Trump passed a fact check with flying colors:
Trump tells Billy Bush that he sexually assaults women; New York Times finds two such episodes. Trump passes a fact-check.
— ErikWemple (@ErikWemple) October 13, 2016
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some guy
Kreepy Klown Kar still rolling along.
get out the damn vote
redshirt
Might be the first time Trump said something true.
germy
The Making Of Hillary Clinton and the other guy
You can do a year-by-year comparison of their lives
sigaba
Dear Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder:
WHERE IS MY BALLOT?
-Signed, Sigaba
Betty Cracker
According to Uday Trump, the hot mic moment was perfectly normal:
Yeah, no.
Roger Moore
@redshirt:
I don’t know. A lot of the insults he lobbed at his competitors in the primary seemed pretty spot on. ¡Jeb! really was low energy, Ted Cruz really is a liar, Carly Fiorina really was terrible at business, etc.
Waldo
The Times’ response to Trump’s libel threat is a thing of beauty:
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@redshirt:
Pants on Fire true!
scav
@Betty Cracker: I know, Mean old NYT introducing political content and information into an election for president — that’s got to be worse than fact-checking! That’s not what the media is for, which is applauding and smoothing one’s way to one’s latest hobby (presidenting or killing game) or shoving cute woman into your arms for a hug after a vigorous bout of being non-robotic.
sigaba
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: At least he kept his pants on long enough for them to catch fire.
James E Powell
@Roger Moore:
Totally agree. Trump exposed the cold realities of the Republicans. They were all stunningly weak candidates.
dmsilev
@Waldo: If ever someone needs to know what “screw you, ferret-head” looks like in legalese, we can just refer them to this letter.
? Martin
@Betty Cracker: Hey, the base is a basket of deplorables. Trump is with his people. He validates their shitty morality.
sigaba
@Waldo: Note that this response is explicitly designed to put Trump on notice that if he wants to have a libel suit, the Times is going to put the his rep on trial. That’s going to be their line of attack — he can’t realistically claim that his reputation’s been harmed when he himself admits to this stuff in public.
NYT to Trump: If you’re enjoying how this week is going, sue us and we’ll make the next five years of your life just like it.
gwangung
@Waldo: As somebody else pointed out, the beauty of this burn is that the standard argument (which is usually the winning argument) is the absence of malice standard.
Going this route is a slow, slow burn topped off by grinding the ashes in the wound.
Hillary Rettig
It’s not really my beat, but I wish one of the other front pagers would call out Howard Stern for his role in enabling shitty racists and sexists for decades. I was always disgusted when supposedly progressive / liberal friends liked him. I think they considered him transgressive, but he was just a crude panderer.
FlipYrWhig
@Betty Cracker:
Um, Eric? See Donald Trump’s Decades-Long Obsession With Being President, The Week, July 24, 2016.
See also The Political Provocateur Roger Stone Talks Trump, The New Yorker, May 2, 2016, including:
Calouste
@Betty Cracker: The Groping Orange Pedophile first ran for President in 2000 trying (and failing) to secure the Reform Party nomination.
Salient detail: when he dropped out of that race he called David Duke a clansman and Pat Buchanan a neo-Nazi.
WaterGirl
@dmsilev: I dated someone whose father was a dean at a major university. He kept a stamp in his desk that said: “Fuck you, strong letter to follow.”
I like to think he used it on occasion.
Rob in CT
@Hillary Rettig:
I honestly never saw the appeal of Stern, even before I realized I was a liberal.
? Martin
@Calouste:
Little did we know that was his way of endorsing them.
Peale
@Waldo: Yep. Once you have tape of him bragging that he can do it anytime he wants to and his response was “locker room talk!” his side can’t really argue that he doesn’t want to be known as a guy who can touch women and get away with it. They can just shout and assume that by shouting louder somehow they win.
But really, I don’t think shouting in front of a judge is very much winning the case.
Bill E Pilgrim
This is the kind of thing that could put Snopes into a repeating loop that brings the whole site down.
Donald Trump’s claim that he sexually assaults women: True
Donald Trump’s claim that his claim that he sexually assaults women was false: False
Donald Trump’s claim that our claim that his claim that he sexually assaults women oh forget about it
catclub
@WaterGirl: makes more sense if a telegram form.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Hillary Rettig:
I think even Stern would agree, since he’s apparently doing real interviewing as a result of some kind of mea culpa self-awareness shtick now that he’s “grown up” and is no longer a man-baby at the age of 62.
schrodinger's cat
@Bill E Pilgrim: I have found instances where Snopes was wrong.
nonynony
@Hillary Rettig:
Transgressive comedy is hard. Every transgressive comic thinks they’re George Carlin. Most of them are actually more like Andrew Dice Clay.
I had the same relationship with Stern – liberal friends who thought he was hilarious when I just thought he was mean. At this point though I don’t know anyone who still listens to him. Not sure if its because he finally said something that gored their ox and they shut him off or if it’s because their taste in humor shifted. Or both – getting old means both are possible.
aimai
@germy: What a great comparison set. I love it.
Bill E Pilgrim
@schrodinger’s cat: I looked up what you just wrote on Snopes and it says that you’re wrong.
Yeah, doesn’t really surprise me. Re what you said. It’s good for things that are fairly clear, lots of evidence, which they include, and just things that I didn’t know about particularly and they have the goods. I wouldn’t imagine it being infallible though.
clawback
Well, it was when he was a Democrat.
hovercraft
@Betty Cracker:
The sociopath doesn’t fall far from the sociopath.
hovercraft
@Waldo:
Oh SNAP !!
sigaba
@Rob in CT: I had roommates out of college who always listened to him in the morning. One of them (black fellow by the way) got Sirius radio just so he could hear him and pronounced that terrestrial radio was dead, because it no longer had Howard Stern.
No question it was a really gross show but it was entertaining. I never really got into it because I found it impenetrable, all his co-hosts and buddies, and then all of their friends, everyone getting called out about who they were sleeping with or whatever, it was like Game of Thrones and I could barely follow what was going on.
One thing I will never forget: After the Columbia exploded during re-entry, Dan Rather was doing the live coverage and people were calling in accounts of debris, seeing streaks in the air, etc. One guy called in and said, “Yeah, I see a big piece of wreckage in my front yard, white, metal, about three feet long. It’s almost as big as Baba Booey’s teeth!” The image wasn’t on Rather’s face at that moment, but it sounded like he about threw up.
Richard Mayhew
If you want to laugh and point at a proud possessor of Dunning Krueger, go read Dilbert’s creator, Scott Adams argue that Trump won the second debate:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151599421561/quick-debate-reactions-from-switzerland
Hillary Rettig
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: screw him and his “atonement” after decades of pandering
burnspbesq
If the case goes forward, how much would you pay to watch Trump’s deposition on pay-per-view?
Hillary Rettig
@nonynony: I’d still like him called out on decades of shitty behavior.
Punchy
“Grab them by the pussy” is the new “off color”. Got it. Run with that.
nonynony
@schrodinger’s cat:
Snopes is not an infallible authority, they’re a fact-checking website. Sometimes they get things wrong.
They even acknowledge this themselves. They have a few fake articles posted about the Truth about Mr. Ed (did you know he was really a zebra?), how “Sing a Song of Sixpence” was really an old pirate sea shanty (complete with the meanings of each of the lyrics), and how the Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant chain had to change its name to KFC because the state of Kentucky was going to start charging them a licensing fee for using the name “Kentucky”. All of these articles have a footnote that links to an article about “False Authority Syndrome” and how you shouldn’t just believe something just some authority tells you its true.
Snopes is a great site, but even the founders wanted to make sure that people were using their own brains instead of just believing whatever they read on the Internet. And it’s something that people using Politifact and whatever should also keep in mind.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Hillary Rettig:
Never understood Robin Givens going along with him. The whole thing felt slimy and debased.
schrodinger's cat
@Bill E Pilgrim: They are good regarding internet hoaxes and the present day news, not so good when it comes to history.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Richard Mayhew: They taught him how to “pivot”, is all that means, he must have finally consented to going through some actual training. So he went from being a complete clown unable to dodge charges from his opponent to a typical slippery hack who now knows how to change the subject. Luckily the charges against him were spectacular enough that responding to them with “Now regarding my bragging about sexual assault, the real answer is ISIS” fooled almost no one except airheads like Mr Dilbert.
Peale
@burnspbesq: Does he get a piece of it? Then nothing. It will need to be the first free pay per view in history for me to agree to watch. If you could convince me that the deal was structured so badly that Trump actually lost money for every subscriber, I might pay for that. Except I know that would mean he wouldn’t be paying taxes for another 20 years.
? Martin
@nonynony: I don’t listen to Stern but this article stood out to me.
I suspect a lot of his old listeners were a bit like Trump’s audience in that when the line into cruelty is crossed, they didn’t notice. Sounds like Stern didn’t either, but now he does.
Bill E Pilgrim
@schrodinger’s cat: Right. Makes sense.
Jeffro
@James E Powell:
I dunno…for a while I was a little worried about a late surge by Gilmore. He exhibited a certain tenacity. Probably would have been a formidable town-hall-format debater.
Alas…
WereBear
@Rob in CT: I liked the Howard Stern movie. Apparently if you compress most of his career into 90 minutes, there’s funny stuff there.
Anoniminous
@Hillary Rettig:
There’s a thundering herd of reasons the modern Feminist Movement grew out of SDS and other New Left organizations. “Get me a chick to do some typing” was one of the milder things uttered. There was some really vile things being said in 68/69.
Roger Moore
@Hillary Rettig:
Feel free to make it your beat. There’s no requirement for a front pager to limit themselves to one topic, especially if it’s important and none of the other front pagers are talking about it.
ETA:
He’s also boring. Transgressive humor is best in limited doses, not as a multi-hour daily show.
hovercraft
Apparently the media has forced Trump to change his strategy. Every time his team has tried to dismiss the allegations against him as old and therefor invalid, the media has thrown his accusations about Bill Clinton in their faces and asked then why are those relevant, so during his speech there was no mention of Bill’s accusers, instead they focused more on wikileaks and the media. The question is how long he will resist just throwing that in anyway, the teleprompter is not a guarantee that he won’t go there. Katy Tur also thinks that may also be why he cancelled Hannity with the women, and also why they were not with him on stage as they promised yesterday that they would be. David Bossie has a sad.
Hal
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Robin Quivers. Though I’m sure Mike Tyson’s ex wouldn’t mind the radio gig since it’s lasted so long. I think quivers functions as Stern’s black friend force shield against racism charges.
WereBear
@Roger Moore: I agree, Hillary, post if the spirit moves you. FWIW, I think you are right about Stern.
slag
@Betty Cracker:
Palling around with…ewwww.
Jeffro
@Rob in CT:
HS = boring
ETA I see Roger Moore and WereBear agreed in advance…my bad…repetition is boring too. =)
bemused
Jaw dropping projection from Trump today, Hillary and media are declaring war, they will stop at nothing, our country is at stake. Sickening.
Roger Moore
@Hal:
And woman friend against sexism charges. See, it’s all in good fun!
catclub
Innocent times of long ago – Oct 11.
Roger Moore
@catclub:
Andrew Malcolm is a hack’s hack.
Iowa Old Lady
Holy crap. I take a couple of hours to try to get some work done and 1) Michelle Obama is awesome and 2) Donald Trump parades his lunacy in front of the world–again. He really can’t help himself. He is what he is.
Walker
DougJ goes out of his way to use song lyrics for his post titles, yet we don’t have a thread talking about Bob Dylan and his Nobel Prize?
Ripley
This is a thing of beauty: I Love To Hate You – Clinton & Trump
glory b
@Hillary Rettig: I don’t know, I always thought it was good to hear them out themselves.
Stern’s humor was never something I appreciated, but he’s a great interviewer. People started conversations claiming subjects were off limits and 20 minutes later, revealing everything they planned on keeping quiet about.
Also, he asks everyone the question I always have, ” How much do you make?”
Roger Moore
@Iowa Old Lady:
I think he’s gotten distinctly worse as the campaign has gone one. Hanging around with a bunch of fringe wackos has rubbed off and made him much crazier than he was before.
WereBear
@Walker: We had one a few posts back.
dmsilev
@catclub: To be fair, evidence suggests that Trump is biologically alive, and he was in Florida, so strictly speaking that statement is true.
His campaign, on the other hand, is in hospice care with a Do Not Resuscitate order in place.
Rommie
Here’s a thought experiment: the people who are down for repealing the 19th amendment could construct arguments for doing the same to 13-18 just as easily. Since the 18th (no booze) is already nuked by the 21st, the booze supply is in no danger. The rest are just – hey, we did it that way for thousands of years, and there’s plenty of justification in The Bible. Enough’s enough!
redshirt
@Walker: Heh. You mean the post by Doug just three down?
sempronia
@sigaba: My LA County sample ballot just showed up two days ago. I think the actual ballots are about a week behind that.
Yutsano
@Betty Cracker:
Will no one think of the poor pronouns?
Also: I haven’t been the 69th comment in forever!
patroclus
What is interesting to me is the difference in the way Arnold handled these sorts of allegations at the end of a campaign and how Trump has handled them. Arnold admitted his prior gropings – saying “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” and apologizing (somewhat sincerely) for his “playfulness” in the past. Basically, he was honest about it. And, because the allegations came out a little later than now and the circumstances were different, he actually won the recall. Now, I don’t really like Arnold and wouldn’t have voted for him, but his ability to respond in a somewhat honest and sincere way is quite different than the doubling down and ridiculous denials and multitudinous conspiracy theories that Trump has been spewing. Everything Trump says doesn’t ring true and he simply won’t admit bad behavior and he just goes nuclear about every criticism. The behavior was similar; but the method of handling it has been way different.
? Martin
@Roger Moore: Definitely. This turn into anti-semitic new world order dogwhistle stuff is really kind of amazing. You can almost get away with the soft sexist stuff (she doesn’t look presidential) because we are entirely too numbed to it that we give it a pass too readily, but the ‘Jooz are coming to steal your money’ stuff I thought we had transcended as a mainstream thing, that we had successfully tied it to neo-Nazism and that it wouldn’t be tolerated, but I may have been mistaken. The emboldenment on Twitter is entirely obvious but I thought that was more of a byproduct of Trump, and not going to be part of his core message.
MCA1
You know, there was a lot of talk early on about how it might turn out that Trump was trying to hand Hillary Clinton the keys to the White House, whether as a knowing Dem plant or an old friend or whatever. That, of course, required putting some faith in his ability to pull a really long con (starting, at latest, with the birther movement).
I’ve got an alternate conspiracy theory: Trump is actually being underwritten by a secret international cabal, led by John Cole, who are attempting to prove the existence of the Crazification Factor. He is well on his way to pulling in 27% of the national vote November 8. He just couldn’t believe how barking mad he had to go to get through the Both Sides media filters, but finally accomplished that by directing the release of first hand audio/video last week.
The Moar You Know
@Hillary Rettig: Worse than a panderer, he became boring, as all “transgressive” comics become. Even Carlin couldn’t escape that fate, although he tried.
Ben Cisco
Dad’s out of MICU and has been transferred to a hospital/rehab center closer to home. Prognosis looks good.
Still waiting for followup regarding my own.
LOVED Michelle nuking Hair Furor from orbit.
geg6
@patroclus:
That would probably be because Arnold has a modicum of intelligence and shame. Hair Furor is significantly lacking both those traits. I cannot stand Arnold, but his native intelligence is proven by his ability to make something of himself when he came from almost nothing. And I think Maria instilled some shame into the man, at least before she dumped his ass.
Face
I’m official tired and deeply sickened by this campaign season. Can’t handle any more Trump news, since it just continues to get worse exponentially.
The Moar You Know
@patroclus: That is interesting, because there’s no difference in what they did at all and I’m sure their victims were equally traumatized.
I will give Arnold this and only this: he didn’t go around trying to fuck kids and kept his raping to women approximately in his age cohort. Trump has tried to fuck teenagers. Many times.
Feathers
@Hillary Rettig: That should go for all radio. I do the overnight rentals with Zipcar and I am continuously appalled by the misogynist bullshit spewing out of every pop music station. How much of workplace gender issues is caused by sitting through some dude complaining about his bitchy wife or girlfriend and how she just nag, nag, nags, and doesn’t put out anymore?
WaterGirl
@Ben Cisco: Good news about your dad. But I apparently missed the latest of what is happening with you. Haven’t you had enough to deal with this year???
nonynony
@Rommie:
Um, most if not all of the the people who are down for repealing the 19th amendment would be very happy with repealing the 13th-18th as well.
17th – Direct Election of Senators – I’ve heard the idea of repealing this one bandied about recently.
16th – Allows Congress to levy income tax without previous restrictions – many of them already believe this one was unconstitutional because Congress had never recognized Ohio as a state when it passed (seriously)
15th – Forces states to allow all men the right to vote based on race or color – nuff said about this one
14th – Equal protection and definition of birthright citizenship – Trump is basically running on repealing the 14th
13th – abolishes slavery – abolishing this one might have fewer champions, but then again maybe not.
So yeah. They also probably would like to see the 23rd, 24th and 26th amendments revoked while we’re at it. And the first amendment rewritten so that liberals and non-Christians are not covered by it.
scav
@Ben Cisco: So that’s more good news today. All the best.
sigaba
Carrie Fisher says Donald Trump “Absolutely” Does Cocaine after Another Debate Full of Sniffles
And this lady knows from cocaine.
Ben Cisco
@WaterGirl: I would tend to agree with you, but the universe apparently has other ideas. Suspected ruptured disk, had MRI last Friday to confirm/deny.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Ben Cisco:
So glad for this news! May it continue to be good for you.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@nonynony:
And while they’re at it, might as well get rid of that stupid “well-regulated militia” crap in the 2nd.
Old Dan and Little Anne
I loved listening to Stern when I was younger. Sitting on a lawnmower from 6 am to 10 am for my $4.50 an hour summer job it was a great way to pass the time.
? Martin
Teachable moment about password management.
Podesta’s Apple account was ‘hacked’ and his devices wiped. Looks like he had a weak password on a different account and reused the password on his Apple account. This is the most common way people get hacked. Some throw-away account that you didn’t care about got hacked – something you may have used only once – a message board or some kind of community site. Hackers got that password and your login and they run script that will check thousands of other sites – banks, etc. to see if the same login/password works there. Too often it does. A friend of mine had his entire life unravel due to a hack on an enthusiast forum that gave up the l/p for his primary email. Hackers once they get your account reset the password to something they only know, and change the reset email as well. In his case they also got into his primary email, which means they could change that password and now have access to all of the reset requests. They could send password reset requests to every site on earth, and they did. Basically, they owned him completely. It took him months to undo the damage.
So, here’s what everyone here should do:
Go buy a copy of 1Password or similar password manager. They’re pretty cheap – usually about $40.
Go through all of your accounts and get them entered. 1Password (assume others do as well) will give you a number of reports to look at including:
1) Reused passwords
2) Weak passwords
3) Passwords that have been released as part of a known hack that must be changed immediately
Some tips:
Limit yourself to a handful of passwords you need to memorize. I have 5. They are relatively long (20-30 characters alphanumeric). They aren’t random but they are phrases that are memorable to me in random ways – maybe a song lyric, or something someone close to me said, etc.
Every other account I have has a randomly generated alphanumeric with punctuation password generated by the password manager. Every account has a different password. I have over 300 accounts and passwords like this. The password manager handles logging into all of the other stuff, while I remember the critical gatekeepers – my email, 1Password, etc. Additionally, turn on 2-factor authentication for every site that offers it. It’s slightly annoying – you have to enter a code now and then from your phone, but it will save you later. If you have a modern phone with a fingerprint scanner, use it to unlock your password manager – it will make the process easy enough to keep doing it over time.
? Martin
@MCA1: Simpler answer: never nominate someone with an obvious personality disorder to elected office because you have no idea how that disorder will intersect with reality.
nonynony
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
They can reword that one so it doesn’t apply to liberals, non-Christians, and non-whites too while they’re at it! I’m sure many of the ones demanding a repeal of the 19th would love to do it!
Millard Filmore
@sigaba:
Would this be caught if Trump went through a real medical exam, like Hillary did?
Millard Filmore
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
If the 13th gets deleted then we HAVE to keep the “well-regulated militia”. Those slave patrols have to be ready at a moments notice.
Peale
@patroclus: Yeah. I would have probably been much different had he said “I did that, but I still treat women much better than anyone else who is running.” And “Women hate my opponents anyway, so who cares. I’m better for women that her.” Or had actually brought up the issue against the opponent thinking that he could shout his way out of the situation when inevitably that opponent started throwing stones at his own glass house.
Trump is such a shit heel that he probably still thinks that women are impressed by his antics. Very few voters probably actually wanted this election to be about “Bill vs. Donald: Which skirt chaser has behaved better?” I don’t for a minute believe that Bill, the serial philanderer has kept his paws off women and has always waited for clear consent before touching them, so this argument that “Bill is a boy scout while Trump is a lech” distinction is lost on me. But I am not in the least interested in having the last three weeks of the election be about who touched more women more inappropriately: Donald wins if he has done it less often than Bill with points given for the guy who seems nicer about it.”
Mister Forkbeard
@? Martin: Honestly, I’ve been using PasswordSafe for some time now. It’s relatively simple and featureless, but damn is it secure. Also free, since the author (Bruce Schneier) is a well known security expert and doesn’t need the money. He’s more interested in people having good protection.
sigaba
@Millard Filmore: I agree it would explain a lot but I’m sorta doubtful. Someone also has suggested that he may have had a bad problem in the past and now has a deviated or perforated septum.
(Random thought: Anosmia is a complication of prolonged cocine abuse. Losing your sense of smell and taste can actually be incredibly debilitating, I read once that it had something like 30% correlation with suicide.)
redshirt
@? Martin: Great advice. Another effective password technique is to take a phrase and make an acronym of it for your password. For example:
2 Large brown dogs run at 1 scared cat
Could become the password
[email protected]
Which is a great password, but hopefully also easy to remember.
? Martin
@Millard Filmore: No, but it’d be caught if he went through a drug screening like other recipients of government benefits have to.
Iowa Old Lady
@? Martin: That seems true to me, but as a party, the Rs have detached themselves from reality in all kinds of ways–climate science, how birth control works, the inefficacy of abstinence only education, etc. When you get out of the habit of trying to figure out the facts, it’s harder for you to see that all of your candidates were running on fantasy platforms. Trump happened to be a fantasy candidate, beginning with his reality TV persona. The R leaders didn’t want him, but their base sure did.
Origuy
@sigaba: Santa Clara county registrar of voters website says that absentee ballots will be mailed out “the week of October 11”. Monday was a holiday, so they would not have started mailing them out until Tuesday.
sigaba
@Origuy: Can’t be soon enough.
catclub
All the headlines are good for Clinton, bad for Trump.
e.g. at google news. Swampland – Time is another example.
Mnemosyne
@Roger Moore:
Somewhere buried in all of my various movie crit books is an essay about how the transgressiveness of “Hustler” magazine just leads to the “perversions” they show being normalized, so they constantly have to reach to find something new, which can lead into some pretty creepy territory.
Transgressiveness for the sake of transgressiveness is about as defensible as contrarianism for contrarianism’s sake. At some point, there has to be a limit.
Corner Stone
@? Martin:
Oh, such a bad move on your part, dude. Ultimate Pwnage…BEGIN!
Username: SxyMartin69
Password: TomFriedman0fBalloon!Juice
Say goodbye to your stock in AAPL, amigo.
Poopyman
@FlipYrWhig: It should come as no surprise that Roger Stone is lying. I don’t think he knows how not to lie.
Brachiator
@Roger Moore:
Scott Adams, of all people (Dilbert) makes a good case that Trump has good salesman-like powers of persuasion. Basically, finding a label not used before and making it stick.
Jeb is calm and cool. Trump labels him as “low energy” and now everyone looks at him differently. But what the hell, really, does “low energy” mean? Nothing. But it’s a label that stuck to Jeb and made him look like a loser.
@James E Powell:
Nobody thought that they were weak before they tangled with Trump. And the conventional wisdom was that Trump was a rank amateur who would soon drop out of the GOP primary. All this talk about the weakness of the GOP bench has been after the fact.
And now, weirdly, they almost wish that they had a do-over and could dump Trump, who looks like an unhinged anarchist.
catclub
@Corner Stone:
Password:Imsendingmycredenzas
Password: Krugmanisshrill
Password:Bothsidesdoit
Mnemosyne
@? Martin:
The advice we get from the Giant Evil Corporation is to have a base password made up of two of your favorite words, a non-letter character, and a year (their example is SushiDiamonds$1971) and then you add a suffix for the different sites (so Facebook might be SushiDiamonds$1971fbk). That way, even if they are able to crack your base password, they still have to guess the extension for that specific site.
? Martin
@redshirt: That’s too short:
My shorted remembered password is 17 characters alphanumeric and I’m probably going to change it soon and make it longer. My longest is 28 characters.
That article is 3 years old. They can do it at least 4x faster now.
trollhattan
Since it’s not front-paged I just want to shout BOB FUCKING DYLAN AWARDED NOBEL PRIZE IN LITERATURE!
All in all, a good day gets better.
? Martin
@Corner Stone: Alas, you’re not close enough to me to qualify for password benefits. Sorry.
catclub
@Mnemosyne: I agree with the password security suggestions, except for one of them.
It seems that the method that is the first to be forbidden never actually gets cracked.
Writing down your passwords. [This does not meaning leaving them written down, unattended, beside you computer.]
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
None of the Republicans, and few people in the MSM, maybe. But plenty of people here were more than happy to describe them as the clown car and talk about how as improbable each of them seemed as a candidate, one of them would eventually have to win the nomination.
bystander
The Christie summons is like whipped cream on the week’s Black Forest Schadenfreude Torte.
PBS has some program they’ve put together summing up the two campaigns. Looks like another both sides do it fest.
catclub
@trollhattan: It was front paged about 12 hours ago. Too slow chicken marengo, too slow.
Brachiator
Another Teachable moment about password management.
Read this story and use the linked site to see if you’ve been hacked: Have I Been Pwned
Corner Stone
@? Martin: Hmph. Well, that’s what schrodinger’s cat told me it was. If I was guessing it would be:
@llYourJerbzAre2BAutomatedNowBecauseTheSupplyChainDemonzIt
? Martin
@Mnemosyne: I happen to know they specifically try that situation. If they get your base password, you’re now left with a 3 character password because they know everything in the beginning.
Most people never even need to know most of their passwords. With a decent password manager, you never type them. Once you get into your manager (password/fingerprint) it does everything from there.
My preference for 1Password is that it works really well on mobile devices and syncs very well across devices, has helpers for 2-factor auth and does the fingerprint stuff. That means it’s easy and convenient enough that I don’t slack off in using it, which is important. It encrypts locally and isn’t stored on the cloud (the encrypted file syncs across devices.) I can also have my parents share their password vaults with me in the event of an emergency, since my dad travels a lot and my mom is not in great health. I can unlock their stuff and it has all of their account information so I can pay bills, etc. on their behalf. My wife and I of course share each others so if she changes the password for the phone company I can still log in if I need to, etc.
catclub
@Brachiator: I went there. and could not enter any text for a user name. I then started suspecting that site was
hacked.
ETA: never mind. Found the correct link.
? Martin
@Brachiator: 1Password taps into that database of hacked accounts to tell you if you’re on it – does it right in the app which is nice.
Mnemosyne
@? Martin:
I’m not allowed to sync my phone to my work computer. How does 1Password help me not have to enter it?
ETA: And, no, I’m not allowed to install 3rd party software without permission.
Brachiator
@? Martin:
I use a variation of some of the tips you suggest. I’ve found that some password managers don’t work consistently with all the browsers I use on all the devices I use.
On smartphones. I absolutely love a fingerprint reader on smartphones. Some apps also recognize fingerprints. This not only provides security, but speeds access, which in some ways is a mini security bonus.
And yes, wherever possible, consider Two factor authentication.
Extra tip. I use public Wi Fi at cafes and other places. This can be very insecure. So far, the free, free, free Opera VPN has proven to be a boon. Did I mention that it is free?
Otherwise, if you check email or do other transactions, you put security at risk.
NoraLenderbee
@Origuy: Thank you! I’ve been wondering where the heck it was.
redshirt
@trollhattan: Do people read this blog?
It was front paged. Check below.
Brachiator
Direct link to Have I Been Pwned
Believe me now and thank me later.
redshirt
@? Martin: What happens when 1Password gets hacked (or any password management tool)?
? Martin
@Mnemosyne:
Ah, this is where you go to Evil Corporation IT and tell them they’re fucking idiots until they give you permission.
redshirt
@Mnemosyne: It’s usually not good advice to use actual words in your password. Surprised you got that recommendation.
Brachiator
@Roger Moore:
I read and participated in many of these discussions. People here rightly dismissed them, but it was because they hated them. None of the dismissal reflected how Republicans thought about their own candidates.
And none of us, myself included, saw Trump coming. I thought that Jeb would be the nominee and that he would be a formidable opponent.
I also think that Bernie was underestimated, but that’s another story for another day.
catclub
Good news everybody! Trump, unlike Berlusconi, does not own the media! I brought this fact up when the media was doing plenty to help him by giving blanket coverage to him and none of the other GOP candidates. But he does not own the media, so they can turn on him.
From paranoid speech #1 of Oct 13.
Mnemosyne
@? Martin:
Yeah, that’ll work.
Brachiator
@redshirt:
Not true.
For example
See also: Four Methods to Create a Secure Password You’ll Actually Remember
redshirt
@? Martin: And you remember those passwords?
? Martin
@redshirt: That’s why I like 1Password – it’s local to your device and uses very strong encryption. So there’s no online server to attack. Now, they can get your device directly and hack the password that unlocks it, so you want to have a good password there. That’s one of my 5 remembered ones, obviously.
But that’s not really a concern. These guys are interested in hoovering up as much as they can as quickly as they can. They can get tens of thousands of accounts in the time it would take to hack your one device. They wouldn’t even bother. If they find your device they don’t even try to unlock it any more – they just disassemble it for parts.
Different matter if your name is Hillary Clinton. They will move heaven and earth to get into your specific device. But for us schmoes, we’re not important enough to bother. Mostly you’re trying to make sure you aren’t caught up in the kind of broad sweeps against online accounts.
That said, I keep most of my secure information inside 1Password rather than outside of it. If they did casually unlock my phone, they might be interested in that stuff (notes, etc.), but I don’t think they’d even try to get into 1Password.
redshirt
@Brachiator: Your link says not to use dictionary words, which is what I said.
Iowa Old Lady
This is my favorite joke about passwords.
Taylor
@? Martin: That’s why you’re supposed to store some “salt” (random bits) with the hashed password on the server, and compute the hash of the salt combined with the supplied password. Prevents offline attacks. Still, this hashing is only intended to buy you some time, once a password file is stolen, to change your password. Doesn’t help when a company like Yahoo waits a year to let people know their passwords have been compromised.
Really two-factor authentication (such as Google Authenticator) combined with a password manager like 1Password or Lastpass is the only way to go. The password managers have issues, but the idea of sharing passwords (that are usually weak) across sites is lunacy. My biggest worry is access via Patriot Act or whatever its successor is to password manager accounts. Still five years from now, I don’t doubt that everyone will be using them.
Calouste
@Roger Moore:
There were 17 GOP candidates.
3 of them had never been elected to anything (Trump, Carson, Fiorina).
5 of them had not been in office for at least 8 years (Gilmore, Pataki, Bush, Santorum, Huckabee; great company Bush is in there btw)
3 of them were first term Senators (Cruz, Rubio, Paul), and a first term Senator getting elected President is a once in a century event that just happened
3 of them were the tied to criminal investigations related to their behavior as governors (Perry, Walker, Christie)
So that leaves Graham, Jindal, and Kasich as the not-yet-disqualified candidates, and of those Graham didn’t have a constituency and Jindal was very unpopular in his own state.
Brachiator
@redshirt:
For example:
All the words will be in the dictionary. It is randomness that counts.
@Iowa Old Lady:
Very good.
Brachiator
@? Martin:
Or, sadly, Jennifer Lawrence.
NotMax
re: password management
Partial for years now to Bruce Schneier’s Password Safe. Free.
Brachiator
Security Questions
BTW Security Questions should be easy to remember, but have nothing to do with your actual life.
What city were you born: Martian Colony, not New York
Favorite Food: Caterpillars not Pizza
? Martin
@redshirt: Yeah. I mean, think of a lyric from a song you know well, ideally with punctuation and maybe numbers. When you need the password, you just need to think of the song, and the line will come to you. You can mix up the entry a bit – caps, add in something random. What matters is that you know that when you need that password, you remember the song, and the rest fills in easily. That’s what I set up for my dad who’s having some trouble with his memory but has a very good memory for song lyrics (like DougJ). So for him in choosing his rememberable passwords, I sat down with him and at a given point – to unlock the password manager, or his iCloud account, etc. to tell me what song comes to mind and we’d go through the lyrics and see if any would work (some songs have words so common that they’re problematic) but we’d always find something within a few tries and we’d try out a password. When you look at this screen, and you’re trying to accomplish ‘x’, hum this song in your head, and the password would immediately spring to mind. We would insert some random things – a punctuation mark followed by a family members 2 digit birth year, for instance. Once he got the song, he always got the password, even when we modified it a bit. We would store all of these in his 1Password, so that worst case, all he’d need to remember is his 1Password unlock password, and he could get the others. So far he hasn’t forgotten any of his memory passwords. He has either 5 or 6 and all are at least 16 characters. Actually, they may all be 20+ for him.
The problem generally isn’t remembering a long password so long as there is some pattern to it that makes sense to you (completely random ones are a different matter), the problem is generally remember *which* password you use, or how it starts. The song ties that to something difficult to forget. Once you get started, it usually flows easily from there.
? Martin
@Brachiator: Yes. And in those cases I make up new answers for each one – and those go in 1Password as well. I fucking hate security questions.
Roger Moore
@redshirt:
If it’s really well written, not much. They should only be synchronizing an encrypted data blob that you then decrypt on your device using your master password. You’re counting on that one password, though, so you need to pick a very good one. The “correct horse battery staple” type of password is a good start, though you might want to enhance it with a number, punctuation, etc. The big worry is that somebody manages to trojan the program and have it send the decrypted passwords home, which would obviously be a disaster.
Eugene in Eugene
I too wish to decry the lack of a post on Dylan’s Nobel. I say harrumph to you, good sir. Harrumph.
WaterGirl
@Ben Cisco: Joining in the ranks of everyone here wishing for good results from the test. I snuck in a prayer, too, just in case that helps. And crossing my fingers!
WaterGirl
@catclub: Faxing. It’s faxing your credenzas, not sending! Which makes it a clever password, I guess. :-)
Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)
@sigaba:
Even when I was politically to the right of Franco, I just didn’t like Howard Stern.
To me, it was like listening to Bob & Tom In the Morning if they used meth during the broadcast.
Somewhat entertaining at times, but incomprehensible bullshit the rest of the time.
I finally settled on Joe Madison for morning listening. Thank FSM for XM radio.
Matt McIrvin
@? Martin: I think people were actually primed to believe this stuff by some of the post-2008 complaints about “banksters”, which the left generally bought into. I mean, the problem is that much of it was legitimate. Elizabeth Warren is still doing great yeoman work on the actual problems. But it sometimes turned into this pure call to “break up the big banks” and there was this idea that everything that was still wrong with the economy was wrong because the banksters hadn’t been properly punished and the banks destroyed. Crackpot sites like Zero Hedge started getting read as countercultural authorities. And that is just inches away from ranting about the International Jewish Banking Conspiracy.
It’s funny, because the Tea Party movement wasn’t anti-bankster, anti-plutocrat to begin with; it actually began with some douche on CNBC complaining about the little people messing up rich guys’ investments because they were irresponsible with their borrowing.
Central Planning
@Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): depending on your definition of morning, Stand Up with Pete Dominick, channel 121, 9-12 eastern is pretty good
Matt McIrvin
@Brachiator: I didn’t think Trump was a threat until he started shooting up in the polls and became utterly dominant. I mean, for a little while there was still the possibility that he was like all the clown-car inhabitants who briefly became the front-runner in 2011-2012. But once we got through the whole summer of 2015 and he was still the front-runner, anyone who still thought he was going to fade away by himself was just in denial. And practically the whole pundit class and all of the other Republican candidates were in that category.
WaterGirl
@Iowa Old Lady: That was most excellent!
Ken
\@Peale:
Must be the locker room from Hostel, where the rich sociopaths change clothes before heading to the torture rooms.