Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Museums are not America’s attic for its racist shit.

If you can’t control your emotions, someone else will.

Just because you believe it, that does not make it true.

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

If rights aren’t universal, they are privilege, not rights.

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Proof that we need a blogger ethics panel.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

The willow is too close to the house.

This year has been the longest three days of putin’s life.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Republican also-rans: four mules fighting over a turnip.

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

GOP baffled that ‘we don’t care if you die’ is not a winning slogan.

Everybody saw this coming.

He really is that stupid.

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  4. 4.

    Mary G

    Back to McArthur and Patton spinning in their graves because of advance notice about the invasion of Mosul.

  6. 6.

    Kay Eye

    He’s a babbling fool. Plus curiously ruddy flush to his face. Plus wrong. Wrong wrong….
    I am so sorry this remarkable woman has to stand near him and listen to him.

  13. 13.

    TS

    I had to give myself a timeout to stay sane with Hillary against the other 2 on the stage. Thanks for all the great comments – has been a joy reading them all

  21. 21.

    Mary G

    We need to take out ISIS’s leaders the same way Obama and I took out Osama Bin Laden while you were making Celebrity Apprentice. I love NFG Hillary.

  32. 32.

    Run, Lillian!

    reposted from below:
    My sister, who doesn’t like Hils but hates Trump and is voting against him has gotten sucked into the debate and is now cheering on Hillary. She is thoroughly impressed. I am telling you these debates are a good thing because they give less informed people a chance to see Hillary without all the media bias. And they like her! My sis is a classic ‘independent’ (undecided)- voted Obama 08 and Romney 12. Hillary is winning her over from a never Trump to a Yay Hillary.

  35. 35.

    piratedan

    yeah Donald, all that was missing was the deal or no deal girls in briefcases…

    and btw, we know who the rebels are, YOU may not know who the rebels are

  38. 38.

    Wag

    Wrrroonnngggg

    I can’t believe that he’s falling into the same bs that failed so badly in the first debate. What an idiot.

  45. 45.

    Elizabelle

    Hillary would have made a killer prosecuting attorney.

    She is composed and steely, in her suffragette white suit.

    Trump seems less buffoonish than other debates — he learns a little through experience, and this is his third one on one — but he is still crazy ass rightwing talking points and bluster.

  46. 46.

    Corner Stone

    HRC looks like that tiger at the zoo stalking that woman who was sitting outside the glass of the tiger area.

  48. 48.

    dmsilev

    How long until Trump stats talking about the International Clintonite Conspiracy to Sap and Impurify Our Precious Bodily Fluids?

  50. 50.

    TS

    @Larkspur: Thank you that is so kind – and I have just recovered from a cold so I’ll take the virtual hug as substitute for the real thing :)

  54. 54.

    Davebo

    With the 1st and 3rd debates it’s clear Clinton has mastered the concept of rope-a-dope.

    Wearing him out. She doesn’t even respond, just let him go!

  55. 55.

    lamh36

    s ‏@iamwandasykes 16m16 minutes ago
    Hillary has to work on her “this muthafucka here” smile. It’s coming across as “I wish I had magic powers.”

  56. 56.

    Corner Stone

    @JordanRules:

    Chris Wallace has to wonder why this dumb ass won’t take his debate welfare

    It’s like the story of the guy who drowned in the great flood and asked God why he forsake him. And god said, I sent you a fucking helicopter and you refused!

  57. 57.

    misterpuff

    Trump’s Barroom Philosophy and Diplomacy.

    Closing Time!

    Do you want me to get you an Uber or an ambulance?

  60. 60.

    amk

    I am not going to slam the door on those women and children. Go Hillz for stating it publicly unlike the rw cowards.

  61. 61.

    Elizabelle

    @Run, Lillian!: Good to hear.

    Get that sister to vote tomorrow, or at her first opportunity.

    Hillary is our better avenging angels.

    Good point about the no media filter. This year, I think the media as a whole has proven they are as unprepared and unqualified as Donald J. Trump, who they enabled. For money.

  63. 63.

    some guy

    most of the rubes voting for T.Rump won’t have the faintest clue that on foreign policy Donald has no clue.

  70. 70.

    TS

    So I came back & the orange fool is still allowed to interrupt. Then again he just voted for Putin again

  75. 75.

    Corner Stone

    Less than zero? isn’t that a negative rate? Or at least a movie about coke with Robert Downey Jr. ?

  78. 78.

    Larkspur

    “America is stupid and outplayed, so all of you losers and fuck-ups should hang your heads in shame and vote for me!”

  79. 79.

    JGabriel

    Here’s a question Chris Wallace should ask:

    Mr. Trump, if you think Putin is outplaying America so drastically, and love him so much, why don’t you just move to Russia?

  80. 80.

    piratedan

    yes, lets be concerned about Debt while the oceans rise… get back to me Chris as to who kills me first, the planet’s weather of the fucking federal bank

  82. 82.

    amk

    gawd, this nut knows nothing about any subject. congrats gopee for inflicting this ignoramus on to the world stage.

  85. 85.

    beth

    Aren’t these great business people the greedy bastards who moved the jobs overseas in the first place?

  88. 88.

    Adam L Silverman

    @TS: He already called her crooked when he said she shouldn’t be allowed to run for president and should be in jail about 15 minutes ago or so.

  95. 95.

    Corner Stone

    @Helen: I don’t like any of his right wing framing of loaded questions but I have no problem asking her tough questions. She is killing this shit.
    I keep expecting the stage to open up and Beyonce and her crew to come dancing out on stage like she did for Lip Sync Battle.

  96. 96.

    Elizabelle

    He’s a little kid who’s playing in the adults’ game. He does not know what he does not know, has no respect for others who might know more.

    Someone was talking about how conservatives scoff at the idea of expertise and knowledge? Was it Kay?

    There it be. On the debate stage.

    And oh — that China is sneaky and scary. Too bad we have a government staffed with toddlers.

    This from a serial bankrupt, making these wild allegations.

  99. 99.

    jk

    Hillary is easily winning this debate. Wish this election could be held tomorrow. Can’t wait to see Trump get the humiliation of his life. Go Cubs and fuck the Cleveland Indians.

  106. 106.

    cckids

    @Run, Lillian!:

    My sister, who doesn’t like Hils but hates Trump and is voting against him has gotten sucked into the debate and is now cheering on Hillary. She is thoroughly impressed. I am telling you these debates are a good thing because they give less informed people a chance to see Hillary without all the media bias. And they like her! My sis is a classic ‘independent’ (undecided)- voted Obama 08 and Romney 12. Hillary is winning her over from a never Trump to a Yay Hillary.

    YES. I have a good friend who is completely apolitical, but (because of the groping tape), she’s watching the debate and cheering Hillary on. She will be voting for the first time in 12+ years, for Hillary. Trump distaste is just that strong.

  108. 108.

    lamh36

    The 2nd debate was planned low key by HRC…let Trump tapes do what they needed.

    Hilz camp knows that less folks than the past 2 debates will be watching this one.

    The folks who ARE watching…journos…narrative makers…will be watching to see i they can set the “stop the bleeding” narrative

    Hilz came prepared to cut in a 1000 little strategic places that will not cause gushing injury, but a slow steady bleeding…long enough to last…what 26 days?

  109. 109.

    Elie

    She is Athena — the goddess of wisdom and also a warrior. She could give a fuck about him… she has his number and knows there is no one home except a big fat empty suit. She is gonna run him over and never look back. So be it.

  113. 113.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    Just enough time for Donald to rush in and say that he disagrees with Reagan. Good you got that under the wire, Donald.

    And any remaining half-asleep rank and file conservatives finally give up the ghost entirely and buy movie tickets for Nov 8.

  115. 115.

    lamh36

    The 2nd debate was planned low key by HRC…let Trump tapes do what they needed.

    Hilz camp knows that less folks than the past 2 debates will be watching this one.

    The folks who ARE watching…journos…narrative makers…will be watching to see i they can set the “stop the bleeding” narrative

    Hilz came prepared to cut in a 1000 little strategic places that will not cause gushing injury, but a slow steady bleeding…long enough to last…what 26 days?

  116. 116.

    Another Scott

    Q: Grand Bargain on entitlements? Gotta cut and raise taxes, amirite?

    (sigh)

    The middle class has had enough cuts over the last 30+ years, Chris. I hope Hillary knocks it out of the park…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  117. 117.

    amk

    and the standard rw reply – repeal obamacare. jeez. it’s been 8 fucking years, you loon. It’s getting really, really old.

  119. 119.

    Joel

    Speaking of zombies, earlier in the election season we all had reason to fear that we were in a George Romero film. Turns out its the Edgar Wright / Cornetto version.

  123. 123.

    Mandalay

    Trump: “Obamacare is destroying our country!”

    ISIS can learn a thing or two from Obamacare.

  131. 131.

    Another Scott

    “I will not cut benefits! I want to enhance benefits for low-income people!”

    Thank you!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  133. 133.

    Elie

    I really like Hillary in all white or cream. She looks great… She is looking even better as the debate wears on and her tone is excellent…

  134. 134.

    Gin & Tonic

    Hed on Bloomberg now: “Trump Refuses to Say He’ll Accept Election Results If He Loses”

  135. 135.

    Elizabelle

    @Mary G: I know. So sick that everything is fit through the Pete Peterson frame.

    That is the owners of the media, talking. It’s not how citizens frame the discussion of their EARNED — fuck it — EARNED benefits.

    We need to get the framing back. I despise big media.

  138. 138.

    randy khan

    “Such a nasty woman” – and in response to something not remotely as mean as any one of ten things he said about her in this debate alone.

  144. 144.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Michael Grunwald ‏@ MikeGrunwald 31s31 seconds ago
    Wallace says even 6% growth wouldn’t affect entitlement problem. That’s a tell. Only true if the point is to cut them no matter what.

    Wallace says the debt hasn’t been discussed at the debates. That is really really not true. #coughclimatecough

  154. 154.

    randy khan

    “Please give us a minute of your stump speech to end the debate.” Actually, I’m okay with that.

    And . . . Hillary picks up the cue and Trump goes with a laundry list of what he thinks are his greatest hits.

  157. 157.

    Elie

    Trump aint gonna do shit. He’ll accept it cause he is gonna be curb stomped and his supporters aren’t gonna like being affiliated with that. Sure they’ll be pissed but they aint gonna do nothing … Its OVER

  163. 163.

    dmsilev

    Notice how Trump used a bunch of his closing statement to attack Clinton rather than make the case for himself.

  164. 164.

    piratedan

    and we get the Trump stump speech as our closer… too bad the people in our inner cities won’t see his speech since they are living in a hellhole and just trying to survive.

  167. 167.

    Elizabelle

    “Four more years of Barack Obama, and that is what you get if you vote for her.”

    Thank you, Mr. Trump. I’ll take that bet.

  176. 176.

    Felonius Monk

    @DanR2:

    When she shakes his hand at then end, she can hand him his ass back.

    But she will keep his balls and bury them in a jar.

  177. 177.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I think one of those phrase contradicts the other…

    Justin Wolfers ‏@ JustinWolfers 4m4 minutes ago
    Wallace did a good job managing this debate, but many of his questions (to both) have been: Why aren’t you promising Republican orthodoxy?

    also, too

    Jonathan Chait ‏@ jonathanchait 5m5 minutes ago
    I do think long-term debt is an issue, but the lack of climate change questions will look utterly insane to the future.

  178. 178.

    Elizabelle

    @dmsilev: He just wants the rightwing basest of the base to turn out.

    ABC: biggest news is the won’t answer on accepting election results.

  180. 180.

    Kay

    @Anoniminous:

    That’s what I want. A collapse.

    I don’t mind Fox talking about cutting Social Security because Donald Trump did one good thing- he showed that Republican voters don’t want Social Security cut any more than Democratic voters do.

    I always liked that about Bernie Sanders- mention Social Security and he immediately starts yelling :)

  183. 183.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    Over to MSNBC and that equally worthless fuck Chris Matthews.

    Oh, it’s Brian Williams. That’s so much better. //

  185. 185.

    Another Scott

    Heh. On C-span they are showing Hillary walking into the audience while Donnie calls up his clan to pose on the stage. Now he’s finally walking down into the crowd…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  186. 186.

    dmsilev

    At least on ABC, they’re focussing on the “I won’t necessarily accept the result of the election” thing. And all of the talking heads are appalled.

  189. 189.

    NotMax

    Trump did manage (mostly) to keep his voice modulated. Wilted word salad.

    “Such a nasty woman.” Yup, nobody respects women more than you, carotenoid.

  190. 190.

    piratedan

    I listened to the debate instead of watching it, but I will say that the low key Trump isn’t effective because you could actually listen to the tripped out shit he was proposing.

  193. 193.

    Larkspur

    @dmsilev: Ooh, I closed the CSPAN link early. Was there a handshake? I don’t know, but I am still drawn to my bottle of Purell just in case.

  195. 195.

    randy khan

    @Elizabelle:

    “Four more years of Barack Obama, and that is what you get if you vote for her.”

    Thank you, Mr. Trump. I’ll take that bet.

    Yeah, you might want to check the President’s approval ratings before you say something like that.

  199. 199.

    dmsilev

    Fuck, that answer was too much for Cokie Fucking Roberts to accept. We’re in the end times, folks.

  204. 204.

    Bill Arnold

    Hillary was an awesome attacker. So many attacks. And many of them effective.
    Counting on pissed-off women to turn the House or come close enough for a few defections. (Optimistic perhaps but hope is good.)

  205. 205.

    amk

    Joy Reid @JoyAnnReid

    In their closings, Clinton makes a positive case for herself. Trump makes a negative case against the country and Clinton. #debatenight
    8:06 AM – 20 Oct 2016

    This election in a nutshell.

  207. 207.

    Another Scott

    @Larkspur: No handshake. Hillary walked up to Wallace and shook hands while Donnie lurked behind his podium. When she was off-stage, he finally walked up to Wallace and shook hands. Then he called up his brood to claim his victory, or something.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  208. 208.

    Jeffro

    it’s weird, isn’t it? It almost feels like Election Night??

    Let’s “shake it off” and GOTV for 3 more weeks!

  209. 209.

    Kay

    Kellyanne ConwayVerified account
    ‏@KellyannePolls
    Hearing privately from many reporters that Hillary had a “terrible night” & Trump had best debate. Hope this will make it into print, on air

    When this is over I can stop hate-reading these people. I feel I have to monitor them.

  210. 210.

    PsiFighter37

    Refusing to accept the election results is the main takeaway.

    Trump has the absolute worst instincts.

  211. 211.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    @Anoniminous: Last line of the article:

    The 2016 election could be a landslide rejection of Donald Trump, and everything that the Republican Party has come to stand for over the past eight years.

    Lessee… 2016 – 1980 is… carry the one… nope, no matter how I do that subtraction I’m ending up with a number a lot bigger than “eight”.

  213. 213.

    debbie

    Trump’s got a real nerve calling anyone nasty.

    I’m insured through my employer and was surprised to learned I’ll only be paying an additional $1.50 for the same coverage as this year. I blame that on the ACA.

  214. 214.

    Another Scott

    Hillary is still in the audience, Donnie and his brood have left the auditorium.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  216. 216.

    Jeffro

    And dang if almost every other answer Hillz gave was a variation on “this is who Donald is…this is how he thinks…”

    She’s so in his head, it’s like no election I’ve ever seen

  219. 219.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Run, Lillian!: I’m nothing like unbiased but I do think HRC benefits from people seeing her, especially in direct opposition to Trump. Her favorable ratings are pulling close to even

  221. 221.

    randy khan

    Chris Matthews says Hillary won. Oh, my.

    And all of the commentators seem equally appalled by Trump’s answer on whether he’ll accept the results.

  222. 222.

    lamh36

    ‏@jbarro 2m2 minutes ago
    Fox News panel is astounded by Trump’s refusal to accept the election results.

  225. 225.

    Mary G

    Jake Tapper has a sad that Donald let Hillary get away with not talking about Bill’s womanizing.

  226. 226.

    Fair Economist

    @Jeffro:

    it’s weird, isn’t it? It almost feels like Election Night??

    My vote’s already mailed so – yeah, pretty much. When do results start coming in?

  230. 230.

    Anoniminous

    @Kay:

    After the last round of polling and his melt down in tonight’s debate I’m thinking the House is in play. Trump is clearly unqualified to be President and that will hurt the down ticket races.

  232. 232.

    cckids

    @Elizabelle:

    “Four more years of Barack Obama, and that is what you get if you vote for her.”

    Thank you, Mr. Trump. I’ll take that bet.

    Hell yes. When I think back to 8 years ago and the utter terror my family was in as the economy went into freefall and we lost 40% of our income and subsequently our home, HELL YES. I will take 8 more years of Obama-type governing, thankyouverymuch.

  234. 234.

    WaterGirl

    @Anoniminous: I like the closing line from your article:

    What is unfolding is nothing less than the destruction of the far-right led Republican Party.

  236. 236.

    NotMax

    Steve Schmidt:

    “He was like an old man in the park harrassing squirrels and arguing with himself.”

  237. 237.

    lamh36

    @politicalwire 15s15 seconds ago
    The headline is that Trump won’t accept the results if he loses… it doesn’t matter that he was better this time

  239. 239.

    dmsilev

    @piratedan:

    even Mathews said Hilz won… I have to go and see if the sky is still up there

    I think I just saw a pig on final approach to LAX.

  242. 242.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @lamh36: I’ve managed to mostly avoid him for a couple of weeks now, but from what I’ve seen and read here he’s having some major regression to his blue-collar-philly catholic persona

  243. 243.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    Oh, jeez, the talking heads are playing up the “clear and present danger” angle of not accepting the election results. Drama!

    Christ, why don’t we just wait for Seven Days in May on TCM at 12:30?

  245. 245.

    TriassicSands

    EXTRA! EXTRA! HILLARY CLINTON — SUCH A NASTY WOMAN.

    I’ve never been a big Clinton fan, but I’ve never felt as sorry for a presidential candidate — having to run against a pig like Trump is something no one deserves (except other Republicans).

    If Clinton behaved toward Trump in a manner similar to his treatment of her, she would have spent half the debate calling Trump a pig and the other half, while he was talking, repeatedly saying Oink Oink Oink into the mike.

    The biggest liar in the history of modern American presidential campaigns calls his opponent a “liar.” Unbelievable.

  246. 246.

    Theron Ware

    OMG, Steve Schmidt just nailed it by saying tRump was the “old man in the park feeding the squirrels! Ahahahahahaha!

  247. 247.

    Fair Economist

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I’m nothing like unbiased but I do think HRC benefits from people seeing her, especially in direct opposition to Trump. Her favorable ratings are pulling close to even

    Oh, absolutely. Check out the % of winning at 538. DNC – boom, her ratings soar. Debates start, boom, her ratings soar. People like her when they see her – we have proof!

  248. 248.

    lamh36

    @Taniel 8s8 seconds ago
    .@KellyannePolls on CNN: “we’re going to accept the result of the election because we’re going to win the election.” Think about that logic.

  249. 249.

    misterpuff

    Tweety haz a SAD but still gives the decision to Hillary.

    He really wants a Big daddy. Some day, some day, Tweety, your prince will come.

  251. 251.

    piratedan

    if this gets the promotion it deserves, we could take the house… lets see if the GOP goes all in or cuts this fucker loose

  252. 252.

    Mary G

    Kellyanne spinning insanely. He’s going to win the election so I can say congratulations Mr. President. And Al Gore taking back his concession to GWB, so both sides. Even the rightwingers are laughing at her.

  255. 255.

    hovercraft

    Tweety says she won because she focused on women in the suburbs, he thinks it was a close debate, the best by Trump so far.

  257. 257.

    Anoniminous

    @Ceci n’est pas mon nym:

    I was sitting in a bar election night 1984 when Ronnie RayGuns swept into office. I hope to be sitting at a friend’s house in a couple of days when we kick the Conservative Movement in the balls, into the gutter, and then sweep it into a trash can.

  258. 258.

    hovercraft

    Tweety says she won because she focused on women in the suburbs, he thinks it was a close debate, the best by Trump so far.

    Steve Schmidt says Trump was like an old man in the park arguing with himself on national security.

  259. 259.

    burnspbesq

    @Anoniminous:

    Kentucky Is Now A Toss Up As Trump Support Collapses In Mitch McConnell’s Home State

    What the hell? Did Christian Laettner endorse Trump?

  261. 261.

    Amir Khalid

    Well, there it is. No surprises. Looks like the Donald got thumped by the superior candidate, as everyone expected. He showed no truly catastrophic loss of decorum, but a glaring lack of subject-matter knowledge isn’t going to win anyone over or catch him up to Hillary. The presidential election was pretty much decided before tonight: Trump has lost. The only question left, it seems to me, is how much damage he’ll cause his party downballot.

  262. 262.

    Jeffro

    By the way, Trump’s stupid refusal to accept the results of the election…BESIDES how offensive it is to people who respect this country’s laws and traditions…he’s also basically saying that OUR votes don’t count. I haven’t looked on Twitter yet, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the rest of Hillz’ campaign is basically that: “Donald says your vote doesn’t count: prove him wrong”

    Fired up! Ready to go!

  263. 263.

    cmorenc

    Chris Wallace was much better and fairer as moderator than many of us on the progressive side expected. I’d even go as far as saying he was “fair and balanced” – unlike the day-to-day practice of the Fox network he works for.

  265. 265.

    dmsilev

    ABC just read a statement from Lindsey Graham saying that if Trump loses it won’t be from rigging, but because he failed. Hah.

  266. 266.

    Poopyman

    @piratedan:

    lets see if the GOP goes all in or cuts this fucker loose

    Voting is already under way. This fucker is tied around their necks for good.

  270. 270.

    amk

    LOLGOP ‏@LOLGOP 25m25 minutes ago

    In conclusion, Trump doesn’t respect our democracy but has mad respect for Putin and Assad.

  271. 271.

    p.a.

    What comes next? Will every Repub Congresscritter up for election* run away from tRump and try to convince the tRumpists that tRump is actually a RINO?. Seems a big order for 3 weeks.

    Can you say voter intimidation? Suppression. Caging. It’s what’s for dinner. All they have left.

    *say in R+4/5 or less

  272. 272.

    No One You Know

    Kelly Anne walking away from a question. That’s tape almost as hot as Trump saying he’d keep us all in suspense.

  273. 273.

    Darkrose

    @Kenneth Kohl: I haven’t disliked the remaining teams in the playoffs this much in forever.

    Cleveland: Problematic name and racist logo.

    Cubs: Joe Maddon worship annoys the fuck out of me. Owners are RWNJ. Aroldis Chapman makes me cringe.

    Dodgers: Dodgers.

  276. 276.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Mary G: I’m not one who thinks that anybody will pay much of a price for supporting Trump– Christie, Gingrich and Rudi were pretty much washed up when they latched on to him, Pence too. But a year from now KAC will be happy to be back on Bill Maher’s last-minute-replacement list as things return to the status quo ante Trumpus

  277. 277.

    trollhattan

    So can’t wait until President Hillary can say, “I’m president now, and you now have to listen to me instead of talking over me.” Jesus, they treat her like crap.

  279. 279.

    lamh36

    @cmorenc: nope…you are comparing him to his RWNJ persona on Faux…compared to that facade…sure maybe..

    But he was trying darn hard to give Trump ammo, and if Trump was a better candidate…he would have hit it out of the park.

  283. 283.

    gf120581

    He refused to say he’d accept the results of the election. That’s it. Nothing else matters. That’s the headline for tomorrow.

    Watch Republicans flee from him like locusts from pesticide.

  287. 287.

    Ian

    @Anoniminous:
    I suspected this would be the case after the Obama years. Kentucky has more registered dems than repubs, but many didn’t want to vote for an African American.

  288. 288.

    amk

    Tyler Oakley ‏@tyleroakley 36m36 minutes ago

    imagine a president who, during conversations with world leaders, is unable to have conversations & just whispers “wrong” #debatenigh

  289. 289.

    WaterGirl

    @Aleta: Yep. They created a republican world that was ready for donald trump, and he’s taking them all down with him. Isn’t karma a bitch.

  290. 290.

    randy khan

    Nicole Wallace on his failure to agree that he’d accept the results: “He basically laid in his coffin with the hammer and the nails” and then a gesture of pounding the nails in. “It was a disqualifying comment.”

    And she then says Hillary did her best job yet, and that other Republicans said the same thing.

  291. 291.

    Another Scott

    Someone said we need a thread on EV and popular votes. I think Sam Wang at PEC is doing a great job, but I think his analysis is based on a lagging indicator. Yeah, things haven’t changed much over the last year or so, but that was before most people were really paying attention.

    PEC: Hillary: 337 / Donnie: 201

    My gut reaction is she’ll do better than Obama did in 2008 because Trump is so very much worse than McCain and because people are feeling better about the economy, and because there has been a huge surge in voter registrations over the last 8 years – 200 M registered voters.

    Me: Hillary: 375+ / Donnie: 163

    Senate: D
    House: Very close to D

    Popular vote: 57%/40%/3% others

    You?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  292. 292.

    Stella B.

    @randy khan:”Four more years of Obama” and she broke into a big grin. Fine with me too. There’s a reason why PBO has a 55% approval rating. I’d like to see HRC get 55% approval on Nov 8.

  293. 293.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    @Elizabelle:

    Wallace is a creature of Big Media and Big Conservativism.

    To me he showed tonight that he is a creature of Fox News. Period.

  296. 296.

    Another Scott

    Someone said we need a thread on EV and popular votes. I think Sam at PEC is doing a great job, but I think his analysis is based on a lagging indicator. Yeah, things haven’t changed much over the last year or so, but that was before most people were really paying attention.

    PEC: Hillary: 337 / Donnie: 201

    My gut reaction is she’ll do better than Obama did in 2008 because Trump is so very much worse than McCain and because people are feeling better about the economy, and because there has been a huge surge in voter registrations over the last 8 years – 200 M registered voters.

    Me: Hillary: 375+ / Donnie: 163

    Senate: D
    House: Very close to D

    Popular vote: 57%/40%/3% others

    You?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  297. 297.

    Davis X. Machina

    Though I be a woman yet I have as good a courage answerable to my place as ever my father had. I am your anointed Queen. I will never be by violence constrained to do anything. I thank God I am endued with such qualities that if I were turned out of the Realm in my petticoat I were able to live in any place in Christendom.

    Don’t usually root for monarchies, but, hey…

  298. 298.

    Steve in the ATL

    @cmorenc:

    Chris Wallace was much better and fairer as moderator than many of us on the progressive side expected. I’d even go as far as saying he was “fair and balanced” – unlike the day-to-day practice of the Fox network he works for.

    Is this a case of lowered expectations? I thought he was awful and clearly had his thumb on the scale. On the plus side, Hillary took on both Wallace and Trump and dominated.

    I am both disgusted by and embarrassed for anyone who is a Trump supporter after all this.

  303. 303.

    Another Scott

    (Trying 3rd time…)

    Someone said we need a thread on EV and popular votes. I think Sam at PEC is doing a great job, but I think his analysis is based on a lagging indicator. Yeah, things haven’t changed much over the last year or so, but that was before most people were really paying attention.

    PEC: Hillary: 337 / Donnie: 201

    My feeling is she’ll do better than Obama did in 2008 because Trump is so very much worse than McCain, and because people are feeling better about the economy, and because there has been a huge surge in voter registrations over the last 8 years – 200 M registered voters.

    Me: Hillary: 375+ / Donnie: 163

    Senate: D
    House: Very close to D

    Popular vote: 57%/40%/3% others

    You?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  305. 305.

    Kay

    @Anoniminous:

    Trump is clearly unqualified to be President and that will hurt the down ticket races.

    Kentucky has to terrify them. The most heartening thing I saw today was the Scholastic poll. I believe in the poll of 2nd graders. My now 8th grader voted in it in the Obama/McCain election. I asked him who he voted for and he said “NOT the lady in the red coat” Sarah Palin :)

    They get pictures of the candidates. We need those.

  306. 306.

    JR in WV

    @Larkspur:

    Did he just say “Such a nasty woman”?

    Yes. Yes! He did say that, he might as well have called her a bitch, which is what he wanted to say. Wonderful debate, Donald, wunnerful~!!!

  307. 307.

    Elizabelle

    @WaterGirl:

    They created a republican world that was ready for donald trump, and he’s taking them all down with him. Isn’t karma a bitch.

    Astute and succinct. Wish this would be the election postmortem.

  309. 309.

    Joel

    @Death Panel Truck: The Ricketts are as awful as their namesake disease, but virtually every owner in professional sports is a raging wingnut. That said, the Ricketts are probably a cut above (alongside Jerry Richardson et al.)

  311. 311.

    Jeffro

    @seaboogie: it was important to draw a stark contrast with Trump and not complain about ‘unfairness’ in any form (including the moderator’s questions) She would have been right on her facts but lost the advantage of the contrast. It was great. Disciplined. Leader-ly.

  312. 312.

    amk

    Chloe Angyal ‏@ChloeAngyal 24m24 minutes ago

    “Your husband disagrees with you” – second to “you’re ugly,” this is pretty much the worst insult Trump can imagine for a woman #debatenight
    0 replies 325 retweets 610 likes

  313. 313.

    Patricia Kayden

    Does anyone expect Trump to act like a decent human being instead of the egomaniac that he is? Of course he’s not going to accept that a girl whooped his behind given his sense of entitlement.

    Who cares if he doesn’t accept the outcome of the election? He will still have lost — and hopefully he drags down the rest of his Party with him.

  315. 315.

    Baud

    @amk: I noticed that too. The problem with Trump is that he says so many awful things, you can’t focus on any one of them.

  317. 317.

    barns

    Why do you people care what Tweety thinks? Who gives a fuck. He represents nobody but himself. Has a colorized picture of young actor Reagan hanging on his bedroom wall.

  318. 318.

    WaterGirl

    Talked to a friend this afternoon who told me this afternoon that he wanted to vote because he always does but he wasn’t sure he could vote this year because he didn’t like either of them. Just got a text about the bad hombres trump wants to get rid of. That’s one no vote that just flipped to the Hillary column.

  319. 319.

    Botsplainer

    Finally hooked into inflight wifi as other pax fall asleep. Right now, I’m over Hudson Bay. Flight path is taking me within a few hundred miles of the North Pole, then over Siberia (about halfway between Irkutsk and Vladivostok), then over eastern Mongolia and part of Manchuria before Beijing.

    What did I miss?

  325. 325.

    Incitatus for Senate

    OMG
    A: Retorically speaking, she beat him with a stick.
    B: Loved her outfit, anyone else think she had a little Thomas Jefferson thing going on?
    C: Bill, before she walked on stage: “What is best in life?”
    Hillary: “To crush your enemies — See them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!”

  327. 327.

    Mary G

    Van is killing it. They all said Trump started out well and Van said no. You have to go back to LL Cool J and the lies that he lied about lying about.

  332. 332.

    RandomMonster

    I think the “a nasty woman” line will be headline news too. And it was all her provoking that made him say it.

  334. 334.

    Betty Cracker

    Christ, here’s the block of cream cheese again. Even he knows Trump’s refusal to accept the results is bad.

  335. 335.

    randy khan

    Hugh Hewitt just said Trump won 14 out of 15 rounds, but knocked himself out on the accepting the results issue. (Hewitt is useless on the rest.)

  340. 340.

    trollhattan

    @seaboogie:
    It seems like low-hanging fruit to call out misogyny in this election when so much Hillary hate hangs in the air but at times, tonight being an overwhelming example, she’s outright treated dismissively because she’s a woman. I’m sickened.

  346. 346.

    TS

    @hovercraft:

    the best by Trump so far.

    After the first 2, this one had to be better – thus said, the goon had help from the moderator – all the questions were directed towards very basic issues that he might understand.

    My disgust was at the beginning – wh0 debates SCOTUS and the constitution by discussing abortion and the 2nd amendment. Those 2 topics are ALL the orange excuse for a person knows about SCOTUS and the constitution. I found the questions and followup insulting to anyone who has read the constitution – and the goon sure has not.

  347. 347.

    Anoniminous

    @Kay:

    We heard last week the GOP national party figures were in a panic, now we know why.

    This is shaping into a Landslide.

  349. 349.

    NotMax

    Classic elementary school joke:

    Did you hear about the butcher who accidentally backed into the meat grinder?

    He got a little behind in his work.

  350. 350.

    JR in WV

    @Kay:

    That is so terrible, You should stop now, I think it’s in the bag for Hills.

    Thanks for all you do for us! A great poster and commenter.

    I’ve been phone bank calling into Ohio from down here, it’s mostly been OK so far. Once I got a return call from a “no answer” guy, he turned out to be working for Hillary up there, and he said he was greatly cheered to hear that people in WV were calling into Ohio to help him out.

  352. 352.

    Ruckus

    @cckids:
    I’ve said it here before, if not in this way, GWB and his gang of assholes ruined me. I had nothing left, lost a small new business (weren’t we supposed to open small businesses to grow the economy?), lost my retirement fund, lost all my savings, ended up with $200 to my name and no place to live other than my 14 yr old van. I now live in a nice apt with a good job, just replaced the van with a new car….. Yeah Thanks Obama. Thank You very, very much. Four more years of that? Fucking A, I’ll take that for the rest of my life. And hope that everyone else gets some of that.

  355. 355.

    Elizabelle

    @Kay: Do you think Kellyanne will be able to wash the Trumpstink off her?

    I don’t. There are just people who should not be in polite society or on non-Fox TV after this has concluded. ETA: Giuliani, Gingrich, too many to mention. Everyone who foisted this genuinely dangerous and divisive nominee on us.

  360. 360.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    This is the first time I’ve seen Uday (D. Jr.) speak. He’s even more repellent than in his photographs.

  364. 364.

    Steve in the ATL

    @amk:

    Nonsense. He was being the typical aggressive to dems and ass kissing to donnie pox news persona spouting the typical rw talking points.

    Dude, that was my point exactly.

  367. 367.

    Trentrunner

    Not enough being said about how phenomenally strong Hillary was tonight.

    She was prepared, impassioned, steely, and she endured. Her answers were so, so good on almost every question and in every exchange.

    I am so proud and can’t wait to vote for her. :)

  368. 368.

    Another Scott

    @Trentrunner: What’s keeping you from doing so? I voted about 2 weeks ago. ;-)

    Yeah, she was great. I even liked her answer about her proposed No Fly Zone – and I’ve been (and remain) skeptical about that for a very long time.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  369. 369.

    JR in WV

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’m proud of her, and I hope she’s proud of the job she has done over the past year. Not to mention building the best campaign staff since Obama built his. Now if only she can keep it together and point it at the Democratic Party!

  370. 370.

    JR in WV

    @Botsplainer:

    She kicked his ass. All you need to know. Oh, yes, he didn’t say he would accept the results of the election, and the press corps is appalled. Totally. Disqualifying statement!

    Sweet

  372. 372.

    Mary G

    That was her best performance. She was relaxed and positive and brushed off Wallace’s frames.

    CNN polls 52/39 Hillary won it.

  375. 375.

    Elizabelle

    @PsiFighter37:

    Kayleigh is on some strong hallucinogens, she thinks Trump did an awesome job.

    Not watching any of the kabuki afterwards. Lots of heat and no light.

    Positively zenlike here.

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