Jenna Johnson, at the Washington Post, “As news of Trump’s taxes broke, he goes off script at a rally in Pennsylvania”:
MANHEIM, Pa. — Donald Trump’s campaign announced Saturday evening that the candidate would soon deliver a nine-sentence critique of comments Hillary Clinton made months ago about many of the millennials supporting her primary rival, Bernie Sanders. It was an attempt to latch onto a new headline in hopes of finally escaping the controversies that had consumed his week.
It didn’t work.
It took Trump nearly 25 minutes to read the brief statement because he kept going off on one angry tangent after another — ignoring his teleprompters and accusing Clinton of not being “loyal” to her husband, imitating her buckling at a memorial service last month, suggesting that she is “crazy” and saying she should be in prison. He urged his mostly white crowd of supporters to go to polling places in “certain areas” on Election Day to “watch” the voters there. He also repeatedly complained about having a “bum mic” at the first presidential debate and wondered if he should have done another season of “The Apprentice.”…
The rally started more than an hour and 40 minutes late because heavy fog delayed Trump’s arrival. His supporters grew tired of his looping musical playlist, at one point chanting: “Turn it off! Turn it off!”
When Trump finally took the stage, it was clear that he was worked up about something as he quickly rushed through his usual talking points…
Trump yelled at the media to show his crowd, which he said would make for “better television,” pledged to win Pennsylvania and called supporters of international trade “blood suckers.”
“Oh, I could be doing the ‘Apprentice’ right now,” Trump said at one point, seeming to harken back to a happier time in his life. “I loved it — 14 seasons. How good was that? Tremendous success. They wanted to extend — I could be doing the ‘Apprentice’ now. Somehow I think this is a little bit more important. Do we agree? Just a little bit?”
As he spoke, dozens of people left the rally early, tired from standing for hours and hoping to beat the traffic. Those who remained leaned against walls, barricades and each other. One woman rubbed her knees. Another took a phone call: “I’m still here… He started an hour and a half late… I’ll call you whenever we get out of here.”
“I didn’t need to do this, folks,” Trump said of his candidacy. “Believe me. This is tough work… This is hard work. Believe me, folks. This is hard work.”…
Guy is unravelling right before the crowd’s eyes, but the GOP is still determined to drag his bloated carcass around for another six weeks, because what else have they got?
Renie
I think the big story for the taxes is not what he didn’t pay but what a lousy businessman he is. Yet the bigger (bigly?) story is to become his mental state. He is truly becoming unhinged and I don’t mean that in a snarky way. Something is definitely wrong with him and he is going to have a serious psychotic episode when he loses.
Trentrunner
At that rally, Trump made fun of Hillary’s 9/11 near-faint, mocking her wobbly stepping and encouraging his audience to join him in making fun of her being ill.
Hillary got out of bed WITH PNEUMONIA on that Sunday morning, eyes of the world on her, as usual, and decided that she had to go. She made it through much of the event, but not all. She became so ill that she had to leave.
Who in the holy fuck makes fun of that?
Roger Moore
It’s not just that: they’re followers, and he’s now their designated leader. Throwing him out just because he’s obviously deranged and unfit would undermine their whole idea of leadership.
Major Major Major Major
Oh Trump.
Hi everybody! I’ve done some exploratory analysis into the Balloon-Juice ngram corpus, and it’s kind of amusing. For example, efgoldman isn’t the king of “go fuck yourself” — that belongs to Comrade Scrutinizer.
This means that if the phrase “go fuck yourself” is encountered while analyzing a text, in a Shannon entropy-based probabilistic analysis, it gives that text three times as many points towards it being from Comrade Scrutinizer as it does to efgoldman. It still gives efgoldman points, but it’s more likely that, if a text is just “go fuck yourself”, it’s Comrade Scrutinizer, etc.
The most commonly used three-word phrase in the whole blog is actually “@Adam L Silverman”.
Corner Stone
So far my take away from the Luke Cage Netflix series is that I am completely in love with the multi colored wooden desk in Cottonmouth’s office in his club. That thing is fucking gorgeous.
Roger Moore
@Trentrunner:
Somebody utterly devoid of human sympathy. IOW, it should play great with the Republican base.
Montysano
Yet my 27%-er friends are still firmly on the “Better than Hillary” wagon, because they’d rather burn it all to the ground then say “I made a mistake.”
Shrillhouse
Serious question: Why can’t Trump ever speak in complete sentences?
He’s constantly interrupting himself. He’ll start by bragging about himself, then abruptly insult someone, or whine about the media, then suddenly change gears by asking an odd rhetorical question to no one in particular. I find it very odd….
Lee
If Trump loses, what are the bets he doesn’t give a concession speech?
Corner Stone
@srv:
Were they waiting for a commercial flight leaving out of Tanagra?
Major Major Major Major
@srv: Your highest-value predictive phrase is “I feel exhausted”.
@shomi: Yours are “on ball juice” and “wrong way cole”.
Ruckus
@Montysano:
They probably don’t think they made a mistake. They really do want to burn it all to the ground.
quakerinabasement
Excellent movie, Another Face in the Crowd. If all you know of Andy Griffith is the show with Opie and Aunt Bea, this will be a revelation.
burnspbesq
@srv:
Sad, tired schtick is sad! And tired!
Ruckus
@Shrillhouse:
He doesn’t think anything through, he just opens his mouth and shit rolls right out.
OK that and he probably does have some sort of mental issue.
Major Major Major Major
@Major Major Major Major: @burnspbesq: One might even say ‘exhausted’.
schrodinger's cat
@Lee: Concession speeches are for losers.
amk
da she-devil
?BillinGlendaleCA
@srv: Ah, Bill’s haircut on the runway; are you an oldies station?
The desperation is palpable.
amk
@Shrillhouse: Even mad hatter made more sense.
lamh36
Obama’s America, By Barack Obama and 60 Other Players via @intelligencer
amk
@srv: Idiot.
Ivan X
@srv is your heart even in it anymore?
BruceFromOhio
Civil war. i.e., if we can’t twist it to suit our own use, we will break it so no one else can use it. In this case, ‘it’ just happens to be the United States of America.
geg6
@Ruckus:
He reminds me of my departed oldest brother, who had bipolar disorder, when he was in his manic phase but not quite peaking. The disordered thoughts and speech, the rambling about conspiracies against him, the hostility to “others”, delusions of competence and grandeur and a total inability to take any responsibility for his actions. When he’d hit peak manic, the hallucinations would start with aliens coming out of his computer and the electrical outlets to get him. If Trump is an untreated case of bipolar disorder, he should hit that phase in a week or two.
Jeffro
@Lee:
I’m not good with betting…what odds are typically posted before the surest of all sure things?
Trump is not going to give a concession of any kind. He will most certainly give the angriest, crazy conspiracy-laden Alex-Jone-i-est, blame-fest of a speech that we’ve heard in our lifetimes. No good way to stop it, but I sure hope that the appropriate agencies at every level have got their stuff together here…between the voter intimidation attempts that are most certainly going to happen and the ever-increasing likelihood of violence, it looks like a rough night. (Hopefully it’s ONLY a rough night).
SFAW
Liked the part where Corrupt 47-percenter Deadbeat Donnie (his “name” gets longer every day) opined that Hillary has not been “loyal” to Bill because why would she? Projection is an interesting thing
Peripherally related: Josh Marshall has some interesting speculation re: Trump’s $1B loss. Some (or most?) of that speculation may have appeared here already, but I don’t think I had seen all the topics covered.
veeblefetzer
Roger Moore
@Lee:
I think it’s more likely he’ll either give an “I was robbed” speech or no speech at all. If he gets roped into giving a concession speech, he’s more likely to turn it into an “I was robbed” speech, an incoherent rant about being stabbed in the back, or stomping off the stage in a huff than he is to make it successfully.
randy khan
@Major Major Major Major: That’s a great toy, isn’t it?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Major Major Major Major: I’m guessing I’m big on @raven and @Omnes Omnibus, huh?
joegy
@srv: any luck repeating sixth grade? Any teachers hot? Don’t forget your jock strap for third period gym. Make us proud!! Maybe we’ll stop at DQ if the parent-teacher meeting goes well on Wed night. Who’s our big little boy!!?
Corner Stone
@BruceFromOhio:
What I don’t think gets enough attention on this. People who choose to not put a D or HRC sticker or sign on their car or property. Because they feel the R side would have no compunction using violence or damaging their property. That is 100% absent people who brazenly choose to put an R or Trump sign up. They welcome an opportunity for violence.
hueyplong
Kind of sorry that the VP debate is about to interrupt this recent trend of news cycles. It probably won’t interrupt Trump himself though. He won’t even be able to pretend to be interested in a debate in which he isn’t a participant.
Steve in the ATL
@Major Major Major Major: that can’t be right–all the posts I see from shomi and srv are just about pie
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Major Major Major Major:
I doubt there’s a person here who wouldn’t have guessed that.
cmorenc
@Lee:
IMHO if he loses, Trump will initially give a somewhat gracious concession speech on election night, some 2-3 hours after even Faux News has called the election for Clinton – but by as early as sometime later overnight, and especially during the following 2-3 days, will revert back to ugly rant mode, inciting his followers to rebel against the illegitimately won election by “crooked Hillary”, the MSM and the “establishment” for stealing the election for Clinton.
Meanwhile, GOP hard-liners will immediately begin plotting how to sabotage and obstruct the Clinton presidency at every turn, not even waiting for Inauguration day night – but McConnell and Ryan and the top leadership will wait a few weeks to join in, because they will initially be focused more on handling the “lame duck” congressional session at the very tail-end of Obama’s term in office.
Corner Stone
@srv: Unlike all the accoutrements on stage when he did the Birther PR spot from his DC hotel?
Major Major Major Major
@srv: I see you don’t understand how entropy-based classifiers work. It’s ok, dearie.
BruceFromOhio
@Montysano: Had a chance to spend some quality time with the family die-hard bible humpers. 4 out of 4 are so disgusted they are talking about which write-in candidate might even be considered. Two of the middle-of-the road conservatives joked about voting for Clinton, and even though that opportunity is really small, they are absolutely against the dumpster fire, can’t believe the national party puts up with this crap, and so forth. So unless these fine folks are all lying through their teeth, no votes for der dumpsterFürher in my tiny corner of the world. On other side, there are 9 Clinton votes, so even if the godbothers all do go batshit insane and pull that lever, they are easily balanced out in the grand scheme.
geg6
@Corner Stone:
We have always had yard signs, mainly because campaigns want us to have them because our house is located on a prime spot along a major county artery with lots of traffic. But we are literally afraid to this year. Too many crazy Trumpsters around here. We’ve quit going to some of our favorite watering holes until after the election for the same reason. We don’t want to get into a “situation.”
Uncle Jeffy
@Trentrunner: who in the holy f*ck makes fun of that?
To ask that question is to answer it…..
Another Scott
@Lee: Dunno. At the debate he closed with:
On Tuesday night, November 8, he’ll change the subject. His campaign wasn’t about tearing her down and calling her names, it was “MAGA” and he will work with her to do that, or some such thing.
That’s when we’ll finally see “The Pivot”, is my guess.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
James E Powell
@Major Major Major Major:
Where does one find that thing?
Major Major Major Major
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You are, but those don’t have a very strong predictive value since lots of other people say that too! Your highest-entropy gram is actually “has been on my mind.”
Vhh
@shomi: including srv in the sick F**k group.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major: You could have just left it as: I see you don’t understand.
Major Major Major Major
@James E Powell: Here is the sqlite database, and I’ve been putting some of my code here.
Corner Stone
@Major Major Major Major: You are creeping me the fuck out.
TriassicSands
Most of the business people in the world don’t live in the United States. And most people are not Trump supporters (even if he’s running a fairly close race for president in this country). So, my question is: Does this campaign hurt Trump’s “brand?”
Most of the world probably thinks he’s a dangerous idiot. His business practices and corruption have been held up to analysis and mostly ridicule (to a lesser extent than they deserve, but more than before the campaign). Anyone with an ounce of dignity who has seen his public performances has to be repulsed. Despite Donald’s assurances, his temperament is either frightening or laughable. (It would be easier to laugh if he weren’t running for president.)
So, what happens to Trump’s brand (assuming he loses)? Will TV roll over and play dead for him, giving him a huge deal in prime time? Will anyone actually want to do business with him? Will contractors and subcontractors (who haven’t been locked in caves without outside contact for the past year) be willing to agree to do work for him — knowing that there is a 99+% chance that he will cheat them? (I know that he is mostly selling his “brand” these days and not doing much actual work — probably because banks don’t want anything to do with the bankruptcy king.)
I don’t know, maybe most American business leaders think losing a billion dollars in one year and paying no income taxes for years thereafter is a smooth business move. Maybe income taxes are so hated among the wealthy that anything that keeps them from paying income taxes is viewed as a good thing.
???
Miss Bianca
Great gasbags! Go off for a weekend’s hunting and ALL HECK BREAKS LOOSE!
Ha ha – someone finally leaked Trump’s taxes? How many October Surprises can there be, I wonder?
RaflW
Read that WaPo piece on his dissociative ‘speech’ last night. “How many people have acid-washed or bleached a tweet?”
Oh, Trump. How cruel and unfair The Cyber is.
The Dangerman
Above and beyond the obvious (i.e., being a worldclass asshole), it looks like there’s something wrong with him. Too much RedBull, maybe something a little stronger from Bolivia (wink, wink), perhaps, but he doesn’t look well.
ETA: …or what Renie posted in 1. Oops.
Steeplejack (tablet)
A Face in the Crowd will be on TCM at 8:00 p.m. EDT Wednesday.
Major Major Major Major
@Corner Stone: Isn’t technology terrifying?
fuckwit
@Shrillhouse: It’s hypnosis. It works! Salespeople use it all the time, as do tent and TV preachers. This is why Scott Adams think Troll is dangerously close to winning. Shrub used to speak like that, as did his father on occasion. And Snowbilly Barbie did it constantly.
The great thing though, is that it is becoming less and less effective, and more and more mockable, with each passing year. I think Adams is wrong and Troll is going down hard.
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): He mentioned to me in a thread below that I interact with you a lot.
Corner Stone
@Major Major Major Major: Not really. But you are being pretty creepy.
“Your predictive eye shadow is magenta. And you smell like chamomile. You shower for an average of 3:40 minutes and then look at yourself in the mirror for more than one minute.”
Jeffro
@cmorenc:
Press questions, November 9th:
– Majority Leader McConnell, do you intend to set “making _____ a one-term president” as your highest priority once again, or are there things that you and President-Elect Clinton can work together on after January?
– MLMcC, what about the Garland nomination? Is it time to move on this now that the people have spoken?
– MLMcC, what do you think about Donald’s election night meltdown? Is it at all indicative of where your party is at these days?
– MLMcC, do you feel that you’ll be able to rebuild your party?
patrick II
@Renie:
Another part of the story is this:
As stock collapses… from the Washington Post.
Trump had much of his own money invested and took big losses, so he took the company public in ’95, paid himself bigly, and used the mom and pop investors to erase his personal debt and then the public corporation went bankrupt — screwing everyone who bought into him. Not so much of a businessman as a thief and a fraud.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major: I find the cyber frightening, also clowns, of course.
Jeffro
@The Dangerman: I think he’s dry-chewing & swallowing sinus pills with their ephedrine, myself. Would explain that sniffle and so much more.
DissidentFish
I understand the speculation about Trump’s potential undiagnosed mental illness. But is possible he is just a fraud and a huge asshole? That’s my diagnosis.
Also, I think he will accuse Hillary of having l*sbian affairs. Out loud. Maybe at the debate.
Mike E
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: al gore
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Corner Stone: That was kinda my point, since Omnes was told in the previous thread that he talks to me a lot.
@Omnes Omnibus: Hence my question…
Major Major Major Major
@Omnes Omnibus: We’re majorly creatures of habit. I’ve done some social network analysis based on emails before and it turns out you’re just having the same five or six conversations over and over, in terms of network graphs. Wouldn’t be surprised to find that here, but I’m not going to check.
Corner Stone
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): “Your predictive phrases are related to criminal law shit and large animals. Your predictive climate is mild to coldish at some point in the year. You respond to commenters when they have something you find interesting.”
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Howdy, y’all! I don’t interact with either one of you as much as I might like!
Bella Q, was thinking of you, got some great “Q time” in with my new equine crush. It was actually a delicious relief to have *no* political news for 48 hours – just horses, hounds, and the Blessing of the Animals at the Episcopal Church this morning (apparently the Feast of St Francis is coming up – we had 11 dogs and a one-eyed goldfish named Gary show up for the blessing. The new minister and hs wife are now members of the hunt, so we’ll have our very own Blessing of the Hounds in two weeks!)
Omnes Omnibus
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Definitely clowns. There is a cable channel that does marathons of Leverage on Sundays and one of the characters (Parker, if you know the show) in response to “What is everyone scared of?” said “Clowns? Insane clowns? Insane clowns named GiGi who live under your bed?” Made sense to me.
Major Major Major Major
@Corner Stone: I’m not being paid nearly enough to actually be creepy. I’m done anyway, I finished my project, but happy to answer questions. Shrug.
I guess I could have always not told anybody, but this seemed more polite.
scav
@fuckwit: I suppose another handy thing about random babble is that it allows meaning to read into it, while allowing the out of “that’s clearly not what I said/meant” if things go pear-shaped. Believers will read into the verbal inkblot whatever the hell they most want to hear. A Rorschach platform, combined with the squirt of ink needed for a cephalopod to escape.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: I am in Gary’s corner.
jl
Wonder how many Trump fans will get tired of Trump coming on doing, essentially, long winded incoherent racist and authoritarian and xenophobic sub-par open-mic comedy club routines.
While we what this wretched and dangerous mess of an election cycle drag on, OG Harry Reid’s twitter feed is refreshing.
dmsilev
@TriassicSands:
Broadcast networks, no way. Even the dumbest network exec would know that they’d be hit with the mother of all advertiser boycotts if they gave Trump a show. Fox, probably not. A subscription TrumpTV streamed over the web, possibly, especially if Trump can skim enough fees without having to do much work
Another Scott
Trump’s latest twittering, at the moment:
It’s apparently in reaction to this Reuters story from Friday quoting the French Defense Minister:
I’m sure that statement changes Daesh’s whole calculus about how to defend the city.
(roll-eyes)
Mosul has been on the list of areas to be liberated since it was captured in June 2014. There’s no surprise in the French statement.
Cheers,
Scott.
Mike E
@Thing Three:
up until he shits the bed
redshirt
@cmorenc:
This is a great prediction. Mark these words folks, for they shall come true.
Major Major Major Major
@redshirt: Sounds quite believable. The second part will definitely happen/has already happened.
Roger Moore
@Jeffro:
The question I hope they ask:
How will your role change as you become Minority leader?
Villago Delenda Est
@srv: Your desperation certainly is.
Suffer.
patrick II
@Renie:
If you are sending tweets about a miss universe between 3:30 and 5:30 a.m. four days after the debate, that type of sleeplessness is symptomatic of deeper troubles.
Lyrebird
@Major Major Major Major: Do you do ngram analyses for work? Any chance you’re running them in R? If so may I contact you offline? Wasn’t positive that URL leads to you necessarily.
amk
@redshirt: Well, dems can always work their ass off not to make that happen instead of surrendering preemptively.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: All the animals got a sprinkling of holy water. Gary totally took it in stride (so to speak). According to Mike the Hunting Vicar, cats are usually so *not* down with that part of the ritual.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Miss Bianca:I knew (suspected) you were in the field and not here. I’m happy that you have a new crush! It is blessing season, isn’t it? An in house (hunt) blessing sounds cool.
@Corner Stone: Really? I’m reluctant to download a db to read for idle curiosity, but I am quite curious, given that my name came up w/r/t interaction…
Mike in NC
@srv: Oh go fuck yourself, moron.
Villago Delenda Est
@amk: You forgot to mention “common clay of the New West”.
Major Major Major Major
@Lyrebird: This whole thing was a project to learn Go, but I do some R. Some poking around or reverse googling will get you to my professional page, or you can just drop a comment on my blog (link in nym) and it’ll go into moderation automatically.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Major Major Major Major:
I have that problem. I’m trying to resist it. It’s that that certain topics that I have strong feelings about will keep coming up in a multi-month period, because they’re relevant – like when I was telling people Jeb:( was a loser who had no chance. It’s hard to resist saying the same thing again and again in response.
amk
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
Do you have the n-gram stuff up anywhere? I haven’t managed to do anything with the corpus, and I don’t know enough about text analysis to do anything that fancy.
Miss Bianca
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I have some hilarious photos – horses and dogs going all derpy when we’re trying to get them to pose for the camera.
The place where we’ve been cubbing the past few weeks has had some stupendous color – the aspen and scrub oaks are just aflame. Plus, herds of cattle coming down from the high country – never a dull moment!
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore: I don’t. N-grams are very unwieldy beasts, and I’m not really sure how to make them user-friendly. Any thoughts?
I mean, if you really want a spreadsheet with three million columns, we can do that. But it’s a very sparse dataset.
Lyrebird
@Major Major Major Major: Thanks, left a comment. No rush. I did a vaguely similar project last year; not sure if I’m going to pick up the thread or not.
Ruckus
@geg6:
My sister would be the greatest person for a while and then in the next minute she would be a raving lunatic, mad at the world. That would last for a while and then the human would be back. Fun times.
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
I was thinking of something like the previous one on poster sentiment, where you’d have the top N posters and clicking on them would call up a short list of their most distinctive n-grams.
sinnedbackward
@Jeffro: @Jeffro: I’m assuming the meaning of “M” changed from the first question. I don’t expect McTurtle to control the majority for the next two years.
Major Major Major Major
@Lyrebird: Already emailed ya
Villago Delenda Est
@DissidentFish: What was it some psych professor once told his class? The DSM does not have an entry for “asshole”.
rk
@Corner Stone:
I’m one of those people. As a non white I keep a very low profile. I’m surrounded by republicans. All very good neighbors and decent people. But I would never put a sign out or anything relating to a democrat on my car. I feel too exposed. What if I’m stopped by a cop? My voice is only in the voting booth and nowhere else in the real world.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Ruckus:
I don’t think Trump is bipolar, or at least, I don’t think that’s what’s going on. I’M bipolar Type Two, and I have a Type One friend. Trump’s incoherence is more what I hear from selfish, spiteful, egotistical, and not very bright people. He wants to talk all the time, but he’s not smart enough to have much to say, so he repeats idiotic filler over and over. He also doesn’t restrain his emotions, and vents his anger without thinking it through or considering his situation. These are the things his audience likes about him. They want to be that free.
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore:
1. I’m getting the impression some people would find that creepy.
2. That would take some curation, because frankly a lot of them aren’t very interesting for a human.
Yours are interesting though:
[“ngram”] [(entropy)]
===
“donald j trump sr” (158.075)
“Racists are more likely to” (140.275)
“Clouds and shadows” (112.911)
“To pay back his loans” (78.904)
NoraLenderbee GFY
@Villago Delenda Est: SPD–Shitty Personality Disorder.
lurker dean
i had no idea where this was going…
twitter.com/funnyordie/status/782701725027176449
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@NoraLenderbee GFY:
That’s called ‘DSM Axis Two.’
Ruckus
@DissidentFish:
It is quite possible it is all of the above. Frauds and assholes can have mental illness. It might be harder to diagnose, it might be harder to find him help that he will accept because of his assholyness.
Omnes Omnibus
@rk: In general, i am not a fan of using my car to advocate anything. I’ve used two car stickers in my life. I put a USA sticker on my GTI when I lived in Germany while in the army; I also had US Forces license plates, so why not? I put a window cling in my car in 1997 relating to my undergrad’s sesquicentennial. I tend to avoid that kind of display anyway. I will never be the guy with the “Coexist” sticker and 17 other “Nuke Gay Whales for Jesus” type things.
jl
From here in the Golden State, I suddenly realized how great LeBron James is. All is forgiven. Sure, he has some youthful indiscretions in his past. But learned from his mistakes. All hail King James! (until the season starts)
MisterForkbeard
@rk: We’re that way too, and we’re in a fairly liberal area.
Well, I’m not a bumper sticker person, but I HAVE seen people with HRC stickers and signs get their cars keyed and their signs wrecked. If I had to guess, about half of Trump’s followers think hurting others is a good thing, provided they don’t agree with you. Or show you “respect”.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Ruckus:
Stuff like ‘narcissistic personality disorder’ MEANS ‘huge asshole.’ There’s Axis One, mental illness caused by neurological disorders like bipolar, and Axis Two, mental illness caused by having personality problems so severe they’re pathological, IE, cause damage to you and other people.
RaflW
@Another Scott: The full answer was (naturally) much stranger. His thing about the 800 or 1,800 new voters suggests he already has his ‘stolen’ election conspiracy theory in the crock pot on simmer.
Villago Delenda Est
@Thing Three: Well, not him, with all his “Made in China” and “Made in Mexico” merchandise.
Major Major Major Major
@efgoldman: Go fuck yourself.
Wapiti
@sinnedbackward: I hope that this is correct – PEC (Wang) currently has Dems taking the Senate at 59%. If McConnell decides to take another career rather than preside over a diminished Republican Party contingent, that would be fine with me.
NoraLenderbee
L’Shana Tovah to all.
TriassicSands
@efgoldman:
What would be truly wonderful would be if Trump has to declare bankruptcy yet again sometime next year.
The other question that occurs to me is coming out of the election (again, assuming he loses) how many lawsuits will Trump file? For some reason, duh, I can’t imagine Trump taking a loss lying down. I’m surprised he hasn’t sued Lester Holt, though Trump might have a hard time proving Holt was unfair to him After all, immediately after the debate, and captured for all eternity, is Trump saying he thought Holt was fine. Only when Trump’s bubble of isolation was burst and he realized that people were saying he’d lost the debate did he call Holt’s fairness into question.
rk
@MisterForkbeard:
I had a volunteer from the Hillary campaign come to my door a few days ago. So I got talking to him and he told me that in his experience Trump supporters are very aggressive with their viewpoints. Though what he was doing knocking at their door I have no idea. This year I’m telling my kids not to trick or treat at houses with Trump/Pence signs. There are a few of them around our area. And I don’t even feel bad saying it. It says something about a person when they openly support a lunatic like Trump.
Bostondreams
@RaflW:
What the heck does this even mean????
Ruckus
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:
I actually agree on the non bi-polar. I can not recall Trump having a non manic side. I do think there is an issue, possibly dementia setting in, manic can be a part of that. My dad had Alzheimer’s and was only manic in the middle of the night. A friends mom went from a sweet midwest mom who had never sworn that my friend had heard in decades to a very combative, potty mouth. A complete change of character for her. Trump is not seeming to have a character change, but he does seem to be getting worse in the face of any question of his persona. It may not be an actual mental health disease, it may just be that he is a major fucking asshole with self esteem issues.
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): @Miss Bianca: : Synchronicity?
RaflW
@TriassicSands: So, what happens to Trump’s brand?
Purely anecdotal, but I just did a search for Oct 13 for a one night stay in Chicago, home to one of the newer Trump hotels. Price came up $424, but as soon as I logged into Priceline, the Trump price became ‘unlocked’ and dropped to $329, a $95 discount, and $70 cheaper than the next-cheapest 5 star hotel that night in Chicago.
It’d be interesting to see someone do datamining on how Trump hotels do rate-wise vs. the similar star-rated hotels in their cities, and how the price trend has moved. Someone here said they’d read that the credit card tracking cos have reported a 10% drop in Trump hotel card transactions. Dunno how solid that info is.
TriassicSands
@Ruckus:
I suspect that apart from being a colossal asshole, Trump has some legitimate diagnosable personality disorder(s).
I just took a quick look at the DSM-5 criteria for various personality disorders and it screamed Donald Trump.
Felonius Monk
@srv: Woodward is long past his Sell By date and anyone who quotes him as an authority on anything is a dickhead.
jl
@srv:
“Humility works,”
I think after the ground breaking work of David Brooks on character, the word was changed to ‘humbility’.
Mark B
@Bostondreams: There’s a burgeoning conspiracy theory that Obama is somehow creating thousands upon thousands of new citizens who are going to be democratic voters illegally. Pretty much the opposite is true, because a lot of new citizens are having trouble getting their paperwork processed in time to vote, which they desperately want to do and should be able to do, having completed the long and complicated citizenship process.
I think he’s just coming up with an excuse for when he loses. It’s crazy, but he doesn’t care that it is. Neither do his supporters.
RaflW
@srv: Thanks for reminding us that Bob Woodward is a self-important prick. Who also loved him some Dubya.
Suzanne
@Ruckus: Yes. I don’t think he’s bipolar, since we never see him depressed. Narcissistic personality disorder is in the DSM, though.
jl
@Felonius Monk: Protocol and tradition are very important to those living in the Everything Is Political Kabuki Theater world..
Omnes Omnibus
@srv: Have you put any thought into your next persona? I worry about you and your fucking off after the election.
Anoniminous
@Wapiti:
59% at Prof. Wang’s place means “toss up.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Anoniminous: What makes you think that 59% at Prof. Wang’s place means “toss up?”
Anoniminous
@Omnes Omnibus:
I read his article about his statistical methods.
Omnes Omnibus
@Anoniminous: So did I. And?
amk
@RaflW: Idiot troll is panicky going by the growing number of his idiot posts.
Major Major Major Major
@Anoniminous: @Omnes Omnibus: 59% is kind of a toss-up in any election prediction, guys. No need to fight.
Another Scott
@RaflW: Agreed it was a weird answer. The 800/1800 thing sounded like some “guaranteed zinger” that his team came up with that he forgot to mention earlier.
But his final answer was much stronger than it needed to be. He could have said, “Yes, I’ll accept the peoples’ choice if I lose.” Instead he said he would support her.
If he means that, and of course it’s impossible to know given his apparent brain damage, then it means that he won’t be waging war on her or the results come Wednesday November 9.
And actually that would be the smart course for him to take. He’s got no future in politics. His only hope for his brand and his kids is to “pivot” as soon as possible back to “genius” private businessman. Even then it’s an uphill battle, but if Jim and Tammy Faye can redeem themselves, then he’s got a hope, also too.
Given all the squirrelly things that are coming out about his taxes and his businesses and the court cases, does it really make sense for him to be picking fights with the government and potential jurors? I don’t think so.
But we’ll see.
Cheers,
Scott.
TriassicSands
Does this sound like anyone you know?
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Omnes Omnibus
@amk: Why don’t you ask for it to be banned again? Maybe the 437th time is the charm.
The Lodger
@Miss Bianca: At our church , parishioners are encouraged to bring in pictures of their cats for the blessing. It’s a lot quieter that way, plus mine would be spared an extra hour in cat carriers waiting out choir practice.
Mai.naem.mobile
I don’t mean to sound nutty but if I was Hilz I would be careful around Trump during the town hall. I seriously wouldn’t be shocked if he just by “accident” tripped her or grabs her hand roughly etc. If he has another bad debate I would have Chelsea and her hubby up on the stage quickly post debate, strategically placed right next to Hilz. I think Trump is unhinged enough not to take risks.
amk
@Omnes Omnibus: keep fucking that rubber chicken, oo. so easy to get a rise out of you.
now personal insults – go.
Major Major Major Major
@amk: Rude!
Omnes Omnibus
@amk: You are tiresome. You want a blog that agrees with you always. You will never get it here. I am sorry if you consider tiresome to be an insult. Cole has established a policy about trolls. Your bitching about has, and will have, effect. He, and his website, is more tolerant of (possible) trollish behavior than you are. It is one of the things that I like about the place.
Prescott Cactus
Ahh, but the strawberries that’s… that’s where I had them
eemom
Good evening y’all. Just popped in. Wow. Is BJ experiencing a X*n*x shortage?
Ruckus
@Suzanne:
Does it have a picture of Donnie as an example?
Mike J
@TriassicSands: Uncorrected personality traits that seem whimsical in a child may prove to
Be ugly in a fully grown adult.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mai.naem.mobile: If he physically attacks her, the election is over. She wins.
amk
@Omnes Omnibus: You can keep bitching all you want about my bitching. That’s your tiresome schtick anyways.
No One You Know
@Roger Moore: To say nothing of the possibility that their Leader, if he were in hock to the Russians, as I think I’ve seen suggested, he may be staving them off with promises that they’ll be able to loot the richest country on earth if he wins…after Putin gets his cut, of course. That’s what I wonder.
Omnes Omnibus
@amk: That I don’t think that banning people should be a casual thing? Yeah, I am okay with that.
Omnes Omnibus
@Thing Three: And?
Mai.naem.mobile
@Omnes Omnibus: I am not talking about an obvious physical attack. More just making the handshake super rough and painful or tripping her or turning unexpectedly and smacking her with an elbow. I am really surprised nothing has ever come out from his military school schoolmates with tales of bullying. I can totally see Donny being a bully.
RaflW
@Another Scott: Trump has pretty much had every position imaginable about just about every issue.
Even if he were strapped to a chair, had his eyelids toothpicked open, and was forced to watch that clip of himself saying he’d support her if elected 1000 times, he could easily deny he ever said it, while the looped tape is playing.
And frighteningly, in the moment while he says he didn’t ever say it, you’d be able to tell that in his own damaged mind he’d believe himself.
Omnes Omnibus
@Thing Three: Please link to your question.
Mai.naem.mobile
I think Trump is going to have a problem with Pence doing better against Kaine than he did against Hilz and there’s basically a 99.999% chance that Pence performance will be better than his.
RaflW
@Mai.naem.mobile: A number of folks have mentioned on Twitter that he actually has a harder time bullying in person. And while I’m sure they’ll never be friends again (he doesn’t really seem to have friends in the sense that I think most of us use that term), but the Clintons attended his wedding, didn’t they (or Trump attended Chelsea’s or something. That’s in the realm of gossip columnist crap I have never cared about). I think he is on some level still cognizant that they were once pals.
Anyway, rambly me. Where I’m going with this is that in the classic coward bully type that he is, he can savage her by phone-in to Fox n Friends. Or on the stump. Or Twitter.
But I think he can’t quite do it in person. But he’s probably never been in the sort of pressure he’ll be in at that town hall. So who knows. I hope he stays the heck away from her but otherwise has the meltdown of a lifetime. He may also manage to keep it together. We shouldn’t assume he’ll be on this downswing quite that intensely on townhall nite.
Or his kids’ll slip him Thorazine maybe.
sunny raines
“so once again a monster comes knocking at the door
trump preaches the gospel of bigotry and fear…”
youtube.com/watch?v=9XhK_8eRrcM
Millard Filmore
@Another Scott: A few weeks ago someone at the appropriate agency hit the wrong button and granted citizenship, instead of being deported, to about 800 people that were not eligible. Maybe they were even criminals.
cnn.com/2016/09/19/politics/us-citizens-deported-report-fingerprints/
Google is your friend.
Omnes Omnibus
@Thing Three:
If this is what you are asking me to respond to, do you actually want me to answer? And why would you ask me to do so?
Steeplejack (tablet)
My spidey sense is a’tinglin’.
Omnes Omnibus
Good night, all. Be excellent to everyone.
patroclus
@Lee: He’ll give a speech and it will be after the networks have called it, and it will be remembered as his “concession” speech, but there won’t be a lot of “conceding” in it, and it’ll be a reprise of his usual shtick, including whining, off-script nonsense, shots at someone (Hillary? Rosie O’Donnell? Alicia Marchado? the media, for sure!), plus a lot of bragging about his YOUUUUGE campaign and his YOUUUGE crowds and his wealth and maybe his family. It’ll be must-see TV and will be long remembered – he’s a Reality TV star, after all.
Brachiator
Wait a minute. Didn’t Trump and his surrogates insist that Trump never, ever made fun of a reporter with a disability?
Since Trump would never mock a person’s illness or similar condition, it’s unpossible that Trump would make fun of Hillary. I mean, as he never tires of telling us, he’s a classy guy.
So who is this imposter? Maybe a space alien who lacks a birth certificate. Maybe there’s something about it in the National Enquirer.
Aleta
The Republican leaders who dislike but still support Trump are afraid that if their voters stay home, local candidates downwind of him will lose too. Judges, state legislatures, town councils, school boards, sheriffs, as well as Congress at stake. They see themselves acting nobly to support the Rs in these other battles, (God and country before self, you know, business first, etc. (sarcasm)) Where this is true, they may be unhappy but they’re not going to disassociate from him no matter what.
divF
@Major Major Major Major: I’ve been sitting here working, and not paying much attention to what has been going by, until it hit me: Shannon Entropy – what a great name for a punk band, or a drag queen !
AxelFoley
I hope his white supporters are stupid enough to go into those “certain places” and try to start some shit.
Won’t end well for them.
sukabi
@amk: that’s going to leave a mark…furious twit storm on horizon.
Major Major Major Major
@divF: OMG! Yes! Mind if I tweet that?
TriassicSands
@Mai.naem.mobile:
Kaine seems really personable. Pence seems dour. I would expect Kaine to come across better, but I don’t have enough knowledge of Pence to gauge how he will do in a debate.
Clearly, nobody is going to come close to Trump for sheer lunacy and incompetence. But Pence probably knows enough not to be rude, not to interrupt, and not to get personal. All things you’d expect any adult — except little Donnie — to know.
I also expect that Pence will have prepared for the debate. Whereas Trump is convinced he won the debate in a rout, Pence, whatever else he is, isn’t likely to be delusional like Trump.
From what I’ve seen of Kaine, I would expect him to do well. How he’ll compare with Pence, I can’t say. Maybe Pence, loyal to Donald and not wanting to show him up, will appear in a pink tutu, swim fins, and with a “Halloween” style hockey mask thrown in for good measure. Then, if he simply speaks in complete sentences he will have bested Trump’s performance.
Brachiator
@TriassicSands:
Trump threatens to file a lawsuit, but rarely follows through. And when he does follow through, the suit stands a good chance of being thrown out.
Anne Laurie
@Mai.naem.mobile:
I suspect the Secret Service agents — not just hers, but his — are well aware of this possibility.
Major Major Major Major
@Anne Laurie: God, this is a weird election.
Anne Laurie
@TriassicSands:
You misspelled “dumb”. In a GOP caucus not known for its intellectual talents, his nickname was ‘Mike Dense’.
But while Tim Kaine is indeed personable, and wonky, does he have a gorgeous mane of silver hair? Can he lift a noble chin, stare into the middle distance, and recite a few scripted paragraphs of standard GOP boilerplate?
I’m hoping Pence gets pantsed, several times, by Kaine. But if he can avoid tripping over his own sonorities (not a given, after the way he fumbled his handling of the ‘it’s not homophobic hate speech, it’s christianism in action’ Indiana legislative kerfuffle), the Repubs and their Media Village Idiot enablers will probably appoint him the WINNER!!!, because both sides. And then try to persuade themselves, if not the rest of us, that electing Trump would be perfectly cromulent, since Pence would do the “real” governing.
Aleta
Today someone I’ve known 30 years, town councilman in near-solid traditional R town, owns a fishing boat and goes out with crew all winter, tough guy in his 70s, told us he’s voting for Hillary. This is an amazing thing to hear, and I expected the opposite. The only thing he doesn’t like about her, he said, is she didn’t leave Bill. (Lifelong many-generation Baptist, so this does not compute, but I’m pretty surprised that’s all he got.)
Villago Delenda Est
@srv: Booby is a has been. Pathetic. Sad.
Major Major Major Major
@Anne Laurie: Ryan cleared that bar and Biden still mopped the floor with him… some turds you can’t polish.
Divf
@Major Major Major Major: be my guest!
Villago Delenda Est
@Thing Three: Oh, I don’t know. “Cosmopolitans” perhaps?
sukabi
@DissidentFish: that’s my guess as well, since that’s what the rw idiots have been going on about for years. I don’t think he’ll be able to wait till the debate, think it will be after tues. Vp debate.
Rathskeller
@Bostondreams: he took versions of this story: businessinsider.com/ap-more-than-800-immigrants-mistakenly-granted-citizenship-2016-9
then ran it through the mental blender that he uses to create his insights.
Ryan
You’re free to go back to the Apprentice Donnie, although at this point, I doubt they’d have a stinking loser like you back.
NotMax
@Major Major Major Major
(open schoolmarm mode)
You’re absolved for using “very uniquely” in previous thread.
There are no degrees of uniqueness. Something/someone is either unique or it’s/they’re not.
Peccadillo rather than pecado, but still….
(close schoolmarm mode)
sukabi
@Thing Three: International Bloodsuckers = Russian Mobsters wanting Donnie to pay his debts, or at least the vig.
Anne Laurie
@Thing Three: See next post.
gogol's wife
@Major Major Major Major:
I am finding it kind of creepy that you’re doing this.
Mai.naem.mobile
@TriassicSands: the media is going to be looking for a positive story for Trump so Pence may get a more positive response to his performance even if Kaine did better, and that will get Trump losing his shit again on Twitter.
@Anne Laurie: I wonder what the Secret Service detail is doing when he’s tearing it up on Twitter. Also,makes me wonder if the Secret Service mailed the tax return to the NYT. Ha ha. In service of the future of the country of course.
Procopius
@BruceFromOhio: I don’t think a real Civil War is likely. There are a few hundred militia members who are willing to experience real hardship, go hungry, sleep on the ground, get shot at (no soldier really believe’s he’s going to get shot), get bit my mosquitoes and black flies for their cause. There are thousands more who talk the talk,but would turn back from their first encounter with real war. Of course I could be wrong.
Uncle Cosmo
@patrick II:
Geez, I dunno. Maybe it starts with the 4 AM BORA (Bladder Overpressure Relief Alert) common to males of our (de)generation* (Trumpolini’s a few years farther down Catabolism Blvd than yerstruly but only a few)…& after the pause that refreshes, he grabs the deathphone** on the nightstand & says to himself, Long as I’m awake, might as well fuck someone up…
_____
* The Greatest Degeneration. “Talkin’ ’bout my d-d-d-d-degeneration”. Usw., atd., etc.
** Smrtphone: Smrt = CMPT = “death” in rooskie, last I looked.
Uncle Cosmo
@rk: I learned my lesson 20 years ago after I returned from a vacation in Turkey. I found the Turkish people so hospitable & friendly & indeed so much like the USAns I grew up among that I’d been moved to purchase a bumpersticker in the form of a Turkish flag (white crescent & star on red background) & put it on once I came home. At the time I was working out of an office in the far northeastern suburbs of Baltimore, a hotbed of the Talibangelical Far Wrong even then. A couple of days after I put it on I left the office to find someone had torn it off the bumper, in broad daylight. Cheap lesson; at least no one had smashed a window or keyed the paint job.
Uncle Cosmo
@Anne Laurie: Pence is probably looking at the debate as the pilot for the one-man show he’ll be taking across the country after he leaves office: Warren Harding Tonight!
Another Scott
@Millard Filmore: Google is indeed my friend. However, Google doesn’t say why Trump included that in his answer to the question of whether he would accept the election result, which was kinda my point. Sorry I wasn’t clear.
;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
Ab_Normal
@rk:
The spouse and I took a long stroll through our lower middle class neighborhood. We spotted 6 Trump signs (vs 2 Clinton signs) and I mentally marked the Trump houses as “wow, I wouldn’t let my kid trick or treat there”. (Of course, the kid is now 23 and lives 400 miles away, but the protective reflex remains.)