Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

Pessimism assures that nothing of any importance will change.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

Accountability, motherfuckers.

Bark louder, little dog.

This fight is for everything.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

Speaking of republicans, is there a way for a political party to declare intellectual bankruptcy?

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Authoritarian republicans are opposed to freedom for the rest of us.

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  2. 2.

    Mustang Bobby

    I will watch this with the same fascination I had in 1971 when I was in Toledo, Spain, and watched a bullfight: I’ve seen one and I never want to see it again.

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    Here we go.

    20 days and counting (including Election Day). There’s a light at the end of the tunnel, and I’m fairly sure it’s not an incoming train.

  4. 4.

    Trentrunner

    Remember: (Mostly male) anchors/pundits after the debate are likely to be fucking WRONG, and in Trump’s direction.

  6. 6.

    PsiFighter37

    GODDAMMIT WHERE IS MY FOOD. I just started my second beer and am already feeling a strong buzz.

    PF37 +2

  12. 12.

    Jeffro

    Only thing that concerns me is if Okeefe is present – that guy’s really unstable, unethical and attention seeking

  14. 14.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Baud: Oh there’s other possibilities other than voting.

    Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events.

    You can scarcely scatter and disperse an army which has been formed into order in the face of your heaviest fire; but if you could, how much would you gain by forcing the sentiment which created it out of the peaceful channel of the ballot-box, into some other channel? What would that other channel probably be?

    But you will break up the Union rather than submit to a denial of your Constitutional rights.

    — Abraham Lincoln; Copper Union Address, 27 FEB 1860

  21. 21.

    MomSense

    I could live stream the dog mayhem at my house. It would be like the debate version of the puppy ? bowl.

  28. 28.

    debbie

    Gotta love the Guardian:

    If you’ve come this far, really, you know pretty much what to expect. There’ll be a first question, then an attack, and a counter-attack, and suddenly we’ll be nipples-deep in a swamp of misdirection, denial, insult and despair. Thank you for joining us.

  29. 29.

    Run, Lillian!

    I got my ballot in the mail today! I live in CO which is doing statewide mail-in ballots this year. I used to live in OR which has been using this system for more than a decade and it is awesome. Can’t wait to drop my ballot off next week. We have a right to die initiative (modeled after Oregon) and I get to vote for universal healthcare. Hillary is going to win CO by 9+ points and Bennett has a cakewalk so no matter what happens tonight, I am have things to be pleased about. This is what I tell myself because I get so nervous.
    GO HILLS!!!

  40. 40.

    hovercraft

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Rachel had a segment on that last night, they started early last time, but it was just a couple of days, not three weeks before election day. That was part of why Trump was more vocal about Brexit yesterday, because the bookies were wrong about that.

  42. 42.

    MomSense

    @JordanRules:

    We’ve already had two lamps go down, chairs topple over, but I managed to save my beer from spilling at the last second. I swear I had a moment of Jason Bourne like reflexes.

  44. 44.

    Thoughtful David

    Sitting down with a nice glass of Rainwater*. Will not watch the debate, but will be here watching the liveblog.

    * from Ilha Madeira

  47. 47.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Jeffro: The two concerns need to be Pat Smith, who’s son died at Benghazi and the African American guy who was determined by DNA test in 1999 not to be Bill Clinton’s son. My understanding is that the intention is to force one or more confrontations between them, Secretary Clinton, and/or President Clinton. In the former case by having Trump push Clinton during the debate to apologize to Mrs. Smith. In the latter case its to push President Clinton during the debate to admit this guy is his son and acknowledge he’s part of the Clinton family.

  48. 48.

    dmsilev

    @redshirt: Well, his full title of “Sexual Predator and Business Con Man Trump” is a bit formal for the venue. “Mister” is an approved abbreviation.

  58. 58.

    Adam L Silverman

    @debit: I’ve got that in kettle corn and Chicago mix. I’m just watching to see if he goes full WWE and takes a chair or stool to her.

  65. 65.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    He’s whining already.

    Checking my watch.

    Wow. Seconds into it.

    @Helen: Exactly. “You’re so vain” should start playing in the background.

  69. 69.

    Mary G

    Hillary hit the Supreme Court question out of the park. Trump complains about RBG dissing him. He has taken some downers and can hardly keep his eyes open.

  71. 71.

    hovercraft

    RBG apologizing to him is his answer to how he sees the supreme court? Protect the 2nd amendment. rambling. word salad.

  73. 73.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Trump: Supreme Court? It’s all about what Notorious RBG said about ME.

  76. 76.

    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    Shorter Hillary on 1st Question: “The Constitution is not a suicide pact and corporations aren’t people”.

  77. 77.

    Larkspur

    absolute siege against 2d amendment. Poor orange guy should have rested. He has a cold (like me). Sad.

  79. 79.

    Toni Peluso

    how the fuck! is the 2nd amendment under siege? I guess mass shootings everyday need to mow down more people.

  83. 83.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    Let me open it to “open discussion” wherein I blather for ten minutes before you can answer.

  86. 86.

    divF

    @Mustang Bobby:

    I will watch this with the same fascination I had in 1971 when I was in Toledo, Spain, and watched a bullfight:

    Yes, but will the audience award Hillary both ears and the tail ?

  90. 90.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Adam L Silverman:

    In the former case by having Trump push Clinton during the debate to apologize to Mrs. Smith.

    I believe condolences have already been expressed, in person and directly, no?

  93. 93.

    TS

    So all trump knows is the 2nd amendment – and Chris takes the conversation to that one and only amendment – talk about pandering to the fool

  94. 94.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    “Ginsberg said some very inappropriate things about me…”

    This was one second into his first answer, let the record show.

  95. 95.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Flipped through MSNBC long enough to see Ivanka got Daddy to try a human skin tone tonight. That could be the sign of the post-Bannion, post-Conway final pivot!

    She’s very relatable, you know.

  102. 102.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Dan gagliardi ‏@ asimplemachine 1m1 minute ago
    If we all tweet at Donald Trump enough we can probably get him to check his phone while Hillary’s talking

  116. 116.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Why does Trump keep fiddling with the height/angle of his microphone?

  121. 121.

    Elizabelle

    I hate gun humping.

    The founders would think we are fucking nuts.

    And Trump suavely brings up “Chicago.”

  125. 125.

    randy khan

    The Heller discussion is not helping Trump because he sounds like he has no idea what he’s saying. And when Wallace asks him a question about his specific positions, he doesn’t discuss them at all.

  139. 139.

    randy khan

    And now on Roe v. Wade, he won’t say that he wants them to overturn it. I wonder how the actual anti-abortion activists feel about that.

    And Hillary picks right up on the states point that Trump made to say that the states are trouble on this issue.

  149. 149.

    eric

    it is almost as if Wallace thought to himself, how can i lock in the gender gap and get millenials all in for Hillary? or maybe that is just the outcome of what he attempted and not what was in his head.

  150. 150.

    Corner Stone

    @randy khan:

    And now on Roe v. Wade, he won’t say that he wants them to overturn it. I wonder how the actual anti-abortion activists feel about that.

    He did say it. He said when he appoints 2 or 3 justices that is what *will* happen.

  151. 151.

    randy khan

    @dmsilev:

    Apparently “Go back to the states” is the abortion answer that Trump memorized.

    Indeed. He has about 4 or 5 things a debate he has memorized. When he runs out of memorized things, that’s when he goes off the rails.

  157. 157.

    divF

    @Elizabelle:

    I am so sick of guns and abortion.

    Yes, but this is the only way to make sure the base understands that the election is about the USSC. Has nothing to do with Trump, it is for the Senate races.

  158. 158.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Adam L Silverman: I thought Mrs Smith’s line was that HRC said at the return ceremony that the koran-burning video was the cause of the attack, and others present say she never said that, and IIRC at least according to the long NYT article I read the it was publish more than three years ago (again, IIRC), the attackers did say they used the confusion caused by the video to decide the timing of the attack.

    I don’t follow it closely but most of the professional Republicans’ outrage about “Bengazi” seems to hinge on that video, while your average mouth-breather on twitter, talk radio and Trump rallies still think the ‘stand down order’ was a real thing that happened.

  164. 164.

    randy khan

    @Corner Stone:

    But he actually didn’t say he *wanted* them to do it, in response to a direct question on the point. He just said it “would happen.” I thought that was curious.

    I have to say it’s surprisingly substantive so far.

  166. 166.

    misterpuff

    This is fucking awesome. Donald goes extreme pro-life, using partial birth abortion caricatures. Get those ladies drumpy.

  169. 169.

    Keith P.

    Hillary is as strong on the abortion issue as anything I’ve ever seen her talk on. She owned Trump on that one.

  170. 170.

    Chris

    @dmsilev:

    There was a pretty good moment in one of the Tom Clancy novels where a new President Jack Ryan gives basically that answer to the abortion question. His chief of staff tears him a new asshole and points out that his answer only pisses off both sides.

  173. 173.

    Durindal

    Build the wall us a plan but Hillary does not have one? What? What is he going on about? Check :use women as props.

  174. 174.

    piratedan

    secure our southern border.. yeah Chris, there are three mexican mechanized armored divisions ready to invade… what a fucker… welcome to faux news framing 101

  175. 175.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    Without the red meat rile the base Jerry Springer show thing, he’s got nothing. A total zero.

  176. 176.

    amk

    Jon Lovett @jonlovett

    Hillary: here’s what I think about the Supreme Court
    Trump: here’s what the Supreme Court thinks about me

    6:40 AM – 20 Oct 2016

  178. 178.

    Larkspur

    Oh yeah, I’m having a baby next week. Nah. I changed my mind. Rip it out! What a cold idiot.

  179. 179.

    WarMunchkin

    Wallace is a prick using right wing framing for everything, but I can’t deny he’s putting the focus on issues.

  184. 184.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    Heroin pouring across the border from Mexico directly into New Hampshire, apparently.

  188. 188.

    Elie

    Trump is slow and dull.. low energy — no edge…

    Will be interesting to see if he can keep it up..

  190. 190.

    Calouste

    @Major Major Major Major: Yeah, PaddyPower is in the habit of paying out early. I guess they think the free publicity they get is more than worth the money they risk for the odd occasion they get it wrong. I don’t think there is that much money in political betting in the UK & Ireland compared to sports, so they don’t stand to lose much, but it’s a high profile bet, so likely to get them in the news.

  192. 192.

    reality-based (the original, not the troll)

    @BillinGlendaleCA: re low energy –

    My 93 year old mom – who’s early stage Dementia has NOT been helped by watching Trump all these months – just turned and said “He seems DRUGGED! Did they put him on something? ”

    even the whining is at a lower volume than ususal

  195. 195.

    dmsilev

    This is like watching some aged rocker being called upon by a dwindling crowd of his fans to play some of his old classics that made him a star thirty years ago.

  198. 198.

    Durindal

    BAD BAD PEOPLE. SECURE PEOPLE. Trump presents no plan for how this works but let’s not follow up on that.

  200. 200.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Trump, you ignorant slut. It wasn’t ICE that fucking endorsed you, it was a union or border agents’ organization.

    SNIFF.

    Quit fucking lying.

  203. 203.

    lamh36

    I really am trying to follow along, but ugh I’m having a hard time…

    So let me see…Chris Wallace is choosing questions and twisting them in the most Faux News-lite way…surprise surprise

    BTW, Sniffing is Trump’s tell…it means he is actively lying or he’s bout to begin lying!

  210. 210.

    debbie

    If we’re going to deport immigrants because they are criminals and rapists, shouldn’t we also deport U.S citizens who are criminals and rapists? Bad guys are bad guys after all.

    First sniffs!

  211. 211.

    Run, Lillian!

    So basically the point of the Faux news debate is to bring disaffected republicans home by framing Hillary as a flaming liberal: she’ll take your guns and kill your fetuses. And hey, Donald isn’t so bad and he can’t grope you if we keep him drugged. Why does Fox get a debate again?

  220. 220.

    WaterGirl

    @lamh36:

    BTW, Sniffing is Trump’s tell…it means he is actively lying or he’s bout to begin lying!

    I thought breathing was Trump’s tell that he is/was/will be lying?

  223. 223.

    Joel

    @Calouste: Paying out early also means that you don’t take on any more bets on that side. In other words, you can stanch the bleeding that way.

  224. 224.

    Larkspur

    Kind of good that Hillary is re-using the “ripping people” imagery in re immigration. She’s doing well.

  230. 230.

    Mary G

    Asked about the wall, he wakes up and spews his word salad. We’ve got some bad hombres coming in. Hillary is really sharp, she’s saying she’s for border security. Donald went to Mexico and choked. Now he’s really getting riled up.

  234. 234.

    Omnes Omnibus

    She called him out for choking when meeting the Mexican president. And twitter mocked him.

  250. 250.

    Corner Stone

    They have tranqed the absolute fuck out of Trump. That’s at least 3 times she called him a cowardly putz and he hasn’t jumped on it yet.

  251. 251.

    PsiFighter37

    Bigly…DRINK!

    Surprised he hasn’t gotten baited by his hiring of undocumented workers yet.

  258. 258.

    Elie

    She’s talking — she’s confident and SHE IS MADAM PRESIDENT!

    Now he is saying Obama has been deporting people in “uge” amounts. Isn’t that the opposite argument he has been making? He is trying to plough the field from another direction?

  259. 259.

    psycholinguist

    oh lord, she is cutting him to shreds, and now he’s arguing that Obama is too tough on immigrants. what the holy hell

  270. 270.

    Elie

    She got ’em on the WikiLeaks — fucking Russian sympathizer Chris Wallace. She nailed this…

  271. 271.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    “the WIKI leaks”

    And Trump thanks the FOX anchor for being from FOX. So much for fair and balanced, it’s now officially a right wing hit job. And she’s still killing it.

  276. 276.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    I cannot stand the way Trump is fiddling with his mic. It’s almost worse than the sniffing.

  280. 280.

    Another Scott

    “Radical Islamic Terrorism!”

    Hillary should just go home now, Donnie won. Amirite?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  281. 281.

    Elie

    Trump just fucked himself further by changing the topic back to open borders. He doesn’t seem to track things well…

    Trump is taking Putin’s point of view!

  297. 297.

    Another Scott

    “He’d rather have a puppet!”

    “No, you are!!11”

    Oooh. That hurt.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  299. 299.

    WaterGirl

    Isn’t this about when Trump’s drugs seemed to wear off during debate #2? Yeah, I know, those seemed to be uppers and these seem to be downers, but still the timing is similar.

  308. 308.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    Okay he’s back to debate #2. Obnoxious clown.

    He just said that Putin hates her, followed by “you’re the puppet!”

    Right, that makes sense, Donald.

  309. 309.

    Mandalay

    This debate is so much better simply because the audience has been ordered to STFU. And Chris Wallace is controlling things far better than previous hosts.

  312. 312.

    JGabriel

    Chris:

    Is “bigly” a New Yorkism, or is it just this dude?

    No, it’s just Trump. Technically, it follows English word formation rules, but it still sounds fucking stupid, particularly in combination with his mangled grammar.

  315. 315.

    Durindal

    How did we get to espionage? I’m so confused. Seeing the attack lines now.

    This isn’t a debate. It’s Fox and enemies.

  319. 319.

    psycholinguist

    uh uh, i know you are, but what am I snappy comeback trump. she’s managing to turn the Wikileaks into a toxic topic. Damn, she’s good

  322. 322.

    randy khan

    The dismissive tone from Trump is pretty amazing.

    And now Chris (“I’m no fact checker”) Wallace is contradicting Trump on the intelligence agencies and Wikileaks.

  325. 325.

    misterpuff

    Nuclear word salad! Drumpy sputtering…..Putin attacks from Hils getting under The Donalds skin! Now being dismissive,to her and moderator. More Putin love.

  328. 328.

    Kay

    Ailes must be pleased Wallace started the debate with abortion.

    Of course, Wallace was Ailes’ employee for 20 years so he has a blatant conflict and never should have accepted this job.

    At some point will cable media accept some ordinary ethical boundaries, or is this 100% about what’s good for their careers?

  330. 330.

    JGabriel

    Trump doubling and tripling down on defending Putin over America’s leaders and intelligence agencies.

  331. 331.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    This is why I came here. Shouting match between Trump and Wallace.

  337. 337.

    Elie

    He is such a moron. Anything about Russia or Putin is a loser for him… but he keeps going there. A complete idiot!

  345. 345.

    khead

    This debate ended the moment she taunted him over Putin. I thought the Mexico thing was bad but Trump really freaked after that.

  352. 352.

    Yet another jeff

    I totally deserve to have my long, artistic, and manly representation of endowment fingers on the red button.

  354. 354.

    dmsilev

    Chris Wallace is out of his depth. He’s trying gotcha questions, and it just isn’t working.

  358. 358.

    PsiFighter37

    This kind of talk is going to make him lose VA by more than 15 points at this rate. The military folks are going to scared shitless by what he is saying.

  359. 359.

    Corner Stone

    She has nailed him to the fucking wall multiple times now. Why can’t he say he believes our intelligence agencies? Why can’t he say Russia and Putin should fuck off?

  361. 361.

    Mary G

    She can’t stop smiling while he’s talking. Then when it’s her turn, she’s deadly serious and cutting. And she’s calling him Donald at every opportunity. She might as well be poking him with a stick.

    And the questions are super skewed, but it’s not helping the Donald.

  363. 363.

    amk

    she is calm, smiling and effective. he is …. just losing it blabbering whatev comes to his addled mind.

  365. 365.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @dmsilev:

    And what’s with Trump’s lake of intonation?

    Is that anything like a Slough of Despond?

  366. 366.

    Corner Stone

    @JGabriel:

    Wallace is aware he’s losing/lost controi of this debate.

    Wallace was doing his very best to shut Trump down and get him to stop defending Russia/Putin but Trump was too angry to let himself be helped.

  368. 368.

    eric

    i disagree with the Wallace bashers, i think that these questions and answers can help her with the younguns, especially abortion. few young people understand the REAL existential threat to that right. now trump has made that VERY clear.

  370. 370.

    cckids

    @debbie:

    I don’t think it’s drugs; I think it’s anger that gets him sniffling.

    Trump reminds me of my grandpa who had emphysema, he was always doing that to get enough air to continue talking. He may have some heart/lung issue.

  376. 376.

    Peale

    @Kay: I wish I could say that cable news was the big loser in this election. But the pundits will just say that the real losers are “the American People”.

  378. 378.

    randy khan

    @Mary G:

    The Donald thing clearly annoys him and she’s very disciplined about doing it. One of the reasons she’s almost the perfect candidate against him is that she will always stay on message.

  381. 381.

    Mandalay

    @gogol’s wife:

    I’m not watching, but man, she is tough as nails.

    She sure is. One against one, with no audience whooping and hollering, is the perfect environment for her to beat the snot out Trump, and that is what is happening.

  384. 384.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    “I’d like to start where we left off” came out as “I’d like to start off where we left”

    Yow. He’s speed talking. Wow.

  385. 385.

    Durindal

    Jeebus. Talking about his economic plan not. Christ moderator, do your job. . Pull him back to the topic.

  387. 387.

    Davebo

    He’s off the rails now. Repeating himself constantly on something that has absolutely nothing to do with the question.

    Classic Don.

  388. 388.

    pamelabrown53

    Spouse just came downstairs so happy. Says Hillz is killing it and that Trump isn’t even in her sphere and he’s FINISHED!

  393. 393.

    pluky

    She’s controlling the terms of debate! The Donald begins each of his turns with a response to her statements.

  394. 394.

    JGabriel

    Bill E Pilgrim:

    @JGabriel: He’s saying “Big league”.

    Immanentize:

    @JGabriel: actually, he is saying “Big League” slurred together. Equals “Bigly”

    Jeepers. What a jackass. I swear I thought he’s been saying “bigly” all along.

  396. 396.

    psycholinguist

    he cannot leave something alone, burning his time re-arguing the previous question (that he got his ass kicked on). He is completely off the rails.

  398. 398.

    seaboogie

    Trump always has to go back to where he was challenged or outed. Loses the thread, but makes it all about him. Also, he’s sniffing to get air….

  400. 400.

    jk

    @Kay:

    The Presidential Commission on Debates is a bunch of worthless hacks. I can’t imagine the League of Women Voters doing something as dumb as choosing a Fox News anchor to moderate a presidential debate.

  401. 401.

    Timurid

    Sorry, Villagers, your white supremacist champion is broken into tiny pieces. Maybe I.G. Farben can send you a replacement…

  404. 404.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    @eric:

    I agree. I suspect Wallace didn’t intend it, but he’s asked simple questions about abortion, immigration, Wikileaks, Russia, the economy, and people get to see Hilary’s straightforward sensible answers and minutes of Trump soiling himself.

  406. 406.

    Durindal

    Completely content free… Why are his hands so pale and his face so orange.

    Gee… Let’s not pursue Trump’s plan. Chris Chris Chris… On the other hand, it does give her more time.

  408. 408.

    wuzzat

    @Corner Stone: Did you ever watch the episode of Murphy Brown where Wallace Shawn was running for office? If Trump starts badmouthing Russia now, Putin will disappear him.

  411. 411.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    You know, no matter how much I despise people, I try not to wish death or destruction on them. I try to avoid terms like DIAF and FOAD.

    But Donald Trump? Fuck you very hard, and please just go FOADIAF.

  413. 413.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Gin & Tonic: Thank you. I’ve used that in briefings before with different nation states instead of presidential candidates and moderators.

  417. 417.

    Another Scott

    “He shipped jobs to 12 countries! That’s Donald!”

    “The hotel here was made with Chinese steel!”

    Oooh.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  419. 419.

    randy khan

    Terrible jobs report = 156,000 new jobs. Just saying.

    The whole thing about economic growth in India and China is so incredibly misleading.

  421. 421.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Wallace thinks he’s refereeing a chess match. Clinton is playing go. Trump is playing chutes and ladders.

    Somewhere in there, there should be a “the only way to win is not to play” reference.

  425. 425.

    Percysowner

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: You are nicer than I am. I want him to have a mild stroke. Nothing that will kill him. One that will leave him with aphasia. He will never be able to say what he thinks again. Then I want his businesses to go bankrupt and for him to really lose all his money. But I’m not a nice person.

  427. 427.

    psycholinguist

    don’t want me to undercut US steel? stop me. GREAT ANSWER!!11!1111!!!

    One thing this Dork hasn’t figured out. Don’t ever, ever try the same line on this Lady twice. She will spank your ass.

  428. 428.

    WaterGirl

    @randy khan: Hillary gave the verbal version of a chart of I have seen on the internet. She just mentioned a few of a dozen or two things in that chart.

  430. 430.

    psycholinguist

    if we ran this country like your company, we wouldn’t have a tax base come on Hills, it’s there for the taking

  432. 432.

    randy khan

    @Percysowner:

    I want him to have a mild stroke. Nothing that will kill him. One that will leave him with aphasia. He will never be able to say what he thinks again.

    It’s not clear that he doesn’t have some kind of brain-speech issue already.

  436. 436.

    NorthLeft12

    Have any real Union leaders spoken publicly about the harm that a Republican agenda has done, and will do to unions?
    I mean can someone explain how any union can support the Republicans? There are probably more than a few “Democrats” that unions should not support either.

  437. 437.

    randy khan

    Okay, the women question is pretty brutal for Trump. (And the pivot to the supposed dirty tricks seems unlikely to work.)

    And, of course, Clinton is loaded for bear on it, quoting his comments about their appearance (just after he says he never said anything).

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    randy khan

    So we’re back to “Nobody has more respect for women than I do.” Does anyone believe this?

    Back to the emails, and he’s sniffing again.

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    Davebo

    Hillary got a bit wonkish there but in a fairly succinct way.

    Then again, I read too much of this stuff.

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    Davebo

    With the 1st and 3rd debates it’s clear Clinton has mastered the concept of rope-a-dope.

    Wearing him out. She doesn’t even respond, just let him go!

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