Trump lost his goddamned mind in this debate. Nobody in a western democracy threatens to jail their opponent on live TV. This guy wants to be Vladimir Putin. I literally cannot believe that reporters will talk about fine details of this or that exchange when an American candidate for President went gibbering insane in front of the country. Folks honestly need to contact your media outlets and complain every time someone acts like this is remotely normal behavior.
Also he said bragging about sexual assault was ok because ISIS is worse.
***Update***
A couple random thoughts.
(1) Two scientific polls said that she won the debate. That is a relief, because the Luntz focus group was honestly wigging me out a little. Then I remembered that he must have dug pretty deep to find a double digit number of people who haven’t decided and never heard about the grab-her-crotch tape.
(2) Reading Michael Steele’s twitter feed is a surreal experience. In the top ten or twenty tweets he fist bumps Ezra Klein about Trump kneecapping his own VP and retweets Sipp E. Cupp trashing Trump for his bassackwards claim that Iran, Assad and Russia are targeting ISIS. As doc Tam once said while gazing up at a statue, this must be what going crazy feels like.
PhoenixRising
I think he said lying about sexual assault as a brag was OK because ISIS. But yes to the Hitler thing. Putin is a 2 bit Hitler wannabe.
Robin G.
I have been sick to my stomach for the last hour and a half. I can’t even tell you who “won” because we live in a world where that man was on that stage saying those things and I just. I can’t.
(Side note: I made it through 90 minutes of Trump, but had to turn off the TV after 30 seconds of David Brooks.)
Unabogie
That was the biggest WTF moment for us.
MomSense
Believe it or not it was Steve Schmidt who raised the alarm about that comment.
Major Major Major Major
That was the point that I put up a post on facebook saying “WHAT THE HELL AM I WATCHING”
That was… certainly… a series of sounds and images on a television.
Botsplainer
Can we get an NBC news advertiser list for boycott purposes?
danielx
@Robin G.:
Why should you be any different, other than making it through thirty seconds?
Luthe
I couldn’t believe the justifying sexual assault by talking about Daesh either. And then there was the line about not being an effective Senator for not getting everything she wanted automatically done. Way to fail fourth grade civics there.
Jean
And who was it on MSNBC who said, and I’m paraphrasing, Here we have two very unpopular candidates running for president. If she were debating any of many of the other 16 Republicans, she’d be losing.
Isn’t that what any loser says? If it were a different Republican, we’d be winning?? No, because you’re losing the contest against your only opponent.
Baud
The media I’m watching is seizing on the jail point.
As with all things Trump, there’s so much horrible to talk about.
schrodinger's cat
I didn’t watch the last debate and I have a nasty headache from watching this one.
Baud
@Jean: Schmidt.
Poopyman
Gene Robinson (Allah praise him) is on my TV talking about the jailing comment and about the hulking and scowling.
dr. bloor
We’ve reached a point where presidential campaigns are an admixture of The Truman Show, Network, and American Idol on acid. No one is any longer capable of defining “normal” let alone maintaining standards for it.
hovercraft
@Jean:
That was Steve Schmidt, he was John McCain’s campaign manager.
So yes he’s responsible for Sarah Palin.
schrodinger's cat
He was physically intimidating her by stalking her non stop. Creep.
Comrade Jake
I think folks are missing the obvious here: this is all projection.
Trump may very well be prosecuted for fraud after the election for, his foundation handling. Then there is the Trump U suit. Think about it.
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: As long as they’re seizing on something horrible and not doing a both sides.
Bill E Pilgrim
I put this in the last thread, Krugman was right on it:
Paul Krugman @paulkrugman 31m31 minutes ago
Let’s be clear: a candidate for president promised to put his opponent in jail if he wins. Everything else is secondary.
NR
Frank Luntz focus group:
Focus Group: Who are you willing to vote for?
BEFORE #DEBATE • Hillary: 8 • Trump: 9
AFTER DEBATE • Hillary: 4 • Trump: 18
The debate was an absolute disaster for Hillary.
rk
He said something about Michelle Obama not being Hillary’s friend. But I did not get that. Can anyone clarify?
piratedan
well, for anyone that was truly on the fence, who was looking for someone who could articulate a policy aim and plan, its pretty obvious that its HRC. If you’re feeling like the country and everything else has left you insecure and less than awesome, then Trump rang your bell, because he’s offering up HRC as the person who will pay for the crimes committed against you. The question, same as it ever was, are there more of “us” or more of “them”.
On another note, I love how the media brings up that Clinton claims that there are these people that she calls “deplorable”, yet no one ever goes ahead and looks at the people she is hanging the label on. Please get back to me when you start finding “Trump that bitch” and “Lock Her Up” (and those are the “tame” ones) endearing or that the comments over at breitbart acceptable political discourse.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: There doing both sides on some things. But not that
Joy Reid is a treasure.
hovercraft
Mr. Khan for the win. Calls Trump a liar.
Wait for it, how long before he comes back at him?
Robin G.
@Jean: “If things were different they’d be different.”
MomSense
@schrodinger’s cat:
My boys were mad about that. He was trying to intimidate her. He’s horribke
schrodinger's cat
NR and his sock puppet Bailey are here.
Major Major Major Major
@srv: Well, I’ll grant you that “tweeting happens to be a modern form of communication.”
? Martin
So Clinton allowed Trump to rally his base, but not win over moderates. How do downticket candidates handle this? They can even less afford to abandon Trump now. I’m guessing they work their way behind him again because they’ll see this as a reasonable performance, and we’re going to have another tape leak out which they’ll again have to answer for.
This feels like another setup to me. Trump stays at 40% in the polls and he drags down downtickets in the process.
Roger Moore
@Jean:
Yep. If only we were in hypothetical Earth where there had been a sensible Republican primary candidate capable of beating Trump, Hillary would be losing. And if I had just known the right 6 numbers before the last lottery drawing, I’d be a millionaire.
Bobby Thomson
Meh. I wouldn’t have been troubled if, say, Howard Dean had threatened Junior to his face with prosecution for war crimes.
The bigger takeaways:
1) Trump tried to deny bragging about sexual assault, despite it being on tape
2) Trump tried to deny telling people to watch a sex tape, even though he clearly did
3) Trump admitted not paying taxes, and refused to say for how many years
4) Trump answered a question about protecting targets of Islamophobia by ramping up Islamophobia
5) The people at 538 suck at punditry
6) Jake Tapper and Chuck Todd continue to be douches
Botsplainer
@NR:
Go die.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodinger’s cat: I suppose I have some things to do in Warcraft anyway.
Anoniminous
Fascists believe their country and culture is in decline and unless a strong leader emerges who personalizes the Will of the Nation that decline will be permanent. Thus, one of the essential ingredients of Fascism is the strong leader who imprisons or kills those who threaten national rejuvenation.
Baud
@? Martin: FWIW, I think she was less aggressive because it was a town hall with ordinary people there.
Peale
@Jean: yeah. That Chris Christie is a real winner. And people who meet ted cruz end up liking him. And shoot didn’t Carly Fiorina come off as likeable. And everyone likes a sleeping brain surgeon
hovercraft
@rk:
When he was slinging accusations about Bill raping and Hillary attacking women, she responded by quoting Michelle, when they go low, we go high comment. Trump came back rambling about how during the 2008 campaign Michelle said bad things about her, and was in commercials putting down Hillary. So basically telling America to ignore what Michelle is saying about Hillary now, go back and see what she said 8 years ago.
BR
Time to hit the phonebanks and pavement — sign up, let’s win back the senate and house.
Fuzz
One thing this election has shown me, and admittedly this is something as a 31 year old I should have seen by now, is how incredibly authoritarian the right is. These people are not democratic, they’re aching for a dictator. They feel under attack from various others, they feel the walls closing in, and only a dear leader type can save them. They want power but in some weird, grotesque way that I’ve never seen with anything but the most fringe left wing types. It’s awful.
Chris
@Luthe:
As with Romney’s 47%er thing, this was a thing on right wing blogs for years before a candidate for POTUS brought it up.
The catch-all response to any and all questions about sexism, rape, or any problems of that nature in the U.S. for years has been that Muslims are worse. And liberals are hypocrites because they always
condemn sexist behavior from Christianshate Christians butdon’t think it’s okay to profile every Muslim as a terroristlove Muslims so much.Bobby Thomson
@Roger Moore:
Imma have to stop you right there.
chopper
@NR:
lol, luntz.
jl
@hovercraft:
” That was Steve Schmidt, he was John McCain’s campaign manager.
So yes he’s responsible for Sarah Palin. ”
Didn’t watch the debate, and of course skipping the idiot corrupt pundits. But I followed the comments on Schmidt. I want one of those pundit jobs, I could say really smart things like “Hey, sure Trump looked bad, but if HRC were running against Abraham Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt, or Eisenhower, man, she would be in a tight race, probably losing! So, was it a good night for HRC? Opinions differ. Probably not, huh?” DEEP INSIGHT!
PVDMichael
Second that on Joy Reid being a national treasure.
I hope that Trevor Noah picks up on this and gives us a good dose of how Donald Trump is not too different than several African tinpots.
NR
YouGov poll has it 47 Clinton, 42 Trump.
lamh36
ugh…this GIF of Trump looming behind HRC…
@jameswest2010
What. Is. He. Doing.
PPCLI
@Jean: Yes, just like the backup goalie and the backup quarterback are always the best players on the team, in the minds of the fans, the Republican benchwarmers that couldn’t even beat Trump would be cruising here.
Poopyman
She’s being asked by the press as they’re readying to take off. SHe’s great here. Too much to quote….
amk
@Baud: you mean this steve schmidt?
immoral pos.
lamh36
Baud
@Poopyman: Loved it.
hueyplong
I’m feeling very good about this, and believe it or not, the source of my optimism is Chuck Todd, a guy I normally detest. These are all things he said:
1. He said he didn’t disagree with any of Carville’s longwinded partisan summary on behalf of Clinton (that was kind of a shocker).
2. In what he said and what he merely hinted at, bombs will go off in the next 48 hours, which will be really, really bad for Trump.
3. Trump gave the lunatic Clinton hunters of the 90s their wet dream (someone screaming at Hillary on national TV), but that won’t increase their total (which ain’t 50% of the vote).
4. Trump has now made it impossible for GOP candidates in swing areas, who thought they had their escape ramp from Trump but now don’t (at least until #2 comes to fruition). That sounded a lot like Senate control to me.
5. Even his criticism of Clinton (she passed on opportunities to attack) is something he said might be fixed by follow-up ads, fact checking, and the bombs from #2.
Chuckles does not share the opinions of our concern trolls. Neither do I.
I know many are disappointed that Trump’s final meltdown wasn’t tonight. Give it a week.
lamh36
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@NR:
There’s your problem right there Skippy.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@NR: do you work at being this stupid, Dummy, or is it a gift?
Emma
@NR: *Giggle* Luntz’s groups are “undecided” only as to what to have for breakfast.
Villago Delenda Est
Has ONE of the vile creatures of the Village mentioned this entire “throw her in jail for pretend crimes” crap?
MomSense
@lamh36:
Well you should see what he did to this poor chair.
Leave that chair alone!
lamh36
Trump campaign manager accuses congressmen of lewd behavior
Kellyanne Conway made the statements in response to congressional Republicans un-endorsing Trump this weekend.
cokane
hey now, plenty of Latin Americans threaten to jail their political opponents. And some even have!
amk
@Jean: so the other 16 kkklowns, who couldn’t even beat this kkklown, will beat Hillary? logic just hanged itself.
lamh36
Trentrunner
CNN Poll: Clinton overwhelmingly wins debate 57 -34. Scientific poll, not fake Trumpian online poll.
Have a good night, everyone. :)
Villago Delenda Est
@hueyplong: Hillary has to save some stuff for the third act. Dancing around in the 2nd to keep the show going is good strategy.
WaterGirl
@lamh36: Holy shit! I had the debate on the TV but was mostly listening and reading BJ, so I didn’t see the looming and menacing. I figured I’d watch again in the morning and see what I thought.
That was totally creepy and I can’t believe the moderators let that go without reining Trump in. Did Trump do that just once or did he keep doing that?
Jeffro
@Fuzz: “Strong and wrong” – it appeals to the weak and small-minded.
psycholinguist
CNN poll – Hillary kicked his ass (57 to 34), CNN then try to claim victory for Trump because he did better than expected – ignoring that actually showing up is better than most expected. Now KellyAnn is on saying exactly that.
ellie
CNN insta poll:
Clinton: 57%
Trump: 34%
Mnemosyne
@NR:
Where did the extra 5 people come from? The numbers don’t add up between the before and after groups.
Luthe
@Chris: It’s like the “but there are starving children in Africa!” argument, only for sexual predators.
“Sure I assault women, but there are women being killed in Syria!”
Shalimar
@NR: So, per Frank Luntz, 25% of the electorate is going to change their vote because of one debate? Frank Luntz knows his job is creating false narratives. You apparently don’t.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Been doing dishes and flipping around so I haven’t seen every minute, but… Professional Republicans I’ve seen on MSNBC: Giuliani, Wallace, Schmidt, Murphy, and Conay
Professional Democrats: Caravelle.
Baud
Everyone is complaining about Donald’s leering over Clinton, but will no one praise him for not grabbing her crotch. #LowBar.
Betty Cracker
@NR: Okay, so was it a disaster for Trump now? Or was it a disaster for Clinton, as you said six minutes earlier?
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I noticed that.
amk
@ellie: so yet again, the teann pundtwits are clueless.
jl
@lamh36: This will be fun, last month of the campaign will be GOPer factions trying to out accuse each other of sexual assault. Cool.
NR
@ellie: YouGov had Clinton the winner by 5 points.
psycholinguist
KellyAnn is going to burn in fuckin hell – or be ripped apart by a mob of angry women.
lamh36
@ShawnHatosy
Can’t believe more people aren’t talking about when Trump dry humped the chair. #lovetrumpshate
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Jean:
Trump is not an accident, and did not occur in a vacuum. He did not magically win against 16 opponents who would have done better in the general. He represents a major political movement in America right now. And yes, that’s terrifying and disgusting.
Mandalay
@lamh36:
So she’s not actually claiming that anyone in Congress groped her at all, but that it happened to other women when she was “younger and prettier”?
She’s more incoherent than Trump.
BillinGlendaleCA
@lamh36: I’m guessing she met Senator Packwood.
hovercraft
@Trentrunner:
And the sad thing is that 63 % said he did better than expected , but still thought he lost.
PPCLI
@Mnemosyne: According to Luntz, they loved Trump so much some of them displayed spontaneous mitosis.
danielx
The woman has nerves of steel.
Cacti
@NR:
Your boy is sinking like a stone.
Frank Luntz isn’t saving him.
Villago Delenda Est
Kellyanne needs to name names. Because we have one name who bragged about what he did, and that’s her boss.
piratedan
upon reflection… what we’ve just seen is a promise of what trump Presidency will look like:
1) political enemies will be subject to vendetta
2) roe vs wade – gone
3) we’ll bomb who we like, when we like
4) rich people will fucking love me
I have NEVER thought I would see the day when I would see a political debate where one candidate threatened another, in a public forum, with special prosecutor investigations to find wrongdoing and the promise of incarceration
I NEVER thought I would see a political candidate hang the transgressions of their partner and claim that they were just as responsible for them as the person committing them, all with the chutzpah of just publicly stating that he committed sexual assault and has an upcoming trial for Rape.
Donald Trump is the Al Capone of politics… can’t wait to see him defeated. Also, would be entirely happy to see Bannon destitute, Conway deemed unemployable. Pence shamed from the public stage for a lifetime.
Anoniminous
@Trentrunner:
Whooo! 23 point win. Trump is toast.
Cacti
CNN/ORC snap poll on debate winner:
Clinton 57
Trump 34
JMG
I am tired and am going to bed, but there would be some entertainment in watching the pundits slam on the breaks and reverse course in light of that poll number.
hueyplong
Lost in a lot of this talk about more flamboyant stuff is the fact that one of Trump’s answers about Syria really made him sound like a Russian stooge.
Watching on tv at home, Putin probably said “Bring out the gimp.”
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Heh. He looks like the Frankenstein monster with his arms stiff at his sides like that.
Villago Delenda Est
@Shalimar: NR is a classic moran.
Fuzz
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:
Yeah, the media seems to be in some kind of denial about this. The man is running on a platform that includes forcibly deporting millions, committing large scale war crimes in the Mid East, and silencing his political opposition, and yet has attracted millions of voters. Years ago when the Greeks had Golden Dawn in their Parliament everyone judged them and said it couldn’t happen here. It obviously could and still might. And just think of how economic angst and a never ending colonial war is all it took to get us to this point.
Run, Lillian!
@lamh36: That is so fucking creepy.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: NR’s not great with the numbers thing. Sorry to hear you’re suffering from the same mallity that I’m suffering. I’m off to Target to get some more drugs in a few.
WarMunchkin
Don’t really understand why so many liberals think Trump won or drew this debate. The guy made about as much sense as Sarah Palin, except he went the opposite direction regarding Russia. I mean, he literally said, “I have no idea about Russia or anything involving the inner workings of Russia”. Among the rest of the highlights, completely whiffing the response to a Muslim-American on Islamophobia.
John Weiss
@Fuzz: Welcome, Grasshopper.
dr. bloor
@lamh36: Reminds me of this one. File under, WTF?
lamh36
@Cacti: they did of course have to mention that 65% said Trump did better than expected…and YET still 57% said he lost
hovercraft
@psycholinguist:
When they were applauding her ability to gish gallop, Chuck Todd had to add that she is a truly good person. Asshole, good people don’t support sociopaths for president.
mike in dc
Yeah, although there are some talking heads trying to spin a Trump win, the instapolls don’t support that, and the focus groups are a mixed bag(Luntz–Trump won; CNN–Clinton won).
danielx
@Fuzz:
Check out The Authoritarians, by Bob Altemeyer. Things will start falling into place with such loud clicks people will hear them.
amk
Cacti
@Villago Delenda Est:
NR is a Trumpkin.
Mike J
Run, Lillian!
@ellie: Snap polls will save us from the idiot punditry. PHEW. Won CNN and YouGov.
Baud
@WarMunchkin: Trump’s base is happy. Some liberals measure success by the other side’s misery.
Lizzy L
@lamh36: No — no, Nigel, he didn’t dominate her. Sorry to disappoint you. FFS, guy, go take a cold shower.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Villago Delenda Est: absolutely, if there are creepers in Congress and you have evidence– she says this happened to “other women”– let the chips fall where they will. Wasn’t it Kirstin Gellibrand who fingered one of the centenarian senators from Hawai’i who is no longer with us?
SenyorDave
@JMG: I am tired and am going to bed, but there would be some entertainment in watching the pundits slam on the breaks and reverse course in light of that poll number.
Actually, this is one time where the pundits didn’t seem too fond of Trump’s performance from the get-go (I’m excluding the Jeffrey Lord types). The “locker room” analogy did not go over well with anyone.
He played to his base, but I can’t imagine too many undecided moving to him.
Baud
@amk: That’s awesome.
Cacti
@lamh36:
The bar for Trump had dropped so low, if he didn’t grab Clinton’s lady bits he did better than expected.
Jess
I was surprised Trump did as well as he did–that was a remarkably disciplined and focused performance for him–and so I’m even more surprised (and pleased) that the pundits are happily tearing him apart for his “you’d be in jail” remarks. Perhaps they’re finally done with normalizing his lunacy. One can only hope…
jl
@Run, Lillian!: Wandering around the stage acting out-of-it and creepy at a debate townhall didn’t work so well when McCain tried it. Of course, McCain looked 90 percent out-of-it and 10 percent creepy. Sounds like Trump reversed the proportions.
I guess it is an out-of-shape bitter elderly man’s idea of acting ‘high energy’ and ‘in charge’.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Actually, this makes me happy — it looks like a blackmail threat towards Senate Republicans who might want to repudiate Trump.
Republican civil war is the BEST kind of war! ?
Major Major Major Major
@WarMunchkin:
We’re scaredy-cat worry-warts used to sucking. We are not accustomed to a competent campaign with a compelling message and coherent strategy.
OGLiberal
Bob effing Schieffer actually expressed disgust at the investigate Hillary thing, said it’s banana republic stuff. Bob effing Schieffer.
Chris
@Luthe:
What I’ve always loved about the “but there are starving children in Africa!” argument is that it’s only one side of the coin; “but there are starving children in Africa!” is what they say if you suggest that anyone do anything to help starving children in America, but as soon as you suggest doing anything to help starving children in Africa, they’ll switch right to “but there are starving children here! Shouldn’t we fix our problems before fixing someone else’s?”
You could almost be forgiven for thinking that the bottom line is that they think starving children everywhere should just go fuck themselves because they don’t want to spend the money.
Percysowner
@BR: I registered voters on Friday and I signed up to do it again tomorrow.
amk
@WarMunchkin: because many are gullible enough to buy emmessem gopee spin.
Roger Moore
@cokane:
But I thought we were supposed to hate Latin Americans, not try to emulate them.
lamh36
@jbarro
Kellyanne Conway notes she’s been alone with Trump many times and he has never assaulted her.
Trying to not be petty here…
Emma
@srv: She’s a good Christian and an excellent politician but she’s not a miracle worker.
MomSense
@Mnemosyne:
This one of him is super scary.
.
Mike J
@lamh36:Nigel might want to rethink that silverback comment.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
What the fuck is a Mel Robbins? what fucking adult needs either someone to inspire them to be better than Trump, or needs a stranger on TV to inspire their children. That’s really pathetic
Cacti
Best summary I’ve seen:
One candidate came off as Presidential, one came off as Donald Trump.
WaterGirl
@OGLiberal:
Amazing. It’s the end of the world as we know it.
Mnemosyne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Phrasing!
hovercraft
@Baud:
I’m happy that they are happy, he’ll get validation on social media and know he can win, so he’ll never surrender.
lamh36
Comrade Luke
Like it or not, she didn’t put him away. He’s an incompetent, incoherent clown, and yet she’s incapable of finishing him.
amk
lamh36
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mnemosyne: D’oh!
So much for Trump winning, BriWi of all people is bringing us back to the Billy Bush tapes. and what @lamh36: said
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne: I’m glad someone else mentioned that. I thought it was just me – I cannot hear that word without flashing back to a concert where the woman in front of me stood on the chair all night where she was being finger fucked by the guy she was with. Right at my eye level. shudder.
tobie
@psycholinguist: but, but, but , chuck Todd says she’s a terrific person. I was wondering where the hell this sanctimonious comment came from. Tweety and Toddles seem to be unusually fond of the ice witch.
Mnemosyne
@MomSense:
Ha!
More seriously, I remember seeing the Secret Service guys who came running up when some animal rights activists charged forward at one of her speeches. They’ve got this.
amk
@Comrade Luke: she didn’t have to do any such wishful thinking of yours.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Comrade Luke: The RNC is telling down ticket candidates to fend for themselves, internal polls all say it’s even worse than public polls that show him losing. He’s already put away.
Bill
A bit lost in this shitshow, but he flat out denied assaulting women. What’s the over/under on number of days before a woman comes forward and says he assaulted her?
jl
@WaterGirl:
When I’ve heard ol’ Bob Schieffer.poke his head out of retirement, he has been in his ‘Aw shucks, I’ve never seen anything like this. I don’t know what to make of it. It’s just… I dunno” (paraphrase). Crap like that coming from what passes these days as a high eminence of broadcast journalism.
But Schieffer is shrewder than most and keeps his nose in the air sniffing out opportunities to take a bold stand. So, out of the rumble of his blather, you get bold stands like that from Schieffer once in awhile. I think when he senses it is safe to say and he can get some brave and bold brownie points.
Lizzy L
@Comrade Luke: “incapable” — I do not think that word means what you think it means.
jk
“Trump lost his goddamned mind in this debate.”
But Tim, Jake Tapper and Chuck Todd said Trump got better as the debate progressed and Gloria Borger said Hillary came across as stiff
Bill E Pilgrim
@OGLiberal:
Don’t cross the streams! Schieffer criticizing a Republican, dogs and cats, living together…. what is the world coming to?
hovercraft
@lamh36:
Not for nothing Kellyanne, but you look a little too shop worn for his taste. Believe me that applies to me too, but that proves nothing. Put a 20 to 35 year old skinny blond in a room alone with him and lets see what happens, then come talk to me.
Major Major Major Major
I really felt like Trump was about to cry at the beginning.
WaterGirl
@Comrade Luke: I am not Hillary’s biggest fan, but she impressed the hell out of me tonight. She was poised and in control, no matter what Trump said or did.
I am someone who hasn’t been able to listen to more than a minute of Hillary at at time in years, maybe decades, and I watched the whole thing. So I’d say she did an awful lot right tonight.
I thought the only lame thing was her “well, Lincoln said different things to different people” bullshit. That’s one thing out of 90 minutes with Trump baiting her and trying to intimidate her. I thought it was impressive.
Bill E Pilgrim
Tweety, Tapper, and Chuck Todd lost the debate.
celticdragonchick
@Comrade Luke:
He has a hard floor of 40% THAT WILL NOT LEAVE HIM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
How is she supposed to put him away in a debate? He looked and sounded like a buffoon the entire time while she looked and sounded like a President. What else is she supposed to do? This is a fundamental problem in our own electorate.
Mnemosyne
@WaterGirl:
I heard that REM song again last week, and damned if Trump isn’t name-checked in it. Who knew Michael Stipe was psychic?
Also, eeeeewwwwww to your concert story. I frickin’ hate exhibitionists.
jl
@hovercraft: I thought you were a guy. But then, I thought Baud was real, not virtual, so what do I know?
Edit: you folks are being unfair to Conway. She has definitely established that Trump doesn’t assault every women he comes across. Gotta make up for the rapey tapey brags somehow, bit by bit.
celticdragonchick
@Bill E Pilgrim:
I like Bob as a news guy, but he has always had a bad case of MBF.
amk
BillinGlendaleCA
@hovercraft:
That was Kellyanne 20 years ago.
jk
Chuck Todd and Chris Matthews don’t have the guts or brains to condemn Trump, instead they wring their hands and say that “America lost tonight”. They should rot in Hell.
Roger Moore
@Bill:
The accusations are already out there, so it had better be a big negative number.
WaterGirl
@jl: Interesting. I stopped watching the sunday shows 8 years ago, so I haven’t seen him in a very long time.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne: “It’s the End of the World”.
BTW: Did you see the sunset tonight, amazing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Everyone on MSNBC is saying, that video hasn’t gone away. No one is mentioning that absurd and grotesque press conference
ETA: Rachel Maddow calls Giuliani “a little bit off.. nuts!”
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Oddly, I feel like asking what your problem with her is? You’ve said it a number of times. Poney up.
WaterGirl
@Major Major Major Major: I think his drugs didn’t quite kick in at the right time. All that adrenaline can compete with the drugs. He did not look good at the beginning, and all that rambling… yikes. He did get less bad after that, unless you count the stalking.
jk
Chris Matthews – Rudy Giuliani and James Carville are 2 Baghdad Bobs.
How did this clueless moron get hired to be an aide to Tip O’Neill and Jimmy Carter?
Dork
@Jess: You watched a completely diff debate than I. I saw a man constantly berate his oppenent on every opportunity, no matter what the question was. A clueless on Syria and Russia clown. And he basically called our military idiots. Just amateur hour on stage. Rude, dickish, lying.
Lyrebird
My (awesome) dad was wondering today what the poll numbers would show if you split the white male numbers according to one other question: “do you have a daughter?”
divF
@jl: hovercraft is a 40-something African-American woman, if I recall correctly. The reason I remember is the sense of cognitive dissonance I felt when I found out that hovercraft was not John Cleese commenting in a heavy Central-European accent.
RedDirtGirl
@dr. bloor: OMG. Obama looks about 25!
Helen
Rachel about Rudy G “He seems nuts.” ROFL.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Bill:
Negative 19 years.
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne: Boy, he must be psychic! Thanks for commiserating on the concert story. still shuddering, ugh.
Major Major Major Major
@WaterGirl: I agree. It was weird. Ugh.
jl
@WaterGirl: I mostly avoid them too, unless a special reason to listen. Schieffer gets a few minutes air time on CBS news channels every couple of weeks to share his insights, such as and such like “I don’t know what to make of all this.”
I got criticized here for dong Schieffer in his Southern dialect a while back, before he retired. I regret doing that now. Because putting him in dialect gave the BS he spews, most of the time, too much dignity. The full of vapidity of his commentary is clouded if you put in dialect. Except, as I said above, once in awhile he senses a good time to take a rare bold stand and actually say something.
BillinGlendaleCA
@jk: To be fair, he was a junior speechwriter for President Carter.
maeve
@WaterGirl:
That was actually one of the truer moments of the “debate” – yeah, Lincoln was a politician (surprize!)
I go with RuPaul on this:
I’m with the baddass bitch.
Keith P.
@jk: I keep hearing his “I like people with fire in their belly” commercial so many times (I have an international MSNBC feed, so they don’t run actual commercials), that his voice makes me nauseous. And very unserious hair :)
WaterGirl
@jl:
Glad it wasn’t just me!
WaterGirl
@BillinGlendaleCA: She looks in the mirror and sees herself as 25. Reality hasn’t caught up with her yet.
hovercraft
@Cacti:
Also too the people polled were smart enough to distinguish between beating expectations, and actually winning the debate. Yes he didn’t shit himself, but he still didn’t know anything so he lost. For the media to say he didn’t convert anyone, but he won is stupid.
Chris
@WaterGirl:
I wouldn’t say “biggest fan” describes me either, though I did vote for her in the primary, but my sympathy and fondness for her have only been climbing up, up, and up as I watch the way she deals with Drumpf.
Lord, and I thought Obama’s eight years were a nasty time. Hillary’s been putting up with this shit for twenty-five years, and there’s four and (knock on wood) maybe eight years of it to come on top of that.
amk
@Dork: Yup, that was my takeaway too.
dr. bloor
@lamh36:
“…although he did ask me several times whether I had any daughters.”
jl
@WaterGirl: Probably the handle. I imagined a rough tough Southern dude in some kind of swamp buggy zipping through the ‘glades or a military guy in some whizz bang high tech personnel transport.
But then, I thought raven was a high toned old lady who swore a lot when I first came here. I am very bad at guessing what anonymous commenters are in real life.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@jk: I’ve seen it said that Bill Clinton has a lost a step, more than a step, because of the seriousness of his heart condition and the invasiveness of the surgery it required (Letterman had similar surgery and came out nice… but I digress). I’m asking, not saying, but I’ve heard that diabetes can sometimes cause a similar change in personality/psychological make up? I think he also had a pretty severe bout with malaria a few years ago. I don’t know if that would cause a glitch in his software, but whatever the cause, he’s had one. I used to read his old print column, and the way he morphed into, as one of his anonymous producers put it, Archie Bunker with a dye job, was a surprise when he started going on TV.
Cacti
Interesting cross tab from the Yougov snap poll:
Women thought Clinton won, 50-38
Men thought Trump won, 46-43.
Draw what conclusions you will.
Lizzy L
@maeve: I love it. I’m with the badass bitch too.
Aleta
Lest they forget that he wants to jail them too.
Keith P.
Whoa, check out Tiffany do the “No kissing, Tic-Tac or not!”
sukabi
@Lizzy L: farage is probably a “ladies man” just like drumpf, thinks the failed intimidation tactics were smart moves.
amk
@Cacti: If she is keeping it that close with ‘men’, mission accomplished.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Ugh, Richard Engel, whom I usually like, introduces his debate critique by talking about how both sides made it such a sad day for the United State, his actual critiques are both of Trump, on Russia and Syria.
Mnemosyne
I found Trump’s long-lost twin.
Joel
@hovercraft: Mark Cavendish won four stages at the Tour De France this year…
But he didn’t win the Tour.
Barbara
@BillinGlendaleCA: Or Rep. Livingston or Gingrich. No doubt others as well.
Jess
@Dork: Yes. And I was expecting even worse. He did manage to speak in complete sentences most of the time, and he didn’t look as coked up as he did in the last debate. And he didn’t actually assault anybody, although he sure looked like he wanted to. As I said, a remarkably disciplined performance for him. Almost acceptable by MSM standards.
sukabi
@Keith P.: THAT is a well practiced move.
MomSense
@Mnemosyne: ?
BlueDWarrior
@Jess: Anyone who says Trump ‘won’ was basically expecting him to literally have a nervous breakdown on the floor, and the fact he didn’t do it (he might have been on Xanax or something) was like “well both sides disagree, and Clinton didn’t knock him out, so let’s call it a gentleman’s draw”
And of course that god awful press conference and the tape from Friday was still not ‘erased’.
Mike J
? Martin
@sukabi: Yeah, there’s a story there.
mike in dc
Jesus. Tweety has 3 consecutive Republicans, 2 of them Trump surrogates.
SenyorDave
How the hell does Corey Lewandowski have a job with CNN? He is 100% on board with Trump’s locker room talk, he sounds like he still works for the Trump campaign.
jl
@hovercraft:
” For the media to say he didn’t convert anyone, but he won is stupid. ”
Huh.. Josh Marshall agrees with you. Trump played to his base, and maybe could be said to have won on those terms, but doesn’t mean much for the election. I like Marshall’s title.
In The Abuser’s House
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/in-the-abusers-house
Edit: just not enough white racists and scared or bitter white authoritarians left to help poor Mr. Trump. But, he got his message out tonight, and those people won’t be able to process fact that hordes of voters suddenly were told the truth, but will not come running out to put Trump in the WH.
Oldgold
He lost tonight and will lose to a greater degree in tomorrow’s coverage.
He did fire up his deplorable base, which will allow him to resist calls fot him to step down.That is good news for HC.
Aleta
I think at this point he is not expecting to win, and instead trying to inflict maximum damage to her presidency. If I can’t have it I will break it.
hovercraft
@divF:
You remember correctly, but I’m barely clinging to the 40 something. Sigh.
jk
@BillinGlendaleCA: @Jim, Foolish Literalist: @Keith P.:
With respect to cable news, I think the late media critic Danny Schechter was basically correct when he said “the more you watch, the less you know”
CNN has covered itself in so much shit with the frequent appearances from Jeffrey Lord, Corey Lewandowski, and Kaleigh McEnany that it will never be able to eradicate the stench.
Villago Delenda Est
@WarMunchkin: As far as the pundits are concerned, to keep the beat up nag that is the Horse Race narrative, the Most Sacred Narrative, alive, it was necessary for Drumpf to at least tie. So they’re going to say that no matter how badly he tossed word salad in the last 45 minutes.
amk
@Jess: You’ll be in jail is ‘a remarkably disciplined performance’ how?
PhoenixRising
@shomi: Yup.
Dope: Roped. Check!
danielx
@jl:
And isn’t that just special? Most people of my acquaintance seem to go months, even years, without committing felonious actions, but it appears that not assaulting every woman he comes across is considered setting a pretty high bar for the orange shitweasel.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@srv: Yes, to bad Hillary is merely human and not the Messiah. Meanwhile your voting to pimp your wife to a deranged narcissist.
hueyplong
@Oldgold: I agree. Trump failed to get back into the race in the sense of having a shot at victory, but stays alive to continue the GOP civil war.
Win win for us.
hovercraft
@Cacti:
Men like that whole lurkie menacy thing, and women don’t for some reason.
BlueDWarrior
@Oldgold: That’s exactly what tonight was about. Now the RNC is completely leashed to Trump vis a vis needing his base to win downticket elections. They can either go down with the S.S. Trump, or jump into the shark infested waters with a bunch of rickety, and possibly leaking lifeboats.
Quite a Sophie’s Choice Reince and others face right now.
Lizzy L
@shomi: Yes, I caught that too. Interesting. A verbal accusation can be easily dismissed; if it’s financials, it needs to be something on paper. Wouldn’t that be fun!
Mike J
@jk:
Forget the critics, U of MD actually did a study that showed it was true of Fox viewers.
Major Major Major Major
My main takeaway from the debate is that undecided voters are the sort of idiots who think “say something nice about each other” is a good debate topic.
piratedan
and what is completely forgotten in everything that was “discovered” in this data dump, we find out that Trump hasn’t paid Federal taxes in like forever.
Ok, he’s being audited for this year, how about last year’s taxes? or the year before that? maybe 2010?
Mai.naem.mobile
Schaeffer is a good friend of the Bushes so not surprised at his response. I also think the Access Hollywood tape and some of the opportunity coming out is related to the Bushes. I am sure Jenna Bush knows some teevee people from her job,not to mention all the former Bush people who are on teevee. Not to mention Bush Senior was head of the CIA. BTW Ivanka did not look good today. And,Melania,i am guessing is preparing for a possible divorce if Trump loses.
jk
@SenyorDave:
“How the hell does Corey Lewandowski have a job with CNN?”
Blame it on CNN president Jeff Zucker. He’s an old pal of Trump.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: I just didn’t like her. Really didn’t like her. I have always been liberal, but a decade ago I watched the sunday morning shows religiously, so maybe I bought into all the lies? Of course, back then I liked the NYT and I really liked Tim Russert and I cried when he died, so there’s that. I thought I was pretty well informed, but looking back I suspect I wasn’t quite as well informed as I thought. That would probably be an understatement.
That all stopped about 8 years ago, thank goodness. Getting involved in the Obama campaign, turning off the sunday shows, getting my news NOT from the mainstream media, were all pivotal things for me. Now I probably have 3 or 4 issues with Clinton (some bad decisions on her part, too cozy with bankers, concerns about foreign policy, some bad feelings from racist stuff in 2008, etc).
But the main point of my previous comment wasn’t that I’m not her biggest fan – my point was that she impressed me tonight. I have a much more positive view of her than I did a few months ago. I’ve made a concerted effort to try to see her in a different light than I did previously, trying to be more objective. Her choosing Kaine was a pivotal point for me – my first reaction was quite negative and then I had to do a bit of soul searching after I was reminded of what a good guy I thought Kaine was in 2007/2008.
burnspbesq
@Lizzy L:
Do people actually rule out the possibility that Trump would submit false documents to the Federal government? If so, why?
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
They were previously “undecided.” You know, the Common Clay of the New West.
jl
@danielx: I guess you hang with the betas.
I see the ‘just locker room talk’ line was trotted out by Rudy and others. I ransacked my memory for hearing talk like that. I do now remember some dude in college in room of just guys bragging how he just grabbed chicks he was having sex with and made them do stuff, even if they protested. Why ask when you can just make them do what you want” was his brag. I remember stunned silence, not admiration. No yucks no congratulations. the guy got no status. I won’t go into the gory details. but he sensed that he wasn’t getting the bro status he thought his brag would get, so he tried to explain. And there was silence, and finally one guy said ‘So, dude, you rape ducks too’ People didn’t want him around. What if someone you knew in the dorm started going out with him. Man, you’d have to take her aside and warn her about shit that might happen. No one wanted the guy around. His brags were gross, and he just was a big problem waiting to happen.
BlueDWarrior
@Major Major Major Major: The Mainstream Media is so hellbent on finding those unicorns of the perfectly politically moderate undecided voter every election, that they completely lose sight that most undecideds are that way in October because they are horribly politically misinformed or just that apathetic/disaffected.
Aleta
@Mnemosyne: yellowed skin, check. lifeless eyes, check. turgid walk, check. inner heaving, check. walking nightmare, check.
Mike J
@Mai.naem.mobile: Why didn’t Jeb! use all this stuff a year ago?
divF
@hovercraft: Well, make sure that, the day when you cross over to 50, you comment to that effect here. These folks do good birthday greetings.
hovercraft
@jl:
Josh has been very good this election, glad I’m in such good company. Stupid pundits are stupid. Funny on msnbc, the POC all seem to view the debate in line with most of us here, but the whites all think he did well.
Interesting.
Elie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Richard Engel has been a horrible, judgmental neocon for the last at least two years. He was not that way before Obama was in the WH, but he has become progressively more ass hole. I question everything he says…
Turgidson
@Jean:
They never remember that Trump demolished their “deep bench” of current and former governors and senators and Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina. If those morons couldn’t beat this moron, why would any of them be shoo-ins to beat Hillary? Those people lost to Donald f’ing Trump. Donald.Trump. They weren’t going to beat Hillary freakin Clinton if they couldn’t beat Donald.Trump.
Lyrebird
@hovercraft: Thank you I needed that!
Keep on rocking 40-something and on and on!
jk
@Mike J:
Where in the world is Chris Christie?
amk
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mai.naem.mobile: I’m sure if Billy and Jenna knew this could take Trump down, it wouldn’t have taken this long. I’m also inclined to agree with those who say HRC has not fired the last missile from her oppo file, as with @piratedan: this kind of stuff that may have been forgotten by cable-bots, Robbie Mook and whoever Clitnon’s top people are caught it and are working on something even on the plane.
I wonder if the terms of his will were part of the prenup. If so, I think she’ll wait for obesity, immobility and junk food to fund he retirement.
RealityBites
It was soooo creepy the way he lurked around HRC and got in her personal space and tried to intimidate her. Maybe she was wearing Ivanka’s favorite perfume? //
WaterGirl
@maeve: That was good. What timeframe was that quote from?
I could not believe Trump tonight – it appears that he thinks a senator can just do whatever s/he pleases – like you get to decide all that on your own. I guess you don’t need things to pass in the senate and the house and send it to conference and then maybe have to override a veto. He truly is authoritarian – you just decide what you want and it’s done!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Steve Schmidt back on MSNBC, with his former right hand Nicole Wallace. Snakehead Caravelle remains the only professional Democrat I’ve seen them talk to– I haven’t been watching consistently
SFAW
@WaterGirl:
Wait — did “jl” also think you are a guy?
Vhh
@Baud: so happy that Trump will stay in running, allowing the Dems to have a shot at disemboweling the GOP. HRC et al are that smart.
WaterGirl
@jl:
I laughed out loud at that one!
Jess
@amk: My point was that the pundits could look at his improved performance and claim that now the Emperor’s clothes were looking more tailored, but instead they zeroed in on his threatening behavior–finally! Don’t think for a second that I was praising him as disciplined by normal standards. He just seemed less disastrous by crackhead standards. Josh Marshall has a similar take.
Lit3Bolt
@Turgidson:
Yes, but Trump makes it hard on a BOTHSIDESDOIT pimp.
Keith P.
@dr. bloor: Except she’s over 35, which Trump said is bye-bye time. And that’s not even guessing what Trump rates her at.
jl
@hovercraft: Are they talking to just uncommitted people? Not sure I care what people like that think at this point in this election.
hovercraft
@BlueDWarrior:
That’s what Chuckles said, Trump really fired up the crazies, and they will be more enamored of him than ever, because he finally said what Rush has been telling them about the Clintons for 25 years to their faces. They love him, but the rest of the country will see that as crazy talk and hate it. So all the downballot candidates are fucked, because the base will punish anyone who turns on him, but the base is not enough to win. Either way they are fucked. Ryan and Rinse Pubis are in the most difficult position.
SFAW
@RealityBites:
Did Deadbeat Donnie try to grab Hillary’s ass and I missed it?
polyorchnid octopunch
@WaterGirl: I think that had to more to do with the coke wearing off.
jl
@SFAW: Even I can figure ‘WaterGirl’ out. But now watch while WaterGirls ID’s as a guy just to mess with me.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
anybody watch the second epode of Westward? Should I bother?
ETA:
maybe because I missed the “you should be in jail” part, I thought this was a pretty standard debate, considering who was in it
Run, Lillian!
@Keith P.: Tiffany Trump is the best Trump. Thanks to Marla, she grew up far outside the cult of Donald.
JR in WV
@rk:
Because back in 2008 the Obamas and Clinton were at war for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, and said nasty things about who was more qualified for the job.
So there’s no way, while working as perhaps the most important appointment Obama made as Sec State, Hillary got to know both Obamas, and become friends with them. Unpossibles, you see!!
Just ask anyone, no one who competes with someone ever makes up afterwards to work together on important stuff, and becomes real friends. Never!
WaterGirl
@Major Major Major Major: Did you hear the audience clap when they heard the final debate question? I keep wanting to use the word ugh tonight. I wonder why.
Barbara
@WaterGirl: Stalking puts him in familiar territory and calms him down. I am not joking.
NJ Maine Coon Slave
@celticdragonchick: This is what leads to President Camacho.
amk
@Jess: Again, there was nothing improved or disciplined about his performance. As usual, he went off in tangents, repeated his campaign shtick of lies and CT’s and didn’t answer one single question coherently. He did not have a melt-down is not an improvement.
SFAW
@jl:
So I figured. I was just playing Mickey-the-Dunce. [A role for which I am especially well-suited, by the way.]
Jim, Foolish Literalist
just watching clips: “ISIS is doing so well against us”
What the fuck?
Nom de Plume
@Villago Delenda Est:
I just wanted to mention that I really enjoy your comments. Especially this one.
jl
@JR in WV: That is toddler level thinking. Which may be why the pundits and fake news analysts and news actors eat that shit up.
Lizzy L
@burnspbesq: I think Trump routinely scams every regulatory agency he possibly can. However, I’m thinking that his accountant is not going to want to sign an obviously fraudulent tax return — as opposed to one which takes the most aggressively client-friendly position — and that his bankers are not going to accept wholly implausible statements when he requests a loan, given his track record. People have been saying for weeks that he’s being financed by Russian banks. There must be something in writing.
Keith P.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: You mean Westworld? I’ve been hooked already (so much after ep 1 that I went and watched the movie, which was surprisingly kickass for a 40-year-old flick. It looks like James Cameron mined the hell out of it for ideas)
The stuff with the maze has me very intrigued. I hope that they don’t drag out the discovery of it beyond this season, though.
OzarkHillbilly
@burnspbesq:
I don’t know why anyone would think that. It has already been established that he did do that with the state of NY.
sukabi
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: don’t think Billy Bush really thought anything was “off” with those tapes or drumpfs behavior… Last Week Tonight did a thing on the tapes, and then to illustrate the relationship / access Bush had with drumpf, very chummy, and creepy.
Mnemosyne
@Jess:
Yep. This time, Trump lost by 75 yards instead of 100 yards and some idiot pundits think that’s a “win.”
jl
@Nom de Plume: Well, to be fair, Trump said he didn’t know squat about Russia. The media stars sensed a natural affinity. They want a guy like them to do well. Unconscious bias at work.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Keith P.: I did, just about to dial it up, giving up on MSNBC pushing Nichole Wallace out of the chair for Joy Reid and putting Chris Hayes in Williams’.
ETA” @sukabi: two losers fawning over each other, so much to say about that weird fucking debate, all overshadowed by the celebration of sexual assault and the subsequent giggling
NJ Maine Coon Slave
@SenyorDave: He appears to be on some kind of amphetamine.
WaterGirl
@SFAW: No, the other way around! I thought hovercraft was a guy. I figure the Girl in WaterGIrl is kind of a giveaway.
jl
@WaterGirl: Whew! thanks.
WaterGirl
@polyorchnid octopunch: You could be right. Seriously, you could be right.
NotMax
@Lizzy L
Hell, it’s been reported that his own lawyers will meet with him only in pairs, to have a witness when he later lies about what went on in the meeting.
NoraLenderbee
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
James Carville?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@NoraLenderbee: Yeah, I don’t think he’s worth correcting the auto correct, like Chuck Schemer and Tim Russet.
@NotMax: that’s really interesting, and it means he pays double for legal advice!
CaseyL
Part of me really wishes Hillary had gone for an “accidental” elbow to the gut while Trump was looming behind her. Actually, a pretty large part of me wishes she had.
I wouldn’t have minded if she had demolished him in more conventionally acceptable ways, either. I would love to see the GOP frantically try to scrape him off the ticket. Any day Trump has a better than Absolute Zero chance of being elected is terrifying. My cats are more fit to be President than him. In fact, your average slime mold is more fit to be President than him.
This campaign… the way Trump and his supporters have normalized white supremacy, violence and retribution as ordinary parts of politics, shit-for-brains ignorance, non-stop lying, and all the rest of it… has just sickened me.
NJ Maine Coon Slave
@BlueDWarrior: I think it is absolutely delicious!
hovercraft
@SFAW:
I used to be a lurker, but we already had a couple of those, and generally speaking water craft are referred to as female, so I became a hovercraft.
Study it out people.
jk
For the first time in Foreign Policy’s nearly 50-year history, it has endorsed a candidate for president: Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.
WaterGirl
@Barbara: Interesting! When I need to calm myself down I say things like this to myself: “it’s okay, you can do this”. Trump? Hey, I know, I’ll try to physically and psychologically intimidate someone.
SFAW
@WaterGirl:
Yes, I know. See my comment at 261
How so?
? Martin
Trump campaign now bragging on Twitter that he’d lock her up if elected. That’s what got Nixon impeached.
Redshift
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Nearly everything Trump said was an article of faith from wingnut world that has no connection to reality. There, they’re certain Obama isn’t fighting ISIS at all, and they’re rolling over our allies everywhere.
JR in WV
@Cacti:
So before the debate his focus group had 17 people in it, and after the debate he had 22 people in his focus group?????
I’m thinking he’s doing it all wrong~!!!! Wait, Name is Luntz? oh, ok….. I know he’s doing it his way, not the right way.
NoraLenderbee
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m an editor, so I had to make sure that it wasn’t an accidental typo. If it’s intentional, np.
Lizzy L
@NotMax: Huh. I missed that. What a piece of work the man is.
Keith P.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’s got some great, great actors in it, for sure. Anthony Hopkins, Jeffrey Wright, Evan Rachel Wood(!), Thandie Newton, Liam McPoyle.
Look for the character Lee Sizemore, who says “FUCK” in a hilariously British way quite a bit. I just wish I could binge-watch it, because the slow build is killing me (where’s the white church? what is the black steeple?
Where is the maze?What is the maze?)jl
@hovercraft: Makes sense. But I thought you were a rough tough southern dude and was planning on asking you for some tips on swamp camping. But, maybe you are into slogging through cypress swamps… I dunno.
As I said, I am very bad at trying to guess what commenters here are in real life.
hovercraft
@jl:
I meant the talking heads on msnbc, Eugene Robinson, Joy Reid, and Maria Teresa Kumar all thought that Trump lost unequivocally, but all the others thought that Trump did well, and said that it wasn’t a clear cut win either way.
psycholinguist
10 days Donald gets to stew while hearing about every real poll say he got his ass kicked, again, by a woman he hates. He isn’t going to make it.
Redshift
@NotMax: It hasn’t just been reported. It’s in sworn testimony from one of his lawyers from 1990.
WaterGirl
@SFAW:
I was just checking to see if I could fool you by capitalizing G and the I.I knew you were being silly, I was playing along.SFAW
@hovercraft:
Thanks for the explanation.
Of course, to many of us here — OK, maybe only to me — when your name appears, Auto-Complete add “full of eels.” Which is neither here nor there, of course.
jl
@hovercraft: Well, those are rich white pundits on TV. That is a very weird demo. They’ll say anything for money, most of the time.
slag
@WaterGirl: @Chris: I count myself with you on not being the biggest fan, but I have to say that the With Her podcast she does is very much worth a listen.
If you want to break your brain, try to overlay what you hear on the podcast with the Republican/media image of Hillary. Personally, I’ve come to the conclusion that either she is absolutely the most adept psychopath to have ever walked planet earth or her image is extremely disconnected from her reality. I, for one, have been unable to find a middle ground between those two options.
SFAW
@WaterGirl:
Oh. OK. I’ll blame the late hour, and Trump rotting my brain, for not being able to pick up on it.
hovercraft
@CaseyL:
I think she should have “stumbled” past him and kneed him in the balls.
Jess
@Mnemosyne: Exactly. Except more called him out this time than I had hoped for. My expectations are so low that this tiny shift in the right direction was enough to amaze me.
WaterGirl
@hovercraft: I guess she could have just grabbed his balls and said “I wanted to grab your pussy” just to see what it’s like, since you spoke so highly of that.
Aleta
@Barbara: Same here: he fell into an unsure gap of what to do to stay dominant while she talked, and reverted to a familiar body pattern. Anger took the wheel.
SFAW
@hovercraft:
Not disagreeing, but I think it might have been more fun if she had grabbed him — either in a “strategic location,” or not — and then saying, as a means of apology, “I see what you mean about grabbing a pu$$y.”
Motherfucker would have freaked.
ETA: Damn! Late to the show again. (Shakes fist ineffectually at WaterGirl.)
hovercraft
@jl:
No I’m your stereotypical black person who does not understand why white people leave the comfort of their beds to go sleep in the wilderness. I’m fine with hiking and all that, but at the end of the day I need to be back indoors.
Tom Q
Everybody notice how quickly NR hightailed it out of here when the CNN debate poll showed up? For two weeks, he/she hasn’t been able to find a spinnably bad moment for Hillary, and he/she thought one had finally arrived, till numbers decreed otherwise.
Honestly, I think this debate was fine from Hillary’s point of view (I mean politically — substantively, of course she clobbered him). The past few days had been so dire for Trump, it carried eerie echoes of the last days of the Nixon presidency, and, however logistically impossible it seems to dump him, a catastrophic debate tonight might have somehow led to that. Trump did just well enough tonight that the party is irrevocably stuck with him, which is exactly what Team Clinton and all of us should want.
AxelFoley
@NR:
LOL You get more and more pathetic as this election season goes on.
JR in WV
@hovercraft:
I’m 65 suddenly. Don’t worry too much, it doesn’t hurt that bad. And the changes are really slow, so you don’t notice them. Then one day you need to scurry out of the way of the bus coming around the corner – Yikes!!!
kidding, mostly… ;-)
Keith P.
Tim Kaine interrupts Pence more than vice-versa, so Kaine loses the debate. Trump interrupts Clinton almost exclusively, and Trump wins by not launching his chair into the crowd and audibly farting.
WaterGirl
@SFAW: I may have gotten there first, but your wording was better than mine:
“I see what you mean about grabbing a pu$$y.”
SFAW
@WaterGirl:
Much obliged. For a lot of guys, being called a pu$$y is about as close to dropping the gloves as it gets. Not as bad as “the c-word” used to/for/about a woman, by any stretch. And guys who have a reasonable grip on reality don’t get too bent about it.
And then, we have Deadbeat Donnie, of course.
Mike in NC
Who the fuck has ever believed anything that ever came from the idiot scumbag Frank Luntz?
JR in WV
@jl:
I was a boatswain’s mate (pronounced bosun’s mate) in the US Navy from 1970-1973, and berthed with some Jarheads too. It was like living in a locker room at a gym built in 1942, made of sheet metal, because that’s what it was. There were lots of very dirty jokes and filthy talk, but…
If we had heard that kind of rape-ish talk someone would have gotten the crap beat out of himself at 2 am in the red lights of the USN after lights out. They surely wouldn’t have had buddies to bar hop with. No one who isn’t sick talks like that, and no one who isn’t sick would put up with that shit.
We all have Mothers, for Dog’s sake, except evidently for Donny Trump, and Rudy 9-11. Some of us have many loved women in our lives. But not Trump.
hovercraft
@Mike in NC:
No one with any sense.
hovercraft
@JR in WV:
The creaking is beginning.
JR in WV
@WaterGirl:
DudeGirl, all this time I thought you were a linebacker for the K C Chiefs! You had me fooled Bigly!;-)
JR in WV
@hovercraft:
My Dad always said he would go camping with us, if we could provide ice cubes for his vodka-tonic before dinner… so I get what you’re saying.
I have friends my age (old enuff to know better) who still go backpacking in the big hills toward the Blue Ridge!! I’m too fragile for that stuff!
frosty
@JR in WV:
Six more days for me. Shit, how did this happen? I still don’t feel a day over 26! Well, except for creaking out of bed in the morning, I guess.
Villago Delenda Est
@Nom de Plume: /blushes
Thank you!
Villago Delenda Est
@JR in WV: I can vouch for same in Army, and I was in an infantry battalion for 2 years. There was a lot of discussion of sex, but nothing, NOTHING like what Donald engaged in, or, as you indicated, one would get a beating for it.
Cckids
@Poopyman:
My favorite quote was: “Let’s take off so we can all have a drink!”
Ruckus
@JR in WV:
Contgrats on making it to gezzerhood. I’ve been here a while, not as long as others, but long enough to know a bit what it feels like and looking back I’m amazed that I’ve made it past 65.
Ruckus
@JR in WV:
Agree.
Ruckus
@frosty:
You’ll get over that feeling of being 26 soon enough. You probably won’t like it but you’ll get over that too.
Caravelle
@maeve: @NoraLenderbee: No no he’s right, I’m a professional Democrat and was punditing on cable channels tonight. (jk, thank god)
Brachiator
@Tom Q:
Yep. That’s pretty much my conclusion as well. I think that Trump did well with the GOP base and also included enough Republican platform talking points to satisfy the GOP leadership.
But he also let out more of his own vision of the world, and that shit is crazy. He has a bizzaro world idea of the Syrian conflict, and no idea, none, Nada, zip, of who the various factions in the region are.
People have been commenting on his wanting to put Hillary in jail. I wonder whether he leaked future Republican strategy.
If Hillary wins, it appears that the Republicans will demand a special prosecutor to hound her and drum up an impeachment charge.
SFAW
@Villago Delenda Est:
Don’t get cocky, kid!
SFAW
@JR in WV: @frosty:
You guys don’t look a day over 62.
More or less.
MattF
@JR in WV: For me, it’s been eye and prostate problems. Not exactly cocktail party chatter, but definitely survivable.
Elvin Mcfarland
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