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Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

Balloon Juice, where there is always someone who will say you’re doing it wrong.

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

If West Virginia and San Francisco had a love child.

If you are in line to indict donald trump, stay in line.

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

Black Jesus loves a paper trail.

It’s a new day. Light all those Biden polls of young people on fire and throw away the ashes.

Dear Washington Post, you are the darkness now.

Republican also-rans: four mules fighting over a turnip.

Pelosi: “He either is stupid, or he thinks the rest of us are.” Why not both?

There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.

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  1. 1.

    Soonergrunt

    The pundits, who’ve lamented a lack of substance this election, all proclaimed that Pence won last night because “style trumps substance.”
    Pence “won” by lying his ass off and throwing Donald Trump under the bus.
    He planted his flag for 2020.

    Kaine wasn’t trying to attack Pence directly, but rather drive a wedge between him and Trump, and set up some avenues of attack for Clinton on Sunday.

  3. 3.

    LAO

    @Soonergrunt: I missed the debate — frankly, Maggie the puppy is a total time suck — but you are 100% right. I’ve listened to some of the commentary and everyone agrees that Pence was not truthful but then concluded he won the debate. I don’t understand. This is one one of the many reasons, we can’t have nice things.

  5. 5.

    Trentrunner

    Just asking: Why is it that Mike Pence gets kudos for being “calm,” but Hillary doesn’t?

    I just can’t think what the reason might be…

  7. 7.

    Bruce K

    I believe that in the land of memes, the proper rejoinder to that is to link to Wikipedia’s article listing burn centers in the United States.

    Ouch.

    Unfortunately, when I clicked on the volunteer link, I got a “sorry, no nearby events” notice. Which is sadly unsurprising, as I’m on the wrong continent…

  8. 8.

    Kylroy

    @Mike E: Especially because I don’t think Kaine is a hatchetman by nature. But he’s willing to play one because that’s what Clinton needs her VP to be. Kaine is doing what he can to help their ticket win – Pence is just looking out for himself,

  9. 9.

    oldster

    It’s a damned good ad, and you can bet they wrote Tim Kaine’s briefing book with it in mind.

    Kaine was a mensch last night and did exactly what the team needed, even if it did not bring him personal glory.

    The follow-up fun will come when Hillary uses this episode to needle Trump during the next debate. “I thought Mike Pence showed real composure during his debate. He told a lot of lies, but at least he knew how to comport himself as a grown-up. How’s your mic, Donald?”

  10. 10.

    amk

    per drew linzer via orange place

    Hillz’s chances have gone from the lowest of 62% on sep 24 to 82% today. 20 point jump in less than 2 weeks.

    In state polls too, she is either closing the gap or increasing the leads in swing states (per drew) of AZ, CO, FL, GA, IA, MI, NV, NH, NC, OH, PA, VA & WI.

  12. 12.

    trollhattan

    Used to think Dan Quayle was the whitest guy to ever run for VP but the title has been ripped away. Pence is a talking potatoe.

  13. 13.

    EllenH

    It’s not just the campaign. Look at this video that CNN put out.

    ETA I don’t seem to be able to link it.

  16. 16.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Soonergrunt:

    He planted his flag for 2020

    Pence planted his flag for 2020 to get his behind kicked by the Democratic Presidential candidate. There are too many of us who know exactly who Pence is with his LGBT-hating self. We won’t be voting for him and his partner this time around and we won’t be doing so in 2020. The pundits arguing that he won yesterday can go jump off the nearest cliff.

  18. 18.

    dr. bloor

    It’s fast because most of it was in the can before the debate started last night. Kaine’s mission was to elicit material from Pence to round out the ad. For all the handwringing about “rude” and “style points”, Team Kaine likely had no fucks to give about what he looked like getting the goods.

  19. 19.

    Major Major Major Major

    CNN poll has Pence winning, 48/42. So half a point Pence, but a draw, really. Also nobody watched it.

    Sam Wang has Hillary at 91% and a Dem senate at 73%. This has been your morning horse race update.

  20. 20.

    Roger Moore

    @Kylroy:

    Kaine is doing what he can to help their ticket win – Pence is just looking out for himself,

    Sure. That’s because Clinton winning looks likely, so the best way for Kaine to boost himself is to make sure he’s seen as a loyal helper getting her into power. Pence knows he’s unlikely to be VP, so his best shot is to position himself for 2017 and beyond.

  22. 22.

    RareSanity

    @oldster:

    How’s your mic, Donald?

    If she said that at the beginning of the debate, she could follow the script of the SNL skit…”No, no, he can have my time.”

  23. 23.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    HRCs team is just better. I freaking knew Kaines goals last night were specific one of biggies was getting good ads from the debate.

  26. 26.

    dr. bloor

    @srv: abc fact check clarified that the returns were actually released after Nixon became president, and rated Kaine’s claim that Nixon released while being audited–which was the crux of it–as true.

  28. 28.

    Corner Stone

    Just getting around to reading the Vanity Fair piece with Graydon Carter spilling on Trump. Sorry if it’s been laughed at before but this was tremendous and stupendous:

    Not surprisingly, it being the 80s, Trump was a recurring fixture in the pages of Spy. We ridiculed not just his fingers but also his business judgment, his jaw-dropping pronouncements, his inflated wealth, his hair, and his marital situations. There was a threatened lawsuit, resulting in a lot of back-and-forth legal letters between him and me. And we printed all of those. At one point we sent checks for $1.11 out to 58 of the “well-known” and “well-heeled” to see who would take the time to endorse and deposit the checks from a firm we called the National Refund Clearinghouse. The ones who deposited the $1.11 checks were sent 64-cent checks, and the ones who deposited those were sent checks for 13 cents. This being in the days before electronic deposits and such, the exercise took the better part of a year. At the end, only two 13-cent checks were signed—and we couldn’t believe our good fortune. One was signed by arms trader Adnan Khashoggi. The other was deposited by Donald Trump.

  30. 30.

    RareSanity

    @srv:

    I think the statement was that Nixon released his tax returns while under audit, not that he did during the campaign.

    ETA: What dr. bloor said.

  31. 31.

    Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck

    So, does anyone here think Kaine and the Clinton team expected Pence to run away from Trump like this? I am inclined to think Kaine was coached to turn the debate into a discussion of how Trump sucks, and when Pence picked the oddball tactic of pretending Trump doesn’t exist, Kaine adapted and sniped at Trump by forcing Pence to deny him repeatedly.

  33. 33.

    gene108

    @trollhattan:

    Used to think Dan Quayle was the whitest guy to ever run for VP but the title has been ripped away. Pence is a talking potatoe.

    Aren’t they both from Indiana?

  34. 34.

    sukabi

    @Patricia Kayden: if this was a just world those pundits wouldn’t be allowed near a mic again in their lives.

    News at 11: News analyst liar admires political liar for their smooth delivery while lying.

  36. 36.

    WereBear

    @hovercraft: Perhaps it’s something about Indiana. They grow them especially white and stupid.

    There is something about Indiana. My mother got us out of our little town in the sixties, because, as she declared, “They won’t let you live.”

    As nice a bunch of people as anyone can be with the multiple oppressive weights of tradition, fundamentalist religion, small town caste structure, agri-business, and the Midwest version of good-old-boys. In other words, fearful and paranoid and desperate.

    When we visited several years ago for my grandmother’s funeral, it was a flat expanse of the most rude and xenophobic people I have ever encountered. The act of asking about a nearby bookstore triggered a retail version of Lord of the Flies.

  39. 39.

    dr. bloor

    @Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck: Pence had a limited number of options in responding to Kaine’s questions and claims, all of which were going to take him down to Trump’s level or force him to run away from Trump. They probably had three or four ad set-ups ready to go, and used the one that fit Pence’s responses.

  40. 40.

    Patricia Kayden

    @WereBear:

    The act of asking about a nearby bookstore triggered a retail version of Lord of the Flies.

    You’ve piqued my curiosity. What does this mean?

  41. 41.

    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap

    Apparently the best military supporting patriots still don’t know what a Blue Star Service pin is. They had yet another freak out because Kaine wore one last night.

  47. 47.

    NickM

    Wait a second, are the Dems actually using *strategy*? Are we even allowed to do that? This is chess while the other side draws with its poo.

  48. 48.

    MattF

    @hovercraft: There was that TV series, Eerie Indiana. And the old saying that no one knows what time it is in Indiana because the state was split into areas in different time zones that did or did not observe daylight savings. All a commie plot, of course.

  50. 50.

    Patricia Kayden

    @amk: I’m shocked at how close it is in Georgia. Wasn’t expecting Secretary Clinton to be doing so well there. Also, looks like she’s inching up nicely in Ohio. This is great news all around.

  52. 52.

    Kylroy

    @John M. Burt: Optics of foreign campaigning aside, I can’t imagine even the largest expat communities amount to much more than 5 digits of voters. There’s a lot of hurdles to jump for very few votes.

  54. 54.

    LAO

    @TaMara (HFG):

    Puppeh!! We need pictures. You should send some to me or Anne Laurie to front page.

    I have a new found respect for John Cole — action pictures are impossible with her, she is a perpetual motion machine. I’ll work on it though cause she is a really cute mutt.

  57. 57.

    Aleta

    Kaine’s effort could be seen as part of an attempt to get Trump as mad as possible before Sunday, so he’ll go off his preparation and spend his time bringing up all those issues again by defending himself. The more the media/twitter mentions that Pence didn’t defend him, the greater his compulsion to answer.

  59. 59.

    Felonius Monk

    MSNBC just had Andrea Mitchell interviewing Tom Brokaw. Reminded me of Mad Magazine’s Spy vs Spy, except it was Hack vs Hack.

    So sad when MSM is reduced to interviewing each other on the sate of the horse race.

  60. 60.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Roger Moore:

    Yes, for Pence, his future’s so bright, he’s gotta, uh, buy a good flashlight.

    To ad infinitum and beyond!

  63. 63.

    jc

    The supposed Dem “insults” that offended Pence were just team Clinton quoting Trump. This is how warped the Republican party has gotten, they’ve spent so much energy manufacturing their own reality that they now barely recognize objective reality.

    The problem with Trump & Pence is that they think they can sucker the country into electing them, they think they can “win” with lies, distortions and hogwash. There’s something seriously unbalanced about today’s true believers on the right, and Clinton and Kaine need to make that point more loudly.

  64. 64.

    MJS

    @srv: Well, if Nixon didn’t do it, then why should Trump? That’s a winning slogan, met with responses of either 1) Nixon proved to be a crook or 2) who’s Nixon?

  65. 65.

    Peale

    @schrodinger’s cat: I don’t see how he wouldn’t. If the premise of the immigration crisis that the GOP has invented is that Obama hasn’t done any vetting on anyone (and secretly wants to let in Muslims to take over the country). So I can’t see why they wouldn’t change the status of legal immigrants to “provisional-under review”.

  66. 66.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    @Corner Stone: I thought so, there must be an endless list of people who have scammed The Donald over the years that he won’t admit to.

  67. 67.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Felonius Monk:

    So sad when MSM is reduced to interviewing each other on the sate of the horse race.

    I’m assuming it was something like this: “What do you think people will think about what the candidates said, and do you think the candidates succeeded in managing expectations for how people would have been about to have begun to think about what they said if they had said it differently?”

  70. 70.

    Shalimar

    @amk: Because 20+ Republicans will run in 2020 if Trump loses. Why wouldn’t Pence be one of them? It’s not like he is going to have a real job then to get in the way.

  72. 72.

    amk

    @scav: LOL. What a clowns’ show for a party. Amazing how the limeys fell for their crap and voted against their own interests.

  73. 73.

    nonynony

    @Felonius Monk:

    MSNBC just had Andrea Mitchell interviewing Tom Brokaw. Reminded me of Mad Magazine’s Spy vs Spy, except it was Hack vs Hack.

    Wait – so did Andrea Mitchell hoist a refrigerator up in the air and convince Brokaw to stand under it while she dropped it on him? If so I’m off to find the YouTube clips…

  74. 74.

    germy

    Didn’t Pence get his start on the old TV show “Thunderbirds Are Go”?

    During the debate I learned he used to have his own radio show. That explains a lot. Those talk radio dudes love making shit up.

  75. 75.

    Punchy

    @WereBear: Being from Chicago, I’ve been programmed from birth to detest everything and anyone from Indiana. But honestly, it’s a third-world country. Backwards people that are angry and aggressive. Like Kentuckians on speed or Tennesseans with less education. Just a cesspool of trash, with perhaps only West Laffy and Bloomington as reasonable areas.

  76. 76.

    Bob2

    @amk: Because like Christie and other Republican governors before him, his state populace hates him so he can’t do anything else but run for President.

  81. 81.

    Roger Moore

    @amk:

    Why do people here assume that mike dunce will run in 2020?

    He’s a Republican, he’s legally eligible, and he has a pulse. That makes him a leading candidate by this year’s formula.

  82. 82.

    Gindy51

    @Punchy: We live in the southern hilly/valley half, near Batesville and keep pretty much to ourselves. Daughter lives in Bloomington and could not wait to gtf out of here. I love our wildlife sanctuary so I won’t move (some ass would plow it all under and plant GMO corn). My neighbors are harmless, half are Dems, believe it or not, and most are NOT native as they are from all over the place (Cali to NYC). We are military/airline career so we moved all the time and settled here. Cheap land, cheaper taxes, lots of ability to do your own thing.

  86. 86.

    hovercraft

    OT A long read from back in 1996 This is just a taste, but ti’s a trip down memory lane,.
    Hating Hillary
    Hillary Clinton has been trashed right and left—but what’s really fuelling the furies?
    By Henry Louis Gates

    Like horse-racing, Hillary-hating has become one of those national pastimes which unite the élite and the lumpen. Serious accusations have, of course, been levelled against the President’s wife, but it’s usually what people think of her that determines the credence and the weight they give to the accusations, rather than the reverse. At times, she herself sounds at a loss to explain the level of animosity toward her. “I apparently remind some people of their mother-in-law or their boss, or something,” she says. She laughs, but she isn’t joking, exactly.

    The remark chimes with something I’ve been told by the redoubtable Sally Quinn, who—in part because she’s a frequent contributor to the Washington Post, in part because she’s the wife of the Post’s legendary editor Ben Bradlee—must herself count as a figure in the so-called Washington establishment. “There’s this old joke about the farmer whose crops fail,” she says. “One year, he’s wiped out by a blizzard, and the next year there’s a rainstorm, and the next year there’s a drought, and so on every year. Finally, he’s completely bankrupt—he’s lost everything. He says, ‘Why, Lord? Why, why me?’ And the Lord says, ‘I don’t know. There’s just something about you that pisses me off.’ ” She pauses, then says, “That’s the problem—there’ s just something about her that pisses people off. This is the reaction that she elicits from people.”

    Well, from many people, anyway. “A lot of Americans are uncomfortable with her self-righteousness,” Arianna Huffington says. “I think gratitude is great if you can communicate it, but if you have to keep telling people how grateful you are . . .” William Kristol, a Republican strategist and, since September, the editor and publisher of The Weekly Standard, puts it this way: “She strikes me as a sort of moralistic liberal who has a blind spot for actions that are in her own interest. These are exempt from that cold gaze that she casts over everyone else’s less than perfect actions.” On the whole, though, he’s one of the more dispassionate voices you’re likely to hear on the subject. Peggy Noonan, who came to prominence as a speechwriter for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, speaks of “an air of apple-cheeked certitude” that is “political in its nature and grating in its effects,” of “an implicit insistence throughout her career that hers were the politics of moral decency and therefore those who opposed her politics were obviously of a lower moral order.” She adds, “Now, with Whitewater going on, nonliberals are taking a certain satisfaction in thinking, Uh-huh, you were not my moral superior, Madam.”………..

    “She and the President have a private arrangement that is based on power sharing—she is his equal and he acknowledges it. But they realized that the American people weren’t ready for that, and so they are trying to do it without telling people. And that is what is creating this sense that they are hiding something.” Williams, for her part, emphasizes the simple fact of companionship: “He doesn’t have a Haldeman. Leon Panetta is doing a brilliant job, but I don’t believe they are close like Nixon and Haldeman were close. I think it’s difficult for the President to have friends the way we have friends. He has a best friend, though, and that best friend is Hillary.”……

  90. 90.

    Dmbeaster

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques: Not literally a scam, but one of the funniest Trump stories concerns the financial arrangement between Trump and the writer of Art of the Deal. From the New Yorker article about the writer (technically the ghostwriter, but since Trump wrote none of it…)

    Being a ghostwriter was hackwork. In the end, though, Schwartz [the ghostwriter] had his price. He told Trump that if he would give him half the advance and half the book’s royalties he’d take the job.

    Such terms are unusually generous for a ghostwriter. Trump, despite having a reputation as a tough negotiator, agreed on the spot. “It was a huge windfall,” Schwartz recalls. “But I knew I was selling out.

    So, the deal for the book that supposedly documented Trump’s savvy represented a dimwitted give away of millions by Trump. True poetic justice.

  92. 92.

    Monala

    This election as a high school classroom. An analogy in three parts.

    History test review, part one

    Teacher: Let’s go over the questions that will be on tomorrow’s test. I’ll call on each of you in turn to see what you know. Hillary, let’s start with you. When did World War II begin?

    Hilary: World War II began on September 1, 1939 when Germany invaded Poland, leading to declarations of war by Britain and France. However, some say that earlier conflicts that decade should also be considered part of WW2, such as the Sino-Japanese war, the..

    Teacher: Yes, yes, Hillary, it’s very clear you’re well-prepared for tomorrow’s test.

    (Hillary does a little shimmy)

    Donald: Hillary is a stupid, ugly, suck-upping nerd!

    Teacher: Donald! You’re not allowed to talk like that in my classroom! Are you even ready for tomorrow’s test?

    Donald: Of course I am! I have the best brain! I’m going to get so many right answers, you’ll get sick of giving me A’s!

    (Teacher rolls eyes)

  94. 94.

    Cermet

    @Roger Moore: You should say: “He’s an old white guy. Who else can run in a thug party for the President. It is called the White House for a reason, too.”

  95. 95.

    Monala

    @Monala:

    History test review, part two

    Teacher: Let’s move on to Mike. Mike, what nations were the three leading Axis powers?

    Tim: Oh, I know, I know! Germany, Italy, and Japan!

    Teacher: That’s correct, but I’ll remind you, Tim, not to talk out of turn. Let’s return to Mike. What system of government existed in Nazi Germany?

    Mike: Democracy.

    Tim: Nuh-uh! It was fascism! Just like what your buddy Donnie believes!

    Mike: Teacher, Tim is insulting us!

    (Meanwhile, Donald grins and lifts up his shirt sleeve to show off his swastika tattoo)

  96. 96.

    Monala

    @Monala:

    History test review, part three

    Teacher: Okay, now it’s your turn, Gary. Name a country that Adolph Hitler invaded.

    Bill: (whispers to Gary) Poland.

    Gary: Uh… a country?

    Teacher: Yes, a country.

    Bill: (whispers) Czechoslovakia

    Gary: You mean, like in America?

    Teacher: (sighs) No, in Europe.

    Bill: (whispers) Austria

    Gary: I don’t know any countries in Europe.

  97. 97.

    bluefish

    Brilliant, timely, and fast! Kudos to whomever put this one together.

    I for one was more than happy to see Kaine register through words and facial expressions — and puppy like enthusiasm! — the total revulsion this pair of wankers elicits in millions of us enduring this long, national nightmare.

    Keep on walking into each and every slow, snapping trap, boys. Keep it up. All two inches of it.

  98. 98.

    Cermet

    @bluefish: But the butt monkey’s – aka news media – isn’t happy since pople actting nice on the media is what counts; facts, belief, and honesty is for losers.

  99. 99.

    Immanentize

    @amk:
    Mike is a stupider but more gracious version of Cruz. Cruz will run in 2020 as well and there is not room for two self-righteous Christianist haters in the finalist pool. And the Christianists (with White Christian Nationalists) will want their winner. Huckabee and Santorum got creamed quickly this year by Cruz. I do not think that Pence can beat Cruz — but time will tell.

  101. 101.

    Mnemosyne

    @amk:

    I’ll go a slightly different direction than everyone else is:

    It doesn’t matter if Pence is actually positioning himself to run in 2020. It only matters that Trump believes that’s what Pence was doing when he should have been defending Trump.

  102. 102.

    hovercraft

    Some of today’s headlines

    Chicago Tribune: Pence fights — and lies — to keep the stench of Trump off him
    New York Times: Mike Pence’s Fantasy Running Mate
    Washington Post: Mike Pence struggles to defend the indefensible
    Buzzfeed: Mike Pence Won The Debate For His Imaginary Running Mate, Mitt Romney
    Politico: 6 things Trump definitely said that Pence claimed he didn’t

  104. 104.

    Immanentize

    @hovercraft: Re: Indiana — I am sorry that Kaine did not get a better opportunity to call Pence a racist like the 7th Circuit did just the day before. But it was too new to make a dent in a sound-bite way. he tried, but it made no sense. “The Federal Courts have found you are a racist” would ave worked for me.

  106. 106.

    hovercraft

    @Immanentize:
    According to Mike Murphy the genius who ran the JEB ! superpac, Ted Cruz was the biggest loser last night, because last night a star was born. And he is now the leader of the pack.

  108. 108.

    PPCLI

    I am praying that this will be a turning point: Twitter and instant internet video replies may mean the end of the Gish Gallop as a Republican debate strategy. The Democrats learned the lesson of the first Obama-Romney debate, and they were ready with an artillery battery loaded, aimed and ready.

  110. 110.

    bobbo

    @Bruce K: Maybe you can make calls? hillaryclinton.com/calls
    You can do it from home. Though I don’t know if being on another continent makes that impossible, too.

  111. 111.

    Rand Careaga

    Would it be possible for one of our hosts here to assemble a compilation of srv’s greatest hits from this election cycle? I think it would be good for plenty of chuckles post-November 8.

  112. 112.

    Immanentize

    @hovercraft: Perhaps, but what is Mike Pence going to do for four years? Just run for President? He will not have a platform (like being Governor) and I am not sure he has enough backing to keep him in front of the country without a political position. I will bet a six-pack of you beer choice that Pence will not run in four years.

  115. 115.

    Miss Bianca

    @LAO: When she’s asleep…

    Meanwhile, Lefty Kitty just got spayed, and I’m supposed to keep her quiet and not jumping on anything or wrassling with Pancho Kitty for 10 days. HA!! She’s already into everything again, her little sassy self!

  119. 119.

    Jeffro

    @Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck: I had to Google that Tribune one…it’s an opinion piece instead of straight reporting, but still, OUCH!

    Money quote:

    Pence beat Kaine at debating, no doubt. But Kaine’s constant prodding and Pence’s consistent denials will come back to haunt the Trump campaign.

    Pence won the battle Tuesday night. Kaine set his campaign up to win the war.

  120. 120.

    hovercraft

    @Immanentize:
    He’ll get a gig on FOX silly. That’s where all future presidents go to stay in the spotlight, make money and bide their time. He was a talk radio host so he’ll be perfect.

  121. 121.

    hovercraft

    @Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:
    That I believe was part of the plan, drive him nuts. There were reports that he wasn’t happy that Pence got better reviews than him, but it seems someone was able to convince him to keep his mouth shut and his fingers off the phone (metaphorically speaking). But it is all building, and team Hillary will continue to tweak him and hope it all comes to a head Sunday.

  122. 122.

    satby

    @Gindy51: That’s a pretty area. I’m enjoying being back in a more urban area in South Bend, and because of all the universities it’s pretty diverse. More food choices too.

  123. 123.

    Amir Khalid

    @Immanentize:
    Being years out of office didn’t stop Rick Santorum from running this year. Or Mike Huckabee. Or Jeb Bush. Or Jim Gilmore. Or George Pataki.

  124. 124.

    phoebesmother

    I haven’t read all the comments but just now I realized what we just saw: THIS WAS PLANNED, another trap; Kaine risked being seen as uncivil by going on the attack and goading Pence into denying things that Trump had said and they knew he had said on camera. That ad out in less than 12 hours? Masterful; I don’t think the Trump campaign knows what they’re up against. I just hope Americans know who’s really smart and good at defeating the enemies in the larger world.

  127. 127.

    Stan

    @Bill: There is the Auburn-Cord-Deusenberg museum in Auburn, which is really cool if you love old cars. And they don’t get much better than Cords.

  128. 128.

    hovercraft

    @Lee:
    If you click the link button above the comment box, when dialog box comes up delete http that’s already there, then pastes the link you want to include, then click ok, then click link again within the comment section where you want the link to end, then post your comment

  130. 130.

    bluefish

    @Cermet: For sure because surfaces beckon the superficial. Then 12 or 48 hours go by and reality begins to set in. Even the talking heads can’t deny it for too too long when it’s just this blatant. (One thing both Kaine and Trump had in common: some seriously garish ties around their respective necks.) How anyone can be pronounced the winner of a debate when he lies repeatedly about basic, on the record statements is just part of what’s made this season so deeply deeply disgusting. Pence walked into the debate craven and leaves it craven plus. O’Donnell did himself proud last night.

  131. 131.

    Lee

    @hovercraft:

    LOL I completely asked the wrong question.

    How do you direct link to the Clinton ad in the post?

    As far as I can tell there is no way to view it except on TheTwit.

  135. 135.

    catclub

    @Lee:

    As far as I can tell there is no way to view it except on TheTwit.

    I could view it on the Slate.
    Link to that version?

  138. 138.

    Arclite

    The ads write themselves. I bet Clinton’s ad makers work about one day a week, their jobs are so easy. The rest of the time they’re probably watching West Wing re-runs. =D

  139. 139.

    Jay C

    @Amir Khalid:

    Being years out of office didn’t stop Rick Santorum from running this year. Or Mike Huckabee. Or Jeb Bush. Or Jim Gilmore. Or George Pataki.

    Yeah, but except for Jeb!, where did it get them? They all went nowhere really fast: except for Bush, who took just a little longer to get nowhere…

  140. 140.

    J R in WV

    @amk:

    What other kind of steady paying work with a pension can Pence get?

    Other than grifting Republicans for campaign contributions. I guess he was a wing-nut radio guy, I think doing wing-nut radio in rural Indiana would be low-paid at best! Plus not high-profile!

  141. 141.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    So Trump is taking credit for Pence debate last night, going on about Pence was his first hire. So I suppose Pence is how Trump sees himself in the first debate.

  142. 142.

    Kropadope

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques: Trump would take credit for the sun rising in the morning if it suited him. Also, he had many hires before Pence and his campaign has had a lot of turnover; public, embarrassing turnover.

  143. 143.

    J R in WV

    @Gindy51:

    There are nice people in Indiana, I’ve met some on rock collecting weekends up there. People are generally helpful, we never ran into blatant hostility from anyone. The south end of the state is really pretty. Rolling green hills.

  145. 145.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    It’s really not surprising Pence is picked as the “winner”. But it bugs me.

    Trump started the first debate by repeating his standard talking points, parrot like, and a lot of people say he did “great” in those first 20 minutes. But my inner Clara Peller was going “where’s the beef?” and I was wondering why no one said “I don’t know, Trump’s been saying that over and over, just claiming he’ll renegotiate those trade deals, and bam, jobs come back. I think his voters are ready to hear some real plans, some real basis for believing he’s not just an inveterate bullshitter”.

    Hillary talks out some plans, like she’s dealing with adults who don’t want hear “Jobs. Fleeing. Trade deals! Pennsylvania! Michigan! West Virginia! Trade deals! Jobs FLEEING!” and people say she’s not likable enough. As if Trump-the-asshole is likable?

    The Republicans have really learned how to work the refs, or the media are really stupid.

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