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Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

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And we’re all out of bubblegum.

I’d hate to be the candidate who lost to this guy.

This really is a full service blog.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

The GOP couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse with a fist full of 50s.

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David Nir, Kos’ political director who helped us create our “winnables” list, reports on a new poll that looks at Trump’s impact on down-ticket races:

  • Against a Republican “who continues to endorse Donald Trump” the Democratic margin moves from a 7-point advantage to a 12-point advantage.
  • Similarly, against a “Republican candidate who had supported Trump previously, but just withdrew their support” the Democratic margin moves from a 7-point advantage to a 12-point advantage.
  • Finally, even against a “Republican candidate who never formally endorsed Donald Trump and now says they won’t vote for him” the Democratic margin moves from a 7-point advantage to a 10-point advantage.

Let’s give them some money to hang Trump around their opponents’ necks:
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  4. 4.

    Calouste

    So basically just mentioning the Groping Orange Pedophile in conjunction with any GOPer running causes them to lose support.

  8. 8.

    Corner Stone

    I have been assured by a commenter here that the worst candidate put forth by a major party, ever, has already missed a golden opportunity to call in these down ballot ticket races.

  13. 13.

    gbear

    Now I’ve got Martha Reeves and the Vandelles playing in my head.

    Thanks, mistermix.

    Literally. Thanks. I needed that.

  16. 16.

    piratedan

    @gbear: and for arcane reasons, that always evokes for me the Baseball Furies scene from The Warriors, still a stellar tune.

  17. 17.

    kirbster

    @Mike J: That’s huge. When I lived in Orlando (1994-2003), we called the daily newspaper “the Orlando Slantinel” because it was pretty right wing and never endorsed Democrats.

  19. 19.

    ? Martin

    12 points is the estimated margin to overcome gerrymandering. That’s correct – Dems need to win the popular vote about 56-44 in order to get the smallest of majorities in the House.

  20. 20.

    Peale

    @Major Major Major Major: Hillary is such a odd duck. Trying to get elected dictator of something so she can destroy it. What’s the point? I thought she wanted it simply to loot it and for the improved access to sex that power and fame bring. Who can know what she’s thinking.

  21. 21.

    jk

    Lowlife Lou Dobbs publicized the address and phone number of Jessica Leeds, one of the women who accused Donald Trump of groping her, to his 792,000 followers on Thursday morning.

    Dobbs linked to a post from a conservative news site that purported to link Leeds to the Clinton Foundation. The site published Leeds’ address and phone number — taken from public records — and then claimed, falsely, that her phone number is the same as a phone number for the Clinton Foundation.

    He also quoted a tweet from a Trump supporter, which has since been deleted, that included Leeds’ phone number and address.

    Dobbs’ tweet has been retweeted more than 800 times.
    Update, 3:25 p.m.: Dobbs tweeted a link to this post along with an apology: “My Retweet, My Mistake, My Apology to Jessica Leeds”

  22. 22.

    Trentrunner

    The entire country heard Trump say he sexually assaults women, because he can.

    Nearly a week later, a bit of movement toward Hillary in the polls, maybe, but that’s it. Tied in Ohio again.

    I guess the fallacy is that Trump’s numbers should fall commensurate with the deplorability of what he’s shown to have done.

    But I guess not.

  24. 24.

    Walker

    @Trentrunner:

    The polls this cycle are weird. Why are so many polls using likely voter models based on 2004 demographics? It is hard to figure out what the polls are saying.

  26. 26.

    piratedan

    @Trentrunner: well, I think that there are still shoes to drop per some of the scuttlebutt I’ve heard here on the blogs. Hillary hasn’t even dropped a couple of the more potent items that are still sitting in her oppo research bin. I’ve heard allusions to one of them being racially based… unsure if the other one is his Russian ties or his business savvy. I would bet on the later.

  27. 27.

    Mandalay

    @Calouste:

    the Groping Orange Pedophile

    A relatively minor allegation against Trump that won’t get researched further, but rings completely true, was posted in the comments section of the NYT article about the new allegations against Mr. Octopu*(sy):

    I’m an 18 year old college freshman, and in February I attend the Republican debate at Saint Anselm College in New Hampshire with my AP Government and Politics class. I went up to the stage during a commercial break and shook hands with several candidates. When I put my hand out to Trump, in a fashion that very clearly intended a handshake, he reached past my hand and touched my cheek, saying, “So beautiful.” It was disturbing and inappropriate, especially since I was obviously a student (I was surrounded by a group of my peers and do not look particularly old for my age). I was in shock and I didn’t say anything, but I regret not standing up to him for that small but unacceptable act.

    Not sexual assault, but definitely inappropriate and creepy.

  29. 29.

    Loneoak

    Is there any way to give to ActBlue and *not* have my name proliferate on elebenty campaign mailing lists in states I don’t live in? I think that is how I came to get emails from Oklahoma and North Dakota democratic candidates I’ve never heard of.

  31. 31.

    D58826

    @jk: Gee nice apology (snark) Lou but the number is out there now.

    @Trentrunner: This is the most depressing part of the campaign – to think that 40+% of the public thinks this guy is qualified to be President. Even if the tape had never surfaced he would be totally unfit for dog catcher let alone POTUS. I would not let him take the public WH tour let along have a chance of moving in.

  32. 32.

    Mnemosyne

    @Walker:

    Why are so many polls using likely voter models based on 2004 demographics?

    Because they think African-American voters only turned out in large numbers in 2008 and 2012 because there was a black candidate on the ballot.

    I wish I were kidding, but that’s the reason.

  35. 35.

    Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck

    I’m sorry, but I have to chime in with the majority here. I was ASSURED by my progressive betters, just this morning, that Hillary’s lead on Trump was not only not reflected in the downticket races, but things were actually getting worse. Surely the people who warned me that Obama was going to announce massive social security cuts in his State of the Union address can be relied on.

  36. 36.

    Eric U.

    according to one of my idiot cousin’s idiot children facebook post, Hillary is in favor of killing babies as long as it happens before the baby is a day old. How do you reach people like that? Do they get this information from South Park?

    Not my job, “Hide”

  37. 37.

    bluefish

    @jk: Scary business. Hope she has a stellar support system and can pack up and leave for a stretch. Deplorable of Dodds.

  39. 39.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Major Major Major Major: International Bankers = The Jooze? Feels like some kind of dog whistle. Why would a Billionaire care about anyone palling around with bankers?

    @Eric U.: No South Park is actually quite liberal in a libertarian kind of way. I guess the lies from the Rightwingers will get more desperate as we get closer to the Election. There is no way to reach people like that. They’ve already gone way over the deep end.

  40. 40.

    Trentrunner

    My conclusion is that Trump’s (and the GOP’s) FUD around Bill’s transgressions and around the Wikileaks is actually working, keeping the race close.

    I’m trying to imagine how women feel about Trump STILL being this close to winning.

  42. 42.

    lollipopguild

    @Iowa Old Lady: Trump does what he wants because he thinks that he is special and that the women are enjoying his attention. When you are a special sort of snowflake then there are no boundaries.

  44. 44.

    Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck

    @Patricia Kayden:

    International Bankers = The Jooze?

    You don’t seem to be up on this one, so I’ll explain. This isn’t even a dog whistle, in the sense that there’s no attempt to hide, they just assume you kn ow what they mean. Yes, this is straight-out hardcore anti-semitism, neo-Nazi style. Jewish bankers run most of the world, and are plotting to take what remaining freedoms good white Christians have left. This isn’t Holocaust-denier stuff, this is ‘the Holocaust was a good start’ stuff.

  45. 45.

    Lyrebird

    @Loneoak: Major^4 pointed out that if you have a gmail address you can add something like myname+bleg at gmail.com (with the plus sign), you can then filter out the emails. Haven’t yet tried putting in notmyrealemail at hotmail or something like that. They need real names and professions and so forth, but since people without email addresses can donate, surely you could give a false email address and donate. Main risk there is if someone goes on hotmail and makes that their account name.

  46. 46.

    lollipopguild

    @Eric U.: A customer told me that Hilz is going to bring in 60,000 syrian refugees and that she had announced this at the last debate. They simply make it up. allways have, allways will.

  48. 48.

    aimai

    @Trentrunner: No one ever lost an election because they were too awful for ALL Americans. The 27 percent crazification factor, combined with gerrymandering,means that there are always going to be enough assholes who love someone like trump to give our candidate a run for their money.

  50. 50.

    Lyrebird

    @Mnemosyne: TOtally flippin’ forgetting the advantages HRC had over Obama in at least some Southern Af-Am communities during the primary!

  51. 51.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah he seems to have gone into randomly firing twirling death blossom conspiracy theory cannon mode.

    The thing is that “At long last, have you no shame?” wouldn’t even work, because it would be like “At long last, have you no oh wait, it’s you, of course you don’t, never mind”.

  52. 52.

    Mandalay

    @lollipopguild:

    When you are a special sort of snowflake then there are no boundaries.

    This. Here’s another anecdote posted in the comments section of the NYT article about Trump groping two women:

    In the late 1980s Donald Trump tried to pick up my secretary. This was while he was married to Marla Maples and getting great press for being such a good “family man.” My secretary was doing nothing except standing at the front entrance of the Plaza Hotel with her uncle, who was one of the doormen. Trump looked her up and down, and then turned to the uncle and told him to tell my secretary to meet him in his office in Trump Tower at a certain hour that afternoon. Then he turned, walked down the steps and got into his limo, without ever once saying anything to my secretary.

    Trump followers will insist that the poster is a liar, and there is no evidence that this actually happened, but the story rings completely true.

    As with Cosby, drip, drip, drip…

  53. 53.

    Origuy

    From Bloomberg:

    Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump rebuffed political aides’ requests to research his past, people familiar with the matter said, a decision that contributed to his campaign being caught unprepared for the past week’s barrage of claims he mistreated women.

    It’s SOP to have a team dig though the candidate’s past, to find what the opposition will. Not doing that, Trump set himself up to be blindsided.

  54. 54.

    Patricia Kayden

    @jk:

    Dobbs’ tweet has been retweeted more than 800 times.
    Update, 3:25 p.m.: Dobbs tweeted a link to this post along with an apology: “My Retweet, My Mistake, My Apology to Jessica Leeds”

    Yeah sure. Someone needs to tweet around Dobbs’ home address and then follow up with a trite apology like he has done. Disgusting moron.

  55. 55.

    catclub

    @D58826:

    Gee nice apology (snark) Lou but the number is out there now.

    I have to assume that the NYT reporters told her “this would probably happen, and are you ok with going forward anyway?”

    That is probably why they an say there are others as well.

  56. 56.

    ? Martin

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah, somewhere around 12-15 points then their gerrymandering becomes their undoing. The key to making gerrymandering work is to build thin R majorities in some districts and deep D majorities in others. In a state with 50% D and 50% R and 5 districts (20% of voters in each), you build something like a 62D/38R district and you build 4 47D/53R districts. In a tight election you concede the heavy D district but you win the other 4. In a D+5 election, you still win 80% of the seats. In a D+8 election, you get wiped out – you get nothing.

    Wave elections are rare and Republicans have been able to count on increased turnout in midterm elections, so it’s a fairly safe strategy for them. This might be the one year that it completely comes apart. Ryan is in an R+3 district. If it were anyone else, he’d probably be toast, but having someone that powerful in your district is beneficial even if you lean D.

  61. 61.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Origuy: Trump is so used to yes men and yes women that he’s probably shocked that anything in his past would be criticized. In his own mind, he’s flawless and therefore there is no reason to research his past.

  62. 62.

    Keith P.

    “To compare running for president to an erotic film or an erotic movie, an erotic novel, it’s crazy,” Navarro responded. “If he wants to be held to that standard, great. Then go write ‘The Art of the Groping.’”

    Ana Navarro has really been on fire this election.

  66. 66.

    Mandalay

    Another first hand account of Trump’s creepy behavior from the comments section…

    This is my “Trump Story”. In the spring of 1996, I was in a charity fashion show hosted by DIFFA. The event was held at the Puck Building. Donald Trump was there with Marla Maples.

    The organizers set up hair, make up, and wardrobe on one of the upper floors. The racks of clothes were set up in such a way as to provide some privacy to the women/girls who were changing into their outfits. The idea was the models could step through the clothes and change without being in full view of the rest of the room.

    At the end of the night, all of the models were changing back into their street clothes. I remember getting dressed, turning around, and seeing Donald Trump standing in the middle of the clothes racks watching all of us.

    Drip, drip, drip…

  69. 69.

    ? Martin

    @Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck: Well, I’d argue the dogwhistling bit. It certainly isn’t to anyone over 30 or 40 but to young voters this is probably completely new to them unless they hang out on Twitter or in 4chan. We’d tamped down most of the Jews are taking over this country stuff (replaced them with Japanese, then Arabs, now Mexicans and Chinese) but it’s come roaring back.

    As to the Trump supporters there, I have to wonder if the Holocaust deniers were being shouted down by the rest because while they believe they Holocaust happened, maybe it wasn’t such a bad thing.

  72. 72.

    ? Martin

    @Patricia Kayden: Yeah, the structural advantage the GOP has built in the house is really hard to overcome. Winning state legislatures going into 2020 needs to be a priority, or getting some kind of redistricting reform at the federal level. Not optimistic about either.

  73. 73.

    PVDMichael

    Well Lucy has set down the football one more time…

    “I can’t think of a bolder way for Donald Trump to lose even more footing than he has already than by engaging the first lady of the United States” warned deputy press secretary Eric Schultz.

  75. 75.

    aimai

    @Mandalay: I said to my husband that by the end of the election season it will be easier to ask the entire country who hasn’t been sexually abused by Trump than who has. We can ask for a show of hands. I don’t think very many hands will go up.

  76. 76.

    jk

    More idiocy from another wingnut

    Dinesh D’Souza: “I guess it is now fine for men to use women’s bathrooms but not for the CEO of Miss Universe to walk into a woman’s dressing room.”

  77. 77.

    hovercraft

    @Peale:
    Obama failed us, so she must complete the mission, we have to set up the FEMA camps, we need to ban Christmas and Thanksgiving, we need to cancel the constitution and ban all future elections, and ban all religion. While at the same time instituting Sharia Law, and the we have to send out the UN to collect all the guns, and ban golf courses because water conservation. We need to use eminent domain to confiscate private land to build the North American superhighway.
    She has a lot of work ahead of her.Obama failed us.

  79. 79.

    Mandalay

    @Baud:

    Wonder if Trumpsters will start planting fake stories to try to discredit all of them.

    Well a Trump spokesperson alleges that Jessica Leeds is lying because of this claim that she made:

    About 45 minutes after takeoff, she recalled, Mr. Trump lifted the armrest and began to touch her.

    Said spokesperson claims that she throughly researched the issue on the internet, and insists that no first class seats at that time had removable armrests.

    If the internet says so, who are we to argue?

  80. 80.

    ? Martin

    Looks like Alaska is the next state in play. Like Utah strong 3rd party seems to be hurting Trump enough to put Clinton in the running.

  81. 81.

    Patricia Kayden

    @jk: Transgender women are women, not men. Period.

    So Rightwingers are okay with a grown man walking into a room full of young women changing clothes in states of semi-dress or nakedness? Alrighty then. Deplorable.

  83. 83.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Mandalay:

    no first class seats at that time had removable armrests.

    That ridiculous claim by Katrina Pierson has already been debunked just like every other piece of foolishness that she has argued. She needs to go back to her days as a shoplifter.

  85. 85.

    scav

    @jk: Does Dinesh and all his manly manly ilk customarily disrobe in the public portions of men’s restrooms? Or, does they assume that’s what goes on in women’s restrooms. I mean, not even in the stalls.

  91. 91.

    Mandalay

    A highly credible first hand account of Trump sexually assaulting a reporter for People Magazine, published by People Magazine:

    We walked into that room alone, and Trump shut the door behind us. I turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat… [exactly what he told BillyBush he does]

    I was stunned. And I was grateful when Trump’s longtime butler burst into the room a minute later, as I tried to unpin myself.

    The butler informed us that Melania would be down momentarily, and it was time to resume the interview…The butler left us, and I fumbled with my tape recorder. Trump smiled and leaned forward.

    “You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?” he declared, in the same confident tone he uses when he says he’s going to make America great again.

    Drip, drip, drip…

  92. 92.

    Fair Economist

    @? Martin:

    Winning state legislatures going into 2020 needs to be a priority, or getting some kind of redistricting reform at the federal level. Not optimistic about either.

    Winning state legislatures generally has the same problem as winning congressional seats – the districts are outrageously gerrymandered.

  95. 95.

    hovercraft

    @Mnemosyne:
    Because we never turned out for any white candidates before, it’s not like whites and Latino’s and Asian voters turned out in higher numbers than ever before. But I guess we were the only ones who were doing so only because he was black. It couldn’t be that we hated the stupid war, or we were afraid that another republican would finish the job of destroying the economy, none of those things would have brought us out in record numbers, we just wanted the first hip hop president.

  96. 96.

    Kay

    Watching cowardly GOP House members on CNN defending Donald Trump’s actions is interesting.

    Having alienated Latinos, African Americans and Muslims I guess they’re kicking “women” out of the tiny, little bitter tent.

  97. 97.

    ? Martin

    @Mandalay: Alas, other people besides Trump got to sit in first class. In the early 80s, as a teenager I got put on standby for a flight and was offered a first class seat. So I sat up there with people in suits, with my baseball cap and torn jeans and walkman. When you’re 14 and flying alone across country and they dump you in first class with people that wouldn’t otherwise give you the time of day, you remember every fucking second of it. That arm rest definitely went up. I played with everything, ate everything, got hot towels and the whole thing.

  99. 99.

    Patricia Kayden

    @hovercraft: So disappointed that Barbara Comstock’s Republican seat in Virginia is safe. She’s so odious that I thought she was at risk but not according to Sabato’s ratings. Dang it!!

  101. 101.

    Kay

    Also amusing to watch Republicans swear eternal allegiance to Wikileaks. “Wikileaks is what we should be talking about!”

    God almighty. Have any of these hacks ever uttered the word “Wikileaks” prior to Wikileaks targeting Clinton?

  102. 102.

    hovercraft

    @Patricia Kayden:
    She’s in the leans category, with the women coming out and his reaction to that, he may yet give us the few points we need to tip those lean seats into the toss-up category.

  105. 105.

    Kay

    @lamh36:

    Why is Haplerin pointing to NC as a good poll? Is NC a Democratic state now? Did they move the goalposts to favor Donald Trump again?

    I want Halperin’s emails hacked. Let’s see everyone’s emails. They’re thrilled that Clinton’s emails were stolen? Okay, then. Let’s see all of theirs.

  106. 106.

    Gelfling 545

    So I listened to a little of Trump’s speech. Just a little because hearing him makes me want to hurl. He seems conflicted on whether he is the reincarnation of Hitler or the second coming of Christ.

  107. 107.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    @Kay: Why yes – yes they did.

    Republican wants WikiLeaks labeled as terrorist group

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton should review whether WikiLeaks can be declared a terrorist organization, according to a senior Republican.

    Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), the incoming chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, called for U.S. officials to get aggressive against WikiLeaks after the website published highly sensitive, classified diplomatic cables that reveal frank assessments of foreign leaders and the war on terror.

    “I am calling on the attorney general and supporting his efforts to fully prosecute WikiLeaks and its founder for violating the Espionage Act. And I’m also calling on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to declare WikiLeaks a foreign terrorist organization,” King said on WNIS radio on Sunday evening.

  109. 109.

    ? Martin

    @hovercraft: Shows Dems picking up 3 in CA, with 3 more in the lean-R category including Issa.

    Come on people, does CA have to do all the fucking work around here? Dems have 38/53 seats. We’re looking at 41/53. That’s out of 188 Dems in the House. CA can’t be doing 20% of the work. Pull your weight!

  110. 110.

    Mnemosyne

    @hovercraft:

    There is a certain segment of the political world that is 100 percent convinced that there are a bunch of un-motivated white voters who sit on their hands every year, and all you have to do is motivate those voters to get to the polls for a Reagan-like victory. Bernie’s people fell for that myth, and Trump’s people fell for it, too.

    Personally, this middle-aged white lady is pretty sure that minority turnout is going to be higher than ever before and Trump and his cronies are going to be freakin’ swamped by the wave they don’t think is coming. And their enraged astonishment on that day is going to be so, so sweet to me.

  111. 111.

    scav

    @hovercraft: If the ground under polls expectations of voter turnout shifts, (see above), things will be unpredictable. And there are a lot of demographics that are very far from gruntled.

  114. 114.

    Mandalay

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:

    Curt Schilling says Trump lusting after a 10 year old girl is perfectly normal because he lusts after his own 10 year old daughter’s friends.

    And the female Fox Business host only offered mild pushback, and treated him as a cheeky-but-lovable scallywag. She should have told him he was a vile, sick fuck.

  115. 115.

    trollhattan

    @Gelfling 545:
    “Unshackled Trump” sounds like a very bad, not good idea. Were I Jewish I’d be checking calendars to see whether they’ve reset eighty years back.

  117. 117.

    Keith P.

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: That was a bizarre little interview. I know he’s not an official surrogate, but Trump really has some shit supporters. Trump puts them in a very difficult position, but I’m still amazed at how far they’re willing to drive their own car off a cliff. I’m watching Pete Hoekstra try to defend Trump right now. It’s not Conway-bad, but still, how the hell do you literally complain about women with unfounded 10-year-old accusations while almost immediately going off on how Bill Clinton’s alleged improprieties from 30 years ago are relevant to his wife’s suitability for office. It’s just an impossible position to take without getting raked over the coals by the interviewer.

  118. 118.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Mnemosyne: Agreed. I hope the number of votes are especially up for Latinos who are pissed off at Trump’s xenophobic comments about Mexicans. I still can’t believe that he began his campaign with a speech attacking one of the largest and growing voting blocs. ***shakes head side to side in amazement***

  120. 120.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Baud: Poor Jared. Broke his Sabbath to come up with a scheme to defend Trump’s “grab women in the pussy” boast but still sees Trump’s ratings crashing. God don’t like ugly.

  121. 121.

    ? Martin

    @Baud: The fuck you don’t. Michigan is solidly blue and has 5/15 dems. Virginia 3/11. Florida 10/27.

    We didn’t give up a single seat in 2010. We gained in 2012 and 14. Go fix this shit.

  122. 122.

    hovercraft

    @Kay:
    Because he is Mr. Good News For John McCain, every glimmer of hope must become the most important indicator ever, good news for for Clinton (I think it was him) I was told yesterday is actually good news for Trump, because every time she gets into a good position, she becomes complacent and screws up.

  125. 125.

    Mnemosyne

    @Patricia Kayden:

    There have been consistent reports that [email protected] voter registration is way up this year. There has been no detectable rise in new registrations by white voters.

    I think that the pundits are going to get blown away by the [email protected] vote this year, because I have heard that the Clinton campaign has been very smart and put fluent Spanish speaker Tim Kaine on every available Spanish-language outlet.

    I guess we’ll find out for sure on 11/8 whose strategy worked better, but I’m pretty sure which one it will be.

  126. 126.

    hovercraft

    @Kay:
    He’s Mr Good News For John McCain. Yesterday I think it was him who said that all the good news for Hillary was good for Trump because every time she gets a big lead she screws it up.

  127. 127.

    ? Martin

    @lgerard: Yeah, you guys are great – well, except for that Brown thing, but that’s okay, we all fuck up, and you really made good on that as you note. CT is good. NY is mysteriously good considering how shitty their election system is (seriously guys, what the fuck?). IL is good. I mean, we have a lot of good states out there, but some of y’all are just fucking not pulling your weight.

    Fuck, we’ve got our shit together so well we’ve got a Democrat running against a Democrat for our Senate seat. You guys should do that more – makes this way the fuck easier. Think of how much DSCC money we’re shoveling to everyone else.

  130. 130.

    Brent

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Schilling, amazingly, is attempting to conflate the idea of thinking of a 10 or 12 year old as “pretty” with discussing that same 10-12 year old in overtly sexual terms. He seems not to be even able to grasp that sexualizing a 10 year old in that way doesn’t have to proceed to the level of actual molestation to be completely inappropriate and gross. That’s really, really disturbing to watch.

  131. 131.

    oldgold

    Yesterday, Trump said the debates are rigged and the he has “had it” with them.

    Has there been any clarification as to what “had it” meant? Specifically, will he be attending next week’s debate?

  132. 132.

    scav

    @Brent: Sexualizing, plus asserting the authority that she will be necessarily available to you in 10 years, no questions need be asked (and, tangentially, irregardless of your own future marital status — or hers, for that matter).

  135. 135.

    Mnemosyne

    @oldgold:

    I’m guessing that his campaign staff is begging him to show up, because there’s NO WAY Hillary cancels if he does. She’s going to get a free 90 minute campaign commercial if he doesn’t show, so her campaign really wants to be thrown in that briar patch.

  136. 136.

    hueyplong

    @Gelfling 545:

    “So I listened to a little of Trump’s speech. Just a little because hearing him makes me want to hurl. He seems conflicted on whether he is the reincarnation of Hitler or the second coming of Christ.”

    Word has it Hitler was a little confused on that point, too.

  137. 137.

    ? Martin

    @oldgold: I think they should cancel the debate and go with 2 back to back 45 minute events. In the first, an intervention with Donald Trump by an assortment of influential women moderated by Fox News Megyn Kelly. In the second, a 45 minute one-on-one town hall with Hillary Clinton and Ken Bone. Bone picks all the questions.

  139. 139.

    trollhattan

    Now Trump is telling NFL players to stop being sissies about the whole concussion thing. Sad!

    During a Trump campaign stop in Florida on Wednesday, a woman in the crowd fainted. She was treated for heat exhaustion and then returned to the rally. On stage, Trump was struck by her toughness, and boasted of how resilient his supporters were – tougher, even, than NFL players.

    “That woman was out cold, and now she’s coming back,” Trump said from the podium. “See, we don’t go by these new, and very much softer, NFL rules. Concussion … ‘Uh oh, got a little ding on the head? No, no, you can’t play for the rest of the season.’ Our people are tough.”

  140. 140.

    ? Martin

    @Baud: The dark side to CA right now is our poor safety net for homeless people, and a NIMBY pandemic that will destroy the state economy. I don’t know when protecting multimillion dollar properties against the blight of affordable housing became a liberal imperative, but that shit needs to stop.

  142. 142.

    Patricia Kayden

    @scav: Yeah because he can date any chick he wants to, right? It’s not as if she may not be interested in dating a 46+ year old man when she is in her early 20s.

  144. 144.

    Patricia Kayden

    @oldgold: I don’t get it. I thought Trump was pretty confident that he won the second debate. He was boasting about beating “Crooked Hillary” for days after the debate so what changed? Did he all of a sudden figure out that he lost both debates? Sad.

  148. 148.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Baud: Had Baud been a Trump advisor, he wouldn’t be melting down into a gooey puddle right now. It’s a shame he hasn’t availed himself of your services after you ended your own campaign.

  149. 149.

    Schlemazel

    @Gelfling 545:
    I work with a young guy who is a very devout Christian. He is also a dyed in the wool Republican (no idea why). He does not push his religion on anyone so I respect that part. The asshole was on TV during out lunch today going on about how he has sacrificed & how he has suffered to save America. My co-workers comment was “does he have a crown of thorns?” Trump has lost this guy at least.

  154. 154.

    Kay

    Donald Trump once told 14-year-old girls, ‘In a couple of years, I’ll be dating you’

    I feel like 14 year old girls would be good at sneering at him and walking away :)

    So gross that he thinks this is some kind of high point for them, meeting this giant, sniffling wreck with his weird shiny hair.

  156. 156.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Mike J: but the way there’s a mass delusion among well-meaning liberals that policies which serve only to enrich the landowners will somehow help the poor or the environment.. and that all construction is just a handout to developers/the Chinese… smh

    ETA: @WereBear: I frakking love that movie. Have the anniversary tin box version.

  157. 157.

    Baud

    @me: Personally, I’m not all that happy that the NYT is restoring their reputation by being Trump’s target.

  158. 158.

    Elizabelle

    Hello buds. About to watch the NC Senate debate: Deborah Ross vs. Richard Burr.

    So good to know Burr’s seat is in play. Bring it on!

    In gubernatorial debate, McCrory tried to associate Roy Cooper with John Edwards. Funniest to me, though: McCrory kept begging Cooper not to bring up social issues. Which are usually what the GOP runs on, but not when the bathroom bill blew up so badly on McCrory. It was amusing.

    Chuck Todd moderated the gubernatorial — and did well.

    We have Jonathan Karl for the senatorial. Gag.

    Deborah Ross up first. In power fuschia. And she’s got some good ads up about Washington being good to Burr, even if he hasn’t been good for NC.

  159. 159.

    Kay

    @me:

    “If my news organization did that, I would be uncomfortable.”

    Yes, because he’s such a serious journalist. He’s probably mad Trump is tanking because he can’t write a stupid book about his hero.

  163. 163.

    jk

    @lamh36: @Kay:

    Warning: Prolonged exposure to Mark Halperin may induce nausea. Halperin and Howard Kurtz are the most repulsive members of the both sides do it bedwetter’s brigrade.

  164. 164.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Elizabelle: Chuck Todd moderated the gubernatorial — and did well.

    First time I’m seeing “did well” and “Chuck Todd” in the same sentence without a “not do”. So Todd can be a journalist from time to time. Good to know.

  165. 165.

    Elizabelle

    And first question from Jonathan Karl to Dem candidate Deborah Ross: why do people not like Hillary Clinton? A poll says they find Donald Trump more trustworthy.

    Le sigh.

  167. 167.

    lamh36

    I DON’T TRUST ANYONE ON MSNBC OR NBC when it comes to Donald Trump….NBC has likely been knowing FOR YEARS that Donald Trump, was a sexual predator!

  170. 170.

    Elizabelle

    Burr is “going to support my nominee. I am going to support Donald Trump.”

    Well alrighty then.

  171. 171.

    Elizabelle

    Burr is tethering himself to Trump. Give the man an anvil!

    Jonathan Karl finds that interesting. He throws a question about Trump’s sexual assaulting.

    Burr says if Trump says he didn’t do it, he didn’t do it. Notes how many Republicans are standing with Trump.

    Deborah Ross cannot believe her good fortune, although she throws Hillary under the bus for the emails.

  172. 172.

    Elizabelle

    @lamh36: NBC is toxic. They have a LOT to answer for.

    I’d like to see Jeff Zucker lose his job over this. NBC is clearly infotainment, and shucking and jiving for the GOP, even while they hide behind MSNBC’s three hours nightly (with repeats) of libtard programming.

    Plus: Andrea Greenspan. Gag3.

  173. 173.

    jk

    @Baud: @Patricia Kayden:

    The best part of these remaining days is seeing the wingnuts lose more of their shit with each passing day. I’m looking forward to Sean Hannity’s reaction when Trump gets humiliated on Election Day.

  174. 174.

    ? Martin

    @lamh36: News divisions are entirely separate, and if anything the news division is unlikely to go digging through their own parent companies laundry, and an NBC employee isn’t going to leak tape to their own network – they’ll leak it to a competitor to ensure it gets aired.

  176. 176.

    ? Martin

    @Elizabelle: Zucker is head of CNN now. But agree, he should be canned at the very least for paying Lewandowski to barf all over the TV under their label.

  178. 178.

    jk

    @lamh36:

    Don’t forget all those blowjobs Trump got from that pukestain Joe Scarborough and his dimwitted sidekick Mika. Aside from rebuking Trump for his birtherism, Chris Matthews spent a lot of time salivating over Trump

    @Elizabelle:

    Jeff Zucker was the jackass who thought CNN hiring Corey Lewandowksi was a good idea.

  179. 179.

    Elizabelle

    @? Martin: Oh, sorry. Zucker is with CNN now. Which explains that network’s circling the drain.

    CNN has been good, if all Trump, recently, but they have months to account for .

    #fireJeff Zucker!

  181. 181.

    Patricia Kayden

    @jk: Karl Rove is who I want to see. He was a hoot in 2008 when Ohio went for Obama. Unforgettable.

  182. 182.

    Roger Moore

    @Trentrunner:

    I’m trying to imagine how women feel about Trump STILL being this close to winning.

    I assume that a substantial fraction of white women like his racism more than they hate his sexism.

  183. 183.

    Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Did he all of a sudden figure out that he lost both debates?

    Yes. He knew on-stage when he lost the first debate, which is why he spent the rest of the week in a rage fit attacking the weakest targets he could find. In the second debate she didn’t actually humiliate him in front of the audience, but he also tried all his abusive male power tricks, and they had no effect. He spent a couple of days trying to reassure himself that he won, until he got enough media feedback to find out Hillary beat him again. The worst wound of his life cut deeper, he’s lashing out in every direction. If you’ve ever spent much time with abusive narcissists, Trump’s behavior is really easy to read. It’s not that he always believes he won, it’s that admitting he lost, even to himself, is unendurable. He craves external validation much more than regularly insecure people.

  187. 187.

    Shalimar

    @Kay: I thought writing wrap-ups of Republican presidential losses was how Halperin made his name. Trump should be their biggest book ever.

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