Apart from sweet, delicious schadenfreude, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
TRUMP: I'm down 14?
RYAN: Jesus.
TRUMP: This, I DON'T love.
RYAN: I can't believe it. I destroyed the party.
TRUMP: What, I get no credit?!— Owen Ellickson (@onlxn) October 10, 2016
Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 10, 2016
This NBC/WSJ Q is key to problem for GOP. Dismiss Trump and alienate 67% of base. Stay with him and alienate 23%. Can't afford either. pic.twitter.com/ATXnAzjJYo
— Nick Gourevitch (@nickgourevitch) October 10, 2016
It's possible the NBC/WSJ poll reflects a nadir, but in the Akin example, the snowball kept building after the initial shock…
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 10, 2016
GOP's problem is that two thirds of their voters are with Trump and want the party to stand by him. The other third apparently can't do it
— Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) October 10, 2016
Taken together, Rasmussen and NBC/WSJ represent a 6-7 point national shift in a 72 hour period.
That's pretty much unheard of nationally.
— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) October 10, 2016
Trump to PA voters: "Don't let anyone tell you you're doing well, cuz you're doing lousy!"
— Sarah McCammon NPR (@sarahmccammon) October 10, 2016
Looks like Hillary Clinton got the memo about smiling more.
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 10, 2016
Corner Stone
A month out from election day. Double digits. Trump at mid-30’s in more than one poll.
Texas?
Corner Stone
I have a friend I had to stop speaking with this election season. He is ALL CAPS convinced Hillary is a monster who stole her nomination, spit in the public’s face and cheated her way through everything in her life.
He is a single issue voter – 2nd Amendment nut. Guess who is voting for?
***SPOILER***
Stein
Baud
And these polls are before the latest debacle of a debate.
Walker
Has everyone seen the “coded” Trump tweet about voting for him will ensure a White Christmas for four years?
Baud
@Corner Stone: Is that dumber than socialists for Johnson?
Trentrunner
I wish I could quantify it precisely, but wiping the smug superior expressions off the Trumpspawn douchefaces will add another delicious layer of satisfaction to a November 8 victory cake.
Corner Stone
I am totally jonesing, baby. After massive doses of the uncut shit this last weekend I am coming down now and need my fix. This Ryan-Trump civil war shit isn’t enough of a hotshot for me, more like something that’s been stepped on one time too many.
Suzanne
I have gotten my hopes up and counted chickens too many times before (premature ejaculation) in order to feel good about this now….. but HOLY SHIT, I want them to not just lose, I am looking for epic, historic humiliation here. I want durable liberal majorities for decades here. I want the kind of defeat that makes the right wing move to…..somewhere else.
Baud
@Corner Stone: Texas would be the sweetest cherry on top.
JPL
They created the monster decades ago, with their dog whistles used to attract the white supremacists. The republicans and Paul Ryan’s choice is whether or not to disavow them. They won’t.
hueyplong
Stein’s constant attempts to drop a deuce on Hitlery are actually a good thing. They give anti-Hilz voters a place to go other than Trump, and they don’t tempt actual Democrats very much.
ThresherK
Isn’t that sorta outliery, until more polls come in?
guachi
So Trump gets about 40% in the polls.
67% of Republicans want elected Republicans to back Trump.
40% x 67% = 27%.
Coincidence?
Iowa Old Lady
@Trentrunner: I felt that way about the Mittkins too.
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady: Yep. Happiest day of my political. life. Buy it’ll be topped this November.
PaulWartenberg2016
Talk is good, but action is better.
GET THE DAMN VOTE OUT FOR HILLARY AND THE DEMOCRATS.
Corner Stone
@JPL:
I think what we’re all going to see exposed as the truth it is, is that in addition to being gutless cowards and frauds, that evangelicals are also more closely aligned with the racist reich wing than anyone wanted to enunciate before now.
Jeffro
They could have abandoned Trump way, way back in March…lose with honor, have something to build on for 2018 and 2020, etc etc. But they’re just. too. clever. and thought they could finesse this just long enough to get through Nov 8th.
And then…then they ran into Hillz (and the rest of the Democratic Justice League).
Can’t say you weren’t warned, RNC. A party with Trump at its head is no party at all…
dmsilev
Be a little cautious of that WSJ poll; they took their normal 4-day polling period and chopped it in half so they could release today, so the MOE is considerably larger than typical.
IOW, it’s OK to put the champagne on ice, but hold off uncorking it for another day or two.
Major Major Major Major
@guachi:
I think not.
Corner Stone
No Kasie Hunt. The answer is that the Clinton Camp does not give one tiny shit about either Trumps attacks on Bill’s life nor the fucking Wikileaks “dump”.
Jeffro
@PaulWartenberg2016: Yes – now more than ever.
If the Trumpkins won’t vote down ballot, and the Establishment Rs won’t vote for Trump, GOP turnout is effectively cut in half. Let’s make sure we swamp them so hard, they never forget it. I mean, I want to see Goldwater/Mondale-type EV numbers here.
Anya
@Corner Stone: He’s as bad as the undecided voters who asked questions last night but are supposedly still undecided.
? Martin
@Corner Stone: Nate has a handy what-if tool for tweaking the polls.
You need about a 8 point swing from Trump to Clinton for white women and about a 10 point increase in latino turnout and then Texas flips.
I think you need the turnout models to be pretty busted in terms of latino turnout for this to happen – which is a distinct possibility this cycle. Trump might achieve the 8 points among women.
I think at the very least Texas isn’t called the second polls close. That alone would be a huge breakthrough. If the polls hold up as these first few have with Clinton near a 10 point advantage, I think she’d start dumping money in Texas and Georgia. Lot of house races in those two states.
Major Major Major Major
One of my quietly-Republican (I think) friends from college shared some blog post on Facebook about how facebook is not the place for politics and politics is ruining facebook and you are ruining facebook with politics and how people don’t talk to political opponents any more and why don’t you all just have baby pictures already. I almost commented with the “old man yells at cloud” headline from the simpsons, but eh.
? Martin
@Baud: We’re only now getting polls that covered the tape. The debate polls are later this week. Usually 3 days in the field and 2-3 days analysis.
? Martin
@ThresherK: No, they’re actually both good pollsters. Ras usually has a GOP lean turnout model, but they’re consistent from poll to poll. If they are showing a shift of that magnitude, there’s very likely a shift of that magnitude.
Anoniminous
@ThresherK:
Yes and No. Those numbers are consistent with Real World events. It will be nice to see them confirmed over the rest of the week since GOP pollster Mike Murphy is claiming on Twitter he has seen even worse numbers from GOP internal polling.
? Martin
@dmsilev: Good catch. I missed that.
Corner Stone
@Anya: I think undecided voters say they are undecided because it’s the only small time in their lives when they can feel wanted and important.
hueyplong
What we’re really hoping for is another bad event for Trump so that we can say that whatever numbers we see in the post-debate polls “don’t even include the Tuesday bombshell.”
Eric U.
if I hear one more person say, “they’re both horrible,” I’m going to punch them in the neck
Major Major Major Major
@hueyplong: I’m sure that’ll happen :)
ETA: @Eric U.: I KNOW RIGHT I have a couple people at work like that!
trollhattan
@Suzanne:
We need “Lose Bigly” t-shirts with Tunch on the front.
PPCLI
@Walker: I saw it on one of the deadspin sites in a comment section but the rest of the thread indicated that it was a clever fake posted by a jokester known to the board regulars. Lots of “dammit I believed it until I saw it was you” type replies
piratedan
@Jeffro: the thing is, this was all set in motion back in the 60s over civil rights… boosted in the 70s when the GOP decided to bring on board the misogynists (ERA movement) and the religious zealots (abortion) and that bulked up their numbers and made them competitive while they told themselves it was REALLY all about fiscal conservatism (and ethics in gamer journalism).
Now that the chamber of commerce guys are twigging to the fact that they’re still not amongst the elite, they started being peeled away and were replaced by the 2nd amendment obsessionists. So… now they have their big tent of racists, bigots and religious hysterics and they’re all now well armed… whats a good mad scientist to do when the monster breaks its chains? They decide to blame it on the townspeople and claim if they hadn’t built that nice little town so close to them, why then there would be no need to destroy it.
While I don’t necessarily mind the monster killing the mad scientist, I’d still like to save the innocent townspeople.What is essentially tragic is that Obama tried multiple times to save them from themselves, hell, even Hillary reached out to try and help them find reason. No matter what, while we may finally end up having a functional government again, it also looks like we’ll be fighting a cold war campaign with those folks that have even polluted by RW propaganda who see themselves as tragically disenfranchised. While I worried about Obama being shot, I have the same level of fear for Ms. Clinton as well.
Some of those folks out there are seriously fucking unhinged.
Corner Stone
@Eric U.: What they are saying is, “Trump won’t attack Hillary the way he should and Hillary is a criminal liar that will keep giving my money to black people.”
Bitter Scribe
Politico had the best comment I’ve seen in a long time:
“Hey, Republicans, how does it feel to be forced to carry something to term?”
trollhattan
@? Martin:
Hils’ turnaround began right after debate #1 and continues today. I don’t know if #2 acts as a booster stage but it will help the continuation of positive numbers, if not accelerate things. Time to start wondering Which Trump? shows for #3. He’s on fumes and desperate–I don’t think his bubble is the same as Romney’s, since it’s of his own making. .
Corner Stone
@hueyplong:
Operation Rolling Thunder
Iowa Old Lady
@Anya: That drove me crazy. If people in that audience cheered “you’d be in jail,” they are not undecided.
hovercraft
The Trumpster is making friends everywhere she goes.
From 538
The new National Asian American Survey shows that Asian-American registered voters are increasingly identifying as Democrats. The Democratic edge over Republicans has increased by 11 percentage points since 2012, according to the NAAS, which was released last week. The 2016 survey also found that 59 percent of respondents favor Hillary Clinton in this year’s presidential election while only 16 percent prefer Donald Trump — 26 percent are either undecided or favor a third-party candidate.1
Ramakrishnan said the GOP appeared to be making strides in some areas, pointing to the 2014 election of several Asian-American Republicans to seats in California’s state legislature. But he said that the polarizing nature of this year’s GOP presidential nominee seems to be nullifying any gains Republicans might have made and that support among Asian-Americans for the GOP may be lower now than in 2012. In previous years, Ramakrishnan said, surveys of Asian-Americans showed larger differences in political preferences between subgroups and between regions of the country. “One way you could put it is that Trump is nationalizing the election for Asian-Americans,” he said.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Corner Stone:
Operation Rolling
ThunderBlunder.Anoniminous
@Anya:
Picking up from yesterday — yes I did misread what you said. Sorry ’bout that.
Mike in NC
Early voting in North Carolina starts in 10 days. Setting my alarm clock for 7 AM.
Bruce K
28 days and this nightmare is over. Granted, there’s a chance we’ll be dealing with an entirely new and significantly worse nightmare, but this one will be over.
On the bright side, every scenario I can think of in which the GOP pulls this one out still needs a time machine…
Corner Stone
I could be wrong but I think Tweety called Heidi Przybala “Monica Lewinsky” at one point tonight.
Mnemosyne
I’ve had this cold for 2 days and I’m already tired of it. Feh.
But I have to go to work tomorrow because I’m taking Friday off, and shit has to get done before then.
Eric U.
@Corner Stone: I live in a very republican area, so they probably are admitting they can’t fully support Trump.
@Major Major Major Major: one of my republican facebook friends has posted something similar about blocking political posts if they include “Trump” or “Hillary.” He hasn’t been bad, although he said something stupid about deplorables. I agree with him about blocking politics, I don’t go on FB for politics, and I would block them if I could. And I would also like to be able to limit who sees what I like or comment about
hovercraft
@Baud:
Nah the speed ball is:
Ryan
Rubio
Issa
Grassley
McCain
Give me those assholes and I’ll be ecstatic.
Obviously I want all the toss-up senate seats too.
eemom
Has the question of Trump being a coke addict been litigated here yet?
My husband insists it wouldn’t be possible for him to keep that a secret. My friend who is an ENT doctor says he doesn’t know of any other cause for so much dry sniffling.
gratuitous
@Major Major Major Major: Yeah, we’re getting to the point where incredibly political (and annoying) people are saying, “Can’t we just take a break from politics?” No. No, we can’t. This is beginning to resemble the end stage of a Monopoly game, where it’s pretty obvious who’s going to win, and the other players are just waiting their turn to get crushed by landing on Park Place or Boardwalk.
So yeah, this needs to be walked all the way to the bitter end, and every throat punch, every knee to the groin, every finger in the eye needs to be administered to those fucking Republican hypocrites until they cry for mercy. They’ve asked for this for years, they’ve earned every last insult and injury. It would be callous not to dole out every last drop of agony they’ve built up for themselves.
How else are they going to learn?
Corner Stone
@Bruce K:
How many of us will make it out of the City and to the Northern coastlands, one wonders? Don’t look up when walking under any bridges!
Lizzy L
@Corner Stone: Doubt it. But 538 is showing Ohio and Iowa (!) as blue. I would be really happy if Arizona flipped, and my brother, who lives in Phoenix, would be delirious with joy, because if AZ flips Joe Arpaio probably goes down. Pleasegodmakeithappen.
ETA: I want the Senate too.
Humdog
@Eric U.: and Majorx4, is this feeling of wanting to punch them in the neck a new feeling for both of you? I am feeling more violent myself, politically, and I wonder if it isn’t down to the Groper party candidate’s violent talk. I have had bitter disagreements with Republicans for years but the throat punching urge is new for me. Not proud of it, but I am fortunate to not have to deal with any Trumpers face to face (or fist to throat).
Mnemosyne
@hovercraft:
I’m assuming that Trump’s attack on the Khan family did a lot of damage with Indian-Americans and other South Asian groups.
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
I believe they are still in the field and will be releasing the total poll results later this week. I think that’s what Chucky said when they were released.
I just saw my first I’m Donald Trump and I approve this message Ad. It’s a bunch of people saying they are not deplorable. Weak.
trollhattan
@eemom:
Anybody who has bragged about hanging out at Studio 54 is guaranteed to be familiar with the stuff on a first-name basis. I assume it’s medically unfeasible for anybody to have a four-decade habit but revisiting an old friend during a stressful time, easy to imagine.
Guess I’m objectively pro-litigate.
hueyplong
Whatever its origin, am I engaging in wishful thinking, or was the sniffing a lot more pronounced last night?
Anya
@Anoniminous: no worries. I have lots of moments of reading comprehension fail. And probably my phrasing was a tad confusing.
Corner Stone
@hovercraft:
I love that ad. Because I can bet you real money that when you asked them about any important topic you’re going to get a faceful of bile spewed back at you.
Anoniminous
@eemom:
By his actions and behavior I just/sorta assumed everybody assumed he was a coke head.
debbie
@eemom:
I read somewhere he sniffed his way through giving a deposition. Maybe it’s a weird nervous tic.
Corner Stone
Is Steve Cortes paid for his TV appearances? Does anyone know if campaign surrogates get compensated for going on air?
Because the last few days he has been having a hell of a time enjoying himself on MSNBC’s air. I can only imagine he’s getting paid one way or the other or why would he keep showing up to defend Trump at this point? Who would hire him for their campaign in the future?
chopper
@debbie:
it’s anxiety. he’s not used to being questioned or thinking on his feet.
Major Major Major Major
@gratuitous: I tend to agree. If they’ve stuck by their party while it turned politics into first a contact sport, then a blood sport, then some sort of… apocalyptic clown-baiting game of nuclear chicken, they can handle a little harsh criticism.
Major Major Major Major
@shomi: Where? Do you even read before you post? CAN you even read?
Jeffro
@eemom: and he could be taking a ton of sinus meds with pseudo ephedrine in them… they un-stuff you for a while and then it comes back with a vengeance. There are other medications that do it too, supposedly including the “little blue pill”
PhoenixRising
@hovercraft:
Exactly. The xenophobia and racism that are Trump’s only product force 1st-gen and 1.5 gen Asian-American voters to vote more like their children & grandchildren. Early in the GOP primary there was a very touching essay on Asian Twitter on the theme, How to talk to your elders about Trump.
Basically: of course your immigrant parents vote for whichever party was in charge when they came to the US–the ‘dance with them what brung ya’ effect is strong, particularly in immigrants from countries without a democratic/partisan tradition (China, Taiwan, Vietnam). This time, explain to them why Trump is a unique danger because he’s attacking our role as Americans–he’s just starting with the Mexicans and Muslims, but he will come for us when he can.
Watching the news on Univision, as I have been recently (to protect others in my household from the contents of US news), I’m struck by how those themes are carried into ads for Dem campaigns–I suspect because they have been tested and seem to work on the generation of Asian-American voters who were likely to vote for the party of Reagan.
So if anyone here has Asian elders they talk to (I do, but my kid’s Asian elders in the US are staunch Democrats because Carter personally signed them over from Cambodian to American, in a hushed-up let’s-not-talk-to-Congress way) and can report more personally…
Dork
@trollhattan: Trump thinks he won by being a complete ass. So expect debate #3 to present him as a dickhead on steroids x1000. It’ll be soooo ugly.
bulletin 1147
@Bitter Scribe: Even if it endangers the life of the party, they can’t abort that candidate.
trollhattan
@hueyplong:
Had an extra-sniffy mic.
Tokyokie
@Mnemosyne: I think that’s probably right. My understanding is that Asians from the Indian subcontinent were making the GOP’s popularity among Asians look somewhat respectable, as the East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Filipinos) are pretty solidly voting Democratic these days, although their concentration on the West Coast dilutes that somewhat.
Ella in New Mexico
Polls in our state are kinda interesting right now. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nm/new_mexico_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-5950.html
One outlier has it at 35 Clinton, 31 Trump and Gary Johnson at 24. Others have her at +8 to +13, with Trump in the low 30’s and Johnson in the mid to upper teens. They were all done before 10/3 and don’t include Friday’s bombshell or last nights debate. Johnsons numbers are actually not surprising, given he was a two term Republican Governor. Even if he wasn’t very popular with lawmakers in his own party, in comparison to Trump, I’m sure he’s very appealing to some of our more moderate Republicans/Republican leaning leaders. Even our desperate for a higher level cabinate career Governor Martinez is not endorsing him.
You know what I would LOVE After watching Hilary win NM by double digits?
Gary Johnson beating Trump’s numbers by even one vote in New Mexico.
piratedan
@Anoniminous: its possible that he’s got a jones for spray nasal decongestants, they kind of mimic the same kinds of symptoms, lots of “dry” nasal drips, irritation symptoms.
hovercraft
@Mnemosyne:
In the poll the third most important problem facing America is racism and discrimination. Do you think Trump and his merry band of deplorables have anything to do with that?
Tokyokie
@trollhattan: Somebody who’s 70 and obese who resumes a coke habit has a good chance of being found dead on the bathroom floor in a puddle of vomit.
ThresherK
@? Martin: I don’t mean inaccurate or purposefully bad. I just don’t know that two polls, even if they’re perfect, mean much to me, especially if we’re talking a big change.
And I’m the first person to groan when some idiot TV newsreader baits me with “one new poll”.
Anoniminous
@piratedan:
Didn’t know that. Thanks
Ken
@PaulWartenberg2016: +1
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
He’s hitched his wagon to Trump, and he’s all in. None of the other friends of Trump wanted to go on TV this weekend till after they knew which way the wind was blowing. He like Rudy is angling for a position in a Trump administration.
BillinGlendaleCA
@eemom: Kay was saying this morning that it’s possibly an anxiety attack.
Eric U.
@ThresherK: I haven’t really noticed NBC/WSJ having weird polls, but I’m conditioned to totally ignore Rasmussen. They might be looking for a “Trump comes back from the abyss” type storyline next week.
Punchy
@PhoenixRising: TPM (I think) had an article up a few days ago about how this election is really solidifying the Jewish vote for the Dems. They’ve always been a solid D constituent, but this election has steeled their resolve to vote and vote often.
Mnemosyne
@hovercraft:
It’s probably not the only reason, but I’m sure it doesn’t help. Islamophobia has been hitting South Asian communities pretty hard since, in addition to South Asian Muslims being attacked, Sikhs are frequently mistaken for Muslims and end up getting murdered or abused in hate crimes.
John Revolta
Has anybody mentioned that the ($1100) top that Melania is wore last night (see photo up top) is called a “Pussy Bow” blouse? If so, can I mention it again? Because it’s FUCKINGHILARIOUS
drylake
I remember reading a stat someplace that Chinese-Americans in CA had been 70-30 GOP in 1990, but that had quite reversed 20 years later to 70-30 Dem. I also remember talking to some businessmen originally from Taiwan in about 1990, who were active in the GOP, but were shocked, shocked I tell you to learn that some of their GOP cohort were rabidly anti-immigrant. Wonder how long it took them to wander away? For their kids, I think, it didn’t take long at all.
schrodinger's cat
@Corner Stone: We have the same friend,except mine is female. She is supposedly an independent but reads Brietbart for balance.
ThresherK
@Eric U.: Oh, Rasmussen? Yeah, they have what I like to call “closing speed”. Like a good cornerback, they may be incredibly out of things between Labor Day til almost Halloween, then magically their numbers seem to line up with all the reputable folks when the football gets near the receiver.
John Revolta
Mmmpppph. Would yez put Gucci in moderation if they tried to advertise their damn blouse here?
People are saying she didn’t know what the blouse was called. YEAHRIGHT
polyorchnid octopunch
@Anoniminous: That’s pretty much the boat I’m in. It seems obvious to me. ‘Course, I’m a professional musician, so I’ve had lots of opportunities to see what it does to folks up close….
Mnemosyne
@shomi:
I guess you were in a coma when this happened?
BillinGlendaleCA
@John Revolta: FP’ers and advertisers can say things we can’t say.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: Weird. I would have responded to shomi with a simple “fuck you, troll.”
debbie
@Punchy:
That can only mean that somewhere, Bibi is crying.
Anoniminous
Well, well, well …
The floodgates open: Women call Gloria Allred alleging ‘inappropriate contact by Mr. Trump’
Is it possible to overdose on schadenfreude?
gene108
@Mnemosyne:
The Khan’s are Pakistani. Indian-Americans would not be moved by a Pakistani family getting slammed.
The general lack of humanity, though, for not understanding the suffering the parents are going through transcends national boundaries.
John Revolta
@BillinGlendaleCA: There’s yer FREEZE PEACH for ya………………….
Major Major Major Major
@gene108: the Indian-Americans I know were pretty upset.
Lizzy L
@gene108: Objection. Bullshit.
No Indian-American family would sympathize with a Pakistani-American family? You can’t know that.
hovercraft
@Anoniminous:
A couple of the of analysts last night speculated that she wanted to get him on record denying that he had ever acted on his boasts. There were already a couple of instances documented, but getting it on record on National TV would surely bring any other women out of the woodwork. If you are of the school of thought that believes the Clinton team leaked the tape just before the debate, knowing he’d deny it at the debate, and then the trap would be sprung.
Nah that’s too Machiavellian.
Mnemosyne
@gene108:
I’ll go a slightly different direction from the other responders: so far, it seems like one of the problems that the Republicans have is that they screech about “immigration!” when they really mean “Mexicans,” but immigrants from other countries hear it as an attack on all immigrants. So I think many Indian-Americans saw the attack on the Khans as an attack on an immigrant family like theirs, but possibly not as an attack on themselves.
hovercraft
@gene108:
Generalize much?
gene108
@Tokyokie:
The GOP is a good fit for a lot of Indian Americans, who came to the U.S. with hopes of striking it rich in business. The whole less government and lower taxes ideology appeals to them.
But Trump is losing many of these voters.
schrodinger's cat
@gene108: Well if they are Modi-Bhakts yes, otherwise no. @Lizzy L: Indians and Pakistanis have more alike than different. My housemate in college was from Pakistan. I have had many Pakistani and Bangladeshi friends over the years, also too Indian Muslims.
hovercraft
@Mnemosyne:
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
Most minorities have this sentiment burned into us from an early age.
schrodinger's cat
@Tokyokie: Actually, South Asians pretty solidly in the Democratic corner. There was a Slate article which put South Asian support at around 80% for Obama’s reelection bid.
schrodinger's cat
@Tokyokie: You are wrong.
Here are the statistics
Lizzy L
@schrodinger’s cat: I have too, which is why I called bullshit.
Chris
@Mnemosyne:
Eh, they primarily mean Mexicans, but I’m pretty sure the average bigot isn’t terribly favorable to immigrants of any origin, certainly not the nonwhite ones.
Chris
@gene108:
It’s almost completely forgotten these days, but Muslim-Americans used to be a solid Republican voting bloc. All the way until the early 2000s.
Luthe
@Omnes Omnibus: I liked shomi better when they called everyone “cudlip.”
Peale
@Tokyokie: I don’t know about the Filipinos you know, but the ones I know are either disengaged or with the republicans over abortion and taxes (egads. I guess they don’t have payroll taxes in the Philippines. Or maybe no taxes at all.) Unless they are gay…then it’s Hillary all the way. although I’ve got a more than a few Duterte loving Democrats to deal with. Trump though pisses them off as they see him as a buffoon. But Duterte can’t kill enough drug users fast enough so shut your mouth about that. They are all over the place.
Geeno
@eemom: Are you kidding? I was supporting the idea that he is snorting arsenic to alleviate the symptoms of tertiary syphilis. It would irresponsible not to speculate.
Gwangung
@drylake: Also, let’s not forget the Republican witch hunt of Chinese American donors with the racist overtones in the first Clinton administration. That has to have some effect.
Chris
@Luthe:
What a terrible thing to say :)
gene108
@Major Major Major Major:
Most people, with any human decency were offended by Trump. I have not seen Indians react to the fact they were South Asian, too.
@hovercraft:
@Lizzy L:
The idea proposed is that Indian-Americans would feel extra sympathy for the Khan family because they are South Asian.
I am just pointing out there is no great Pan-South Asian unity in the diaspora that would automatically generate extra outrage or sympathy, especially between the Pakistani and Indian ex-pats. The political animosity between the two nations has been internalized by their citizens.
I am not saying individual Indians and Pakistanis cannot be friends, because this does happen, but generally speaking the idea that something befalling one nationality here, will automatically spark additional sympathy in other is not true.
@Mnemosyne:
I think most immigrants are realizing after the Mexicans are gone it might be you next.
The sad thing is many pro-Republican Indians I know feel Trump is singular. They live in NJ or NYC or Silicon Valley, where Indians have generally been accepted. They do not get out to “Real America”, where non-whites are not popular, so they do not appreciate how wide spread and deep the racism goes in parts of this country.
frosty
@Anoniminous:
Here’s a Real World Event for ya: All but one of the Trump yard signs on my street in South PA have disappeared! Three after the first debate and one after the Video.
Origuy
@Eric U.: My sister swears by FB Purity to block political posts. She does social media as part of her job, so keeping her feed clean is useful.
NorthLeft12
Sorry, I think this is laughable. Most of that 23% will come scurrying back before Nov. 8 based on absolutely any positive news for Deadbeat Donald or any negative news for Hillary Clinton. They are making one of their many stands on principle…….again. That should last less than a week.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@eemom:
Carrie Fisher, who is an expert, says the same.
Chris
@NorthLeft12:
This.
As we saw last month when the polls were nearly even, most of these people are waiting for just the tiniest sliver of a rationalization to come running back. Actually, as we saw last month, they don’t even need Trump to do anything. Just a little period of calm in the storm and they’ll forget everything Trump did in the previous year.
Major Major Major Major
@gene108: the Indian-Americans I know considered it an attack on a co-ethnic.
catclub
@Eric U.: Strep throat and bubonic plague are both horrible, but one is definitely worse.
Gex
@Mnemosyne: Don’t forget Rubio, Jeb!, and Trump were bashing Asians for the anchor baby thing early in the primary season. This cycle has elevated racism so much that the GOP can barely get any press for their LGBT bashing.
Major Major Major Major
@Gex: did you see the O’Reilly Chinatown thing?
catclub
@Eric U.:
Rasmussen homes in on much more accurate poll result as the election date approaches. Giving the GOP hope in April is not a problem. Telling them they are up 5 the day before the election when they are actually down 5 is disaster.
Soylent Green
@shomi: Dude, now you’re just phoning it in.
Gex
@Major Major Major Major: Yep. Oh god, that was so bad.
And truth be told, Asians started moving starting 2009. We didn’t need them to remember how much they hated us. Seeing them tell the world how much they hated Obama did the trick.
gene108
@schrodinger’s cat:
I have yet to see a move towards pan-South Asian unity here, where you have a solid South Asian block of people, who feel they have common interests because they are South Asian.
Without this people see other nationalities as “those pepole” and not “our people”.
I think on an interpersonal level Indians and Pakistanis get along just fine. But in an aggregate there is no “we’re all in this together”.
I have not seen much evidence of something happening to a Pakistani person here that triggers a “but for the grace of God go I” sentiment in Indians and vise versa. There’s very little feeling of “that could be me next”.
Only time I’ve seen “that could be me next” sentiment was after 9/11/01, when nobody wanted to get lumped in with the Middle Eastern terrorists, where people thought, if a Pakistani guy got beat up for being a suspected terrorist than an Indian could just as easily be suspected and beaten up.
gene108
@Major Major Major Major:
The ones I know did not.
schrodinger's cat
@gene108: As if all Indians are united as a unit. Please, I have not seen that in this country or in India for that matter. North Indians have more in common with Pakistanis than south Indians, they share a common language and culture.
Major Major Major Major
@gene108: perhaps it would be wise not to speak of all Indian-Americans as a monolithic group, given that the ones you know do not comprise all of them.
Gwangung
@Major Major Major Major: Given that there are many highly educated, sophisticated Indian Americans among the first generation and their children are at least as sophisticated and educated, I would suspect that there’s a lot of self interest and connecting the dots going on that would overcome group insularity.
Major Major Major Major
@Gwangung: ya think? Don’t tell me, tell gene here.
schrodinger's cat
@Gwangung: India is very diverse as is the diaspora so making blanket statements about Indians is bit dicey. It is home to 22 plus languages and all religions known to mankind.
DissidentFish
@Mnemosyne: The movement of Asian Americans from R to D is not Trump alone, it is shared with all republicans and their media, especially Fox. Birtherism and Islamophobia look, to a person of Asian heritage, very much like step one in the purge.
bmoak
I wonder if the Republican’s long-standing war on public education, universities, teachers, professors, and scientists has had an effect on pretty much all Asian-American groups moving towards Democrats?
Tokyokie
@schrodinger’s cat: My bad. I was extrapolating the electoral results of Hawai’i, the state with the largest percentage of Asian-Americans (most of them of East Asian descent) and one of the most solidly blue states in the country, off the top of my head without checking the actual figures.
@Peale: The spousal unit is from Mindanao, most of her friends are Filipinos, and several of our co-workers are as well, and I only know one who’s voting for Trump. But yeah, the spousal unit can be all over the place as well, seeing as she’s a reliable Democratic voter and also a big fan of Duterte. But maybe she just likes him because she used his clubs for a round of golf a few years ago. But that’s another story………….
JR in WV
When science is optional, people who are fact based tend to shy away.
I’m with Schrodinger’s cat here, Sikhs, Pakistanis, Indians, are all grouped together here, 12,000 miles from South Asia. I worked for years with newly arrived software developers from India, Burma, Pakistan, Malaysia, even a Peruvian Chinese genius.
Only one of them turned into a Republican, and he was Evangelical Christian, somehow. And the statistics bear this feeling out. After all, it’s obvious that if Trump hates a South Asian Gold Star family, how is he going to feel about an average S. Asian family working to stay ahead.
Pretty silly of him to attempt to take on a retired lawyer living in Charlottesville with his kids at UVA. Mr. Khan made his very good living with his logic and wits. Trump, not so much.
I also wonder about the sniffing. He doesn’t seem to do it at the Nazi Rally scenes, but at a debate… maybe he thinks the stimulant gives him faster wits? That’s pretty dumb, but a lot of people do think that about cocaine.
I’ll be calling for Hillary again tomorrow, phoning into Ohio, where most of the people we call are big for Hillary!! That gives me a big boost. If any of you are suffering from Trump Overdose, going to a Democratic office and calling with other folks is a huge boost. And you can do it from home, if your phone is unlimited, or you have lots of calling left over every month.
Highly recommended if Trump gives you heart-ache, like so many have remarked on.
I have a bottle of good champagne to drink election night. If Hills wins, in celebration, If not, well there’s never a time when drinking good champagne isn’t appropriate. We get average bubbly every once in a while, for the fresh seafood, but we like to splurge once or twice a year. Hillary’s win will be worth it!
Matt McIrvin
@Iowa Old Lady: I get the impression that the “undecided voters” were just the people who were allowed to ask questions; they were not the whole audience. The candidates were allowed to pack the rest of the audience with their supporters. The commentary about that was really misleading.
Matt McIrvin
@bmoak: I think a lot of older Asian-Americans were refugees from countries that had gone Communist, and skewed Republican for the same reason that Cuban, Russian and Eastern European immigrants did: it was about Reagan’s hardline opposition to the Commies in the old country. Now that’s faded as a justification, and the racism in modern conservatism is being laid bare.
Matt McIrvin
@ThresherK: I’m guessing this doesn’t end up as a Reagan-level blowout; at best it’s going to be more Obama 2008-esque, in the end. The defection of the Trumpists does have the potential to create Congressional coattails for Hillary that weren’t there before, but it’s possible that those people were never inclined to vote downballot anyway.