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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Post-Debate: Trump’s Toast. Charred, Smoking Toast.

Post-Debate: Trump’s Toast. Charred, Smoking Toast.

by Anne Laurie|  October 19, 201611:01 pm| 315 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Woman in the Whitehouse 2016

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This debate, much like the campaign itself, is over. Clinton has won and Trump has lost bigly

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) October 20, 2016

Best summary I’ve seen so far, from our own Adam:

Wallace thinks he’s refereeing a chess match. Clinton is playing go. Trump is playing chutes and ladders.

If the postmortems pick just one ‘worst moment of the third debate’, I’m assuming it will be Trump declaring (more than once! Wallace tried to give him a do-over!) that if he lost the election, he’d “see how it looked at that moment”, rather than saying, yes, he’d accept the results.

Which is, of course, the next step beyond his announcement during the last debate that, should he win, his opponent “will be in jail.”

John King: I was getting emails from Republicans in swing states saying "OMG" when Trump refused to say he would accept poll results

— Ellen Barry (@EllenBarryNYT) October 20, 2016

Just this afternoon:

Ivanka Trump says her father will concede if he loses https://t.co/N136ALrlT2 pic.twitter.com/7MEqP4NfCb

— The Hill (@thehill) October 19, 2016

Trump boasting that "Nobody has more respect for women than I do" prompts Chris Wallace to tell the crowd to stop laughing…

— James Hohmann (@jameshohmann) October 20, 2016

Calling Hillary a "nasty woman" at the end seals this as Trump's worst debate and probably the worst in the history of debates

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) October 20, 2016

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315Comments

  1. 1.

    Karmus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    Boom!

  2. 2.

    khead

    October 19, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    That was a beatdown.

    Have some Bella kitteh being not-so-enthusiastic about getting some milk as a chaser.

  3. 3.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    Thanks for the kind words. Gonna pull my post debate thread and consolidate everything here.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    The end is in sight; only 480 hours to go before polls close in California.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    Haha. Hugh Hewitt says Trump did great except for that whole failing to accept the results thing.

  6. 6.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    Trying to decide who is worse…Lord or Hewitt…I think I’ll go with Hugh Hewitt…Jeffrey Lord is just so damn crazy you think he’s a loon. Hewitt is more insidious and therefore more dangerous.

  7. 7.

    Anne Laurie

    October 19, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: SH*T! Sorry about that, Adam… I’ll let you be the gentleman, this time.

  8. 8.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 19, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    Mike Grunwald is watching the debate with undecided and mostly white millennials, here’s two reactions

    ‏@ MikeGrunwald
    This guy’s still undecided because they were both too mean to each other.
    It felt like every debate was the same. I’m more confused than ever. It just feels like shouting.” #millennials

  9. 9.

    Jeffro

    October 19, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    Interesting that in all four debates (including the VP one) nothing about education was discussed other than the cost of college (unless I missed a question on a bathroom break or something).

  10. 10.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Anne Laurie: It happens. I checked and no one was drafting when I started. You must have started right after I did. So no worries, it happens.

  11. 11.

    Mothra

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    He has no idea that his “nasty woman” snark was sexist

    None

  12. 12.

    Lyrebird

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Sounded from comments less like Chutes and Ladders and more like that horrid man was playing the card game “Bullsz!t” (so to speak) except without knowing a jack from a queen.

  13. 13.

    redshirt

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    As I said below, for the first time I really enjoyed this debate. Like, it was a blast!

    The first one I was real nervous for, and Clinton did great.
    I hated the format of the second one, but Clinton still did great – but not as good as in debate 1.

    This one she knocked it out of the park despite Wallace’s framing. She beat him and Donald and did it easily.

    Our next President. HRC.

  14. 14.

    WaterGirl

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @khead: I thought that cats can’t digest milk, only cream. Have they been putting one over on me for all this time?

  15. 15.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @redshirt: Agree completely.

  16. 16.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: soylent green should be young people?

  17. 17.

    MattF

    October 19, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    It was pointed out that Hillz wore red to the first debate, blue to the second, and white to the third. BOOM. Good night.

  18. 18.

    smintheus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Almost lost in all the chaos that Trump created tonight was his outlandish explanation that the election is rigged because Clinton should never have been allowed to run for the presidency. In normal times, that statement would sink anybody’s candidacy.

  19. 19.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    I’m glad Rachel pointed out that Trump is only going farther than the Republicans who also used rhetoric about stealing elections and even talking about voter fraud…she mentioned McCain and ACORN

    Course Schmidt didn’t like that and actually brought up Acorn…

    Oh…see this is why I give Steve Schmidt side eye..cause the right Repulican and he’d be all on board..

  20. 20.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @MattF: Haha.

  21. 21.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Lyrebird: It definitely wasn’t candy land, that’s for ages 5 and up!

  22. 22.

    WaterGirl

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Mothra: He has nothing but respect for women!

  23. 23.

    MobiusKlein

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @dmsilev: That’s like when I was in high school counting the days till summer vacation.

    I suppose CA polls closeing is a likely time to call the election

  24. 24.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Just tell them to go fuck themselves.

  25. 25.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    I didn’t think that many people knew what go (the game) was.

  26. 26.

    redshirt

    October 19, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: “We eat our young”.

  27. 27.

    Kay

    October 19, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    Not “allowed” to run enrages me. Where this asshole thinks he gets off deciding who is a legitimate President or candidate, making these pronouncements.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @hovercraft: I think that’s what they are planning on doing.

  29. 29.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @redshirt: Wallace’s framing actually helped her. Allowed her to strut her stuff.

  30. 30.

    smintheus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @Jeffro: I don’t remember a single question about global warming in any of the 4 debates.

  31. 31.

    Thoughtful David

    October 19, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    So, “undecided” means “too stupid to breathe”?

  32. 32.

    smintheus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @Kay: I agree. I think it is as bad as refusing to accept the results of the election.

  33. 33.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    Holy cow, Brian Williams is more of a lightweight than Matt Lauer.

  34. 34.

    redshirt

    October 19, 2016 at 11:10 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Agreed entirely. Never would have predicted that.

    Her best moment (maybe) is when she pivoted from Wallace’s Wikileaks question onto Russia and Donald’s love of Putin. Just fantastic.

  35. 35.

    piratedan

    October 19, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    Hewitt is fucking crazy if he thinks that Trump won…. nasty woman, abortion, election results yeah, those are winners

  36. 36.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @CJR
    Trump’s refusal to concede an election day loss now leading Politico, CNN, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, LAT and BuzzFeed.

  37. 37.

    gf120581

    October 19, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    So, my questions:

    1. How many more Republicans are going to flee Trump tomorrow?

    2. How many more red states will become competitive now? Am I right that KY (!) is now looking like that?

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @MattF: She’s running for President of Serbia?

  39. 39.

    zach

    October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Is there ANY parallel to Trump’s accusation that the Mosul campaign is a wag-the-dog conspiracy to benefit Clinton?!?

    That’s horribly irresponsible and incredibly disrespectful to Americans involved in the campaign, Iraqi fighters, and the civilians in Mosul in harm’s way…

    Also, I’m a little annoyed Clinton doesn’t have a good, canned answer ready for Trump’s “what happened to the element of surprise??? Patton’s rolling in his grave!” bull. It’s not hard: (1) Give civilians time to evacuate and (2) scare ISIS fighters into deserting… both of which have been reportedly happening.

  40. 40.

    scav

    October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Chutes and Ladders? Not for Trump: He’s not sure he recognizes the existence of chutes.

  41. 41.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Green_Footballs 49s50 seconds ago
    Nope, media heads – Trump did NOT handle the Supreme Court questions well at all. He attacked Justice Ginsburg for criticizing him!

  42. 42.

    RandomMonster

    October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    As I was saying in the last thread, Hillary can take a bow for provoking Trump so much that he came out with the “nasty woman” comment. Now THAT is skillful debating.

  43. 43.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @piratedan: Hewitt is fucking crazy

    edited

  44. 44.

    gf120581

    October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @piratedan: Hewitt is in the “denial” stage of grief.

    Best moment was Conway literally fleeing from Dana Bash mid-question. That about sums up tonight.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I thought Trump said the Serbians hate her.

  46. 46.

    Helen

    October 19, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    That CNN Kayleigh lady Trump supporter is SUPER mad. She knows. She knows it is over and she can’t admit it on TV.

  47. 47.

    Cacti

    October 19, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    Crowd laughs when Trump says “nobody has more respect for women than I do.” Laughs harder when Chris Wallace tells them to stop laughing.

  48. 48.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Remind me sometimes to recount the first time that Williams told the story that got him suspended. I was sitting about fifteen feet from him.

  49. 49.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    Donald, Jr. is about to cry.

  50. 50.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @MattF: Nice.

  51. 51.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @smintheus:
    There were none.

  52. 52.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @MattF: This finally shows that she is unAmerican. Sheeple, think!

  53. 53.

    khead

    October 19, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Just can’t give them a lot. An occasional treat. Usually they go nuts for it.

  54. 54.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @Kay: yup, it’s the final version of lock her up stupidity.

  55. 55.

    Helen

    October 19, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @Baud: Yeah, ain’t it great?

  56. 56.

    TS

    October 19, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Well deserved – you have maintained my sanity

  57. 57.

    NotMax

    October 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    NC has a town named Toast. Perfect for DT to relocate there.

    Proverbial fat lady has stopped running scales and is belting out the opening notes of her aria.

  58. 58.

    chris

    October 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @dmsilev: Oh thank dog!

  59. 59.

    Ian

    October 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @zach:
    In the Rethug universe we should do to Mosul what Assad did to Allepo. SATSQ.

  60. 60.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @MattF: Hillary the White.

  61. 61.

    TS

    October 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: His tone and expression never change regardless of the topic

  62. 62.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @Baud:
    But Daddy promised he was going to win. Dammit!!

  63. 63.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    Rudy and KellyAnne! Click.

  64. 64.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    LOLGOP Retweeted
    ABC News ‏@ABC 10m10 minutes ago

    Hillary Clinton’s choice to wear white conveys struggle of suffragettes to gain right to vote, expert says.

    scoring points all over the place.

  65. 65.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @zach: This is a modified reprisal of President Clinton going into the Balkans and after bin Laden to distract from the Starr Investigation and subsequent impeachment.

  66. 66.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    So all of Trump’s stunting guest-casting… he choked?

    (Tweety for some reason interviewing Conway and Rudi? What the fucking fuck with MSNBC?– back to baseball)

  67. 67.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    Seriously, FYWP disappears a comment over a Kieślowski reference?

  68. 68.

    Millard Filmore

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @MobiusKlein:

    I suppose CA polls closing is a likely time to call the election

    Even in close races the election is usually called long before California polls close.

  69. 69.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    LOLGOP Retweeted
    Jonathan Allen ‏@jonallendc 2m2 minutes ago

    Trump is the first candidate whose rapid-response operatives are focused mostly on refuting things their own candidate said.
    0 replies 84 retweets 100 likes

    the story of his scampaign.

  70. 70.

    MobiusKlein

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @zach: element of surprise? I would be surprised if the Iraqi Army could keep a secret at all.

  71. 71.

    piratedan

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    hey MSNBC, lets make sure that every single Trump surrogate gets some air time, shall we? How about putting on someone from the Clinton campaign on, maybe? perhaps?

  72. 72.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @Baud: It was the first flag I could remember that has red then blue then white stripes from top to bottom.

  73. 73.

    Helen

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    The Television Academy just tweeted “Rest assured, the Emmys are not rigged.” LOL.

  74. 74.

    Betty Cracker

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @Cacti: Someone should attach electrodes to his tongue and shock him whenever he says that. It’s such a bald-faced, offensive lie.

  75. 75.

    errg

    October 19, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @smintheus:

    I know, I’ve been saying the same thing. Global warming is without question one (if not the) of the biggest threats to the world, and not one question about it in any of the debates. Hillary alluded to it in her second debate, but that was it.

    This was truly disgraceful on the part of the moderators.

  76. 76.

    Thoughtful David

    October 19, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @gf120581:

    How many more Republicans are going to flee Trump tomorrow?

    If you’re referring to Ryan and McConnell and their ilk, the answer will be zero. They’ll probably “regret his phrasing”, or maybe “wouldn’t say it that way themselves,” but they’ll stick with him. He’s who they are.

  77. 77.

    Lyrebird

    October 19, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It definitely wasn’t candy land, that’s for ages 5 and up!

    Quoted for Truth! And oh, laughter is GOOD.

    So grateful y’all are watching & telling me what I need to know. The creepster conster is revolting.

    And speaking of candy – I’m happy to see the now-grown-up former-refugee kiddo who took that photo of a bowl of Skittles is suing Son Of Conster for the unlicensed use of his photo. Go him!

  78. 78.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: The start of Go Fish, right?

  79. 79.

    zach

    October 19, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @smintheus: “I don’t remember a single question about global warming in any of the 4 debates.”

    Ken Bone’s question at the Town Hall at least gave Clinton the chance to bring it up on her own in a relevant context.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    Oh, we can’t let “bad hombres” go down the memory hole.

  81. 81.

    Mike in NC

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    North Carolina polls open at 10 AM on Thursday. Fuck the Manhattan Mussolini.

  82. 82.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Millard Filmore: We generally know who is going to win, but the networks usually wait until the polls close on the west coast before making a formal call. Dates back to Reagan-Carter I think, where the nets called it early and there were complaints that that discouraged west coast voters.

  83. 83.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yep, no mention of Benghazi or President Clinton’s affairs.

  84. 84.

    Betty Cracker

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    Not to be catty, but Ms. Conway has aged 20 years in two months. I guess that’s what happens when you sign up to run Beelzebub’s campaign.

  85. 85.

    NotMax

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    Conway, Queen of the Dervishes.

  86. 86.

    Michael Bersin

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Thoughtful David:

    “So, ‘undecided’ means ”too stupid to breathe’?”

    To not put too fine a point on it, absofreakinlutely emphatically yes.

  87. 87.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Lyrebird:

    Chutes and Ladders

    73 years in this country and that still sounds wrong.

  88. 88.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    And…I’m done with MSNBC…I see they have the crypt keeper and the cross dresser…I’m sorry…Kellyanne and Rudy G… on

  89. 89.

    cmorenc

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @lamh36:

    @CJR
    Trump’s refusal to concede an election day loss now leading Politico, CNN, NYT, WaPo, WSJ, LAT and BuzzFeed.

    That story is even leading the Fox News website in the aftermath of the debate.

  90. 90.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 19, 2016 at 11:21 pm

    @Baud: it’s trending on twitter– we’ll see if MSNBC brings on Jorge Ramos for eight seconds before going to Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace to balance Kelleyanne and Rudi

  91. 91.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @NotMax: Mississippi has Hot Coffee.

  92. 92.

    Marnie

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Mothra:

    But, “no one respects women more than I do.” The nerve.

  93. 93.

    MobiusKlein

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Millard Filmore: Not in 2008 or 2012. I remember it being considered scandalous that Reagan Carter was called before CA close, on the notion that it depressed down ticket races.

  94. 94.

    chris

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    Lawyer Gloria Allred announces that a “woman who accuses Donald Trump of victimizing her with inappropriate sexual conduct will hold a press conference tomorrow”:

    Form the Guardian live blog

  95. 95.

    Millard Filmore

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @zach:

    Also, I’m a little annoyed Clinton doesn’t have a good, canned answer ready for Trump’s “what happened to the element of surprise??? Patton’s rolling in his grave!” bull. It’s not hard: (1) Give civilians time to evacuate and (2) scare ISIS fighters into deserting… both of which have been reportedly happening.

    Sure, the attack can be a surprise if you assume:
    – there are no spies
    – there are no deserters
    – the fighters defending Mosul will ignore the tens of thousand army troops they see deploying around the city … how many days will that take? and do it in secret?
    – the fighters defending Mosul will ignore the dust clouds stirred up by the logistics tail needed to feed, arm, supply, and take care of all those soldiers.

    Sure. A surprise attack. What a putz.

  96. 96.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: Do you call it snakes and ladders?

  97. 97.

    Elie

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    She looked damned good in the cream tonight. And her head was glacial cool and she was also able to project warmth and stay positive during the “rest” times that she was wiping his blood off the saber. Every time he leaned in on the attack she cut him bad….And never got a drop of blood on that dazzling white outfit…

  98. 98.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Helen:

    The Television Academy just tweeted “Rest assured, the Emmys are not rigged.” LOL.

    So, Trump has now been disavowed by two separate candy companies plus a TV awards organization. Has he insulted the Girl Scouts yet?

  99. 99.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Some of us played it vs. our dads as children. Never really took to it.

  100. 100.

    eric

    October 19, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Baud: I found “Down the Memory Hole” too derivative, i prefer the Bad Hombres’ first album “Sad”

  101. 101.

    randy khan

    October 19, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @errg:

    Hillary mentioned climate change again tonight. I won’t say she had to go out of her way to do it, but it did seem like a conscious choice. But, as you say, no questions about it.

  102. 102.

    Gravenstone

    October 19, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Someone please tuck that special snowflake back into the womb. He hasn’t finished gestating yet.

  103. 103.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    LOLGOP ‏@LOLGOP 7h7 hours ago

    We’ll let a woman be president but first America has to live through an 18-month fever dream of racism, misogyny and conservative fan fic.
    0 replies 434 retweets 950 likes

  104. 104.

    Mike J

    October 19, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    Nasty girl
    Ms Clinton if you’re nasty

  105. 105.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I found it and have set it free.

  106. 106.

    NotMax

    October 19, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @Mike in NC

    Dunno if you saw it, but John Yoo (John effin’ Yoo!) recently said Trump goes too far, proposes things patently illegal and reminds him of Mussolini.

  107. 107.

    PPCLI

    October 19, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @zach: That was the moment in the debate that I thought was absolutely most delusional.

    Trump repeatedly claimed that an operation that involves Iraqi Kurds, Iraqi government forces, Shiite militias, plus UK and French air force and French army units all collaborating with the US on a bloody offensive, was entirely with the goal of making a possible tiny marginal improvement in Hillary’s polling numbers.

  108. 108.

    WaterGirl

    October 19, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @cmorenc: Plus, I thought Trump disrespected the debate moderator, so FOX may be pissed at Trump about that. I wonder if that contributes to the stance they are taking.

  109. 109.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 19, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    Ha! Rachel calls Chris Matthews her “cool, calm, and collected friend.” BURN.

  110. 110.

    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap

    October 19, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    George Takei:

    I hear the bathrooms in Trump Tower are being relabeled “Bad Hombres” and “Nasty Women.”

  111. 111.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Josh Marshall has taken to referring to Trump’s Dignity Wraiths, where he sucks any residual dignity out of those surrounding him. Maybe it also works on life-force as well.

  112. 112.

    Elizabelle

    October 19, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    The projection with Trump is just astonishing, even when you know it’s there.

    Hillary “should not have been allowed to run.”

    Insane. I know it’s a big applause line in the ugly and ignorant Fox News world he is pitching to, but it is insane away from that.

  113. 113.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Some of us

    Not very many, I’d bet.

  114. 114.

    NorthLeft12

    October 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    Climate change? What climate change? Old, selfish white guys could care less about climate change. They strongly object to taxes, any taxes, and high energy costs. Jimmy Carter was made to be a pariah for suggesting that instead of consuming everything in sight, perhaps the US should consider conservation. Reagan laughed at this and won over the hearts and minds of selfish, white males for the last thirty odd years.

  115. 115.

    TaMara (HFG)

    October 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @RandomMonster: So I was separating the dogs and must have missed this – he called Secretary Clinton a “nasty woman” for reelz?

  116. 116.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Nice.

  117. 117.

    Jeffro

    October 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Millard Filmore:

    Even in close races the election is usually called long before California polls close.

    At this point, they can call it once we hear the NH results…Clinton doesn’t need OH or FL to win.

  118. 118.

    WaterGirl

    October 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @chris: Is this de ja vu? Or is this yet another woman coming forward?

  119. 119.

    eric

    October 19, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): yes, because he has already used bleeding out of her whereever, so he had to go old school.

  120. 120.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 19, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    Most campaign manuals will tell you that “avoid becoming a complete national joke” is one of the most important tips.

    When you hear the audience laugh uncontrollably because you claimed to be a decent person and they know better, in fact they find the whole idea of you being decent a hilarious proposition, you just might be a loser of historic proportions.

  121. 121.

    Anoniminous

    October 19, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @gf120581:

    Kentucky, Texas, Alaska, and Arizona are all competitive. The SheDevilFromHell has captured all the swing states — except Iowa, maybe — and is now cutting into GOP territory.

  122. 122.

    burnspbesq

    October 19, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @Baud:

    Conway is from South Jersey. That’s all the explanation I need.

  123. 123.

    TaMara (HFG)

    October 19, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: that needs to be front paged, just for entertainment value alone.

  124. 124.

    Mike E

    October 19, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @Mike in NC: Earlier, depending on your county…9am here in Wake

    ETA I’m voting Friday, my day off, so I can really savor it

  125. 125.

    JordanRules

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @amk: Ain’t that the sad truth.

  126. 126.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @NotMax: That’s offensive to Dervishes.

  127. 127.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: makes more sense than damn snakes.

  128. 128.

    redshirt

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @randy khan: It doesn’t matter at this point. Hillary will win and FSM willing bring a Dem Senate and House with her and we can get things done in regards Climate Change, and so much else.

  129. 129.

    khead

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    Bad Hombres? Pretty sure that was a ZZ Top album.

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Mike J:

    Fess up — did you make that most recent comment?

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: What sent it to purgatory? If you can tell?

  132. 132.

    chris

    October 19, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @WaterGirl: A new one apparently. Press conference at 11AM Eastern.

  133. 133.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @schrodinger’s catYes. The image of kiddies sliding down vicious snakes and being eaten at the bottom as punishment for their failure is so much more fun than “kid goes down chute”.

  134. 134.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    Oh..no Adam…they trying to intimidate your girlfriend Joy Ann

    @JoyAnnReid
    So my producer and I just got accosted by two Trump supporters. White, male, 30s probably. Vile, crude and loud. Hooray. #VegasDebate

  135. 135.

    Ruckus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Baud:
    That would be about right. For someone with the maturity of a 4 yr old.

  136. 136.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @lamh36: That’s been debunked!

  137. 137.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Elie: I was teasing Baud.

  138. 138.

    WaterGirl

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Why yes, yes he did.

  139. 139.

    NoraLenderbee

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): For realz.

  140. 140.

    Corner Stone

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    I am sick to fucking death of people who are undecided at this point. How can you be fucking dumber than a racist who is supporting Trump?

  141. 141.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    I don’t remember enough about previous elections to know if Plouffe is cautious or given to bravado, I do believe he popularized the term “bed wetters” in Obama-land

    David Plouffe ‏@ davidplouffe 11m11 minutes ago
    Final margin closer to 400 electoral votes than 270.

  142. 142.

    scuffletuffle

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh, FFS, Mommy and Daddy disagree, but we still love you…//

  143. 143.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Nevertheless.

  144. 144.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @dmsilev:

    So, Trump has now been disavowed by two separate candy companies plus a TV awards organization. Has he insulted the Girl Scouts yet?

    Thin Mints, I will tell you this, nothing thin about them. Believe me, nothing thin. Nothing. Samoas I think — I have heard this, people have said, very fair people who are nice to me have said — Samoas are not from America, they come to this country and take our Nabiscos and Keeblers — and I assume some of them are good cookies.

  145. 145.

    Eric S.

    October 19, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Baud: He nearly graduated to a 6th grade vocabulary with that one.

  146. 146.

    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap

    October 19, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    The @HillaryClinton team has already purchased nastywomengetshitdone.com and it redirects to the campaign site.

  147. 147.

    Jeffro

    October 19, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Plus, I thought Trump disrespected the debate moderator, so FOX may be pissed at Trump about that. I wonder if that contributes to the stance they are taking.

    Sure looked to me like Donald went over to Chris after the debate and lectured him about something…being in the tank for Hillary, maybe?

    Chris, in response: “Um, sir, I led off with guns, abortion, the Supreme Court and economic plans – i.e., your opportunity to slobber all over the 2nd amendment, the right to life, originalism, and huge tax cuts. If you can’t spin that gold into…gold…I can’t help you, and neither can anyone else.”

  148. 148.

    Elizabelle

    October 19, 2016 at 11:30 pm

    @NorthLeft12: Speaking of Jimmy Carter: I hope his health holds, for many months or years, and I will be thrilled to know he was able to cast a vote this fall.

  149. 149.

    Millard Filmore

    October 19, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @dmsilev: @MobiusKlein:

    Not in 2008 or 2012. I remember it being considered scandalous that Reagan Carter was called before CA close, on the notion that it depressed down ticket races.

    Ah, ok. I voted early and worked late in those years. Thanks for the clarification – reminder.

  150. 150.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Yep!

  151. 151.

    NotMax

    October 19, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman

    Heh. Would substituting Morris dancers be better?

    ;)

  152. 152.

    catclub

    October 19, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    When you hear the audience laugh uncontrollably

    Dukakis tank moment. I wonder how long before Clinton has that moment in an ad.

  153. 153.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 19, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: plouffe has a very even keel and is not prone to flights of irrational exuberance.

  154. 154.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Duly impressed that your father attempted to teach you to play go. Even if you didn’t take to it, Yasunari Kawabata’s The Master of Go is a wonderful book.

  155. 155.

    WaterGirl

    October 19, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: That was pretty good!!

  156. 156.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 19, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: Agreed. Do you like peanuts and chocolate combo? Or peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or God forbid peanut butter cookies.

  157. 157.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    YouGovUS Verified account
    ‏@YouGovUS

    POST-DEBATE POLL: Who won?

    Hillary Clinton: 49%
    Donald Trump: 39%

    the dick is closer to my ceiling of 35%.

  158. 158.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Poo to your sense. I vote for violent reptiles every time.

  159. 159.

    redshirt

    October 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @srv:

    Confirmation bias is a powerful thing

    I know, right?

  160. 160.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @Corner Stone: and even sicker of the media who insist on treating them as if they’re so darned thoughtful and reflective you’d think they were sculpted by Rodin himself. 90% of them are simply too dumb, or too lazy, to think about the issues. I may have just explained why the BriWis and Cokies of the world find them so appealing

  161. 161.

    Jeffro

    October 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    – national laughingstock
    – bookings at Trump hotels and golf courses down by half or more
    – Trump U lawsuit
    – whatever legal implications come from Trump Foundation shenanigans
    – whatever legal fallout comes from Russia ties
    – has to quit “storing” 6 foot portrait of himself in his club

    I think Steve Schmidt was being prophetic, not descriptive…Trump really is going to end up on a park bench, arguing with squirrels…

  162. 162.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I have no idea. It was in the trash folder and I cannot, for the life of me, make any rhyme or reason out of what causes stuff to wind up in there other than stuff coming from blacklisted ISP or email address.

  163. 163.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    Susan Glasser ‏@sbg1 6m6 minutes ago

    Trump interrupted Clinton 37 times tonight. Clinton interrupted him 5 times.

  164. 164.

    Oldgold

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    CNN: Clinton 52/ Trump 39

  165. 165.

    Mnemosyne

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:

    I was reading a novel (trashy romance, of course) where the characters are playing an antique version of a chutes-and-ladders type of game, and one of them complains that it has more whippings than a novel by DeSade.

  166. 166.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: The various modelers are predicting ~340 as the current most-likely outcome, and that’s already closer to 400 than to 270, so not much of a reach on that claim.

  167. 167.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Baud:

    Donald, Jr. is about to cry.

    That makes me so happy.

  168. 168.

    Trentrunner

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    CNN snap poll

    Clinton 52
    Trump 39

    :)

  169. 169.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @lamh36: I believe she’s married, I just have great admiration for her work. And as was the case with Ms. Gold the other night – we’ve got her back!

  170. 170.

    Major Major Major Major

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @srv: lol. 53-39 Hillary, CNN. Oh you.

  171. 171.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @amk:
    @Oldgold:

    Polls pretty consistent with partisan breakdown of election.

  172. 172.

    Aleta

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    As a go player, to me HRC was more like checkers. Linear strategy with leap overs and some crownings.

  173. 173.

    Jeffro

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Pflouffe is right…check out 270towin dot com and see what happens if Hillary snags GA, AZ, UT on top of OH and FL. I think her max is 415…but hey…HER MAX IS 415!!

  174. 174.

    Elie

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Doesn’t matter — I still liked my response…

    (i’m just having a good time)

  175. 175.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Trump really is going to end up on a park bench, arguing with squirrels…

    And no doubt will be complaining that the acorns are rigged against him.

  176. 176.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I recall seeing that book around the house.

  177. 177.

    Anoniminous

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Trump really is going to end up on a park bench, arguing with squirrels…

    And losing

  178. 178.

    Steeplejack

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @redshirt:

    Agreed. I usually hate watching the debates, but I actually enjoyed this one. Clinton was forceful, unrattled, made substantive points and also pantsed Trump several times. And did it without breaking a sweat.

    P.S. And it was all done in the context of the completely Fox-o-centric framing of the questions by Chris Wallace. The national debt? Entitlement reform? But nothing about climate change? GTFO!

  179. 179.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: This is so sad. I used to respect you as a commenter, until today’s revelations.

  180. 180.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Reece’s Giant Peanut Butter Cups are my downfall. However I don’t get peanut butter and jelly. Or indeed, jelly. Give me a proper jam with fuck off lumps of fruit in it to put on my toast and keep your fucking peanut butter away from it.

  181. 181.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    Things donald trump has actually called ‘rigged’.

  182. 182.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s worth your time.

  183. 183.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    Touré Verified account @Toure

    CNN poll who won the debate: Clinton 52%, Trump 39%.

  184. 184.

    Percysowner

    October 19, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Speaking of Jimmy Carter: I hope his health holds, for many months or years, and I will be thrilled to know he was able to cast a vote this fall.

    The good news is Georgia started early voting this week, so he can have already voted. Bat news, the lines were FOUR HOURS long at some precincts.

  185. 185.

    Steeplejack

    October 19, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    “It’s just like when Mom and Dad got divorced!”

  186. 186.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @NotMax: I’m okay with that.

  187. 187.

    Mike J

    October 19, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    CNN Instant Debate Poll: Clinton: 52 Trump: 39

  188. 188.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 19, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @Jeffro: I’ve been hoping, but fairly confidently actually, for this last panel to come true since Dan drew it back in August.

    Sort of in the style of this, but the opposite.

  189. 189.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @amk:

    A friend pointed out a poll the other day where Trump was only 1% above crazification with white women with college degrees.

  190. 190.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 19, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @piratedan: Cream cheese sculpture sez what?

  191. 191.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @Baud: nope, 39% still too high.

  192. 192.

    hovercraft

    October 19, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @amk:
    But what does the CBS poll say?
    And what was the Drudge number?

  193. 193.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 19, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    I didn’t see a sign of Sarah P., the Benghazi mother, Obama’s half-bro, and whomever else Trump had as guests. Did any of the channels/networks show them? Seems to me like a lot of wasted money and effort.

  194. 194.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @amk: A single poll will be off the average.

  195. 195.

    Anoniminous

    October 19, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:

    I have a question and I want you to think carefully before answering …

    What is your position on Marmite?

  196. 196.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Now there was a man who knew how to deal with nasty women.

  197. 197.

    Gravenstone

    October 19, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @khead: Tres Hombres

  198. 198.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: lol..yeah she is…I was just messin with ya…

    Alright, Off to bed for real now.

    Just wanted to say, I’m not much a fan of Richard Engel…thought I know folks seems to like him…

    There I said it…been holding on to that for a while…lol

    Good night

  199. 199.

    The Lodger

    October 19, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    Jake Tapper: “He did this in the first debate, the second debate, and the third debate. He keeps on taking the bait.”
    Maybe that’s why they call them debates. He keeps on taking de bait.

  200. 200.

    PsiFighter37

    October 19, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    @amk: That’s closer than I would have thought…..

  201. 201.

    NotMax

    October 19, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Gin & Tonic

    Not Go, per se, but rarely get an opportunity to tuck it into a conversation.

    Herman Hesse’s The Glass Bead Game (a/k/a Magister Ludi) is a fine novel as well.

    @dmsilev

    You mean the Lesbian Indoctrination Program for Girls Loving Others of Same Sex (LIPGLOSS)?

    /rwnj

  202. 202.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: It depends on the audience. As I indicated when you mentioned my comment earlier, I’ve used it several times in briefings and you’d be amazed that there are senior officers that have no idea what it is. So after the first couple of times I go with “go – the classic Chinese game of strategy that focuses on controlling space and encircling your opponent.”

  203. 203.

    redshirt

    October 19, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    To quote Josh Marshall again, it doesn’t matter who “wins” debates, it only matters how they effect the election.

    Hillary once again put Donald completely on defense and at the same time articulated her views in a positive way. She dominated him, and as we’ve seen, Donald will react negatively to this for days to come, with but a few weeks till the election.

  204. 204.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @The Lodger:

    Jake Tapper: “He did this in the first debate, the second debate, and the third debate. He keeps on taking the bait.”

    …now imagine him being baited by every foreign leader that he sits down to negotiate with.

  205. 205.

    Corner Stone

    October 19, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: I’ll give you a proper jam you old bag of bones. Now piss off from slagging a right middle class delight of PB&J.

  206. 206.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    I don’t like Marmite. It tastes like you licked a prison cell wall. However, my sexy Australian friend introduced me to Vegemite on hot buttered toast and now I am addicted.

  207. 207.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @amk: I think you may want to rephrase this:

    the dick is closer to my ceiling of 35%.

    Just saying…

  208. 208.

    redshirt

    October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: I saw Sister Sarah in the after debate crowd scenes.

    Who cares about her anymore? Not I.

  209. 209.

    Steeplejack

    October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @scav:

    When I was a little kid in England (late ’50s) it was Snakes and Ladders. I guess Wikipedia would tell me how/why it got sanitized. Too lazy to look right now.

  210. 210.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    Hayes is right about the debate polls

    Christopher Hayes Verified account
    ‏@chrislhayes

    Christopher Hayes Retweeted Taniel

    At this point I think it’s basically recording people’s candidate preference.

  211. 211.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @Percysowner:

    The good news is Georgia started early voting this week, so he can have already voted. Bat news, the lines were FOUR HOURS long at some precincts.

    Four to five hours in my county (Gwinnett), at least on Monday. I trained with the state to do voter protection/poll watching, and they are expecting huge numbers Sunday morning in south Fulton (“souls to polls”) and have put out a call for anyone available to let them know. I’ve said I’m available if needed.

  212. 212.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @Anoniminous: She is in Australia, not England. Down under it’s Vegemite.

  213. 213.

    scav

    October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: If the kids get swallowed at the top and the going down the snake involves digestion, well, it captures a certain childhood gore and is a good excuse to stop for a round of I’m Being Swallowed by a Boa Constrictor. Might be a definitive end to the game though, so we’d have to have a combination of slidey snakes and eaty snakes. Maybe even a constrictor snake, so you might get stuck halfway down until you rolled a get-out-of-snake number.

  214. 214.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @The Lodger: lulz.

  215. 215.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Fuck the middle class. I’m a bit turned on now.

  216. 216.

    Anoniminous

    October 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    #nastywoman is trending on Twitter

    Trump is such an ass

  217. 217.

    dmsilev

    October 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @NotMax: There is actually a right-wing version of the Girl Scouts (I forget the name) started because the actual Girl Scouts were insisting on trying to instill icky values into their members, such as things like self-confidence and self-reliance.

  218. 218.

    D58826

    October 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @Millard Filmore: Even Richard Engle on MSNBC seems top have lost his mind over Mosul. Now maybe they launched the offense in October rather than next March so that Obama can, hopefully, claim a victory.But even the moon rocks in Houston knew that the Iraqi government was going to try and recapture Mosul and drive ISIS out of the country. But then I guess Hitler didn’t know that the Allies planned on capturing Berlin till the Red Army showed up outside the bunker.

  219. 219.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    October 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    Marmite

    Isn’t that just a phonetic spelling of how you pronounce “Mermaid” in Australia?

  220. 220.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @Elie: I’m sure you are.

  221. 221.

    Mike in NC

    October 19, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    Bigly? Big league? What the fuck does that even mean?

  222. 222.

    Aleta

    October 19, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    Trump didn’t exactly concede the election to this president until about a month ago did he ?

  223. 223.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    My thoughts on the 3 main debates this season from the previous thread.

    The 2nd debate was planned low key by HRC…let Trump tapes do what they needed.

    Hilz camp knows that less folks than the past 2 debates will be watching this one.

    The folks who ARE watching…journos…narrative makers…will be watching to see i they can set the “stop the bleeding” narrative

    Hilz came prepared to cut in a 1000 little strategic places that will not cause gushing injury, but a slow steady bleeding…long enough to last…what 19 days?

  224. 224.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    My mother used to try to make me eat Marmite. I used to stick the bits of toast to the bottom of the dining table and have the footmen go and pick them off afterwards. Filthy muck.

  225. 225.

    Anoniminous

    October 19, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:

    OK, you passed

  226. 226.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You play?

  227. 227.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 19, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @Anoniminous: I’m wondering if it will have an effect like when that TX good ol’ boy refused to shake Ann Richards’ hand, but then It think there can’t be many moveable voters left.

  228. 228.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    LOLGOP @LOLGOP

    Trump had Obama’s half-brother and half Obama’s approval rating.
    9:12 AM – 20 Oct 2016

    so, how did that stupid stunt work out for ya, donnie?

  229. 229.

    Bill Arnold

    October 19, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):

    …he called Secretary Clinton a “nasty woman” for reelz?

    Yes, he did. Clearly. Enunciated.

  230. 230.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:46 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: I find both about equally revolting.

  231. 231.

    Steeplejack

    October 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Baud:

    You dodged a bullet. They were both loathsome. The only plus was that they had to endure being questioned by Tweety.

    And now I’m over to MeTV for a palate-cleansing episode of Perry Mason, where the rule of law is always respected.

  232. 232.

    Anoniminous

    October 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It’s a world wide plague. I have seen it on shelves – right out where little helpless children can see it – in Albuquerque.

  233. 233.

    Ruckus

    October 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:
    And Marmite sounds like something you’d use to spackle holes in drywall. Not all that appetizing.

  234. 234.

    Corner Stone

    October 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: I didn’t say “the middle class” you old scow.
    Anyone who can not enjoy and appreciate a PB&J, yet extols the virtues of Vegemite?
    Fucking Vegemite? Get Thee behind me, Satan!

  235. 235.

    WaterGirl

    October 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    Heading for bed, just want to share two thoughts. First, Hillary did a great job. Second, I am wondering how you can run for president of the united states when you clearly don’t believe in democracy?

  236. 236.

    Gravenstone

    October 19, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @The Lodger: So a man you can bait on Twitter is also a man you can bait in person. This should suprise anyone, how?

  237. 237.

    Baud

    October 19, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @WaterGirl: I did it!

  238. 238.

    amk

    October 19, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    igorvolsky
    ✔
    @igorvolsky

    One of the Trump sons just told Fox News that being president will be “a step down” for his father.

    8:46 AM – 20 Oct 2016

  239. 239.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    @scav:

    If the kids get swallowed at the top and the going down the snake involves digestion, well, it captures a certain childhood gore and is a good excuse to stop for a round of I’m Being Swallowed by a Boa Constrictor. Might be a definitive end to the game though, so we’d have to have a combination of slidey snakes and eaty snakes. Maybe even a constrictor snake, so you might get stuck halfway down until you rolled a get-out-of-snake number.

    And then the king gets deposed in a stunning turn of events and the Culture imposes benevolent mechanicracy?

  240. 240.

    The Moar You Know

    October 19, 2016 at 11:48 pm

    Bigly?

    @Mike in NC: Actually a real word, in both the OED and Webster’s. I was stunned.

  241. 241.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Hewitt needs to remember there is recorded audio of him trying to lead Trump to Hewitt’s interpretation of what Trump means when he says that President Obama and Secretary Clinton founded ISIS. Trump corrected Hewitt and told him no, he literally means that they founded ISIS and are the ISIS MVPs.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis-2016-8

  242. 242.

    Original Lee

    October 19, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: ROFL. You owe me another box of Girl Scout cookies. I was eating some Samoas and dropped the box on the floor, canine vacuum cleaners finished them up. There’s 16 in a box and I’d only had 2.

  243. 243.

    NotMax

    October 19, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @Corner Stone

    There’s an upscale restaurant in either Miami or Miami Beach which boasts of pioneering the peanut butter, jelly and lobster sandwich.

  244. 244.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Palin was shown with Pence in a post debate shot.

  245. 245.

    Alain the site fixer

    October 19, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: words in email ddresses or if an email address was added to the block list that’s part of his (blocking [email protected] blocked all folks ending in that address and doomed their comments straight to trash). That’s most likely. @Omnes Omnibus: did you change email addresses recently?

  246. 246.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Very hot toast. Scads of butter. Tiny dabs of Vegemite. Yum.

  247. 247.

    chris

    October 19, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Per the Guardian, Princess Dumbass was in the spin room saying Trump would concede. If the results were legit.

  248. 248.

    scav

    October 19, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @Steeplejack: It is all right there. Blame it on Milton Bradley in the US. Comes from India, so the snakes are far more interesting than otherwise.

  249. 249.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @NotMax: *That* is disgusting.

  250. 250.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 19, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Does that mean I’m being top? I’ll get out my pegging harness.

  251. 251.

    Lyrebird

    October 19, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: @lamh36:

    (smiling)

    Heck, I’m a straight girl with no cable tv and even I’ve got some kind of crush on Joy Ann, or at least I love it when she crushes evasion and duplicity!

  252. 252.

    Steeplejack

    October 19, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    FYWP doesn’t like sheeple. Go figure.

  253. 253.

    Peale

    October 19, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    @Millard Filmore: paratroopers. There isn’t a battle where battalions of Iraqi paratroopers couldn’t be used. Plus could’ntb’Seal Teams 1-3 just helicopter in and take the city? I’ve seem pictures of the city. It doesn’t seem that big. A lot like La Crosse, Wisconsin. Paratroopers could totally take La Crosse.

  254. 254.

    Suzanne

    October 19, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    I had a parent-teacher conference for Spawn the Younger, so I am just now watching the debate. What a fucking shitshow. I am tempted to have an abortion and film it and make him watch it, Clockwork Orange-style.

  255. 255.

    Anoniminous

    October 19, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    As Bill E Pilgrim wrote:

    Most campaign manuals will tell you that “avoid becoming a complete national joke” is one of the most important tips.

    It’s got to lose him votes and have an negative effect on turnout. Think how we’d feel if a Democrat was up there doing that high school crap.

  256. 256.

    Steeplejack

    October 19, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    FYWP doesn’t like the word that rhymes with people. Not even when I break it up with HTML codes. Go figure.

  257. 257.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 19, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: Pics or GTFO.

  258. 258.

    lamh36

    October 19, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    Go home Kelly Ann…you’re drunk…

    @KellyannePolls 1h1 hour ago
    Hearing privately from many reporters that Hillary had a “terrible night” & Trump had best debate. Hope this will make it into print, on air

  259. 259.

    Gravenstone

    October 19, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: Brain bleach !!1!!

  260. 260.

    scav

    October 19, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: But only if the lowest ranked pawn’s elbow is on an orange square. If it’s on green, everyone’s suddenly wearing a goatee and we have to switch to the 20-sided dice with negative numbers.

  261. 261.

    Alain the site fixer

    October 19, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Steeplejack: email me via form so I can track down filter malfunction.

  262. 262.

    Peale

    October 19, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Suzanne: would you wait until one day before the last day of your pregnancy?

  263. 263.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Not well because not enough. I need to download an app onto my iPad and get some time in. I like to use the game as a great example of how strategy has to differ for (some types) of asymmetric warfare.

  264. 264.

    Ken

    October 19, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall:

    A friend pointed out a poll the other day where Trump was only 1% above crazification with white women with college degrees.

    Most people would ask themselves “What am I doing wrong?” Trump asks “Why are women allowed to go to college and vote?”

  265. 265.

    zach

    October 19, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @PPCLI: “That [calling Mosul a wag-the-dog operation] was the moment in the debate that I thought was absolutely most delusional.”

    Yet all of the left-ish commentators I follow haven’t mentioned it once…

    I only tuned into the last 20 minutes of the debate on the radio and that was the first segment I heard… so I guess I wasn’t bored into submission like everyone else (and everyone else was probably already working on their debate recap post simultaneously).

  266. 266.

    RandomMonster

    October 19, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): Yeah, she landed a nice pointed barb about him paying more taxes — unless he finds a way out of it — and he used that term.

  267. 267.

    Truegster

    October 19, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    I think Hillz plays three-dimensional chess in her spare time, unlike Obama. The three debates as a whole, are like a series of traps and pitfalls perfectly designed for Trump. She always played it safe af, you could hardly script it better. Better than Obama who lost one and never baited his opponent like she did.

  268. 268.

    JordanRules

    October 19, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @lamh36: Well you loon, you’re unfortunately on the air too much so you can spout that nonsense all you want but be prepared for all the side eyes and push back your lying ass is going to get.

  269. 269.

    NotMax

    October 19, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @Peale

    Population of Mosul pre-Daesh was more than 2 million.

    Population of La Crosse ~52,000.

  270. 270.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 19, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Alain the site fixer: Then we need to fix that. Can you get with me offline tomorrow please?

  271. 271.

    Peale

    October 20, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @NotMax: well, snark aside, the fact that you ended up looking up the population of La Crosse on a Wednesday night amuses me bigly.

  272. 272.

    smintheus

    October 20, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @amk: That needs to be the centerpiece of a new Clinton ad. Says it all about the Trumps, the whole rotten bunch.

  273. 273.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 20, 2016 at 12:01 am

    @Lyrebird: She is the best interviewer on the cable and broadcast news networks.

  274. 274.

    Ken

    October 20, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @amk:

    being president will be “a step down” for his father.

    And the grapes are sour too.

  275. 275.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 20, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Peale: Can’t tell if you’re serious or yanking Fillmore’s chain. If you’re serious, the short answer is: no.

  276. 276.

    Vhh

    October 20, 2016 at 12:04 am

    @Jeffro: Then there is the trial go alleged rape if 13 yr old girl in December. Reportedly, there was a witness.

  277. 277.

    Aleta

    October 20, 2016 at 12:04 am

    Yesterday Conway literally said “He has a four point plan to defeat Islam.”

  278. 278.

    catclub

    October 20, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @NotMax: I am very partial to salty ham in a PB&J

  279. 279.

    randy khan

    October 20, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @redshirt: We can only hope.

  280. 280.

    Peale

    October 20, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @Adam L Silverman: paratroopers could too take La Crosse. It’s barely defended at all.

    I think the polls are getting to my head. I’ll stop now.

  281. 281.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2016 at 12:05 am

    “Will you concede if you lose the electoral vote total?”

    “That’s a gotcha question, not gonna go there.”

  282. 282.

    Soprano2

    October 20, 2016 at 12:06 am

    I watched CBS and saw Frank Luntz’s group. Even he is impatient with undecided voters at this point. He kept asking them “What do you want?” It was funny.

  283. 283.

    Steeplejack

    October 20, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Thank you for mentioning this. I thought she looked particularly haggard tonight but was too gentlemanly to bring it up.

  284. 284.

    amk

    October 20, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @Ken: self-important pricks. did not fall far from the tree.

  285. 285.

    JR in WV

    October 20, 2016 at 12:08 am

    @TaMara (HFG):

    Yes, he did, near the end, while she was speaking. He leaned into his microphone and stage whispered into it “Such a nasty woman!”

    Like seeing someone you really hate lose the game set and match all at once. And of course, she probably didn’t even hear it, but everyone else did, and mostly were repelled.

  286. 286.

    JR in WV

    October 20, 2016 at 12:11 am

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:

    O my Gawd, it does, if fuckin’ does. Wonderful.

  287. 287.

    Steeplejack

    October 20, 2016 at 12:12 am

    @eric:

    Their live album, Bigly!, was pretty good.

  288. 288.

    redshirt

    October 20, 2016 at 12:12 am

    @Soprano2: I watched that too. I Lol’d. Luntz in his hipster sneakers yelling at his focus group “What do you want?!”

    Ah, the undecided voter. A true American Idiot.

  289. 289.

    redshirt

    October 20, 2016 at 12:13 am

    @Steeplejack: They sold out. Billboard numbers are rigged.

  290. 290.

    sukabi

    October 20, 2016 at 12:16 am

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: omg that’s funny…

    And yes, yes they did.

  291. 291.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 20, 2016 at 12:18 am

    @Peale: La Crosse yes. Could US paratroopers take Mosul? Most likely, but we don’t do single element fights anymore. We use Joint Force approaches and even on the Landpower side its always combined arms. Under Force Modularity almost every brigade combat team is configured as a combined arms element.

    The real issue with Mosul is how dug in ISIL is? How have they booby trapped the city? (they did this in Ramadi and Fallujah) Are they going to use the civilians in Mosul as hostages/human shields?

  292. 292.

    Elizabelle

    October 20, 2016 at 12:20 am

    @piratedan: I am MSNBC free. It feels wonderful.

    You’d be amazed how little Tweety comes up. As in, never. And I am done with Trump and/or Republican surrogates. Been there, done that, where’s the remote.

  293. 293.

    Sarah, Proud and Tall

    October 20, 2016 at 12:20 am

    @scav:

    We play the purple square variation in our neck of the woods. And the mallet. Don’t forget the mallet.

  294. 294.

    NotMax

    October 20, 2016 at 12:21 am

    @Adam L Silverman

    They’ve already set nearby oil fields ablaze to try to impede troop movements.

  295. 295.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 20, 2016 at 12:23 am

    @NotMax: Not surprising.

  296. 296.

    Steeplejack

    October 20, 2016 at 12:24 am

    @redshirt:

    Heh, that was pretty good.

  297. 297.

    sukabi

    October 20, 2016 at 12:34 am

    @amk: inflated ego delusions seems to run in the family…

    Know what else would be a step down? The park bench after he loses.

  298. 298.

    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    October 20, 2016 at 12:41 am

    @Anoniminous:

    It’s got to lose him votes and have an negative effect on turnout. Think how we’d feel if a Democrat was up there doing that high school crap.

    If it was, I know I’d have a relapse and be curled up right now with an empty 1.75L Jim Beam bottle.

  299. 299.

    Steeplejack

    October 20, 2016 at 12:41 am

    @scav:

    I figured as much. I quite liked the elaborate, colorful Snakes and Ladders board I had. My father was in the Air Force, and we spent three rainy years in Ealing when he was stationed at Ruislip. We lived “on the economy,” as it was called (off-base housing), and I was quite the proper English schoolboy.

  300. 300.

    redshirt

    October 20, 2016 at 12:47 am

    @Steeplejack: Someone got it! Thanks.

  301. 301.

    Steeplejack

    October 20, 2016 at 12:50 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I used to play a lot. I spent my last two years of high school in Japan (Okinawa) and got into go, as well as the books of Kawabata, Mishima, Kobo Abe and other writers. Kawabata’s Thousand Cranes is one of my favorite novels.

    Always had a hard time finding other people who knew the game and wanted to play, and I probably gave up looking at just the wrong time—right before the Internet.

    Do you know of a good computer version (Windows or Android)?

  302. 302.

    Steeplejack

    October 20, 2016 at 12:56 am

    @redshirt:

    I have heard that the bootleg studio demo tapes are awesome. Can’t rig that!

  303. 303.

    Eugene in Eugene

    October 20, 2016 at 1:23 am

    @Baud:

    Serbians hate her.

    You won’t believe number seven!

  304. 304.

    redshirt

    October 20, 2016 at 1:29 am

    @Eugene in Eugene: There are Four Lights!

  305. 305.

    NotoriousJRT

    October 20, 2016 at 1:44 am

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Oh, won’t you tell us now, Adam? I could use a bedtime story out here on the left coast. BW is such a dope.

  306. 306.

    NotoriousJRT

    October 20, 2016 at 1:53 am

    @MobiusKlein:
    I was on my way home from work and to the polls when the race was called for Reagan. It was demoralizing (my first election on the WC), but I went and cast my ballot anyway.

  307. 307.

    different-church-lady

    October 20, 2016 at 2:21 am

    Wallace thinks he’s refereeing a chess match. Clinton is playing go. Trump is playing chutes and ladders.

    At this point Trump is only playing the chutes part.

  308. 308.

    craigie

    October 20, 2016 at 2:27 am

    @SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
    I think we are to the point where we can build the Universal Trump Emulator. Works on any subject! Sad!

  309. 309.

    redshirt

    October 20, 2016 at 2:36 am

    @different-church-lady: And so bigly!

  310. 310.

    David Evans

    October 20, 2016 at 5:39 am

    @Sarah, Proud and Tall: Wrong but logical, just like American spelling. When did you last see anyone sliding down a snake?

  311. 311.

    Joel

    October 20, 2016 at 7:32 am

    @Gin & Tonic: you can buy Marmite in Australia; they are different brands. Vegemite is far more popular since Marmite is an import.

  312. 312.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 20, 2016 at 9:16 am

    @NotMax: Late to the thread, as always, but what the hell:

    NC has a town named Toast. Perfect for DT to relocate there.

    I’d sentence him to live out the remainder of his mortal existence within an ankle bracelet’s range of the hoosegow in Truth or Consequences, NM. Emphasis on consequences.

  313. 313.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 20, 2016 at 9:42 am

    @Corner Stone: Cosign. Retro me, SPaTanus! :p

  314. 314.

    Uncle Cosmo

    October 20, 2016 at 9:53 am

    @redshirt:

    Luntz in his hipster sneakers yelling at his focus group “What do you want?!”

    The Shadows’ question from Babylon 5. Like Luntz, not nice life forms.

    He should’ve asked the Vorlons’ question: Who are you? Preferably in the Pete Townshend version (the part they cut from the CSI theme song):

    Who the fuck are you???

    Ah, the undecided voter. A true American Idiot.

    QFT.

  315. 315.

    Dave

    October 20, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Trump’s concession speech, if he makes one, will be less than 147 characters.

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