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Before 1° debate: Clinton +1.5
Before 2° debate: Clinton +5.6
Before 3° debate: Clinton +7.1https://t.co/WLXtJovjYd— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) October 19, 2016
YouTube livestream here.
Guardian liveblog here.
Everybody ready?
I feel like in the next 20 days America might get so far out on the stupid frontier we might never come back.
— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) October 19, 2016
Baud
Nothing left except the voting.
Mustang Bobby
I will watch this with the same fascination I had in 1971 when I was in Toledo, Spain, and watched a bullfight: I’ve seen one and I never want to see it again.
dmsilev
Here we go.
20 days and counting (including Election Day). There’s a light at the end of the tunnel, and I’m fairly sure it’s not an incoming train.
Trentrunner
Remember: (Mostly male) anchors/pundits after the debate are likely to be fucking WRONG, and in Trump’s direction.
Major Major Major Major
Sam Wang says one of the betting sites paid out its “Clinton to win” bets today.
PsiFighter37
GODDAMMIT WHERE IS MY FOOD. I just started my second beer and am already feeling a strong buzz.
PF37 +2
dmsilev
@Trentrunner: Post-debate snap polls have so far been doing a good job cutting off at least some of the idiocy.
Trentrunner
@dmsilev: Yes, but still annoying to listen to that nonsense for 30-60 minutes
Major Major Major Major
Hugh Hewitt looks tired.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Don’t want to watch. I will read about it, though.
Betty Cracker
Ambulatory cream cheese sculpture Hugh Hewitt is a big Cleveland Indians fan!
Jeffro
Only thing that concerns me is if Okeefe is present – that guy’s really unstable, unethical and attention seeking
Old Dan and Little Anne
Hey, crowd. Shut the fuck up!
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Oh there’s other possibilities other than voting.
— Abraham Lincoln; Copper Union Address, 27 FEB 1860
debit
I have wine and Boom Chicka Pop popcorn. I am ready.
p.a.
@dmsilev: Why believe in a scientifically designed poll when there’s internet polls available?
dmsilev
@Jeffro: What can he do, rush the stage? I’m sure the Secret Service would love that.
Iowa Old Lady
@debit: I love Boom Chicka Pop!
Mary G
Chris Wallace says it’s 3:00? What time zone does he think he’s in?
PsiFighter37
Chris Wallace sounded like he was about to piss himself in that little intro.
MomSense
I could live stream the dog mayhem at my house. It would be like the debate version of the puppy ? bowl.
BillinGlendaleCA
@PsiFighter37: Oh gawd, you’re not playing the Trump drinking game?
Baud
@Mary G: The debate is rigged.
PsiFighter37
@Mary G: It’s 3 PM in Hawaii, or it’s 3 AM in Europe…imagine Hawaii is the more pleasant location.
Bobby D
Lets get it on! Smack this orange clown down, Madam Sec.
Major Major Major Major
@Mary G: right?
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: Yep, one of the Irish ones.
debbie
Gotta love the Guardian:
Run, Lillian!
I got my ballot in the mail today! I live in CO which is doing statewide mail-in ballots this year. I used to live in OR which has been using this system for more than a decade and it is awesome. Can’t wait to drop my ballot off next week. We have a right to die initiative (modeled after Oregon) and I get to vote for universal healthcare. Hillary is going to win CO by 9+ points and Bennett has a cakewalk so no matter what happens tonight, I am have things to be pleased about. This is what I tell myself because I get so nervous.
GO HILLS!!!
debit
@Iowa Old Lady: All their flavors are good, but tonight I have the cheese and caramel mix. It’s sublime.
PsiFighter37
@BillinGlendaleCA: I can’t play a drinking game and be functional the next day. So it’s just a steady stream of drinking instead.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: I worked with an albino when I was an undergraduate that wasn’t as pale as Hugh Hewitt.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Jeffro: Like Trump isn’t?
JordanRules
@MomSense: That would be amazing!
Baud
Chris Wallace is using a teleprompter!
dmsilev
Even just reading the standard script, Wallace comes off as a smarmy git.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Still bitter, eh Baud?
redshirt
“Mr. Trump”?
dmsilev
No handshake! To the fainting couches!
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
Rachel had a segment on that last night, they started early last time, but it was just a couple of days, not three weeks before election day. That was part of why Trump was more vocal about Brexit yesterday, because the bookies were wrong about that.
debit
And no handshake again. Hillary looks great.
MomSense
@JordanRules:
We’ve already had two lamps go down, chairs topple over, but I managed to save my beer from spilling at the last second. I swear I had a moment of Jason Bourne like reflexes.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: Don’t want to talk about it.
Thoughtful David
Sitting down with a nice glass of Rainwater*. Will not watch the debate, but will be here watching the liveblog.
* from Ilha Madeira
PsiFighter37
No handshake. Game on!
BillinGlendaleCA
@PsiFighter37: Hell, if you played the Trump drinking game, you’d be less than functional. A coma would be the best case.
Adam L Silverman
@Jeffro: The two concerns need to be Pat Smith, who’s son died at Benghazi and the African American guy who was determined by DNA test in 1999 not to be Bill Clinton’s son. My understanding is that the intention is to force one or more confrontations between them, Secretary Clinton, and/or President Clinton. In the former case by having Trump push Clinton during the debate to apologize to Mrs. Smith. In the latter case its to push President Clinton during the debate to admit this guy is his son and acknowledge he’s part of the Clinton family.
dmsilev
@redshirt: Well, his full title of “Sexual Predator and Business Con Man Trump” is a bit formal for the venue. “Mister” is an approved abbreviation.
Steeplejack (phone)
First question too long and involved.
NotMax
Set designer used the Iron Cross as a template?
Chris
Holy crap. I hate having a cold SO MUCH.
Sorry. Back to the debate.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
I already hate Chris Wallace. He’s not at all crisp.
Omnes Omnibus
@PsiFighter37: Paris at 3:00 a.m. can be quite fun.
Rob
@dmsilev: Yeah, I agree. I’ve never seen him live before.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Me too.
Corner Stone
@Steeplejack (phone): It’s a killer question for Trump though. He has no idea what to say or how to answer.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Chris: Take care of yourself, it lasts about a week.
Adam L Silverman
@debit: I’ve got that in kettle corn and Chicago mix. I’m just watching to see if he goes full WWE and takes a chair or stool to her.
Baud
Good answer from Hillary!
debit
Oh dear god. He’s butthurt about Justice Ginsberg. Ginsburg? Eh, whatevs.
dmsilev
OK, so Trump is aggrieved because Justice Ginsburg called him a twit.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Corner Stone:
As he is proving right now.
Helen
LOL Trump thinks SC question is about him.
Major Major Major Major
We need a Supreme Court that is going to uphold the second amendment, and all amendments but also the second amendment
Bill E Pilgrim
He’s whining already.
Checking my watch.
Wow. Seconds into it.
@Helen: Exactly. “You’re so vain” should start playing in the background.
Corner Stone
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: He’s a smarmy git. If I may para a beloved universally trusted straight shooter of a commenter here.
Yet another jeff
Small replica of the 2nd Amendment?
redshirt
No sniffling yet.
Mary G
Hillary hit the Supreme Court question out of the park. Trump complains about RBG dissing him. He has taken some downers and can hardly keep his eyes open.
BillinGlendaleCA
Trump is low energy, SAD.
@redshirt: I noticed that as well as him being low energy.
hovercraft
RBG apologizing to him is his answer to how he sees the supreme court? Protect the 2nd amendment. rambling. word salad.
Baud
Rambling.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Trump: Supreme Court? It’s all about what Notorious RBG said about ME.
Omnes Omnibus
Is he on horse tranqs?
Durindal
No handshake. Upset about ginseng. Sheez
Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)
Shorter Hillary on 1st Question: “The Constitution is not a suicide pact and corporations aren’t people”.
Larkspur
absolute siege against 2d amendment. Poor orange guy should have rested. He has a cold (like me). Sad.
Chris
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Thanks. It’ll pass.
As, I trust, will Donald J. Trump.
Toni Peluso
how the fuck! is the 2nd amendment under siege? I guess mass shootings everyday need to mow down more people.
different-church-lady
Has he bitten the head off a live chicken yet?
p.a.
Little Lord Trumpleroy
khead
Wallace already bailing out Trump.
Bill E Pilgrim
Let me open it to “open discussion” wherein I blather for ten minutes before you can answer.
NotMax
@Thoughtful David
Love me some Blandy’s Rainwater Madeira. Quite affordable.
WaterGirl
They have definitely calibrated Trump’s drugs differently for this debate.
divF
@Mustang Bobby:
Yes, but will the audience award Hillary both ears and the tail ?
Durindal
Heartened by the diving into the court issued by the moderator actually.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Corner Stone:
Why you be so nice to him?
redshirt
@BillinGlendaleCA: It’s Presidential.
FlipYrWhig
@Adam L Silverman:
I believe condolences have already been expressed, in person and directly, no?
Corner Stone
Uh oh. Trump has a gun show loophole answer ready. Bet money on it.
khead
SECOND AMENDMENT DAMMIT!
TS
So all trump knows is the 2nd amendment – and Chris takes the conversation to that one and only amendment – talk about pandering to the fool
Bill E Pilgrim
“Ginsberg said some very inappropriate things about me…”
This was one second into his first answer, let the record show.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Flipped through MSNBC long enough to see Ivanka got Daddy to try a human skin tone tonight. That could be the sign of the post-Bannion, post-Conway final pivot!
She’s very relatable, you know.
Chris
@Larkspur:
Ay, my sympathies. Please get well soon.
dmsilev
Oh, for fuck’s sake. What sort of question was that? It’s going to be a long 90 minutes.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@p.a.:
?
misterpuff
SCOTUS word salad from drumpy. Low energy. dropping canned response.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: PCP?
jk
@different-church-lady:
First, he has to drop his pants.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Corner Stone
It was very strongly decided.
I’m sorry, wtf?
Thoughtful David
@NotMax:
Yup. That’s what I’ve got. Nice stuff, if you like that kind of thing. Which I do.
Durindal
Ok, getting a little bummed now. Wtf she is upset? That is a question?
Durindal
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: lol
debit
Trump cannot stop fidgeting. He keeps messing with his mic, grimacing, shifting his weight.
Adam L Silverman
@FlipYrWhig: Yes, however Mrs. Smith’s line is that they weren’t, that Secretary Clinton lied to her, etc, etc, etc…
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: He’s on a high dose of whatever it is.
lollipopguild
@debit: Trump should be banished into The Land of Eternal Butthurtness.
dmsilev
Let’s pause to remember that Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is still dead.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Corner Stone: I’m going out on a limb to say that Trump trying to look Presidential will = Trump looking nearly asleep the entire night.
khead
Chris Wallace: Hillary, don’t you want to repeal the second amendment? Mr. Trump, please comment.
PsiFighter37
Fuck Wallace. What a fucking hack.
Major Major Major Major
Chicago gun violence! Drink.
“Justice Scalia was SO involved”
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Why does Trump keep fiddling with the height/angle of his microphone?
BillinGlendaleCA
Chicago, DRINK!
redshirt
@dmsilev: She’s got this.
Baud
Apparently, the Constitution consists only of the Second Amendment.
Corner Stone
Bring on the sniffles!
Elizabelle
I hate gun humping.
The founders would think we are fucking nuts.
And Trump suavely brings up “Chicago.”
WaterGirl
@dmsilev: Amen.
Felonius Monk
@Major Major Major Major:
When you are a cream cheese zombie, you always look tired or more like semi-dead.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Chicago!
randy khan
The Heller discussion is not helping Trump because he sounds like he has no idea what he’s saying. And when Wallace asks him a question about his specific positions, he doesn’t discuss them at all.
Mary G
The NRA gave me their earliest endorsement!
Durindal
Let’s not drop the 2nd amendment china on the floor…
Omnes Omnibus
@BillinGlendaleCA: Ketamine.
dmsilev
Apparently “Go back to the states” is the abortion answer that Trump memorized.
debit
Hmm. Abortion. Will Trump answer?
ETA: Fuck yeah, Hillary.
PsiFighter37
Clinton getting pissed…she knows the fix is in.
Corner Stone
OH FUCK!!! ROE V WADE IS GONE!!!
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Oh boy abortion here we go
Baud
No difference between the parties!
different-church-lady
@Baud: and article twelve.
khead
Wallace: “Mr. Trump, you are pro life”.
scuffletuffle
Shit, one glass of wine down already, stop sniffing Donald!
Durindal
God , he really wants to interrupt… How long can he hold out?
randy khan
And now on Roe v. Wade, he won’t say that he wants them to overturn it. I wonder how the actual anti-abortion activists feel about that.
And Hillary picks right up on the states point that Trump made to say that the states are trouble on this issue.
piratedan
we have sinus medication overdose Trump thus far
Mary G
Hillary lowers the boom. Strong defense of Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood.
Elie
Trump is low energy. Sad!
Chris
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
Yeah. “America’s toughest gun laws.” The ultimate “world’s tallest midget” moment.
piratedan
wow, Faux News on Abortion framing, awesome
Corner Stone
The fetus does not have any constitutional rights, Chris. GFY
Elizabelle
I am so sick of guns and abortion.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Durindal:
Trout mouth.
Baud
You go, girl President!
eric
it is almost as if Wallace thought to himself, how can i lock in the gender gap and get millenials all in for Hillary? or maybe that is just the outcome of what he attempted and not what was in his head.
Corner Stone
@randy khan:
He did say it. He said when he appoints 2 or 3 justices that is what *will* happen.
randy khan
@dmsilev:
Indeed. He has about 4 or 5 things a debate he has memorized. When he runs out of memorized things, that’s when he goes off the rails.
debit
Trump: Fuck the woman’s health, it’s not okay with me!
rikyrah
@dmsilev:
Yes… He is. A very positive thing.
Durindal
Rip the baby out. Jeebus. Hillary SMASH.
Larkspur
Good work by Hillary on “partial birth” nonsense. God Trump is a monster.
Mary G
Whip the baby out of the womb!
divF
@Elizabelle:
Yes, but this is the only way to make sure the base understands that the election is about the USSC. Has nothing to do with Trump, it is for the Senate races.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Adam L Silverman: I thought Mrs Smith’s line was that HRC said at the return ceremony that the koran-burning video was the cause of the attack, and others present say she never said that, and IIRC at least according to the long NYT article I read the it was publish more than three years ago (again, IIRC), the attackers did say they used the confusion caused by the video to decide the timing of the attack.
I don’t follow it closely but most of the professional Republicans’ outrage about “Bengazi” seems to hinge on that video, while your average mouth-breather on twitter, talk radio and Trump rallies still think the ‘stand down order’ was a real thing that happened.
Corner Stone
A little anger now from the Secretary. Delicious.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
“Scare rhetoric.” Thank you, Hillary.
khead
Chris Wallace: Why do you want to let the sluts abort in the last month?
amk
so far same old rethug wedges issues – gunz, abortion, . nice job, pox news
hovercraft
Forced abortions in China, forced births in Romania. Nice one.
randy khan
@Corner Stone:
But he actually didn’t say he *wanted* them to do it, in response to a direct question on the point. He just said it “would happen.” I thought that was curious.
I have to say it’s surprisingly substantive so far.
Baud
Fuck Chris Wallace.
misterpuff
This is fucking awesome. Donald goes extreme pro-life, using partial birth abortion caricatures. Get those ladies drumpy.
MomSense
@piratedan:
Cocaine with a NyQuil chaser?
Mary G
She is winning this and being passionate, which is unusual for her.
Keith P.
Hillary is as strong on the abortion issue as anything I’ve ever seen her talk on. She owned Trump on that one.
Chris
@dmsilev:
There was a pretty good moment in one of the Tom Clancy novels where a new President Jack Ryan gives basically that answer to the abortion question. His chief of staff tears him a new asshole and points out that his answer only pisses off both sides.
dmsilev
Can we build a wall around Trump’s mouth?
khead
Chris Wallace: Why is Hillary for weak borders?
Durindal
Build the wall us a plan but Hillary does not have one? What? What is he going on about? Check :use women as props.
piratedan
secure our southern border.. yeah Chris, there are three mexican mechanized armored divisions ready to invade… what a fucker… welcome to faux news framing 101
Bill E Pilgrim
Without the red meat rile the base Jerry Springer show thing, he’s got nothing. A total zero.
amk
eric
@Mary G: because the majority of America is with her on the second amendment and Roe. that is what the Right does not get.
Larkspur
Oh yeah, I’m having a baby next week. Nah. I changed my mind. Rip it out! What a cold idiot.
WarMunchkin
Wallace is a prick using right wing framing for everything, but I can’t deny he’s putting the focus on issues.
hovercraft
1st sniff.
BillinGlendaleCA
Sniffle’s back!
Yet another jeff
Yeah…people ever get abortions the day before their fucking due date.
PsiFighter37
Sniffles kicking in.
Steeplejack (phone)
Heroin pouring across the border from Mexico directly into New Hampshire, apparently.
Gin & Tonic
Snorting again.
debit
Bad hombres. Jesus.
NotMax
ICE did NOT endorse anyone, you carotene gasbag. One of the unions did.
Elie
Trump is slow and dull.. low energy — no edge…
Will be interesting to see if he can keep it up..
Baud
We’ll leave the good drug lords alone.
Calouste
@Major Major Major Major: Yeah, PaddyPower is in the habit of paying out early. I guess they think the free publicity they get is more than worth the money they risk for the odd occasion they get it wrong. I don’t think there is that much money in political betting in the UK & Ireland compared to sports, so they don’t stand to lose much, but it’s a high profile bet, so likely to get them in the news.
khead
Bad hombres!
reality-based (the original, not the troll)
@BillinGlendaleCA: re low energy –
My 93 year old mom – who’s early stage Dementia has NOT been helped by watching Trump all these months – just turned and said “He seems DRUGGED! Did they put him on something? ”
even the whining is at a lower volume than ususal
Bill E Pilgrim
@misterpuff: And she framed it as him going pro-big government. That was a thing of beauty.
Omnes Omnibus
Bad hombres?
dmsilev
This is like watching some aged rocker being called upon by a dwindling crowd of his fans to play some of his old classics that made him a star thirty years ago.
Betty Cracker
Bad ombres! ?
Baud
@WarMunchkin: Agree.
Durindal
BAD BAD PEOPLE. SECURE PEOPLE. Trump presents no plan for how this works but let’s not follow up on that.
Steeplejack (phone)
First Trump sniff that I heard.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Trump, you ignorant slut. It wasn’t ICE that fucking endorsed you, it was a union or border agents’ organization.
SNIFF.
Quit fucking lying.
Jeffro
@BillinGlendaleCA: yeah but he’s fat, slow, and scared of Hillz
JGabriel
Trump:
Everybody drink!
lamh36
I really am trying to follow along, but ugh I’m having a hard time…
So let me see…Chris Wallace is choosing questions and twisting them in the most Faux News-lite way…surprise surprise
BTW, Sniffing is Trump’s tell…it means he is actively lying or he’s bout to begin lying!
PsiFighter37
Trump just said ‘bad hombres’. Heading towards 0% on that Latino vote…
ChiGail
First snort at 21.44.
randy khan
“Bad hombres.” Has the last Hispanic voter moved to Hillary yet?
Yet another jeff
Bad hombres!
Tranks are wearing off…it’s showtime!!
piratedan
@MomSense: was thinking sudafed with downers
Gin & Tonic
@Steeplejack (phone): And here I thought it borders on Mass.
debbie
If we’re going to deport immigrants because they are criminals and rapists, shouldn’t we also deport U.S citizens who are criminals and rapists? Bad guys are bad guys after all.
First sniffs!
Run, Lillian!
So basically the point of the Faux news debate is to bring disaffected republicans home by framing Hillary as a flaming liberal: she’ll take your guns and kill your fetuses. And hey, Donald isn’t so bad and he can’t grope you if we keep him drugged. Why does Fox get a debate again?
hovercraft
@WarMunchkin:
He’s always like that, every time he’s interviewed Obama I want to throw something.
ChiGail
OOps. Late to game. Go Cubs!
Corner Stone
Ooooo, a little not so subtle bait there!
rikyrah
Come on, grown up Tracy Flick. Just 90 more minutes. You got this.
Another Scott
“He choked!”
Hehe.
Cheers,
Scott.
Durindal
@Steeplejack (phone): yep. Truckloads. Try addressing why the abuse has become a problem. Analyze opiate prescription abuse. Economic factors. Christ. Yes I’m ranting.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Betty Cracker: Bad omlets?
khead
Taunted him on the Mexico meeting…… and NOW we are off!
Edit: Wallace cut him off and redirected to Clinton.
WaterGirl
@lamh36:
I thought breathing was Trump’s tell that he is/was/will be lying?
Theron Ware
@Mustang Bobby:
amk
@Run, Lillian!: yup, that’s about it.
Joel
@Calouste: Paying out early also means that you don’t take on any more bets on that side. In other words, you can stanch the bleeding that way.
Larkspur
Kind of good that Hillary is re-using the “ripping people” imagery in re immigration. She’s doing well.
randy khan
“A very nice meeting with the President of Mexico.” In his dreams!
Anne Laurie
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
“DON’T SNIFF INTO YOUR GODDAMNED MIC AGAIN, DONALD! DO THIS ONE THING!”
debit
He went to Mexico and choked and then went on a Twitter war. Hah! Said with so much disdain.
dmsilev
Interrupting Trump is back. I guess the tranqs have worn off.
Jeffro
Notice we have started off with three straight Republican red meat topics?
Mary G
Asked about the wall, he wakes up and spews his word salad. We’ve got some bad hombres coming in. Hillary is really sharp, she’s saying she’s for border security. Donald went to Mexico and choked. Now he’s really getting riled up.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Steeplejack (phone):
FTFY
PsiFighter37
‘2006, or thereabouts’.
What an idiot.
Chris
“Bad drug dealers.” There are good drug dealers?
Omnes Omnibus
She called him out for choking when meeting the Mexican president. And twitter mocked him.
Larkspur
NAFTA worse than Munich!
Durindal
@Run, Lillian!: that does seem to be what is going on Sad!
lamh36
So Hilz is going for it tonight after all huh…Come on Hilz
FINISH HIM!
Baud
@Jeffro: Yep. Hillary’s doing great though.
psycholinguist
yep, “he choked” that’ll leave a mark
Another Scott
“He knows a lot about this!”
Hehe.
Cheers,
Scott.
piratedan
and she just ate his lunch on unddocumented workers
dmsilev
Oh. Slap.
And what’s with Trump’s lake of intonation?
hovercraft
Nice shot you used illegal workers to build Trump Tower
Durindal
Oooo… Illegal workers not paid by Trump. BOOM.
JPL
President Obama deported people is his answer.. wow
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Anne Laurie:
You had ONE JOB.
Mary G
Bigly! Drink.
Helen
BIGLY!!!! DRINK!!!
seaboogie
It always happens at 20 minutes in…..go Hillary!
Corner Stone
They have tranqed the absolute fuck out of Trump. That’s at least 3 times she called him a cowardly putz and he hasn’t jumped on it yet.
PsiFighter37
Bigly…DRINK!
Surprised he hasn’t gotten baited by his hiring of undocumented workers yet.
Another Scott
“Biglig!” “Biglig!”
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
“Bigly.”
What a maroon.
dmsilev
Does Trump realize that Obama isn’t on the ballot?
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
That’s what happened, bigly.
amk
obama – there you go again.
debit
27 minutes and he’s melting down. Tranqs wearing off?
Elie
She’s talking — she’s confident and SHE IS MADAM PRESIDENT!
Now he is saying Obama has been deporting people in “uge” amounts. Isn’t that the opposite argument he has been making? He is trying to plough the field from another direction?
psycholinguist
oh lord, she is cutting him to shreds, and now he’s arguing that Obama is too tough on immigrants. what the holy hell
Corner Stone
Wikileaks!!
amk
wikileaks – fuck you, chris.
Helen
@Mary G: I owe you a coke!
Yet another jeff
So…Mexican rapists are taking away Trump jobs?
Xantar
Damn you people are fast! I was about to post a drink for “Bigly”.
piratedan
wiki leaks ty Chris, here’s your envelope
khead
“Open borders speech” for “Which you were paid $225K”
Hack, hack, hack
randy khan
Wallace’s framing is pretty obvious. He probably needs to be more subtly.
Interesting pivot by Clinton to Wikileaks.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Wikifuckingleaks.
Larkspur
Oh I’m gonna spank you Mr. Wallace, you just showed yourself completely.
Elie
She got ’em on the WikiLeaks — fucking Russian sympathizer Chris Wallace. She nailed this…
Bill E Pilgrim
“the WIKI leaks”
And Trump thanks the FOX anchor for being from FOX. So much for fair and balanced, it’s now officially a right wing hit job. And she’s still killing it.
psycholinguist
and the smirking starts, dandy don just can’t help it
Durindal
Damn. Russian connection brought up.Nice.
amk
go hillz. she nails the russian connection.
Chris
Is “bigly” a New Yorkism, or is it just this dude?
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
I cannot stand the way Trump is fiddling with his mic. It’s almost worse than the sniffing.
gogol's wife
@Chris:
It is not a New Yorkism.
Durindal
Jeebus. He’s just ranting now.
TS
Can’t watch – there are 2 people on this stage against Sec Clinton
Another Scott
“Radical Islamic Terrorism!”
Hillary should just go home now, Donnie won. Amirite?
Cheers,
Scott.
Elie
Trump just fucked himself further by changing the topic back to open borders. He doesn’t seem to track things well…
Trump is taking Putin’s point of view!
Adam L Silverman
@Chris: He’s saying big league but swallows the “gue” so it comes out sounding bigly.
Omnes Omnibus
Trump, you are a fucking coward. Jebus.
Old Dan and Little Anne
Wind him up and watch him go.
cckids
“RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM”!! Magic words invoked.
Keith P.
Uppers are kicking in for Donald.
amk
nukular warheads. drink.
dmsilev
“You’re the puppet”. Whatever, Donald.
Durindal
Puppet. Wow.
Baud
Nuke gap!
piratedan
did he just state the Putin has been building more nuclear weapons
Omnes Omnibus
Puppet!
Corner Stone
OOOOOO FUCK!!!!
THERE IT GOES!!!
BOOOOMMMM!!!!
MomSense
Ok we’re on. He’s turning purple.
Helen
@Chris: I’m a New Yorker. It’s just Trump.
randy khan
Trump’s Putin response – made of his own volition – was complete word salad.
Another Scott
“He’d rather have a puppet!”
“No, you are!!11”
Oooh. That hurt.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@TS: She can take them, she’s good in a melee!
WaterGirl
Isn’t this about when Trump’s drugs seemed to wear off during debate #2? Yeah, I know, those seemed to be uppers and these seem to be downers, but still the timing is similar.
Elie
Whip this boy! He (Putin) would rather have a puppet in office”
Woof!
Mary G
She’s got him drinking water and babbling.
redshirt
Great stuff about Russia, finally!
debit
No, YOU’RE the puppet!! And also a big poopyhead!
amk
she is killing it on the russian espionage
hovercraft
Tranqs are gone, he’s losing it.
Putin’s Puppet, ouch
Adam L Silverman
@Another Scott: Everybody in Mosul just disappeared!//
Chris
@Adam L Silverman:
Ohhhhhh. Okay. Thanks.
Bill E Pilgrim
Okay he’s back to debate #2. Obnoxious clown.
He just said that Putin hates her, followed by “you’re the puppet!”
Right, that makes sense, Donald.
Mandalay
This debate is so much better simply because the audience has been ordered to STFU. And Chris Wallace is controlling things far better than previous hosts.
Corner Stone
MOTHER OF GOD!!
BillinGlendaleCA
OMG.
JGabriel
Chris:
No, it’s just Trump. Technically, it follows English word formation rules, but it still sounds fucking stupid, particularly in combination with his mangled grammar.
dmsilev
Trump Angry! Trump Smash!
Steeplejack (phone)
@Joel:
Well played on stanch, by the way.
Durindal
How did we get to espionage? I’m so confused. Seeing the attack lines now.
This isn’t a debate. It’s Fox and enemies.
Larkspur
This is so bizarre. PUPPET! Smile Time. Gonna rip him a new puppet hole.
scuffletuffle
Oh fuck, at this rate I’m gonna pass out before half-time. Stop sniffing, Donald!
amk
you would rather believe vlad than our own intelligence people. boom.
psycholinguist
uh uh, i know you are, but what am I snappy comeback trump. she’s managing to turn the Wikileaks into a toxic topic. Damn, she’s good
cckids
Again, Trump is standing up for Putin & Russia. WTF.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Oh my god. She’s just punching him in the face over and over. I feel quite aroused.
randy khan
The dismissive tone from Trump is pretty amazing.
And now Chris (“I’m no fact checker”) Wallace is contradicting Trump on the intelligence agencies and Wikileaks.
Steeplejack (phone)
Matthews and Trump sputtering over each other! It’s out of control.
MomSense
I don’t know Putin.
misterpuff
Nuclear word salad! Drumpy sputtering…..Putin attacks from Hils getting under The Donalds skin! Now being dismissive,to her and moderator. More Putin love.
khead
She now has him arguing that Putin has outsmarted the US. Pretty funny.
Baud
Missile gap!
Kay
Ailes must be pleased Wallace started the debate with abortion.
Of course, Wallace was Ailes’ employee for 20 years so he has a blatant conflict and never should have accepted this job.
At some point will cable media accept some ordinary ethical boundaries, or is this 100% about what’s good for their careers?
PsiFighter37
Going down the tubes fast.
JGabriel
Trump doubling and tripling down on defending Putin over America’s leaders and intelligence agencies.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
This is why I came here. Shouting match between Trump and Wallace.
Bill E Pilgrim
@JGabriel: He’s saying “Big league”.
It’s funnier the other way, but it’s definitely big league, not bigly.
Keith P.
This is where the debate goes off the rails.
hovercraft
This is getting ugly, I see why he brought Sarah Palin tonight.
Omnes Omnibus
@dmsilev: Don’t you mean thrash?
Old Dan and Little Anne
It’s the first debate all over. But better.
Elie
He is such a moron. Anything about Russia or Putin is a loser for him… but he keeps going there. A complete idiot!
Adam L Silverman
@Chris: De nada!
debbie
@dmsilev:
I don’t think it’s drugs; I think it’s anger that gets him sniffling.
debit
You know, I have to say that she’s a master. He is totally playing her game right now.
Baud
@Keith P.: We were on the rails?
randy khan
It’s fascinating that when Trump interrupts Clinton to say “wrong,” he’s always lying.
psycholinguist
yeah! the wrong whisper is back!
Durindal
@hovercraft: Sarah Palin is there? I tuned in too late, I see.
khead
This debate ended the moment she taunted him over Putin. I thought the Mexico thing was bad but Trump really freaked after that.
Elie
Trump is so done… its fucking over…
Now he is talking about Japan…
randy khan
“I’m just quoting you”!!!!!!!
amk
dick is back to shaking down japaaan and nato for the protection money.
Immanentize
@JGabriel: actually, he is saying “Big League” slurred together. Equals
“Bigly”
gogol's wife
I’m not watching, but man, she is tough as nails.
misterpuff
Rude Donald is BAAAACK!
Yet another jeff
I totally deserve to have my long, artistic, and manly representation of endowment fingers on the red button.
Davis X. Machina
@Baud: Next up — Quemoy and Matsu.
Can’t lose with the classics.
dmsilev
Chris Wallace is out of his depth. He’s trying gotcha questions, and it just isn’t working.
redshirt
Clinton did a brilliant spin from Wikileaks to Russia. Just dominated.
cckids
“You’re not going to find a quote from me!”
Aaaaannd another ad is being made.
JGabriel
Wallace is aware he’s losing/lost controi of this debate.
PsiFighter37
This kind of talk is going to make him lose VA by more than 15 points at this rate. The military folks are going to scared shitless by what he is saying.
Corner Stone
She has nailed him to the fucking wall multiple times now. Why can’t he say he believes our intelligence agencies? Why can’t he say Russia and Putin should fuck off?
Adam L Silverman
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: Keep it in your pants sister!
Mary G
She can’t stop smiling while he’s talking. Then when it’s her turn, she’s deadly serious and cutting. And she’s calling him Donald at every opportunity. She might as well be poking him with a stick.
And the questions are super skewed, but it’s not helping the Donald.
randy khan
She actually mentioned climate change. Good for her.
amk
she is calm, smiling and effective. he is …. just losing it blabbering whatev comes to his addled mind.
gogol's wife
For once the BJ summaries and the Guardian summaries are agreeing with each other.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@dmsilev:
Is that anything like a Slough of Despond?
Corner Stone
@JGabriel:
Wallace was doing his very best to shut Trump down and get him to stop defending Russia/Putin but Trump was too angry to let himself be helped.
amk
@Mary G: Yup, fascinating to watch her switch the modes so easily.
eric
i disagree with the Wallace bashers, i think that these questions and answers can help her with the younguns, especially abortion. few young people understand the REAL existential threat to that right. now trump has made that VERY clear.
piratedan
i have a hard time believing Bernie could have handed him his entrails like this
cckids
@debbie:
Trump reminds me of my grandpa who had emphysema, he was always doing that to get enough air to continue talking. He may have some heart/lung issue.
debbie
@gogol’s wife:
She’s handling him like she handled that 11-hour Benghazi hearing.
NotMax
@Davis X. Machina
Remember the Maine!
54 40 or Fight!
Iowa Old Lady
She had him entirely on defense.
redshirt
@amk: She does have a runny nose though. I see the Drudge headline tonight: HILLARY SICK AGAIN!
Larkspur
@JGabriel: Yeah, he is NOT having fun. Believe me. Sad. I think my cold is getting cured. I’m certainly distracted from it.
Peale
@Kay: I wish I could say that cable news was the big loser in this election. But the pundits will just say that the real losers are “the American People”.
jk
@hovercraft:
He needs to be sedated.
randy khan
@Mary G:
The Donald thing clearly annoys him and she’s very disciplined about doing it. One of the reasons she’s almost the perfect candidate against him is that she will always stay on message.
Adam L Silverman
@JGabriel: Wallace thinks he’s refereeing a chess match. Clinton is playing go. Trump is playing chutes and ladders.
redshirt
LOL. Back to Nukes. Smart, Donald!
Mandalay
@gogol’s wife:
She sure is. One against one, with no audience whooping and hollering, is the perfect environment for her to beat the snot out Trump, and that is what is happening.
dmsilev
Oh God, he’s going back to extorting money from foreign powers again.
randy khan
Everything she would do is a disaster. Good to know that.
Oh, and he’s going back to the earlier question. Smart move. (Not.)
Bill E Pilgrim
“I’d like to start where we left off” came out as “I’d like to start off where we left”
Yow. He’s speed talking. Wow.
Durindal
Jeebus. Talking about his economic plan not. Christ moderator, do your job. . Pull him back to the topic.
Juju
Apparently Trump is using his second amendment rights on not his feet.
Davebo
He’s off the rails now. Repeating himself constantly on something that has absolutely nothing to do with the question.
Classic Don.
pamelabrown53
Spouse just came downstairs so happy. Says Hillz is killing it and that Trump isn’t even in her sphere and he’s FINISHED!
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: Exactly. That’s the real tell. When he gets upset he starts to sniff and huff.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Davis X. Machina:
1960. Good times, good times.
Omnes Omnibus
He does not understand the first thing about foreign policy.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Steeplejack (phone):
Wallace, not Matthews. I’m sputtering!
pluky
She’s controlling the terms of debate! The Donald begins each of his turns with a response to her statements.
JGabriel
Bill E Pilgrim:
Immanentize:
Jeepers. What a jackass. I swear I thought he’s been saying “bigly” all along.
DanR2
He’s toast. Lunacy.
psycholinguist
he cannot leave something alone, burning his time re-arguing the previous question (that he got his ass kicked on). He is completely off the rails.
Larkspur
This allies-NATO-riff is word salad. With Jello and celery and marshmallows.
seaboogie
Trump always has to go back to where he was challenged or outed. Loses the thread, but makes it all about him. Also, he’s sniffing to get air….
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@debbie:
Anger and anxiety.
jk
@Kay:
The Presidential Commission on Debates is a bunch of worthless hacks. I can’t imagine the League of Women Voters doing something as dumb as choosing a Fox News anchor to moderate a presidential debate.
Timurid
Sorry, Villagers, your white supremacist champion is broken into tiny pieces. Maybe I.G. Farben can send you a replacement…
pluky
Mentions Bill. Chum in the water.
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: Props for the go reference.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
@eric:
I agree. I suspect Wallace didn’t intend it, but he’s asked simple questions about abortion, immigration, Wikileaks, Russia, the economy, and people get to see Hilary’s straightforward sensible answers and minutes of Trump soiling himself.
Anne Laurie
New post up top, for faster reading.
Durindal
Completely content free… Why are his hands so pale and his face so orange.
Gee… Let’s not pursue Trump’s plan. Chris Chris Chris… On the other hand, it does give her more time.
debit
Awesome praise for Obama. She’s killing this.
wuzzat
@Corner Stone: Did you ever watch the episode of Murphy Brown where Wallace Shawn was running for office? If Trump starts badmouthing Russia now, Putin will disappear him.
Larkspur
“CORRECT.” “Thank you, sir.” Gah.
Larkspur
@Anne Laurie: Thx.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
You know, no matter how much I despise people, I try not to wish death or destruction on them. I try to avoid terms like DIAF and FOAD.
But Donald Trump? Fuck you very hard, and please just go FOADIAF.
seaboogie
Trump keeps adjusting his mic when Hillary is speaking….
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Thank you. I’ve used that in briefings before with different nation states instead of presidential candidates and moderators.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Larkspur:
So much for journalistic objectivity.
/joke
socraticsilence
Yay video!
jk
@Steeplejack (phone):
It’s bad enough that MSNBC pollutes the airwaves 5 nights a week between 7 and 8 pm with Chris Matthews. Hopefully, he’ll be persuaded to retire after Election Day.
Another Scott
“He shipped jobs to 12 countries! That’s Donald!”
“The hotel here was made with Chinese steel!”
Oooh.
Cheers,
Scott.
Steeplejack (phone)
Going upstairs. Follow me to freedom!
randy khan
Terrible jobs report = 156,000 new jobs. Just saying.
The whole thing about economic growth in India and China is so incredibly misleading.
Elie
“Donald has bought Chinese steel and aluminum”…
Whip that big flat ass of his
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Adam L Silverman:
Somewhere in there, there should be a “the only way to win is not to play” reference.
Immanentize
Badly
Elie
What is he talking about — 6 billion dollars disappeared? Whaaaa
Elie
Bam! He was being sued by the govt …
What were you doing when, Donald?
Percysowner
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: You are nicer than I am. I want him to have a mild stroke. Nothing that will kill him. One that will leave him with aphasia. He will never be able to say what he thinks again. Then I want his businesses to go bankrupt and for him to really lose all his money. But I’m not a nice person.
randy khan
I see that Hillz prepped on the 30 years experience point.
psycholinguist
don’t want me to undercut US steel? stop me. GREAT ANSWER!!11!1111!!!
One thing this Dork hasn’t figured out. Don’t ever, ever try the same line on this Lady twice. She will spank your ass.
WaterGirl
@randy khan: Hillary gave the verbal version of a chart of I have seen on the internet. She just mentioned a few of a dozen or two things in that chart.
RandomMonster
Her comparison of her experience with his was dynamite.
psycholinguist
if we ran this country like your company, we wouldn’t have a tax base come on Hills, it’s there for the taking
Yet another jeff
Both sides sexually assault!
randy khan
@Percysowner:
It’s not clear that he doesn’t have some kind of brain-speech issue already.
Steeplejack (phone)
Blog broke? Page upstairs won’t load.
Credenzal Jocularity
Lol, he went full O’Keefe!
You never go full O’Keefe…
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Perhaps.
NorthLeft12
Have any real Union leaders spoken publicly about the harm that a Republican agenda has done, and will do to unions?
I mean can someone explain how any union can support the Republicans? There are probably more than a few “Democrats” that unions should not support either.
randy khan
Okay, the women question is pretty brutal for Trump. (And the pivot to the supposed dirty tricks seems unlikely to work.)
And, of course, Clinton is loaded for bear on it, quoting his comments about their appearance (just after he says he never said anything).
jk
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
Trump is unprecedented in terms of his scumbaggery.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Steeplejack (phone):
Had to get to it through the front page. Go figure.
randy khan
So we’re back to “Nobody has more respect for women than I do.” Does anyone believe this?
Back to the emails, and he’s sniffing again.
RandomMonster
Audience can’t help but laugh at, “Nobody has more respect for women…”
Yet another jeff
Non fiction emails….
Can we refute how the accusations were debunked?
Yet another jeff
So…is it a problem if the Saudis end up funding AIDS prevention?
Keith P.
Ouch. Hillary’s really laying into Trump (again)
Davebo
Hillary got a bit wonkish there but in a fairly succinct way.
Then again, I read too much of this stuff.
Davebo
With the 1st and 3rd debates it’s clear Clinton has mastered the concept of rope-a-dope.
Wearing him out. She doesn’t even respond, just let him go!
Capri
Hilary is biting her cheeks to keep from laughing.