I hear a lot of people (men) saying they have never heard talk like this from Trump in their lives. I don’t recall ever hearing anyone saying it’s ok to assault women, but I have heard highly sexualized talk like this before. Not the “grab em by the pussy” or shit like that, but the usual “I’d love to blah blah blah” and stuff where you basically treat a woman as an anatomical part and not a person. But it was when I was 17-25, and in the Army in a tank with three other guys, or while hammered and pledging a fraternity, or on the lacrosse team.
But then I grew up. Hell, a few years ago when I was still the Grand Chapter Advisor for the fraternity, during homecoming, an alum from the 80’s started to sing an old song, while drunk, that was particularly demeaning and vulgar, and I stopped it. I told him that we don’t engage in that kind of talk and thinking anymore. We wouldn’t allow this in our fraternity. We changed a lot of things, first and foremost was that you treat women like human beings.
And here is a man who wants to be President, months after marrying his third wife in his 60’s, after divorcing the second wife who he had a well publicized affair with while married to his first wife, talking like a sociopath and rapist. The man is sick.
Trentrunner
Glad to see MSNBC is basically saying Trump’s sexual assaults and the leaked Clinton speeches are equivalent stories.
piratedan
@Trentrunner: yeah the speeches were leaked… ooo important! what was in them? not a whole fucking lot apparently. TY MBF, patron saint of the media.
BR
@Trentrunner:
You’re not serious, are you? The excerpts I saw from the Clinton speeches were about as innocuous as something like that can get. Does the mere fact of something being leaked make it bad?
Feebog
Hey he apologized to anyone who was offended. Plus, I’m sure Rudy took him to confession and made it all better. No biggie.
jl
Hi John. I am part of the club too (secret hetero boor handhake here). I don’t travel in Trump level power circles, and I don’t know how the rich sociopathic set talks. But the idea that this is standard male boor banter is nonsense. I’ve worked with jackass male sexists, some pretty grabby. Never heard anything like that. Trump is basically bragging that he can assault women because he is rich and famous. When a powerful person talks like that it sets off alarm bells, whether it is using power to administratively assault employees to steal their time or money or dignity, or push weaker people around, or anything. More so when it concerns physical assault on a human being. Ain’t normal. I can’t remember hearing anyone talk like that, even at the hetero boor monthly club meetings.
Corner Stone
What in the fucking fuck is going on?
JPL
CNN is all over this. Personally, I had no idea this would go viral, because I found his comments about the Central Park five worse. This is the guy who talked about the size of his pe.nis so what do they expect. He’s a racist pig and always has been one. My son was over earlier and listened to the tape. His comment was uhoh, he’s trying to say Clinton did it too. He was put on notice at an early age, that was not an acceptable excuse.
lamh36
@Trentrunner: Right as brought up by professional HRC hater Andrea Mitchelllsmh
Trentrunner
@BR: On Hardball, Chris had Andrea and Ruth Marcus discussing Trump’s tape. Andrea breathlessly brandished a “hot-off-the-press” hardcopy IN HER HAND of the “sought-after” Clinton GS speeches. The panel desperately tried to make them equivalent, but Marcus said that “sex beats Goldman-Sachs” any day, which is why I guess she’s at the New York Times.
lamh36
Honestly, I think Billy Bush et all didn’t even realize they had this hot mic thing. But once Trump won nom…they scoured the tapes…
Corner Stone
And he has surrounded himself with surrogates that all work to use their power to demean people with less power.
Ghouliani, Christie, Gingrich.
He made these comments about the time his daughter Ivanka was about 20 or so.
lamh36
Lordt…Hardball has Joy Ann Reid and Michelle Bachmann to discuss Trump tapes…I can’t stand to even watch Bachmann…smh
hilts
David Letterman on Trump: “if you see somebody who’s not behaving like any other human you’ve known, that means something. They need an appointment with a psychiatrist. They need a diagnosis and they need a prescription.”
A Trump supporter tried to give Kurt Eichenwald an epileptic seizure for simply doing his job
jl
@Corner Stone: People upset about Trump stuff they already knew, but had to wait for an officially sanctioned gotcha.
geg6
OMG, Bachman is on Tweety and saying Hillary is far more scandalous than Trump.
gene108
@Feebog:
Probably the first time he’s apologized in his life. His handlers must have really gotten through to him.
jl
@Trentrunner: It’s not about ‘sex’ its about ruthless control, humiliation and physical assault. But maybe Marcus was going meta on what sells in the media.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’d say 15 to 20, and Olivia Nuzzi gets to something I’ve been thinking about these comments
One of those deep profiles said that back in the Studio 54 days, Trump liked to be photographed with models, but as often as not went home to sit up watching TV with a bag of candy. Like a lot of the frat boys and lacrosse players you mention, Trump wants to sound like a ladies man, but he doesn’t know how to brag about it.
Furniture shopping?
lamh36
@BR: oh…there are to left leaning twitter journos also tweeting about them…trying to get some of the tabloid oxygen, but nope…Trump…trumped those emails and speech hacks…
Percysowner
I couldn’t stand to listen for more than a few seconds, but according to Michelle Bachman, this was all a plot by Hillary Clinton! It’s all her fault! Frankly, if she has a time machine that she took bake to 2005 and then mind whammied Trump into making these statements so that they would surface now, I want HER a President, time machine, mind whammy and all.
JPL
To a friend who was appalled about the Lewinski affair, I mentioned that I wasn’t thrilled to have the sons read the paper, but I never hesitated to have them hear him give a public address. With Trump you get both.
Corner Stone
“Bad Boy Talk”. Trump was fucking over 50 years old when he was recorded saying this.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Everything just adds up with this guy now. Groping his daughter on stage, Ivana’s rape charge, the rape trial coming up next week, his inner circle of the 9 wives club, now this tape. The profligacy of his cheating, lying, stealing, unfiltered racism, white entitlement and lazy ignorance – it all adds up. He doesn’t have one redeeming feature, which is a feature not a bug, for his deplorables. He’s going down, bigly.
Betty Cracker
Someday, your grandchildren may ask where you were when you heard that that scary neo-fascist Trump campaign they’ve read about blew up. I was in a sports bar watching former Rays ace David Price (now with the Red Sox) flail against Cleveland.
Saw a news alert and said to the mister, “Trump is done! Shots all around!” ? No way he recovers from this.
Sandia Blanca
This diary at DailyKos contains additional insights into his behavior during the 80s and 90s that is utterly depraved. Must read (but it’s a long read)!
MomSense
@geg6:
She said her betrayal of national security is like Benedict Arnold.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and Michelle Bachmann finally ends her filibuster. Tweety’s producers could have at least show Joy Reid’s reactions in live split screen
lamh36
I mean locker room..okay…sure…but what woman do you know would be happy hearing those things from ANY man?
Corey Lewd…tried to spin it on CNN saying Trump speaks from the heart and said it’s no different than what folks talk about at the dinner table…
What?? I got ALOT of cousins..we cuss a lot…hell, I can cuss like a sailor too, but if ANYONE said these type of things at the dinner table….
HELL NAW…grown or not…they likely get popped in the mouth…
Feebog
@gene108:
You do understand that was snark right? I think I may need to refill my sarcasm tank refilled…
Percysowner
I LOVE Joy Reid! She just quoted Michelle Bachman saying that God raised Trump up because God raises up who he will and TAKES DOWN who he will, so shouldn’t we see the release of these tapes as being God taking Trump down.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
God bless Joy Reid, how brings Bachmann’s crazy “God chose Donald Trump” back to her
and fucking Tweety, “you don’t have to talk about that, your religion”
Fuck you, you never-recovered altar boy.
ETA: Oh my god, you can see so clearly in Bachmann’s face that she’s never encountered the pushback that Reid is giving her
BR
@Betty Cracker:
Media has a memory of 3 days. And I’m sure they will want at least one more bad HRC news cycle before we’re through.
Trump is never done when we think he’s done.
hilts
@geg6:
Bachman and Matthews deserve each other. They’re both putrid scum.
MomSense
I love Joy Ann Reid.
lamh36
@Percysowner: Love Joy Reid
Where’s Adam S…he loves him some Joy Ann…I know he’ll want that clip…lol
NickM
Trump is saying he assaults married women if they’re hot. Cuckservatives – love it.
Corner Stone
Joy Reid is playing on Bachmann’s wheelhouse and eating her fucking lunch.
Won’t matter to Bachmann fans but JR is working her ass left to right.
gene108
@JPL:
Bill’s a womanizer, but he’s still able to respect women for their brains and personality. Unlike Trump, it’s not all T&A regarding Bill’s attitude towards women.
Even in the adulterating asshole category Trump is in a league of his own.
redshirt
@Betty Cracker: David Price is more of a Jack at this point.
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
Mnemosyne
As I’ve said in other threads, I’m a woman myself, but I have 4 older brothers and have worked in male-dominated workplaces where sometimes the guys would talk without realizing I could hear them. John is absolutely right — crude sexual talk is common, but talking about sexual assault is not. At all.
Don’t let the right wing try to normalize it. This is WAY out of bounds even for frat boys.
dmsilev
@lamh36:
I’m not sure the heart is the correct organ. Mr. Trump is a permanently-vented spleen.
Also, note to self, never accept a dinner invitation from Mr. Lewandowski.
lamh36
This is Reince’s ENTIRE statement on the tapes ???
scav
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Hey baby, shall I take you to the bedroom dept? These things, mattresses, are so personal, you should always give them a test drive. What about a casting couch? With legs as long as yours, it must be very important again to test out that personal fit. Why don’t you sit on that stool and give me a twirl?
chopper
trump is saying this is just locker room banter. i didn’t know we were voting for chief locker room of the United States.
Corner Stone
@Feebog: Don’t worry about it. I have had to re-order my bags of “can’t evens” at least 5 times this general election. Shit happens with a full on fascist party running.
lamh36
Ivanka Trump in May
@NorahODonnell
“I’m not in every interaction my father has. But he’s not a groper.” More from @IvankaTrump @CBSThisMorning
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
Bunch of puzzies.
Betty Cracker
@BR: He’s on tape crudely describing himself committing a sexual assault. He is fucking toast.
Percysowner
@lamh36:
With their mothers in the room? And their wives? And their daughters? Boy he must come from a weird family.
hilts
@MomSense: @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
if the dumbasses who run MSNBC had any brains they’d fire Chris Matthews and replace him with Joy Reid. Matthews is too fucking dumb and too fucking obnoxious to pollute the airwaves any longer.
Trentrunner
@jl: Sexual assault. It’s about power, humiliation, dominance, AND sex. It’s right there in the title! And I’ve been calling what Trump did “sexual assault” for three threads now. :)
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
Tomorrow’s hilarious front page of NY Daily News (photo)
gene108
@Feebog:
Heard about this on the radio. Trump has an actual apology out.
Corner Stone
@gene108:
Can we not with this bullshit?
lamh36
Invanka in may
@NorahODonnell
“I’m not in every interaction my father has. But he’s not a groper.” More from @IvankaTrump @CBSThisMorning
piratedan
@lamh36: in a rare bit of understanding what Mr. Priebus is up against, that is probably the best response we could expect. He clearly knows its indefensible and based on all of his past tweets, attempting to call this out now and say that THIS is the line that shall not be crossed is going to seem… insincere.
philadelphialawyer
In my experience men, even in high school, don’t talk this way, not in the locker room, and not even when in the private company of close friends or relatives. Trump was almost sixty when he made these comments, and was not in a private setting at all, and knew he was being recorded.
While some men do say that they would like to do such and such with so and so’s etc, they don’t say that they actually do do it, and certainly not in this way. As Cole says…”I’d love to…” NOT “I do…” Fantasizing about what they would love to do (even if that WOULD amount to a crime because there is no talk of consent), is not the same thing as stating that they actually do it. Trump is, as has been pointed out, basically bragging about committing sexual assault. That he goes up to women, in a cold call type situation, and just grabs them in their crotches. And that he gets away with it. Not a fantasy, but a brag.
That is not something to brag about, not even in the locker room.
What some men do brag about is more like that women want to or do grab their crotches, or that women guide their (the man’s) hand to their own (the woman’s) crotches. Being attractive to women, and “scoring,” if you will, on a purely consensual basis, is what some men brag about. That women love them. And come on to them. That they are like Don Draper or Mick Jagger. And so on.
And, of course, that is only some men. Most men don’t say any of this at all.
hilts
@lamh36:
Reince Priebus is a nail biting, bed wetting coward.
lamh36
jl
A couple of commenters mentioned the Central Park 5 affair. Nothing more you need to know after that. Trump would rather unjustly punish five people known, proven, to be innocent rather than back down from his bigotry or admit he was wrong. Not surprising he stiffs workers investors and business partners, cheats on his taxes, humiliates people because he can and he enjoys it, lies, and physically assaults women.
PPCLI
One side benefit of Trump’s remarks is a new euphemism.
“Honey, with all of the kids sleeping at friends’s houses tonight, how about we have a nice dinner then go shopping for furniture?”
JPL
@lamh36: haha I saw that.. Just keep digging.
Cacti
Yes, men will frequently engage in lewd talk.
No, it doesn’t usually include their personal fondness for second degree sexual assault on any attractive woman they meet.
Corner Stone
Man. When you have Access Hollywood on your ass. Damn.
jl
@Trentrunner: I was commenting on Marcus, not your take on it.
dmsilev
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: The top-rated reader comment in the Times article was basically “Quote him verbatim”, which actually got a response from the moderator:
Corner Stone
This puts a final ceiling on any support from women he could have possibly ever won, in addition to men who give a shit about the women in their lives.
p.a.
“Nice political party ya got dere. Be a shame if anytin’ was ta happen ta it… NOT!”
gf120581
@David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: I’m really going to be interested to see what Ryan does tomorrow concerning that joint appearance with Trump in Wisconsin.
It’s not just the House guys. Mike Pence had the press pool booted from the restaurant he was dining in when this broke. He’s even less interested in discussing Trump than he was on Tuesday night.
I read that if Trump had another poor debate performance Sunday night, the GOP would give him the Dole in 1996 treatment and cut him loose. That may be moved up now.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Tweety imagines Americans gathering at roadside joints that say “Chopped Steaks and Cocktails” outside. Maybe he said “Chops, Steaks and Cocktails”, but… my god.
Cacti
Trump just talks the way people talk at the dinner table…
In a sex offenders cell block at the state prison.
PPCLI
@gene108: It may be the closest thing to an apology Trump has ever come, but “I apologize to anyone who might have been offended, this was locker room banter, Bill did worse when we went golfing.” doesn’t count as an apology.
jl
@philadelphialawyer: To be put extra crude sauce on your point, it’s like bragging that you can’t get girls to want you, you just PAY for them.That is a loser brag, even among the boors. Not many dudes bragging about how they walk up and just assault women, That doesn’t confer status, it confers contempt and fear among normal boors.
MomSense
@hilts:
My guess is that Reince, Ryan, RNC, et al had their emails hacked by the Russians months ago and they are playing along – or else.
gf120581
@gene108: Classic Trump “apology” though. “Sorry if you losers are offended, but Bill Clinton is far worse.”
@lamh36: I imagine this is going to cause a flood of stories on his behavior to come pouring out. A tape as crude and disgusting as this gives the press a lot of leeway on what they can put out there.
burnspbesq
One imagines Jeff Bezos sitting on a boat on Lake Washington, watching the sun set, drinking a beer and smiling.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@lamh36:
Jill Harth is all up in that TL, bringing it to Ivanka. All of a sudden that rape trial that a lot of us on twitter were re-tweeting about in frustration that it wasn’t being taken seriously, will be on center stage. Timing!
philadelphialawyer
@jl: Exactly. You put it much better and more succinctly than I could.
David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch
WOOOOOOOOOOOOCOOOODANODE!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
‘bot on Tweety says there will be a lot of pressure on Reince Priebus to make Mike Pence the nominee. That ought to be the moment she gets dropped through a trap door to the sound of a slide whistle
Mary G
CNN is where I happened to read it first, and they printed all the words, not like p***y, but the entire word. This is where the Trump campaign has gotten us, and now they will probably print all the words in every article for all time. He is a stain on America’s permanent record.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@burnspbesq:
I don’t know who hired David Farenthold, but that guy just saved the Republic, and won Bezos’ bargain basement giveaway with an order from Amazon, a Pulitzer or three.
hilts
@jl:
“Nothing more you need to know after that.”
Trump’s Central Park Five comments and this audiotape should scream out to any sentient, rational voter that he is a sadist and a degenerate. Hopefully, the mounting revulsion building against Trump will be sufficient to help the Democrats win control of the Senate.
Blueskies
@shomi: Shut the fuck up, shomi. You’re out of your element here.
Turgidson
As a dude in my 30s who played sports in high school and went to the gym occasionally in college, I can certainly attest that some men say offensive and objectifying stuff about women as freely as they draw breath when they’re in “just the boys” settings like the locker room or drinking themselves stupid together.
I can also say I never did, even in my late teen/early 20s years. I wouldn’t call myself an unusually empathetic or sensitive person, but even my stupid teeanger ass was self-aware enough to know that I wouldn’t want other people saying shit like that to or about me. So I didn’t.
Trump’s banter in the tape is worse than most of what I ever heard, though. As Cole said, he’s basically bragging about his ability to commit sexual assault without consequence. That is particularly indecent even by the standards of crude teenage horndog boys.
And yet, as I said in the last thread, I’m not at all surprised Trump would say shit like that, and I find it pathetic that THIS appears to be the thing that finally pushed the media too far. Not the hundreds of other atrocities to the English language he’s committed or the braindead hate he’s aroused or the unAmerican horseshit he’s proposed as “policy.” None of that was too much for them. But this is? Egads.
Corner Stone
@PPCLI:
At almost 60 years of age, with a 20 something daughter and another pre-teen or so one!
That’s how he talks about women as a damn grandpa!
JPL
CNN is saying Trump might make a statement, since the rats are all jumping the ship. Why didn’t the rats jump after previous racist and misogynist statements. Maybe they will all sink.
schrodinger's cat
@Corner Stone: He was close to sixty.
Sloane Ranger
I’ve overheard conversations like this – from late adolescent boys (normally virgins) looking to impress their mates with their masculinity. The fact that these statements came from a mature adult indicates, at the very least, emotional immaturity and, at worse, a predator.
Fair Economist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Too late. Ballots have been printed and mailed to Armed Forces and citizens abroad, and probably absentee and postal voters.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Or the tube drops down, sucks her up through the roof and spits her out at the Right Twix facility next door.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and when Trump said these things, he was trying to impress…. Billy Bush.
trying to impress Billy Bush with his machismo and furniture-shopping game
Keith G
@Corner Stone:
Yeah, Gene apparently does not recall the sworn testimony of one Vernon Jordan re: Golf talk with Bill about the fairer sex. I remember thinking, “Straight men are disgusting”. Luckily that does not matter since Bill is not running for office.
You gotta bet that this will be an early question in the town hall. This is so sweet.
hilts
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
David Farenthold and Kurt Eichenwald should both be locks for Pulitizers. I also hope they have bodyguards to protect them from Trump’s lunatic supporters.
schrodinger's cat
Snooze Hour had the most useless pundit to ever pundit on, and he was tone policing Kaine. My cat would be a better Pundit than Mark Shields.
Trentrunner
@jl: This is smart, and true.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mary G: They should use the exact words that Trump used. People should see exactly who the guy is.
The Thin Black Duke
This might be Trump’s “Sandra Fluke” moment.
Keith G
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
But there is no mechanism to do this. None.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@JPL:
He’ll make a statement like he did with his birtherism – he’ll talk about one of his hotels and how the furniture he was talking about was very classy, very elegant and is in all the hotel rooms, let’s talk about how great he is and his hotel is huge and his fingers aren’t small. He’s 70 years old and has never had a self-aware, empathetic moment in his life. He’s not starting now.
MomSense
@hilts:
Eichenwald said his kids have received threats.
Mnemosyne
@Keith G:
As I said in the thread below, Bill may indulge in disgusting locker room talk, but he’s smart enough not to do while he’s wearing a microphone.
(Plus I doubt that Bill’s talk is quite as rapey as Trump’s — that’s the unusual part, not the crudeness.)
Corner Stone
@Keith G: I don’t know what point you’re making, Chief Pearl Clutcher in Charge.
sigaba
@dmsilev:
It is said that Trump has hacked the media.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@hilts:
They’re both in real physical danger. They’re heroes, and I hope their management in conjunction with law enforcement is paying close attention. They’re saving us from our fucked up stupid selves. Both of them are the inheritors of the Spotlight torch.
bemused
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Tweety was a chickenshit.
p.a.
In a surprise reversal, Republicans at the federal, state, and local level are moving to allow sex offenders to vote. Rancid Priapism explained, “It just turns out to be a natural constituency…”
Mandalay
@geg6:
TBF, that is the best strategy for the GOP to adopt: briefly acknowledge in passing that Trump’s comments were “inappropriate”, then drone about Libya or emails or Goldman Sachs.
You can’t defend the indefensible, so why try? It’s a pattern that will repeat itself over and over until the debate. Let’s see how many Republicans go on the record this weekend attacking Trump for his comments. My guess is none, apart from those such as Bill Kristol who already oppose him.
Cacti
Temple Taggart, Miss Utah 1997, says Trump gave her and other contestants uninvited kisses on the mouth during the pageant.
Also said the he invited her to New York to discuss her modeling career, and said she should lie and say she was 17, because 21 was too old to start in his opinion.
Ick, ick, ick.
Chyron HR
Well, it sure is lucky for Hillary (“The worst major party candidate in history.” – NR) that someone coincidentally engineered an unrelenting, completely devastating attack on her opponent a month before the election.
schrodinger's cat
@Corner Stone: He is auditioning to be the Mark Shields of Balloon Juice, tone police for the Democrats.
Keith G
@Corner Stone: Resorting to name calling, and inaccurrate to boot….Good show, you!
@schrodinger’s cat: Oh god…and you too.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Remember during the first Bush presidency when his idiot elder son was asked what he and his father talk about when they’re alone, and the aging and married wastrel grinned and said, “Pussy!”
sigaba
@The Thin Black Duke:
Regrettably Trump is not kept on the Republican ticket by Proctor & Gamble, Unilever and Target Corporation. His dynamic is perfectly reversed, he’s the Republicans most important sponsor, it’s they who cannot afford to alienate HIS “customers.”
schrodinger's cat
@Cacti: Has someone checked the immigration records of the Russki and East European models at the Trump agency?
scav
The Greatest Superpower has now become the Greatest Super-Reality-Show on Earth. Mission Trump accomplished. LOOK at the Nation’s Overnight Ratings!
We may have lost the crucial MRA vote for a decade now.
schrodinger's cat
@scav: Reality TV election, with MSM’s blessings. They have been Trumps enablers since the very beginning.
gf120581
@Keith G: Any GOPer who goes on about replacing Trump as the nominee is about as ludicrous as those who thought they could dump Trump at the convention. It’s October. The ballots are printed. Early voting has already started or is about to start in a lot of states. Replacing a candidate at this rate is damn near impossible, especially on a national stage.
jl
@scav: If death cage WWE style matches are a regular part of presidential campaign, will draw younger contestants. One hoped for something more sensible, say, strong man competition tire flipping and stone throwing, but we are past that now. No way to go back.
Corner Stone
@Keith G: I’ll cop to the name calling, which I am fine with. But I can not be inaccurate in simply asking you what point you’re trying to make with that comment?
hilts
@MomSense: @the Conster, la Citoyenne:
I wish David Farenthold and Kurt Eichenwald could be cloned. We need many more journalists like them.
dmsilev
@Keith G:
(removing Trump from the ballot). Well, there are two, actually. Trump could agree to withdraw; his name would still be on the ballot, but the RNC could designate a replacement (Pence, presumably). Option 2, Trump could …suffer an accident.
Keith G
@Mnemosyne: I am not comparing. Nor do I care. It’s just that someone else mentioned Bill’s issues and there is a bit of interesting history there, but as I said it does not matter except as trivia.
Corner Stone
Chris Hayes has to be dying trying to get ready to open his show tonight with this disgusting shit.
schrodinger's cat
@dmsilev: Umbrella or radioactive tea?
MochaDem
In the 1980’s I worked in Manhattan and had a job where i oversaw work on construction sites in high rises. I think I have worked in all the Trump properties, and all the major buildings. It was common for the tradesmen to bring in boom boxes and everyone listened to Howard Stern and talked about the show endlessly into the afternoon. Politico has a decent article about that time up on their site now. Not only was it common to hear language like that, most men deeply pondered and considered women in this way. They were kind of proud of it. Harassment when you walked the street, when you went in the office, the language, the grabbing simply was not unusual. That’s why I believed Anita Hill immediately, I heard that talk verbatim everyday. Not at all surprised Trump speaks this way, just amazing that he never grew out of it. He turned it into a career. Although there are still challenges for women in the workplace I cannot believe how different it is today.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@gf120581: and even then… the people supporting Trump aren’t looking to vote for their kids’ slow-witted Sunday school teacher. Since all counterfactuals is bunk, we can safely predict that if the RNC did this, Trump would beat Pence on write-in votes alone.
Good god, Tweety is obsessed with the fact that Pence has been asking people to pray for Trump. He’s mentioned it at least five times as if it has some deep meaning. If he isn’t also asking them to think about him, does it count?
Corner Stone
As Chris Hayes just reminded us, this is a candidate who told all his followers, including “evangelicals” to find an adult sex tape and check it out.
redshirt
@schrodinger’s cat:
My you’re so witty!
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Chyron HR:
Like someone on twitter said, the October Surprise is that every day in October will have a surprise. I mean, even Erick Erickson is wondering where all the other 16 dwarf oppo teams were, with all this stuff that’s been sitting out there for 30 years – Howard Stern shows, interviews with all kinds of NY media, all the people he’s stiffed and cheated. The Clintons know how oppo works, and thank god it’s Clinton against Trump, and that it isn’t up to Bernie Sanders coordinating Trump’s oppo research to save the Republic.
Corner Stone
Paul Ryan! The Peoples Champion!
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith G: Did Bill say anything worse than confessing to multiple sexual assaults? I have to say that I tend to doubt it.
Keith G
@dmsilev:
The accident aside, aren’t the ballots formalized (a state issue and not a RNC issue)? Remember the great Micheal Bloomberg brushfire? One of his issues was that time was running out to get his name on the ballots and that was in June. We are one week into Oct and early voting is about to begin. A) Trump will not relent. B) there is no way to remove him as the nominee. C) The ballots are AFAIK in cement. It is Trump.
Corner Stone
Woah, woah, woah. Trying to say Pence is a decent man compared to Trump is fucking hogwash bullshit! Don’t try it on, sister.
Keith G
@Omnes Omnibus: Do I have to engrave what I typed earlier???
I guess someone can look it up.
Corner Stone
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Never Trumper Rick Wilson says he could drop one of these stories every day during October. And that HRC has way more oppo than he has. So stay tuned. FWIW
muddy
@Chyron HR: The October No Surprise.
Kathleen
@sigaba: I read a tweet a couple of days ago that stated many prominent people in the media are afraid to make Trump mad. I am not familiar with the woman who tweeted that so I don’t know if she herself is a journalist or in what capacity she got that information. But it would not surprise me in the least.
schrodinger's cat
@Keith G: Bill is not running for office, so I don’t see how it is relevant.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: Linda Chavez? Whose grift was so petty she was exiled from the TV for almost twenty years? Can’t believe Hayes has her on.
ThresherK
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Billy Crystal, IIRC once in an Oscarcast, described Billy Bush as “The most annoying person in show biz”.
When I heard that I bust my gut laughing. I didn’t even know Billy Bush was related to Those Bushes; I simply can’t stand him on his own.
gf120581
@Keith G: Right. It can’t be done. And the base is still sticking with Trump. They try to shove him out, they will go into full blown angry mob with pitchforks and torches mode.
Apparently since Reince Priebus’s statement, there’s been a flood of comments from Republicans in tough reelection fights condemning Trump, followed by nothing. As Josh Marshall pointed out, that smells of a hasty but coordinated strategy. Bluntly speaking, “Condemn him, then go to ground.”
Question is, what will Paul Ryan do tomorrow? Or Scott Walker for that matter? (Ron Johnson is fucked anyway, so what does he have to lose?)
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith G: If you didn’t think it was germane, why bring it up?
Kathleen
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Indeed they are. I wonder how the media are covering the threats to their fellow journalists? Oh, wait. Too many in the broadcast media are not real journalists and so I’m sure they don’t want to offend their coveted white domestic terrorist demographic.
Mothra
Has Trump apologized to the woman yet?
I don’t know who this is, but she recognized herself, and so did her husband and her family and friends.
She is the person who needs an apology. Not me.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yes, her. She was stout against Trump but tried her best to sell Pence as competent and qualified to be top of ticket and president.
Fuck that BS.
redshirt
Serious question re: Benghazi – can the SoS command military forces? Can she order them to “stand down”, as the Pukes contend?
jl
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Actually, a lot of the oppo research was just looking at stuff that was public and known, if half forgotten. Best example is foreign policy. Trump has been dementedly talking about foreign policy like its a protection racket for years, on talk shows, when he was trying out in politics as a conservative Democrat. Trump’s offhand statement that he hadn’t given it much thought but invading Iraq sounds like a good idea: Howard Stern show. He enthusiastically advocated intervention in Syria and said Obama was a dummy for waiting so long on some kind of ‘ask The Donald Feature’ on social media. His enthusiastic endorsement of quick Iraq withdrawal: public interview.
Opposition ‘research’ has never been so easy, and so needed, and so neglected by his goofy GOP opponents or the media during the primaries.
Cacti
What Donald described liking to do to women is a class A misdemeanor under New York Law:
Gin & Tonic
@redshirt: No.
mike in dc
So…failed businessman, tax evader, grifting con artist, cheapskate who stiffs contractors, serial adulterer and possibly sexual predator, short fingered vulgarian, short attention span policy ignoramus, malignant narcissist, pathological liar, racist, sexist, misogynist, xenophobe, islamophobe and thin-skinned and vindictive.
Trump supporter: “So what are his bad points?”
cynthia ackerman
It’s good to be the King.
sigaba
@Keith G:
You’re voting for pledged electors, not a President. The electors are under the instructions of the state party, the party can theoretically tell the electors to vote for someone else but if everyone is still alive and contesting the election in December, the electors pretty much have to vote their pledge.
In the case of some kind of bizarre irregularity, though, this is where the wiggle room is. Some states make it a crime for an elector to vote against their nominal pledge but I doubt it’d be enforced on a Trump elector if Trump pulled out of his own accord and nominated his replacement, or a candidate had some sort of incapacitating accident.
I do know this: in the 2002 Minnesota senate race, Paul Wellstone died after the ballots had been printed, and he was on the ballot that election, though it was understood that people were voting for Walter Mondale, who had succeeded Wellstone in the campaign. I don’t know if Mondale’s victory would have been de jure by the election, or if Wellstone would have won and there was a legislative agreement to appoint Mondale to his term. In any event Mondale lost to Norm Phuquing Coleman.
Gin & Tonic
Kellyanne Conway’s Twitter account is silent today. I wonder why.
Corner Stone
“Do you like movies about gladiators?”
burnspbesq
Heh. Indeedy.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Kathleen:
All it takes is one person to stand up to the bully, and guess who that was? Oh yeah, the woman. And, oh yeah – the first black president has her back. Now the dam is breaking, and all the cowards and victims are coming forward. IN OCTOBER.
Mothra
@Corner Stone: She is a GIRL! It is completely different! Trump is a STUD and STAR; and he is a MAN! He can be overweight and old and crude and disloyal! She can be fridgid or a slut. One or the other BITCH! Face the consequences of your choice to be born into this world as a female!!!!!!!!
japa21
@Keith G: And if, for any reason, Trump was to step down, roughly 27% of voters (or far better than 50% of Republicans) would just stay away from the ballot box on election day.
lamh36
Mothra
@Gin & Tonic: ??????????
lamh36
Donald Trump – “GRAB THEM BY THE P&^%Y”
Donald Trump is a sexual predator…the worst kind… a rich one who feels he can get away with just bout anything and his ‘SUPPORTERS” will support him none the less…it’s up to the rest of us to make sure it DOESN’T happen
debbie
@jl:
I had a boss who talked like that. He especially liked talking like that when other people were around. I believe he did it because he knew it would make me blush. I used to get so angry. I eventually used the same kind of language back at him and found that kind of talk shut him up real quick.
Keith G
@schrodinger’s cat:
.
Not relevant. Exactly. And I typed that twice…well actually once and copied it. (and it looks like I am going to copy it again, below.)
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh dear. Because it happened. Gene mentioned the WJC issue and I added a bit of context….because it is a thing that happened and correctly acknowledging the currents of history is not a bad thing… even if, as I typed: “Luckily that does not matter since Bill is not running for office.”
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: The SoS is not in the military chain of command.
redshirt
@japa21: If Trump stands down, then it’s Alan Keyes time. And he too would get about 35% of the vote.
Jeffro
BREAKING NEWS: my RW dad – you know, the one y’all have heard about endlessly? – just weighed in and said he’s not voting for president, period. This is a guy who got up early to see what Wikileaks had last week, who believed that the FBI was going to indict Hillz any day now, and who has justified every single thing from the Khans to Machado to Pence-lying-is-fine/Kaine-was annoying. But this stuff is the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I’m going to give him a day and remind him that a non-vote is better than voting for Trump…a write-in for a principled conservative is better…a write-in and a letter to editor about what broke the ‘Trump fever’ is better still…and of course, the only way to guarantee he’s done all he can is to vote Clinton.
WereBear
And to think it’s not even my birthday.
Gin & Tonic
The amusing thing about this story is that somebody at NBC, which was reportedly working on a story about this tape, leaked the tape to Fahrenthold, who scooped them. The recriminations inside NBC will be delightful.
Cacti
One week after explaining why he was voting Trump, Jon Huntsman (R-bothsidesdoit) is saying Trump should drop out of the race.
All of the offensive crap Trump said prior to today was okay I guess.
sigaba
@Jeffro: To be honest I think not voting is really, really bad, even worse than voting for Trump. If he really thinks Donald Trump is the only dude that he could possibly stand, he should vote for Trump and live with his shame, failing that vote for Jill Stein or Jesus Christ or whoever else.
But not voting just adds another name to the “Not My Fault” army.
Corner Stone
I think the larger question coming out of today’s tape revelations – will Sad Ted Cruz continue to phone bank for the Trump/Pence ticket?
HAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: That’s what I thought. So the Repukes main attack on Hillary re: Benghazi should be obviously false to anyone with an idea how things work, yes?
gf120581
@Cacti: It’s pretty amazing that Mitt Romney has shown more integrity and common decency in always opposing Trump while Huntsman actually supported him.
Roger Moore
@Turgidson:
So he’s basically in Cosby territory.
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith G: I see that getting multiple comments on something you wrote is making you cranky, but you do realize that people generally reply to someone right after reading the comment, not after waiting a couple of hours to see if anyone else was going to make a similar comment, right?
debbie
@hilts:
Someone needs to track down Mike and charge him with assault.
Dog Dawg Damn
We’ve been having a dance party intermittently all afternoon while building a chicken coop in the backyard.
No way Trump recovers from this, and, as many well-informed sources on Twitter claim:
THERE IS MORE TO COME.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt:
Yes.
jl
@debbie: I have to deal with some people like that too. They like to make various shows, public and private, that they can control people in various ways. It varies from pathetic (knew a bigshot who would pick his nose and eat his boogers in meetings, and fart, because he could do it and people had to put up with it dammit), to things like harassment, and in Trumps case, bragging about physical assault, and sadly evidence that they are not just brags. Point is that Trump’s talk is not normal locker room bragging. People who talk and act like this are disliked. No in-group status is conferred or ‘good jokey times for all’ is produced, contrary to the BS wingnut and Trump hacks weak defenses.
People who talk and act like this are assholes and 99 percent of the population does not like them. At all.
Keith G
@Omnes Omnibus: Not cranky. Exasperated, maybe. And your other point is true.
sigaba
@Roger Moore:
As JMM pointed out a few hours ago, there are at least two women out there who have accused Donnie of rape, the comparison is not farfetched.
The Republican Party nominated a sexual predator to be President of the United States.
Southern Beale
Erin Burnett tonight on CNN told the story of when Trump came on to a friend of her in 2010. This is who he is.
Have to think more people will come forward now.
Corner Stone
This Central Park Five bullshit. How fucking horrible.
Gin & Tonic
@jl:
I’m sorry, but that is just false. People do not “have to put up with” boorish/disgusting behavior in the workplace. There is always an option.
In four decades of working I had one supervisor who raised his voice to me one time. I walked out of his office and said “I’ll return when you’ve calmed down.” This was when I was young, too. If everybody walked out of the room when your asshole bigshot farted he wouldn’t do it again.
Roger Moore
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
ISTR a front pager here saying when he came out for Clinton over Sanders that he wanted her because she was willing to play dirty to win. I guess she’s kept enough in reserve to make October really, really ugly for Trump- admittedly easy because he’s given her so much ammunition.
debbie
@jl:
Absolutely. And they need to be shamed out of existence.
crawdad
http://www.gq.com/story/kennedy-ted-senator-profile?printable=true
Betty Cracker
@Dog Dawg Damn: What kind of chickens are you getting? ?
Keith G
@Southern Beale: Roger Ailes redux.
Corner Stone
@sigaba:
Jeffro
@sigaba:
I hear ya, but two things:
1) This was a locked-in Trump vote, and it’s not now. Politics is the art of the possible, not the magical. =)
2) Here was my advice back (you guys are not gonna like some of this, but oh well): “Not voting for one particular office is principled. Writing in a conservative that you DO respect is principled and sends a message. Writing in a conservative that you respect AND writing to the local paper (much less the RNC) about why you did it is tremendous, and might even be a big step in helping the GOP get its bearings. And…while it’s probably a step too far…voting for Clinton helps send Trump’s chances down to 0% where they belong. So, there are options…”
MomSense
@Southern Beale:
Why did she wait until now to reveal this?
Mandalay
@jl:
He did indeed. He also enthusiastically advocated staying out of Syria, and leaving it to the Russians to sort out. He also advocated forming a partnership with Russia in Syria. He also proposed leaving the problem with other countries in the Middle East to resolve.
Trump has offered so many different solutions for Syria that he has some chance of retrospectively being proven correct.
Corner Stone
@Gin & Tonic: I like the sentiment, but this simply is not true for a huge chunk of people working today. Much less some people working 15 or twenty+ years ago.
Jeffro
@Corner Stone:
omg I know, right? Has there ever been a more potent combination of craven political calculations and bad timing?
debbie
@Corner Stone:
It wasn’t just Trump. It was every white man with a mic pushed in front of him. Mayor Ed Koch called them monsters.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: I don’t think she is playing dirty, but she is willing to play hardball.
hueyplong
@Jeffro: Down ballot Democrats will thank you to encourage him to register his disgust by stay.ing home on election day.
MomSense
@Dog Dawg Damn:
I went to the post office last week and heard lots of peeping. Apparently they had received a shipment of chicks and were waiting for the farmer to pick them up. You know you live in a rural town when you hear chicks at the post office.
Jeffro
@gf120581:
Oh so that’s why hell froze over…I liked Romney’s AND Jeb!’s tweets just a bit ago, didn’t even think of the consequences…
Kathleen
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: @WereBear: Mine was Monday but I’m still celebrating and yes, for me this is a wonderful present.
sigaba
@Jeffro:
Let me put it this way, I’m glad he’s not voting for Trump, but dog help us if we win this way as a general rule.
Corner Stone
@MomSense:
Not sure if it is remembered here, but a few years ago when Erin Burnett was with CNBC she did market recaps on Tweety’s MSNBC show a few times and he went out of his way to gush how beautiful she was, how attractive she was, etc.
It was really very uncomfortable to watch and you could tell she was not quite sure how to handle it live on air.
I can only imagine she, and others, have had this kind of thing happen a bazrilian times over the last few years, in the professional work place.
jl
@Mandalay: If you have links of Trump incoherently lying about Syria (edit.. oopps I meant Libya) from back before the intervention, let me know. IIRC, before the fact, he was saying that we should intervene, and Obama was a dummy for not having done so already.
Hey, just like Obama was a dummy and sadly not up to the job (I do wonder why Trump thought that) for not getting out of Iraq earlier.
But you are correct, he has taken every possible position on Syria. Problem there is that mental incapacity becomes a defense against lying. But… we are probably rigged and unfair for bringing up history of BS Trump said. Very unfair. Not nice, not nice to him at all.
Edit: Dammitall. I think maybe you or I, or both have Trump BS on Syria and Libya mixed up. So many Trump lies about his previous positions, it is easy to get them mixed up.
Jeffro
@hueyplong:
Nah, let him vote down ballot…he’s in a deep blue state and county…no worries!
Gin & Tonic
@Thing Three: I have this feeling you might be trying to refer to Huma Abedin, who has never taken on her now-estranged husband’s surname. Jeez, I’m so old I can remember when the trolls here had half a brain. You need to go back to school if you want to continue on here.
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: Deleted.
Jeffro
@sigaba:
I hear you, but every time someone this far right skips voting (even if it’s just for one office), we win. BELIEVE ME. lol
If this much is going right for our side, and/or things are going this wrong for theirs, we are heading for 1964 territory…
Princess (now General) Leia
Still think that this was planned by the GOP after seeing a positive reaction to Pence. That is who they want at the top of the ticket. And they are trying to bounce Trump since it is the only way to win.
Corner Stone
@debbie: Agreed. Fucking shameful. But right now only Trump is running for president and is the one saying they are still guilty no matter what.
That period of our shameful society could use some relitigating but god damn if we couldn’t also use some focus on the here and now as well.
Dog Dawg Damn
@Betty Cracker: Haven’t decided just yet. Candidates include: Plymouth Rock, Buff Orfington, and Australorp.
We want 1) Friendly (to humans) 2) cold-weather hardy and 3) LOTSA eggs!
Any experience that would be helpful?
scav
@Roger Moore: Wasn’t there an early video where Obama said something about always giving people a chance etc etc but then when punched he punched back twice as hard (or similar)? That could be quite the combination of teams. Coolness, grace, timing and the bookworm digging to get all all the goodies.
Roger Moore
@redshirt:
And if it weren’t transparently false, it should have been clear that it’s false when the Republican witch hunt committees all agreed that it was false. Even Trey “Draco Malfoy” Gowdy agreed it was BS.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: it came up earlier, and I mentioned that Trump did something very similar, public verbal molestation, to Katy Tur at one of his rallies.
ETA: IIRC, the Erin Burnett thing came up in a long WaPo interview with Tweety and Mrs Tweety, back when he was encouraging rumors that he was going to move back to PA and run for Senate. He did not take it well
Jeffro
Kirk already calling for Trump to drop out btw…
Omnes Omnibus
@Thing Three: Huh?
@Princess (now General) Leia: Pence cannot beat HRC.
jl
@Mandalay:
Sorry, my bad, I went back to check. I meant Libya in my first comment. I meant to type ‘He enthusiastically advocated intervention in Libya and said Obama was a dummy for waiting so long on some kind of ‘ask The Donald Feature’ on social media. His enthusiastic endorsement of quick Iraq withdrawal: public interview.’
hovercraft
Anna Navarro (GOP consultant) called him a pig, a sexist, and a misogynist. A sexual predator. The republican party has to disavow him tonight. No republican can support a man like this.
nonynony
@Princess (now General) Leia: No,that won’t work. Pence would be dead in the water with the 40% of GOP voters who want Trump.
If Trump has a “heart attack” and kicks off in the next few weeks, THAT’S the work of the GOP trying to replace Trump.
Corner Stone
@Princess (now General) Leia: I, for one, hope and pray they do their damndest to try and put Pence on the top of the ticket prior to 11/8.
I will dance naked through the streets and randomly grab the junk of every man, woman or other adult individual that is interested in some interaction. For days on end. Gratis, baby!
debbie
@MomSense:
I would have loved hearing those cheeps!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jeffro: only because he’s already in trouble in a very blue state
Lizzy L
So Donald Trump is [further] exposed today as a rich, entitled, racist, narcissistic pig. Big woo. None of this is especially surprising; the only surprise is that it is being made public. I expect the leadership, such as it is, of the Republican party to further pull away from Trump. Mike Pence must be paralyzed; he is so screwed. No matter what, he comes out of this looking like a hypocrite or a complete fool. I am not sure his evangelical base will forgive him. A number of people have suggested that there is more to come. I hope so. I phone banked for Hillary today, calling Illinois, and spoke to one woman in her 60s who was truly undecided. She was praying about it, she told me. I hope, when she sees/reads today’s stories, the story about the CP5, the story about conversation with Billy Bush, she will at least make the decision not to vote for Trump. I suspect there are more people out there like her, still struggling with the decision. Anything that moves them away from Trump is good.
redshirt
@nonynony: Or just a health scare that forces him, reluctantly, to step down.
Make way for the Pencementum!
gf120581
@Jeffro: (A) He unendorsed Trump long ago, so Donald won’t care what he thinks and (B) he’s doomed in his race no matter who the nominee is.
Roger Moore
@sigaba:
I didn’t mean it to be farfetched; I meant that they’re both sexual predators who have openly talked about their technique and expected to be let off the hook because they’re so famous.
NickM
In the 1980s, at a summer job I had a crude boss – a lawyer – who recommended misdirection as a strategy and used this analogy: “It’s like when you’re on a date – make her think you’re going for her tits, and then go straight for the snatch.” Even at the time it was so crude and weird we made fun of him behind his back all the time and it stuck with me all these years. Trump seems about as bad – meaning in the worst .1% of people I’ve ever encountered.
Princess (now General) Leia
@nonynony: sure is a moral dilemma for them, isn’t it?
Major Major Major Major
@Gin & Tonic: Thing Three is fucking weak sauce, or possibly just mentally ill. They’ve all been phoning it in this week.
Another Scott
@PPCLI: Yup. “I’m sorry if anyone was offended” and it’s variations isn’t an apology. It’s a non-apology apology.
Cheers,
Scott.
PPCLI
@gf120581:
Maybe if Mitt had shown a bit of integrity when he was running for president and Trump endorsed him, I’d have some respect for him. Instead, Romney gave a simpering speech about how great Trump was. Also, Romney had a chance to state forthrightly that calling into question Obama’s birthplace and citizenship was disgraceful and racist, instead of getting cute with the “I don’t question his birthplace, it’s his foreign ideas that bother me” and “Obama has a very strange and in some respects foreign to the American experience type of philosophy.” and “Nobody has ever asked to see my birth certificate – I was born right over there” [Not exact quotes, just approximate].
Romney presumably saw Trump for what he was, and he figured he could use Trump’s sleazy birtherism and his donations and his attention, while pretending not to go along with the worst of it.
Now that Romney has nothing to lose from opposing Trump, and nothing to gain from tapping into Trump-ism, he is suddenly shocked, shocked that this disagreeable man is getting an audience.
nonynony
@redshirt: Also wouldn’t work because Trump would be admitting weakness.
There is no way he willingly drops out while he’s alive and kicking.
redshirt
@Major Major Major Major: Right? I actually miss Brinks Truck. He tried at least.
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: hey, it beats him NOT calling for Trump to drop out…I’ll take it!
scottinnj
There is something delightful in that it will be the Bush Family that might bring Trump down (George W is Billy Bush’s cousin).
Karma’s a bitch.
redshirt
@nonynony: Agreed, but it’s the only way Trump steps down. Which ain’t gonna happen.
Dog Dawg Damn
People still thinking Trump is gonna drop-out, just don’t know Donald Trump.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@nonynony:
Or the ex-KGBers Putin has put on the job.
Seriously, with Putin’s involvement and knowing some of the weird crap some of those KGB types have pulled in the past, I am expecting the election to get very much weirder before November 9. A little plutonium in somebody’s cheerios perhaps?
nonynony
@Major Major Major Major: Think about how awful and stupid you need to be to troll for Trump for free. While he’s losing – so you can’t even get a good “sucks on this libs” zinger in to make you feel better about your sad, wasted life. Those are the trolls we’ve been getting here lately.
lamh36
Lizzy L
Sam Wang: “Watch the data, not the drama.” Let’s see what the data tells us next Thursday — 4 days after the debate.
lamh36
@AFJacobs
.@KellyAyotte “does not withdraw her support for GOP nominee.” #nhpolitics #Nhsen
6:55 PM – 7 Oct 2016
scottinnj
@nonynony: Trump will be Samson – if he’s going down he’s going to bring the whole GOP down with him.
Roger Moore
@MomSense:
For the same reason people always do: they’re some mix of scared of the consequences and embarrassed because they have been taught that it’s somehow their fault. It takes genuine bravery to be the first person to come forward and accuse a famous, powerful person of wrongdoing. Once the first person comes forward and isn’t destroyed for it, it’s much easier for other people to follow them.
MomSense
@debbie:
It was such a happy sound!
scottinnj
Also – remember when Donald complained that his mike wasn’t working? Looks like the universe has a sense of humor.
hovercraft
Alright folks I’m going in, I’m watching the Kelly File.
Okay I don’t know if I can stay long, First headline, Donald’s stunning comments. But the Clinton campaign is also playing defense from the release of her Wall Street speeches that she’s been refusing to release for months, and now we know why. But first we must go to Matthew. So it’s going to be a both sides tale to the FOX audience.
Corner Stone
@lamh36: This is such a gorgeous election. Mark Kirk in IL is scared enough to publicly denounce Trump. But Ayotte in NH is not, just quite yet.
If we see Paul Ryan and Trump on the same stage tomorrow, or not, we will see everything we need to know about the next four years.
Ha!
Corner Stone
@hovercraft: She’s doing it! Oh my word!
gf120581
@lamh36: Did she follow up that tweet by asking if anyone was hiring come January?
Seriously, Ayotte may be in the worst situation of any Republican right now. Of course this had to drop mere days after she called Trump a role model for children.
p.a.
@scottinnj: crossing fingers and toes
JosieJ (not Josie)
@gf120581: Romney should seriously STFU. He was happy enough to grovel for Trump’s endorsement in ’12; he gets no credit from me for “integrity” now that he’s got no skin in the game.
As far as when our long national nightmare is over, that will be on Election Day, when Clinton beats Trump like a rug over a clothesline. In the meantime, his Republican backers will harrumph over his crude language, then hunker down and hope something comes along quickly to change the subject like, say, another debate debacle.
Corner Stone
@hovercraft:
Does HRC say she will grab them by the puzzy if they pay her speaking fee?
gf120581
@hovercraft: That’s how you know this is catastrophic for the GOP. “Both sides do it” is the fallback position for Fox News whenever a damaging scandal breaks.
Mary G
Billy’s taking a lot of heat himself with people yelling at him on FB and the Today Show site.
Billy has apologized better than Trump, though.
lamh36
ugh…Al Roker was right…fuq you Billy Bush!!!
Has anyone else seen this reporting?
Prescott Cactus
@sigaba: Doug Rader called it”winning ugly” in 1983.
Roger Moore
@Lizzy L:
There is a big practical difference between “I bet Trump is a sexual predator” and “Here’s a tape of Trump talking about being a sexual predator”.
Betty Cracker
@Dog Dawg Damn: We have Australorps and Golden Comets — great laying hens and friendly. We’re in FL, so we looked for heat tolerant. Don’t know how they fare in the cold.
Major Major Major Major
@Lizzy L: false dichotomy, I can do both!
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: He does say Nancy early in the video.
Corner Stone
Holy shit! Ryan pulling from the Trump event tomorrow?!?
lamh36
Welp… Trump has been “disinvited” from the Wisconsin rally tomorrow with Paul Ryan…
@teddyschleifer
TRUMP disinvited.
Another Scott
@Fair Economist: I voted October 1 and could have voted the week before that. They’re stuck with Trump.
Cheers,
Scott.
jl
@Corner Stone: Maybe HRC’s screaming ‘Bernie’s going to cut you fucking hairy balls off right at your money. Bernie is into that shit! Believe me!’
p.a.
@jl: “I’ll only take one. Bern will take both!”
hovercraft
@JosieJ (not Josie):
Exactly, he built this, just like John McCain built this, all these assholes who let their base turn into a pack of rabid dogs and said and did nothing deserve what they’re getting now. I hope they all go down in flames with him.
Federalist lady on Kelly File says no one should be surprised by this as it was in his books and on Howard Stern, not as graphic, but basically the same attitude, so she’s not sure why it’s such a big story now.
Corner Stone
@jl: “Owww! My Balls!”
/Old Internet
hilts
@Southern Beale: @MomSense: @Roger Moore:
This is the same Erin Burnett who visited Zuccotti Park and ridiculed members of Occupy Wall Street. She’s a useless tool.
schrodinger's cat
@Dog Dawg Damn: My neighbor has huge chickens, some of them are the size of small cats. I have no idea what type they are, though. I call them Yankee chickens. Their eggs are pretty tasty too.
debbie
@lamh36:
I just listened to it. Wasn’t Billy also being impolite?
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
Corey Lewandowski earlier on CNN did say that maybe Hillary did make similar comments to Goldman Sachs.
Jeffro
I think we need a playlist to go with all this delicious popcorn and commentary…
“Free Fallin” by Tom Petty, maybe?
gf120581
@lamh36: I guess Ryan realized any future prospects he has die the second he gets on state with Trump.
Any fantasies about Trump being replaced are just that, fantasies, but I would expect Trump to be cut lose a la Bob Dole in 1996. Expect a lot of Republicans trying to save themselves by running as a check on Hillary.
Lizzy L
@Major Major Major Major: ?? sorry, you need to unpack this. I’m celebrating with a beer and my brain cells are occupied with alcohol.
@Roger Moore: Yes. I’m hoping for more. More tapes seems unlikely; more women speaking up about ugly behavior — possible. Very, very possible. Trump is less scary when he’s LOSING.
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie: To me, it seemed like he was laughing and egging on Trump. He does not come out of it well in my eyes.
Jeffro
@lamh36: holy cow…Ryan vs Pence in 2020…who can serve the Koch Brothers better?
hovercraft
My Dog even Howie Kurtz is saying that bringing up Bill Clinton, is deflection and is not going to fly.
Megan goes to break teasing stunning revelations about the wikileaks Clinton release.
Lizzy L
@hovercraft: “Similar comments?” WTF does that even mean?
Major Major Major Major
@Lizzy L: I can watch the data AND the drama ?
Steve in the ATL
So what if they’re stuck with Trump? Pence is fucking horrible but no one has had a reason to air his dirty laundry yet. He’s so bad that he couldn’t get reelected in freaking Indiana!
Gin & Tonic
One of the bright sides to this audio release is it finally forced the NYT to print the word “fuck.”
Steve in the ATL
@Gin & Tonic: a word so rarely used in New York!
scottinnj
@Jeffro: not a song but a commercial –
The GOP needs LIFEALERT – “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQlpDiXPZHQ
raven
Ryan was “sickened”.
Corner Stone
@Lizzy L:
IMO, I think we are about to breach The Cosby Zone.
All those women who were victimized/traumatized but scared to death to challenge MR Pudding Pop. I think we may see an avalanche now, or at the very least a re-litigating of all th women he abused/mistreated over the years.
The old man has no impulse control, and has not for 70 years. There are more.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: Get ready for TRUMP SMASH!
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
He had to, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump doesn’t go. It’s a big deal GOP event and all of them are supposed to be there, Walker, Rinse and the rest, none of them can afford to be seen on the stage with him or even before him.
Davebo
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m pretty sure the folks at NBC are considering their options now regarding Bush.
Corner Stone
Megyn Kelly is really pretty (ahem..coughs), but she is a very bad, no good TV host.
Anoniminous
Today has been so strange I keep expecting some other shoe to drop.
Mary G
Since the topic is “assholes,” I feel I’m qualified to post that we are doing it, even in my once-bright-red district:
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s depressing to know that that kind of attitude isn’t dying out with old men.
Botsplainer
@lamh36:
I’m a longtime member of the boor club. Have made my share of inappropriate drunk ass comments, and yes, I enjoy talking flirt talk with married women these days because reasons – but there is always mutuality.
That said, I’d never press myself on somebody. It just isn’t done and it isn’t right.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mary G: wow
and
Wow.
ETA: Damn, footage of Pence stiffing reporters asking about Trump, “How can you ignore this question?”, does not make Pence look good. he’s lucky the audio’s not good.
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie: His job was/is being a toady to famous people.
lamh36
Profiles in courage from John McCain…smh..
Hasn’t he been clinging for his life by holding onto Trump?
@HallieJackson
NEW: ominous-sounding statement from @SenJohnMcCain: Trump “alone should suffer the consequences” –>
debbie
@Mary G:
Oh, sweet justice should Issa lose!
trollhattan
@Jeffro:
Methinks you’ve described the path of a hellofa lot of wingers Nov 8–too crestfallen/demoralized/unmotivated to vote.
Pity
Mandalay
@Jeffro:
Well Jeb obviously ddn’t, because he seemed to forget that the other lickspittle misogynist on the recording was his cousin.
While Jeb was piously lecturing the world about being “the grandfather of two precious girls” his cousin was giggling like a schollboy at the notion of Trump grabbing p***y.
Jeb’s a spineless wanker, and a hypocrite. If he’s so outraged he should be sorting out his own fucked up family instead of sending out insipid tweets.
Corner Stone
“And when you’re a star, you can do any of that. You can do anything you want.”
raven
Trump bailed on Wisconsin.
Percysowner
MSNBC just announced that Trump will not be going to Wisconsin tomorrow.
So what happens if Trump pulls out? I assume they go with Pence. Can Clinton pivot quickly enough? Or will it demoralize the Republicans? I’m sure the Clinton campaign is at least drawing up plans to go against Pence, just in case.
Also I just saw clip of Pence refusing to discuss the tape. Reporters demanding how he can not respond to the tape.
lamh36
@NerdyWonka
Flashback to when Al Roker tried to warn us that Billy Bush is trash.
Corner Stone
@Botsplainer:
You sure about that, bucko?
Lizzy L
@Major Major Major Major: Ah, thank you. I agree, the drama is awesome. Hence the beer…
@Steve in the ATL: Exactly. Pence is horrible;the folks in Indiana were about to dump him, he’s a stupid Christianist m-f, he’s loathsome. They’re not putting him at the front of the ticket even if Trump were to withdraw, which I think he isn’t going to do no matter what happens. But I’m betting Ryan pulls out of that event in Wisconsin.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: so much in that tape, and everything pales next to the supposed hilarity of sexual assault, but it does say something that this odd little man, alleged billionaire and tax-accountancy genius, wants to be a “star”
ETA:
I cannot begin to imagine that the Ego that Ate The Republican Party is going to go quietly off into the sunset. I’ve been wrong before.
Dog Dawg Damn
@Percysowner: No chance in hell he drops out. McCain and Huntsman are abandoning him. Preibus is abandonment-curious. More likely scenario — let him fend for his dumb self.
lamh36
Doing debate prep WITH Reince, Christie and jeff Sessions…smh
Mandalay
@lamh36:
A bit rich coming from someone who called his wife a cunt in front of three journalists.
Matt McIrvin
@jl:
I heard some similar things in college. From one guy in particular, some of it reported secondhand. For “because he is rich and famous” substitute “because he is on the football team”.
Jeffro
@lamh36: isn’t it amazing watching history being made ?
They were going to have to reckon with this monster at some point …
lamh36
@NickKristof
We’re posting my Sunday column early: It recounts how Trump forced himself on a young woman–in Ivanka’s bedroom
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Thank you in advance, I don’t wanna dance…
My sincerest apologies.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Thing Three:
Yes, that’s an electoral winner. Oh, and by the way – we’re coming for your patriarchy and your white supremacy.
Iowa Old Lady
@lamh36: Do you think this rules out his raising Bill Clinton’s sexual behavior? I would think so, but with Trump, you never know.
jl
@Gin & Tonic: They could print ‘fuck’, but they couldn’t print ‘pussy’? I read that they wouldn’t print the ‘P’ word, even with strategically placed pasties… er.. I meant asterisks. If so the NYT is weirdly and inconsistently prissy, dorked, and out-of-it. But, we all knew that already.
hovercraft
The scandalous stuff from wikileaks, Hillary saying that Wall Street is best positioned to help reform Wall St., she says she’s going to need big donations from NY, including Wall St., says she was raised middle class, but is now far removed from that life now. Apparently this would have been damming during the the primary. She supposedly says Bernies supporters buckets of losers, and she calls for a free and open common market. And acknowledges that people are trying to hack the State Dept. Calls for open borders and single payer.
A couple of things don’t make sense, she stopped giving speeches before Bernie entered the race, so why would she be trashing his supporters before he got in and was a threat to her. And how do you establish a common market across the world.
So now they are into conspiracy stuff, the Trump tape was leaked to cover for this. One panelist says that Hillary with Bill’s women is worse than Trump. The democratic token says it may be fake from wiki and Putin.
Now they are moving onto other shit, so I’m leaving this swamp.
BethanyAnne
Someone said that this race is beginning to remind them of Ann Richards vs. Clayton Williams.
Botsplainer
@jl:
Fuckin’ a.
We boors have fucking standards. Standard A is respect.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@lamh36:
NH is northern Massachusetts not Kansas – I think she’s toast.
trollhattan
@lamh36:
Isn’t the suit going forward to trial? Should make for some interesting copy.
hovercraft
@Lizzy L:
Wolf did not follow up, because he is stupid, but Corey was saying that while Donald’s comments were bad, we did not know if Hillary had made the same type of comments to Wall St. Now a normal person would say what the fuck, but it was Wolf, so he just said thanks and moved on.
NickM
@lamh36: Awful story. The woman he was serially assaulting on one occasion vomited as a defense mechanism.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@hovercraft:
all of their shit has Russian metadata all over it. Not credible at all.
piratedan
@Jeffro: maybe Once In a Lifetime by Talking Heads… same as it ever was….
Jim, Foolish Literalist
hilts
Jon Huntsman has finally grown a pair of testicles
Mandalay
@raven:
That’s the charitable way of looking at it. I suspect Ryan has a different view.
Keith P.
I watched Scottie Nell Hughes very angrily (at the media, not Trump) try to claim that this isn’t bad because at the time, Trump was a private citizen and hadn’t yet run for president. I was a bit surprised that nobody on the panel cared to mention that he ran to be the Reform Party nominee in 2000. So that excuse kind of falls flat with me (not to mention Corey Lewandowski trying to use “he speaks from the heart” as a positive…at least here, someone retorted “well, then he has a soulless, dark heart!”)
For more amusement, I kept flipping over to Fox (Hume and O’Reilly). Out of about 10-20 times of checking Fox News, every time, the chyron was about the Clinton email release. It was pretty amazing. I don’t think they realize that this story is too big for them to ignore, and it makes them look even less impartial than people already do. I mean, Trump field offices are flipping out. It’s a huge, gigantic shitburger, and Fox News is going all Guy Fieri on the thing, cramming it into their face and praising it for how juicy and flavorful it is.
EDIT: And Farenthold has to be a lock for a Pulitzer, right? He’s done more to bring down Trump that anyone AFAIK, and it ain’t even close.
Major Major Major Major
@lamh36: barf
Ruckus
@hovercraft:
Is this in Clinton’s own words/voice? Or is it supposedly transcripts? It’s not like they haven’t been against Clinton for some time and of course their leader is in exile due to rape charges.
IOW I’m skeptical that this is actually Hillary Clinton. Not that it’s not possible, but I can not imagine that none of this came out before if it’s word for word true.
Botsplainer
@hilts:
Not to mention Putin’s assassins.
weaselone
@hovercraft:
Probably because that email is doctored.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@lamh36:
like someone on twitter said, the Trump groping stories have been pouring water into a paper bag. Today is the day it broke, and nothing that comes out about Hillary in any leak can compete with a sordid Donald as a dirty old man story. Nothing.
JosieJ (not Josie)
Pence–and the rest of his Repub compatriots–hold women in the same low regard that Trump does. It shows in their support (or non-support) of women’s issues. The only difference between them and Trump is slightly more polite language. It’s no wonder that he doesn’t want to be forced into commenting right now. Eventually, his staff will come up with something suitably anodyne and noncommittal and he’ll stop bobbing and weaving.
lamh36
@Omnes Omnibus:
@debbie:
Ugh…I never liked Billy Bush…his always been a dick. Then at the Olympics when he was being a dudebro and defending Ryan Lochte, and Al Roker just went off on him
Methinks he didn’t “learn” as much as his apology said, but at the very least he gave an apology unlike the pseudo apology Trump gave.
Also too, it’s even worse cause after laughing along with Trump he then went on and worked side by side w/Nancy daily…ugh…
Fuq Billy and Donald…
raven
@Mandalay:
Botsplainer
@Mnemosyne:
Bill is a normal old horndog. He likes what he likes – a little trashy. Nothing weird, and he never has to force it.
Corner Stone
@hilts:
Can’t wait for trump to start seeing this more and more and re-watching the VP Debate where Pence threw Trump under the Access Hollywood bus over and over.
The tweets should be yooge! Massive! And Classy!
hilts
@Keith P.:
Farenthold should share the Pulitzer with Kurt Eichenwald.
Iowa Old Lady
@raven: I certainly prefer “revered and championed” to sexually assaulted but even more, I prefer treated like a full human being with rights and dignity equal to Paul Ryan’s.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven:
That comes across to me as rather patronizing.
hilts
@Corner Stone:
I wonder if any retired Republican senators can come out of their undisclosed locations and publicly call for Trump to withdraw.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@lamh36:
Yeah, that stupid 11-year-old-boy snickering was almost as offensive as anything Trump said.
Never heard of Billy Bush until this story broke today, but I do vaguely remember that Roker went off on someone over the Lochte story. Seems fitting that it was the same guy.
PhoenixRising
You guys. Guys. I have had more success with the ladies than…some…and FAR more success than any boorish crude jerk like Trump could hope for. Also I am of the female persuasion my own humble self. And here’s the thing: This fucking guy must have a tiny, tiny dick. I have never heard of any poon hound, who is familiar with the female anatomy through personal contact with it, talking like this. There’s something wrong with his junk. Really. If it worked at all, he wouldn’t be so furious with women.
Sm*t Cl*de
@raven:
Sounds like they are angelic but helpless. Not fully human from Ryan’s perspective.
Princess (now General) Leia
Is there any way the GOP can dump Trump and get Pence? It really worries me that they can and will and since there will be NO TIME to show who he is, people will vote for him since he is NOT Trump.
hovercraft
@Ruckus:
They are supposedly notes on the speeches. But they come from wiki via Russia. So I call bullshit.
hilts
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
“Nothing that comes out about Hillary in any leak can compete with a sordid Donald as a dirty old man story. Nothing.”
Hope you’re right, but Matt Sludge, Rush Windbag, and Fox News will certainly give it the old college try.
Corner Stone
@PhoenixRising: This sounds yuck.
Brag in some other thread.
Uncle Cosmo
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym:
Nope. No polonium either. A geiger counter would confirm poisoning.
But if the Rooskies have any sort of poison that can trigger a heart attack or stroke in minute dosages that exits the system (or breaks down in it) rapidly enough to be undetectable…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
He’s reported to be a never-nude. Has his wives (and whoever?) wait in the bathroom while he gets undressed…
PhoenixRising
@Corner Stone: Wasn’t bragging, sorry if it came across that way. I was contextualizing the statement, That Trump dude has something seriously wrong with him. Because no one, of any gender, who has enjoyable consensual sex with women talks that way.
Before this, I knew he was a crude, misogynist bully with a head full of a dumpster fire of racially charged nonsense. Now I feel very confident saying he’s got something wrong downstairs too…this is simply not how *anyone* who is actually successful with the ladies talks.
rikyrah
@hilts:
That shyt is crazy??????
Botsplainer
I want to freakin’ sob. I’m VERY sex positive. Give all kinds of allowances for attraction and need, even within marriages.
My iron rule is consent. Each party in the transaction needs to WANT what is going down, especially if there is a private betrayal on the balance sheet.
What Trump does breaks down the model.
debbie
I feel a Twitter storm coming on…
Botsplainer
@Corner Stone:
Hopefully. This shit is distressing, and I’m beyond drunk.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: A good number of the tenors, baritones, and basses are gone too.
Another Scott
@raven: What a horrible statement.
“I am sickened by what I heard today. Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified,” Ryan said in a statement.
As others have said, this is patronizing, demeaning, and disingenuous.
You’re not the victim here, Paul. This isn’t about your feelings.
“I hope Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests. In the meantime, he is no longer attending tomorrow’s event in Wisconsin.”
What “situation” is this exactly, Paul? What “seriousness” does it deserve exactly, Paul? The fact that we heard what he really thinks, and how he really acts toward other people? And how he brags about it? And how he wants to be congratulated about it? And how he calls a woman “It”?
How exactly can he “demonstrate” his “greater respect” for women than his words and confessed actions?
This weaselly, mealy-mouthed statement is a perfect reflection of what’s wrong with Ryan and the GOP. The demonstrated imbecility, horribleness, and incompetence of Trump shows how dangerous he would be as a leader. It’s easy to see the damage he would do to all of us. But Ryan and the GOP doesn’t care about that. They don’t care about the people and the country and the government. It’s all a power game to them.
“Donnie, you have to apologize and pretend you’re actually a normal human being who has empathy for others!! If you don’t, we’ll lose power!! In the meantime, go to your room and have a timeout!!1”
:-/
It’s disgusting, but not surprising. I just hope enough voters realize what’s going on and vote them out. Things aren’t going to change until they lose political power.
Cheers,
Scott.
NoraLenderbee
I don’t give a shit whether his dick is small or big and whether he gets laid or not. He said what he said and that’s what matters.
But please, Paul Ryan . . . fuck off with your reverence.
SFBayAreaGal
@p.a.: Jim Wright fan?
redshirt
@Botsplainer: What’s beyond drunk?
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: You don’t want to know.
Chris T.
@Uncle Cosmo: There are several. The simplest is injected KCl. It leaves traces though (needle mark, and high potassium levels).
Cleos
or while hammered and pledging a fraternity
When I was in graduate school in the 1970s, much of my support came from a part-time job at the Waffle House, a job blessed by the fact that a family ran the place and understood the value of treating employees right. Of course there were always the customers you dreaded waiting on:
— the drunks.
— the lechers.
— the people who brought young children, let them run wild and left the table looking like a tornado hit it.
— the fussy customers who left 25-cent tips
— the rednecks who quarreled loudly and not only brought guns into the place but left them on the table.
I would have sooner spent my entire 10-hour shift waiting exclusively on the above-listed customers than wait on one table of frat boys even once.
But I do understand that we all have murky things in our pasts.
That is all.