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You are here: Home / Organizing & Resistance / Don't Mourn, Organize / Excellent Read: “Elizabeth Warren & Tracee Ellis Ross on the Road to Activism”

Excellent Read: “Elizabeth Warren & Tracee Ellis Ross on the Road to Activism”

by Anne Laurie|  October 19, 201611:14 am| 115 Comments

This post is in: Don't Mourn, Organize, Excellent Links, Warren for Senate 2012, Women's Rights Are Human Rights

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My favorite Senator has been rude to Trump again, in a Washington Post op-ed:

Cratering in the polls, besieged by sexual assault allegations and drowning in his own disgusting rhetoric, Donald Trump has been reduced to hollering that November’s election is “rigged” against him. His proof? It looks like he’s going to lose.

Senior Republican leaders are scrambling to distance themselves from this dangerous claim. But Trump’s argument didn’t spring from nowhere. It’s just one more symptom of a long-running effort by Republicans to delegitimize Democratic voters, appointees and leaders. For years, this disease has infected our politics. It cannot be cured until Republican leaders rethink their approach to modern politics…

For years, Republican leaders have pushed the lie that voter fraud is a huge issue. In such states as Kansas and North Carolina , and across the airwaves of right-wing talk radio and Fox News, Republican voters have been fed exaggerated and imagined stories about fraud. Interestingly, all that fraud seems to plague only urban neighborhoods, minority communities, college campuses and other places where large numbers of people might vote for Democrats. The purpose of this manufactured hysteria is obvious: to delegitimize Democratic voters and justify Republican efforts to suppress their votes…

… Which reminded me that I’ve been saving an NYTimes article, one of their Table for Three series, by Philip Galanes:

Tracee Ellis Ross may be working 14 hours a day in Los Angeles on her hit TV show, “black-ish.” “But when Elizabeth Warren says she’ll have dinner with you,” Ms. Ross said, walking into a suite at the Hay-Adams Hotel in Washington, “you get on a plane. I have a million questions for her.”

And from the moment Senator Warren entered the lobby, friendly to all but racewalking toward the elevator, she was happy to offer answers: breaking down complex problems into plain-spoken choices, engaging everyone in sight. When a woman on the elevator said, “You look familiar,” Ms. Warren introduced herself, shook her hand and asked how her evening was going…

Ms. Ross, 43, has also established herself as a powerful advocate, particularly for self-esteem among black girls in a series of TV specials, “Black Girls Rock,” and through social media. For eight seasons, beginning in 2000, she starred in the sitcom “Girlfriends,” for which she won two NAACP Image Awards.

But her greatest exposure and acclaim have come with her starring role on “black-ish,” about an extended African-American family… For her performance, Ms. Ross was nominated for an Emmy for lead actress in a comedy. She is the first African-American woman to be nominated in the category in 30 years, and only the fifth in Emmy history…

Philip Galanes: One reason you’re both such powerful advocates — for the middle class, for self-esteem — is that you’ve fused who you are with the issues you care about.

Elizabeth Warren: Well, I know who I am, and I know what I fight for. Whether we’re talking about making college a little more affordable — or health care or social security — I want to be as sharp as I can be because I know how tough things are. That’s my opportunity now.

PG: It reminds me of your great line: “I was brought up on the ragged edge of the middle class.” What made it “ragged”?

EW: Because it was so hard to hold on to. My mother clung to it — “We are middle class” — because our grasp was so tenuous. There were times we were and times we weren’t.

Tracee Ellis Ross: I feel like I’m on the inside for the first time. Inside the castle. I have an Emmy nomination! And I’ve been in this career a long time. I’m 43, not some ingénue who just stumbled into this. Much of my role has been as an advocate for self-esteem and humanity. The beauty of my work is that I get to unzip something that people are afraid to touch. To make them more comfortable in their own skin.

PG: Did that come from personal experience?

TER: I grew up on the ragged edge of self-acceptance, where I was holding on to it, but it was easy to fall off. But as I found my way inside myself, I’ve been able to accept my own hair, my own shape. And now I get to bring that to other people.

PG: It’s funny. When people hear you’re Diana Ross’s daughter, they probably start fantasizing about living in castles with Michael Jackson on speed dial. But when you were born, your mom was probably just 10 years from the ragged edge herself.

TER: They have fantasies about what’s happening in our world right now. But my mother is an international treasure, and royalty in the black community, because she did something that didn’t exist at a time when it didn’t happen. She paved her own road. And being her daughter, people loved me just because I was part of her. But from a very young age, I wanted to fill that space with something that was worthy of being looked at.

EW: I love that. You saw you had opportunity, but rather than just saying “Lucky me,” you said, “What can I do with it that expands opportunity for others?”…

TER: But it’s not just in politics. It’s everywhere. This “otherness” that’s all of a sudden part of our culture. People grabbing on to what’s theirs out of fear it might be taken away.

EW: I think it’s deliberately political. People across America now understand there’s a lot that’s broken. People feel like I did when I was 12 years old: “I’m about to lose the whole thing.” And they feel that way because it’s true. Millions of people were turned upside-down in the financial crash, and they can’t get a foothold. Young people with college debt are starting out 10 yards behind the starting line. And this is the Donald Trump moment. He says, “Blame the immigrants, blame women, blame people who have different religious beliefs than you, blame people who aren’t the same color as you.” Because if everyone turns on each other ——

TER: Then what?

EW: Then the same old system that keeps billionaires on top stays right where it is.

PG: But what does blaming do for the guy who’s about to lose his home? He still doesn’t get to keep it.

EW: It’s a zero-sum game. There’s one piece of bread here. And if you’ve got more, I’ve got less. But there’s no more bread. That was not America. We were building an America that said, “If we educate all our kids, we’ll actually make more.”

TER:
There’s enough sun for everyone…

Read the whole thing — both women are hard-headed, but determined optimistic about making the change they want to live. Good way to get centered, on a day when we probably need it!

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  1. 1.

    The Dangerman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:46 am

    I wouldn’t call it cratering; in a crater, daylight can be seen. Trump is spelunking at this point. Good riddance.

    Let’s see … Dodger game tonight or debate … Pondering, pondering…

  2. 2.

    Waldo

    October 19, 2016 at 11:46 am

    Not looking forward to tonight’s Clinton/Trump rematch, but I’d love to see Warren slap him around for 90 minutes. Guess I’ll have to settle for a Warren vs. Schilling lightweight bout.

  3. 3.

    burnspbesq

    October 19, 2016 at 11:50 am

    @The Dangerman:

    Dodger game tonight or debate

    Hobson’s choice, to be sure.

  4. 4.

    The Golux

    October 19, 2016 at 11:54 am

    @burnspbesq:

    I’ll play the part of the pedant: A Hobson’s choice is one in which only one thing is offered, i.e. take it or leave it.

  5. 5.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 11:54 am

    @burnspbesq: Or Fielder’s choice. Although I think his choice is only to watch.

  6. 6.

    JordanRules

    October 19, 2016 at 11:56 am

    Love both of these women! Thanks for sharing this piece AL.

  7. 7.

    Shell

    October 19, 2016 at 11:59 am

    Dammit, this debate can’t be over soon enough. The talking heads over at CNN spent 20 minutes arguing whether Trump and Clinton will shake hands. And WHAT WILL IT MEAN?? if they don’t or if they do……Sweet Jesus.

  8. 8.

    geg6

    October 19, 2016 at 11:59 am

    Of course, I love Senator Professor Warren. But can I just say how much I adore “blackish” and TER? The whole cast, really, but TER is simply great.

  9. 9.

    geg6

    October 19, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    @Shell:

    I am and always have been a major political junkie. But I have to say, this is the first time I’ll be happy to miss at least a large part of the debate because I will be at a local high school giving a financial aid night presentation. Usually, I would have done anything to avoid missing any of it, but I’ve had enough. I so admire the equanimity with which Hillary has managed her debate performances. But I just can’t sit through that asshole Trump lying and snorting and making faces tonight. I’m so ready for this election to be over so I don’t have to look at him every day anymore.

  10. 10.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 12:04 pm

    Nice conversation, thanks for the link AL.

  11. 11.

    burnspbesq

    October 19, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    @The Golux:

    Fine, then: Scylla and Charybdis.

  12. 12.

    retiredeng

    October 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    What seems like ages ago (in the late 80s) I was on a business trip and returning home to Boston on a flight from Los Angeles. I happened to have a seat next to Dianna Ross. I recognized her and struck up a conversation about music mostly. What struck me was how perfectly nice she was to talk with me, a young white man struggling to connect and not all that well. She was wonderfully tolerant of my somewhat gauche presence. I’ll never forget it.

  13. 13.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 19, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    The GOP needs to go the way of the NSDAP and the CPSU.

    Oblivion.

  14. 14.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    October 19, 2016 at 12:15 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    I’m hoping to attend an astronomy lecture, but the game would be my second choice. I’ll surf the web for post-debate wrap-up… I just want Trump to go awaaay now! I know Hillary is up by two touchdowns with two minutes to play, and I’m not worried it will all slip away; I’m just so ready for the crazed Trumpling rhetoric to end.

  15. 15.

    The Dangerman

    October 19, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    Butch?

    FWIW, I’m a Dodgers fan rooting for the Cubs. I’m tired of hearing about The Curse.

    Then again, if the Dodgers go to the WS, what a fitting end for Vin Scully.

    ETA: I still feel one more “you’re shitting me, right” October surprise coming. I don’t think the Access Hollywood thing was what I’ve been feeling. Taxes, maybe?

  16. 16.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    @Shell:
    It’s not enough that the post game is stupid and vapid, “everything he said was a lie but he said it forcefully, so he won”, nonsense, or she should have said and done this, the pre game is just brain numbing. She must “connect” with the American people, she must be less lawyerly, she must smile, she must not smile too much, she must not be shrill and angry, she must hit him when she has an opening, she must not be overly aggressive, she must not be too defensive. Thank god she has her team and her family to tell her to just be chill and she’s got this.
    You may ask why I watch all this shit? Because they set the tone of the coverage, and I need to know what the idiots who think they are the gatekeepers have to say. Fortunately for me and unfortunately for them, the voters have been forming their own opinions, last night Tweety was stratigizing with his panel on how Trump could get a more decisive victory this time and get momentum from it. You see Tweety knows that Trump won the second debate, it just wasn’t a knockout so the voters gave it to Clinton. Trump needs to get a knockout, no more split decisions.

  17. 17.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 19, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    @Waldo: It may take Schilling a while to realize that in a match with Warren, he’s the lightweight.

  18. 18.

    The Moar You Know

    October 19, 2016 at 12:17 pm

    Guess I’ll have to settle for a Warren vs. Schilling lightweight bout.

    @Waldo: Lightweight my ass. She may well be the smartest politician in America at the moment, and he appears to be one of the dumbest human beings alive. That’s going to be epic. I normally don’t enjoy matches where the superior talent just slaps around the inferior for 89 minutes before kicking them into a coma at the end, but I’d make an exception for that debate.

  19. 19.

    JanieM

    October 19, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    Lightweight my ass. She may well be the smartest politician in America at the moment, and he appears to be one of the dumbest human beings alive.

    QFT.

  20. 20.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    But she’s just a lightweight, he’s taken on real Indians, the Cleveland Indians, Pocahontas is no biggy.

  21. 21.

    gwangung

    October 19, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Classic battle of wits with an unarmed man.

    And I’m enough of a sadist to enjoy it.

  22. 22.

    ThresherK

    October 19, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    @geg6: I know Larry Wilmore has a hand in this show, and what I like that this show does and others do not do (well) are voiceover bits by Anthony Anderson. Narration* is usually not a good thing for comedy, but I hear little bits of Wilmore whenever it happens.

    *I’ve said for years that the future of TV comedy is “no laugh track, no live audience”. This might be an indicator of what can replace it, in the proper hands.

  23. 23.

    Brachiator

    October 19, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    @Shell:

    Dammit, this debate can’t be over soon enough. The talking heads over at CNN spent 20 minutes arguing whether Trump and Clinton will shake hands.

    Sounds like they are confusing the debate with last week’s SNL skit.

    Dopes.

  24. 24.

    Peale

    October 19, 2016 at 12:31 pm

    @The Dangerman: Hillary goes on stage in Ohio with an empty Christmas tree. Decorates it with bongs and dildos. Does something indescribably obscene on the stage. Ends up with only 272 EVs, but because it meant scarring Andrea Mitchell for the rest of her life, it is considered to be totally worth it.

  25. 25.

    Cacti

    October 19, 2016 at 12:32 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    I’m a Dodgers fan rooting for the Cubs. I’m tired of hearing about The Curse.

    I’m a Cardinals fan, so, obviously biased against the Cubs, but I’m ready to see them have a gut check. The media basically crowned them champs before spring training even started, and Joe Maddon hasn’t exactly discouraged them from it.

    This is their first true adversity of the season. Let’s see how they do.

  26. 26.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 12:35 pm

    A woman has come forward to say Bill Clinton groped her in 1980. So both sides you liberals!

  27. 27.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    @hovercraft:

    But she’s just a lightweight, he’s taken on real Indians, the Cleveland Indians, Pocahontas is no biggy.

    Once you’ve faced down Chief Wahoo, politics is a cakewalk.

  28. 28.

    Amir Khalid

    October 19, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Is this the same Curt Schilling who squandered millions in state money on a failed computer-games company?

  29. 29.

    bystander

    October 19, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    @germy: Obviously she just escaped the subterranean kidnap lair where Hillary had imprisoned her.

  30. 30.

    Amir Khalid

    October 19, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    @germy:
    Unless she’s saying that Hillary groped her too, I’d just ignore her.

  31. 31.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    October 19, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Well, to stick with the baseball theme, rhetorically and intellectually, Schilling will loft a hanging curve that EW will knock into the third deck. She will return fire with a 102 mph fastball just under the chin that’ll leave Schilling shivering in a puddle of his own urine.

  32. 32.

    The Dangerman

    October 19, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    @Cacti:

    Tonight may be their last chance; I’ve been watching Urias since A ball (Rancho Cucamonga Quakes!) and he’s a stud; when he’s on, his stuff is lights out. Still, only 20.

    Lose tonight and the Cubs will have to beat Kershaw, who had 2 months rest so he’s early season fresh. Good luck wth that necessity.

  33. 33.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Is it too late for herr drumpf to invite her to tonight’s debate? If Obama’s crank half-brother doesn’t rattle her, this new accuser certainly will.

  34. 34.

    Bruce K

    October 19, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    I once heard a description of a talented pitcher who said some incredibly stupid things: “he’s just a kid with lightning in his arm and sawdust in his head.”

    I think it was John Rocker, but it could just as easily apply to Curt Schilling, whose good deeds with regard to Lou Gehrig’s disease are now outweighed by his public transphobia and reactionary wingnuttery.

  35. 35.

    Brachiator

    October 19, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    That’s going to be epic. I normally don’t enjoy matches where the superior talent just slaps around the inferior for 89 minutes before kicking them into a coma at the end, but I’d make an exception for that debate.

    Presidential debates are not really about “who wins,” but who comes off looking presidential.

    I think that Wallace will try to help Trump look reasonable. One of the topics, immigration, was one of Trump’s key issues in trouncing the Republican candidates in the GOP primary, and he may use it to reinforce his base and to try to look reasonable to other voters. This is Trump’s last opportunity to look like something other than a fool on a national stage, and to try to repair the damage caused by all the revelations of his despicable behavior.

    I don’t think that Trump will be able to resist going after Clinton with ridiculous and pointless attack on Clinton (and what the hell is up with inviting Obama’s half brother). This debate might also see low ratings compared to the other two, if the nation has had all it can stomach of Trump. I know that I will probably skip it.

  36. 36.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    October 19, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    Schilling may stalk onto the stage like Nugent, but he’ll slither off like Emo Philips.

  37. 37.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 12:45 pm

    in NBC/WSJ poll, Obama job rating among those saying they voted early: 68% approve, 29% disapprove
    John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 18,

    in NBC/WSJ poll, groups giving Obama sub-40% job approval: white men, white Southern, white Catholic, rural
    John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 18,

    in NBC/WSJ poll, voters giving Obama 60%+ job approval: age 18-34, women under 50, under $30K income, non-whites, urban, Westerners
    John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 18,

    in NBC/WSJ poll, voters giving Obama 60%+ job approval: age 18-34, women under 50, under $30K income, non-whites, urban, Westerners
    John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 18,

    in NBC/WSJ poll, Obama job rating overall: 53% approve, 44% disapprove. among whites in union households, 44%-53%
    John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 18,

    EDIT: removed duplicate tweet

  38. 38.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 12:48 pm

    @Brachiator: I don’t know much about Wallace, other than he works for fox. Do some of the red meat eaters find him too liberal? I’ve seen clips where he seems to aggressively question republican candidates.

    I know he believes it isn’t his job to fact check. I’m wondering if his intention is to knock HRC down a peg, knock both candidates down, or fluff herr drumpf? Because I’m sure his intentions aren’t simply to be a neutral asker of questions.

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Is this the same Curt Schilling who squandered millions in state money on a failed computer-games company?

    One and the same. However, he squandered RI money but would be running for Senate from MA.

  40. 40.

    The Golux

    October 19, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    @Shell:

    The talking heads over at CNN spent 20 minutes arguing whether Trump and Clinton will shake hands.

    I’m hoping Clinton walks out and hands Trump a packet of TicTacs and a urine sample.

  41. 41.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 12:51 pm

    A tape surfaced of herr drumpf calling Condoleezza Rice a “bitch”.

    CNN asked Rice to comment on the “bitch” thing Tuesday. Rice simply wrote back,
    “Exactly. Can’t wait until November 9!”

  42. 42.

    Amir Khalid

    October 19, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I knew it! I just wasn’t sure which state’s money he’d wasted.

  43. 43.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 12:52 pm

    @The Golux: Tic Tacs floating in the urine? It could be installation art.

  44. 44.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 19, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    @The Golux: @burnspbesq: Yeah, this is more of a reverse Sophie’s choice.

  45. 45.

    trollhattan

    October 19, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    @The Moar You Know:
    Here’s hoping Scotty Brown lends Schilling his hotpants for the campaign. That way they’ll have two things in common.

  46. 46.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 12:58 pm

    @trollhattan: I wasn’t surprised when scotty brown threw his support behind the GOP nominee. He’s nothing if not predictable.

  47. 47.

    The Moar You Know

    October 19, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    I don’t think that Trump will be able to resist going after Clinton with ridiculous and pointless attack on Clinton (and what the hell is up with inviting Obama’s half brother).

    @Brachiator: A ridiculous and pointless attack on Obama. Twofer!

    If he had anything solid to run on, he would. He doesn’t. He never did. I bet most won’t watch tonight (I haven’t watched any of them, what’s the point? I ain’t changing my mind!)

    Now, all that being said, I am profoundly and eternally grateful to Trump for one thing, but it’s a big thing and we should all take a moment and acknowledge the favor he did the Republic before voting him into oblivion: he stood up in front of America AS A REPUBLICAN and told us all that Bush lied us into the Iraq war. Which is something that nobody in his party had been willing to do previously, and it’s something that needed to be said by a Republican. Dems have said it for years, but only other Dems listen to Dems. The Bushes aren’t coming back from that.

    So thank you, Donald Trump, and for this service to the nation I wish that your defeat be quick, total, and painless for you.

  48. 48.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Um, nobody even noticed. Fuck Trump.

  49. 49.

    Brachiator

    October 19, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    @germy:

    A woman has come forward to say Bill Clinton groped her in 1980.

    Doesn’t count unless Hillary glared at her in a “threatening way.”

  50. 50.

    Cacti

    October 19, 2016 at 1:08 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I think that Wallace will try to help Trump look reasonable. One of the topics, immigration, was one of Trump’s key issues in trouncing the Republican candidates in the GOP primary, and he may use it to reinforce his base and to try to look reasonable to other voters. This is Trump’s last opportunity to look like something other than a fool on a national stage, and to try to repair the damage caused by all the revelations of his despicable behavior.

    I don’t think that Trump will be able to resist going after Clinton with ridiculous and pointless attack on Clinton (and what the hell is up with inviting Obama’s half brother). This debate might also see low ratings compared to the other two, if the nation has had all it can stomach of Trump. I know that I will probably skip it.

    Trump’s goal heading into the debates was to look plausibly Presidential and convince fence sitters that he was up to the job. He blew that all to hell.

    Now he’s out to show that uppity b*tch who’s boss and put her in her place. Bad Donald will be unleashed and unhinged tonight.

  51. 51.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    I am profoundly and eternally grateful to Trump for one thing, but it’s a big thing and we should all take a moment and acknowledge the favor he did the Republic before voting him into oblivion: he stood up in front of America AS A REPUBLICAN and told us all that Bush lied us into the Iraq war. Which is something that nobody in his party had been willing to do previously, and it’s something that needed to be said by a Republican. Dems have said it for years, but only other Dems listen to Dems. The Bushes aren’t coming back from that.

    very true.

  52. 52.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    October 19, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Tell me you don’t long to see Curt in hot pants….

  53. 53.

    Brachiator

    October 19, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    RE: I don’t think that Trump will be able to resist going after Clinton with ridiculous and pointless attack on Clinton…

    hah! Yeah, I meant to reword this. Either way, Trump is ridiculous and his attack strategery stupid.

    Now, all that being said, I am profoundly and eternally grateful to Trump for one thing, but it’s a big thing and we should all take a moment and acknowledge the favor he did the Republic before voting him into oblivion: he stood up in front of America AS A REPUBLICAN and told us all that Bush lied us into the Iraq war. Which is something that nobody in his party had been willing to do previously, and it’s something that needed to be said by a Republican.

    The GOP is pretending that this never happened.

    Related to this, the NY Times has an oddly approving profile of Trump’s primary military advisor, ex Gen Flynn. From the article, you get the impression that he also opposed the Iraq war. The story soft peddles whatever led to his dismissal and is not very persuasive about what he sees in Trump. But it implies that he has been very influential in helping shape Trump’s views (if you want to call them that) on the Middle East.

    I watched a chunk of the first debate, an all of the second. That’s more than enough.

  54. 54.

    The Dangerman

    October 19, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    Hold it; Schilling is Curt Scilling? Good grief, what an asshole. He lost a shit ton on some gaming thing and he’s running for something? Peter’s Principle in action.

  55. 55.

    trollhattan

    October 19, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):
    Well….yes, if he’s accompanied by Sen. Liz in a mask holding a whip. “Dance, monkeyboy!”

  56. 56.

    yellowdog

    October 19, 2016 at 1:26 pm

    @Waldo: Would Schilling even win the primary?

  57. 57.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    October 19, 2016 at 1:32 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Literally LOL…

  58. 58.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    October 19, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    @The Dangerman: Yup, that Curt Schilling. Big jock mentality.

  59. 59.

    Waldo

    October 19, 2016 at 1:36 pm

    @The Moar You Know: I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. It’s a complete mismatch however you look at it.

  60. 60.

    Brachiator

    October 19, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    @germy:

    I don’t know much about Wallace, other than he works for fox. Do some of the red meat eaters find him too liberal? I’ve seen clips where he seems to aggressively question republican candidates.

    I don’t watch Fox News or pay attention to how Wallace is perceived by the audience, so I am as much in the dark about this as you are.

    Recently I’ve heard some rumblings from other pundits that Wallace has some level of integrity. Who knows….

    I know he believes it isn’t his job to fact check. I’m wondering if his intention is to knock HRC down a peg, knock both candidates down, or fluff herr drumpf? Because I’m sure his intentions aren’t simply to be a neutral asker of questions.

    Supposedly Wallace selected the questions himself. Fox originally was cold toward Trump. I don’t know if Wallace has been instructed to try to help Trump. But since Fox has never been neutral…

    Even though Wallace has said it isn’t his job to fact check, there was some speculation that he might precede his questions with a clip of the candidate’s past words, leaving them less wiggle room to spin.

    We will see soon enough how it all turns out.

  61. 61.

    WereBear

    October 19, 2016 at 1:38 pm

    Two awesome women.

    I do like the idea of “living one’s principles” as referenced in the article. To do otherwise undercuts the message.

  62. 62.

    Iowa Old Lady

    October 19, 2016 at 1:38 pm

    I’ve been dragging around sick for over a week, so I don’t have the stamina to watch Trump live. I count on BJ to entertain me tonight.

  63. 63.

    Aardvark Cheeselog

    October 19, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    More Democrats like this, please.

  64. 64.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    October 19, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I think that Wallace will try to help Trump look reasonable.

    And Hillary will try to help Trump have a spittle-flecked apoplectic fit. I bet she wins this particular contest.

  65. 65.

    barns

    October 19, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    @Cacti: You must be watching differnet debates than I am. The stuff his advisors tell him to do lasts for about the first 10 minutes then he just reverts back to his usual asshole self.

  66. 66.

    jl

    October 19, 2016 at 1:40 pm

    Just wasted a few minutes of my life performing due diligence on latest batch of idiot HRC emial revelations.
    A couple of weeks ago, saw reports that Chelsea Clinton was a vicious demon persecuting and harassing poor innocent people at the Clinton Foundation, nearly driving one of them to suicide.

    Today, I read that Chelsea Clinton wrote an email about improving policies against conflict of interest at the Foundation, based on things she has been told that indicate potential problems, and Chelsea Clinton admits in the email that the reports of potential problems she has heard are not proven. Which of course PROVES that the Clinton Foundation is a completely corrupt money laundering scheme, and this of course casts a cloud over Bill and HRC.

    Buried deep in the story was the ID of one of the tipsters who alerted Chelsea to potential conflict of interest problems: Bill Clinton.

    After the election is over, God willing that Trump is defeated as seems very likely now, Democrats need hold vile media (particularly big corporate broadcast and cable news, and places like Politico and The HIll) and the rancid GOP accountable for this garbage.

  67. 67.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 19, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    @jl:

    Democrats need hold vile media (particularly big corporate broadcast and cable news, and places like Politico and The HIll) and the rancid GOP accountable for this garbage.

    Won’t happen. If Obama could overlook actual war crimes that have not been seen since 1939 (conspiracy to wage a war of aggression, the predicate to all the other war crimes committed by Nazi Germany) they’ll overlook this filibustering of reality by the vermin of the Village.

  68. 68.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Fox originally was cold toward Trump.

    Not particularly. Roger Ailes was always on his side. Murdoch might have been somewhat opposed. Hannity has always been on his side.

    He called in regularly to Oreilly and got softballs.

    Fox was probably the main actor that opposed Romney stepping back in. Vociferously.
    [I thought at the time that was the Jeb Bush machine. There wasn’t one.]

  69. 69.

    Waldo

    October 19, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    @yellowdog:

    Would Schilling even win the primary?

    Wouldn’t surprise me. A.) It’s the Republican primary. B.) He’s still something of a hero in Red Sox Nation, thanks to his “bloody sock game” performance in the 2004 ALCS. Heck, his bloody sock alone could probably win the primary.

  70. 70.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    October 19, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    Bwahahahaha! I am really lucky that I had put down my soup spoon before I read that LOL!

  71. 71.

    debit

    October 19, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    Regarding tonight’s debate: I’m in until the bitter end. Like I said before the first debate, if she can stand up there and take it, I can sit on my ass and watch it.

  72. 72.

    Citizen_X

    October 19, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    @germy:

    Tic Tacs floating in the urine? It could be installation art.

    Piss Trump.

  73. 73.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 1:52 pm

    Mark Cuban said he tried not to draw Trump’s attention when he attended the first debate because he didn’t want to give him an excuse for a poor performance. “I’m going because it’s an amazing experience,” Cuban said. “Maybe this time I’ll try to get in his head.”

    Hillary Clinton also invited Hewlett-Packard CEO Meg Whitman, one of the most prominent Republicans to endorse her.

    Brian Fallon, Clinton’s spokesperson, said she can handle anything Trump does at the debate. “Whatever scorched-earth tactics he has planned for the debate, we will be ready and she will be unfazed,” he told the Times.

    (NYMag)

  74. 74.

    Schlemazel

    October 19, 2016 at 1:53 pm

    Since the debate has been mentioned I think this is a good place for this
    http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-election-is-done-by-the-way-1787947551

    It has a very interesting take on what Chris Wallace has planned for tonight. It won’t save Drumpf but he may save a few down ballot jackals.

  75. 75.

    Schlemazel

    October 19, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    Since the debate has been mentioned I think this is a good place for this
    http://theconcourse.deadspin.c…..1787947551

    It has a very interesting take on what Chris Wallace has planned for tonight. It won’t save Drumpf but he may save a few down ballot jackals.

  76. 76.

    Schlemazel

    October 19, 2016 at 1:55 pm

    OK – I give up, what is the bad word I used? Please help me out of moderation, thanks

  77. 77.

    Shalimar

    October 19, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I will say this for Curt Shilling: part of his failure with 38 Studios was because he actually hired lots of good, experienced computer game designers and artists and paid them like they were the best in the business. In retrospect, that was dumb and he ran his business poorly. It is still light years ahead of Trump’s philosophy of calling whoever you hire “the best” and then not bothering to pay them.

  78. 78.

    Citizen_X

    October 19, 2016 at 1:57 pm

    @Waldo:

    He’s still something of a hero in Red Sox Nation

    Yes, but most people I know are fans of the “if it’s not baseball, STFU, Schilling” variety.

  79. 79.

    The Moar You Know

    October 19, 2016 at 2:04 pm

    Brian Fallon, Clinton’s spokesperson, said she can handle anything Trump does at the debate. “Whatever scorched-earth tactics he has planned for the debate, we will be ready and she will be unfazed,” he told the Times.

    @germy: I suspect this is the case. And it’s not like Hillary doesn’t have a LOT of experience with idiotic alpha males. But boy howdy, I think he’s going to go full psycho/crazy tonight and she’s going to have her hands full.

    After all, this is Donald’s last TV appearance as a contender. Next appearance, he will be a LOSER so he’d better get what he can out of this.

  80. 80.

    Poopyman

    October 19, 2016 at 2:05 pm

    So. It’s come to this (so far).

    Somehow, some way – I don’t know how – I got put on the Tea Party mailing list. And ever since, I’ve gotten some pretty ridiculous emails that always – always – include multiple pleas for money. Today’s takes the cake, with the subject line

    PHOTOS: Hillary Bus Caught Illegally Dumping Poop in Street

    And you know that there are thousands of our fellow Americans eating this stuff up.

  81. 81.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    @Poopyman: The syzygy of that headline and your nym is perfect.

  82. 82.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 19, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    @Shalimar: He went from a good stand alone PC game to doing an MMO. Two totally different kettles of fish, and a good experience with the former does not in any way inform a good experience with the latter. Totally different challenges in both game design and coding. Making such a move was a very poor gamble.

  83. 83.

    jl

    October 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: What are thousands of our fellow Americans eating up, again? The reference is a little vague there.

    Also, honest question to more savvy and hep BJ commenters: I don’t understand what the fuss is about re Trump’s invite of Obama’s half brother to debate. So, what? Why should HRC give a rat’s ass? Let’s assume someone in Trump camp not completely brain dead goof who simply does not know what he or she is doing, and there is actually some vague sense to it. Then maybe really it is a reminder that one of ‘those people’ was elected president of the US? Basically, a visual bigot dog whistle. That is the only thing that half-way makes sense to me.

  84. 84.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    October 19, 2016 at 2:21 pm

    Roger Ailes and Donald Trump no longer speak

    LOL

  85. 85.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    @jl: As far as I can tell, the reasoning (such as it is) went “Obama dissed Trump yesterday, therefore Trump must counter-attack”. The fact that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are two completely separate individuals is apparently irrelevant.

  86. 86.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    @debit:
    This.

  87. 87.

    jl

    October 19, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: I don’t know much about computer games, but I remember reading an article that said the way Schilling went about developing the MMO version of the game was completely wrong, very different from usual approach, and almost guaranteed failure. So, Schilling brought in good people and paid them well, but his management decisions put their work to total waste.

    So, OK, in some respects better than Trump (that is a very very low bar), but still a failed business person. Not a strong argument. I guess the slogan would be:

    “I busted my business, but did it with honest incompetence. And I didn’t stiff everyone else involved! Schilling! Put business know-how in charge to clean up government!”

    Edit: though I think I read that he did try to stiff the state government start-up loan program. My memory hazy on the episode, though.

  88. 88.

    Waldo

    October 19, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    @Citizen_X:

    Yes, but most people I know are fans of the “if it’s not baseball, STFU, Schilling” variety.

    Same here. I know lifelong Sox fans who soured on him literally the day after Boston finally broke The Curse to win the World Series in ’04. That’s when he ended a feel-good interview on GMA with a total dick move: telling viewers to “vote Bush.”

  89. 89.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    @jl:
    Remember Hillary is an extension of the Obama administration, which is so terrible that even his own brother is rejecting him and by extension her. Sick burn!!!
    Now to normal people having political disagreements in our families is not that unusual, but to a 13 year old it’s a gotcha, and so will embarrass her, and by extension him. So his fans will love him for burning Obama who should be back in DC hiding from all of his failures instead of out stumping for Clinton. Maybe he’ll be so cowed by this alpha display he will retreat back to DC and stay there.

  90. 90.

    jl

    October 19, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    @hovercraft: Sounds like a sad BS idea. Also strikes me that every pic of Malik Obama I have seen shows him as a cordial smiling happy type of person. That is about all I know of him other than the capsule Wiki bio I read this morning.

    So, other than a reminder of ‘those people’ to bigots, I think, to the extent he is noticed, most people (even white people!) will think “Huh, that’s Obama’s half-brother. Seems like a nice guy. Supporting Trump, huh? Hey, the popcorn bowl is empty again, we need to make another batch?”

  91. 91.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    Trouble in paradise?

    Donald Trump has reportedly lost a key ally in former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes, who decided that advising the GOP presidential nominee was “a waste of time,” according to a Wednesday report.

    Ailes and Trump fell out after the former Fox boss learned “that Trump couldn’t focus—surprise, surprise,” New York Magazine editor Gabriel Sherman told attendees at the Vanity Fair New Establishment Summit, according to a report by Vanity Fair. “These debate prep sessions weren’t going anywhere.”

    EDIT: Jinx germy

  92. 92.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    Latest debate news: herr drumpf and roger alies are no longer on speaking terms. “The debate prep was going nowhere.”

    Roger longs for the day when he could coach a hardworking, serious man like Richard Milhous.

  93. 93.

    jl

    October 19, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    @hovercraft: Yeah, well, one thing your can say about Ailes, is he makes a pitch for wiling sex before he grabs at a hot chick. You put such disciplined person who plays such a long game in with an infant like Trump, probably will be conflicts..

  94. 94.

    Brachiator

    October 19, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    @catclub: RE: Fox originally was cold toward Trump.

    Not particularly. Roger Ailes was always on his side. Murdoch might have been somewhat opposed. Hannity has always been on his side.

    There was a mild rumble early on, especially when Trump “threatened” not to appear on Fox anymore because Megan Kelly was mean to him.

    From a contemporary news story:

    The real reason Fox News gave in decided to play nice with Donald Trump is that they were flooded with criticism from their viewers after Megyn Kelly went after the top Republican candidate.

    Donald Trump returned to Fox and Friends this morning, where he was given his usual diet of Charmin fresh softballs to ramble on about. What was interesting about his appearance was that it even happened. Trump’s return to Fox marked a complete capitulation by the network after they tried to run him off of the stage during the first Republican debate.

    After Fox News had tried to ruin Trump’s candidacy during the debate, they were stunned by a viewer rebellion where Fox News watchers took the side of Trump over the network’s prized big star Megyn Kelly.

    New York Magazine detailed the unexpected Fox News viewers rebellion:

    According to two high-level Fox sources, Ailes’s diplomacy was the result of increasing concern inside Fox News that Trump could damage the network. Immediately following Thursday’s debate, Fox was deluged with pro-Trump emails. The chatter on Twitter was equally in Trump’s favor. “In the beginning, virtually 100 percent of the emails were against Megyn Kelly,” one Fox source, who was briefed on the situation, told me. “Roger was not happy. Most of the Fox viewers were taking Trump’s side.”

    Things got worse for Ailes over the weekend. In a phone conversation, Trump told Sean Hannity that “he was never doing Fox again,” according to one person with knowledge of the call. The anti-Kelly emails, and threat of a boycott by Trump, seem to have pushed Ailes to defuse the war. One Fox personality told me that Fox producers gave instructions to tell in-house talent not to bring up Trump’s controversial comments that Kelly had “blood coming out of her wherever” during the debate. According to one count, Fox only aired Trump’s comment once since Friday, while CNN mentioned it at least 50 times.

    The rest is history. Fox learned to play nice with Trump.

  95. 95.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 2:41 pm

    They’re making a film of Roger’s final days at fox news.
    Who will play Ailes? John Goodman? Anthony Hopkins?

  96. 96.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 2:43 pm

    @hovercraft: But I thought Ailes spent the debate prep smoking cigars and telling war stories? Herr Drumpf, RudyAmerica’sMayor and Roger puffing cigars and talking shit?

  97. 97.

    jl

    October 19, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    @germy: Trump was probably remote happy with the TV and drove them nuts, even with the cigars and chow. I can tell you from personal experience with family wingnuts, incessant and obsessive channel flipping is extremely irritating.

  98. 98.

    WereBear

    October 19, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    @germy: Who will play Ailes? John Goodman? Anthony Hopkins?

    Anthony Hopkins has monster experience, after all.

  99. 99.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    @jl:

    Edit: though I think I read that he did try to stiff the state government start-up loan program.

    He did, in fact, leave the RI Economic Development Corp holding the bag for somewhere around $30M. Which is why, even though RI is mostly Red Sox country, there are few people here who would even bother to piss on him if he was on fire.

  100. 100.

    Shalimar

    October 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: IIRC, Kingdom of Amalur was almost finished when 38 Studios bought the company making it, in order to earn some cash before the MMO was ready. The MMO was always the game Shilling wanted to make, and he drastically underestimated the money and work required to get it to market.

  101. 101.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    @germy:

    But I thought Ailes spent the debate prep smoking cigars and telling war stories?

    Trump stopped listening, no attention span. Ailes was insulted?

  102. 102.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    @WereBear: So does Goodman, from “Brother, Where art Thou.” Also the recent one in the fallout shelter would be relevant, given Ailes’ paranoia.

  103. 103.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    @WereBear: He played Nixon, so close enough.

  104. 104.

    gvg

    October 19, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @jl: The fuss is first that it’s another example of Trumps lack of political understanding. Something like another episode of America’s stupidest criminals. Second the half brother is a Hamas supporter, which if Trump had any political brains he would avoid touching himself.

  105. 105.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @jl:

    incessant and obsessive channel flipping is extremely irritating.

    It literally drives me to the point where I get up and leave the room.

    My cat benefits, because I find the spot she’s hiding in from our wingnut relatives and give her extra attention, which she appreciates.

  106. 106.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    @catclub:

    Trump stopped listening, no attention span. Ailes was insulted?

    These people are accustomed to being the top dog in every room. It’s painful for them when two or three “top dogs” gather for one meeting.

  107. 107.

    jl

    October 19, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    @gvg: OK, thanks for additional info on half brother. Now I can’t think of a polite way to describe the stupidity of Trump and his gang.

  108. 108.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 19, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    @germy: This was going to happen, because Donald refuses to listen to source matter experts, and as loathsome as Ailes is, he does know about this shit, he coached Tricky Dick into the WH, based on what he observed in the debates with Kennedy.

  109. 109.

    Miss Bianca

    October 19, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    @germy: “The debate prep was going nowhere.”

    So, does that mean that we can look forward to hearing the news that Roger Ailes has decided to enjoy Donald Trump’s liver with a side of fava beans and a nice Chianti?

  110. 110.

    JR in WV

    October 19, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    @germy:

    Wife (retired reporter, 40 years exp) thinks Wallace is a good reporter, unrelated to his network employment, at Faux news. I have no opinion, as we don’t get Faux news and wouldn’t watch it if we did. I am compulsive about keeping up with the campaign, though.

    Since she wants to see him take a swing at one of the most difficult jobs in news, and there is no broadcast baseball available, I’ll probably watch, or listen while I browse here and LGM.

    It will be interesting to see how Wallace behaves when Trump misbehaves. I think we can count on seeing that exchange at least once. Maybe he (Wallace) will insist on controlling the microphones? That could be fun to watch.

    Maybe Trump will explode and walk off? That would be great to see! I’ve got a good imagination. if you haven’t noticed…

  111. 111.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    as loathsome as Ailes is, he does know about this shit, he coached Tricky Dick into the WH

    We should thank him for his service.

  112. 112.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    @JR in WV:

    Wife (retired reporter, 40 years exp) thinks Wallace is a good reporter, unrelated to his network employment, at Faux news.

    Interesting. I know nothing about Wallace, except for his famous dad.

  113. 113.

    germy

    October 19, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    @Miss Bianca: What’s wrong with making him eat his own brainz?

    (In keeping with the Halloween spirit?)

  114. 114.

    JR in WV

    October 19, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    @germy:

    Donald Sutherland?

    Experience acting crazy, really good at that, already named Donald!

  115. 115.

    JR in WV

    October 19, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    @germy:

    We shall see. Attempting to moderate Trump would challenge anyone.

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