They’re denouncing, they’re appalled, and they’re uninviting him from their rallies. But their endorsement stands. With a month to go, your money can still make a difference in winning the Senate and the House. Give our winnable candidates some money to run a few ads about how much their opponent despises Trump, but still endorses him.
Certainly has been an interesting 24 hours!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 8, 2016
I wanted Trump to be beaten so badly that for the rest of his life he regretted running for president. This is the first time in a while I’ve thought that possible.
Ah, a weather thread! Matthew made landfall in SC and aims to be a sort of Floyd Jr with some flood effects…counting down the minutes until we in Raleigh lose power, rapture!
They have to endorse him, he’s the Republican. He may be crass, bigoted, a sexual predator, a crook, a poor businessman, and utterly lacking in common decency; but he is of their tribe, and the tribe comes before all else.
Hugh Hewitt has gone Dump Trump. This is so remarkable that I am actually cautiously optimistic this moment of “election over” is real. Still knocking wood, of course.
Hugh Hewitt tweet:
This would be quite the “October surprise” if it weren’t, you know, absolutely no surprise at all.
Tweet of the day:
I’m calling for a total and complete shutdown of Donald Trump interacting with women until we can figure out what is going on.
Like I said four years ago, some people just badly need to be slapped in the face with the fact that there are some things you can’t have no matter how rich you are or who your daddy was.
Romney was certainly that. And so, four years later, is Drumpf.
I put this in the previous thread but for totes creep factor I am repeating here too. You’re welcome:
Trump kissing Ivanka
Is McConnell still trying to say “I don’t talk about him”? Because every Republican in any sort of leadership position, from Mitch, Paul Ryan, quisling Reince, to governors, senators, house members etc. They all need to be vacuum-packed into the Trump box of steaks and grilled till done.
The best thing about Trump is everything. Everything he is touching is getting tarnished post haste. But the bad thing about Trump is that he’s the sort of character people can (eventually, probably not till after Nov 8) toss overboard and pretend like he was this rogue outsider.
But rogue is a very apt word. Because there is a nearly straight line from John McCain picking Sarah Palin, and how the GOP and all the constellation of Republican and conservative outfits jumped on board for a scamming ingnoramus, and where we are now.
Donald Trump is just this year’s Rich Lowry starbursts. Fry them all for this extremely long con. It is worse than them hating America. They are all indifferent to our nation. We are just marks to be fleeced, and who the fuck cares if it hurts, just shoe them the money.
I am beginning to agree with whoever on BJ has been saying this is a long son to get out of going to prison. The 13 year old rape accuser case has stuff coming up on the 14th.
Listening to NPR this AM, jeezus,false equivalency with the Clinton leaked speech transcripts.
Also too, I cannot believe that this crap was not going on during Apprentice. Are disclosure agreements legal when somebody is acting like this?
New acronym for the Republican Party going forward shall be GROP.
Oh, and to the thread’s point. Sean Trende at RCP now saying the House is in play. Let’s kick some ass, friends!
The funniest part of the Hillary/Goldman Sachs critique is the pivot from “Hillary the Commie/Marxist/Madame DeFarge” to “Hillary cozy friend of Wall Street and advocate of free market capitalism”.
When Bill Clinton had a consensual affair with a young woman, they exploded in a paroxysm of self-righteousness, but Trump brags about sexually assaulting women, and they just tut-tut it.
One thing that is thoroughly torking me off with Act Blue is all of the campaign spam (30-40 emails per day) I’m getting after contributing. Uh, campaign people, do you realize that you can alienate contributors by spamming them ten times a day?
@RaflW: YES! I sent some money to Doug Applegate, Darrell Issa’s opponent, last night. Pick your candidate, folks. If you can’t find someone to support, you’re not looking hard enough.
@Corner Stone: Last night I was thinking about the roving ass-pat hug Trump gave Ivanka after the RNC speech. This is a man with seriously depraved issues.
@GregB: Assumption is that the transcripts are accurate. Given that why is it so terrible that she has good relations with Wall Street. First of all she was their Senator. Second the financial sector is 34% of GDP. As POTUS you can’t just ignore these folks. That doesn’t mean that I agree with not prosecuting some of them for the 2008 meltdown but others will take their place. And the replacements may not be chastised by what happened to their predecessors. In comparing Hillary’s attitude to Wall Street and Bernie’s you have to remember that Bernie dislikes capitalism period. He would have disbanded Jimmy Stewart’s [email protected] in a Wonderful Life. If 2008 had never happened he would be railing against banks to big to fail. It’s who he is for better or worse.
Joy Reid was fantastic grilling Michele Bachmann on Hardball. Initially chicken shit Matthews told Bachmann she didn’t have to answer the evangelical God question. I don’t know what his issues are but he is a weird dude.
Reid has said that August 30, Bachmann had said on Brody File show that Trump was raised up by God to be the nominee and that God lifts up who he will and takes down who he will. Reid wanted to know if Farenthold or Access Hollywood was God taking Trump down. Matthews then said that was a legitimate question.
I remember the wives of Kaine and Pence being asked questions by CNN reporter before the vp debate. Karen Pence said Trump has been wonderful to their family, blah, blah. But now Karen is furious at the latest example of Trump sleaze as if it was new news to them I find it fascinating how fraudulent the Pence and Bachmann evangelical crowd is.
Twitter is saying that Trump is telling reporters he’ll never quit.
Trump says he’ll never withdraw.
ETA: WaPo story.
So the Guardian and others are reporting that Julian Assange is putting out excerpts of Hillary’s Wall Street speeches.
Nothing appears to rise to the level of the Romney “47 percent” gaffe. And the Trump story is stepping all over any revelation at play here.
@Mathguy: I like the new Gmail setup where I can drag and drop all that sales mail, and I don’t even have to see it until I search for it, like I’m in the market for a backpack or clothes.
Spam is just a fact of life now. I’m resigned to it and focus on managing strategies instead.
But yes, the constant barrage of emails from all sources is getting really annoying; yet not nearly as annoying at tv & radio commercials, so I figure it’s an upgrade.
Ok, so is this about the race for president, or about Trumps sexual/power drive?
@Baud: Of course he won’t quit. The only way he’d quit is if the RNC managed to force him out, and I imagine that it would resemble the final sequence in Scarface.
@MattF: Given his personality to withdrawal would brand him a loser and Trump doesn’t see himself as a loser. Besides I doubt if he has any idea as to why what he said was so bad.
The irony is that in one respect he was correct – the rich and famous can get away with this kind of abuse – Roger Alies, Bill Cosby, the British comedian Jimmy Seville, Michael Jackson, Roman Polanski, the infamous casting couch in Hollywood, etc.
Kevin Drum’s take.
The GOP would rather see Trump defeated, and minimize chaos on the rest of the ticket, than to see him withdraw.
The GOP miracle would be for Trump to win somehow and then resign, allowing Pence to become president.
This is my tweet of the day, from @ImChrisMoon:
Right there with you. Since early voting has already started, not sure how it would be legally possible. Though, of course, legal is never a prime GOP concern. They would sue and delay and do whatever they could with no SCOTUS to save them. Which would certainly be a more interesting kind of “horse race” for media to cover.
And what about the massive majority of racist deplorables who are the GOP base? They will not support a change in ticket.
And if, heaven forbid, Trump finds some way to “win” debate tomorrow, could buy him a few days.
But, really, if Hugh Hewitt is out there must be a dead girl/live boy tape on its way. Nothing would make Hewitt denounce Trump short of that.
1. Stay the course, Trump. Don’t keep Nov 8 from being a referendum on your kind of candidate and your kind of person.
2. Check out the Ambulatory Cream Cheese Sculpture realizing that the best part of fellating Trump is when you get to stop.
Ironically, Clinton’s job now is to keep Trump campaign alive so that she can kill it closer to Nov 8.
I don’t want him to quit. I want him to LOSE. They chose him; they’re stuck with him.
@Amir Khalid: Isn’t that the text book definition of the republican party as it is currently constituted.
@dmsilev: Mother of mercy, is this the end of Rico?
@Baud: Doesn’t matter. The fact that he makes a statement about quitting or not means he has lost.
@Mathguy: yes, very annoying. that said, i’m pleasantly surprised that the unsubscribe links seem to actually work. i would’ve expected them to use some loophole to ignore the requests. but then you have to unsubscribe to all of them again if you give again.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MazeDancer: as Jonathan Chait said,
Hewitt was a NeverTrumper until Trump won, as I recall
yet another endorsement. globe
@Brachiator: Trump is on the ballot. That can’t be changed. The only way the GOP has out of this is for the electoral college delegates to agree on Pence and vote for him instead. Now, the legal shitstorm that will open – particularly with the GOP holding a seat open will be monumental. So much so that I think the GOP is forcing USSC into a unanimous decision for Clinton simply to hold the country together.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’ve been frequently disgusted by this campaign, but I can’t remember the last time I was actually surprised.
I’m starting to believe the assertion that shomi doesn’t read the posts. Pretty much everyone here wants Trump to stay in and face the judgment/wrath of the voters, taking down his party with him.
@Corner Stone: Reading the comments on that link is like slowly sipping a Dioxin and soda.
Did you get a load (heh) of Ralph Reed saying his moar pure than pure daughters are still Trump voters and…like…he’s now totally a different dude who will protect the undead…er…unborn? Yeah, that should just about take care of the whole mess.
Steve in the ATL
Excerpts? EXCERPTS?! From the same asshole who wouldn’t redact irrelevant personal information from other documents because of his alleged integrity?
Fuck that guy.
“Shomi” is a poorly written bit of script that stirs to life every Nth post.
It doesn’t matter if Trump bails or not; the entire campaign is tainted now. Burned toast can be scraped off but it still tastes burned.
Republicans have always relied on the semblance of respectability; the veneer. They have always been going after white people almost as much as they have people of color, but they are not acknowledged as a target. Racist white people can still tell themselves they are “special.”
This latest scandal starts to peel off that veneer.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
that was infuriating, but yet another window into the swamp that is Tweety’s psyche. A combination of puerile romanticism about “people of faith” (please read that in Tim Russet’s scolding, sententious baritone) and the terror/fantasy that Sister St Lawrence the Grilled will come out of the shadows with the yardstick
Hear that furious click click clicking? That’s from all the rats scurrying to jump ship.
@Steve in the ATL:
@Mai.naem.mobile: NPR is a disgrace.
@trollhattan: I did a brief parody of it a while back. But it just wasn’t any fun, really. I mean how hard is it to keep copy & pasting the same three terms in every comment?
@Poopyman: GOP = “Groping Old People”
Narcissists are stubborn that way, but eventually they do end up facing a public image that they’ve lost control of, that they can no longer convince those around them to see them as they need to be seen. Once they hit that point they often become depressed or violent. Suicide is not uncommon. The only real question is whether Trump is pushed to that point before the election or not. I think it’s unlikely – he’s been at this a long fucking time. But after the election, all of his reputable supporters will abandon him because they all know today that he’s toxic. Hell, they knew last month. The GOP autopsy will blame him for everything. His businesses will suffer. His kids will suffer. Melania may not stay. It will be ugly for him.
@The Lodger: I uh…will take your word for it?
@Steve in the ATL: Assange hasn’t really made any attempt to pretend to be neutral here. You’d think that self-preservation at the very least would lead him to cutting his losses, but I guess not.
@Kathleen: I’d go with ‘grabby’. Groping evokes the verb, you need something more clearly an adjective.
@Kathleen: gropey old punks.
@? Martin: Ok this comment made me evil laugh. But at least it was a sincere evil laugh.
So, was this the “October Surprise” we had all been told by breathless wing nut thugs to expect?” LOLOLOL
Mike in NC
@MazeDancer: Hewitt, Hannity, and Halperin were three of Trump’s biggest cheerleaders. So it looks like now Halperin is the last man standing. Not surprising, really.
Trump is toast, now on to Congress.
Mr WereBear and I were discussing this morning that recent scandals reveals the toxic boy’s club at the peak of the GOP, where everyone else is ripe for denigration and manipulation and abuse.
Grand Old Psychopaths.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Hugh told Joy Reid this AM that he was not Never Trump. She thought he was, too.
Also told her that his Dump Trump moment was only about Trump being “unelectable”. Not a morality issue for Hugh. Who has no morals. Just SCOTUS. (Will update this in new thread, too)
@amk: GOP = Grabbers of Pu$$y.
@Calouste: you win.
An eight member Supreme Court, because of deliberate GOP inaction. Yes, any ruling should they get involved would have to be unanimous to minimize any outrages.
But I don’t think the court will have to get involved, nor do I think that Trump will ever drop out. It would be better for the GOP to take the loss and say that the people, the voters made the decision.
@Mike in NC:
What can one say about this Hindenburg level disaster but, “Oh, the Hugh, Hannity!”
Am off to donate on line, finally being able to. DT’s twitter above made me chuckle. This is one seriously unhinged son of a gun. I’m enjoying the news of the day, for once. Crushed and pulverized to be aspirated into the firmament is the only thing I want to see happen. Never to be forgotten.
It’s fascinating to me that his no doubt massive sexual dysfunction, which feeds into his even vaster sociopathy, should be the thing to finally, finally bring him down in flames. As we say where I come from, Bem Feito!
And that the downfall occurs as the result of a recording that sees him carrying himself, with Bush boy’s able bunda kissing, into a Soap Opera set, ready for his cameo. The books and movies to come out of all this will be astonishing. He can grab himself now to his heart’s content.
To see Ryan, McConnell, and the rest of the shifty, duplicitous crew squirm in agony also makes my day. Burn, burn, burn. Unbelievable, all of it.
BWA HAH HAH
@Mark B: Just what I said in the last thread, Rush Limbaugh calling on Bill Clinton to step down back then. “Character matters” he was saying back then. Wonder what El Rushbo’s spin will be this week.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch