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  4. 4.

    Central Planning

    So the video has Donald saying “I have never been so ashamed of this country”. I believe there could be more to what he said. His supporters go crazy and love him for it.

    I remember when Michelle Obama said “For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country…” and the wingnuts became unglued.

    I know, I know. IOKIYAR. But damn.

  14. 14.

    dmsilev

    @Baud: Well, as we discussed the other day, Hillary is apparently well aware that she’s the hero in an action-horror film and it’s up to her to grab the shotgun and take down the monster.

  16. 16.

    dmsilev

    @gf120581: It may actually be the next morning. I think there’s a reasonable chance that Trump will spend Election Night sulking, but will emerge in full Twitter-rage the next day.

  20. 20.

    redshirt

    @Major Major Major Major: I think I can envision Peak Wingnut now. I thought I could in 2008, but I was wrong. We were all wrong.

    But its form will consist of the 27% taking firm control of the Party and losing everything because of it. Nominating ever crazier candidates who appeal to them and repulse everyone else. Driving any moderate conservative that still exists into the Democratic Party which will become the default national party for many years.

    Eventually, the Dems will split into a Conservative and Liberal wing, and few will remember the GOP.

  22. 22.

    Rob

    Good grief

    The Final Meltdown indeed. Litigation against the New York Times for their sexual assault coverage.

    From Twitter

    Robert Costa ‏@costareports 1m1 minute ago
    A lawsuit is being drafted now by Trump against the NYT. Very possible it could be announced tonight, though discussions ongoing.

  23. 23.

    Jeffro

    Full disclosure: I’ve already been in touch with Reince and offered to do the 2016 GOP post-election “autopsy” pro bono. Well, by ‘pro bono’ I mean no money will be exchanged, but as each member of the “deep bench” (plus Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and John McCain) dies, on their deathbeds, I get to remind them of the role they played in this holy rolling clusterfuck.

    So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.

  25. 25.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    So when all that’s left is a puddle on the floor, can we all go back to Kansas?

    Or you know, the “Kansas” of my imagination, where the country hasn’t gone insane. And you were there, and you! John the schoolteacher, you were this crazy blogger who was always maiming himself, and there was this terrible President named Bush, and oh it was just awful. Was it all really just a dream….?

  30. 30.

    redshirt

    @Baud: You know, thinking of the metaphor, it seems like most if not all Repuke pols are so deep within the Fox News bubble that they don’t even know what facts or truth are anymore. IE they are within the Wingnut Event Horizon and no facts can escape. Only spin from the angular momentum of the black hole.

  34. 34.

    dmsilev

    @Jeffro: The RNC’s post-mortem is going to be *fascinating*. “We recommend that the Party itself conduct background research on all candidates to ensure that no racist repeat sexual predators reach the nomination”.

  36. 36.

    redshirt

    @Major Major Major Major: Oh yeah, that’s decades in the making. But I can see the end of this. They will purify themselves in stupidity to the point that even Joe the Plumber jumps off the crazy train. We’ve been seeing it happen in each election since 2008, and probably longer.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    @dmsilev:

    “We recommend that the Party itself conduct background research on all candidates to ensure that no racist repeat sexual predators reach the nomination”.

    Fixed for plausibility.

  40. 40.

    Ian

    @redshirt:
    I wish you were correct but nothing in the past 16 years of complete gop insanity has seemed to contradict this. The voting public just seems to follow the moving goalposts along/

    Either that or they are having a shit ton more kids.

  42. 42.

    Rob

    And in other news, Hurricane Nicole has strengthened to a major hurricane and is expected to pass near Bermuda some time tomorrow. Uh oh.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I hope he does pull out of the last debate. It’ll hurt him by making him look like a coward, and it will spare the country the atrocity.

    And Hillary deserves better than two spend two more hours in that guy’s presence.

  48. 48.

    Lizzy L

    @dmsilev: It’s his default, that’s all, it’s not a product of rational thought. I assume he’d be claiming libel. Good luck with that.

  49. 49.

    gf120581

    @Rob: He’s not. He’s really not, is he? We can’t be that fortunate, can we?

    Seriously, is there not anyone in that campaign who can make him see reason?

  50. 50.

    Mnemosyne

    Everyone pity me. My sore throat is back. ?

    Now I’m eating soup and drinking Bundaberg ginger beer. Debating what alcohol to add to the ginger beer other than rum. Though rum is good, too.

  52. 52.

    Jeffro

    @dmsilev:

    The RNC’s post-mortem is going to be *fascinating*. “We recommend that the Party itself conduct background research on all candidates to ensure that no racist repeat sexual predators reach the nomination”.

    They’re going to need a multi-point scoring rubric or something…it’s nuts. Maybe the most basic of oppo…10 years of tax returns…some sort of prior service in elected office…fewer than 4000 lawsuits and/or 4 bankruptcies…

    It’s like they took the 2012 “autopsy”, reversed it, gave it a rabies injection (and by that I mean a hotshot of the actual virus, not the vaccine) and then said, “Yup, that’ll do”

  56. 56.

    TS

    What is really sad & disgusting about this whole election – Trump is being brought down because there is video proof that he is the person everyone knows he is.

    He has no policys other than building a wall and criminalizing his opponent – neither of which stop people voting for him. He has a team of advisors who are mainly batshit crazy – or dumb as posts – and these people would be running the country if Trump won the election. He has no religion, he has changed every viewpoint he ever stated in regard to war, peace, women’s rights etc etc. None of this matters – every republican of every classification would have voted for him – until they saw him in person talking like the gutter person he is about women.

    Whoever gave that video to the WP has earned the Nobel Peace prize.

  57. 57.

    redshirt

    @Ian: I hope I’m correct too, but consider that they as a party have abandoned facts. Things like pollsters no longer matter. They’re giving up evidence based efforts at winning, and relying solely on propaganda. Each election they get worse on this front. There’s only so far it can go before it collapses on itself, and this election provides a clear window on how it will work.

    On the one hand, “reasonable” Republicans are distancing themselves from Trump. See John McCain as example. On the other hand, this will hurt them among a large percentage of Republican voters. So they lose to the Dem. If it’s a primary, they lose to the even crazier Repuke who then loses to the Dem.

    This purification of the crazy is going to keep resulting in losses until they snap out of it, or are utterly broken and defeated.

    Or they take over, cancel all future elections, and we live in The Handmaid’s Tale world.

  59. 59.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Mnemosyne: I told you, tea and honey. Do you listen to ol’ Bill? No.

    ETA: My high school German teacher taught me about rum in tea, but then again, she also shook Hitler’s hand.

  60. 60.

    Jeffro

    @Baud:

    I hope he does pull out of the last debate. It’ll hurt him by making him look like a coward, and it will spare the country the atrocity.

    Agreed and agreed…but I doubt his ego will allow him to not show. He’ll just escalate in a dozen different ways – more slime, louder voice, less coherent answers, and so on.

    And Hillary deserves better than two spend two more hours in that guy’s presence.

    Agreed here as well. If he gets really off the hook, I’m sure she knows she has enough support…and would be jaw-dropping-lly admired by most…to say a quick, “You’re really losing it here, Donald, and thanks but I’m done”. Exit stage right.

  62. 62.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    One of the reasons I reacted so viscerally to the sexual assault tape is that what Trump describes, “Just grab them by the pussy,” is, aside from the obvious anatomical differences, an exact description of what happened to me several times during junior high school. I like to think that I’m empathetic enough that my basic response would be the same without that, but it’s personal for me, too.

  63. 63.

    Rob

    @gf120581 10:06 pm: It wouldn’t be to his advantage to actually file it. But, with Bannon exerting a lot of influence, who’s to say?

    @Mnemosyne, bummer, I hope it disappears pronto & for good.

  64. 64.

    sigaba

    @Joel: That ended badly for the visiting congressmen.

    Arizona just went light blue on 538. Georgia’s still 3/1 against but it was 6/1 only a few weeks ago. The last Georgia poll was September 22.

  65. 65.

    Jeffro

    @gf120581:

    Seriously, is there not anyone in that campaign who can make him see reason?

    That’s not part of his operating system, it doesn’t matter who’s talking to him. The only thing that makes sense to insane people is other insane people, hence Bannon, Bossie, Stone, and lesser clowns in the Trump orbit.

  66. 66.

    Rob

    @scav 10:09 pm: I heard about that the other day and the dj on KEXP in Seattle just hinted that too. It sounds pretty bad. I wonder what effect if any it will have in the east.

  69. 69.

    Chyron HR

    @dmsilev:

    The RNC’s post-mortem is going to be *fascinating*.

    On November 9, Donna Brazile needs to walk into Dickless’ office with a contract stating that the DNC gets to vet any Republican candidate before they’re allowed to be given the nomination, and refuse to leave until he signs it.

  70. 70.

    MattF

    @Jeffro: ‘Post-mortem’ is somewhat optimistic. We’re approaching ‘Earth cracks open, Republican party falls in, crack in Earth closes, silence.’

  71. 71.

    eric

    @PPCLI: two points: this has to be about public relations — the notion that if it really was false, then you would sue. Plus, this is a threat: if women think they will get sued, then the wont come forward.

  74. 74.

    scav

    Oh no, now he’s going to have to fit New South Wales into his busy ranting agenda. The upper house of the parliament just unanimously passed a motion where it agreed with “those who have described Mr. Trump as ‘a revolting slug’ unfit for public office.”
    (Guard Liveblog)

  81. 81.

    Jeffro

    @Chyron HR:

    On November 9, Donna Brazile needs to walk into Dickless’ office with a contract stating that the DNC gets to vet any Republican candidate before they’re allowed to be given the nomination, and refuse to leave until he signs it.

    “Here’s what we’ve decided on in our house for presidential requirements, going forward. I strongly suggest that. you. agree to. these wonderful new standards…for…IMPROVING…instead of almost DESTROYING…democracy in America!”

    And then Reince signs and Donna knees him in the nuts anyway, just because…

  82. 82.

    Kay

    Via @maddow, NBC says it has yet another Trump accuser coming tomorrow morning on @TODAYshow.

    Good. The Today Show reaches non-political people. Trump will really regret running for President by the time he loses.

  85. 85.

    Millard Filmore

    @Rob:

    Litigation against the New York Times for their sexual assault coverage.

    Does Mr Trump know what discovery can reach into for this case? Maybe we can get all those cutting room floor snippets that contractually cannot be released.

  87. 87.

    Anoniminous

    @Ian:

    According to Gallup:

    Race appears to be a significant factor in seniors’ Republican realignment, because whites have become more solidly Republican in recent years, seniors are overwhelmingly white, and white seniors today are Republican-aligned.

    Pew Research:

    Republicans hold a 49%-40% lead over the Democrats in leaned party identification among whites. The GOP’s advantage widens to 21 points among white men who have not completed college (54%-33%) and white southerners (55%-34%). The Democrats hold an 80%-11% advantage among blacks, lead by close to three-to-one among Asian Americans (65%-23%) and by more than two-to-one among Hispanics (56%-26%).

    As women lean Democratic by 52%-36% we can infer the GOP is primarily the party of old white men and as Time magazine concluded:

    “The 2016 presidential elections will likely go down in history for several reasons but certainly among them is the influence of those angry white voters witnessing their own last hurrah.”

    Leading to:

    “some white people, it must be noted, are not happy about it. Two-thirds of New Hampshire Republicans support Donald Trump’s ban on Muslims entering the U.S., and one-third of Trump supporters in South Carolina support banning all gay people from entering the U.S. These are the white voters who want their issues at the center of the political conversation and want their votes at the center of the electoral process and see the equality of others as translating to their own marginalization.”

    The goalposts haven’t moved so much as the old bigots are entrenching and doubling down as “Their America” drifts away and they become ever more embittered.

  89. 89.

    Kay

    The actress in the Donald Trump video, Arianne Zucker, breaks her silence in a @TODAYshow exclusive Thursday

  90. 90.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Rob:

    Given that Trump files lawsuits more often than he farts, I’m pretty sure the folks at the NYT were expecting to be sued.

  92. 92.

    Rob

    @Millard Filmore 10:22 pm: He ought to since he’s been party to hundreds (?) of lawsuits. Two more tweets from Robert Costa say the inner circle is ‘going to war’ and are in an ‘us against the world’ mood. It’s not going to get any prettier before the election.

  93. 93.

    Mnemosyne

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I was drinking tea yesterday and today. My nasal congestion has broken up a bit, so I’m hoping this is post-nasal drip throat soreness and not a relapse.

    And I ended up going with Kraken Spiced Rum in my ginger beer, since it’s hard to improve on ginger + rum.

  96. 96.

    Jeffro

    @redshirt:

    its form will consist of the 27% taking firm control of the Party and losing everything because of it. Nominating ever crazier candidates who appeal to them and repulse everyone else. Driving any moderate conservative that still exists into the Democratic Party which will become the default national party for many years.

    Eventually, the Dems will split into a Conservative and Liberal wing, and few will remember the GOP.

    I think this is a good call. The GOP’s 45% splits into 27% and 18%…the 18% mostly drifts over to the Dems, some of the 27% drift back into the woodwork as they age out…the Dems are big enough that they start to split between more conservative Dems and more socialist Dems…

    …wait, normally when what I think will happen coincides with what I want to happen, I stop and do a reality check.

    Hmm

    But in this case, it really does look like the most probably outcome here. The GOP can’t possibly find something – anything – to unite itself for quite a while post-Trump. It’ll be too ugly and too incoherent. Meanwhile, ‘Boring’ Hillary and the rest of the Democratic Justice League should continue to do a good job competently running things.

  98. 98.

    hovercraft

    Don Lemon just smacked poor little Corey down. He tried the 35 years in business appointing women to high places, Lemon came right back with Cosby and Ailes, saying they hired women to high places too, but that didn’t prevent them from doing what they did to multiple women. Corey repeats 35 years nonsense. Asked about walking in on 15 year olds, he says he doesn’t know anything about beauty pageants and there were probably other people back there. He wants to know why if his business record doesn’t exonerate Trump from the accusations, then Hillary being appointed to defend a rapist shouldn’t protect her from blame, (huh), Lemon says Politifact says that the accusations about Kathy Shelton are completely false.

  101. 101.

    PPCLI

    @eric: True. If the lawsuit is actually filed, people who know how to do these things should start up a Gofund page to pay legal bills for women sued by Trump for speaking out. I expect a lot of money will be raised in a very short time.

    And the whole thing would look pretty bad. Trump attacking Hillary for allegedly “attacking” women who came forward about Bill, while Trump himself is actually, in real time, attacking women who he’s groped. I shiver in anticipation at the devastating ad a Clinton-leaning PAC could put together.

  107. 107.

    Lizzy L

    @Rob: That “us against the world” stuff can be pretty exhilarating; until The World turns and looks at you, and stomps you flat. I suspect Trump believes he’s simply untouchable.

  111. 111.

    Anoniminous

    @gf120581:

    is there not anyone in that campaign who can make him see reason?

    No. His Chief of Staff is Steve Bannon runs Breitbart.com and is an even bigger whack-a-loon than Trump. They probably think the polls are lying, there are 100,000,000 white people just waiting to vote for Trump, and the SheDevilFromHell will soon be behind bars for Benghazi, murdering Vince Foster, EmailGate, selling the US out to the International Banking Conspiracy*, Whitewater, & etc. etc. etc.

    * who oddly enough all have Jewish last names

  112. 112.

    Matt McIrvin

    @dmsilev: “Trump wasn’t enough… can we somehow concoct a super-Trump? A thing that would be TWICET AS MUCH Trump than Trump?”

  113. 113.

    hovercraft

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    You know I don’t know if the constant criticism finally got to him, but the few times I’ve watched him recently, he’s been quite good at smacking down Trumpsters.

  118. 118.

    hovercraft

    @Mary G:
    I’m thinking that they need a better class of spinners for this, too bad for them that this is the week that the media has decided to stop letting Kellyanne gish gallop her way through media appearances. SAD!

  120. 120.

    Jeffro

    @Anoniminous:

    His Chief of Staff is Steve Bannon runs Breitbart.com and is an even bigger whack-a-loon than Trump.

    and let’s not forget that Trump mainlines Alex Jones’ craziness, too. Obama just mocked the shit out of AJ yesterday, noting that AJ had said he had it on good authority that Obama & Hillary “smelled like sulfur” (i.e. the Devil) all the time.

    This is where we’re at on the Right, folks.

    Fortunately, Obama took it all in good stride, carefully sniffed himself, decided he was probably okay after all, and kept going. But still…

  122. 122.

    Millard Filmore

    @redshirt:

    Donald’s been in a lot of lawsuits. You’d assume he knows how they go, but….

    I would hope his lawyers will discuss what can and cannot be excluded as Not Relevant. The lawyers might see the end of the gravy train approaching and not give a crap any more, not bothering to bring it up. “We will vigorously work with your commands (even if we know it goes against your interests).”

  123. 123.

    Jeffro

    @Anoniminous: Yes there’s some out there, but most Trump supporters have been shown to actually be above the average household income in this country. “Economic anxiety” is just a cover for them, for their racism.

  124. 124.

    jl

    Apparently Trump is furious at the rigged unfairness of it. All of his titanic wrath will be unleashed unchained and vented.
    I mean, shit, he’s already publicly admitted that his hobby as a pageant owner was going back stage to ogle naked beauty contestants. Why the unfair pile on now?

    Edit:I bet that bum Ryan and that crumb Rinse or whatever his name probably the real goons behind it.

  125. 125.

    Anne Laurie

    @dmsilev:

    Beyond being able to scream “I’m suing the Times”, is there a point to that?

    It’s been Trump’s go-to move since the 1970s. Worked just fine against intimidated individuals & small companies he wanted to cheat out of paying, since they didn’t have the time or money to actually take it to court. And (in his thoughts, at least) it discouraged some of his many enemies — other developers, local politicians, neighborhood zoning groups, nosy reporters — from getting too close to investigating Trump projects.

    It won’t work on this stage, not with a global spotlight plus the weight of the NYTimes‘ reputation plus all the people who’ll happily stump up to help with legal fees… but it’s all he’s got.

    Hard for a 70-year-old man to break old bad habits, especially when he’s never been required to do so in his life.

  126. 126.

    Mnemosyne

    @efgoldman:

    I know the lawyers here have said that there’s an ethical duty to defend even a guilty client to the best of one’s ability, but is it the same when it comes to filing a civil lawsuit that’s certain to fail? I’d think that an ethical lawyer would say, No, that’s stupid, I’m not going to let you waste your money like that.

  129. 129.

    hovercraft

    @Anoniminous:
    But but but they’re going to turn Bill Clinton into Bill Cosby! That will do it.
    The only people who would have a shot are the kids, because at this point his name is worth shit, and that’s the source of their income. Who wants to be branded with a groper, peeping Tom, who dreams of sleeping with his daughter and envisions 10 year old in the future. But he’s not going to listen to them. He would have to go down as a loser and a quitter. He believes he can bluster his way through, because that’s what he’s done his entire life. He’s a con man who doesn’t know the gig is up.

  130. 130.

    Kay

    STEVE SCHMIDT by Phone on @msnbc: “Republican poll numbers are tanking all over the country.” “This is going to be a blow out election.”

    God, I hope so. I also want all the Trumps to have to go and find jobs. Except the ten year old.

  133. 133.

    Betty Cracker

    Christ on a crumpet! Now Lawrence O has a report from People mag about one of their writers who was sexually assaulted by Trump in 2005.

  134. 134.

    Keith P.

    @Kay: I’m curious what happens after the blowout. The GOP is horribly broken right now, so I can’t see the moderates making nice with the Trumpsters. Do the remaining moderates try to cut deals with a President Clinton? Hell, do they just leave the GOP altogether? If not, there’s going to be at least another 4 years of dysfunction, because the Trumpsters are too self-righteous and in denial.

  139. 139.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Mnemosyne: If I could find a legal theory that would survive a 12(b)(6) motion and I got a very, very significant retainer. I would take the case. I would also make sure that he had a letter pointing out that success is unlikely and that the cost of litigation would likely exceed the damages awarded in the unlikely event of a settlement or verdict in his favor.

  140. 140.

    Mary G

    @scav: He’s stiffed and been sued by lawyers defending him against creditors before, so he won’t have good lawyers.

  141. 141.

    gf120581

    @Kay: I am really going to love seeing the reactions of other Republicans to this. We might have to put every elected GOP official on the ballot this year on suicide watch.

    The House is definitely in play now. Two weeks ago, I’d have said that was nuts. But now? This is beyond expectations. This is complete meltdown.

  144. 144.

    Kay

    @Betty Cracker:

    We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds, he was pushing me against the wall, and forcing his tongue down my throat.
    Now, I’m a tall, strapping girl who grew up wrestling two giant brothers. I even once sparred with Mike Tyson. It takes a lot to push me. But Trump is much bigger—a looming figure—and he was fast, taking me by surprise, and throwing me off balance.
    I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself.

    Yup. She was there to interview Trump and (pregnant) Melania. And she confided in a colleague when it happened.

  146. 146.

    jl

    @Jeffro: I think a sizable proportion of Trump support at the beginning was due to white people pissed off over a number if issues and who wanted change. Economic decline was part of that. Hard to remember now, but way way back Trump was known for aping progressive economic themes, right behind the xenophobia and bigotry.

    I think the economic anxiety people are all cooked off by now. Trump dropped any bits of coherent fake economic progressive agenda. Most of his economic program was bog standard reactionary plutocratic GOP BS, he wasn’t interested in it and didn’t know anything about it. And HRC has been sticking to the Bernie-ized Dem economic platform with no mixed messages or dog whistles.

    The hordes of Trump voters exiting his campaign in the polls contain a lot of the people pissed off by economics. The bigots are staying, When are they going to get a chance to go all in on the hate and fear again? Probably never.

    Edit: I do think that white economic anxiety that pushed people to Trump rather than Sanders must be mixed with at least some soft bigotry. But those people can get turned off by the hard core version.

  147. 147.

    Xenos

    Do the NYRCP allow the equivalent of Rule 11 sanctions? I would love it if the NYT could counterclaim in such a way as to make Trump’s cimplant undissmissable. You could have months of fun and interesting depositions.

    And taking a bite out of the lawyers willing to file his frivolous cases would be a good thing, too.

  148. 148.

    catclub

    I think the headline where Jon Thune says he is back on the Trump train is funnier now. GOP pols coming back to Trump. ha ha.

  151. 151.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Rob:

    Robert Costa ‏@costareports 1m1 minute ago
    A lawsuit is being drafted now by Trump against the NYT. Very possible it could be announced tonight, though discussions ongoing.

    Were I the NYT’s lawyer, my response would be “bring it on, fat boy!”

    Full disclosure: that’s my response to almost any legal threat, regardless of the weight or sex of the prospective plaintiff

  152. 152.

    TS

    @Betty Cracker:

    Christ on a crumpet! Now Lawrence O has a report from People mag about one of their writers who was sexually assaulted by Trump in 2005.

    No doubt Melania had to sign a pre nup – but would a court throw it out based on current events. I’m thinking most likely – although getting money out of Trump will be her biggest problem

  153. 153.

    redshirt

    @jl: Great take. Which makes me more uncertain how to process that more and more Trump signs have gone up in my 30 square mile area since Monday morning. They like it. They want more of it. They probably are hoping to do the same themselves. It’s sad. It’s sickening. It’s frightening. Trump’s their pied piper.

  154. 154.

    catclub

    @gf120581:

    We might have to put every elected GOP official on the ballot this year on suicide watch.

    To keep them from climbing back to the safety side of the bridge railing?
    With signs saying “Jump you fuckers, You built this.”?

    Just clarifying.

  155. 155.

    WaterGirl

    @Kay: God, what a fucking pig Trump is. I know this is not news, but I just had to say it after reading the story of the woman from people magazine.

  156. 156.

    hovercraft

    @Rob: @Betty Cracker:
    WTF, did knocking up Melanoma and marrying her do something to him in 2005, why are all these reports clustered around that year.
    This man is getting exactly what he deserves, totally humiliation in full view of the entire world, he got what he has always wanted most, world wide fame, and the adulation of millions, only to also earn millions of more who despise, and disdain him. He has shown himself to all of us, and instead of admiring him, he has become one of the most hated people on the entire planet, and destroyed his ponzi scheme in the process.

  157. 157.

    Mary G

    @Kay: Wow. “We’re going to have an affair.” Not a question, a statement. While Melania is out of the room. What.A.Pig.

  158. 158.

    danielx

    @Rob:

    I’d pay money to watch Donald Trump getting dressed down by a judge after mouthing off in court. Preferably to an overnight stay in the slammer after the contempt ruling.

  159. 159.

    jl

    @redshirt: I wonder what kind of person has stayed with the toxic goofball too. When I did cold call phone banking, Trump supporters seemed to be general ignorant bigots and scared or self-righteous and bitter authoritarians. Even if the exodus keeps up, that will be at least a third of the voting population.

    I think something to the economic anxiety theory of Trump support, but that was not most of them, and as I said above, I think they are the ones fleeing over last several weeks. Of course, you’ll still hear Trump supporters natter about it. The idea is out there, so they know it can be used as an excuse. Only the white nationalists and David Duke types want to yell from the rooftops that they hate Jews, Mexicans, Arabs, Muslims, and want women to be treated like property again.

  161. 161.

    Lizzy L

    @Kay: He does loom, deliberately. He used his bulk to intimidate, and suspect he does so with men as well as women. We have all known men like that.
    @catclub: The pols who said they were done with Trump and then reversed course are so, so screwed.
    The guy is a predator, and evidently there are people who are willing to make it public. I am grateful to them; but we are going to spend the next however many days it is draped in slime.

  164. 164.

    TS

    So groping and sexual attacks are now being called “inappropriate touching” by the campaign & the media. Need Ana Navarro to call it what it is.

  165. 165.

    lamh36

    And now a people mag writer as well.

    Also what’s the over under on how many women will come forward before the weekend…ugh.

  166. 166.

    Barbara

    @Mnemosyne: Rule 11. As an attorney you can be personally sanctioned for filing frivolous claims. That’s the standard. You have to have some reason to believe that your client is making things up.

  167. 167.

    jl

    @hovercraft: Maybe marrying, making a commitment to a nominally permanent relationship pushed his own aging and mortality into the front of his mind. That goes hard on an infantile narcissist. Yeesh, not many years for a rich fat old fart to horn around and grab hot chicks’ bits. And damn, he just made some stupid promise he wouldn’t do that anymore. Tick tick tick….time’s running out.

  168. 168.

    Jeffro

    @Keith P.:

    The GOP is horribly broken right now, so I can’t see the moderates making nice with the Trumpsters. Do the remaining moderates try to cut deals with a President Clinton? Hell, do they just leave the GOP altogether?

    Half of the “moderates” will probably drift (lightly) to the Dems…we can call them Clinton Republicans, perhaps. (OH THE IRONY!)

    If not, there’s going to be at least another 4 years of dysfunction, because the Trumpsters are too self-righteous and in denial.

    That’s going to happen no matter what, but this time out: the GOP is shattered and some of their pols might actually act on principle instead of ODS. And the Trumpkins are only half of the GOP – loud as hell, but still only half.

  169. 169.

    catclub

    A Complete and Updated List of All the Sexual Assault Allegations Against Donald Trump

    ….
    cannot actually be completed before the heat death of the universe.

  172. 172.

    Jeffro

    @scav:

    Whoof! We’re going to need a new league to keep track of all the in-fighting.

    Kids will pants their hypocritical parents every time…

  173. 173.

    lamh36

    robert costas from wash po said Reince Priebus is with the Trump camp and is outraged along with Trump

  174. 174.

    Jean Hunter

    A People Magazine writer has a harrowing story about being attacked by Trump in 2005. If this doesn’t do him in, I don’t know what will. It was posted 20 minutes ago.

  177. 177.

    danielx

    @efgoldman:

    Can’t say I’d blame him for pulling the cord; the expense of the various substances he’s likely using to get through the day must be frightful. Imagine thinking (with dread), every time the phone rings: “what has that crazy sonofabitch said or done now?”

  178. 178.

    Jeffro

    @Kay:

    She was there to interview Trump and (pregnant) Melania. And she confided in a colleague when it happened.

    Anderson Cooper/Martha Raddatz: “Did the inappropriate behavior continue after you were 59, Mr. Trump?”

    Trump: “No”

  179. 179.

    Barbara

    @catclub: Thune and the rest of them are like someone who is dating a serial killer who keeps worrying about whether he’s cheating on her she should be checking the trunk of his car for dead bodies. They don’t have a clue.

  180. 180.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    I hope our Morning Crew are on full MSNBC duty tomorrow morning. Can’t wait to find out how Squint and the Meat Puppet spin today’s revelations.

  181. 181.

    Chris

    @Jeffro:

    It’s like they took the 2012 “autopsy”, reversed it, gave it a rabies injection (and by that I mean a hotshot of the actual virus, not the vaccine) and then said, “Yup, that’ll do”

    “After losing two elections in a row by running candidates that they perceived as RINOs and liberals, the right wing base is going to be so pissed we’ll be lucky if the next candidate isn’t a Klansman.”
    – Me, in late 2012.

  183. 183.

    Lizzy L

    I can’t post it, but I just saw Hillary Clinton’s Tweet in response to the Trump assault stories:

    “We have to win this election.”

    Yes. We. Will.

  184. 184.

    scav

    @jl: Suddenly this one was permanent? He’s scoping out 10- and 14-year olds for reportedly a long-term list of candidates. I thought it was a truism that certain men traditionally took a hike on the AT by flashing the get out of ugly pregnant wife card. Trump maybe just considered himself exceptionally unshackled at the time.

  185. 185.

    Betty Cracker

    Nicolle Wallace on MSNBC just now: “The damage and the stain on the Republican Party will last at least a generation.” From your lips to God’s ears, honey!

  187. 187.

    jl

    @Chris: The GOP started the autopsy report to turn a new leaf and start a new life. Found that to be hard work, so they used the autopsy as a blueprint for their next monster, which promptly ate them up.

    I can hardly wait for the movie. Hope Mel Brooks lasts long enough to make it.

  189. 189.

    TS

    Dear Heavens – how can ANY woman defend Trump – and how can this MSNBC fool let her rant without interruption

  191. 191.

    Corner Stone

    A.J. Delgado is pissed y’all!

    Not because of Trump’s groping and sexual assaults. But because people would ever say these kinds of things about He, Trump.

  192. 192.

    Chris

    @Anoniminous:

    The goalposts haven’t moved so much as the old bigots are entrenching and doubling down as “Their America” drifts away and they become ever more embittered.

    Yep. And there are simply too many of them. One way or another, we’re not done dealing with them by a long shot.

  194. 194.

    jl

    @scav: I’m just guessing. Trump got into some weird emotional love and commitment state where he decided to enter into a risky legal contract (risky for a horn dog and abusive rich guy, since the divorce settlements are steep). Hell, don’t ask me, Trump is the guy who got married and apparently promptly went on a rampage.

  195. 195.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Lizzy L:

    He used his bulk to intimidate, and suspect he does so with men as well as women.

    I suspect he does it with men too. I am an average sized guy and only grew to average height in college. I’ve experienced attempts by bullies to use bulk to intimidate. The only responses that work are some form of stare down/Fuck you/punch in the face that indicates that you don’t give a fuck. HRC did exactly that during the debate. She treated his bullying as if it was nothing.

  197. 197.

    Jeffro

    @jl:

    I think a sizable proportion of Trump support at the beginning was due to white people pissed off over a number if issues and who wanted change. Economic decline was part of that. Hard to remember now, but way way back Trump was known for aping progressive economic themes, right behind the xenophobia and bigotry.

    There was a bare minimum of lip service that Trump paid to “elites” making decisions against the interests of working people and “Washington” not listening. But – there has been no economic decline, especially amongst a majority of Trump supporters. These folks are a) bigoted, b) not in touch with reality for a variety of reasons, and c) wouldn’t know what a progressive economic theme was if it hit them in the fanny.

    He’s a strongman; he’s an older, white, male, nominally rich, indisputably famous strongman; and he promised to replace whatever was missing in their lives with a sense of purpose and certainty: WE ARE GOING TO SHUT OUT THE ‘OTHER’, AND KEEP YOU SAFE FROM ALL THE FAKE DEMONS WE’VE BEEN SCARING YOU WITH.

    Thank goodness that he’s been such a train wreck, that we have freedom of the press, that eventually Americans ‘get it’ about their candidates. Not always, but…it appears to be working…

  198. 198.

    jk

    @Steve in the ATL:

    This talk of lawsuit is pure Trumpian bullshit. He doesn’t have the guts to file a lawsuit. His campaign is sputtering and spinning wheels. Can’t wait to see him get the humiliation of his life on Election Day.

  202. 202.

    jl

    @Kay:

    ” Millions of women look at Donald Trump and think looming ”

    Looming, or looning, or both.
    I agree Trump tried physical intimidation tactics during the GOP debates. But maybe since he was winning, he could control the grotesque boorishness. Gladly, or sadly, not sure which, we’ll never know. The other GOPers may have either too pathetic or in too pathetic position with the GOP primary audience to be worth much effort.

  203. 203.

    Corner Stone

    @TS: To be fair. Earlier tonight before half of these stories came out A.J> called in to Chris Hayes show and completely Gish Galloped Steamrolled him. He had no idea what to fucking do with her.

  206. 206.

    Steve in the ATL

    @efgoldman:

    You know there are unethical, or skirt the ethical, attorneys out there, right?

    Is that a shot at Omnes or Burns? Or maybe LAO or Bella q?

  207. 207.

    Elie

    Dude is going mad or in rapidly deteriorating dementia. He seems to me to be at the far ranges of being able to adapt or cope. He is in wounded animal mode and very very fragile. I would expect almost anything from him. His campaign and family will cover as long as they can, but this may get very very ugly…

  209. 209.

    Chris

    @Keith P.:

    I’m curious what happens after the blowout. The GOP is horribly broken right now, so I can’t see the moderates making nice with the Trumpsters. Do the remaining moderates try to cut deals with a President Clinton? Hell, do they just leave the GOP altogether? If not, there’s going to be at least another 4 years of dysfunction, because the Trumpsters are too self-righteous and in denial.

    The only thing the so-called “moderates” are “moderate” about is that they don’t like Trump. With him out of the picture, they won’t even need to be moderate anymore. They’ll refuse to cooperate with Hillary, obstruct everything, and pass hardcore anti-woman and anti-immigrant laws, but because they won’t actually say out loud “grab her by the p*ss*y” or “they’re sending criminals and rapists,” it’ll be okay and proof that they’re not racist and sexist.

  210. 210.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    My bil shared a gatewaypundit link saying anonymous has a video of
    Bill Clinton raping a 13 year old. I can’t stand my in-laws.

  211. 211.

    Corner Stone

    Of course it’s more than just words. What he has said, he has done. R’s are idiots if they think the AH tape was the worst, or the last.
    He has done all these things. Time and time again.

  212. 212.

    jl

    GW used cheesy domination party tricks on people too, But in a much different way, being much shrewder and with much more self-control, kept it on a jokey psych-out beer boor level. As far as I remember. Mean nicknames, friendly but patronizing gestures and pats on the back etc. Aw shucks smile. Knew when to be self-deprecating He knew how to attract rather than repel most potential supporters.

  218. 218.

    Elie

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Trump despite his height and heft strikes me as a cream puff. Remember he is OCD and doesn’t like to touch people or be touched. Sptting in his face would immobilize him long enough knock him on his back. His muscle tone is probably so bad that once on his back, he might have trouble turning over and getting up. He bullied from the power of his perceived wealth — not from his great muscle tone and athleticism

  219. 219.

    Mike J

    I like to ski. I like snowboarding. Sometimes the spring is the best time to hit the slopes, but there’s a risk of avalanches. Sometimes it’s the fall when you have to yell…..

    LANDSLIDE!!!!!!!!!

    Matt Viser Verified account mviser
    Landslide Alert: Fox News has moved Utah from “solid GOP” to “toss up.”

  220. 220.

    Jeffro

    @Betty Cracker:

    Now she’s basically saying voters shouldnt care if Trump is a degenerate pig because MAGA

    “Orangemandias will save us…wash away our sins…make us great again…he is owed tribute, in terms of unrestricted groping that is…everything is excused for the God-King of Id”

    We might want to pony up to send gift baskets to some of these news anchors, seriously, it must weigh on their souls just letting people like AJ speak…

  221. 221.

    ? Martin

    @Rob:

    I just can’t even wrap my head around his thought processes.

    Narcissists generally have very low self-image and present this facade to the world – the bragging, the domination, etc. to present that he isn’t the person he believes himself to be, and to get the world to view him in the way he needs to be viewed. When this kind of stuff happens, when the world doesn’t validate that image they can get depressed or they can lash out. Trump lashes out. He’s the victim here, because the world won’t validate his projected image. It can be existential – they will fight like its life or death. At some point the conflict becomes untenable, the facade breaks, and suicide isn’t uncommon. I’m a bit worried about that, to be honest. Donald’s always gotten a lot of deference because he was generally harmless. He was an unnecessarily famous real estate douchebag. Clearly he should have been on the registry of sex offenders, so not totally harmless, but now he’s seen as a real threat to the nation, and every knife is going to come out and every one will get twisted. He’s never had to cope with that before. I wonder if he can.

  223. 223.

    Jeffro

    @Mike J: Is there a condition beyond “blinking red” on the control panel? “Blinking A Furious Shade of Crimson”, perhaps?

    Hey GOP give us all a call when you masterminds have figured out how to put CA, NY, and MD in play…we were thinking this cycle was going to be a little closer but you know, “locker room talk” and all that…

    …anyway, cheers!

  224. 224.

    TS

    @Corner Stone: I am never “fair” when it comes to the media and Trump – they all get rolled. 27 days out and a few have suddenly realised that they have helped to implode the GOP and have almost elected a racist misogynist illiterate idiot to the most important political position in the world

    Chris Hayes spent most of his show slamming Trump – Brian Williams smiles at snakes and understands their point of view.

  227. 227.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @hovercraft: Pure cray cray. In a more civilized society, he’d be living his life out in a padded room, to protect himself and others.

  228. 228.

    Lyrebird

    @Mnemosyne: in our house we think that Sambucol (elderberry syrup made with glucose syrup) is FODMAP friendly and throat friendly. Losing honey was a bummer!

  229. 229.

    Corner Stone

    I want someone, anyone, to point to any fucking thing in the “Wikileaks” dump of DNC emails that is an issue for Hillary’s campaign or run for presidency.
    Just one fucking thing.

  231. 231.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    @Corner Stone: yup. Crazies all the way down for me. It’s a miracle my wife survived. She is the only one in her entire extended family that is pro-Obama, Hillary, and team Dem. Her dad and brother give her shit all the time. When I’m not around of course. Assholes.

  232. 232.

    mike in dc

    By my count, the number of women who are or have alleged sexual assault/groping/inappropriate touching by Trump is up to 8. That includes his ex wife, the wife of a former business partner, two beauty pageant contestants, a visitor to Mar a Lago, a worker in Trump tower, a businesswoman traveling first class, and most significantly a reporter for a national entertainment media magazine.
    Trump’s denial was only 3 days ago. If this pace continues, he (and the GOP) is completely fucked, not just for the election, but for the rest of his life.

  233. 233.

    TS

    WWIII could break out with an atomic bomb exploding in Europe & Brian Williams would say “We’ll be back with this exciting development” in the tone deaf way he would describe any other event on the planet.

  234. 234.

    jl

    @? Martin: Ugly possibility. I hope not. Looks like he’s a sure loser now. His support network of Roger, Rudy, Steve, Chris and the even worse Roger (whichever one that is) will hang in there and help him out.. and man.. it will be ugly.

    I’ll try to forget I read your comment for awhile.

  235. 235.

    Ruckus

    @Mnemosyne:
    I’ve done the saltwater gargle for sore throat and it seemed to work pretty good. I’ve heard that chicken noodle soup cures all. It doesn’t of course but doesn’t seem to hurt either.

  236. 236.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Corner Stone: Well, there are those cooking tips that came out today from John Podesta. Devastating stuff, a veritable “smoking gun” like the one that deep sixed Tricky Dick.

  237. 237.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Elie: I know that he uses his perceived wealth as a club. He also uses his size, his bulk, to intimidate. To come in close and loom over people in order to snag an advantage. Like I said, if you know what they are doing, it doesn’t work. The Donald is bulky and tries to be intimidating; I played rugby, skied black diamond slopes, jumped out of airplanes, etc. Hell, the simple statement that one has ridden the NYC subway shows more courage that Trump has ever shown.

  238. 238.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Hey, you are the management side labor attorney around here.

    Well someone has to defend these poor, helpless corporations against the mighty unions and their unlimited lobbying money

  240. 240.

    Gin & Tonic

    @jl: Now there’s a story on the Twitter from some woman who, when she was 18, stood nest to Rudy for some photo op and his hand (naturally) ended up on her ass.

    I guess we know which locker room Rudy uses. These fuckers are all the same.

  241. 241.

    Trentrunner

    @Corner Stone: Agreed. MSM tonight’s showing its vestigial bothsidesism not totally dead yet.

    But these Trump victims will easily carry the cycle the next 24-48 hours.

    I predict Trump will NOT show up at the next debate. But I’ve been wrong before. :)

  243. 243.

    PPCLI

    @Rob: He might as well quit right now. a) That is an incredibly compelling story, and a very well-written article, by someone who has no reason to lie, and a tale with the ring of truth. b) Many voters who don’t read newspapers like the NYT and certainly not the Guardian do read People. c) People magazines sit in doctor/dentist/etc. waiting rooms forever. This will be read by a lot of people every day from now until election day.

  244. 244.

    jl

    @Gin & Tonic: Rudy has been pretty aggressive in pushing the ‘it’s just locker room talk’ line, and laughing off people who say that no it’s not, as liars and losers. And when confronted with evidence that it’s not just talk from Trump, but his walk as well, then Rudy’s yelling whatever and about too much PC. So, yeah, Rudy probably runs with the pack. I can see it.

  245. 245.

    Ruckus

    @Jeffro:
    Economic anxiety does not mean you are poor, it just means that you think the world is shitting on your paycheck and that if you vote for the crazy asshole you will be rich beyond your wildest dreams.

  246. 246.

    Lizzy L

    @? Martin: Possibly not. The people around him will close ranks, shield him as much as they can, keep him wrapped in a bubble in which he is both the unjustly accused victim and the powerful avenger. They’ll fly him to rallies, and to his mansions, and they’ll keep him away from the press as best they can. I don’t know what happens if that fails. Maybe he resigns as the nominee, in which case: the entire country goes WTF? and turns to — Reince Priebus?

  250. 250.

    sigaba

    @efgoldman: He’s fucked insofar as The Trump Network (Trumpwork? Nettrump?) fails to pay dividends. One grift to rule them all and in the darkness bind them.

  254. 254.

    Ruckus

    @Punchy:
    I know people who learned to swear from their mothers. I met one of those mothers once. She knows more swear words than non and during a half hour conversation can teach you at least 1/3 of them. Sadly she’s gone now, good teachers like that are hard to find.

  255. 255.

    tobie

    High Broderism lives on…Marc McKinnon just complained on Brian Williams Republican-lite late nite show that we have two terrible candidates with Trump’s sexual assaults on the one side and Clinton’s emails on the other. Such absurd comparisons make you want to scream.

  256. 256.

    maeve

    Trump claims he put 100 million into his campaign – if its a “loan” then he can be paid back from donations – so right now he’s just trying to gin up donations (I get his ads “promoted” in my twitter feed for whatever reason)

    Between that and the money he’s raked in for campaign events and services to his own companies – profit!

  257. 257.

    sigaba

    @lamh36: Somebody really has to sit down with Noted Journalist Ben Shapiro and educate him on the difference between a Fact and an Opinion, and how using a question to establish a factual basis is not automatically a “set-up” or a “gotcha.”

  260. 260.

    Steve in the ATL

    @efgoldman:

    Don’t the local ambulance chasers advertise on local TV where you are? A constant presence here.

    Of course! The biggest one here is [name redacted]. His son and my daughter were classmates and good friends in high school. One Christmas, the kid called my daughter from Paris, where the family jet was fueling up on their return from skiing in the Swiss Alps, and confessed that he was in love with her and wanted her to join them on the family island in the Caribbean for the rest of the break. Sadly, he was irrevocably in the friend zone.

  262. 262.

    Lyrebird

    @Corner Stone: HRC knows a lot more than her opponent about a) Lincoln and b) governing than the Republican nominee does.

    That’s an important issue in this campaign somewhere behind the fog, and it was shown by a leaked email!

    :-)

  263. 263.

    ? Martin

    @Lizzy L: Maybe, but he’s never been humiliated this publicly. He was livid when Obama made fun of him in the WHCD. Nobody watches that but us nerds. But he’s being seen worldwide now. Once you’ve failed on this scale, there’s no coming back. There’s no bigger stage to go to. Maybe he won’t internalize that humiliation until after Nov 8, but man, the people around him are flailing hard. I don’t know how much longer they hold out. Watching Kellyanne today – she’s out of gas – she doesn’t even know how to defend some of this stuff any more. These folks are torn between being branded the worst form of enabling liar, or being branded as that and as someone who isn’t loyal enough to stay with the candidate to the end. They’re fucked.

  264. 264.

    ? Martin

    @tobie: He didn’t say that. He said that there’s only so much shifting that’s going to take place because Trumps supporters will see the emails as being as bad as the sexual abuse. Don’t blame him for his opinion of how Trump’s voters think.

  265. 265.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Mary G:

    That Katrina Pierson is awful.

    I can’t listen to her at all. Everything she says is a lie. She doesn’t even try to spin or stretch the truth; she just lies and lies and lies.

  266. 266.

    NoraLenderbee

    The Trump revelations need to be paced carefully so that he doesn’t implode too early and give them time to get him off the ticket. Shithead though he is, Trump is one individual. I am looking forward to seeing the entire GOP humiliated on Nov 8. They so fucking deserve it.

  267. 267.

    Lyrebird

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    the simple statement that one has ridden the NYC subway shows more courage that Trump has ever shown.

    for realz? is it fear of germs or just wanting a whole car to himself?

  268. 268.

    ? Martin

    And let’s note – this is really just the first day of this. Josh says that it takes about 3 days to vet a story, so this is probably the stuff that dropped as soon as Trump said he never did the things he described. More women will feel empowered after this, and more after that. That’s how it always happens – with Cosby, with Ailes, etc.

  269. 269.

    sigaba

    @NoraLenderbee: They ain’t getting him off now, now that people have ratted and then two days later ratted back.

    He owns their asses, and that relationship will survive the election.

  273. 273.

    Ferd ofthe Nort

    Google:

    Global News Vancouver’s Trump Tower

    It is already damaging his brand. Cute picture too.

  274. 274.

    Lizzy L

    @? Martin: Yeah, they are. I assume they’re getting paid for it.

    I don’t know how this is going to end. I don’t remember who it was on another thread who said this election was weirder than any she/he could remember, including 1968. (Maybe it was efg?) I didn’t respond at the time, but I recall thinking, nah, 1968 was weirder. I think now — not sure. Really not sure. And I was in Chicago in 1968.

  278. 278.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Lizzy L:

    And I was in Chicago in 1968.

    So was I! Didn’t follow the election, though, what with being an infant and all.

    But I still love the Cubbies!

  279. 279.

    Mnemosyne

    @mike in dc:

    That’s what I’m thinking. Knowing that anonymous likes to fuck with people and claim that they have stuff when they don’t, and given that it’s Gateway Pundit aka The Stupidest Man Alive, I’m guessing it’s vaporware.

  281. 281.

    Walker

    @NoraLenderbee:

    The Trump revelations need to be paced carefully so that he doesn’t implode too early and give them time to get him off the ticket.

    That date has past. The last day to get him off the ticket was Sep. 28. People are already voting. It is over.

  285. 285.

    smith

    @? Martin:

    Curious the similarity in details to the case pending against Trump, though…

    Both stories, I believe, involve Jeffrey Epstein, who was in fact convicted of soliciting minors, and probably is guilty of much worse.

  286. 286.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Lizzy L: Yeah, but if anyone wants to call out my creds on the left, I got ammo. There are folks around here who get purer than than thou who became Dems in the 2000’s.

  291. 291.

    Ella in New Mexico

    Ok, Donald Trump’s on tape saying how he’s gonna date one of the 8-10 year-old girls he sees going up an escalator “in 10 years”.

    Ivanka was 11 at the time.

    Jesus Christ, maybe she WAS abused…

  292. 292.

    smith

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s all I know that’s apparently factual, and I understand that his use of the jet was for Clinton Foundation business. I think there have been rumors for years about various peoples’ participation in Epstein’s “parties.” To tell the truth, I don’t have the stomach to read much about Epstein.

  295. 295.

    Anoniminous

    1968 – Viet Nam War

    April 4, 1968 – Martin Luther King assassinated and aftermath

    June 5, 1968 – Bobby Kennedy assassinated

    Chicago protests and riots and beat downs.

    ********************************************************

    This year is bad but nowhere near as bad as ’68

  296. 296.

    Peter H Desmond

    @lamh36: it was interesting that Cooper asked three times. he was being a good journalist and probing for a clear, explicit answer.

  297. 297.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Ummm, I have serious doubts about the veracity of anyone’s claims. I mean, among the people they have “associating” with Epstein is STEPHAN FUCKING HAWKING. Why do I have questions about whether he’s into raping 13-yr olds?

  299. 299.

    Peter H Desmond

    @? Martin: the case could be made that obama’s incisive mockery of trump at the white house correspondents’ dinner inflicted the trump candidacy on the country! so another big problem is the president’s fault. thanks, obama!

  302. 302.

    smith

    @Ella in New Mexico: Yeah, Epstein was a NY high flier, very rich, who knew a lot of prominent people for legitimate reasons. That he was proven to have a taste for little girls sets up a perfect environment for generating all kinds of wild rumors. Jezebel recently had an article about the people bringing the Trump lawsuit, and they sound very sketchy, so, although I’m prepared to believe the worst about Trump, I won’t be surprised if the lawsuit goes nowhere.

  304. 304.

    sigaba

    @Anoniminous: it’s true that even at it’s very worst all we’ve had is isolated incidents of white guys screaming at people in WalMart parking lots.

  305. 305.

    Aleta

    I thank any god that these last 2 days have atomized Trump’s chance at a steady host role on a mainstream politics talk show. For that I’m very happy. (Fringe late night radio: he’d still be a hit I’m sure.) In 1-2 years he’ll have a biopic and a documentary out; in less than 3 he’ll be doing magazine interviews and movie cameos. After that, provided no workplace lawsuits, he’ll get pro-sanitized and moisturized enough to slip into some other TV work. Predict clothing line will stay. Underwear.

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    sigaba

    @Aleta: Aleta, I’d probably listen to him occasionally on fringe talk radio, he’s just so fascinating weird. I loved listening to Art Bell when he was on.

    Art Bell also had a mail-order Phillipino bride and never ran for president. Remember those carefree days when these people were just fun to listen too and they weren’t demanding the nuclear codes?

    ETA- A topic that has come up more than once in the last few months with friends is how nice things were when all these nuts were obsessed with UFOs and the Kennedy assassination. I think it’s no accident that all this Trumpy-TEA Party nuttery has emerged as the WW2 generation has died off.

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    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @smith: The main reason I expect the lawsuit over Trump raping a 13-year old not to go anywhere is that the statute of limitations ran out over a decade ago. They’re going to need a really creative explanation that the judge buys into for it to go forward. There are also a number of very weird things about the case, dating back to when it was originally filed in California back in the spring.

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    Peale

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: yep. I didn’t not think it’s a Clinton ratfucker filing the suit. But something like that bogus suit against Obama to prove he was a cocaine using hustler. Or picked up a hustler and gave him drugs. Or whatever that ridiculous thing was about in 2008. A loose nut.

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    Xenos

    @smith: The Trump lawsuit involving the Epstien-procured 13yo has been filed twice, and voluntarily dismissed twice, each time so new evidence could be incorporated into the complaint. That makes me think it is a pretty thin case that just hopes to settle should it survive a defense motion to dismiss.

    I don’t think we should expect this one to go anywhere.

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