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Evil Minions Open Thread: Rude-y Ghouliani

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GOP Strong Angry Daddy Figure will defend his beau ideal to the last. Per the Washington Post:

… Giuliani, who has regularly appeared on the Sunday political-show circuit as one of Trump’s top surrogates, insisted Sunday on CNN that it is the Democrats who overwhelmingly engage in voter fraud because they “control the inner cities.”

“We do cheat,” Giuliani told “State of the Union” host Jake Tapper. “We have people who cheat in elections!”

“I’ve found very few situations where Republicans cheat,” Giuliani said, shrugging. “They don’t control the inner cities the way Democrats do. Maybe if Republicans controlled the inner cities, they’d do as much cheating as Democrats.”

“I think there are a lot of elections experts that would have very, very strong disagreements with you,” Tapper responded, shaking his head…

He won two elections, running in a high-crime era as the Tough Sheriff who would put those people in their place (the inner city). But New Yorkers got Rudy’s number, just as they got Deadbeat ‘Developer’ Donnie Trump’s. If it hadn’t been for 9/11 — which Giuliani tried to use as an excuse for extending his last term — he’d be eking out a modest living on the rubber-chicken circuit. The Media Village Idiots’ romanticization of “America’s Mayor” greatly increased his marketability… just not always among those who knew first hand how badly he’d botched both the security preparations and the response.

As with everyone whose reputation ends up Trump-crumpled, Rudy was never a good person.

… Eight years after his own presidential bid failed, Giuliani has emerged as Donald Trump’s unflinching chief apologist, cheerleader and rhetorical Rottweiler, even as GOP leaders far and wide abandon their party’s candidate.

It’s a role that confounds allies and admirers who remember Giuliani’s rise as a law-and-order Republican twice elected in the country’s largest bastion of liberalism. Giuliani has long been an attention seeker, but his bombast was tempered by moderate, socially liberal politics — a model for many Republicans hoping to expand their base….

At a Florida rally Wednesday, Giuliani even suggested that Clinton, when she was a New York senator, was AWOL from Lower Manhattan after the 2001 attacks. “I heard her say she was there that day,” Giuliani told the crowd. “I was there that day, I don’t remember seeing Hillary Clinton.”

Within moments, social media was rife with photos of him touring Ground Zero the day after the attacks with Clinton, whom in fact he had praised at the time. Giuliani, who did not respond to multiple requests for interviews, apologized for his remarks, saying, “I made a mistake.”…

Another former adviser, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he doesn’t want to offend the former mayor, said he is astonished by Giuliani’s willingness to play Trump’s understudy.

“From his days as U.S. attorney, he was at the top of the organizational chart,” the former adviser said. “Now he’s staff. He carries bags. He walks behind Trump. It’s just amazing to see.”…

Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), who has known Giuliani for five decades, described the relationship between Giuliani and Trump as merely “cordial” before the presidential campaign. “Once Rudy got into it, he wouldn’t stop,” King said. “He enjoys center stage. He certainly has it now — and he hasn’t had it for a while.”…

Rudy craves the attention. And the fact that he used a face-saving medical diagnosis to withdraw from his 2000 Senate race after it became obvious Hillary Clinton was going to win bigly probably makes it that much sweeter for him to attack her now. But, of course, Trump promptly betrayed Rudy’s trust, as he does to anyone dumb or venal enough to stand in his orbit…

Kinda hoping Matt Taibbi is right about Rudy’s future:

… How Giuliani isn’t Trump’s running mate, no one will ever understand. Theirs is the most passionate television love story since Beavis and Butthead. Every time Trump says something nuts, Giuliani either co-signs it or outdoes him. They will probably spend the years after the election doing prostate-medicine commercials together…

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  1. 1.

    trollhattan

    All the Cheney charm with none of the gravitas. Must be weird to be rude Rudy.

    He and Newt should buy a taco truck.

  3. 3.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    I bet an enterprising ventriloquist could use a Trump dummy (but I repeat myself) to produce a very funny show.

  4. 4.

    Brachiator

    “I’ve found very few situations where Republicans cheat,” Giuliani said, shrugging. “They don’t control the inner cities the way Democrats do. Maybe if Republicans controlled the inner cities, they’d do as much cheating as Democrats.”

    Rudy G’s authoritarian wet dream, answers Trump’s question to blacks and Latinos.

    “What do you have to lose if you vote for me?”

    Everything, to a vile elite who see non-whites as pawns that can be swapped between political parties.

    What a bunch of contemptible asswipes.

  5. 5.

    TheDevilTaco

    Mark Harris ‏@MarkHarrisNYC 12h12 hours ago Manhattan, NY
    Just watched Jake Tapper interview a Trump voter–some elderly, lying, unemployed racist. Apparently he used to be mayor of New York.

  6. 6.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @trollhattan:

    Speaking of Cheney charm, has young Liz managed to bamboozle voters in Wyoming enough to become the presumptive favorite for the Senate?

  8. 8.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @TheDevilTaco:

    LOL! And in other sad news from the world of argutainment, this evening Rush Limbaugh was found alive in his Florida mansion.

  13. 13.

    Redshift

    @srv: The other day, Grover was being interviewed by a BBC journalist, and they actually do followups and press for answers. The interviewer pointed out that under Trump’s policies, his wife’s relatives wouldn’t be able to visit. Grover didn’t have much of an answer for that. Repeatedly asked whether he was voting for Trump, Grover wouldn’t say Trump’s name, but insisted he was voting GOP because Hillary would be terrible.

  15. 15.

    BillCinSD

    How Giuliani isn’t Trump’s running mate, no one will ever understand.

    well isn’t that not allowed by the Constitution. or the Revelation to John of Patmos. One of those two

  17. 17.

    SFAW

    @Redshift:

    The sooner Grover Norquist shuffles off this mortal coil, the better for America and the world. Maybe he and Howard Jarvis can set up shop in their own little corner of Hell.

  18. 18.

    trollhattan

    @Redshift:
    The Beeb don’t do softballs; they even have a grueling interview show, “Hard Talk” where the interviewer is intentionally aggressive, sometimes to the point of squirm-inducing. Yank conservatives don’t find a happy welcome, generally.

  21. 21.

    amk

    Top Conservative Cat @TeaPartyCat

    THE ELECTION IS RIGGED! Democrats tricked a thin-skinned racist, misogynist con-man to run and then got Republicans to vote to nominate him.

    5:57 AM – 17 Oct 2016

    srv is the prime example for such morons.

  22. 22.

    SFAW

    @trollhattan:

    He doesn’t have the fortitude to slice his own wrists. (I assume that’s what you meant by the bathtub.) He’d be more than happy to do it to someone worthwhile, however.

  23. 23.

    Mnemosyne

    Just got back from our weekend away. I managed to enjoy it even with this annoying cold. The cats can’t quite decide if we’ve been punished enough yet for abandoning them to the cruelties of the pet sitter who comes in to feed, pet, and play with them.

  27. 27.

    SFAW

    @trollhattan:

    Yeah, as soon as I started reading your response, I had an epiphany, as in: “Dumb fuck! How could you forget Norquist and bathtubs?” And then I followed your link, which only confirmed my dumb-fuckedness.

    Whichever way he goes, it’s all good.

  29. 29.

    hovercraft

    @Brachiator:
    We didn’t need Rudy to tell us who Trump is, remember that he was polling pretty much at 1% from the time he got in with the “blacks.” Both his history of housing discrimination and his vile attacks on the Central Park Five, told us who he was long before the rest of the nation was paying attention. The birther crap was the icing on top. The fact that he and Rudy were friendly was also a big tell. So fuck ’em both, and may they live long lives hearing themselves being reviled as leaders of the revival of the white supremacy movement.

  30. 30.

    max

    As with everyone whose reputation ends up Trump-crumpled, Rudy was never a good person.

    Exactly. I keep seeing this ‘What happened to Rudy??? OMG’

    He started out as a show-boating fascist asshole, he was a show-boating fascist asshole in the middle, and he’s a fascist asshole now. That he spent a bunch of time with the bullshit media PR designation ‘America’s Mayor’ is not telling you he was better then, it’s telling you that America had an asshole for a mayor. Because the media loves them some fascist assholes.

    max
    [‘I wonder why?’]

  31. 31.

    trollhattan

    @SFAW:
    Let’s enjoy a kumbaya moment in honor of the fact that Grover hasn’t been relevant in about a decade. Hey, we should tell him!

  32. 32.

    hovercraft

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):
    She used to be a regular before she decided to run from Wyoming and had to pretend she had moved back there. So yes unfortunately she’ll just slide right back into her old routine of lying to America every Sunday. Our liberal media at work.

  33. 33.

    Brachiator

    @hovercraft:

    We didn’t need Rudy to tell us who Trump is, remember that he was polling pretty much at 1% from the time he got in with the “blacks.”

    No, this doesn’t tell us who Trump is, but it tells us what the GOP wants to be after Trump is defeated. And clearly the GOP wants to crash and burn.

    I find it telling that Trump’s paid political strategists think that further alienating blacks and Latinos is a winning strategy. Rudy G is the designated attack dog, but he has been given a script and marching orders. And I have to say that he is putting on quite a show.

    People in New York had Rudy G figured out. Now he is burning through whatever remains of 911 goodwill and making himself look like a fool on the national stage.

  34. 34.

    Mary G

    Rudy cut a commercial defending Darrell Issa’s “no more $ for 9-11 responders because we’ve spent enough on a plane crash” position. They don’t seem to get that Darrell’s in trouble by being tied to Trump, so Trump’s mini-me isn’t going to help.

  36. 36.

    jl

    If as it looks like and God (or FSM) willing, Trump gets crushed in November, the Trump News Network will be a bowl of sick and twisted laughs.
    Donny, Rudy, Roger sitting around yelling and bellowing about the dames, bums, loser establishment GOP pols, The Blacks, dirty Mexicans and miserable loser beta males and snotty PC college degree eggheads what crossed ’em.

  37. 37.

    Redshift

    @max: I think it’s that until Trump, Giuliani was reining it in enough to milk the underserved reputation the media have him after 9/11. Now he’s gone full wild-eyed “whatever psychotic delusion Trump is spouting today is absolutely true,” and it’s jarring. Even if you knew he was a fascist asshole before, he could still pretend to be normal. Not any more.

  38. 38.

    Anne Laurie

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch:

    You can’t have 2 people from the same state on the ticket.

    Well, you can, but you forfeit those electoral votes. Since New York will go Republican only after NYC becomes a separate state — if then — the duo wouldn’t have been risking much.

    You want my opinion, if it was suggested, Jared Kushner nixed it — his old man had bad blood with prosecutor Giuliani and Jared loyally hates everyone who ever said anything bad about his daddy. Plenty of NYC denizens say that the only thing more delightful than seeing Trump thoroughly trounced next month will be seeing JKush limping off with his dignity in tatters, hopefully disabused of any notion that being a ‘smart operator’ in local developer circles gives him any standing as a political macher.

  40. 40.

    scav

    I wonder what sort of brain-altering parasite has infected the Repubs, both leaders and horde, to cause them to passionately embrace disreason and run passionately after anchors as they disappear into the waves, all the while shouting that they can feel themselves flying to paradise. I am rather expecting the fruiting body of the fungus to emerge from their heads soon.

  41. 41.

    Redshift

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: Yeah, that’s why we never had a Vice President Cheney. But sure, Taibbi’s the stupid one here.

    (The Twelfth Amendment only prohibits electors of a state from casting votes for both president and VP from their own state, it doesn’t prohibit two residents of the same state from being on a ticket. And any case, if they’d wanted to do that, Trump and Giuliani undoubtedly both have residences in different states, and the courts aren’t going to tell them those don’t count.)

  42. 42.

    Cacti

    Rudy tried to make Gambino Family employee Bernie Kerik the director of the Department of Homeland Security.

    Then as now, the guy is scum.

  43. 43.

    craigie

    @srv:
    So shorter Grover: “We went crazy in 1964, we were criminals in 1974, and 1992, and we lost bigly in 2008. And now we are circling the drain in 2016. Success!”

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    Giuliani as apologist and public fluffer for you know who may finally be enough to wean the villagers and MSM from habitually putting lipstick on the pig asshole.

  46. 46.

    Brachiator

    @efgoldman:

    Adduces facts not in evidence.

    All of the Trump surrogates have been talking about rigged elections. I have no reason to believe that Rudy G is free styling when he talks about inner cities being a source of stolen votes.

  47. 47.

    Larime

    Rudy’s wrong – the GOP DOES cheat.

    They send two busted-ass voting machines to those inner city precincts while rural white precincts get ten.

    They send people to challenge EVERY SINGLE VOTER in inner city precincts, trying to drown it in mud so no one gets to vote and people give up and go home.

    They kick minorities off the voter rolls regularly.

    They try to put up voter ID rules, then REFUSE TO ISSUE THE DAMN IDs in inner cities.

    And so on.

  49. 49.

    bystander

    @Redshift:

    The interviewer pointed out that under Trump’s policies, his wife’s relatives wouldn’t be able to visit.

    Do we know if Grover sees that as a drawback?

  52. 52.

    karen marie

    @bystander: When I heard that it was only assumed it was done by a Dem, that was my thought. Even if a person doesn’t support HRC, that still leaves a lot of room to hate Republicans. Someone tweeted highlights of the opinion earlier today and it was jaw dropping.

  54. 54.

    Anne Laurie

    @karen marie:

    It was Christie who prosecuted Charles Kushner.

    Yup! And it’s been reported that Kushner Jr. specifically refused to let his father-in-law pick Christie as his VP, for just that reason. But Giuliani also went after C-Kushner, back in the day, and the same media people who said that Don had considered Christie & been warned away by Jared tended to mention Rudy in the same stories.

    All presidential campaigns tend to hinge on a myriad of what-might-have-been trivia, but Trump (as in so many areas) is taking this tendency to a whole new level!

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