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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Hail to the Hairpiece / Open Thread: Trump Is Trump, and His Followers Are Just As Terrible

Open Thread: Trump Is Trump, and His Followers Are Just As Terrible

by Anne Laurie|  October 12, 20168:10 pm| 168 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Woman in the Whitehouse 2016, Women's Rights Are Human Rights, Just Shut the Fuck Up

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Why is #RepealThe19th a thing? Apparently weak men can't handle empowered women. pic.twitter.com/Bzc2sFjqwq

— Arisha Ali (@ali_arisha) October 12, 2016

Ok. Don't be shy. How many of you are for #repealthe19th because you wanted slavery again and miscounted?

I wanna see hands.

— 5'7 Black Male (@absurdistwords) October 12, 2016

From the NYTimes today:

… More than three decades ago, when she was a traveling businesswoman at a paper company, Ms. Leeds said, she sat beside Mr. Trump in the first-class cabin of a flight to New York. They had never met before.

About 45 minutes after takeoff, she recalled, Mr. Trump lifted the armrest and began to touch her.

According to Ms. Leeds, Mr. Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt.

“He was like an octopus,” she said. “His hands were everywhere.”

She fled to the back of the plane. “It was an assault,” she said…

Mr. Trump’s claim that his crude words had never turned into actions was similarly infuriating to a woman watching on Sunday night in Ohio: Rachel Crooks.

Ms. Crooks was a 22-year-old receptionist at Bayrock Group, a real estate investment and development company in Trump Tower in Manhattan, when she encountered Mr. Trump outside an elevator in the building one morning in 2005.

Aware that her company did business with Mr. Trump, she turned and introduced herself. They shook hands, but Mr. Trump would not let go, she said. Instead, he began kissing her cheeks. Then, she said, he “kissed me directly on the mouth.”

It didn’t feel like an accident, she said. It felt like a violation.

“It was so inappropriate,” Ms. Crooks recalled in an interview. “I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that.”…

“None of this ever took place,” said Mr. Trump, who began shouting at The Times reporter who was questioning him. He said that The Times was making up the allegations to hurt him and that he would sue the news organization if it reported them.

“You are a disgusting human being,” he told the reporter as she questioned him about the women’s claims…

The proximate cause of today’s #Repealthe19th comes from two graphs at FiveThirtyEight…

what the electoral map would look like if only men could vote versus only women pic.twitter.com/lTSYeEQcbf

— laura olin (@lauraolin) October 11, 2016

… the first of which Trump’s idiot son Eric tried to use as an indicator of positive momentum for fundraising this morning. Women! We’re nothing but trouble!

And we have memories. Long, long memories.

It’s almost exactly the 25th anniversary of Anita Hill’s testimony about her sexual harrassment by a soon-to-be Supreme Court Justice. Thousands of men, that Fall, heard stories from the women in their lives that they had great difficulty believing, because who could have imagined? But women didn’t need to “imagine” — even when it hadn’t happened to us directly, the stories had been shared by so many of the women we knew, usually starting as warnings when we were still children. Trump’s endless, uncaring abuse of women was never a secret, it was just something that Very Serious People (mostly men) didn’t need to know about, so they never bothered to pay attention.

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  1. 1.

    Trentrunner

    October 12, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    I predict there’s a 90% chance our country will implode on itself like a dying star in shame and disgust.

  2. 2.

    dmsilev

    October 12, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    Does anyone really think that these two women are his only victims?

  3. 3.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    No. The Hillbilly guy on MSNBC said there are good people voting for Trump too.

  4. 4.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 12, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @dmsilev: No.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    I guess we now know where all the good guys are.

  6. 6.

    lollipopguild

    October 12, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    I am really surprised that Trump has not talked about bringing back legal slavery. If you are Trump what have you got to lose?

  7. 7.

    CarolDuhart2

    October 12, 2016 at 8:15 pm

    @dmsilev: No. Just the first to go public.

    BTW, it’s worth noting that the deplorables are wasting time doing this instead of actually voting. Which is what I’m perfectly glad they are doing. By the time they actually realize that rallies can’t vote, it may be too late to matter for them.

  8. 8.

    Martha from Augusta

    October 12, 2016 at 8:16 pm

    Somewhat OT: I’m an infrequent commenter and dissatisfied with my ‘nym. Would there be any issue with FYWP if I change it?

  9. 9.

    Cacti

    October 12, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    SNL got the Trump kids right on celebrity Family Feud:

    Don Jr.: “I’m Don Jr., the brains.”

    Ivanka: “I’m Ivanka, the beauty.”

    Eric: “I’m Eric.”

  10. 10.

    lollipopguild

    October 12, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @dmsilev: There are probably thousands of women who who have gotten a “dose” of the Donald.

  11. 11.

    RobertDSC-iPhone 6

    October 12, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    Tired of his orange face. That anyone would support him at all is awful in every sense of the word.

  12. 12.

    gf120581

    October 12, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @CarolDuhart2: Well, according to Trump, they’ve got until after Thanksgiving to vote.

  13. 13.

    Martha from Augusta

    October 12, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @CarolDuhart2: Just wait until Citizens United II when rallies will be defined as people, too.

  14. 14.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    October 12, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @Martha from Augusta:

    no, but the first time you post a comment, you’ll be thrown into moderation. After that you’ll be fine.

  15. 15.

    MattF

    October 12, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @Baud: Yay Maryland.

  16. 16.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 12, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @Baud: My friend that may vote for Trump(he’s been Johnson curious), just wants to see the government burn down. Funny thing, as I was telling the wife the other day, he’s spent his entire life working directly(in the Marines) for the government or working exclusively on government contracts.

  17. 17.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @Martha from Augusta: Never done it, but I think the only issue is that your first comment would have to be approved by a front pager.

  18. 18.

    Keth P.

    October 12, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    From Son of Erick:

    And this is not the big story that shoud be out later this week.

    Tick-tock.

  19. 19.

    skerry

    October 12, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @dmsilev: There have been 4 women just tonight. Over/under on total?

  20. 20.

    Elizabelle

    October 12, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    Had to turn CNN off. Apparently, the GOP response is going to be “Juanita Broderick. What about Bill Clinton?”

    Which is bullshit. Kenneth Starr would have run with any of those allegations, had they not been likely to blow up in his face. At the time.

    We need to figure out how to stop all this rightwing poisoning of our society and discourse. It’s a sickness.

  21. 21.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @Keth P.: Heh. Russia is coming.

  22. 22.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 12, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    @Martha from Augusta: Just change it, your first post under the new nym will be sent to moderation. After that it’s all good.

  23. 23.

    CarolDuhart2

    October 12, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    One example of how Trumpers live in a fantasy world: There wasn’t a single Republican, let alone Trumper, handing out voter guides when I went to early voting today. All Hillary, all Dem. Votes banked are like dollars banked: good for a rainy day. What do I mean? If Election Day has bad weather, votes already cast can prove to be a safe cushion if turnout is lower than expected on the day itself. But Trump is like a cult: they can’t organize themselves to get the job done without guidance from above.

  24. 24.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    October 12, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    @Keth P.:

    This explains a lot about The Donald’s demeanor and freneticism. Smells like his gears are starting to strip.

  25. 25.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 12, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    @Baud: well then it must be true. His people are good people, after all.

  26. 26.

    dmsilev

    October 12, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Via the DKos front page, two more women have come forward in the last couple of hours.
    One in Palm Beach and Miss Washington 2013.

    Trump apologized for the remarks and dismissed them as “locker room talk.” But the debate moderator, CNN’s Anderson Cooper, asked Trump to clarify: “Have you ever done those things?”

    “No, I have not,’’ Trump replied.

    Watching at home in Palm Springs, Fla., McGillivray said she rose from her couch and yelled at the TV screen: “‘You liar!’’’

    McGillivray, 36, said she was groped by Trump at Mar-a-Lago 13 years ago. She said she never reported it to authorities.

    But her companion that day, photographer Ken Davidoff, vividly remembers when McGillivray pulled him aside moments after the alleged incident and told him, ‘’Donald just grabbed my ass!’’

    According to Yahoo! News, Cassandra Searles made a Facebook post about her time on the Miss USA pageant, where she calls Trump a “misogynist” who “treated us like cattle.”

    The full Facebook post says:

    “Do y’all remember that one time we had to do our onstage introductions, but this one guy treated us like cattle and made us do it again because we didn’t look him in the eyes? Do you also remember when he then proceeded to have us lined up so he could get a closer look at his property? Oh I forgot to mention that guy will be in the running to become the next President of the United States. I love the idea of having a misogynist as the President. #‎HeWillProbablySueMe ‬‪#‎iHaveWorseStoriesSoComeAtMeBro‬ ‪#‎Drumpf‬.”
    According to Rolling Stone, Searles added in a comment on her initial post’s thread, “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room.”

  27. 27.

    hovercraft

    October 12, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    @Baud:
    He needs to STFU and stop making excuses for these people. There is no excuse for supporting a racist, misogynist, period. There are poor people of all races who do noy support reprobates like him. As a democrat I’m proud to say that the two incumbent congresscritters who lost their primaries this year were a pair of crooks. Fattah and Brown, we kicked the bums out.

  28. 28.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    Chris Hayes is on fire tonight going all in on the Orange Groper.

  29. 29.

    Chris

    October 12, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Yay, Maryland! I am proud to be from one of the few states where even most men haven’t lost their goddamn minds.

  30. 30.

    eemom

    October 12, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    Tangentially, that POS 538 article and its graphs, which you correctly identify as the proximate cause of this crazy shit, is a perfect illustration of what an insufferable, preening little jerk off Nate Silver has become. Graphing out those two fantasy worlds provided exactly WHAT useful information to the public about this election??

  31. 31.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @hovercraft: This.

  32. 32.

    dmsilev

    October 12, 2016 at 8:23 pm

    @skerry: 4 today. So far; the night is still young. I have a feeling that there are a lot more victims out there.

  33. 33.

    jl

    October 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    I watched a hilarious clip of Michelle Obama on a talk show recently where she imitated that ScFi Trekkie dork nerd she married. Can’t find it right now but will try again. Maybe I clicked on it at this here blog?

    The repeal the 19th is a relatively harmless outlet for the Trumper poison. If his hutso die-hards want to use that tag and publicize that stupidity, it will just mean more GOP disaster at the polls.
    The assault accusations against Trump are starting. My hope for complete GOP melt down by November grows.

  34. 34.

    JPL

    October 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @skerry: Josh Barro figures about 120, although that might be low, imo.

  35. 35.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    Daily newspaper endorsement tally
    Hillary Clinton 105 (17 of these newspapers endorsed Romney in 2012)
    Not Donald Trump 10
    Gary Johnson 6
    Donald Trump 0

  36. 36.

    gf120581

    October 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @dmsilev: And this is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

    Trump has so many skeletons in his closet, he doesn’t need a closet to store them, he needs a fucking TARDIS.

  37. 37.

    Chris

    October 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    he’s been Johnson curious

    Aren’t we all.

  38. 38.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @lollipopguild: Just wait until he wins. All bets will be off. There’s no telling what he would do if he became the most powerful person in this country.
    **shudder**

  39. 39.

    Anne Laurie

    October 12, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @Martha from Augusta:

    I’m an infrequent commenter and dissatisfied with my ‘nym. Would there be any issue with FYWP if I change it?

    The first time you use your new ‘nym, FYWP will funnel it to the spam filter, which is a very useful device even if occasionally a bother for you guys. The next time one of us front-pagers checks the spam filter (in a hour, or a few hours, depending) we’ll “release” that comment back to the thread where you posted it, and all your future comments will be good to go.

    That’s why you sometimes see comments that say Posted to register my new name/laptop/phone — the regulars know what to expect.

  40. 40.

    scav

    October 12, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    Going to be hard to keep up with the bindersfull dropping. guard liveblog has at least two instances of yuch, one about a comment on a ten-year-old (on tape).

  41. 41.

    Regime Touchon

    October 12, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    I like so much that women are playing their woman card.

  42. 42.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @Chris: Me too although we have a Republican Governor. At least for now.

  43. 43.

    gf120581

    October 12, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @eemom: It doesn’t. It’s clickbait, nothing else. Silver is unfortunately a little too concerned with that these days.

  44. 44.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: His Presidential harem would be huge and classy.

  45. 45.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @eemom: this seems a little over the top. Lord knows I’m no Silver fan (#teamwang) but I don’t mind him having fun. I *do* mind people dressing it up as journalism/analysis though.

    Ask yourself, would this have bothered you coming from somebody else? That’s what I asked myself and the answer was no.

  46. 46.

    Keth P.

    October 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: EE has been alluding to rape accusations for months. I think this is what’s coming up.

  47. 47.

    Summer

    October 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    Dear Balloon Juicers, I’ve been lurking here since JC was a Republican, but I don’t post much so you may not know me. But while I might be invisible, you’re my community. So I’m posting a link to my kickstarter for a staged reading of It Can’t Happen Here that will take place at Old Playmakers Theatre on UNC Chapel Hill’s campus Oct. 27. I hope you will contribute. The play is about a fascist takeover of the US by a democratically elected president. It was adapted by Sinclair Lewis from his novel for the Federal Theatre Project, which opened it nationwide on October 27, 1936. We’re doing our reading on the 80th anniversary and the parallels between the script and the news grow closer every day. (OK, the script is a little dated, but STILL) Do please consider sending $10 our way, or $25 if you live in North Carolina and can come to our party.

    Oh, and Ed Helms contributed. Yes, THE Ed Helms.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/499483214/a-staged-reading-of-it-cant-happen-here-october-27

  48. 48.

    debbie

    October 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Which GOP? Surely not the one that’s disavowed Trump?

  49. 49.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    On CNN, Phil Bump of the Washington Post is doing a nice job pushing back against Trump supporting deadenders Jeffrey Lord and Kayleigh McEnany

  50. 50.

    hellslittlestangel

    October 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    I don’t get the charitable assessments of the Little Gloves offspring. Adherence to the old “families are off-limits” standard, I suppose. They strike me as shallow, dumb and entitled, and Don and Eric just look like giant-sized versions of Baron, with their grown-up suits and Vitalised hair.

  51. 51.

    humboldtblue

    October 12, 2016 at 8:28 pm

    Portland senses something terrible. Law enforcement contracts are one sure way of directly addressing accountability. Good luck.

  52. 52.

    Jeffro

    October 12, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    @jk:

    Daily newspaper endorsement tally
    Hillary Clinton 105 (17 of these newspapers endorsed Romney in 2012)
    Not Donald Trump 10
    Gary Johnson 6
    Donald Trump 0

    I knew it was lopsided, but…whew. It’s old school, but it’s more evidence that in its own way, the system – American democracy, a free press – is working. The disease is strictly limited to the empathy/long-term-thinking deficient morons who can’t see past the shimmering, glowing power of Orangemandias, the God-King of Id.

  53. 53.

    ThresherK

    October 12, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    Has the right released an EV map showing distribution if only whites voted? I can’t imagine someone on that side isn’t thinking of it.

  54. 54.

    scav

    October 12, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @debbie: GOP’s going to spinning through a revolving door over their endorsements.

  55. 55.

    TS

    October 12, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Chris Hayes is on fire tonight going all in on the Orange Groper.

    He’s been doing it all week – polar opposite to the Morning Joke

  56. 56.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @Jeffro:

    empathy/long-term-thinking deficient morons who can’t see past the shimmering, glowing power of Orangemandias, the God-King of Id.

    aka deplorables.

  57. 57.

    Mike in NC

    October 12, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    Over 300 houses in our development and the first TRUMP/PENCE yard sign I’ve seen pops up directly next door. No wonder we seldom socialize with those people.

  58. 58.

    Chris

    October 12, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Yes, the fruit of bad midterm turnout.

    I moved back here from Florida last January. My parents were pestering me for months about changing my voter registration as soon as I moved here, instead of dragging my feet about changing my license in FL, “where it really counts.” Until I finally blew up and pointed out that that kind of thinking – “oh, Maryland’s safe!” – is exactly why we don’t have a Democrat in the governor’s house.

  59. 59.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @jk: Good. Trump supporters are trash. How can you support someone as uniquely dangerous as Trump with a straight face and clean conscience? The lies and smear tactics will become more grotesque as we get closer to November 8 (or November 28 per Trump).

  60. 60.

    lollipopguild

    October 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: He would probably start a nuclear war with some country that did not worship him properly.

  61. 61.

    CarolDuhart2

    October 12, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @CarolDuhart2: And even to organize, you have to be in contact with the real people who are voting. Trump would never lower himself to actually phone-bank like Obama and Hillary, because His Awesomeness would have to admit that not every supporter is ready to vote for him, or even can vote for him.

    Am I the only one who has noticed that Trump is stuck in 1985? If I didn’t know better, I would swear that he was Archie Bunker with a few more zeroes in his bank account and much worse taste.

  62. 62.

    Mike E

    October 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @Trentrunner: wait… are you referring to Cole’s house project??

  63. 63.

    Eugene in Eugene

    October 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @dmsilev: We need some sort of running tote board.

  64. 64.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @CarolDuhart2:

    Am I the only one who has noticed that Trump is stuck in 1985?

    He does have an Andrew Dice Clay vibe.

  65. 65.

    p.a.

    October 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    @Martha from Augusta: CU II will be like corporate elections work and the guy (Texan?) in Catch 22wanted: the more $ you have the more votes you get.

  66. 66.

    Frank Wilhoit

    October 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    It is increasingly clear that Trump sees the Presidency as his only shot to quash multiple criminal prosecutions.

  67. 67.

    jl

    October 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm

    The threat of complete obliteration of the alpha male comes straight from the WH
    (trigger warning for all the concerned gents out there)

    First Lady Michelle Obama Does Her Best Barack Impression
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiMUoVjQ5uI

  68. 68.

    Elizabelle

    October 12, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @TS: Morning Joke. Think they’ll be supporting Trump full throttle tomorrow? More likely, they’ll be talking up Bill Clinton, Sex Criminal.

  69. 69.

    zzyzx

    October 12, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-podesta-emails/index.html

    “Clinton “has to go to jail,” Trump warned, adding that the lawyers working for her over the email issue should also be incarcerated.”

    Yep, he’s now arguing that just representing Clinton is a criminal offense. But he’s not a dictator or anything.

  70. 70.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 12, 2016 at 8:34 pm

    @hellslittlestangel: with the exception of Baron and Tiffany, his kids and in-laws are in the “no innocent Germans” category for me.

  71. 71.

    Mary G

    October 12, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    Two more great links not about Trump
    1) Barack Obama: Now is the Greatest Time to Be Alive – November Wired Magazine

    I love this stuff. Always have. It’s why my favorite movie of last year was The Martian. Of course, I’m predisposed to love any movie where Americans defy the odds and inspire the world. But what really grabbed me about the film is that it shows how humans—through our ingenuity, our commitment to fact and reason, and ultimately our faith in each other—can science the heck out of just about any problem.

    John Scalzi on the Whatever blog: My Endorsement for President, 2016: Hillary Clinton

    Either this decades-long persecution of Hillary Clinton on the part of her enemies is largely motivated for their own political and financial benefit, or that Hillary Clinton is a criminal mastermind so good at evading the forces of justice that holy shit we should be glad that she’s finally decided to use her evil-honed skills for the forces of good. Better give her eight years, just to make sure.

  72. 72.

    zzyzx

    October 12, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    My comment with link is in moderation but Trump went full dictator today at his rally.

    Clinton “has to go to jail,” Trump warned, adding that the lawyers working for her over the email issue should also be incarcerated.

  73. 73.

    enplaned

    October 12, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    No one with any grey matter at all ever doubted for a second that Trump was/is a groper. Of course he is.

  74. 74.

    Baud

    October 12, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    @Mary G:

    It’s why my favorite movie of last year was The Martian.

    I just saw it! I liked Apollo 13 better.

  75. 75.

    raven

    October 12, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @Baud: I like Robbie the Robot!

  76. 76.

    Roger Moore

    October 12, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    @Chris:

    I am proud to be from one of the few states where even most men haven’t lost their goddamn minds.

    I am as well. I’m also happy to say that I’m represented exclusively by Democrats, at least in all the offices that are officially partisan. All of our state level offices are currently in Democratic hands, as are my State Assembly, State Senate, US House, and both US Senate seats.

  77. 77.

    Elizabelle

    October 12, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    LOL. Maybe this “ripped from the headlines” episode will be overtaken by events:

    Richmond Times Disgrace:

    “Law & Order: SVU,” the spinoff series that focuses on crimes of a sexual nature, will feature a Trump-themed episode titled, appropriately, “Unstoppable,” according to the Hollywood Reporter.
    It will feature actor Gary Cole – perhaps best known for his role as the man responsible for teaching us all how to pronounce “Nevada” as Kent Davidson on “Veep” – as a politician “whose campaign goes haywire when several women go public with damaging accusations.”

    That might sound familiar. Last week The Washington Post published a video shot by “Access Hollywood” in 2005 in which Trump is seen and heard bragging to the show’s then co-host Billy Bush about the ease with which he can “grab them by the p—.” And just recently, Tasha Dixon, Miss Arizona of 2001, said that Trump walked in on Miss USA contestants in 2001 in various states of undress, using his status as the pageant’s owner to gain access to the women backstage in their dressing rooms as they were changing clothes.

    The coming episode shouldn’t be a complete surprise. After all, showrunner Rick Eid told the Hollywood Reporter in September, “It is possible we may try to explore a story involving some sort of brash demagogue with political ambitions.”

    The episode will also feature guest stars Currie Graham, Meredith Travers, Bianca Amato and returning guest Peter Gallagher.

    It will air on Wednesday, Oct. 26 – less than two weeks before Election Day on Nov. 8 .

    “Unstoppable.” Just as long as the verdict is “Unelectable.”

  78. 78.

    CarolDuhart2

    October 12, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    Example One of His 1985: His dreadful decor. Yes, there are over the top stuff in some houses-some could be called a cross between “Pimp my Ride” and “Home Improvement”. But the gold all over everything went out of style in the early 90’s. I mean, a home that Queen Victoria and Louis XIV would consider excessive was a 80’s signature. Nowadays, gold all over everything is either a sign of a household that is an endless Ren-Fair, or a legitimate palace. No inbetween. Either you live in costume, or spend your time endlessly dedicating town halls and hospital wings, and they call you “Sir”.

  79. 79.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Chris: Too many voters in P.G. County stayed home in 2014. I really was shocked when I woke up the next morning to find out that Hogan had beaten Brown.
    Dang it!

  80. 80.

    TS

    October 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Elizabelle: and emails – don’t forget the emails. But Joe told them last week these people were going to come out and accuse Trump. How can we believe them?

  81. 81.

    Eugene in Eugene

    October 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @Anne Laurie: Thanks for the explanation, AL and others!

  82. 82.

    Bostondreams

    October 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    So Hannity is having an hour long special tomorrow in response to these revelations that will offer ‘new allegations’ that Bill Clinton is a ‘violent predator’ and Hillary is an intimidator who threatened violence against his victims.
    Ugh.

  83. 83.

    chromeagnomen

    October 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @skerry: There have been 4 women just tonight. Over/under on total?

    whatever the number is, i’m taking the over.

  84. 84.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    he’s been Johnson curious

    Phrasing!

  85. 85.

    Mike J

    October 12, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    Frank Luntz Verified account @FrankLuntz
    In the past 60 minutes, stories about 4 different women being groped by Donald Trump have been published.

    27 days until Election Day…

  86. 86.

    Mary G

    October 12, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @Baud: Yeah, me too. I had read the Martian way back and loved it, but the movie didn’t capture the character for me. It was good, but Apollo 13 was a masterpiece. I still watch it when I see it’s on.

  87. 87.

    opiejeanne

    October 12, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    What struck me was the woman on the plane, who said that if his wandering hands had stayed above the waist then she wouldn’t have been so upset, that it was when his hands were up her skirt that she got up and went to the back of the plane.
    She wouldn’t have been so upset if the hands of this stranger had stayed above the waist. This was in the 80s, she’s I think in her 60s now, and this is how socialized women were to not make waves, to not make a fuss, not make a scene. Really disturbing to be dragged back to that time and that way of thinking.

  88. 88.

    raven

    October 12, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    Hayes just had an interview with some snaggle tooth goober talking about “we’re all 2nd amendment experts down here in the south”. She was a fucking piece of work.

  89. 89.

    Calouste

    October 12, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I’d suggest to the people who’d like to see things blown up or burned down, that they start with their own house, as a controlled experiment. If that works, we can take it bigger.

  90. 90.

    Chris

    October 12, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    @CarolDuhart2:

    Am I the only one who has noticed that Trump is stuck in 1985?

    Funny you should mention that particular date. This came up in conversation with other volunteers last weekend:

    Donald Trump was the guy that the Back To The Future writers based alternate-timeline Biff Tannen (second movie, the guy who got rich off of the sports almanack) on. In other words: thirty fucking years ago, pretty much everything about Trump was already public knowledge, and he was already ridiculous enough to be a movie punchline. Yet somehow, a huge chunk of the country saw Biff Tannen and thought it’d be a good idea to run him.

  91. 91.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @Elizabelle: “Crooked Hollywood!”

  92. 92.

    hovercraft

    October 12, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @ThresherK:
    Eric did tweet out the Men Only Map to show their supporters how well they’re doing and beg for money.

  93. 93.

    Roger Moore

    October 12, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    @eemom:

    Graphing out those two fantasy worlds provided exactly WHAT useful information to the public about this election?

    It’s intended- and IMO serves quite effectively- to illustrate how big the gap in presidential preference is between men and women. There’s been a sizeable gap for a while, but Trump is increasing it.

  94. 94.

    gf120581

    October 12, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @Bostondreams: And like pretty much everything of Hannity’s, it will be full of shit.

    Another nice side effect of this election is watching whatever shred of credibility Hannity possessed destroyed. He’s nothing now but a pitiful Trump shill. Expect him to jump to whatever media entity Trump starts up after he loses.

  95. 95.

    TS

    October 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    John Dean on MSNBC – not sure I should admit I always thought he was badly done by – the scapegoat for Nixon – young and naive. Similar situation with Christie – no idea why Bridget Anne Kelly didn’t come out with what Christie knew – he made her the No 1 scapegoat.

  96. 96.

    raven

    October 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @Martha from Augusta: How about

    Not So Sweet Martha Lorraine

  97. 97.

    Chris

    October 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I was similarly sad when I woke up and got the FL election results. And pissed, because I was really hoping to get an ACA expansion that I was going to be needing pretty badly.

    Was overseas at the time, and took the trouble of getting an absentee ballot well in advance because that election fucking mattered. Alas, too many people couldn’t be bothered.

  98. 98.

    raven

    October 12, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @gf120581: Did you see the woman at the rally just before him?

  99. 99.

    TS

    October 12, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @Bostondreams: Hannity is preaching to the converted – only the true believers will be watching

  100. 100.

    bmoak

    October 12, 2016 at 8:48 pm

    @jk:

    Don’t the National Enquirer and the New York Observer count?

  101. 101.

    Davis X. Machina

    October 12, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: A thousand years from now historians will debate whether it was Johnson’s clinton, or Clinton’s johnson, that destroyed the republic.

  102. 102.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @raven: Not to be mean but I doubt she’ll have the stamina to engage in any revolting when Trump loses. Her revolt will consist of angry rants in YouTube comment sections and on Righty blogs.

    I wish the reporter had pushed her to explain what she meant by taking her country “back”. Back from whom?

  103. 103.

    hovercraft

    October 12, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @Mary G:

    Hillary Clinton is a criminal mastermind so good at evading the forces of justice that holy shit we should be glad that she’s finally decided to use her evil-honed skills for the forces of good. Better give her eight years, just to make sure.

    Love it.

  104. 104.

    MattF

    October 12, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    Rank and file evangelicals getting queasy about Mr. Shitgibbon.

  105. 105.

    CarolDuhart2

    October 12, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    I don’t get people who want to “burn things down” and see what happens. As someone who got to see two riots in her childhood, what happens next is seldom good. We went from corner deli to having to go out to the neighborhood for basic needs. Just now is the old neighborhood starting to revive, and that’s because it was hollowed out and is now on the verge of gentrification.

    But these people think that their house won’t burn down, the mail would be delivered, and grocery available even in turmoil. Of course some are preppers who hope for chaos to give them the chance to actually and finally dominate those groups they hate because they think the groups they hate will mindlessly attack them. Think of all of the fantasies of social breakdown they had; 2000 computer breakdown, UN Army suddenly showing up to take their guns, whatever. They’ve been seething for years in frustration.

  106. 106.

    Bostondreams

    October 12, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    @gf120581:

    I agree. Anything possibly like this would have been dug up 20 years ago for sure. It’s just so dang disgusting.

  107. 107.

    durindal

    October 12, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    I made the mistake of watching video of Trump’s Panama City Beach rally. Giuliani was bad enough, but Trump… just a constant stream of lies. And people continue to cheer… Even though they could easily check any of his lies. I should be used to this by now, but it’s utterly depressing still. And a friend of mine on FaceBook made a completely innocuous comment about wanting this to all be over, at which point, she was jumped on for being an evil Hillary supporter, I am not sure how… Between all this and the continuing stream of effluent from the Trump campaign, I am ready to scream until the sky falls… I think that I will go on an extended news fast. Sorry, just ranting….

  108. 108.

    jl

    October 12, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    So completely befuddled and terrified they have no clue what they are doing or how stupid and craven it looks. Reporter asks Ryan what his position is on Trump now, and Ryan keeps referring him to Trump campaign. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving crew of swindlers.

    ” Told Ryan’s office only HE can answer qts about whether he’ll keep endorsing Trump amid NYT sex allegation. Referred to Trump campaign again ”

    https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/786361162476744704

  109. 109.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @Chris: Tis the mid term curse where Dem voters become lethargic in non-Presidential elections.

  110. 110.

    durindal

    October 12, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @MattF: Now they’re getting queasy?

  111. 111.

    Bobby Thomson

    October 12, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    @hellslittlestangel:

    I don’t get the charitable assessments of the Little Gloves offspring.

    She had to come up with some sort of lie for the “Compliment your opponent” bullshit they always spring in the townhalls. That one was relatively safe, even though it ignored that Trump has said publicly he’s not involved in child rearing at all – and that his kids are everything you say.

  112. 112.

    NoraLenderbee

    October 12, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @jk: Didn’t the NY Post endorse Trump back in April? (I call the Post a “newspaper” out of courtesy.)

  113. 113.

    smith

    October 12, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @Calouste:

    I’d suggest to the people who’d like to see things blown up or burned down, that they start with their own house, as a controlled experiment. If that works, we can take it bigger.

    Or offer him a one-way ticket to Syria to see firsthand what happens when everyone starts blowing things up.

  114. 114.

    Elizabelle

    October 12, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    @CarolDuhart2: They should burn down their own homes first, right now, because surely mansions will rise in place.

    And leave the rest of us alone. They are not serious people.

  115. 115.

    TS

    October 12, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    ok – just turned off Hayes – can’t get much lower than this “guest”

  116. 116.

    raven

    October 12, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: Who they gonna fucking shoot with their precious 2nd Amendment hardware? Hero cops, hero troops?

  117. 117.

    Roger Moore

    October 12, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @Mary G:

    Hillary Clinton is a criminal mastermind so good at evading the forces of justice that holy shit we should be glad that she’s finally decided to use her evil-honed skills for the forces of good.

    I sense a plot for Frankensteinbecks’ next series.

  118. 118.

    Jeffro

    October 12, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    @Calouste:

    I’d suggest to the people who’d like to see things blown up or burned down, that they start with their own house, as a controlled experiment. If that works, we can take it bigger.

    This is excellent and works on multiple levels. That ‘blood of patriots’ they’re always wanting to water the Tree of Liberty with comes to mind.

  119. 119.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    Refuse to watch Greenwald on Hayes. He should just move to Russia and be done with the charade.

  120. 120.

    NotMax

    October 12, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    @Davis X. Machina

    Nah, everyone will be speaking Chinese by then, and the wordplay won’t work.

    :)

  121. 121.

    MattF

    October 12, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @durindal: Last leg of the RW coalition is coming off. That’s significant.

  122. 122.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    @raven: No one. They’re just like Trump. Love to run their mouths. Zero action. Sad!

  123. 123.

    debit

    October 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: I’ll be mean. I commented to my daughter that she’ll only be rising up if someone finds Momma’s prying bar. I regret nothing.

  124. 124.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @bmoak:

    Neither of those publications are dailies. In any case, the lopsided nature of these newspaper endorsements is pretty amazing. On Oct 9 alone, Hillary received endorsements from 3 Alabama newspapers.

  125. 125.

    hovercraft

    October 12, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    @Bostondreams:
    Sean Hannity is the communications director for the campaign, so they will attempt to SQUIRREL everyone, but since it’s all old news, it won’t work.

  126. 126.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @MattF: “Weak! Low energy!”

  127. 127.

    philadelphialawyer

    October 12, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @eemom: Um, the graphs (maps, actually), er, graphically demonstrate the gender gap, that’s what.

  128. 128.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 12, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @JPL:

    Josh Barro figures about 120, although that might be low, imo.

    By the most curious of coincidences, the MET Opera Live in HD transmission on October 22 is Mozart’s delicious Don Giovanni. Among its most famous numbers is the “Catalogue Aria,” wherein the servant Leporello rattles off a list of the Don’s conquests….

    “In Italy, six hundred and forty,
    In Germany, two hundred thirty-one,
    A hundred in France, in Turkey ninety-one,
    But in Spain already, one thousand and three!!”

    How very, very timely.

    Note to all Atlanta-area Juicers: I have one pair of comp tickets to Don Giovanni for that performance. Starts at 12:55 p.m. at the Regal Perimeter Point in Sandy Springs. If you’re interested, let me know by email SiubhanDuinne (at) gmail (dot) com, and I’ll send you the particulars. First come, first served.

  129. 129.

    Jeffro

    October 12, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @CarolDuhart2

    :

    Of course some are preppers who hope for chaos to give them the chance to actually and finally dominate those groups they hate because they think the groups they hate will mindlessly attack them. Think of all of the fantasies of social breakdown they had; 2000 computer breakdown, UN Army suddenly showing up to take their guns, whatever. They’ve been seething for years in frustration.

    True, but that’s a small group, relatively speaking. What we might be smart to do iis remind Trump’s older, whiter, above-average-income base that…with enough of a shake-up, their 401k goes POOF. They’ll probably appreciate a strong safety net at that point…

  130. 130.

    Eugene in Eugene

    October 12, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Are we still doing that?

  131. 131.

    Jeffro

    October 12, 2016 at 9:02 pm

    Ack, I reversed the block quoting! Sorry CD2!

  132. 132.

    NotMax

    October 12, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @raven

    Sigh. Another example of how the bulk of the South will weather the zombie apocalypse just fine. A food desert for the roving undead.

    ;)

  133. 133.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @NoraLenderbee:

    The NY Post endorsement was a primary endorsement, not a general election endorsement, According to Wikipedia, Trump received only 4 newspaper endorsements during the primary season and 1 of those includes the NY Observer that’s owned by his son-in-law.

  134. 134.

    MattF

    October 12, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @NotMax: BRAINZZ

  135. 135.

    Les Bonnes Femmes

    October 12, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    Meanwhile Carolyn Ryan, Amy Chozik, and Mo Dowd all had sads today.

  136. 136.

    Punchy

    October 12, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @Bostondreams: I know this is really crass, but whatevs….I wouldnt shed a goddamn tear if Hannity was diagnosed with stage 3 anal cancer tomorrow. Not covered by his insurance. Then divorced by his wife, who was adulterous with Warren Buffet and George Soros.

  137. 137.

    mike in dc

    October 12, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @skerry: 20, my estimate from the prior thread. I’m taking the over.

  138. 138.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @debit: Lol! She’s a typical Rightwinger. They love to make threats that they can’t keep. And Republicans keep egging them on.

  139. 139.

    Eugene in Eugene

    October 12, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @raven: Good suggestion, but just a little too late.

  140. 140.

    opiejeanne

    October 12, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    @eemom: I am so over Nate Silver. This is too bad because 4 years ago and 8 years ago his page was a great resource; now I can’t stand to read the articles at his site and I have been suspicious that he had his thumb on the scale until recently, when his polling results now magically match those of Sam Wang at Princeton’s Election Consortium.

  141. 141.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 12, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @jk:

    Until this year, I guess it never occurred to me to ask, but do television/radio/cable networks ever do endorsements of major candidates? Obviously in the case of all of Fox News, and many of the individual shows on CNN and MSNBC, we know how they would endorse, but I’m talking about a formal, editorial decision to go with (or oppose) a particular candidate. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of such a thing, and I just wonder whether it’s ever happened.

  142. 142.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    @Les Bonnes Femmes:

    Maureen Dowd is one of the saddest excuses for an op-ed writer.

  143. 143.

    Dork

    October 12, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @TS: and I had no idea that Bill Clinton was running for Office of the President again. These infidelity rumors may hurt his electablility!

  144. 144.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 12, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @Mary G: Love Scalzi — especially when he’s getting under the skin of racists like Vox Day.

  145. 145.

    Anne Laurie

    October 12, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    @Bobby Thomson:

    She had to come up with some sort of lie for the “Compliment your opponent” bullshit they always spring in the townhalls. That one was relatively safe, even though it ignored that Trump has said publicly he’s not involved in child rearing at all – and that his kids are everything you say.

    Also, every woman is expected to the godsdamned Motherhood is the most important job bullshit, but especially political women of Hillary’s generation. “See, we’re not really lesbian separatists who hate babies! We don’t secretly plot to put every stay-at-home mommy in a factory while we indoctrinate her children!” I actually smirked in the moment, to hear the ‘Gosh, what’s really significant about Don’s character is that he’s raised up such wonderful children!’ — while the camera pans over his sons looking belligerent & stupid, Ivanka narrowing her eyes suspiciously, and poor Melania (who’s closer in age to the kids than to her husband) visibly checked out.

  146. 146.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 12, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: To put a bow on this: Gary Cole (the Trump expy in the upcoming SVU) had a recurring role in Archer as Special Agent Holly.

  147. 147.

    WereBear

    October 12, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @CarolDuhart2: I find it difficult to take preppers seriously when they have five years worth of dehydrated food but not a single jug of water.

    Yes, they think water will still be flowing from the tap when civilization collapses.

  148. 148.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:

    To the best of my knowledge the answer to your question is no.

    I’ve been thinking about magazines that don’t traditionally endorse prez candidates. So far Hillary has been endorsed by the Atlantic, in what was only its 3rd prez endorsement in about 150 yrs, and by Foreign Policy, which has never endorsed a prez candidate.

    Given the unprecedented nature of this race, I’m curious to see if Hillary can get any more endorsements from magazines that have never before provided endorsements.

  149. 149.

    Les Bonnes Femmes

    October 12, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    @opiejeanne: I hear you. I am still very okay with him, though. I think he was blindsided by Trump’s popularity, and, sadly, his platform is the most clickbait-driven he has ever had to perform under.

    His algorithms may be skewed more towards the challenger, and his use of four, count ’em four, forecasts definitely ARE over the top.

    Ultimately, he is still doing what Bill James did for baseball. Everyone is catching up, though. He’s trying to make Moss on the IT Crowd seem sexy.

    I imagine his numbers on Election Day will be about 90% for an HRC win. And, about a 330-210 Electoral College victory for HRC.

  150. 150.

    rikyrah

    October 12, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    @dmsilev:
    Nope.
    Not even close.

  151. 151.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @Jeffro:

    In light of all the stories coming out about Trump being a sexual predator, it will be amazing to see if Trump gets any newspaper endorsements besides the NY Post and NY Observer.

  152. 152.

    Eugene in Eugene

    October 12, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @opiejeanne: One thing I do like is his hexagonal EV map. Much cleaner looking than the one House o’ Wang uses.

  153. 153.

    jk

    October 12, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I wish the NYPD could deputize Mariska Hargitay for the next 28 days, so that if any credible sex assault case against Trump in NYC arises between now and Election Day, she’d have the honor of slapping handcuffs on him.

  154. 154.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 12, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @Davis X. Machina:

    A thousand years from now historians will debate whether it was Johnson’s clinton, or Clinton’s johnson, that destroyed the republic.

    No love for Anthony’s weiner?

  155. 155.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 12, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    @raven: County Joe and the Fish. Cool.

  156. 156.

    Joel

    October 12, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @CarolDuhart2: They can just fly their asses to Venezuela and see what happens firsthand.

  157. 157.

    dww44

    October 12, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Baud: Translate, please. Who’s the MSNBC hillbilly guy?

  158. 158.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 12, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @Eugene in Eugene:

    Are we still doing that?

    Well, I am. Nobody told me otherwise.

    However, I believe we are no longer making reference to anything being “good news for John McCain.”

  159. 159.

    Anne Laurie

    October 12, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    I sense a plot for Frankensteinbecks’ next series.

    Isn’t there a “heretical” (non-canonical) book of the Bible that claims Satan does all his work at Jehovah’s behest? Because the One Lord can’t be sure his subjects are really good loyal people unless they’re stress-tested, IIRC. “Lucifer wept.”

  160. 160.

    wuzzat

    October 12, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    @jk: My hometown paper endorsed Hillary, and the last time they endorsed a presidential candidate it was probably Nixon.

  161. 161.

    The Lodger

    October 12, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @Anne Laurie: Read Job carefully.

  162. 162.

    NotMax

    October 12, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @jk

    Neither of those have yet endorsed for the general, only for the primary.

    NY Observer lost its food critic over that. From April:

    Last week, after the paper endorsed Donald Trump for president of the United States in a bizarro editorial, I resigned. It’s not quite falling on my sword, more like leaning gently on a butter knife. I had long known, of course, that the paper teetered toward Trumpism. It is owned, after all, by Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, the boyish real estate scion married to the Donald’s daughter, Ivanka Trump.

    But the editor, Ken Kurson, had assured its readers – and writers – that the paper would remain neutral. “I decided as editor that there wasn’t a great way for the Observer to cover him,” he wrote in July. “The appearance of conflict was unavoidable.”

    And then, last week, the veil came off. It had, in truth, been slipping. Earlier this month, a story broke that the editor had helped Trump with his speech to Aipac. Even before, the Observer had run a bizarre takedown of a Trump political nemesis, the New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman. There was even some business wherein the paper ran Putin propaganda. Putin is, according to Trump, his BFF. Source

  163. 163.

    randy khan

    October 12, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @eemom:

    Besides the comment from others that it’s fun, it’s also a very stark illustration of the gender gap in this election, and effective in conveying that information. Now, it would be more useful if he’d done the same thing with, say, 2012, so we could see the difference, but it’s interesting enough on its own.

    Plus also too it led Eric, the not-as-bright Trump brother, to send out an email using the men-only map, giving us further opportunities for mockery.

  164. 164.

    KS in MA

    October 12, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Summer: What a great idea. Good for you! I’ll kick in a few bucks. Don’t know the play; the book is pretty dated in some ways too, but it’s terrifying–probably more today than ever!

  165. 165.

    JR in WV

    October 13, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @Martha from Augusta:

    No, you’ll get moderated the first time you post with a new Nym, someone will release your moderated post, and from then on you’ll be fine.

  166. 166.

    Brachiator

    October 13, 2016 at 1:58 am

    @ThresherK:

    Has the right released an EV map showing distribution if only whites voted? I can’t imagine someone on that side isn’t thinking of it.

    It wasn’t the right, but a while back some news site did a series of EV maps of the 2012 election, showing men only and white only outcomes.

    People could either read this as a pictorial representation of how things have changed or a vision of their supremacist fantasies.

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    Original Lee

    October 13, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: The county didn’t supply enough voting machines. The election judge in my precinct was begging voters to go home and call the county board of elections to tell them we needed more machines. People were not as motivated to vote as in 2012, so I could see people who had gotten tired of waiting or who had run out of time leaving the line.

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