: Is a riding skirt and boots OK attire for an interview?
schrodinger's cat
BJ hive mind: Is a riding skirt and boots OK attire for an interview? I have also have a tartan skirt but it is a bit on the short side. Its getting cold here so I can’t do bare legs.
schrodinger's cat
@Pogonip: There was no need to humiliate her in public and call her Miss Housekeeping.
? Martin
@Amir Khalid: $100/person for unlimited domestic beers? I drink some fancy-ass beers now and then but I’d be fucking dead before I could put back $100 worth even at brew pub prices.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Mnemosyne:
Surely there’s someone you can call to ask about this. They must have some advance planning for the people who are going to stay over. After all, they arranged for a hotel.
Mnemosyne
@schrodinger’s cat:
I’m 47, so I’m going to look uncool no matter what. May as well be comfortable!
If I do have to carry everything with me at all times, I’ll probably bring my Overland Cambridge II tote/backpack. It holds a ton of stuff and I can switch between hand/shoulder carry and backpack mode.
TS
Will NEVER understand why democrats in congress cannot support their President. His intelligence and knowledge runs rings around all of them.
Same reasoning as to why people will vote for Trump – like the dumb guy in position of power – makes them feel superior. Put a smart black guy or white woman there – they have to admit to their stupid.
? Martin
@Pogonip:
Whoa.
I would recommend you never take a supervisor job. Almost everything Trump did in this situation is illegal in California under sexual harassment or hostile workplace laws. If you have an employee not meeting the terms of their employment there are a whole host of things you can do to address that problem. Insulting them is not one of them. Embarrassing them in a public spectacle is definitely not one of them. That contract almost certainly stated what the consequences would be of not meeting the contract – namely they would be stripped of their crown and of the financial benefits that came with it.
In my experience, supervisors that step beyond standard hiring policies are doing so because they have taken some personal offense to the situation and the standard policies aren’t designed to repair their ego so they seek out some cause of action that will. Not often enough does that desire result in their termination.
There is no excuse for Trump’s actions. Any normal supervisor doing that with a semi-competent HR department would be terminated for that behavior with the blessing of the lawyers.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Dmbeaster:
It’s supposed to be 92° on Saturday.
Mnemosyne
@Steeplejack (phone):
There’s a conference call tomorrow night. I just wanted to canvass the hive mind and see if there’s anything else I should think of. As a former Girl Scout, I like to Be Prepared.
It will partly depend on who the planners are. In my experience, some planners are great at scheduling hours and locations, but forget about things like luggage.
JR in WV
@p.a.:
You are an ass! I’ve paid as little as $1.73 for gas during Obama’s term, and as much as $3+ for high-test. It has so little to do with the Presidential decisions, until a war starts in the Mid-east. Even though we don’t get much oil from the Mid-east any more, mostly closer, Nigeria, Brazil, Mexico, North Dakota, OK, TX.
Flying from Tucson AZ to Atlanta GA last time, we flew over miles and miles of regular perforations, wells, searching for oil where they didn’t find any. Billions of $$ in dry holes. Geology messed up for nothing.
And you think we’re paying $6 for gas right now? If you are, you are both stupid AND ripped off.
Miss Bianca
@nonynony: “broken her college’s honor code”?
What the hell is Wellesley supposed to do – revoke her degree? Jesus clog-dancing Christ, are all these Republicans huffing aerosol in their spare time?
schrodinger's cat
@? Martin: We agree rarely but on this one, I agree 100%.
SFAW
@MattF:
After reading the Chait article, and taking a cue from Villago’s nym: assuming Hitlary wins the election, can we ship all these intellectually dishonest, lying, anti-American motherfuckers to The Hague, and try them for “Crimes against Humanity”? Their hatred of anything not exactly like them, or of anyone trying to help persons who are not exactly like them, should disqualify them from being able to remain unconfined.
In a rational world, these motherfuckers would be fired, beaten, or worse. FSM, I hate them.
Percysowner
@Iowa Old Lady: I’m sure the Director said sure, we’ll give up working on the 10 most wanted list and trying to prevent terrorism and get right on checking if Secretary Clinton violated the honor code 40 years after she graduated from college.
Matt McIrvin
@piratedan:
The toxicity would return as soon as white people noticed that the party had a lot of black people. You can change the name but not get rid of the racism underlying the antipathy.
Miss Bianca
@schrodinger’s cat: are you interviewing at a stable? Or for some horse-related position? In that case, it would not only be acceptable, but practically de riguer.
Mnemosyne
@schrodinger’s cat:
What position is the interview for? You couldn’t wear it for a bank job, but it would probably be fine for academia.
Out here in casual So Cal, it seems that dresses are pretty popular for ladies who are interviewing. Also skirt-and-cardigan combos.
Amir Khalid
@? Martin:
I guess you’d be paying a premium for the “ambience” at the Benjamin Bar & Lounge. That being the Donald’s euphemism for the financing terms he was saddled with as a bad loan risk.
Mnemosyne
@JR in WV:
I think your snark detector may need servicing, sir.
Calouste
@Pogonip: Space on an airplane is tight, so there is some requirement that airplane personnel is not too large. Same as there is a minimum height requirement for cabin crew because they must be able to reach the overhead lockers. Of course, not too large is a far way away from underweight.
Shell
Just read the novel Forrest Gump and was surprised on how different it is from the movie. In the book, yup, he’s asked to run for Congress. His main adviser assures him that he’ll appeal to the regular American Joe
Matt McIrvin
@JR in WV: I believe p. a. is snarking about the predictions we heard during the early Obama administration, when he was blamed for the price rise relative to Inauguration Day 2008 (when gas prices had hit an anomalous low because the global economy had just collapsed).
schrodinger's cat
@Miss Bianca: Not a horse related position unfortunately. Its fall like and I want to wear my cute boots.
chopper
@schrodinger’s cat:
don’t you mean “LBean”?
Calouste
@Percysowner: William & Mary should react that there must have been a mistake made in giving a diploma to Steve Chabot, because no one that stupid could possibly meet the graduation requirements of their fine institution.
schrodinger's cat
@Mnemosyne: Teaching position, subbing for someone on leave for 6 months.
Major Major Major Major
@chopper: OL!
Eric U.
My understanding of the current oil prices is that the Saudis are trying their best to kill alternative energy development. It’s certainly working with fracking for natural gas, but then again, that was a little too successful.
I think there have been manipulations in gas prices in preparation for the upcoming election. I always thought that was really successful in moderating enthusiasm for Gore. The mushy middle votes the way they do for really stupid reasons
schrodinger's cat
@chopper: Nope, 2 Ls. They has wicked good shooz and backpacks.
NotMax
Another day, another dolar.
shomi
So it’s official. Trump won the debate. Just ask him.
schrodinger's cat
@shomi: He is a legend in his own mind. Sad.
? Martin
@schrodinger’s cat: I think we agree more often than you realize. ;)
catclub
@Major Major Major Major:
Well, Since Obama claims to be the ‘don’t do dumb things/ don’t start dumb wars’ president, you might be right.
scav
@Mnemosyne: If you’re really going to have to possibly tote everything around, I’d personally be hesitant about bringing along any good knitting project. I’d really just grab extra yarn that I like enough to work with but would have zero regrets in ditching if things got too heavy, and then use it to work on simple projects that are enough to occupy the fingers and compulsion without being in real danger being mashed about in a bag. Simple projects being easier to frog or tink, plus also easier pick it up and put it down without worrying overmuch about where you are. (Circular needle project also a net plus, also maybe a pair that could be abandoned if need be without looking back.) Of course, all this rather reflects my use of knitting sometimes to just occupy the fingers and midbrain.
schrodinger's cat
@? Martin: True. But I do like to tease you.
Aleta
@Mnemosyne: Two hats in case one is lost (but that’s me who does that). Or can pick up one there, but for me the day I forget my hat will be the day it is hottest, cloudless, with extra helpings of reflected UV.
NorthLeft12
Jut read this on Hullabaloo;
Major Major Major Major
@catclub: That was my first clue, yes ;)
Pogonip
@? Martin: Do beauty queens have supervisors? I’ve only known one and we didn’t talk about her contract. We talked about the expense. She said that by the time you pay for the charm school, the modeling school, the hair, the dental work, the makeup artist, the podiatrist, and on and on and on, you’re doing well to break even. It doesn’t become profitable until you get up into the higher levels. It was an interesting conversation.
scav
@Calouste: I’m personally hoping that the Boy Scouts start going after all the politicians that have failed to live by their strict codes and there are undoubtedly some Sunday Schools about to come gunning for lapsed attendees.
randy khan
So, is the misspelling like the fringe on the flag? Does it make the whole debate invalid?
Pogonip
@? Martin: I suppose it depends not only on what state you’re in but whether the beauty queen is an employee or, like your paper boy, an “independent contractor” ( and don’t get me started on the independent-contractor scam or we’ll be here all day). At any rate, any lawyer who wishes to die on the Alicia Machado hill may do so with my blessing.
satby
Saw this and had to laugh, someone in the media isn’t worried about calling it like it is:
Dee Loralei
@SiubhanDuinne: I love you.
James E Powell
@Mnemosyne:
Maintain a calm demeanor whenever you encounter a dog. If anyone is hostile or creepy, nod-smile-leave. Drink water.
schrodinger's cat
@chopper: I just got your joke! Snark meter needed adjustment.
Amir Khalid
@satby:
The Huffington Post feels the need to make up for its original decision to cover Trump’s campaign in its Entertainment section.
James E Powell
@MattF:
I quite often go full Hilary Hahn on long commutes.
Divf
@Brachiator: But I will bet a bright new penny there isn’t any 3-l Hilllary.
ETA: others got there first.
hovercraft
@shomi:
He so won it according to the polls the f**king FOX just told their on air ‘talent’ and producers not to air. That is truly a resounding Win!
Speaking of delusional, Qusay has spoken:
Eric Trump: ‘I’ll Always Remember’ My Dad Not Bringing Up Bill Clinton
Roger Moore
@Pogonip:
I wouldn’t say that being “underweight” is important to being a beauty queen. I would say that what’s important for a beauty queen is for her to maintain her beauty, which would mean not drastically changing her appearance. That would include not putting on a lot of weight, but also not losing a ton of weight if she started out on the heavier side. It might also cover things like obvious tattoos, piercings, wild hair style or color, and the like. The point is that she won her job at least in part through her appearance, so she has an obligation to maintain her appearance as part of keeping the job.
hovercraft
@NorthLeft12:
How is this possible, I’ve been told she’s cold calculating and scheming?
Mnemosyne
@scav:
I just discovered yesterday that Anna H at Mochimochi Land has a Tiny Hillary pattern, so now that’s what I’m leaning towards. A couple of cheap Lion or Red Heart skeins in yellow and off-white for hair and skin, a bunch of scrap yarn, a sandwich bag of stuffing, and I’m prepared to endear myself to all my fellow canvassers (or at least as many of them as I can make tiny Hillarys for on the trip — I’m not the fastest knitter). Win/win!
LAO
O/T: for anyone interested in what’s going on at the Bundy Trial today. A compilation of tweets, courtesy of the Fogbow.com.
different-church-lady
@hovercraft: I wouldn’t call that piling on. I’d call that what any decent human being would say.
It only looks like “piling on” because we have so few decent human beings nowadays.
? Martin
@Eric U.:
I don’t think that’s it, really. The US has become the largest oil/gas producer in the world under Obama. Matched SA in 2011 and last year we were a good 30% ahead of SA – and the US doesn’t respond to OPEC production interests. We’ve been driving down prices in the west for the last few years, and with local alternative energy development means that the US is steadily moving from importer to exporter status. That’s a massive threat to SA and OPEC. And if that wasn’t enough pressure on them, Iran being a pariah nation meant that their oil was largely off the market, but Obama’s deal with Iran changed that, adding yet more supply.
SA is under tremendous pressure right now. They are burning through their cash reserves at an alarming pace. 90% of their revenues are from oil and 70% of citizens work for the government. If oil prices stay low, the country will be in economic crisis within just a few years and may join its neighbors by having public uprisings.
I suspect the push to cut production was intended to undermine the US shale/fracking economy and to force the US to reduce production by pushing prices below break-even costs for certain extraction techniques/regions. The problem is that the US has done a lot more work in terms of lowering the cost of extraction (in ways that environmentalists are rightly upset about) than SA has done in terms of getting their own economy to a sustainable point.
I think the US has determined that Iran’s regional interests are no more of a threat to the US than SAs interests, and that the US would be better off with a weaker SA hand in the region who have been much more influential of global terrorists than the Iranians have. Israel would disagree with that trade-off, but I bet almost all of Europe would prefer to see that shift of power take place. And that shift of power is mostly happening in the oil markets.
There’s no manipulation taking place. The oil market is almost impossible to manipulate. You’ll get political effects in the market in various ways, but that’s not conspiratorial – it’s just a reflection of what the future likely holds.
Iowa Old Lady
@LAO: Are you having a good time?
scav
@Mnemosyne: Brilliant! And having easy topics of conversation plus giveaways is stellar: You will be so popular. (I found the mochimochi Trump almost too endearing to be comfortable — a little penguin or easter chick in a red tie.)
The Lodger
@? Martin: a political party turned into Branch Davidians
That would be a bad MOVE.
p.a.
I just started my 2nd beer so I don’t think it’s the alcohol: Ben Stein on CNN bad mouthing the insult comic.
Brachiator
So, I guess this means that Congress cannot invite her to the Homecoming Party. But they have outfoxed themselves since a honor code violation does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense (See Marbury v Delta Phi Alpha, 1804)
hovercraft
Michelle isn’t buying the new non-birther Trump.
WATCH
The big guns are out, now they have him on the ropes, they’re not letting up.
PST
Of all the post-debate news, what I like best is the rush by Trump’s advisers to pin the blame on the candidate personally for his poor performance rather than take any heat themselves. It looks like the NY TImes may have the most complete reporting (nice going!), but TPM has a succinct summary. Apologies if it has already been quoted above.
To risk angering the candidate like this suggests that they are looking ahead to their next jobs and more worried that a prospective employer might hold them responsible for the looming disaster than worried that their current employer might punish them for disloyalty.
Pogonip
@schrodinger’s cat: Dress like someone who already has the job.
Steeplejack
@JR in WV:
Or you turned off your snarkmeter and forgot to turn it back on again. Give it a shake, grandpa! See if it’s on.
“Hilary Cllinton” wasn’t enough of a clue for you?
LAO
@Iowa Old Lady: If I say yes, are you all going to think I’m crazy? Ammon might testify today, if the defense runs out of witnesses, so hell yeah.
Amir Khalid
@? Martin:
That’s all very nice, but low oil prices are hurting non-OPEC exporters like Malaysia. The economy here is in pretty dire condition.
Mnemosyne
@scav:
I was hoping she would have an existing taco pattern similar to her burger pattern but, sadly, no. And the Yarnover Truck pattern (which I could adapt to be a taco truck) seems to only be sold on the Truck, which I think is in OC or SD this week. Sad!
Mike in dc
The next debate is a town hall in St. Louis, with some of the questions determined by a “survey”, which has already been freeped. So, expect some wingnutty questions to come Clinton’s way. I expect they’ll be prepared for it. I wouldn’t mind a little bit of counter-freeping, though.
Iowa Old Lady
@LAO: This whole thing is such a sideshow that it’s extraordinarily entertaining. Besides, everybody needs a hobby.
p.a.
@Steeplejack: thanks, I was away from the intertubes for a while.
Pogonip
@Roger Moore: Yes, that’s what I was getting at. Although I suspect no woman will ever be scolded for LOSING weight.
Steeplejack
@schrodinger’s cat:
Has this election killed everyone’s sense of humor? Jeez.
rikyrah
@Mnemosyne:
Good luck and have fun :)
piratedan
I guess one of the hardest realities that is difficult to reconcile is how each side is perceived based on what they say…
Hillary, hasn’t threatened to take away ALL of the guns, just introduce some common sense gun controls and checks. Hasn’t advocated for open borders and unequivocal amnesty for all illegal immigrants. She doesn’t believe in persecuting Christians, just to stop persecuting everyone else based on race, creed or gender.
Yet….
Trump has stated that he believes that our allies should “pay for play” in regards to our treaty obligations. He has advocated stopping all immigration and mass deportation of people here NOW, that are actively contributing to our economy. Has questioned why not go nuclear to solve the problems in the world and we’re not talking power plants. Has repeated demonstrated that he takes each criticism personally and has lashed out at all of his critics repeatedly and advocated their death or assault.
Yet, every wingnut takes it on faith that Clinton will do what she’s never said and that Trump won’t do what he has said.
Steeplejack
@satby:
They’ve been putting that at the bottom of all their Trump stories for quite a while.
catclub
@Mike in dc:
I think the organizers gave themselves plenty of room to ignore the wingnutty questions.
Mnemosyne
@scav:
Waaaait — now it looks like the Truck will be in my neighborhood on Friday. I emailed them to see if they’ll have any kits with them. If so, taco trucks for all!
hovercraft
@PST:
Someone over at Slate is arguing that Gulliani is right, Trump should skip the res of the debates, because the bad press he gets for that will be a lot less damaging that him standing up there again with no clothes on.
different-church-lady
@JR in WV: I think you need to find a mulit-meter that measures sarcasm more accurately.
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
Sick burn! That’ll show her.
p.a.
Interesting times. One person running for President, the other running to be Don Rickles’ Vegas fill-in. Even at that, he’s strictly lounge talent.
Hoodie
@? Martin:
In other words, he wants to rewrite the contract because the contractual remedy is not what he wants. This seems to be a recurrent theme with Trump, and makes you think that him stiffing vendors and creditors has less to do with greed and more with a delight in inflicting pain. Trump could have simply terminated her contract if there was a breach (I think most of those pageants have provisions for the runner up to serve). No, he wanted to publicly humiliate her because he’s an insecure asshole with a compulsion to publicly show dominance over women to cover his empty soul, hence his incessant boasting about his amorous conquests to panty sniffers like Howard Stern.
I can’t recall there ever being a more sociopathic presidential candidate. In many ways, much worse than Goldwater or even Nixon. OT, now Eric Trump is singing the praises of deal old dad’s forbearance in not bringing up Bill Clinton’s infidelity. That whole family is sick.
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
Fluke probably has a good one.
hovercraft
Actually, Trump Should Skip the Next Two Debates
Poor Donald. No poor America.
PS the link is SLATE
PST
@hovercraft:
I read it but I’m not convinced. To pull out, no matter how it might be dressed up, would be a concession of inadequacy. I would call it unthinkable, but of course so is not producing taxes and an array of other behaviors, so I suppose anything is thinkable this year. Nevertheless, if I were Trump (mental floss, please) I would balance the inevitable disgrace of a no-show against the possibility that crowd questions and Mike Wallace will make Rounds II and III more congenial than Round I.
scav
@Mnemosyne: Truck? I am unfamiliar with any truck. But now I’m thinking about tacos. Tortilla shell is easy, maybe some sort of deliberately bad green icord (with loose loops or random increases/decreases) for the lettuce, and some overstitched tomatoes and meat?
D58826
OT 2nd amendment strikes again. Two kids and a teacher were shot in an elementary school in SC. taken to local trauma center . teenage shooter in custody. A real Murkin has to be on his guard about those elementary school kids. Why one of them might kick you in the shin.
hovercraft
@PST:
If continues on the way he’s going, he will be able to justify it to himself by saying the media are against him, and the debates are rigged. He can still say he won, while saying this because he;s Trump and he doesn’t have to make sense. He can conspiracy his way out without admitting any inadequacy.
chopper
@different-church-lady:
oh right, a sarcasm detector, that’s a great idea.
Roger Moore
@schrodinger’s cat:
You need to check out the Tom Bihn stuff. Their bags and accessories are truly first rate. Their designs are excellent, they use top notch materials, and they’re actually made in the US. Of course that doesn’t come cheap, but quality never does.
Steeplejack
@chopper:
Well played.
Uncle Cosmo
@Eric U.: A few decades back I reviewed books (mostly hardbacks, mostly SF & nonfiction pop-science, some more respectable tomes) for a then-kindasorta-major metropolitan paper. Occasionally I’d be quoted (occasionally dishonestly out of context, the bastards) on the inside front or back cover of the paperback, but always anonymously–only the name of the rag would appear.
Until one day, the sequel to a book I’d reviewed fairly favorably came out in hardback, & not only did it feature a blurb from my review of the earlier volume on the back cover; mirabile dictu, it appeared under my own name
…misspelled. Sic transit gloria mundi. :^(
(NB my Italian surname is so simple to spell, & so common on the Net in a completely different context, that no one seems to be able to spell it correctly. I guess they figure it must have been misspelled in the first place & then “fix” it to what it “oughta” be. Imbecili!)
Mnemosyne
@scav:
One of the reasons Southern California has the best truck culture in the whole damn country: the Yarnover Truck. Yes, it’s a yarn store … on wheels!
rikyrah
@hovercraft:
I love my FLOTUS