Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Cancel the cowardly Times and Post and set up an equivalent monthly donation to ProPublica.

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

I am pretty sure these ‘journalists’ were not always such a bootlicking sycophants.

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

Republican speaker of the house Mike Johnson is the bland and smiling face of evil.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

The real work of an opposition party is to oppose.

The press swings at every pitch, we don’t have to.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. keep building.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

“Just close your eyes and kiss the girl and go where the tilt-a-whirl takes you.” ~OzarkHillbilly

Radicalized white males who support Trump are pitching a tent in the abyss.

This fight is for everything.

Let me file that under fuck it.

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

When I was faster i was always behind.

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

There is no compromise when it comes to body autonomy. You either have it or you do not.

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  2. 2.

    Elie

    This is getting super duper crayzee. Who knows what he will do next? The dude is definitely in need of powerful medications… Who is helping him do these stupid things? Don’t they want a life after this?

  5. 5.

    NickM

    I think there’s a non-zero chance he may try to physically intimidate or touch HRC in some way. Not saying it’s going to happen but it’s actually imaginable IMHO. Is that crazy to think?

  7. 7.

    PopeRatzo

    What’s the over/under on the number of times the word “pussy” or “blowjob” are used by candidates or moderators tonight? I need to get a bet down, quick.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    Wouldn’t it be funny if Trump did well tonight and all those Republicans had to start supporting him again?

  9. 9.

    Schlemazel

    I am seriously hoping he goes nuts on someone asking him a question, hopefully cursing and insulting. Then I want Hillary to defend the questioner and have Drumpf take a swing at Hillary so that the Secret Service brings him down & sits on him. THAT would be must watch TV!

    edit: @NickM: my dream is a bit more vivid

  10. 10.

    Adam L Silverman

    I’ve just seen the footage. Steve Bannon could not contain the expression of glee on his face as he lurked along the back of the room.

  12. 12.

    mike in dc

    Serial sexual harasser appears with alleged and real victims of harassment in the belief it will insulate him from accountability for his own misconduct.

  14. 14.

    Corner Stone

    @NickM:

    I think there’s a non-zero chance he may try to physically intimidate or touch HRC in some way. Not saying it’s going to happen but it’s actually imaginable IMHO. Is that crazy to think?

    There is nothing too crazy to think or imagine, right now.

  17. 17.

    psycholinguist

    just saw it, Donny sitting amongst these women. That poor lady who was a rape victim at 12, good god somebody needs to help her, she doesn’t need to be any where near that orange glow piece of shit. That he would use her like that just makes me want to punch him right in his tiny dick.

  18. 18.

    Trentrunner

    After the “victim” intros, a press member tried to ask “What about he women you touched, Mr. Trump?”

    Paula Jones started YELLING, “Ask Bill Clinton that question!”

    Imagine Trump as President.

  21. 21.

    Elie

    Who are these “guests” that he is interviewing? Honest to fucking cross-eyed Jesus… !!!!!

  22. 22.

    debbie

    In case you can’t bear watching the video, here’s the Guardian’s description of the presser:

    Appearing with Trump were Paula Jones, a former Arkansas state employee who in 1999 settled a sexual harassment case against Bill Clinton for $850,000 with no admission of guilt; Juanita Broaddrick, a former Arkansas nursing home administrator who says Clinton raped her in 1978, although in the 1990s she said in a sworn deposition that accusations of sexual assault against Clinton were untrue; Kathleen Willey, a former White House aide who said Clinton groped her in 1993 but also once testified that had not happened; and Kathy Shelton, whose rapist, in a crime that occurred when she was 12 years old, was defended by Hillary Clinton. Tapes later emerged of Hillary Clinton discussing the case with a reporter; several times on the tapes Clinton can be heard to laugh or giggle, once at a polygraph joke and other times at insider courthouse humor.

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @ ZekeJMiller
    Pool report from Trump’s meeting with Paula Jones, Kathy Shelton, Juanita Broaddrick and Kathleen Willey

    Whatever happened, I think Juanita Broaddrick believes her own story, and obviously Kathy Shelton is the victim of a terrible crime. It’s a shame no one could stop them from getting themselves mixed up with those other three goons.

  25. 25.

    Suzanne

    @NickM: During one of the primary debates, I remember Jeb! was just standing there being completely rolled by Trump, who was laying into him for “low energy” and mocking his family and all manner of other shit. And I told Mr. Suzanne that the single best thing that Jeb! could do at that moment would be to walk over and punch Trump in the face. Just cold-cock him. It would have refuted the attacks of weakness and would have shut Teh YUUUUUGEmouth up, and it would have completely changed the race. But of course he didn’t. Please clap.

    I think there is a disturbingly large portion of the population that would love to see a woman be physically abused by a man in this context.

  27. 27.

    Lizzy L

    What Trentrunner just said. Ima just gonna leave this here. It’s Jennifer Rubin in The WaPo. The whole piece is good, but I fell in love with this paragraph. When you’ve lost Jennifer Rubin, you’ve LOST.

    Vice-presidential nominee Mike Pence, who — according to friendly leaks trying to preserve the image of a good Christian — is distraught about all of Trump’s doings, is not so distraught as to step away from Trump. On Saturday, he released a campaign schedule for this week. Full steam ahead! Those suggesting he replace Trump at the top of the ticket (even if that were possible) or set himself up for a run for 2020 should reconsider. He is every bit as tainted as Trump — and does not have the excuse he is psychologically unbalanced or ignorant. He is simply opportunistic and craven.

    And now I’m going to run to the store. I don’t think I am going to make it through this evening w/o beer.

  28. 28.

    bluehill

    I think we’ll finally find out how obsessed the country still is with Bill’s infidelity. We knew this line of attack was coming, but wasn’t sure of the intensity or the scale. Now we know. It’s all out, up to 11 attack. I think (and pray) that most Americans don’t see this as relevant to Hillary’s ability to be president and Donald’s complete lack thereof. The upside is that it could finally drive anyway of the undecideds, “moderate” repubs, Bernie fence-sitters, leaving Trump with his 27% base. That would likely lead to a Senate majority and possibly a House majority.

  29. 29.

    Corner Stone

    @Keith P.: Would you get within physical striking distance of him? He is clearly unhinged and insane. And outweighs her by 100+ pounds.
    And I am not kidding. He is clearly fucking insane.

  30. 30.

    Trentrunner

    CNN just reported that the “victims” will also be sitting in the debate audience.

    Bill & Chelsea are also supposed to be there.

  32. 32.

    Miss Bianca

    Speaking of drinking games, my brew buddy and I just finished bottling our newest mead experiment – ‘hip-hop’, which is rose hips and hops added to clover honey. Pretty damn tasty! And we started a batch of apple-cherry cider.

    I’m going to need some of it if I’m watching the debate tonight. Oh, and plenty of popcorn!

  34. 34.

    Lizzy L

    @Baud: If he is, I hope he’s got a Secret Service agent on either side to clamp him to the seat if Trump goes there. And Trump will go there.

    Beer. Now.

  37. 37.

    gf120581

    Every Republican strategist/donor/etc. is currently reaching for the hardest liquor they can find.

    This is fucking madness.

  39. 39.

    Suzanne

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: IIRC, Kathy Shelton has nothing to do with the Clintons, save that HRC was appointed by a judge (under HRC’s protest) to be the defense counsel for her rapist. HRC did her job and what the hell does this have to do with anything? So now Shelton is appearing publicly with a man who sexually abuses women IN SUPPORT OF HIM BEING THE PRESIDENT?!

    Oh whatever. The world stopped making sense a long time ago.

  41. 41.

    psycholinguist

    @Corner Stone: The lady to his left, she was raped when she was 12. Hillary was a public defender, and ended up, against her wishes, being assigned as the defense attorney for the rapist. She plea bargained his case in exchange for a confession. Some asshole found her and got her on a plane and sat her down beside trump as a prop. Just disgusting, and no doubt she will now get to deal with that all over again.

  42. 42.

    Gin & Tonic

    I told my wife I will have a beer while watching. She said “not a scotch”? I said I’d pour the good stuff after he self destructs. Should I just open it up early?

  43. 43.

    BR

    I’ve never felt like the nation was on the line in an election like I do now. Even in Bush vs. Gore, Bush vs. Kerry, Obama vs. McCain — none of those felt like the nation itself was on the line in such a critical moment.

    The only salve is to let Hillary do her thing, and for us to do our thing.

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Corner Stone: Yes, but… Everyone said, and it was leaked, he was going to try to go all out at her – President Clinton’s sexual history, Benghazi, the server, etc – at the first debate. He didn’t. And I think it may be that he can’t. He’s fine being a bully to those he knows he can bully. He’s clearly aware that he can’t bully her. So when they’re together he just basically looks and sounds and acts frustrated. We’ll see if that dynamic holds tonight or whether he actually can bring himself to go there. And part of what also has to be accounted for is that the town hall format is not conducive to what he and his campaign seem to be telegraphing for tonight.

  47. 47.

    gogol's wife

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I have a cold and laryngitis and can’t drink. So I’m going to have to continue my practice of not turning on the TV and just getting it via Balloon Juice comments.

  48. 48.

    srv

    Trump will declare America a nation of wimpy PC pussies and half of Amerca will cheer. Or perhaps all of America will cheer, but for different reasons.

  49. 49.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Baud: Yes. Better question is whether the Trump campaign tries to seat the women he just made an appearance with in the audience as well. I’m pretty sure that the Commission on the Presidential Debates is not going to be willing to let that happen.

  50. 50.

    Calouste

    First question a reporter should ask is: “Mr. Trump, how many of these women did you grab by the pu$$y before you brought then out?”

  52. 52.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Suzanne: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: IIRC, Kathy Shelton has nothing to do with the Clintons,

    No, but she’s surely traumatized and has unfortunately become tangled up with people willing to exploit her, and who if it weren’t for Hillary Clnton would probably be asking her what she was wearing when it happened.

  53. 53.

    me

    If he brings up Kathy Shelton during the debate I hope that she hits back with the Central Park 5. Everyone deserves a defense and those 5 men would have been executed even though they’re innocent if Trump had his way.

  55. 55.

    The Dangerman

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:

    ….just said Trump is having a psychotic break.

    I wonder how much sleep he’s had in the last 48 hours or so?

    I said it a thread or two ago;; anything’s possible tonight. Maybe even Trump ripping off his hair and revealing he’s actually Andy Kaufman. And I’ve got plans and will miss it live … damn….

  56. 56.

    Feebog

    I think I’m going to head over to Trader Joe’s and buy a fifth of Johnnie Walker Black. If Mrs. Feebog reports tomorrow that I died of alcohol poisoning, you will know what happened.

  57. 57.

    MazeDancer

    Physically shaking watching a monster trying to destroy the country.

    Tonight is his media network launch. And this scum feels entitled to bring America down to make money.

    Paul Ryan better friggin denounce Trump at least.

  60. 60.

    dmsilev

    @PsiFighter37:

    Good thing I’m on a plane and don’t have access to unlimited booze.

    Explain to the flight attendants that you’re about to watch Trump in the debate. They might comp you a bottle or two just out of sympathy.

  61. 61.

    Corner Stone

    My God. Does he have to walk through a metal detector or X-ray before entering the town hall?

  68. 68.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Daniel Drezner Retweeted Robert Draper
    Trump’s misogyny will contribute to his loss, because he has repeatedly underestimated Clinton’s ability to cope with this kind of crap.Daniel Drezner added,
    –Robert Draper @ DraperRobert
    Commentators are missing the point with Trump presser with 4 women. It’s not about winning this or that group. It’s about freaking out HRC.

    They’re both right, Dresser more so. I also saw that Newton Leroy has been telling Trump to get off the Clenius and stick to the Wikileaks thing. He knows what it means to get burned by the Clenius.

    Wait, what?

  69. 69.

    Suzanne

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is so fucked up. I am deeply sorry for what Kathy Shelton went through, and I don’t know the details of her case, but it is statistically unlikely that her rapist would ever have been convicted, and a plea bargain may have been the only way to get her assailant to take any sort of responsibility. That is horrible and sad, but that is nothing to lay at the feet of HRC. In fact, the rape culture that lets men get away with assault is much more the responsibility of…..Donald Trump, the confessed abuser.

    As for the others, what the fuck does this have to do with the candidate?

  72. 72.

    zzyzx

    I still have a theory that our universe is actually a TV show about DC politics and this is the final season so it’s getting weird. The show runner wants to show off all of their knowledge about the 25th amendment and ballot removal laws and…

  75. 75.

    Mike J

    Ladbrokes odds:
    Big 6 Trump Wins
    How many of these named states will Trump win? – Florida, Michigan, N.Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania,Virginia

    0 10/11
    1 7/2
    2 8/1
    3 6/1
    4 20/1
    5 20/1
    6 10/1

  78. 78.

    Run, Lillian!

    This is just a nightmare election. I just can’t believe that everyday I am surprised by how low it has gone. You’d think by now I would be numb, but yet I am still surprised.

    I hope that Hillary goes out there and is at her town hall best, connecting with people and talking about the policies that can change their circumstances. I admire her more everyday. There isn’t anything I can think of that I want enough to make going through all of this worth it. But she does, for public service. The woman is amazing, honestly. And I am not a gusher.

  80. 80.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: and Nichols is a Paleo-Con with no affection for either Clinton.

    @Suzanne: This is so fucked up

    No question, I feel very sorry for her, and appalled that so many people in the Trump org must be so fucked up as to encourage this, most of whom probably think of themselves as having a greater understanding of the Constitution than Madison

  81. 81.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    david maraniss ‏@davidmaraniss

    Trump in full Breitbart mode before debate tonight the slimiest most depressing scene in modern American electoral history. A long descent.

    335 retweets 405 likes

    Sopan Deb ‏@SopanDeb

    We asked Trump as we were escorted out why he thought as a celebrity he had license to touch women w/o consent. He wouldn’t answer.

    477 retweets 705 likes

  83. 83.

    Trentrunner

    An avowed sexual predator exploiting women who may have been sexually exploited.

    America, 2016. GOP.

  85. 85.

    Viva BrisVegas

    @Adam L Silverman: In the putrid swamp that Trump and the Republicans have created, facts are irrelevant only headlines matter.

    So what will be the headlines?

    “Clinton victims face abuser”.

  87. 87.

    MisterForkbeard

    @Trentrunner: Can I just say: Trump is a damned fuckhead, and I hope this craven, evil stunt gets universal condemnation from anyone with a soul?

  92. 92.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Adam L Silverman: I have made it this far in life without drinking fermented horse milk, and expect to go to my grave similarly. A nice Bruichladdich, on the other hand…

  93. 93.

    NotMax

    Perhaps have not been paying close enough attention, but am fairly certain Bill isn’t on any ballots this year.

    Or is Trump (almost surely unknowingly) shoehorning Hillary into the same pigeonhole as Melania, thus deserving of praise?

  94. 94.

    Suzanne

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I just read the Snopes story about this case, and apparently Kathy Shelton lost her job for stealing from her employer and was living in a halfway house. I wonder how much money Trump has offered her.

  96. 96.

    SFAW

    @shomi:

    Look, will you just get a jumbo pack of Depends already? You keep projecting about pantswetters.

    Oh, and try to drink less fluids.

    Friggin’ bots, they’re everywhere.

  97. 97.

    Iowa Old Lady

    Clinton campaign statement

    We’re not surprised to see Donald Trump continue his destructive race to the bottom. Hillary Clinton understands the opportunity in this town hall is to talk to voters on stage and in the audience about the issues that matter to them, and this stunt doesn’t change that. If Donald Trump doesn’t see that, that’s his loss. As always, she’s prepared to handle whatever Donald Trump throws her way.

  98. 98.

    Mike J

    Ryan Parker Verified account @TheRyanParker
    Trump just went live on Facebook with “debate prep” when someone started yelling “Why do you touch women w/o their consent?!” Feed stopped.

  101. 101.

    different-church-lady

    Yes, “YOUR HUSBAND IS ACCUSED OF ALL THE SAME HORRIBLE SHIT I’M ACCUSED OF!” really seems like a path to victory.

  102. 102.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Suzanne: If you go to the snopes link I posted you’ll find this:
    http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

    Gibson said the same thing during a 2014 CNN interview about the case, adding that Hillary had attempted unsuccessfully to get the judge to remove her from the case:

    Gibson said that it is “ridiculous” for people to question how Clinton became Taylor’s representation.

    “She got appointed to represent this guy,” he told CNN when asked about the controversy.

    According to Gibson, Maupin Cummings, the judge in the case, kept a list of attorneys who would represent poor clients. Clinton was on that list and helped run a legal aid clinic at the time.

    Taylor was assigned a public defender in the case but Gibson said he quickly “started screaming for a woman attorney” to represent him.

    Gibson said Clinton called him shortly after the judge assigned her to the case and said, “I don’t want to represent this guy. I just can’t stand this. I don’t want to get involved. Can you get me off?”

    “I told her, ‘Well contact the judge and see what he says about it,’ but I also said don’t jump on him and make him mad,” Gibson said. “She contacted the judge and the judge didn’t remove her and she stayed on the case.”

    As Newsday observed, the case was a “hopelessly convoluted” one in which the facts were far from straightforward and in which another person (a juvenile) was also charged:

    The case, [Hillary] quickly learned, was hopelessly convoluted, hinging on the accounts of three people — Taylor, the girl and a 15-year-old boy — who all had reasons to withhold details.

    Finding out precisely what happened in the pre-dawn hours of May 10, 1975, is difficult three decades later, particularly since Taylor died in 1992 of a heart ailment. But a basic outline can be reconstructed from interviews, court documents, witnesses’ statements and the Washington County sheriff’s original case file, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

    Sometime around midnight, the girl was sleeping over at a friend’s house in Springdale when Taylor and his 20-year-old cousin walked in, asking if anyone wanted to take a drive. The sixth-grader, who says she was bored and wanted to buy a soda, jumped into Taylor’s beat-up red 1963 Chevrolet pickup truck.

    Soon after, they picked up the 15-year-old boy and drove to a liquor store, where Taylor bought a pint of Old Grand-Dad whiskey, which he mixed for the girl in a cup of Coca-Cola, according to the boy, now a 48-year-old Army veteran. (Newsday is withholding the boy’s name because he was charged in the case as a juvenile offender.)

    After a few hours at a local bowling alley, the foursome crammed into Taylor’s truck and drove to a weedy ravine off a busy two-lane highway connecting the sister cities of Fayetteville and Springdale, according the sheriff’s department account.

    Taylor and the older man went off for a walk, leaving the 12-year-old and the teenager alone in the cab. In a statement to police, the 15-year-old said he removed his pants and admitted to having sex, revealing the encounter only after being pressed by investigators.

    Moments later, he said he left and Taylor approached the truck, climbing on top of the girl. The girl let out a scream, according to the police report, and he claims to have seen Taylor hitching up his pants.

    The victim, the boy reported, turned to both of them and yelled, “You all planned this, didn’t you?”

    At 4:50 a.m., the girl walked into a local emergency room, badly shaken. The doctor’s report noted that she had injuries consistent with rape.

    Taylor was a tight-lipped client, never wavering from his claim that he’d driven all the passengers home that night without stopping in the ravine, according to Dale Gibson. (Taylor was less guarded around his 15-year-old companion, who recalls the older man whispering “Let’s keep our stories straight” when the two met in county jail.)

  103. 103.

    SFAW

    A lot of the commenters here have been talking about getting varying amounts of alcohol, for use during the Debate.

    That’s all well and good, but where’s the goddam Bingo card, so the rest of us can play along?

  104. 104.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Suzanne: suggests to me she ignored the advice of a lawyer and counselor, at least I hope she has both. Trump is a beast and she’s a victim, but I shudder to think of the Tom Hagen wannabes who acted as intermediary, people like Trump’s idiot ‘sezwho’ lawyer.

    ETA: Chris Christie, darling of Morning Joe and David Gregory, and Rudi Giualiani, whom Tweety is not alone in still calling “America’s Mayor” condone this shit. I need a shower.

  107. 107.

    dmsilev

    The Onion, just now:

    WASHINGTON—Saying they felt physically sickened by the notion that the lewd and disturbing comments weren’t enough to draw harsh condemnation on their own, the daughters of the nation’s GOP leaders reportedly stated Sunday that it’s “pretty fucked up” if they are the only reason their fathers are denouncing Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s recently unearthed remarks about assaulting women. “Do you know how fucking twisted it is if you’re only speaking out about the Trump video because you watched it and then thought of us and only then realized these were unacceptable things to say? Are you fucking kidding me?” said the daughters of numerous leading Republican figures, including vice presidential nominee Mike Pence, Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell, Sen. Ted Cruz, former Florida governor Jeb Bush, and Sen. John Cornyn, adding that you would have to be “a real piece of shit” to be okay with these statements otherwise. “So let me get this straight: You wouldn’t have recognized this was disgusting, criminal behavior before we were born or—oh, God—if we were your sons instead of your daughters? That’s even more fucking horrifying to think about. Jesus, Dad, you need to figure some shit out.” At press time, the daughters of GOP leaders were wondering why the fuck their fathers apparently hadn’t thought of them even once when denouncing women’s reproductive rights.

  110. 110.

    MazeDancer

    Once the tape appeared, and they knew no chance to win, they moved up the media network launch.

    Tonight was planned to be launch of the Trump/Bannon Subscription Media Network. Just didn’t know they intended to try and destroy democracy, too.

    This is a terrorist attack. Hillary knows how to handle those.

  113. 113.

    Keith G

    It is so thoughtful of Mr. Trump to give Hillary Clinton yet another chance to show her calm intellect and the steadfastness of her “nerve”. Is almost as if he is getting paid to do this.

  119. 119.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Neera Tanden @ neeratanden
    Now we know why Chris Christie bailed. This is too low a moral bar for him.

    What did my obsession miss? when did Christie bail?

  120. 120.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Viva BrisVegas: Only at Breitbart and Drudge and the NY Observer and Post and Washington Times and Fox. I think everyone else in the news media is moving quickly into full on “there is a real threat to the Republic” territory and will respond accordingly.

  121. 121.

    Brachiator

    Wow. I have been out and away from media. And now, checking the news

    Trump is doing a presser with women who claim Bill Clinton assaulted them

    What is the phrase that they used to describe this stuff?

    The politics of personal destruction, I think. So, Trump is going all in on gutter politics. This is the result of his tremendous debate prep?

    The poor moderators. Nothing but debatus interruptus.

    Release the hounds.

  124. 124.

    p.a.

    As the Trumpster fire grows, is Donnie in danger from one of Vlad’s plutonium-tipped umbrellas?

  128. 128.

    The Dangerman

    @Viva BrisVegas:

    What are the downsides to Hillary of walking away from the third debate?

    I would think the RNC would be more likely to cancel; HRC wants more of the Donald imploding for the HoR switch.

  133. 133.

    wenchacha

    @Keith P.: I’d like to see her shake his hand, then rip off her nitrile glove and toss it in the trash.

    If he puts his hand anywhere on her back, I’d love to see her remove his hand. Permanently would be okay.

  137. 137.

    Adam L Silverman

    @The Dangerman: The RNC has no control over any of this. Other than letterhead, some office space and some staffers, there is no RNC in terms of a substantive institution and organization.

  139. 139.

    hueyplong

    Scott Adams, well pleased with the Trump presser, now puts his chance of victory at 99%, up from the previous low of 98%.

  140. 140.

    PsiFighter37

    Surprisingly, pretty much all the commentators are saying this is a losing move. Only Kayleigh was trying to defend it, and even ‘journalist’ Jake Tapper was having none of it.

  142. 142.

    Keith G

    @rikyrah: There is nothing in Trumps “arsenal” that can put a dent in her armor now. Though he may think otherwise, this is so out of his control.

  144. 144.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Baud:

    Heard a couple of hours ago that he and Chelsea will be present, but not in the audience that shows on tv. There’s apparently a balcony or upper-level where invited guests of the campaigns are seated.

  145. 145.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Haydnseek: Got a bottle of this here, which was waiting for a special occasion. Maybe tonight’s end of the Trump campaign will be one. And, Adam, the point is to delight in it, not to drink myself into a stupor.

  146. 146.

    JGabriel

    MazeDancer:

    Paul Ryan better friggin denounce Trump at least.

    I doubt any Republicans can denounce Trump over doing a presser with the alleged Clinton ‘victims.’ Most of them either believe, or claim to believe, the accusations of the women Trump appeared with – so what can they denounce him for?

  150. 150.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Suzanne:

    I think there is a disturbingly large portion of the population that would love to see a woman be physically abused by a man in this context.

    And a non-zero portion that vice-versa.

  152. 152.

    NotMax

    “I’d like to thank Washington U. for hosting this debate, and the great town of St, Louis. Oh, and those are some bodacious bazongas for a woman your age, Martha.”

  153. 153.

    weaselone

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:

    Heard a couple of hours ago that he and Chelsea will be present, but not in the audience that shows on tv. There’s apparently a balcony or upper-level where invited guests of the campaigns are seated.

    I’m honestly not concerned about Hillary. It’s Bill and Trump’s guests that I’m most concerned about causing a scene.

  154. 154.

    eric

    I suspect a certain someone inside the trump camp gave cheslea a heads up this was coming….

  155. 155.

    Shalimar

    Rumor has it the Clinton campaign was planning a press conference with all the women Donald Trump has sexually harassed, but football stadiums were already booked for the weekend.

  156. 156.

    weaselone

    @Trentrunner:

    From what I’ve read, Brodderick has developed a severe case of HCDS. She seems more upset with Hillary than Bill which is weird given that all Hillary has ever done to her is shake her hand and thank her for her help, an action that even she has previously said she isn’t certain was actually meant as a threat.

  157. 157.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @gf120581:

    Every Republican strategist/donor/etc. is currently reaching for the hardest liquor they can find.

    I can’t remember who said it, but someone yesterday or Friday made reference to Kellyanne having three Virginia Slims going in the ashtray and mixing up a batch of “banana, vodka, and Xanax smoothies.” I laughed the first time I saw it, and I continue to laugh whenever I think of it. Because truth.

  158. 158.

    Miss Bianca

    @dmsilev: Funny, this sounds somewhat like me with my older, Trump-supporting brother. Before this whole sex tape thing broke out, I was like, “would you seriously vote for a guy you wouldn’t trust alone in a room with either of your lovely daughters? Or *would* you trust him alone with them? Because I sure wouldn’t.”

    But the Hildebeast is/was the worst, blah blah etc. I haven’t even contacted him about this stuff yet. Because if he can’t figure it out for himself, he never will.

  160. 160.

    frosty

    @PsiFighter37:

    @dmsilev:

    They might comp you a bottle or two just out of sympathy.

    Definitely worth a try. On one busted flight when they comped everyone’s parking and I complained that I was getting picked up at the airport the flight attendant gave me two double handfuls of Jack Daniels minis. Said she “I love giving this stuff away.”

  161. 161.

    Adam L Silverman

    @weaselone: I’m sure President Clinton’s Secret Service detail has made it clear to their counterpart on the Trump campaign what will and will not be tolerated from his guests.

  162. 162.

    Suzanne

    @SFAW: That was intentional. I have no idea if she has been offered any money or if she’s taken it. But if Snopes is to be believed, she is in some financial straits, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Trump intended to exploit that. I have no idea about her character, but I am 100% sure I know all that I need to know about Trump’s.

  165. 165.

    weaselone

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That’s true, but video of the 4 Clinton Accusers being dragged out of the event by the Secret Service while screaming profanity and accusations at Hillary and Bill wouldn’t be good optics.

    I’ve used the word “optics”. I feel the sudden urge for a shower.

  167. 167.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Suzanne:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is so fucked up. I am deeply sorry for what Kathy Shelton went through

    And probably no one in St Louis more deeply sorry for what Kathy Shelton went through than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Trump isn’t, for damn sure. Kathy’s just a prop for him.

  168. 168.

    Adam L Silverman

    @frosty: I get the FOAD part of the acronym, but what does the Israeli Air Force have to do with any of this in the second half of the acronym?

  170. 170.

    Miss Bianca

    @Gin & Tonic: Sounds interesting. Not much of a Scotch drinker these days, altho’ I used to belong to a Scotch-tasting club and we took our single malt pretty seriously…nowadays I tend to favor Irish whiskies and bourbons over Scotch, and I pretty much only drink Scotch on my friend’s Robert Burns Night. Of course, that’s the only time I recite Bobbie Burns poetry, too.

    Are you sure it’s not going to be wasted on this “debate”? You might want to save it for Election Night.

  173. 173.

    Lizzy L

    This is pure dominance: the gorilla beating his chest and screaming. He is intending to distract her strategies, to crush her confidence in herself and to attack the emotional support she gets from Bill. If it works, it’s a contemptible piece of genius, short term.

    IT WILL NOT WORK.

    Yes, I am drinking. Why do you ask?

  175. 175.

    frosty

    @Adam L Silverman: DIAF is in the lexicon. It’s something I learned from Balloon Juice!

    FOAD, which you obviously know, comes from a previous life in a big international engineering-construction company. The company culture skewed construction.

  177. 177.

    SFAW

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Thanks very much. Unfortunately, I stepped away from the screen, watched Corrupt Misogynist Deadbeat Donnie do his List O’ Bretibart thing, and killed a fifth [sic] of the cheapest rotgut I had. I can’t stand that fucker, can’t stand his lying, can’t stand his evil and vileness. It’s a lousy excuse to drink, but it was all I had.

    And, in any event, that Bingo card looked more suited for the first debate. A custom-made-for-the-second-debate card would have had more things like “locker room talk” and “worst abuser in History Bill Clinton” type of squares.

    But, as always, I truly appreciate your help.

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