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You are here: Home / Worse than Worthless (alternate working title- “OWW MY BALLS”)

Worse than Worthless (alternate working title- “OWW MY BALLS”)

by John Cole|  September 29, 20164:18 pm| 162 Comments

This post is in: Bring on the Brawndo!, Our Failed Political Establishment

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These guys:

The Senate’s top Republican Thursday warned that legislation enacted over President Barack Obama’s veto to allow families of Sept. 11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia in U.S. courts may have “unintended ramifications” and that lawmakers should discuss fixes to the measure.

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the White House was too slow to warn about the “potential consequences” of the measure. Both the House and Senate overwhelmingly overrode Obama’s veto of the measure on Wednesday.

McConnell said he told the president recently that the 9/11 victims bill “was an example of an issue that we should have talked about much earlier.”

***

“Everybody was aware of who the potential beneficiaries were but nobody really had focused on the downside in terms of our international relationships,” McConnell said.

McConnell said that the dynamic involving the bill — in which it barreled through both chambers before and proved unstoppable — was what happens when there is “failure to communicate early about the potential consequences of a piece of legislation that was obviously very popular.“

It’s almost like he doesn’t know it’s his fucking job in the Senate to write bills and schedule debate to “talk about” and discuss “potential consequences.” Beyond that, it’s not like it was super hard to predict there would be consequences. In fact, a certain injury prone D-list blogger with an ice cream fetish and an animal hoarding problem thought of them pretty quick:

RE: 9/11 override

Gonna be interesting when the tens of thousands of victims (excuse me, collateral damage) start suing us.

— Your Debate Binky (@Johngcole) September 28, 2016

Also, there’s a particular somebody, gosh, what’s his name- Soetero something or other- WHO FUCKING VETOED THE GOD DAMNED BILL:

Congressional leaders plan to hold override votes in the coming days and supporters of the legislation say they are confident they can succeed in overturning the president’s action. It would be the first time during Obama’s presidency that Congress has overridden a veto.

The legislation would allow U.S. courts to waive claims to foreign sovereign immunity in cases involving terrorism on U.S. soil. The administration contends that this would break a longstanding practice that sovereign nations are protected from these types of legal threats. The result, according to the White House, is that American officials could now be sued in foreign courts over U.S. military or diplomatic actions abroad, which administration officials said poses a threat to national security.

“I recognize that there is nothing that could ever erase the grief the 9/11 families have endured. My Administration therefore remains resolute in its commitment to assist these families in their pursuit of justice and do whatever we can to prevent another attack in the United States,” the president wrote in his veto message to Congress. “Enacting [this legislation] into law, however, would neither protect Americans from terrorist attacks nor improve the effectiveness of our response to such attacks.”

You were literally planning to hold an override vote without holding any debate as he was telling you about the fucking unintended consequences, YOU STUPID CONFEDERATE HUMPING RETROGRADE IGNORAMUS.

If the media let these guys get away with this or try to pin this on Obama, they are as bad as McConnell.

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  1. 1.

    Mwangangi

    September 29, 2016 at 4:21 pm

    Yeah. This is why I’m glad I have a virtual keyboard. Because I feel like I would’ve used it in a violent, off label manner when I read that.

  2. 2.

    LosGatosCA

    September 29, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    What a complete dick!

  3. 3.

    eric

    September 29, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    Given that is a undeniable “fact” that the democrats are responsible for gridlock in DC, i wont be no thang to blame Obama for the passage of a bill he vetoed.

  4. 4.

    Amir Khalid

    September 29, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    “It’s his fault! He should’ve convinced me I was doing something stupid!”

  5. 5.

    Iowa Old Lady

    September 29, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    MajorX4 has been analyzing BJ posts, and as soon as I saw the title of this one, I knew it was Cole’s. Cole is, of course, right. McConnell is a slithery snake.

  6. 6.

    Skerry

    September 29, 2016 at 4:24 pm

    I understand why the Republicans voted to override the veto, but why the hell did so many Democrats vote that way too?! No excuse

  7. 7.

    Sean

    September 29, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    Jesus…Republicans are pathetic. YOU DIDN’T WARN ME LOUD ENOUGH! Maybe it’s the fact that McConnell’s a fucking racist who refuses to listen to Obama that caused him to do something so stupid.

    And which Democrats voted for this veto override? I want to tell them personally to go fuck themselves.

  8. 8.

    max

    September 29, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    YOU STUPID CONFEDERATE HUMPING RETROGRADE IGNORAMUS.

    Pretty good Cole, except I don’t see how anyone, even a turtle, can hump himself.

    max
    [‘Although I suppose it would be a politician who would figure out how…’]

  9. 9.

    Joseph Nobles

    September 29, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    There is not face enough to palm here.

  10. 10.

    different-church-lady

    September 29, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    A president with some guts would come out with a campaign against drinking bleach. But nooooooo, gotta look forward and not back…

  11. 11.

    John Cole

    September 29, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    @Skerry:

    I understand why the Republicans voted to override the veto, but why the hell did so many Democrats vote that way too?! No excuse

    They didn’t want to get pummeled with ads for 6 weeks saying they don’t support 9/11 families.

  12. 12.

    azlib

    September 29, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    Obviously, anything bad is always Obama’s fault. McConnell looks like a real jerk in what he says.

  13. 13.

    different-church-lady

    September 29, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    @max: Who knows what goes on in that shell?

  14. 14.

    TaMara (HFG)

    September 29, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    @Skerry: Because only Republicans can get away with denying anything to Vets and 9/11 first responders and survivors

    ETA: Or what John Cole said…

  15. 15.

    hueyplong

    September 29, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    Now. Now is the time for President Obama to announce that under no circumstances are any Republican lawmakers ever to drink Drano.

    And he should say it “arrogantly.”

    Please, Mr. President. Do not wait until tomorrow.

  16. 16.

    Ian

    September 29, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    McConnell probably wishes he had a time machine. I think it is pretty low that the excuse is “the president failed to warn us!”. When, at any point in the past 8 years, has this shitstain listened to a thing Barack Obama has said?

  17. 17.

    indycat32

    September 29, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    Obama discussed this last night in the town hall on CNN. He explained why he vetoed it and that the senate is not going to vote against 9/11 families in an election year, because they’re a bunch of sniveling cowards. (OK I added that last bit but it was strongly implied).

  18. 18.

    D58826

    September 29, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: What do you have against snakes. Many snakes perform very useful functions like keeping the rat population under control.

  19. 19.

    germy

    September 29, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    @different-church-lady: What happens in the shell stays in the shell.

  20. 20.

    PPCLI

    September 29, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the White House was too slow to warn about the “potential consequences” of the measure.

    “Look.” McConnell continued “He knows full well that if he opposes something, we are going to do it immediately, without asking even the most basic questions, both to put obstacles in his way and just out of spite. So it was very irresponsible of him to oppose this bill openly. Now we have to clean up the mess that he is totally at fault for.”

  21. 21.

    Mary G

    September 29, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    This reminds me of every abuser in the world who claims it’s his victim’s fault he beat the shit out of him/her.

  22. 22.

    acallidryas

    September 29, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    I already saw a WSJ article complaining about the bill saying, “To be sure, Obama deserves some blame for not education Congress on the dangers….”

    Trump’s the symptom not the disease.

  23. 23.

    Jeffro

    September 29, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    @PPCLI:

    “Look.” McConnell continued “He knows full well that if he opposes something, we are going to do it immediately, without asking even the most basic questions, both to put obstacles in his way and just out of spite. So it was very irresponsible of him to oppose this bill openly. Now we have to clean up the mess that he is totally at fault for.”

    Pretty much!

    The Goopers better just be glad that Dems – and Obama especially – aren’t built to be vindictive, petty little asses like they are. It wouldn’t take too much to turn this kind of reflexive stupidity into some nice 30-second spots in the Majority Leader’s state, just for kicks.

  24. 24.

    BGinCHI

    September 29, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    We’re gonna need bigger re-education camps.

  25. 25.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    September 29, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    It really is unbelievable how much shit Republicans have gotten away with. No wonder they never change except to get worse and worse – there is zero accountability for them, from either the purity left who blame Democrats for not getting shit they want, or the hard right who spin and excuse and lie and conspiracy monger and double down and blame everyone else when they fuck shit up, and work the media to get their bullshit on TV. I am for the TPP because Obama is. He’s the only one I trust to see beyond his own shoes.

  26. 26.

    Helen

    September 29, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    Yeah well, just wait until Hillary wins with 49% of the vote. If the R’s keep the senate you can rest assured Mitch will tell us that she doesn’t have a mandate and gosh durnitt we’re just gonna have to wait 4 more years for a full supreme court so that the “voters can speak.”

  27. 27.

    Barbara

    September 29, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    McConnell does look sort of like a cross between the lion and the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz, and obviously lacks both a brain and courage. I mean I’m just a functionary in an office and even I know what the consequences are likely to be and I even said so in a thread that came out before McConnell’s ridiculous tweet.

  28. 28.

    Pogonip

    September 29, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    On the subject of animals, vegetarian cat food came up last night. I thought it was probably a joke, but I looked it up and such a product actually exists. The mind boggles.

  29. 29.

    comrade scott's agenda of rage

    September 29, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    If When the media lets these guys get away with this or try to pin this on Obama, they are as bad as McConnell.

    Fixed.

    It’s a given the media will do one or the other so I assume that was a rhetorical statement.

    Regarding [the lack] of re-education camps: Yet. Another. Obama. Failure.
    Worst. President. Ever.

    /snark

  30. 30.

    George Spiggott

    September 29, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    Implicit in this argument is that the Post Turtle just admitted that the Lion King is smarter than he and his fellow reptiles are.

  31. 31.

    ? Martin

    September 29, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    See my comment in the previous thread about institutional failure and inability to hold leaders accountable…

  32. 32.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    September 29, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    @Helen:

    I’ve had that thought too, and the media will play along. Notice how there’s been no discussion of Garland in the media, at all.

  33. 33.

    TriassicSands

    September 29, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    McConnell: My job is to prevent the Democrat [sic] president from being successful. It is not, I repeat NOT, to be a thoughtful, responsible member of the government who looks out for the best interests of the country.

  34. 34.

    Barbara

    September 29, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    @efgoldman: I won’t be petty, or an ass, but vindictive is looking more and more appealing every day.

  35. 35.

    geg6

    September 29, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    They had such a hard on to finally overturn one of his vetoes that they never looked into the consequences. It was all “we showed that uppity ni**er what’s what, didn’t we?” And the cowardly Dems who went along are just pandering to the 9/11 families in an election year. I certainly feel for the 9/11 families and wish they could get some sort of justice for their losses. And I have no doubt that someone or several someones in the Saudi royal family/government were playing along with the plot. But…

    IANAL nor am I a diplomat, but even I figured out that this would have significant blowback on the US if passed.

  36. 36.

    Tractarian

    September 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    @John Cole:

    They didn’t want to get pummeled with ads for 6 weeks saying they don’t support 9/11 families.

    True, but the same “excuse” could be given by Republicans, right? It’s complete horsesh!t.

    On the other hand, what McConnell is saying is absolutely mind-boggling. He is saying he voted on this without contemplating the negative consequences.

    “Everybody was aware of who the potential beneficiaries were but nobody really had focused on the downside in terms of our international relationships,” McConnell said.

    There’s no amount of snark or sarcasm that can appropriately convey how irresponsible and delinquent this is. You would literally get fired as a McDonalds manager if you displayed this type of brazen negligence.

    I’m not prone to hyperbole, but if this is how Congress normally operates, it is terrifying.

  37. 37.

    Ryan

    September 29, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    What, no one read the bill? None of this came up in committee?

  38. 38.

    redshirt

    September 29, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    Isn’t there a clause in this which allows the State Department to over-ride if it wishes?

  39. 39.

    Corner Stone

    September 29, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    That jacket HRC has on in her Q&A presser is making my brain go full fucking Max Headroom. That’s the worst chosen piece of wardrobe I have seen in a while.
    Not to be all catty but it keeps cycling power charges! Seizure, here I come! Don’t shoot me SDPD!

  40. 40.

    Corner Stone

    September 29, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    OMG, Thought Leaders. No wonder we haven’t heard much from Fuckhead lately. He’s been advising the HRC campaign!

  41. 41.

    Iowa Old Lady

    September 29, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    @Corner Stone: Does it have a moire effect or something? I haven’t seen it.

  42. 42.

    Linda

    September 29, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    I hate the Repubs as much as any sane person, but the majority became veto proof due to rhe cowardly votes of Dems who were afraid of future negative campaign ads. Shame on them.

  43. 43.

    liberal

    September 29, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    @redshirt: I think Larison said that. If so, the bill is meaningless.

  44. 44.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    September 29, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    I’d like to say something witty and pithy here, but, shit, this is so fucking hard to believe that even I can’t come up with anything. “Why didn’t you didn’t tell us that setting our own dicks on fire was a dumb thing to do? Wait, you did? Well, why didn’t you tell us louder?”

  45. 45.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    September 29, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    So the GOP has offically become Britexit dumb.

  46. 46.

    MattF

    September 29, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    So, you see, there was the initial vote, there was a veto, there was a veto message, there were plenty of lobbyists (yes, bought by the Saudis) who warned everyone repeatedly. Through all this, McConnell was, apparently, hiding in his pillow fort, fingers in his ears shouting ‘LA LA LA LA LA’. Blame Obama.

  47. 47.

    Barbara

    September 29, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    @Linda: No, Linda. We are all in this together whether we like it or not and we do not expect bravery only from one quarter. It will not do — just as it did not do when TARP was passed. I don’t like this bill, it’s stupid and has bad consequences but it’s not the end of the world and I do not expect Democrats to step off the ledge in order to save us from it.

  48. 48.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    September 29, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    @George Spiggott: More like the Turtle just admitted he was expecting the Lion King to save the Turtle from voluntarily turning himself into a Hyena all you can eat buffet.

  49. 49.

    DCrefugee

    September 29, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    If it was almost any issue other than enabling 9/11-related suits against the Saudis, (and if the Dems had a brain and a backbone, and if I had a pony…), this would be the perfect turn of events to slam rethuglicans mercilessly between now and November. Sadly, some Dems voted to override.

    Before the debate, I was almost ready to curl up into a ball over this election. Every day since Monday has seen good news for Ds. I’m ready to run wind sprints.

  50. 50.

    Another Scott

    September 29, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    @different-church-lady: Yup.

    The Teabaggers and the House and Senate leadership were all over this because it was a way to finally defeat Obama on something. The Democrats (except for Harry and the 77 “brave” souls in the House) were all over it because they’re scared to death of being labeled as “9/11 victim haters” or something.

    It’s so stupid.

    This is yet another reason why we have to do our best to vote out these stupid, dangerous GOP clowns. Once we have the majority again, then we can work on the “re-education” and backbone exercises for those fortunate enough to represent us…

    (sigh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  51. 51.

    bobbo

    September 29, 2016 at 5:23 pm

    I do not get this at all. I have no respect for McConnell’s unprecedented obstructionism, but I at least gave him credit for a bare minimum of competence. How could he not know what the bill would do? If he didn’t know before the override vote, how is he suddenly aware of the consequences now? Angry phone calls from Saudi princes? Or was his actual plan to override the veto and then blame Obama for the override? Is that even plausible?

  52. 52.

    D58826

    September 29, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    @Barbara: yep if your going to be vindictive I say don’t be petty about go whole hog. And I approve of the message

  53. 53.

    sunny raines

    September 29, 2016 at 5:28 pm

    if you wrote a novel about the stupidest effing people you could imagine, it would pale in comparison to today’s republicans. No sane person could think a do republican stupid on purpose.

  54. 54.

    msdc

    September 29, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    You were literally planning to hold an override vote without holding any debate as he was telling you about the fucking unintended consequences, YOU STUPID CONFEDERATE HUMPING RETROGRADE IGNORAMUS.

    And also, you know, only one senator – one – voted to uphold that veto, and his name ain’t Mitch McConnell. (It’s Harry Reid.)

    But sure, go ahead, talk about the unintended consequences of your own goddamned vote, you fucking hypocrite.

  55. 55.

    catclub

    September 29, 2016 at 5:29 pm

    So any comments on the clause that Schumer put in that gives the State dept waiver/delay power on any cases – by claiming that the State dept and the respective foreign govt. are looking into the issue?

    Would you be surprised if that had gotten past the GOP – or they let it get by on purpose?

  56. 56.

    Geeno

    September 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    @srv: Der Cleekstoßlegende – I like it. For whenever they fuck themselves with their knee jerk opposition.

  57. 57.

    Another Scott

    September 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    @bobbo:

    How could he not know what the bill would do?

    McConnell and the rest are lying.

    They know what the bill would do. They don’t care. They just wanted a cudgel to defeat Obama and the Democrats before the election. After the over-ride was done, then they can change the law so that it doesn’t actually do what they promised, and everything will be “fine” again.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  58. 58.

    msdc

    September 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @John Cole: Somehow, though, it was fine for Republicans to withhold aid from 9/11 first responders. Voters never held them accountable for that.

    It’s almost like It’s Okay If You’re A Republican or something.

  59. 59.

    Another Scott

    September 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @efgoldman: That costs money. They don’t give money to people – only corporations.

    HTH.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  60. 60.

    catclub

    September 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: No mention that Trump is now only in the Fox bubble – no news conferences since his big success on the ‘I am no longer a birther’ announcement.

  61. 61.

    Cacti

    September 29, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    Now what countries might have an interest in suing the United States?

    Let’s see:

    Iraq, Iran, Libya, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Panama, Venezuela, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Grenada, Haiti…just to name a few.

  62. 62.

    Corner Stone

    September 29, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    @efgoldman: Who pissed all over your old lady compression socks?

  63. 63.

    Chris

    September 29, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    So… By this standard, how many hundreds of thousands of people get to sue our government?

    Not that that always sounds like a bad idea.

  64. 64.

    redshirt

    September 29, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    @Cacti: Don’t forget Chile and Honduras!

  65. 65.

    m.j.

    September 29, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    I’m actually hoping someone will want to sue the Bush torture regime.

  66. 66.

    patroclus

    September 29, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    The Saudi government was planning on issuing their first-ever U.S.$ denominated bond to the investor public this month, but this has tanked it. The idea was that the Saudis need to diversify their economy and become less reliant solely upon oil prices so that they can transition into being a modern country, with regular streams of revenue, rather than having them all commodity based, which is cyclical and subject to boom and bust cycles. You know, sort of “normalizing” the Saudi government, step-by-step. Now, they’re just gonna be teed off, and they will undoubtedly retaliate and allow their citizens to sue the U.S. (and its officials and diplomats) in their “courts” – which will be a joke and a rigged political game. This is stupid policy – the FSIA (and its non-U.S. counterparts) is actually a fundamental cornerstone of modern diplomacy and is important in maintaining normal relations. This will undoubtedly set a stupid precedent and will take time and diplomacy to overcome. All because the Republicans don’t care about actual policy and just wanted to over-ride an Obama veto. And because Dems are cowards. If I were a Senator, I would have voted against this without question (of course, I’d be subjected to attack ads and wouldn’t be a Senator for long, if ever).

  67. 67.

    RaflW

    September 29, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    “nobody really had focused on the downside in terms of our international relationships,” McConnell said

    This statement only makes sense if you think Obama is a nobody. Which clearly McConnell does. He’s a complete shit-for-brains idiot. I’m pretty sure the U.S. House of Cards teevee show was really about McConnell — conniving but stupid. That’s our guy in charge of the Senate!

    And to think we are, as a country, pretending that it’s mainly Trump that is a flailing, terrible ignoramus. I’m all in for Hillary (because to not be is deadly), but I really regret her decision not to smear the whole GOP with the residue of that diaphanous single-ply asswipe Donnie.

    Gaaaaahh!

  68. 68.

    Chet

    September 29, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    So Republicans are blaming Obama for their own votes now?

  69. 69.

    Corner Stone

    September 29, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    @efgoldman: WTF is wrong with you?

  70. 70.

    patroclus

    September 29, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    @Another Scott: Repealing/amending this legislation will take time and effort and probably won’t happen, if ever, until the end of the next Session of Congress. In the meantime, suits will be filed, other countries will retaliate and precedents will be established. Putting the toothpaste back in the tube is always harder.

  71. 71.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 29, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    @Cacti: You could have just said “the whole damn world including Antarctica”.

  72. 72.

    jeffreyw

    September 29, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    Well, at least it wasn’t treasonous.

  73. 73.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    O/T, are the stitches out? How are you feeling?

  74. 74.

    RSA

    September 29, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    You were literally planning to hold an override vote without holding any debate as he was telling you about the fucking unintended consequences…

    “Why didn’t you stop me?” is a question more typically asked by an incontinent drunkard than the Majority Leader of the Senate.

  75. 75.

    redshirt

    September 29, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    @Chet: Thanks Obama!

  76. 76.

    Frankensteinbeck

    September 29, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    Guys, McConnell is not stupid. I guarantee it.

    He is racist as fuck, so he may be unable to accept that Obama can be anything but a dumb negro, but I assure you that is his only point of stupidity and it does not apply here. Yes, he knew this bill would be a clusterfuck. He’s an asshole and he doesn’t care. Why should he? He saw an opportunity to beat Obama at something, knowing he could turn around and blame Obama for the bill. And he will completely get away with it. My best hope is that the Supreme Court steps in.

    I don’t know how suing another country can even happen. I wouldn’t think there’s a court system in place to compel them to give a damn.

  77. 77.

    RaflW

    September 29, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    @Chet: Well of course they are! It’s liberuls fault that the Trumpyam is the GOP nominee because we all cried wolf over Romney and Dubya.

    We are not just post-fact these days, we are in a full-on dissociative fugue state.

  78. 78.

    Another Scott

    September 29, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: People in the US were able to sue Libya over the PanAM 103 and similar things, if I understand this correctly, so it’s not clear to me that this bill was even needed. Unless it had something to do with a country being on a “state supporter of terrorism” list or something. But even then this new bill doesn’t seem to be necessary:

    1) Individuals have no business taking foreign countries to court over things that should be handled by their elected government.

    2) There’s a Victims Compensation Fund which surely was set up so that people wouldn’t have to spend decades in court.

    It just seems like a political stunt to me…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  79. 79.

    Bill

    September 29, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    Let’s assume for a minute it was the President’s job to protect Yertle and Co. from themselves. A veto doesn’t raise any red flags oh chinless wonder? No? Then how about a written statement from the President at the time of veto which includes the following?

    “JASTA threatens to reduce effectiveness of our response to state involvement in terrorism by taking such matters out of the hands of national security and foreign policy and putting them in the hands of courts and private litigants…JASTA would upset longstanding international principles regarding sovereign immunity, putting in place rules that, if applied globally, could have serious implications for U.S. national interests.”

  80. 80.

    Baud

    September 29, 2016 at 5:57 pm

    These are the people who won’t pass an AUMF to fight ISIS, yet blame Obama for ISIS. Given the normalization of Trump that we’ve all seen, this barely registers on the political Richter scale.

  81. 81.

    Roger Moore

    September 29, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @RSA:

    “Why didn’t you stop me?” is a question more typically asked by an incontinent drunkard than the Majority Leader of the Senate.

    You say tomayto, I say tomahto…

  82. 82.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 29, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Yep, they’re gone. I am sore and tired. C’est la vie. On the upside my stepdaughter took pity on us and made us a huge pot of mostacciolli, salad, and a cream pie for dinner last night. We eat leftovers tonight. :-)

  83. 83.

    RaflW

    September 29, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    I have to also say, WTF were House and Senate Democrats thinking? Shit like this makes me hate being associated with that party sometimes. I know it’s sort of popular to suspect Obama on things like TPP or Nat Sec that he’s out of step or hiding something. But he was clearly signaling that this was a bad idea.
    Dems hiding under their desks because they don’t want a TV ad late in the campaign saying that they oppose helping 9/11 families is chickenshit when long term geopolitical destabilization is on the table. Gaaaah!

  84. 84.

    hovercraft

    September 29, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    Jason Miller a Trump spokes person had Chuck Todd laughing in his face, as he claimed that all the polls conducted since the debate showed he had won, so there was no need to change anything. Clinton lost and is in trouble that’s why she is dredging up the Miss Universe controversy. When Chucky pointed out that online polls are bullshit, and asked why all the scientific polls showed a 2 to 1 Hillary win, Miller said that CNN has no viewers, NBC is biased, and they won all 7 immediate polls before the media influenced the poll results. They don’t want to talk about things that happened a long time ago, but hey lets talk about Bill’s women.

  85. 85.

    redshirt

    September 29, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    @Baud: Politics! Who can figure it out?

  86. 86.

    Mnemosyne

    September 29, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @RaflW:

    It’s even more inexcusable that Barbara Boxer voted for it because she isn’t even running for re-election. She’s retiring this year and will be replaced by a Democrat. WTF, Barbara?

  87. 87.

    Baud

    September 29, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    @RaflW:

    Dems hiding under their desks because they don’t want a TV ad late in the campaign saying that they oppose helping 9/11 families is chickenshit when long term geopolitical destabilization is on the table.

    If it were just the TV ads, I’d agree with you. As we’ve seen, the media will validate just about any accusation you can invent about a Democrat. It’s a problem that needs solving, and I don’t think it gets solved by yelling at Dem politicians to be braver. FWIW.

  88. 88.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    On the upside my stepdaughter took pity on us and made us a huge pot of mostacciolli, salad, and a cream pie for dinner

    That would almost be worth the pain. Almost.

  89. 89.

    redshirt

    September 29, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @RaflW: We rarely talk about it here for good reason, but the Democratic Party sucks too. But in an incompetent way, rather than the outright evil way of the Republicans.

  90. 90.

    Baud

    September 29, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Jason Miller a Trump spokes person had Chuck Todd laughing in his face

    Doesn’t it violate one of the laws of physics for Todd to laugh at a Republican?

  91. 91.

    hovercraft

    September 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    All you people complaining clearly don’t get it, Obama and Clinton are responsible for everything bad that happens in the world. When republicans behave badly it’s because Obama makes them behave that way. They are not responsible for anything, unless it’s good, then they did it.

  92. 92.

    dmsilev

    September 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @hovercraft: When you’ve lost Chuck Todd….

  93. 93.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @Baud:

    I didn’t see it, by I heard it on XM in the car. I was amazed at Toddles. It was a thing of beauty.

  94. 94.

    TS

    September 29, 2016 at 6:11 pm

    If the media let these guys get away with this or try to pin this on Obama, they are as bad as McConnell.

    In the past 8 years the media has sided with McConnell and pinned everything on Obama – why on earth would you think they would do anything differently now?

  95. 95.

    Bobby Thomson

    September 29, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    This is like a kid who gets grounded for under age drinking, steals the car keys, goes to a party, gets drunk, crashes the car, and then blames his parents.

  96. 96.

    Roger Moore

    September 29, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    @Bill:
    You don’t seriously expect the Republicans to read that, do you? It uses long words and complicated sentences; anything much above the level of Trump speech is too hard for them to understand.

  97. 97.

    Felonius Monk

    September 29, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    If anyone believes this bullshit that McConnell is trying to peddle, I’ve got some ocean-front property for sale in Iowa that you might also be interested in.

    Turtle is playing games here and it is very likely to blow up in his face. He knew damn well what the implications of this legislation are from the get-go.

  98. 98.

    RaflW

    September 29, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @Bill: Dad saying several times “Don’t touch the hot stove, Chinny” and then even smacking his hand away a few times. Not enough!

    “Whaaaaa, you didn’t save me from myself, Papa!”

  99. 99.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 29, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @hovercraft:

    They are not responsible for anything, unless it’s good, then they did it.

    When was the last time a Republican did anything good?

  100. 100.

    singfoom

    September 29, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Jason Miller a Trump spokes person had Chuck Todd laughing in his face, as he claimed that all the polls conducted since the debate showed he had won, so there was no need to change anything. Clinton lost and is in trouble that’s why she is dredging up the Miss Universe controversy. When Chucky pointed out that online polls are bullshit, and asked why all the scientific polls showed a 2 to 1 Hillary win, Miller said that CNN has no viewers, NBC is biased, and they won all 7 immediate polls before the media influenced the poll results. They don’t want to talk about things that happened a long time ago, but hey lets talk about Bill’s women.

    Wait a minute, Chuck Todd was prepared? He made a journalism? I’m shocked. Maybe he actually felt the heat for his bullshit overprepared tweet. Now, every journalist everywhere, confront these liars like this everywhere. In maybe…a couple years we’ll see a shift. Hopefully.

  101. 101.

    dmsilev

    September 29, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: TPM has the video clip. We’re well into Baghdad Bob territory at this point.

  102. 102.

    Roger Moore

    September 29, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    When was the last time a Republican did anything good?

    Depends on who you’re asking. The Republicans will assure you they’re doing great stuff all the time.

  103. 103.

    hueyplong

    September 29, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @catclub: Fox News will be Trump’s media hidey hole from now until Nov 8.

    As for Chuck Todd “laughing” at a GOP mouthpiece, I assume it was just gas.

    [Apologies to any 4 month olds who are offended by that.]

  104. 104.

    TS

    September 29, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @efgoldman:

    And of course this is after the Republiklowns refused to pass free medical care for 9/11 first responders (multiple times??)

    The American way – don’t won’t the govinmint supporting the people when the lawyers can get someone else to do it. The exact way Trump behaves & the message the GOP is spreading with their current nominee.

    What the idiots didn’t realize – two can play this game – it is not just the US suing other countries …

  105. 105.

    Bobby Thomson

    September 29, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    @bobbo: The plan was for Democrats not to join the override. Then he fails to pass, but can still use it to bludgeon them later.

  106. 106.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 29, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    This will put a smile on your face:

    Lookie here what happens when you call a Latina woman “Miss Housekeeper.”

    National searches for “registrarse para votar”

    (graphs at the link)

  107. 107.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 29, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    This is a new level of chutzpah.

  108. 108.

    hovercraft

    September 29, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I thought you knew that the stock market and the unemployment numbers are a reflection of republican control of congress. The GDP growth rate, that’s Obama’s fault.

  109. 109.

    hueyplong

    September 29, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: Agreed. The Democrats accidentally foiled their plan by acting on their own political knee-jerk cowardice.

  110. 110.

    ThresherK

    September 29, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Yeah, I have no idea what mostacciolli is, but I now have to look it up…

    Okay, I’m in. Must be someplace in an Italian food shop with that pasta.

  111. 111.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 29, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    @hueyplong: this is pretty much how I see it. One party’s entire governing strategy is to shit everywhere and blame the other party for the mess.

  112. 112.

    hovercraft

    September 29, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    @hueyplong:
    Trump hasn’t talked to any media outside FOX and talk radio since early last month, so

    Fox News will be Trump’s media hidey hole from now until Nov 8.

    this is nothing new. In another case of shocking behavior, Mark Halpern said last night that he needed to get out of that bubble, both in terms of who he talks to, and also in terms of what he’s watching.

  113. 113.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 29, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    @hovercraft: Damn. Must have missed that memo. Thanx for the correction

    (ifeelsostoopid)

  114. 114.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Thanks. I should have stuck with audio only.

    Not to be facialhairist (pace efgoldman), but I detest that style of mustache-beard that both guys are wearing. I like a nice neat full beard, but that, whatever it’s called, just looks stoopid.

  115. 115.

    TS

    September 29, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    @singfoom:

    Wait a minute, Chuck Todd was prepared? He made a journalism? I’m shocked. Maybe he actually felt the heat for his bullshit overprepared tweet. Now, every journalist everywhere, confront these liars like this everywhere. In maybe…a couple years we’ll see a shift. Hopefully.

    There is no shift – tomorrow he’ll be back giving the GOP point of view – fools like TOD don’t change – but they do like to be on the “winning side” . After the election Toad will quote this forever to prove he predicted the winner.

  116. 116.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 6:33 pm

    @ThresherK:

    The nice thing about pasta dishes is that often the pastas themselves are pretty interchangeable.

  117. 117.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 29, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    @ThresherK:

    Yeah, I have no idea what mostacciolli is,

    You definitely are not from South St Louis. No south side wedding is complete without Budve!ser, mostaccioli, and at least one brawl.

  118. 118.

    Felonius Monk

    September 29, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:

    whatever it’s called, just looks stoopid.

    C’mon, Chuckles looks stooooopid with or without any facial hair.

  119. 119.

    Bitter Scribe

    September 29, 2016 at 6:36 pm

    “It’s your fault I didn’t listen to you!”

  120. 120.

    sukabi

    September 29, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Ian: or, they could act like adults and do their fucking jobs…which I’m pretty sure includes READING with comprehension the legislation and thinking beyond “let’s screw with Obama” to game out the ramifications of the legislation.

    Pretty sure that’s what they’re sucking up taxpayer dollars to do.

  121. 121.

    Baud

    September 29, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Idi Amin: I want you to tell me what to do.
    Nicholas Garrigan: You want ME to tell YOU what to do?
    Idi Amin: Yes, you are my advisor. You are the only one I can trust in here. You should have told me not to throw the Asians out, in the first place.
    Nicholas Garrigan: I DID!
    Idi Amin: But you did not persuade me, Nicholas. You did not persuade me!

  122. 122.

    Steeplejack (tablet)

    September 29, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:

    Goatee. Doesn’t work in some situations, e.g., round, pudgy faces. And that Trump spox was rocking an overstyled model out of Demetrius and the Gladiators.

  123. 123.

    hovercraft

    September 29, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @Felonius Monk:
    This statement is correct.

  124. 124.

    James E Powell

    September 29, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    @hueyplong:

    Reminds me of the “no funds to close Guantanamo” vote.

  125. 125.

    hueyplong

    September 29, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    Whatever the motivation of the Democrats, it’s kind of fun to watch the Cleeksoldaten look foolish. Again.

  126. 126.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    C’mon, Chuckles looks stooooopid with or without any facial hair.

    Stipulated. But the Trump guy looks even stoooopider.

  127. 127.

    Eric U.

    September 29, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    I can’t decide if I’m happy the dems went along with this or not.

  128. 128.

    Felonius Monk

    September 29, 2016 at 6:52 pm

    BooMan had a one line post up today about Gary Johnson. I’m going to re-purpose it for the subject at hand.

    Mitch McConnell should go get his shine box.

  129. 129.

    Felonius Monk

    September 29, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:

    the Trump guy looks even stoooopider.

    That, too. :-)

  130. 130.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 29, 2016 at 6:53 pm

    @Cacti: Canada. Descendants of Loyalists exiled to Ontario after the Thirteen Colonies won their independence from the UK.

  131. 131.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    @Steeplejack (tablet):

    And that Trump spox was rocking an overstyled model out of Demetrius and the Gladiators.

    I saw Demetrius and the Gladiators.
    Demetrius and the Gladiators was one of my favourite movies.
    Trump spox, you’re no Demetrius and the Gladiators.

  132. 132.

    Roger Moore

    September 29, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    C’mon, Chuckles looks stooooopid with or without any facial hair.

    Truth in advertising!

  133. 133.

    Botsplainer

    September 29, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    Here’s the thing – dealing with litigation long term is a shit sandwich, and tends to define one’s life. I always recommend “no” on long term tricky stuff, and I guarantee that this is a 15 year project from the moment of filing to the final thump at the USSC.

    Not to mention that outside of some shit district in the old Confederacy, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of coming up with anything that would even survive summary judgment. You’re basically looking at 30 years until the inevitable unsuccessful termination of litigation, and ruining the remainder of the life of a litigant, all while doing immeasurable damage to American security interests.

  134. 134.

    JR in WV

    September 29, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @BGinCHI:

    In this case, won’t it be education camps? Wouldn’t they have to be educated for us to re-educate them? And obviously, they aren’t edumacated yet, at all.

    He should’a warned us we were about to fuck up!!!! Whaaaa!!

  135. 135.

    Mike J

    September 29, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    @BGinCHI: Reëducation, please. If we’re gonna do it, I say we bring back diaereses.

  136. 136.

    liberal

    September 29, 2016 at 7:11 pm

    @Cacti: LOL. I’m quite sure e.g. Iran doesn’t have the protections that SA is moaning about losing.

    But thanks for playing!

  137. 137.

    liberal

    September 29, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    @Botsplainer: what security interest? That sovereigns shouldn’t be sued? LOL. People have sued _Iran_ for 9-11.

    If the security interest is protecting those shitstain whahhabists in SA, then views on that differ.

  138. 138.

    hovercraft

    September 29, 2016 at 7:17 pm

    Here’s some nutpicking I found over at Kos.

    Okay, this is fucking hilarious. Let’s start with the headline:
    TRUMP SAILS THROUGH FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WITH NO MISSTEPS,HILLARY DOESN’T FAINT

    That was a thing. Really. Right wingers had convinced themselves that Hillary Clinton had one step in the grave. You don’t believe me, watch this.

    (Voting time is here, request your absentee ballot here! Vote early, then spend the rest of your time getting other people to vote!)

    The recap starts conventionally enough (for conservatives), if written in the style of a 4th grade book report:

    Fifteen minutes into the debate, and things are off to a relatively slow start with both candidates moving cautiously. Then Donald Trump began to assert himself while talking about his plan to bring jobs back to America. Lester Holt tried multiple times to steer the conversation but Trump wouldn’t budge. Hillary was obviously very well rehearsed, but with the same, tired old talking points she has been saying for years without ever delivering on them. I remember her campaign for senator some years ago where she made incredible promises that never materialized.
    Incredible promises. Tremendous. The best! But that’s about it, as the writer succumbs to the Alex Jones conspiracy worldview:

    Her Parkinson’s meds seem to be serving her well so far, as she seems low key but fairly stable. Trump is obviously the more vociferous candidate, with Hillary trying to catch up.
    Parkinson’s meds. Got it. And “vociferous” is an interesting synonym for “boorish asshole.” I accept it.

    DEBATE TIMELINE: 9:31PM – 9:45PM

    Hillary showed her first head-wobble of the evening, and her eyes began to glass over slightly.
    A “head wobble,” ONE OF THEM!
    But hey, she wobbled that one time (even though she didn’t). Seriously, find that wobble. And then compare to whatever the fuck you call Trump’s bobblehead performance.

    Lester Holt asked Trump why he hasn’t released tax records, and Trump swatted him away and continued to hammer ahead on his key points from his rallies. Trump got the first crowd outburst of the evening by saying he would “release his tax returns when Hillary released her 33,000 deleted emails”. Hillary fired back by accusing Trump of not paying any Federal Income tax, and saying Trump is “hiding something”. Trump tells Hillary that her illegal email server “was not a mistake but it was deliberate” deception. So far no major mistakes or no knockout blows on either side. Hillary now accusing Trump of refusing to pay his contractors.
    Nothing happened! Except Trump saying it was “business” to fuck over people who lost their jobs and homes and use bankruptcy laws to avoid paying people for the work they did. Not a mistake, nope! Also not a mistake? Admitting that he paid no taxes. And the other not-a-mistake? Dismissing the claims that he didn’t pay his contractors because maybe they didn’t do their jobs (which they did). Wow, so many major mistakes that didn’t happen!

    Also, is rambling on and on about how “underleveraged” he is count as a mistake?

    DEBATE TIMELINE: 9:46PM – 9:59PM

    Lester Holt asked about race. Hillary brought up recent racial shootings, chastising the police who she said need to do more. She then segued into gun control, and said that “gun violence” is the problem. Trump’s 2 minutes focused on the need for law and order. Hillary’s eyes getting glassier and she looks a little tired.
    Sane people noted that Trump became increasingly unhinged as the night wore on, while Clinton was incredibly rock-steady the entire night. In the alternate conservative universe, this is where she almost passed out, with those increasingly “glassy” eyes getting more and more glassy, apparently.

    Note also the harping on gun control, which is obviously a concern for conservatives. But then notice the lack of mention of Trump’s stop-and-frisk advocacy, with the intention of rounding up guns. But that’s black people guns, which clearly have zero Second Amendment implications.

    She kept coming back to the need to remove guns from the “hands of those who will do harm.” Trump fires back by reminding people of Hillary’s use of the term “super predator.“ Trump talks about his heavy speaking schedule, and how Hillary “stayed home a lot.” Lester Holt asks Trump about his support for the Birther Movement, and he responds with the fact that Sidney Blumenthal, who works for Hillary’s campaign, actually started the Birther controversy.
    Ha ha, remember when Trump criticized Clinton for preparing for the job to be president? That was awesome! Weird, no mention of the huge crowd reaction she got for that slam, either. Let’s relive that moment:

    So … how glassy do those eyes look to you?

    DEBATE TIMELINE: 10:00PM – 10:15PM

    Hillary attempts to go for the throat by calling Trump a racist. Trump fires back by reminding Hillary how badly she treated Obama when she ran against him in 2008. Trump also reminds people how he broke down racial barriers in Palm Beach country clubs. Hillary slurs her words for just a moment, she seems to be losing steam and focus rapidly. During segment on cyber-security Trump brought up what the hack of DNC emails revealed about the scheme to rob Bernie Sanders of the nomination.
    Hillary “slurs her words”! Except don’t ask him to point out which words were slurred. She loses steam and focus? Wishful thinking. But note how bought-in they are on the fiction of Clinton’s health. They really think it’s something, and that somehow it’ll pay off for them. The rest of the world scratches their head and wonders what the hell they’re talking about. I mean, this is from his own advisers:

    Even as Mr. Trump’s advisers publicly backed him on Tuesday and praised his debate performance, they were privately awash in second-guessing about why he stopped attacking Mrs. Clinton on trade and character issues and instead grew erratic, impatient and subdued as the night went on.
    On the other hand, I’d forgotten about Trump’s clumsy attempt to appeal to Bernie supporters, so that was good for an unexpected chuckle. And if you really want a chuckle, go back and read Trump’s answer to the cybersecurity question:

    As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said […] So we have to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is — it is a huge problem. I have a son. He’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers, it’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it’s hardly doable.
    The cyber ha ha. The cyber.

    Okay, back to the loon:

    DEBATE TIMELINE: 10:16PM – 10:30PM

    Trump says Hillary and Obama started ISIS by withdrawing troops too soon from Iraq. Hillary blamed Bush. Seriously. She did.
    Holy crap. These people don’t realize that it was George W. Bush who negotiated the terms of the US withdrawal from Iraq? They don’t realize that keeping our troops in beyond that period would amount to a second declaration of war agains the Iraq, this time against the regime we installed?

    You know who wouldn’t have allowed ISIS to take hold? Saddam Hussein, that’s who. Shit happens when you destabilize entire regions.

    Trump says NATO needs to pay their fair share. While there are no knockout blows so far, Trump is clearly in control.
    Ha ha ha ha! Let’s remember the words of Trump’s own handler: he “grew erratic, impatient and subdued as the night went on.”

    Hillary brings up the Iran Nuclear Treaty hoax that Obama forced on America, calls Trump a warmonger who can’t be trusted with nuclear codes. Trump says Hillary unable to deal with Russia, calls Iran Nuclear Treaty a mess.

    Trump closed with “Hillary has experience…but it’s bad experience”. Best shot of the night.
    The end! Or so this guy pretends.

    It shouldn’t be surprising that 3rd grade taunts (“she’s bad!”) impress this moron, but really, that wasn’t the closing of the night. The closing of the night dealt with Alicia Machado, and with Trump going off on his wild-eyed rant about Rosie O’Donnell deserving it and no one feeling sorry for her and how mean Clinton was for airing those “tremendous” ads against him.

    But yeah, if you’re trying to create an alternate reality, you can also skip that whole Iraq War stuff, because do you really want to admit that your original support for the Iraq War is now considered so fucking stupid, that the candidates—include the Republican—are arguing over who supported it the least? ASK HANNITY! ASK HANNITY! ASK HANNITY! (Repeat four more times.)

    Or how about glossing over Trump’s trade protectionism? For a movement that has been parroting its free-trade stance as holy orthodoxy forever, it’s interesting how they suddenly pretend Trump’s economic populism doesn’t exist.

    But ultimately, they were praying for Clinton to stumble and fall, since they believed the nonsense they read on Breitbart and heard out of Trump’s mouth. And when that didn’t happen? Crickets. Let’s blame Lester Holt for that too, I guess. And why are they so obsessed with this? Imagine just how stupid the comments to that post must be. This stupid:

    If she is ill, then the PEOPLE will not choose the President. The Government Officials (whoever they are) will choose for us. If you have children or hope to in the future, think for them now. What future will Hillary take us to? If you will know beyond a doubt that your children will be free and not slaves to Washington for your needs, then go ahead stand by your lady.
    So pray tell, how are we supposed to debate a crowd that doesn’t even know what a fucking vice president is?

  139. 139.

    liberal

    September 29, 2016 at 7:19 pm

    Here’s a link that explains that all y’all have your panties in a twist over nothing.

  140. 140.

    Sloane Ranger

    September 29, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    I don’t see how this law could work in practice. I’m not a lawyer but isn’t it usual to depose the other side before trial? If the Saudis refuse to play ball what happens then? I suppose the court could issue some sort of order but most of the people they will want to give evidence will probably not be in the US or covered by Diplomatic or Sovereign Immunity. So what happens then?

    Even if they have a trial why should the Saudis bother turning up? And won’t the only way to enforce any judgement be to seize Saudi assets in the US? This doesn’t seem a way to make friends but it is definately a way of influening people…negatively!

    Lawyers, have I got that right?

  141. 141.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 29, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @liberal: Nice link to The American Conservative, ‘liberal’.

  142. 142.

    Chris T.

    September 29, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @ThresherK: mostaccioli is like penne, only shorter and wider, according to http://www.foodsubs.com/PastaTubes.html. (And penne is like ziti, except cut on a diagonal instead of square across like ziti.)

  143. 143.

    Chris T.

    September 29, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @Mike J: I’ll coöperate on that!

  144. 144.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    September 29, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    @liberal: Nice link to The American Conservative, ‘liberal’.

    M^4: Have I told you lately that I love you?

  145. 145.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    September 29, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @Linda: I think this was the first time in the thread this got noticed. The Senate vote was 97 – 1 FFS. Harry Reid was the one BTW.

    Can’t blame this one on Team R.

  146. 146.

    Sloane Ranger

    September 29, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    Further to my earlier post, last week I had a tour of our 17TH century Sessions House here in Northampton and the guide showed us damage to the stonework caused by an American bomber which dropped a bomb on the town centre during WWII. Accepting that it was accidental (probably), can we sue for money to repair the damage?

  147. 147.

    Eric S.

    September 29, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I knew it was Cole as well but to be honest I thought he’d hurt himself working on the house.

    Edited to fix auto correct

  148. 148.

    Major Major Major Major

    September 29, 2016 at 7:38 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Thanks!

    Did you know that liberal isn’t very trusting?

  149. 149.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    September 29, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @hovercraft: The obsession over zingers, that Trump just has to say the magic sentience that it settles it, and nothing more needs to be said. Real wingnut even horizon stuff. This has to be a sign they’ve been conditioned by the right wing media. It also explains Trump’s bizarre performance at the debate; he’s drunk the cool aid too.

  150. 150.

    redshirt

    September 29, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques: They’ve all drunk the Kool Aid. Even “moderate” Mitt Romney was so sure he was going to win despite all the polls he had no speech prepared if he lost.

    They’re all in the bubble and thus cut off from reality.

  151. 151.

    raven

    September 29, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    Why in the fuck were my posts deleted?

  152. 152.

    Original Lee

    September 29, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: I’d love to follow the money that somebody obviously paid out to screw the Saudi bond. Who would benefit from tanking the bond before it was even issued? And which Congresscritters were bought? Screwing Obama was only a side benefit.

  153. 153.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    September 29, 2016 at 8:08 pm

    @redshirt: Like I said, the Trump leaners have talk to were not conformtable at with the man himself and mearly thinking it’s time to change governing parties. It’s real easy for Trump to lose those voters.

    @efgoldman: Sort of looks like it’s impossible for Trump to even understand why it would be a bad thing.

    Comparing Trump to Hitler or the Gracchi Brothers doesn’t work. Both Germany in the 1920s and the late Roman Republic had serious social problems that normal government wasn’t able to deal with. Every problem we have can be solved and is being solved more or less threw the normal process. This is more like a mass hallucination in some retirement home or something .

  154. 154.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    September 29, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    @Original Lee:I bet the Iranians. Since Iran Contra to the Iraq War the Republicans have been lead around by their noses by Iranian Intelligence.

  155. 155.

    amk

    September 29, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    These lying racist bastards constantly accuse the kenyan caused their innate racism and their ass licking media pigs repeat it without batting an eyelid.

  156. 156.

    tones

    September 29, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    So let me get this straight – when Bush was attempting to break the world record for war crimes and crimes against humanity we hoped for someone, anyone to prosecute them.
    Obama gets elected and spends his time golfing with them and having a grand old time, saying we need to just let go of our need for justice under international law.
    I mean, look forward.

    Now there is a chance that our own [USAUSA] war crimes could actually be prosecuted and you are all UN-happy about it?
    Does it not represent justice, even if we were at fault, and a potential return to reality and honesty?
    If Obama won’t send The bush crime syndicate to the Hague, I still hope some one will – don’t any of you?

  157. 157.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 29, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @tones: This law will not change the likelihood of any American being prosecuted for war crimes.

  158. 158.

    amk

    September 29, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @tones: Yeah, why the fuck Obama doesn’t willingly walk into the shredder all alone by himself? Dumbass.

  159. 159.

    TriassicSands

    September 29, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Sadly, there aren’t a lot of Democrats who could write an autobiography and accurately call it “Profiles in Courage.” I’m equally disappointed in my two Senators — Murray and Cantwell (Murray is up for re-election, but as of 9/25-9/26 she had a seven point lead; Cantwell has no excuse at all).

  160. 160.

    LadyNorth

    September 29, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Another Scott: McConnell knows PERFECTLY what he is doing. He understood very well the consequences; he’s NOT stupid.

    I have a theory: in this sad saga, the main purpose of the republican leadership, McConnell included, is to bring down the approval numbers of President Obama. They knew that President Obama would veto the bill and that politically it would be a potential problem.

    Their “man” W. finished his presidency in disgrace, hated by the whole world, and with very low approval ratings at home. While President Obama is nearing the end of his presidency with high approval numbers, hasn’t suffered any real scandal, and is respected and liked all around the world.

    So the republican leadership will do their best to tarnish the President’s legacy.

    They are THAT childish and jealous and vindictive. I once read in a book written by John Dean (the one who had worked for Nixon) that in conversations with his republican friends during the 90s, he understood that the vendetta against Bill and Hillary Clinton and the eventual impeachment of President Clinton was, mainly, PAYBACK for what had happened to Nixon. SERIOUSLY.

  161. 161.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    September 30, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @LadyNorth: Yup.

    I’m reminded of Jack Abramoff. He and his compatriots (Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed) have a religious fervor about their team and the need to drive Democrats into the sea. It’s pathological, and it goes back a long time.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  162. 162.

    Joyce Hall

    September 30, 2016 at 1:02 am

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Amen

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