Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

We still have time to mess this up!

Too often we confuse noise with substance. too often we confuse setbacks with defeat.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

An almost top 10,000 blog!

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

You cannot shame the shameless.

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

You can’t love your country only when you win.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

The revolution will be supervised.

Americans barely caring about Afghanistan is so last month.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

And we’re all out of bubblegum.

“More of this”, i said to the dog.

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Also, an important note from the Rude Pundit:

… I know a shit-ton of people down South and in the Midwest, working- and middle-class whites, most of whom never went to college, some not even graduating from high school, who think Donald Trump is a fucking hateful fraud, a showboating pissant, and a giant talking turd. When you try to “figure out” what drives Trump supporters and think that those of us who say, “Yeah, fuck them” are smug coast-clinging liberals, you are insulting the fuck out of the millions of people in Trump country who grew up in similar circumstances and decided that being racist, sexist, Islamophobic, anti-immigrant, and conspiracy-theory-loving jerk is wrong and work to make their area of the United States a little more tolerant and progressive…

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As we keep slogging towards the election, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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  4. 4.

    Shana

    I read that article in the WaPo this morning about naming the new Trump properties Scion and my first thought was “What about that Toyota brand called Scion?” I can’t imagine a corporation like Toyota would just roll over and let Trump take their name.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    Rude Pundit is technically right, but I don’t know why liberal Democrats alone in our political culture must treat everyone as unique individuals while everyone else gets to discuss how particular demographic or geographic groups behave.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    So what do you think they’ll rename the Trump luxury hotels now that his name has the elite cache of a dumpster fire?

    The Note 7.

  9. 9.

    debbie

    @Shana:

    from Wikipedia:

    On February 3, 2016, Toyota announced that it would shut down the Scion brand in August 2016, with selected models to be re-branded to be part of new Toyota vehicles for the 2017 model year.

    Doubt it matters anymore.

  11. 11.

    Hal

    I’m very curious what the non disclosure agreements Kellyanne Conway and others signed. Is it a monetary fine, or a forfeiture of profits from a tell all? I can imagine some top people in Trump’s campaign being offered huge money post election, Conway does have her own career to consider.

  12. 12.

    MomSense

    I am fucking floored. Several people (colleagues!!) just outed themselves as Trump supporters. They are social workers FFS. I honestly don’t think I can even exchange pleasantries anymore.

    And the gun bullshit also came out today. It’s not exactly anger I’m feeling, more like anguish and extreme disillusionment.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    @debbie:
    That’s because Toyota was afraid that Deadbeat Donnie would sue them for infringement on a name he thought of 30 years ago, but never copyrighted.

  18. 18.

    MomSense

    @Baud:

    Thanks. Did I mention these women are social workers??? Arrrggggghhh.

    @Peale:

    They are also voting against the background check referendum question. We routinely deal with domestic violence/assault in our work. Access to firearms is the big concern.

  19. 19.

    ThresherK

    @MomSense: My polling sample (Spousal ThresherK) is an MSW from Massachusetts. She’s a hardcore Dem.

    And she knows no social workers who are voting for the Orange Shitgibbon.

  20. 20.

    Immanentize

    @Baud: Also too, I do not know who essentializes poor whites EXCEPT FOR THE MEDIA and bloggers when it feels cool to do so. I have always understood and appreciated the differences within similar cultural groups. Hell, everyone does (hence every movie about the just ‘rebel’). The “high school educated or less white male voter” is a statistically significant slice; it is not a comment on all people who fit that category. Rude Pundit is trolling.

  21. 21.

    hovercraft

    So earlier Linda Chavez a former Reagan official was on msnbc and when asked about Malania’s defense of her husband in light of the contemporaneous accounts of Natasha Stoynoff’s attack, and the fact that there was a witness to the encounter with Melania on the street. Her response was that the Trump campaign putting her out there as a model of rectitude, she has no credibility because in 1999 she was on Howard Stearn with Donald participating in the same type of ribald conversations,talking about her sex life with Trump, and saying she was naked during the call. Since i never heard this before, I used te google and found this.
    An interview with him as the reform candidate for president.

    EDIT for grammer

  23. 23.

    Immanentize

    @MomSense:

    anguish and extreme disillusionment.

    I have a fortune cookie fortune taped to my monitor that says, “Don’t despair. But if you do, work on in despair.”

  25. 25.

    Dog Dawg Damn

    Trump will run social services like Trump U. Train Social Workers to “neg” clients, tell them they’re worthless, berate them for seeking government assistance, and then steer them to high-interest, predatory loan options. Freedom!

  26. 26.

    Thoughtful David

    So if there are all of these millions of people in those states who are anti-Trump, how come polls show him leading there? Somehow, this doesn’t add up.

  27. 27.

    trollhattan

    Heh.

    A wall is going up outside the Trump International Las Vegas hotel Wednesday morning. The Culinary Union, long a Donald Trump antagonist in Las Vegas, is going to “build” a wall of taco trucks outside Trump’s hotel, just a couple miles from UNLV, site of the final presidential debate. The groups aim to have at least five taco trucks outside the hotel, in addition to a banner in the style of a wall that participants will be able to sign.

    “We’re reminding Mr. Trump that immigrant workers here and across the country will be watching the debate and voting in November,” said Yvanna Cancela, the political director for the majority Latino and predominantly immigrant union. The Culinary Union has held nearly 10 rallies outside Trump’s hotel since workers voted to unionize and won last December. They argue that Trump is illegally refusing to bargain with them.

    The union will be joined by American Bridge, Latino Victory Project, PLAN Action, iAmerica Action, Center for Community Change Action, For Our Future, and 50 immigrant advocacy activists from Los Angeles and feature speakers like Democrat Ruben Kihuen, who is running to represent the 4th Congressional District in the House.

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne

    @MomSense:

    Ugh. I’m very spoiled being in a blue part of California working in a very liberal industry. There *might* be one Trump voter in my office. Maybe. But he’s more likely a Johnson voter.

  32. 32.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    Good to hear that there are swathes of sane voters on the other side.

  33. 33.

    MomSense

    @ThresherK:

    I’m genuinely shocked. Part of the cognitive dissonance is because we are dealing with the funding cuts that have cut off mental health services to clients who desperately need them. We know better than any other group of people how destructive Republican administrations can be to vulnerable populations. I just cannot reconcile their politics with the work we do.

  34. 34.

    hovercraft

    @Baud:
    LA Dodgers Player Refused Team’s Trump Hotel Reservation

    Los Angeles Dodgers first basemen Adrian Gonzales didn’t join his team at Trump International Hotel and Tower in May, saying he had his reasons for making reservations independent of the rest of his team. Now, the story is making waves.

    “I didn’t stay there,” Gonzalez said at the time, when the team played at Wrigley Field in Chicago, according to the Washington Post. “I had my reasons.”

    I wonder what those reasons are?

  35. 35.

    Feebog

    So Mrs. Feebog has been phone banking for Hillary. She did several hours this morning, calling voters in Iowa. Lots of no answers since it was the middle of the day, but on her way home she got a call back from one of her calls (She is using her own cell phone to call). She had a pleasant conversation with the gentleman who called back, but then he started hitting on her, like was she married, how old was she, and so on. She just laughed it off, but she just got another call back, from the same guy. She didn’t answer the phone, but hey, who knew phone banking could turn into a cross country stalking?

  38. 38.

    Mnemosyne

    @Feebog:

    She should tell the campaign office she’s working for — sadly, I doubt it’s the first time they’ve had to deal with it.

    Though there is a slight possibility the whole thing could stop just by having you answer her phone the next time. It’s worth a shot.

  39. 39.

    bluehill

    I know someone that is Jewish and voting for Trump. Talk about voting against your own self interests. He says that Hillary is a liar and corrupt without any sense of irony.

  41. 41.

    ? Martin

    @Hal:

    Is it a monetary fine, or a forfeiture of profits from a tell all?

    He and his descendants gets to grope you and your descendants for 3 generations.

  46. 46.

    debbie

    @MomSense:

    I doubt anyone in my department supports Trump, but I do have a few relatives who are Trumpsters. I’ve told them off on Facebook when necessary, and to be honest, I intend to gloat at Thanksgiving. Bastards.

  48. 48.

    Jeffro

    @? Martin:

    He and his descendants gets to grope you and your descendants for 3 generations.

    I’m just glad that’s all spelled properly…the Descendents are a hoot! ar ar ar

    Anyway, BREAKING NEWS: just had my first non-family, non-FB wingnut info overshare in quite a while earlier this afternoon…in other words, a real life encounter with someone just casually mentioning shit that had to have come from Limbaugh or O’Reilly. I think my gender and complexion must have made her feel it was a ‘safe space’, you know, for just us morons.

    Unfortunately it was the dental hygienist, so I wasn’t in a good position to argue (and I’m pretty sure arguing with someone who’s scraping sharp tools along your teeth and gums is a bad idea).

    So here it is: NFL “live” viewership is rapidly declining, right? I bet y’all thought it had something to do with the fact that people are getting more and more used to watching what they want, when they want, wherever they want…or maybe that the NFL is on 3 nights a week (4 once we get to December)…and it’s just not the event it used to be? WRONG. It’s because of Colin Kaepernick taking a knee. Somehow CK-haters have managed to cut NFL viewership by a third this season, all quietly as heck and everything, because the “NFL allows that sort of thing now.”

    Next time somebody doesn’t have a scraper pressed against my gums, I’ll be sure to ask just what kind of protest the hygienist does approve of and Tweet it to Kaep right quick!

  49. 49.

    maurinsky

    Even the Republicans in my office are not voting for Trump. Two of them are writing in someone. One of them is campaigning for Hillary Clinton – he took a vacation to knock on doors in Pennsylvania.

  51. 51.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Baud: This. After all, we’re not saying that EVERYONE in flyover country is a Drumpf supporter. There are people on the coasts who actually support him. Just not very many of them.

  54. 54.

    MomSense

    @debbie:

    I am going to enjoy the gloating. Today though I had to close my door for a bit and just breathe. I felt physically sort of sick and shaky.
    @Baud:

    I don’t think so but who knows. It’s more likely they voted for Cutler, which was essentially a vote for LePage.

  55. 55.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @bluehill: “Well, I’m not going to vote for those Zentrum clowns. With the National Socialists, I get the real deal!”

  57. 57.

    NotMax

    Scion? Guess Hitler was already taken.

    Also too, Mr. Schooley, it’s cachet. Smaug slumbered on an elite cache.

  59. 59.

    japa21

    @JJ: This is what 538 has:

    • OCT. 12-14 Google Consumer Surveys Gray 27% Paul 33%

    The other ones were from earlier in the year had had Gray at 33% and Paul at 50%. In all likelihood Paul wins, but one never knows.

  60. 60.

    geg6

    @Mike J:

    Huh. I’m actually surprised. I thought Ecuador was enjoying screwing with the Yankees. Guess it just wasn’t worth the risk anymore. How soon until they hand him over to Sweden?

  61. 61.

    different-church-lady

    Keep in mind, roughly one in three voters in Massachusetts will be voting for Trump. That’s not anything for us to be proud of.

  62. 62.

    Mnemosyne

    @Jeffro:

    I’m sure her campaign staff already has the video cued up of him talking about how hot his 9-year-old daughter’s friends are.

  64. 64.

    bluehill

    @Villago Delenda Est: @hueyplong Yeah it’s willful ignorance. He talks about voting for Trump and the next moment he’s talking about sending his kids to a school run by his temple. I was tempted to point out who some of Trump’s supporters were and the nature of their beliefs, and the fact that Trump has done nothing to discourage their support, but it wouldn’t have mattered and I didn’t want to deal with the other conspiracy theories that he would have spewed out starting with Benghazi and the emails.

  65. 65.

    Botsplainer

    Took the architectural history river cruise in Chicago a few hours ago.

    Literally every ground floor commercial space on the river side on the Trump tower was empty, while the city literally can’t fill the demand and development projects are put up by the dozens.

  68. 68.

    Kathleen

    @efgoldman: Jim Gray, Democratic mayor of Lexington. According to 7-31 RealClearPolitics poll, Senator FerretHead was up by 12 points. And a majority of Kentuckians will go to the polls for Trump.

  70. 70.

    dogwood

    I actually had a good Trump experience awhile back. Before Grabgate. I ran into this guy who used to do odd jobs for me. White, uneducated, not too swift intellectually and very religious. I really liked him. So we exchange pleasantries and he just asks me straight out what I think of Trump. I told him the truth, and he hugged me. He said that he always really liked me and if I liked Trump, then he just wouldn’t know what to think about me anymore. It was all very sweet.

  71. 71.

    trollhattan

    @different-church-lady:
    California hacked up 1,665,135 Trump voters in the primary and that will likely double (or more?) come November.

    If anybody would like to accept these folks into your states/countries we’ll gladly grant them refugee exit visas. Patriots, every one.

  72. 72.

    Anoniminous

    WaPo SurveyMonkey poll has Texas within the margin of error:

    Trump: 48%
    Clinton: 46%

    Undecided: 5%

    Previous poll by the Univ. of Houston had Trump leading 41% to 38%, just outside the MOE.

    (wow)

  73. 73.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Jeffro: The man is good for one thing, and one thing only. Throwing a horsehide covered ball of string and rubber at a batsman. He’s fail in everything else he’s tried to do since.

  74. 74.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @ BraddJaffy
    Trump is bringing Obama’s half-brother to the debate, KatyTurNBC reports

    Even speculating on the gurgling, fetid, monstrous-rodent infested swamp that is Trump’s brain, what the fuck point does he think he’s making?

  75. 75.

    MattF

    @Jeffro: I met a guy who was a dental hygienist who admitted that he once fell asleep while scraping away at someone’s teeth. So, count your blessings.

    ETA: But he had a reason! He’d drunk too much the night before.

  78. 78.

    trollhattan

    @Anoniminous:
    The very notion TX might be in play is intriguing to say the least. A month ago I’d have bet big bucks against it being remotely possible.

  79. 79.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @different-church-lady:

    Agreed. There’s a tribal nature to voting for the R, everywhere in this country. It’s not rational. The confederacy is a state of mind, and living among us here in Mass. are white people brain dead zombies who will always believe “those people” are the problem with this country, and can’t accept that they’re just simply mediocre and can’t compete unless “those people” are kept down. I know a few, and they’re extremely mediocre, believe me.

  81. 81.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    white people brain dead zombies who will always believe “those people” are the problem with this country, and can’t accept that they’re just simply mediocre and can’t compete unless “those people” are kept down.

    THIS

  83. 83.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Iowa Old Lady: That poor woman needs help. She’s totally lost track of reality. Every other Benghazi family has nothing but good things to say about the meeting they had with Hillary.

  84. 84.

    beer time somewhere

    Living north of the 49th I don’t run into any tRump supporters, until today.
    She: tRump is right, can’t come into our country unless they say they agree with our morals.
    Me: whose – yours or mine.
    She: ours
    Me: come on, you can say it – go ahead
    She: what?
    Me: white
    She: mumble mumble fvck you,

    I was going to ask her if she’d wear a chastity belt when going to a tRump rally but I won the round so no sense at piling on.

  86. 86.

    Boussinesque

    @Feebog: huh, when I was phone-banking for a local candidate, they had a computer program that did the dialing and provided information about the person you were calling, pulling from a voter database. Apparently it also runs your number through some kind of relay so that it always looks like it’s coming from the campaign’s official number. I imagine preventing incidents like this creeper is a fringe benefit. Hope you’re having luck with resolving the situation .

  88. 88.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    There’s an episode of “The Odd Couple” were Felix Ungar ends up playing tennis against Bobby Riggs. Felix concludes there is no way he can beat the tennis great unless he psychs him out so he desperately wears a mannequin head on his shoulders to confuse Riggs. (photo)

    This is the same desperate way Trump hopes to put a dent in Hillz.

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    @geg6:

    I’m guessing that Ecuador might be okay with a “normal” Republican, but they sure as shit don’t want batshit crazy Donald in charge. It’s all fun and games until the asshole gets elected.

  90. 90.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Hillary should just carry on and talk about what we need to do for each other, to continue the experiment. Drumpf is strictly about Drumpf. Nothing else is on his radar but how he can benefit, from anything. He doesn’t care about any lives he damages or destroys in the process. Not of importance to him. His followers are too stupid to realize he’d burn them all if he saw a way to benefit from it.

  91. 91.

    redshirt

    @MomSense: So sorry. Maybe you haven’t thought of this yet, but do you know how to treat these people long term? I’ve been thinking of responses to known Trump supporters – anger, shame, mockery. But I don’t think any of it will do any good. But can good be done with these people? I’d like to think so, but….

    I don’t know how to respond. There’s this cute old couple at the end of my road who I’ve had a few talks with and I was shocked and appalled when the Trump sign went up last week and has stayed up. I don’t know how I will respond the next time I see them. I want to lambaste them, but…

  92. 92.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    @MattF:

    @ BraddJaffy
    Trump is bringing Obama’s half-brother to the debate, KatyTurNBC reports

    Even speculating on the gurgling, fetid, monstrous-rodent infested swamp that is Trump’s brain, what the fuck point does he think he’s making?

    Maybe making the subtle point that Obama has colored relatives.

    He really does seem to believe he’s running against Obama (and Bill Clinton, of course). Just can’t wrap what passes for his brain around the fact that he’s losing to a GRRRRL.

  94. 94.

    ? Martin

    @Jeffro: NFL viewership is down because the Rams moved to LA and now the largest media market in the US can’t find a decent game on TV. Because Rams.

  97. 97.

    Jeffro

    @Mnemosyne: @Villago Delenda Est:

    GOP donors: No
    CS: what yew mean I can’t run against Pocahontas? I’m a celebrity outsider just like trump, I’m A self-made man with lots of money like trump , and…
    CS: oh…I see what you mean…
    CS: but maybe if I try to expl
    GOP donors: oh hell no

    ( everybody wants to take a shot at being Owen Ellickson these days…;)

  98. 98.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @MomSense:

    So, now you know. Maine is the whitest state in the country. When my husband moved to Gardiner to work, he was warned about “the Samoolis” (translation: Somalis). He was a bank executive, and since his bank was sold, his right hand person has dropped out of the job market and has identified himself recently on LinkedIn as Deplorable. We used to joke about Maine being the other end of the Appalachians, for a reason.

  101. 101.

    redshirt

    @Major Major Major Major: I try not to be mean in real life. And these are our fellow country persons. Our neighbors, our co-workers, etc. I just can’t believe how the wide the chasm appears between what we view is best for the future of our country. Grand Canyon sized.

  102. 102.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    That poor woman needs help. She’s totally lost track of reality.

    She reminds me a bit of Cindy Sheehan, with whom I was very sympathetic (and still am, regarding the loss of her son in Dubya’s War of Choice) until she went completely round the bend and allowed (encouraged) politicians to use and exploit her in service to their agendas.

  103. 103.

    Jeffro

    @? Martin: well see that’s just another way that liberals take all the joy out of everything… that team was doing perfectly well in St. Lou…oh never mind… even imitating wingnuts gets tiring after a while

  104. 104.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:

    Just can’t wrap what passes for his brain around the fact that he’s losing to a GRRRRL.

    That’s absolutely the best part of this. It’s like being thrown back to the third grade (oh, wait…for Donald that’s being thrown forward…) and dealing with schoolyard taunts.

    Donald can’t handle it, so time to imagine he’s being beat by a hick from Arkansas or Cleavon Little…at least they both have dicks, for the love of all things male chauvinist pig!

  105. 105.

    NonyNony

    @Anoniminous: I’m going to repeat my cautions of trusting to outlier polls and insist that the polling average is the way to look. RCP’s average has 42/37 Trump for Texas (though does not include this new poll – but it does include the University of Houson poll), Nate Silver’s average has 44/38 Trump for Texas (also does not include the SurveyMonkey poll).

    Having said that – the chaos this poll might be doing inside the Trump campaign makes me happy. I wonder if they have their own polling in Texas yet or not. If they end up devoting resources to shoring up Texas that make them drop the ball in Ohio or Arizona or possible even Georgia would be delicious. Just the fact that Texas is in the “leans Republican” category this year instead of the “Republican” category this year already makes me think happy thoughts about the future…

  107. 107.

    Patricia Kayden

    @dmsilev: I would assume that the kids have to play nice with Trump or he’ll cut them out of his will. He looks like that kind of Father.

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: If Trump was running against President Obama, he’d be toast. And what does Obama’s half-brother have to do with Secretary Clinton? Very odd.

  108. 108.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mnemosyne: Gossip is Tweety wanted to be Bubba’s press secretary in ’96, thinking his mastery of politics was just what they needed, and they more or less laughed at him. He’ll never get over it. I still can’t believe the moment in New Hampshire when he reached out and pinched HRC’s cheek didn’t get more attention.

  109. 109.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Holy shit Michelle in that dress!!!! Rocking the final state dinner. There will never be a FLOTUS like her again. I weep for the country.

  110. 110.

    Patricia Kayden

    @David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch: That’s odd because it should be obvious to anyone with a brain that Trump is not going to win on November 8th. Glad I stopped watching Matthews.

    @Mike J: Good. Assange is a rapist who needs to face his victims in court and stop interfering with our election. The fact that he’s all in for a bigot like Trump should end the leftwing fascination with all things Wikileaks.

  111. 111.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:

    What he can’t do is admit it, even to himself.

    Do you think he’s ever, in his life, had an introspective moment? Do you suppose, at any point, he opened up and bared his soul* to any of the women who married him? Or to any of his kids in an attempt at family intimacy and togetherness? Has he ever looked hard, or even fleetingly, at his deepest fears? — not “ISIS coming to our shores” or Messicans pouring over the southern border, he’s not the tiniest bit afraid of those things — but does he fear dying friendless and alone, does he fear or regret the consequences of different choices he’s made at hinge moments in his life?

    *(Yeah, I know)

  114. 114.

    redshirt

    @NonyNony: I don’t think anyone really believes Hillary will win Texas this year. But it is close, way closer than the normal R/D split. It bodes well for the future, a future when Texas will be blue and the national Repuke party will be dead.

  115. 115.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Patricia Kayden:

    And what does Obama’s half-brother have to do with Secretary Clinton? Very odd.

    I know. Even if HRC knows or recognises Obama’s half-brother, why in the world does Trump think his presence would rattle her? I guess there’s something going on in his decision-making that passes for strategy and tactics, but fucked if I can figure it out.

  116. 116.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @Mnemosyne:

    The entire MSNBC panel line up is way too white, led by retro white males who refuse to see how their framing of everything is constrained by white maleness. I feel like I’m watching fish explaining to land dwellers how water is everything.

  117. 117.

    Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
    Well, going by the abusive narcissist standard that he constantly displays (and I think other people who’ve been in relationships with folks like this will agree), he is insecure to a degree regular people would find shocking. He needs external validation constantly. He doesn’t know he’s won unless he’s praised for winning. He is constantly afraid except when he is A) having his ego stroked, or B) hurting someone who obviously cannot fight back. How much he’s willing to put any of this into words in his head is hard to say, but the emotions are there at work always. Presumably there are no shortage of moments when he’s having arguments with himself trying to find ways to convince himself that his fears are not true.

  118. 118.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: It’s pretty clear that the entire “Bill Clinton’s accusers” gambit did absolutely nothing to rattle Hillary. Why should this? Because Donald still thinks this is the primaries, his glory days, not the general, where this shit will not work against a determined, disciplined opponent who has been dealing with this sort of idiotic shit for 25 years.

  119. 119.

    Peale

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Back in the day, when MSNBC was Jack Welch’s network he founded simply because he hated the Clintons and wanted to give voice to the endless parade of anti-clinton news stories, Tweety made a bit of a fortune playing the role of the Democrat who Knew What Was Up with them.

  122. 122.

    Mark B

    @Jeffro: I would send an email to the dentist about your unwelcome conversation with the hygienist. If the the dentist has any integrity at all, the hygienist will get a talking to and won’t do that again. If the dentist doesn’t take action, you can always find another one.

  124. 124.

    MomSense

    @redshirt:

    I haven’t figured out what to do. I’ll probably try my best to “go high” but keep my distance.

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    I know all about it. My kids all ran/run cross country and are friends with the Somali runners they met at meets. Some of the things kids from other teams said to the Somali students were truly deplorable.

  126. 126.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Chris Hayes, white man, interviewing another white man. Even though they’re both liberals, white male news panels have just all gotten on my last fucking nerve.

  128. 128.

    Peale

    @redshirt: It is possilbe, maybe…someone posted somewhere a tweet that the GOP model for drawing electoral districts assumes that they will be +10-12 statewide in elections. If it falls below that number, say, down to +3, quite a few texas house members will be losing their jobs. Probably not enough to flip the state assembly, as the assembly is 99-50 in their GOPs favor right now. But getting that down to 80-70 would cause quite a local GOP flip out.

  130. 130.

    Mark B

    @redshirt: I live with a lot of deplorables, and oddly enough they like me, even though I’m pretty clear that I don’t believe in their god or their everybody for themselves (as long as the white people get a huge head start) philosophy. I just try to correct them when they say something obviously illogical, try not to listen to too much of their nonsense, and give them as much pity as I can muster, which isn’t a lot on most days.

    I grew up with a racist grandpa who hated blacks and mexicans and used vicious racial epithets every time he mentioned them. Eventually, he died, and that’s when he finally stopped hating. That’s the only way for some people.

  131. 131.

    Lizzy L

    From The Hill via digby, there’s this news:

    Hillary Clinton is dominating Donald Trump among millennial voters, according to a new USA Today/Rock the Vote poll released Monday. Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, has 68 percent support among likely millennial voters, and Trump, the Republican nominee, is backed by only 20 percent, according to the survey. Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson has the support of 8 percent of likely voters, and Green Party nominee Jill Stein is backed by 1 percent.

  133. 133.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    There are people on the coasts who actually support him. Just not very many of them.

    But to compensate, Republicans in the deep-blue states are the Trumpiest Republicans. The ones in the super-red states where he’s going to win by 30 points seem kind of embarrassed to vote for him.

  134. 134.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @redshirt: I’m not counting on it, but as crazy as this election has been already, it’s not out of the question at all. We have two weeks of “October Surprises” to go, and if they best the wingtards can come up with a clearly fabulist “Hillary’s Hitman” account of her supposed crimes, Donald’s surprises dominate the news cycle, and his desire to punish the GOP for their failure to surrender their pussies willingly to him bigly will only make the wave higher and stronger.

  135. 135.

    Peale

    @NonyNony: I doubt the campaign is spending much money on internal polling. My guess is that they are relying on whatever their local supporters tell them. LePage probably tells them that he personally doesn’t know any Clinton voters so he need to come on up there and campaign.

  137. 137.

    hovercraft

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: @MattF:

    The Kenyan-born man, who is also a U.S. citizen, announced in July he would vote for the Republican nominee. Now he tells the New York Post he is “excited” to attend the debate in Las Vegas and believes Trump “can make America Great Again.” Trump tells the Post his guest “gets it far better than his brother.”

    The Trump campaign confirmed to TIME that Malik would be the candidate’s guest.

    Malik told the Post he does not believe the women who have come forward to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct, asking, “Why didn’t they come forward before?” He found fault with Hillary Clinton’s work as Secretary of State, claiming that Muammar Gaddafi had been a friend and adding, “Check out the situation in Libya now.”

    He says his most recent visit with his half-brother at the White House in 2015 was a “hands-off kind of thing, very businesslike, very formal.” Malik has expressed resentment that Barack Obama has not helped him with his foundation to support the family’s village of Kogelo, Kenya. In 2013, he unsuccessfully ran for governor of the western Kenyan county of Siaya.

  138. 138.

    MomSense

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    I turned it off. MIchelle Obama wore a Versace chain mail dress tonight. As Angry Black Lady said the other day, Michelle Obama is my patronus. I’m going to surround myself with all the good things tonight.

  140. 140.

    NonyNony

    @Peale: I know that earlier on Trump was quoted as saying that he didn’t need polls. And that sources said that he wasn’t going to pay for polling.

    Dunno if that still holds true three campaign managers later. But if it does they’re probably freaking out at every poll that comes along because they don’t have any internal polling to confirm or refute it. I hope so – the idea that these guys are freaking out at every minor move in the polls warms the cockles of my dark cold heart.

  142. 142.

    Anoniminous

    @NonyNony:

    Oh absolutely take with salt. We need more data before getting our knickers in a twist but this is about the time – IF there was going to be a blow-out – we’d start seeing it in the polling.

  143. 143.

    Peale

    @redshirt: I’m a bit floored by that, actually. I figured that young bernie supporters (just the young ones) would flirt a bit more with the far left, but if that number is true, the Green’s really are in trouble as a potential spoilermaker for the Democrats. They aren’t even a respectable shadow replacement Democratic Party for the distraught.

  146. 146.

    ThresherK

    @Anoniminous: I’m sure there are others who can pedant this better, but MofE doesn’t work like that. A 2% lead in a poll with a 3% MofE means that that particular snapshot the leader of the poll has a 74% chance of being ahead.

    However, the idea that the we’re looking at a GOPNom who has a 74% chance of being ahead, in Texas, indicates a good direction for us Dems.

  148. 148.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    @efgoldman: Russia and Ecuador have close military ties (and a de facto client state):

    Medvedev did not hide his eagerness to sell Russian armaments to Ecuador and said he hoped the contract signed Thursday for the sale of two Mi-171E helicopters to the Ecuadorian army would be “just the start” of “technical-military cooperation” between the two nations.

    The Russian leader also hailed an impending agreement to eliminate visa requirements for citizens of each country who wish to travel to the other.

    Medvedev said his government and Correa’s see eye-to-eye on international issues and he expressed gratitude to Moscow’s “Ecuadorian partners for their understanding regarding some (Russian) concerns.”

    Though the Russian didn’t elaborate, media reports this week suggest that Ecuador is preparing to join Venezuela and Nicaragua in recognizing Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the two regions that declared independence from Georgia after Tbilisi’s August 2008 armed conflict with Moscow.

  151. 151.

    Tom Q

    @japa21: Sometimes waves get big enough they take out — or almost take out — people who weren’t even on the radar. Back in ’94, Sen Jim Sasser had barely been thought to be in a race till a week or two before election day, and he lost. And just in ’14, Mark Warner was cruising to re-election, per everyone — but he got blindsided on the very night of the election, only holding on by a point or two.

    As far as Tweety: anyone who watched Hardball back in the 90s knows that his contempt for the Clintons ran deep; no one pushed the impeachment thing harder than he did. And I seem to recall that, in 2008, when Hillary surprised everyone by coming back to win the NH primary, there were people arguing that the degree to which Tweety had piled onto her in the weekend preceding had helped make her a sympathetic underdog.

    Mathews’ biggest problem is he thinks his bigoted old uncle is always the swing vote. He probably was in the 80s and 90s, but those days are long past, and Mathews can’t adjust.

  153. 153.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @hovercraft:

    He found fault with Hillary Clinton’s work as Secretary of State, claiming that Muammar Gaddafi had been a friend and adding, “Check out the situation in Libya now.”

    Well, they don’t have Gaddafi threatening genocide of those who opposed him. That’s kinda nice.

  154. 154.

    hovercraft

    @Patricia Kayden:
    He cut off his brothers sick infant grandson, because his family tried to contest Fred Sr’s will, so yes I’d say he’s spiteful and vindictive.

  155. 155.

    gorram

    I think people need to read Rude Pundit’s point in the context of articles like David Wong’s recent one for instance (please note, David Wong, in spite of the nom de plume, isn’t an Asian guy from the rural heartland, but a White guy). I wouldn’t necessarily say the people making this type of an argument against Trump are necessarily for him (with Wong as an example, he’s literally saying Trump voters have lost their minds), but there’s a way in which they boil it down to needing to make progressive politics palatable to people who, often by their own accounts even, are flagrant racists, misogynists, etc etc etc. To put it shortly, that’s how you get Blue Dogs and forestalled progressive politics, no? We all remember 2009, right?

    I’m throwing Wong out there specifically because his take is particularly odious in how it alternates between erasing LGBT and people of color from a geographic broad swathe of the country without even asking how that happened*, and then tokenizes the few of us who remain in those areas. It’s a special vileness to talk about groups with recent histories of being as much as possible driven out (or worse) in these types of places to talk about how the otherness associated with that makes us frightening to the downtrodden types who just don’t want to feel afraid. Just. A lot of the people in those communities are trying to stop a Trump era in which that all happens again and more than a few of the people doing that sort of organizing in those places are people of color and/or LGBT.

    *In the middle of the police violence at Standing Rock no less! Golly gee how did we create wide open spaces reserved exclusively for Whites out here HMMMM?

  158. 158.

    Jeffro

    @Peale:

    the Green’s really are in trouble as a potential spoilermaker for the Democrats. They aren’t even a respectable shadow replacement Democratic Party for the distraught.

    Greens – real Greens, not wackaloons like Stein – aren’t all that distinguishable, position-wise, from the current Dem party, especially since Obama (and now Clinton) have fully embraced climate change as a huge threat to our country and the world at large. A challenge that big requires a party big enough and with its act together enough to actually get something done.

  159. 159.

    Tazj

    It’s so rare that I come across people IRL who are liberals,(outside of a few in my family), that I will never be the one to bring up politics in casual conversation. I’ve gotten “Don’t you just hate the government or people on welfare?” As the daughter of a teacher who became a social worker and as someone who received welfare as child, my answer has been a curt “No.”

    “It’s always a little shocking when someone you like and respect can support someone like Trump, support for Romney was somewhat easier to understand. A hair stylist that has the chair next to my own stylist was complaining about how badly Trump was being treated, I tried very hard to distract myself. She is a very nice person and great stylist, but I guess we will never agree on politics.

    Doesn’t Trump realize that his invitations to the debates just make him look weak and more than a little crazy? He can’t hope to win on the issues so he has to try to upset Clinton.

  160. 160.

    weaselone

    @NonyNony:

    True, but it’s the more recent Texas polls have shown leads generally 5% or less, with older polls dragging down the aggregate numbers. That means turning Texas blue is possible if Latinos vote in greater numbers than anticipated by the polls and a superior ground game pushes democrats the rest of the way over the finish line.

  163. 163.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @efgoldman:

    I was going to UMass Boston during the busing riots – remember it well. It was a time. Boston also birthed the most committed abolitionists. There’s always the seeds of one within the other, but we’ll always keep the light on for progressive values. Gay marriage started here.

  165. 165.

    JR in WV

    @Feebog:

    If he calls again, she should answer, be polite, and tell him that use of interstate communications systems for harassment is a federal crime, and his number and ip address has been turned over to law enforcement.

    Oh, yeah, and have a nice day!

  166. 166.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Jeffro: The Greens as an organized party basically said “fuck it!” when they got egomaniac Nader to carry their standard. They’re going to be irrelevant, forever.

  167. 167.

    Gelfling 545

    @Mike J: Using Ecuador’s resources to attack a foreign government puts Ecuador in a touchy position, I would imagine.

  169. 169.

    scuffletuffle

    @MomSense: when i run into people who are my political opposites who assume i am on their side, i have always told them flat out wherei stand and how far from their viewpoint i am. Generally it has shut them right up. A few have tried to argue me around to their viewpoint, but i tell them point blank that they will not succeed and why. No reason you should not express your own perspective.

  170. 170.

    WaterGirl

    @efgoldman: If you look at the formal announcement from Equador, it sounds like they are not close at all. They say they will continue to keep him safe. I don’t have the link handy, but someone else posted the link earlier.

  172. 172.

    JR in WV

    @Jeffro:

    Isn’t it interesting that people who are really good at one special thing, then conclude that they will be that good at everything else they try. This dork failed at running a gaming development company, now he thinks being a politician, a better politician that Professor Senator Warren, will be easy for him?!?

    Stupid. Good at physically demanding tasks, even complex ones, doesn’t make you a surgeon, or a politician. I would bet that Mr. Schilling is arrogant and condescending; these are not positive attributes for seeking public office.

    I wish him the luck of Trump going forward.

  173. 173.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Boston was founded by Puritans who had previously been kicked out of England by coreligionists for being assholes, and by the Dutch who were raving Calvinists at the time, for being assholes. Finally, in America, they found a place where they practice their religious oppression with no restraints. As a result, we’ve got Rhode Island!

  174. 174.

    Mnemosyne

    @Lizzy L:

    Though I hate to say it, I suspect that most of Stein’s supporters are squarely in my demographic group, Generation X. Because unfortunately most of my compatriots are assholes like that. Sigh.

  175. 175.

    NotMax

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Overused term, but pure (also foolish) optics. He wants someone who vaguely looks like Barack to be shown in pictures of his camp. Demonstrates the disdain in which the DT campaign holds the electorate.

    “Lookee there, Cindy Lou, even Obama’s not on Hillary’s team!”

  178. 178.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Puritans were the teabaggers of England, but the revolutionaries of the 18th century were all about the Enlightenment and those values informed the transcendentalists and abolitionists of the 19th century, which Massachusetts had in abundance.

  179. 179.

    NotMax

    re: the initial tweet in the post.

    Really, will anyone on the strip even notice another sign?

  180. 180.

    Jeffro

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    The Greens as an organized party basically said “fuck it!” when they got egomaniac Nader to carry their standard. They’re going to be irrelevant, forever.

    Yeah I hear you, I just don’t know about ‘forever’ (at least not just because of Nader). That’s already verging on ancient history for most. But in the sense of continuing to nominate egomaniacs and wackaloons, yeah, they’re pretty consistent.

    That aside, in the sense of having something to offer to voters, the Dems already cover environmental issues pretty well enough. (Everyone’s mileage may vary on that of course, but I doubt many would argue with that.) There doesn’t seem to be much room for Greens to grow their membership based on that, and the Dems will have the advantage of “better stick with us or else Repubs” for some time as well.

  181. 181.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Mnemosyne: Yup, it’s not easy. The cat hasn’t figured it out yet. Still expecting her home any time now. It’s been rough. My sister is inclined to turn into a puddle, doing what I can to help. I’ve always been the stoic one…when my brother passed due to Reagan’s monstrous attitude on AIDS, when my dad passed 8 years ago.

    Hangin’ in there. Have to. Three weeks to go before we put a woman in the White House.

  183. 183.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @efgoldman:

    I do mostly, but given the overwhelming evidence of Hillary’s lead, I’m curious to see what and how pundit bullshit is peddled.

  184. 184.

    hovercraft

    @NotMax:
    He looks about as much like Obama as I do, he just wants the headline. The fact that he says he’s not close to his brother, makes his endorsement and presence meaningless, if they were close then he could claim to have bagged defector. As things stand, he just has someone who has the same name. You can see a picture of him at the TIME link at #138

  185. 185.

    Mnemosyne

    @hovercraft:

    I almost wonder if this is a reaction to the recent stories about Giuliani’s daughter being a Hillary voter. Donald and Rudy do seem to be twin peas in a pod.

  186. 186.

    Peale

    @WaterGirl: Yep. I don’t think they’ll drop him. I do think the security personnel were a bit peeved when he planned that event where he did announce that he would address his throngs from the balcony. He’s got enemies beyond just the US and its Western Globalist Flunkeys. Like if they are responsible for protecting him, inviting throngs is not what they really would want.

  187. 187.

    NotMax

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne

    So what? All sorts of flashing, moving visual distractions there. One more just gets lost in the sensory assault.

    And a heckuva lot more people inside someplace, for the A/C. People don’t go to Vegas to check out the vehicular traffic.

  189. 189.

    redshirt

    @Jeffro: I can’t speak to the Green’s actual positions, but I hate the environmental groups that fight against solar or wind projects because a toad or a bird might be harmed. Yes, all life is precious, but you’ve got to fight smart. If putting in 28 square Kilometers of solar plants in AZ and NV can help eliminate 4 dozen coal plants (I’m just throwing numbers in here), then I’ll take the loss of some of the crested diamond back lizard’s range as a result. But nope. They’ll go to court and stop/delay these projects for years.

    Dumb. Forest for the trees and all that.

  190. 190.

    Jeffro

    @JR in WV:

    Isn’t it interesting that people who are really good at one special thing, then conclude that they will be that good at everything else they try. This dork failed at running a gaming development company, now he thinks being a politician, a better politician that Professor Senator Warren, will be easy for him?!?

    I honestly think that such folks look at politicians and think, “Well all they do is sit up there, spend my money, and run their mouths all day – how hard could that be?” Well yeah, if you want to follow the Trump Model ™ and raise no money, skip plotting and executing a long-term strategy, take a pass on opening field offices (’cause rallies are more fun!), shoot your mouth and Twitter account off every 15 minutes, etc etc, it’s not really hard. Heck, even debates are easy if you don’t care about prepping – just show up and start gabbing, right? It’s quite unbelievable and I hope they follow the Trump Model ™ for a million bazillion years.

    I’ve mentioned before that Trump’s most obvious flaw is that he is dumb as a rock. But it might actually be a tie between that and his laziness – they certainly complement each other. No wonder President Obama, and now Hillary, had such contempt for him even before all the ‘skeletons’ started coming out…

  191. 191.

    JR in WV

    @Mnemosyne:

    Not even professional ethics and morals can keep him from hating on Clinton in every appearance.

    Not even holding on to his job long term can keep him from hating on Clinton in every appearance.

    Hoping, anyway.

  192. 192.

    Gelfling 545

    @Mark B: I changed dermatologists after mine put a ” keep the government out of health care” poster in her office. Oddly enough she had no problem collecting her fee from Medicare.

  193. 193.

    Peale

    @Jeffro: I don’t think so much that its Nader, per se. But nominating Stein a AGAIN kind of means there isn’t anyone within the party who really gives much thought about wanting to be a candidate. I mean, they can always offer the alternative to the Occupy supporters as being more against global banking than anyone else, and the foreign policy left nuts that they are going to pare the military down to 3 corporals and only back foreign powers who have a history of standing up against the neo-colonial globalist US Empire. But really, their apologist come off as kind of pessimistic when you get right down to it, and my guess is that some people might be put off by that a bit.

  194. 194.

    hovercraft

    @Mnemosyne:
    Who knows what he’s gotten into his head, he’s all about settling scores at this point. He probably thinks he’s giving Obama a sick burn by brining his brother to the debate, and rubbing his face in the fact that his brother disagrees with him on Hillary.

  195. 195.

    Jeffro

    @redshirt:

    I can’t speak to the Green’s actual positions, but I hate the environmental groups that fight against solar or wind projects because a toad or a bird might be harmed. Yes, all life is precious, but you’ve got to fight smart. If putting in 28 square Kilometers of solar plants in AZ and NV can help eliminate 4 dozen coal plants (I’m just throwing numbers in here), then I’ll take the loss of some of the crested diamond back lizard’s range as a result. But nope. They’ll go to court and stop/delay these projects for years.

    Yup. Although I haven’t heard as much about that in the past 5-10 years…maybe just not looking hard…”un”-availability bias? I dunno.

    Seems like all the energy is on smart, sustainable conservation these days and the Dems are pretty unified on that. That might be a factor in helping the Western states start to turn bluer, too.

    Dumb. Forest for the trees and all that.

    Pretty punny there…

  196. 196.

    hovercraft

    @Jeffro:
    This is the attitude of most of the Teahadists, how come to DC knowing nothing and not willing to learn anything. They think that they are there just to say no, and are so ignorant that they do stupid shit like vote against raising the debt limit, because they don’t understand that it doesn’t authorize new spending, but debt already incurred. Who knew?

  197. 197.

    JR in WV

    @hovercraft:

    He’s endorsed Trump>?? WQTF!!!>? He isn’t even an American citizen, in 4 more months Obama is just a retired guy, who cares what his half-brother from another continent thinks about this election?

    Cray-Cray, all over again.

    Sad.

    NO, not sad, funny!! Absurd funny.

  199. 199.

    philadelphialawyer

    @Lizzy L: Yes, but the “liberal” media and many of the posters here are very, very, very concerned over the lack of enthusiasm of millenials for Hillary. And how they will vote twenty years from now!

  203. 203.

    Peale

    @hovercraft: Maybe in a new twist, since the e-mails haven’t established any actual favors and undue influence being granted beyond the fact that well-known people have an easier time getting their questions answered than unknown people, the new line will be “You may think that means Callous Hillary is honest, but she won’t do favors for Family! She’s anti-family like every feminazi.”

  204. 204.

    WaterGirl

    @hovercraft: Just looked at the photo at the link. Does not look like Obama at all. The most thought anyone might give to this is “oh my god, there is an actual black man sitting in the Trump section, wonder where they found him…”

    edit: or how much they paid him.

  205. 205.

    Jeffro

    @hovercraft:

    He probably thinks he’s giving Obama a sick burn by brining his brother to the debate, and rubbing his face in the fact that his brother disagrees with him on Hillary.

    Other exciting Trump debate/dominance ritual guests, if we only had world enough and time:
    Debate #4: Obama’s fifth grade English teacher, who gave him a B- for the 2nd marking period
    Debate #5: some guy who Hillary tutored back in high school who didn’t get a scholarship to Harvard afterwards…of course…
    Debate #6: a Mickey Ds employee who – get this – says that between 1993-1995, Obama would go back for a THIRD REFILL even when the soda sign clearly said ONE REFILL ONLY, PLEASE
    Debate #7: someone who once sat near Valerie Jarrett on a plane and saw her whispering…whispering!…into her phone…
    Debate #8: the clerk at Obama’s (former) favorite cigarette stop 7-11
    Debate #9: housecleaner who specializes in getting rid of sulfur odors (just to see Hillz’ reaction)
    Debate #10: Dan Burton, with a watermelon on his lap (way, way inside baseball on that one…probably too subtle for Trump but not Bannon or Bossie)

  207. 207.

    JR in WV

    @hovercraft:

    OK, I look and feel stupid now. No idea he immigrated to here.

    Welcome, sir.

    Vote for whom you prefer… eeew.

    Wait a minute…

    He’s voting against Hillary because Obama pissed him off?

    Gees, that’s stupid. Obama isn’t running. What wrong with these people? Don’t answer that!

  208. 208.

    redshirt

    @Peale: Anyone who brings up “The Emails” as a negative against Clinton, challenge them as to why.

    They won’t have any good answers. Maybe this will put some doubt in a few minds.

  209. 209.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @efgoldman: Whatever else one can say about the Puritans, education was a priority for them. Do enough reading and one starts with the thinking…

  212. 212.

    Doug R

    @Peale: That 8% Johnson curious would be Republican most years. Seeing Stein polling at basically MOE suggests the kids have their heads on straight.

  214. 214.

    Hill Dweller

    @hovercraft PBO has lived in Trump’s head rent free for years. No one can get under Trump’s skin as easily and effectively as PBO. This latest stunt with the half brother won’t change anything, and PBO will continue to torment Trump for the rest of his days.

  215. 215.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @hovercraft: Well, the blahs were allowed to vote. Which is why the NC GOP has been trying desperately to block them from every doing that again.

  217. 217.

    PPCLI

    @p.a.: Well, he did say in debate 2 that a Trump administration would massively increase production of coal, natural gas and oil. Apparently the reason for the slump in oil prices and the consequent downturn in the oil industry is that there needs to be more of it for sale.

  219. 219.

    JR in WV

    @hovercraft:

    Well, you can’t know everything, can you? I can’t. I don’t even have time to read all the threads on B-J anymore.

    But, yes, I do feel stupid for not knowing more before I shoot off my computer~! ;-)

  221. 221.

    Mnemosyne

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I wish my brother could remember where he put the family genealogy paperwork that I foolishly gave him to hold onto. I’ve been told that my mother’s side of the family traces back to William Bradford, but I’ve lost touch with them.

    (On my father’s side, we trace back to a long line of Italian sheep herders.)

  222. 222.

    WaterGirl

    @JR in WV: Your comments here are greatly appreciated, so I wouldn’t worry about whether you knew that the obama brother we’ve never heard of in the past 10 years is a US citizen. :-)

  223. 223.

    Matt McIrvin

    @efgoldman:

    And as we know, actual votes for third parties come out less than the polling pretty much every time. So she has no floor, which is fine with me.

    This is true for really minor ones like the Greens and Libertarians most years; not true for more major third party/independent candidates like Perot or Anderson. The polling in 2000 even got Nader’s popular vote share about right–it wasn’t that large but Nader had gotten a lot of publicity.

    My wild-ass guess is that Jill Stein is going to way underperform her polling, but Gary Johnson might not.

  225. 225.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (formerly fidelioscabinet)

    @Peale: Jill Stein is singularly incompetent at party development, which is what party leaders and party committees do in between elections. It’s a lot of work & you don’t have an audience for most of it. It’s dull and it’s daily and there aren’t many shiny moments.

  239. 239.

    slag

    When you try to “figure out” what drives Trump supporters and think that those of us who say, “Yeah, fuck them” are smug coast-clinging liberals, you are insulting the fuck out of the millions of people in Trump country who grew up in similar circumstances and decided that being racist, sexist, Islamophobic, anti-immigrant, and conspiracy-theory-loving jerk is wrong and work to make their area of the United States a little more tolerant and progressive…

    Yes yes yes!

  241. 241.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Boussinesque: Similar experience phonebanking in MD for the gubernatorial campaign in 2010. After the call concluded you pressed a number on the phone to register the respondent’s degree of support in the computer. Worked pretty well.

    I got one woman who told me both parties were the same as she teed off on me about all the phone calls. I told her, “We’re not the same. With Republicans you get a robocall. With Democrats you get a real live person you can yell at!” She laughed & eventually agreed to vote D.

  242. 242.

    Uncle Cosmo

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The geenyusses that run Trumpolini’s campaign might be setting up a Dead Zone moment when the grief-crazed woman charges Hillary, who shrinks cowardly away as the Secret Service slams the assailant to the ground, thereby destroying her candidacy. Yeah, right, that’s really going to work well…

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