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  3. 3.

    Davey C

    Not sure how to judge this debate. I was hoping it would be a debacle for Trump, but I’m not sure if it will be seen that way or not.

  6. 6.

    NoraLenderbee

    Yeah. He didn’t go to pieces, so he “won.” And he insulted her a lot, which looks manly to the deplorables.

  8. 8.

    lamh36

    BTW, They are in St Louis and NOT one question about Ferguson…ya’ll still think the questions were not chosen?

  9. 9.

    shinobi42

    How can you say he did better int he second half when he basically responded to foreign policy questions with word salad?

    I hate these fucking pundits.

  10. 10.

    Poopyman

    Mrs. P just flipped away from the debate and landed on a Honeymooners scene where Ralph is ranting at Alice. The similarities are startling.

  11. 11.

    BR

    @dmsilev:

    I seriously doubt it will happen. The GOP establishment, who Pence cares about far more than Trump, will tell him that it can’t happen.

  12. 12.

    psycholinguist

    Donald cratered – good lord he was unhinged. I wish she would have mentioned all of the current repubs jumping ship on this bozo, I think that might have done it. And… Jake Tapper says he did a good job. oh lord.

  13. 13.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Tapper is beyond worthless. Donald sniffs and interrupts his way through another master’s class in tossing word salad that was incoherent, mind-numbingly stupid, and totally fantasy based.

  14. 14.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Surprised Trump didn’t jump in and correct Martha’s pronunciation of “Nevada.”

  19. 19.

    Karen

    I haven’t watched the debates and I wait until places like here where it’s broken down so I can understand better. I heard about Dumbo looming over HRC and promising if he was President he’s throwing her in jail. Is his behavior making him win the debate. Is he winning or losing?

    Thanks.

  26. 26.

    khead

    All about the leering. Or stalking. Or skulking. Feel free to insert your own term that is the equivalent of “skeevy”.

  28. 28.

    Fair Economist

    I counted 46 sniffs, but I wasn’t counting during the whole period. I didn’t start until 6:37 and I wasn’t paying close attention for a couple minutes around 7:00

  29. 29.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Corner Stone: of course, the host of “Hardball” is whining about “cheap shots”, and says the best moment of the night was the pablum about Trump’s children

    ETA And now Chuck Todd is saying she was too weak? Good lord. Did she smile enough?

  31. 31.

    patroclus

    The debate itself was a draw – with both making their points. Trump was FAR better than in the first debate. Substantively, of course, I agree with Clinton on most of the actual policy discussed, so I rate her winning, but if you agree with Trump, you could legitimately claim that he won. Stylistically, she won bigly – primarily because of his overbearing presence and sniffing. It was a terrible town hall, with few real questions from the voters. And AC was terrible and Martha Raddatz at least tried. Overall, though, it was a terrible night for the U.S. and its political system, with multiple trips to the gutter. A lot of heat with very little light.

  34. 34.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    It’s times like this you realize what an idiot Tweety really is.

    “Nasty sniping from both sides, to be honest, no clear winner.”

  39. 39.

    Anoniminous

    This thing was an unmitigated disaster for the GOP. It’s the first time on national television I saw a candidate actually depress voter turnout for his own ticket.

  41. 41.

    PsiFighter37

    CNN focusing on the fact that Pence was thrown under the bus.

    Generally the talking heads seem to think Trump did better but the first third of the debate, plus throwing Pence under the bus, will be the lasting takeaways.

  45. 45.

    Emerald

    Let the pundits be idiots. It will keep him in the race. We need him to stay in the race, because he gives us a chance to take back the House.

  51. 51.

    Fair Economist

    She did miss an opportunity to pin him down on Syria where he was saying Assad was attacking Daesh (aka ISIS). That’s flat wrong. Assad is bombing the non-Daesh rebels mercilessly but he’s doing almost nothing to Daesh. Daesh is being fought by the Kurds (who we are backing) and some Syrian rebels that Turkey is backing.

  56. 56.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Betty Cracker: they wanted him spitting and screaming about the Clenius. The longest answers I saw were: whining about time, embarrassing rambling about the Supreme Court, incoherent fragments about coal, followed by a paranoid refusal of her compliment about Ivana’s job raising Ivanka.

  57. 57.

    Corner Stone

    She never challenged it? Is that he GOD DAMN FUCKING JOB YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE PIECE OF SHIT? SHOULDN’T YOU AND YOUR MEDIA BUDDIES ACTUALLY FACT CHECK SHIT IN REAL TIME?

  64. 64.

    Kay

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    And now Chuck Todd is saying she was too weak? Good lord. Did she smile enough?

    They’re wrong. It’s Clinton Rules. She’s winning. He’s the one who is supposed to winning people over.

    You really understand how Trump fooled all these people all these years- they want to believe.

  66. 66.

    lamh36

    @ABCPolitics 51s52 seconds ago
    .@mike_pence tweets congrats “on a big debate win” to @realDonaldTrump #debates

  69. 69.

    JMG

    Trump would’ve had to have died on stage for the commentators not to say he did well. They have their scripts, and they stick to ’em. Got a race to sell. The idea that a President who would jail his political opponents might go after them as well is just too much for their shallow, stupid, venal selves.
    They think they know politics, and they don’t. The candidate who’s behind (Trump) has to change things up. Trump didn’t, except not to trail off into incoherence, because he just went back to his stump speech. Clinton’s worst fault this whole year, against Sanders and now with Trump, is to ease up when ahead. There was a little bit of that tonight, but if she felt it’s best just to let him natter on, I can see her point, too.

  70. 70.

    misterpuff

    Instant analysis is to move back to the horserace. But what will the Twitter say. Everything could be different in a half hour. He had a mini-meltdown but got his barings, but it will not negate The Tape.

  71. 71.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    Rachael Maddow is pushing back against the idiocy from Matthews and Todd about how Hillary not chasing every idiotic thing Trump said was “weakness”, saying no, she rose above it, said it’s all lies, go check the Web site, and moved on. Even the Republican is agreeing with her.

  74. 74.

    NJ Maine Coon Slave

    @Betty Cracker: For those present he was his usual addled self + Valium.
    For his team, he did great. Talking heads are calling it a draw in their usual propaganda. UPDATE: a voice on CNN says Trump won. Imagine that?

  77. 77.

    Sinnach

    Was just about to say that – everyone said Pence won the vp debate because of his laid-back attitude no matter the content of his arguments. Hillary does the same thing and the pundits are all saying what a great night Trump had. Ugh.

  78. 78.

    JGabriel

    @dmsilev:

    Cokie Roberts talking about how Trump was stalking Clinton.

    Watched on CSPAN, which used a split screen with facial close-ups for the entire debate, so I couldn’t see the stalking – or any other dynamics of stage movement. Gonna have to check out some of the other feeds on YouTube later, I suppose.

  79. 79.

    NotMax

    Someone needs to put on a loop the image of daughter Tiffany pulling away as Daddy leaned into her to bestow a kiss.

  82. 82.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    From the ace “fact checkers” who apparently quoted a piece of a speech out of context that they don’t even know is authentic and (the best part!) asked her to defend their half-assed, sloppy interpretation of it!

  86. 86.

    Keith P.

    I bet Trump’s constant looming made the Secret Service nervous.

    They were using an orange laser so no one would panic.

  87. 87.

    Princess (now General) Leia

    No need for a KO tonight. Let him stay in and let the rest of the GOP hang in the wind trying to decide what to do. Should they stay or should they bail? Are they bailing too soon??? Let them sweat…and then pull the trap door with all the OTHER revelations. This requires patience and a taste for the long game. Maybe she;s been strategizing with BHO? Cause this looks like his style.

  88. 88.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    McKay Coppins ‏@mckaycoppins

    Repubs I’m hearing from generally saying Trump’s performance is bad, but not catastrophic enough for him to be forced out of the race.

    614 retweets 862 likes

    McKay Coppins ‏@mckaycoppins

    (they are unanimous in saying he’ll lose this election, btw.)

    92 retweets 230 likes

  89. 89.

    Sab

    @Villago Delenda Est: I think she clobbered him. Why does as anyone watch these debates anywhere but cspan (unless they don’t have cable so watch it on cspan on line) Do not let the network guys interpret/moderate your impressions.

  90. 90.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Mary G: As I said in the last thread, he’s the old guy at the end of the bar at last call whose been there all night.

  92. 92.

    Anne Laurie

    @Schlemazel: The mods were desperate to get that as the last question — presumably that’s what the guys writing their paychecks wanted. Even went over time, because Trump did worse (& Clinton did SO MUCH BETTER) on the “very last” question (about energy, from someone who works in the field, as she spotted).

    I think it worked well for Hillary, despite that. Asked to say something positive about her opponent, she said “His kids”… and the cameras panned to Ivanka looking tense, the sons looking sullen & stupid. Trump said “She doesn’t quit“… which kinda steps on his own ‘she has no stamina’ shtick, yes?

  94. 94.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @shomi: Why are you trying to pretend to be a regular commenter not a stalker troll. You aren’t fooling anyone.

  96. 96.

    CaseyL

    Considering the things I was dreading might happen – like Trump’s groupies standing up and yelling during the debate – I’m just relieved it’s over.

    And hoping that the Clinton Team has another bombshell or two in the pipeline for release tomorrow.

  99. 99.

    piratedan

    guess I shouldn’t be surprised… by the pundits because I looked at the top 30 questions that had the most votes online and out of all of them, they chose wikileaks… yes, fucking wikileaks, not climate change, not income inequality, not education or debt forgiveness, wikileaks.

    fuck you producers that made that fucking decision

  102. 102.

    misterpuff

    Tweety trying to get The Debate he wanted: A Bill Clinton bimbo Eruption.

    Tweety, you are dead to me. Ass.

  107. 107.

    Corner Stone

    The worst thing you can do to a woman in a sexual assault situation is actually assaulting that woman in the first place.

  108. 108.

    lamh36

    @KirstenPowers
    Hillary won this debate, but ppl will say it’s a draw b/c he beat expectations and cleared the low bar set by his last debate performance.

  109. 109.

    David Byron Hopson

    Der Drumpfenführer didn’t blow himself up the way I was hoping to see, but Clinton won on points. Let’s see how Pussygate plays out over the next couple weeks.

  110. 110.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    So, everyone in the sane universe thought that the problem Trump had in the first debate was being an incoherent, babbling moron. The Brietbart universe, and Tweety and Chuck Todd, apparently thought the problem was just that he wasn’t “tough” enough. And this one was better.

  111. 111.

    MJS

    For about two minutes MSNBC actually had good commentary. In a nutshell, they said Trump did well tonight because he didn’t shit his pants, but that he’ll lose the next 48 hours when the things he actually said are looked at more closely. Also that Clinton was presidential while Trump was “angry”.

  113. 113.

    hellslittlestangel

    Martha Raddatz handled Little Gloves very well. If he had any sense he’d ask her to run his campaign (she’d refuse, of course).

  115. 115.

    Kay

    It’s offensive to me that he just gets to ramble on with all that free association and there’s millions of people (and many pundits) who think that’s enough. He really does sound like an old man at a bar.

    It’s dispiriting- like why work hard at anything if all you have to do is show up and the bar is so low that’s a win.

  117. 117.

    Brachiator

    Can we ban town hall debates if we can’t get smarter questions?

    Also, Trump is not entirely screwing the pooch. He is lying, but he is telling lies that some voters want to hear, including, sadly, being anti-Muslim.

    He basically told innocent Syrians to fuck off and die so he can focus solely on ISIS, ISIS, ISIS. Simple-minded, but easy to understand, easy to buy into.

    I agree with a poster in a previous thread that Trump mainly played to his base. But he tried a clumsy pivot by continually quoting Bernie and by even more clumsily playing to blacks and Latinos.

    In the end, he may have mollified Republicans who were briefly appalled by the Access Hollywood revelations. I don’t think he accomplished much more than that.

  118. 118.

    Anne Laurie

    @lamh36: I was there last time those were required businesswear for women, back in the mid-1980s. The industry called them “pussycat bow shirts”, because you know perfectly well why.

  119. 119.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @MJS: also he tends to lash out after he’s had to contain himself like he did tonight, and I suspect the Clinton side is ready to give a push if it takes too long

    I’ve got it muted, but it looks like Tweety just really pissed off a very tired KA Conway

  121. 121.

    hellslittlestangel

    Trump was successful in that the calls for him to drop out will abate, and Republican office-holders will be less likely to drop their support for him. Of course, that means Clinton, and the American people, will be even more successful.
    Take a bow, Little Gloves!

  124. 124.

    Corner Stone

    @Kay:

    From the ace “fact checkers” who apparently quoted a piece of a speech out of context that they don’t even know is authentic and (the best part!) asked her to defend their half-assed, sloppy interpretation of it!

    “We have no way to verify this leak, but questions have been raised…”

  126. 126.

    Kay

    @piratedan:

    It’s so weird to me how they refuse to talk about the fact that someone is trying to influence a US election with these leaks.

    They act as is Wikileaks is some sort of watchdog organization- completely transparent and reliable.

    Jake Tapper is like “Wikileaks has released…” WTF?

  128. 128.

    Anne Laurie

    @dmsilev:

    So apparently there are rumors that Pence is bailing. ???????

    Since the talk shows this morning there were rumors. And after Trump dismissed Pence’s Syria stance (“I hadn’t heard that, to tell the truth — can’t agree”), well…

  131. 131.

    Lizzy L

    @piratedan: I was really hoping for a question about climate change. She would have parked it in the cheap seats and Donnie would have looked like the ignoramus he is. Damn.

  134. 134.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Poopyman: one of whose children is apparently about to come down with a serious illness….

    ETA: Conway should excuse herself, she’s about to crack

  135. 135.

    randy khan

    Wow – what a play to end the Jays-Rangers game!

    Real head’s up baserunning by Donaldson.

    Oh, the Rangers have asked for a replay review because there’s no reason not to.

  136. 136.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @srv:

    I know a guy with a bridge full of unicorns to sell you.

    Of course you do, his name is Trump.

  138. 138.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    He won the debate because he was in her space. — Conway.

    Really? It isn’t a good plan, for Republicans to go full-bore misogynist. Not a long term strategy.

    They went full-out racist and they ended up with Trump. Imagine the next guy.

  139. 139.

    Bailey

    Trump did about as well as Trump is capable of doing and he certainly spoke loudly for his base. He didn’t win any new votes.

    Clinton was low key. Certainly a decision to not engage on every bit of dirt he threw at her, but she allowed herself to be dragged down too often. This should have been the format that allowed her to connect better with audience but I’m not sure it did, whether it was because her opponent was obnoxious or whether she didn’t stumble across the right combination of issues.

  140. 140.

    amk

    @Kay: Kay, the real test and the real winner is decided on Nov 8th. Rest of all this is just a shiny media distraction.

  142. 142.

    jk

    Amid calls for unaired footage from “The Apprentice” to be released, executive producer Mark Burnett has threatened lawsuits if the tapes are leaked.
    Burnett “is pro-Trump and has made clear to his teams that he will sue anyone who leaks,” a source close to Mark Burnett told BuzzFeed News.
    On Sunday, a GoFundMe campaign that vows to pay legal fees for an “Apprentice” whistleblower was created.

  144. 144.

    Corner Stone

    Rubber Match?
    WTF are you talking about Tweety? Trump got blitzed two debates in a row. FUCK YOU!

  149. 149.

    dm

    A lot of people are talking about Trump’s “I’d put you in jail” comment, but…. I’ve been wondering what’s going to happen post-election if Clinton wins. This campaign has dredged up a ton of dirt on Trump — the fraudulent foundation, the Trump University fraud, possible tax-evasion (not the billion-dollar write-off (though even bits of that are dubious), but a lot of stuff done with the Trump Foundation).

    So… what happens when the law goes after him? Cries of “It’s political! Clinton out for retribution! Dictator!”

    I guess it’s another example of projection — Trump says, “I’d put you in jail”, because that’s what he’s worried will happen to him?

  151. 151.

    PsiFighter37

    Outside of Lord and Kayleigh, everyone thinks that Trump didn’t make any progress. However, John King basically said this is throwing out tons of Breitbart news.

  152. 152.

    Trentrunner

    Ari Fleischer (I know, but still) via Twitter:

    Winning candidates don’t threaten to put opponents in jail. Presidents don’t threaten prosecution of individuals. Trump is wrong on this.

  156. 156.

    Kay

    @amk:

    Right. I agree with this person:

    Marc Caputo ‏@MarcACaputo 24m24 minutes ago
    If Trump needed to pull off a debate performance to change minds about him, he lost. Clinton gained no real new ground either.

    Do you read Stu Rothenberg? He’s a GOP pollster. He’s said since August the race was over and he’s never backed down. It’s fun to read someone so decisive. The Trumpians tweet him : “what about THIS theory” and he wishes them luck but tells them again “it’s over”. Decisive. Makes up his mind!

  158. 158.

    Seanly

    @lamh36:

    So then the rumors of him jumping ship are incorrect? sadface :(

    sadface because I think that would be earth-shattering

  160. 160.

    Luthe

    I just had to unsubscribe to the Clinton campaign text messages because omg so many asks for money. Was Obama for America ever this annoying?

  161. 161.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    ‏@paulkrugman
    Let’s be clear: a candidate for president promised to put his opponent in jail if he wins. Everything else is secondary.

  164. 164.

    Soylent Green

    On CBS’s follow-up, fuckin’ A, Bob Schieffer.

    “How have we come to this?… if I’m elected, I’m going to put you in jail? I mean this is what they do in banana republics. This is the United States of America. People keep asking me have I ever seen anything like this and I keep saying no. And I just hope to God I never see another campaign like this one. America can do better than what we’ve seen tonight. This was just disgraceful.”

  165. 165.

    liberal

    @Kay: Then they’re not doing a good job of it. I’m much more critical of Hillary taking GS $ than you jerkoffs, and I haven’t heard anything particularly revealing.

  166. 166.

    Kay

    My sister thinks Trump basically endorsed Clinton. She’s a fighter who never gives up, is what he said.

    This is the same sister who found the looming and stalking “nauseating” :)

  171. 171.

    Jeffro

    @Corner Stone: Stone, it’s okay…nothing moved here, Hillz is way ahead, and about eighty gazillion other ‘shoes’ are about to drop on Trump, about one a day from now ’til Nov 8th.

    Nickel bet they have Trump himself up on web ads in the next 15 minutes: “Hillary’s a fighter, she’s tough.” This from the bully of all bullies…he’s probably getting heckled on Deplorable websites everywhere right now…

  172. 172.

    Donna Mladjan

    How is Hillary supposed to defend herself against that steady stream of lies? Trump consistently refutes the evidence we have all seen or heard and his supporters continue to believe his most current comments.
    Trump continues to deflect and change the topic, thus evading answering the question. No one actual response!

  173. 173.

    Joyce Harmon

    I think the promise to put his opponent in jail is going to be a big story. Also noted that the question about being everyone’s president, Trump speechified and then talked to Clinton, jabbing his finger at her. Hillary walked toward the questioner and spoke to him, was very sympathetic.

    And since it’s old history, some reminders – Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Wiley – the only time they were put under oath on the topic of Clinton, they both swore on penalty of perjury that nothing had happened. Paula Jones – her own family didn’t believe her, because her story of a benign encounter changed, and when asked why she changed her story, she said “There’s money I it.”

  176. 176.

    piratedan

    @Lizzy L: @Kay: have to remember, these are the same guys that lend Fox legitimacy as a “news organization” and they think that stolen hacked information is unaltered, yeah… but they sling that shit completely unasked.

    and yes Lizzy, they touched on race but no other social issues (unless you consider energy a social issue) and that ACA question framing was gawd awful although I thought she coped well. It’s as no one ever remembers the insurance industry raising premiums every fucking year with even less service provided AND all those exclusions.

  179. 179.

    Jeffro

    @MJS:

    Conway’s appearance with Tweety was my cue to turn the TV off

    Yup me too. Gonna keep doing it every time I see Tweety on-air (and emailing his boss about why) until they put him out to pasture

  182. 182.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Brian Williams is as incoherent as Trump, it’s just that his inflection makes it sound like he’s speaking in complete sentences.

    ETA: Rachel throws Caravelle’s whole analysis back in Trump’s face! awesome

    and the chipmunk goes weasel, got he’s a smug asshole

  183. 183.

    Kay

    @liberal:

    The speeches were always a dumb thing to demand. If she’s scheming with Goldman Sachs she’s not telling them about it in a speech.

    I knew it was going to be all bullshit “you seem to be saying..”

    I mean, honestly. She’s not an idiot. No smoking guns in emails and no smoking guns in speeches. That’s a given.

  184. 184.

    jl

    @Kay: They are corrupt and dishonest corporate hacks. As I said in a previous thread, I couldn’t find a capsule summary of what HRC actually said in the released (possibly doctored) excerpts and in desperation clicked on a Cenk (HRC is evil!) Uygur video. And he was in his sane mode and went through them and didn’t find anything all that big deal. He didn’t go into the possibility they were doctored though. Let’s see if I can find it. Here we go.

    Wikileaks Releases Hillary Transcripts!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM92UbRR6Ho

  185. 185.

    liberal

    The problem for HRC is that Trups claims were wildly internally inconsistent, yet for the average idiot listening in, they might think he made some good points.

    Not that it’s going to make any difference to the final outcome of the election.

  186. 186.

    lamh36

    Lord…haven’t said this in a long time…

    James Carville spilling some truths to the entire MSNBC crew…

    Ya’ll are full of shit…

    Thank you James Carville for checking the @MSNBC crew for their bullshit analysis about the debate being a draw!

  188. 188.

    Keith G

    Trump did do better than he did last time at bat, but he was still too cra-cra for the voters he desperately needs to win or win back. He may have staunched the arterial spurting for a night, but he is still losing blood.

  190. 190.

    Kay

    @liberal:

    I have never written anything remotely controversial or embarrassing in a work email and I’m a nobody. They’re not spilling their guts in work emails. That would be idiotic.

  195. 195.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    This “winning” is stupid. Winning a debate is “did this person persuade anyone to thier view point?” Perhaps Tweety and the rest of the awesome professionals in the MSM can show us that?

    Not to mention Trump was out to browbeat Hillary and failed at it.

  196. 196.

    lamh36

    Here’s a thought reports saying NBC was scared to release tapes cause of DJT possibly suing them…spills over in this post-debate analysis

  197. 197.

    Anoniminous

    @Kay:

    The race for president is over and it has been over for a while. The battle was the Senate – I think we’ve won. Now it has turned to the House and who the heck knows what is happening there.

  198. 198.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    digby Retweeted
    Jed Lewison ‏@jedlewison 9m9 minutes ago
    Trump to Hillary: I’ll put you in jail. Hillary to Trump: I’ll be a better president than you. Pundits: They sniped at each other.

  199. 199.

    leeleeFL

    I could not listen. His voice makes me nauseous. Followed here. She won it. Hands down. He didn’t answer coherently. She was encyclopedic. There is no contest here. Nicole Wallace is an honest person. She can keep her job. Chuck Todd is a shithead. He should be canned. Tweety is wrong tonight, as he often is. He is right often as well. He can stay awhile. Leeleefl out.

  201. 201.

    leeleeFL

    I could not listen. His voice makes me nauseous. Followed here. She won it. Hands down. He didn’t answer coherently. She was encyclopedic. There is no contest here. Nicole Wallace is an honest person. She can keep her job. Chuck Todd is a shithead. He should be canned. Tweety is wrong tonight, as he often is. He is right often as well. He can stay awhile. Leeleefl out. Mic drop

  203. 203.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Chris Matthews, apparently now a Trump campaign embed, goes from KA Conway to Rudi Giuliani, while in studio, James Caravelle is balanced by John McCain’s campaign manager and deputy campaign manager

  204. 204.

    Calouste

    @Kay: WikiLeaks should always be referred to as:”WikiLeaks, an organization whose members are unknown except for one guy who is accused of rape and on the run from justice,…”

  205. 205.

    donnah

    C-SPAN callers are utter morons. It’s like listening to a group of chattering magpies. The people who like Trump are not going to be fazed by the sex tape, apparently. They buy the whole “locker room banter” line, and they were not impressed by Hillary’s actual, intelligent answers to all of the questions.

    If people were Trump voters to start with, they are staying with him. And according to them, he won the discussion, hands down.

    After Muslims were being admonished in the debate to report suspicious behavior, someone on Twitter said, “I’m a Muslim, and I want to report a crazy man stalking a woman on a college stage”.

    These are crazy times. Trump was a disaster. He will always be a disaster.

  206. 206.

    Suzanne

    I speculated on a previous thread if Trump was paying Kathy Shelton for her appearance at the presser tonight, considering that per Snopes, she is having financial hardship. My thinking on this is that even if Kathy Shelton is angry with HRC, and I can understand if she is, it seems…..nonsensical that she would then appear with a man who was talking about sexually assaulting women. Anyway, the AP is reporting that she was paid $2500 by a Trump-affiliated PAC.

  207. 207.

    Bailey

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Golly, the concern troll is here.

    Yup, noting the obvious.

    Trump clearly better than first debate. Clinton didn’t put him away tonight. A number of topics she was good on, some others she was not so great on. Unless you think she’s still putting it away on, say, the email issue?

  208. 208.

    NJ Maine Coon Slave

    @Barbara: Andrea Mitchell is naturally disoriented. Sometimes she appears to be sleeping when she spouts media talking points.

  209. 209.

    Kay

    @Barbara:

    Even Andrea Mitchell seems to be highly disoriented by Trump’s threat to put Clinton in jail.

    Republicans have been lying to their supporters about Democrats breaking the law since 2008. It’s a vicious cycle. They lie to their supporters and then their supporters (reasonably) wonder why none of these people are going to jail.

    They conclude it’s because Republicans are corrupt and inneffective and then they elect crazy people to replace Republicans.

    They really believe Obama and Holder and Clinton violated tens of laws. They believe that because Republicans said they did.

  211. 211.

    Jeffro

    Most commentary seems to be focusing on 2 things: 1) Trump’s creepy stalking/lurking behind HRC, and 2) his call for her to be jailed if he wins.

    I’m good with that.

  212. 212.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @donnah: fter Muslims were being admonished in the debate to report suspicious behavior, someone on Twitter said, “I’m a Muslim, and I want to report a crazy man stalking a woman on a college stage”.

    I love it!

  213. 213.

    Jeffro

    @Suzanne: This should make for another 48-72 hours of perhaps not great media coverage for Trump…which of course is awesome…

  217. 217.

    Fair Economist

    @srv:

    Assad is bombing the non-Daesh rebels

    I know a guy with a bridge full of unicorns to sell you.

    Assad is bombing Idlib province and East Aleppo. Daesh controls nothing there. The last time Assad did *anything* substantial against Daesh was an attack towards Raqqa in June which was crushed. The large majority of advances against Daesh have been by the Kurds with American air support (which is Obama’s plan)

  218. 218.

    Kay

    @Poopyman:

    There shouldn’t be a quota but they really have to look at how punditry skews old, white and male.

    These people are not representative of their viewers.

  221. 221.

    Matt McIrvin

    So are all the R politicians who de-endorsed Trump going to re-endorse him now, since a bunch of pundits said he won?

  223. 223.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    So… I guess I’m glad I switched off MSNBC

    Matt Kurkowski ‏@ mkurkowski 1m1 minute ago
    Guys Giuliani is on MSNBC talking about semen if you’re not quite done with tonight.

    ETA: and an interesting and less disgusting tweet
    Reid Wilson ‏@ PoliticsReid 21m21 minutes ago
    8/ Ryan, McConnell have tough days ahead: Trump didn’t give them excuse to jump ship tonight, but tape is still out there & not going away.

  224. 224.

    Soylent Green

    @Bailey: It can be hard to tell Bernie deadenders from ratfuckers, but you have really been showing your hand lately.

  226. 226.

    Brachiator

    @Kay:

    Do you read Stu Rothenberg? He’s a GOP pollster. He’s said since August the race was over and he’s never backed down.

    I don’t know about August, but I think I saw something that said that in 2012, the polling essentially nailed it by October 15. This was partly because of early voting. By mid October, you are not just talking to likely voters, but to people who have actually cast ballots.

    For 2016, I don’t know if there are more undecided voters, or more who are also looking at Gary Johnson or Jill Stein to register protest votes.

    The leak of Clinton Wall Street speeches is designed to push Democrats away from her and toward the other candidates.

  227. 227.

    Kay

    @Jeffro:

    I’m so glad they noticed the stalking. It’s important to understanding him. He only knows intimidation. He’s a one trick pony.

  230. 230.

    amk

    @Kay: Yup, the vicious cycle of corrupt gop lying getting more vicious every cycle. That’s what wrought donnie, the congenital liar. They all think that the courts are their personal playtoys.

  231. 231.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Bailey: Trump had a horrible weekend. Clinton had a decent debate. You are looking for every opportunity to raise doubts about Clinton.

  232. 232.

    JMG

    Look, if only the people who watch cable news voted, Trump would win like 70 percent of the vote. It’s cartoons for crabby old white people who’re frightened and angry they’re getting closer to death. So OF COURSE their coverage is slanted. Can’t upset their viewers.

  233. 233.

    LAC

    @Bailey: Yes, Trump avoided taking a dump on stage and stroking out. YAY HE WON! The mansplaining and low balling here is ridiculous.

  234. 234.

    PsiFighter37

    Lulz, Jeffrey Lord thinks Trump can win suburban college-educated voters. Now ranting about Black Panthers. What a look. Even Tapper said stepped in and said they weren’t Fox News.

  236. 236.

    maeve

    @Luthe:

    I just had to unsubscribe to the Clinton campaign text messages because omg so many asks for money. Was Obama for America ever this annoying?

    Yes – that’s just the way it goes. Use a throw-away hotmail (or whatever) account when you donate. At least they respect the unsubscribe.

  237. 237.

    manyakitty

    @debbie: I still think Melania is the leaker. Relatively speaking, she had a nice, quiet life before all this madness, and things can’t be happy in the penthouse right now. What better way to show her displeasure?

  238. 238.

    James E Powell

    @Anoniminous:

    The race for president is over and it has been over for a while. The battle was the Senate – I think we’ve won.

    I’m going to have to disagree with you on the senate. Dems chances on the senate are getting better, but they are by no means won. There will be a huge surge toward incumbents in the last week. Dem challengers need to be ahead & have much more efficient ground games.

  240. 240.

    Jeffro

    @Kay:

    I’m so glad they noticed the stalking. It’s important to understanding him. He only knows intimidation. He’s a one trick pony.

    I think Josh Marshall at TPM calls it “dominance politics” or something like that…it explains pretty much everything he does, says, and thinks, just as you say.

    It also – heaven help me – fits “The Narrative” and continues to keep him creepy while we wait for the next shoe to drop.

  243. 243.

    Mnemosyne

    G refused to watch the debate and I have a cold, so we went out to dinner instead. Interesting that it sounds like most of the female pundits immediately realized that Trump’s tactics probably turned women off while the male pundits were clueless. Again.

  244. 244.

    Lyrebird

    @Trentrunner: @lamh36: Yeah I knew this was a strange election when I found myself agreeing with Charles Effing Krauthammer… and Jennifer GetAwayFromMe Rubin! Fleischer and Carville I hate with less fire than those two, but so strange to be agreeing with them.

  248. 248.

    Bailey

    @Corner Stone:

    Where? Which answer? What statement?

    You might not agree with his assessment, but his Syrian and Middle East discussion was far more coherent than one would expect. His decision to appoint a special prosecutor was obnoxious and erroneous, but his attacks on her email destruction after a subpoena was on target. She still does not defend herself well there.

  249. 249.

    The Thin Black Duke

    I thought Hillary was damned good. But it isn’t her fault that we have so many stupid people in this country.

  251. 251.

    LAC

    @srv: Yeah, it will be real comforting for you two after November election, when he is back to shilling for his shitty hotels and you are off to find some other obscure thing to troll about. Oh, he won because he didn’t throw up and held the microphone in his hand instead of his feet. yaaay…

  252. 252.

    misterpuff

    GOP, if it survives Trump, better take precautions to prevent another Trumpite infection. Imagine what happens to the party if someone else takes up the Trumpite path to the nomination and isn’t a narcisissitic misogynist? But is a dyed in the wool racist and blowhard?

    Death Spiral.

  253. 253.

    Bailey

    @LAC:

    Yes, Trump avoided taking a dump on stage and stroking out. YAY HE WON! The mansplaining and low balling here is ridiculous.

    Did I say he “won?” No. No, I did not. Speaking of stroking out. I said he performed much better than he did in the first debate. Which I think is abundantly obvious.

  254. 254.

    JMG

    I actually don’t think Bailey is being deliberately provocative here. I think Clinton could’ve done better. Every candidate can do better every day. To use the golf metaphor, it’s not medal (best score) play, it’s match play (win more holes). 270 wins. Did she put herself in jeopardy of losing tonight? No. She didn’t rout him, but she apparently wasn’t aiming for that.

  255. 255.

    Emma

    @Bailey: Honest to Pete. The FBI has explained it, both in writing and through its director. Only the conspiracy theorists still believe that she had anything to do with it.

  256. 256.

    Lyrebird

    @JMG: Oh thank you for this – best laugh of the night:

    It’s cartoons for crabby old white people who’re frightened and angry they’re getting closer to death.

    I was an intern for a Repr. once, and oh yes, the calls we got from the C-SPAN viewership — your description is perfect!

  257. 257.

    ? Martin

    @Bailey:

    You might not agree with his assessment, but his Syrian and Middle East discussion was far more coherent than one would expect.

    Really? That Russia and Iran and al-Assad are fighting ISIS, with the implication that we should in that coalition? And that was his answer to his running mates strategy?

  258. 258.

    CZanne

    @dm: The foundation is a state issue, so if NY goes after him, that’s state government. The bribery/pay for play with Bondi is also a state issue and a federal corruption issue. I doubt FL will go after it, but they might. The Feds could; they went after Blagovich and Hastert. Trump Uni cases are in the state courts. The various suits from vendors – state courts. Even if he manages to get through everything without racking some jail time, he’ll spend most of the next administration hemorrhaging money for the lawyers. Hope the kiddos have been protecting their inheritances.

    @liberal:
    It’s St Louis, and that audience was way, way, way whiter than the general population. Which means that audience tends towards deplorable. Add in actual undecided (not the brightest bulbs in the string) and faux undecided (disingenuous scammers) and yeah, smells like rancid weisswurst.

  259. 259.

    Bailey

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Trump had a horrible weekend. Clinton had a decent debate. You are looking for every opportunity to raise doubts about Clinton.

    Thanks, captain obvious, for pointing out Trump’s horrible weekend. And yet, he still performed better in the debate than expected and he outperformed his first debate. Really not very objectionable to point this out.

    And the truth remains, she didn’t put him away. No shoulder shimmy moments, I’m afraid.

  260. 260.

    Corner Stone

    @Bailey:

    You might not agree with his assessment, but his Syrian and Middle East discussion was far more coherent than one would expect.

    What? Do you have any actual verbiage to point to?

  261. 261.

    Soylent Green

    @manyakitty: My hunch as to what is happening between Donald and Melania: after the GOP convention, embarrassed by the plagiarism, Melania told her husband she would not campaign for him anymore. He then explained that when he trades her in for a younger model, he will screw her on the settlement if she doesn’t show up at all the debates.

  263. 263.

    Bailey

    @Corner Stone:

    What? Do you have any actual verbiage to point to?

    At this point, perhaps it is you that should pull up the transcript. Off the top of my head it was his discussion about how Russia, Iran and Assad are killing ISIS. Again, disagree with the strategy but he spoke as if he’d glanced at a briefing book which was far more than what he’d previously done.

  264. 264.

    Shalimar

    @srv: Oh, you gullible fool. Her troll-fu was fine. Just because he didn’t come unhinged during the actual debate doesn’t mean he isn’t stewing in his anger. There is a meltdown coming, probably multi-day.

  265. 265.

    Bailey

    @? Martin:

    Really? That Russia and Iran and al-Assad are fighting ISIS, with the implication that we should in that coalition? And that was his answer to his running mates strategy?

    I think I have consistently said I do not agree with that strategy. What I pointed out was that it appeared he had prepared and, hence, outperformed his earlier debate. Apparently this is an assessment that makes people pull their hair out.

  268. 268.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @JMG: Bailey has been here before. Bailey is always concerned about HRC or that Bill is a problem, or that something will be a problem for Clinton. Concerned. Deeply.

  269. 269.

    PsiFighter37

    Only a few hands on CNN’s stupid Ohio voter poll go up saying Trump did a good job on the tape question. All white people, naturally.

  270. 270.

    SFAW

    @Bailey:

    Off the top of my head it was his discussion about how Russia, Iran and Assad are killing ISIS.

    But then again, they’re not, unless “ISIS” now == “anti-Assad rebels”

    Again, disagree with the strategy but he spoke as if he’d glanced at a briefing book

    What strategy? Dealing with ISIS? Or his debate strategy?

  271. 271.

    burnspbesq

    @Baud:

    People shocked that the “lock her up” candidate promised to send Hillary to jail.

    Yes, and with good reason.

  272. 272.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @CZanne: It’s St Louis, and that audience was way, way, way whiter than the general population. Which means that audience tends towards deplorable.

    Josh Barro likes to say that voters* don’t have opinions about policies, they have feelings about issues. I would say anyone who’s undecided at this point in a cycle, especially this cycle, has an even gauzier understanding about politics, and, again especially in this cycle, are Republican-leaning.

    *most voters, I would say, maybe he does too

  273. 273.

    LAC

    @Bailey: To you and you only. Oh and srv. Didn’t answer a question directly, didn’t have a response for the healthcare question sniffling all the damn time. Seems to think black people all live in the ghetto, was jittery and paced like a coked up wall street banker, word saiad on most of the foreign policy questions, and seemed to think he was in a “yo’ momma is…” throw down. Sooo much better.

  274. 274.

    randy khan

    @Bailey:

    Perhaps another way to look at it is that Trump loaded up all of his big guns (or what he thought of as his big guns) and fired them to no real effect at all. Because, really, he’s not getting the headlines he wanted from this debate and the fact checks are going to be brutal.

  275. 275.

    Mnemosyne

    @JMG:

    She didn’t rout him, but she apparently wasn’t aiming for that.

    Like many other people, I suspect that the Clinton campaign has some more damaging oppo research up their sleeves for the next few weeks. Given that, and the fact that there’s one more debate to go, a blockbuster performance was not needed tonight.

    And the looming/stalker/”put her in jail” thing is pretty much guaranteed to increase the gender gap to unprecedented proportions, especially in light of the “puzzy” tape.

  276. 276.

    Corner Stone

    @Bailey:

    At this point, perhaps it is you that should pull up the transcript. Off the top of my head it was his discussion about how Russia, Iran and Assad are killing ISIS. Again, disagree with the strategy but he spoke as if he’d glanced at a briefing book which was far more than what he’d previously done.

    This is good, Bailey. This is really good. Thanks for your concern.

  277. 277.

    Bailey

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Bailey has been here before. Bailey is always concerned about HRC or that Bill is a problem, or that something will be a problem for Clinton. Concerned. Deeply.

    Yes because god knows Clintons never make mistakes. In fact, moderators quoting Bill Clinton’s absurd description of Obamacare really did wonders for both the current president and HRC trying to explain her way out of THAT.

  278. 278.

    PsiFighter37

    Ha, only one person on the Ohio panel said Trump won. Way more said Clinton won, and a handful said it was a draw.

  279. 279.

    Bailey

    @SFAW:

    strategy? Dealing with ISIS? Or his debate strategy?

    ISIS, obviously.

    His debate strategy is to not fall over on stage. He clearly did better tonight than he did previously. But apparently this is a high crime to point out. (Then again, according to CNN 63% of watchers thought he bested their expectations.)

  280. 280.

    PsiFighter37

    CNN has Clinton winning 57-34. Naturally, they follow with 63% saying Trump managed to clear the bar set on the ground.

  282. 282.

    Bailey

    @randy khan:

    Perhaps another way to look at it is that Trump loaded up all of his big guns (or what he thought of as his big guns) and fired them to no real effect at all. Because, really, he’s not getting the headlines he wanted from this debate and the fact checks are going to be brutal.

    Could be. But the discussion going into this debate was “will this finish Trump off?” It was not the discussion going out of it.

  283. 283.

    Bailey

    @LAC:

    To you and you only. Oh and srv. Didn’t answer a question directly, didn’t have a response for the healthcare question sniffling all the damn time. Seems to think black people all live in the ghetto, was jittery and paced like a coked up wall street banker, word saiad on most of the foreign policy questions, and seemed to think he was in a “yo’ momma is…” throw down. Sooo much better.

    HRC can be a capable debater but she is not very spontaneous. For example, a slam dunk for her might be to raise the very real point that the vast majority of African Americans are actually middle class or higher, not stuck in the ghettos. For some reason, she’s never able to pivot off that very basic fact.

  284. 284.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Bailey: Go to the archives. Prove that I never said that Clintons made mistakes. you are spinning out of control. You aren’t a concern troll, (that was my mistake) You are simply anti-Hillary. Got it.

  285. 285.

    Fair Economist

    @Bailey:

    Again, disagree with the strategy but he spoke as if he’d glanced at a briefing book which was far more than what he’d previously done.

    He sounded like he’d glanced at a briefing book – to somebody who has no idea what’s going on in Syria. What he really did was transpose his (false) talking point about Hussein fighting terrorists to Assad, where it’s also false.

  287. 287.

    SFAW

    @Bailey:

    ISIS, obviously.

    It would have been “obvious” if you had been able to construct an unambiguous sentence. Since you couldn’t — not so much.

    So you migrated from saying he was more coherent on Syria/Mideast to saying something about “strategy.” I guess, at some level, “let Russia and Assad kill ISIS for us” is more strategic than tactical, but it’s not clear that it’s actually Trump’s strategy. [Disclaimer” did not watch that part of the debate.] Nor is it clear that he actually has a strategy, other than keeping out refugees.

    But apparently this is a high crime to point out.

    Don’t forget to whine about the moderators siding with Hillary in a 1-on-3

  288. 288.

    NJ Maine Coon Slave

    Kellyanne Conway has confirmed my belief in the stupidity of the American people. She is chattering like she is on meth.

  289. 289.

    Bailey

    @Fair Economist:

    He sounded like he’d glanced at a briefing book – to somebody who has no idea what’s going on in Syria. What he really did was transpose his (false) talking point about Hussein fighting terrorists to Assad, where it’s also false.

    Scoring debate wise—and considering that most Americans don’t look at a briefing book at all or have any idea what’s going on in Syria—if the other candidate on the stage doesn’t even begin to correct that information, he starts sounding more prepared.

    I think he’ll get quite well fact checked. I hope so.

  290. 290.

    Bailey

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Go to the archives. Prove that I never said that Clintons made mistakes. you are spinning out of control. You aren’t a concern troll, (that was my mistake) You are simply anti-Hillary. Got it.

    You are far more in love with yourself than you deserve. I have zero desire to re-trace your comments. Yet you have consistently called me a troll, without any context or actual argument whatsoever. And now you continue assigning motivations to me. Again, you are incorrect, but I doubt you’ll let that stop you.

  295. 295.

    SFAW

    @Bailey:

    Yet you have consistently called me a troll, without any context or actual argument whatsoever.

    I hope this won’t trigger another of your whine-fests, but: there are plenty here who share Omnes’s view. And your memory of people taking you to the woodshed — re: your various trolling efforts — is woefully short.

  299. 299.

    Bailey

    @NJ Maine Coon Slave:

    Erm, it pretty much is, at least as the talking heads are concerned.

    The talking heads I’ve seen (MSNBC, CNN) pretty much all agree that–while some wildly obnoxious things were said–that this debate was not the disaster for Trump it could have been. Which was my point.

  300. 300.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @NJ Maine Coon Slave: Kellyanne Conway has confirmed my belief in the stupidity of the American people. She is chattering like she is on meth.

    The MSNBC panel all, including sadly Maddow, agreed that she is really “good”, because she never stops talking. Then Chuck Todd felt the need to mewl earnestly that she’s a really good person, because Chuck needs people to know that these people aren’t just his job, they’re his friends.

  301. 301.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @SFAW: Rodgers missed a couple of deep throws. It was closer than it should have been. Fuck it, I will take the result.

  302. 302.

    NJ Maine Coon Slave

    @Bailey: I see your pov re this. That being said I don’t agree with it.
    Regarding your comment on the talking heads – I have only had CNN streaming so I can’t speak for the others and they are, at times, burning Trump. And, in turn, excusing Trump. Frustrating.

  306. 306.

    NJ Maine Coon Slave

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: You are stating my views i.e., preaching to the chior. You are absolutely correct, today it is all celebrity and political access that is media currency, journalism has gone the way of the typewriter.

  312. 312.

    JR in WV

    @Bailey:

    What an intellect you have!

    Where do I write to subscribe to your newsletter review of foreign policy?

    And thanks so much for sharing your valuable insight with us here, we have so little foreign affairs education to rely on!!

  314. 314.

    Bailey

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yep. What did she do wrong?

    Aren’t you the person that just said I wasn’t worth anyone’s time? And now you want answers? Good grief, try to figure out your own motivations!

  316. 316.

    Bailey

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Wander away, Troll.

    It’s like talking to Sybil:

    “You’re a troll.”
    “Wait I have a question.”
    “You’re a troll.”
    “But I have another question.”
    “Wander away, troll.”

    Damn. You need some help, son.

  319. 319.

    SFAW

    @Bailey:

    Good Christ, will you quit with your whining? Omnes asked you to provide evidence, and you get all “Ask me nice, ’cause you hurt my fee-fees!”

    Bernie’s still not going to win the General.

  321. 321.

    Bailey

    @SFAW:

    Good Christ, will you quit with your whining? Omnes asked you to provide evidence, and you get all “Ask me nice, ’cause you hurt my fee-fees!”

    Actually, no, the chronology is quite clear. Omnes told me to go away. And then to provide evidence to world’s most vague question. Nothing to do with hurting my fee-fees, everything to do with wondering what the hell this confused person wants.

    Bernie’s still not going to win the General.

    Oh sick burn!

  322. 322.

    Ruckus

    All I see Bailey saying is that Sarah Palin and he had a date last night and they ate moose pie. Why is everyone arguing with him about that?

  323. 323.

    Beautifulplumage

    As a lurker, I’ve noticed an uptick in “new identities” showing up here after big events. Any regulars have a guess as to the amount of oppo $$$ spent funding concern trolls and others?

  324. 324.

    No One You Know

    The split-screen on the repeat broadcast is godawful: it looks like his hand is actually flying toward her face. Sometimes she can’t be seen at all.

    I’m glad I saw it live, because this looks just awful.

  325. 325.

    SFAW

    @Bailey:

    Actually, no, the chronology is quite clear. Omnes told me to go away. And then to provide evidence to world’s most vague question. Nothing to do with hurting my fee-fees, everything to do with wondering what the hell this confused person wants.

    Hey, whatever you gotta tell yourself to convince yourself you’re not a whiner, I guess. I’d suggest you join the Trump campaign, but he can’t stand competition.

  326. 326.

    SFAW

    @Beautifulplumage:

    Any regulars have a guess as to the amount of oppo $$$ spent funding concern trolls and others?

    If it’s Trump, no actual $$$ get paid. Lots of vouchers for Trump Steaks and Trump Vodka, however.

  327. 327.

    Bailey

    @SFAW:

    Hey, whatever you gotta tell yourself to convince yourself you’re not a whiner, I guess. I’d suggest you join the Trump campaign, but he can’t stand competition.

    You seem so sadly obsessed with this. Find a hobby, dude.

  328. 328.

    SFAW

    @Bailey:

    You seem so sadly obsessed with this. Find a hobby, dude.

    Don’t flatter yourself. You seem pretty good about the projection of obsession onto others, however. This is one of your schticks, after all. Repeated useless comments, then when someone/anyone calls you on each of them, you play the “obsession” card. Kinda like Deadbeat Donnie, actually.

    You’re pretty obvious in that regard, “dude.”

  331. 331.

    Bruce K

    Phew. Took me a while to find the open thread, because I’m still trying to sort out what happened last night while I was sleeping the sleep of the just (and hoping the just didn’t roust me out of bed for it).

    NYT said it was a brawl, blogs say Trump was out of control, papers say he performed better than in the first debate, Twitter’s slack-jawed that he threatened to send Hillary to prison if he got elected … how’d Hillary do, by the way? I can’t seem to get a handle on it.

  333. 333.

    2016

    He is a travesty. This man and his DEPLORABLE surrogates & supporters bring shame to all Americans. Regarding the debate (such as it was) Trump snorted & sniffled like the pig he is. He scowled, stormed, lurked, loomed, attempting to intimidate and acted like a true bully & perverted stalker. This behavior proves even more that he is unstable, unsuitable, and dangerous. He warns us that he will throw his competition in prison…just like the dictatorships he worships. He mumbled and rambled about his filthy conversation with imbecilic sycophant in the bus that it was “locker room” banter, but most 59 year old adults don’t brag like pimply faced 13 year olds about sexual escapades and giggle and snicker. Even teenage boys are more mature.

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