Creepy sheepy!
I can’t sleep for some reason. I’m happy that Clinton kicked Trump’s ass all over the debate stage. But the whole spectacle has been deeply disquieting.
The only acceptable outcome is a beat-down of historic proportions. Let’s make it so.
amk
even qunnipiac has her leading by 7 in national polls. you should sleep easy.
Sarah, Proud and Tall
Given that the third debate was basically a beat down of historic proportions…
Cat48
I’m ready for a beat down. I want a lot of teabaggers to lose their gerrymandered seat they thought were safe. An extreme cleaning until Nancy gets her gavel back and the Senate back. It would be the only thing that would have made all this unpleasantness worth it. sigh. I can’t sleep either.
Jim Parene
I can’t sleep, either. The whole spectacle of Donnie Unhinged is very disturbing. During the 15 minutes that I watched the disgrace, I kept thinking: this is not real. This can’t be real.
On the other hand, Hilary crushed it, him and them. I want my President to be prepared, un-flappable, brilliant and able to think clearly while dealing with a volatile situation, involving an abusive bully.
daves09
Pardon my shallowness, but what kind of a person wears a grey suit, pink shirt and shiny yellow tie. Other than Trump Jr.
That whole family is just wrong in every possible way-bless their hearts,
Mary G
I’m ready to kick ass and take names.
amk
Mary G
Somebody registered nastywomengetshitdone dot com after the debate tonight. It redirects to Hillary’s site.
amk
@Mary G: LOL. Her team is good.
TriassicSands
@Sarah, Proud and Tall:
Yet, polls have her winning by the smallest margin of the three debates. Trump was the most controlled in this debate of any of the three, but in the end his “nasty woman” comment once again showed that he can’t control himself and he is relentlessly negative. The nastiest presidential candidate in memory calls his opponent — who never appeared nasty at all — nasty. While it was business as usual for Trump, it somehow stood out as an especially inappropriate comment.
The man is his own worst enemy and this country’s worst imaginable presidential prospect.
It’s frightening how many Americans still see Trump as the answer to their problems. Anyone who sees Trump as the solution to anything has such serious problems that no president will ever help fix them.
Brachiator
Didn’t watch the debate and am kinda glad I skipped it. Maybe I will watch a replay or clips later. It’s good to hear that Clinton slapped him around, and did it with dignity.
I did see the “nasty woman” clip. Despicable. But typical Trump. He mocks men, but invariably tries to come up with some remark to demean any woman who stands up to him. And his little quislings always try to explain it away.
Was there ever any explanation about Trump’s thing with bringing Obama’s half brother to the debate?
I really want to see Trump defeated and defeated hard and definitively. Hell, I wouldn’t mind seeing Hillary get 110 percent of the vote. You know, like one of the election victories of Trump’s buddy Putin. Not like those elections are rigged or anything.
hovercraft
@Sarah, Proud and Tall: @TriassicSands:
The top line number was only 52 to 39
but the “Who seemed better prepared for the presidency?” number was much better 59 to 35.
So I think she did great. He needed to beat her, and some talking head said he won the award for most improved, which is not going to cut it.
She crawls into bed. Goodnight.
Botsplainer
Still over the Arctic Circle – guessing we’ll be crossing over Russian airspace into Siberia in about an hour.
Divf
@Botsplainer: flying from / to where?
TriassicSands
@Cat48:
If that is true — the Dems have to take the presidency, Senate, and House to make this campaign worth enduring — then I fear you may be setting yourself up for disappointment. If the Dems can elect HRC and gain control of the Senate, it will have been worth it and a great success. The likelihood of a House majority is just too remote to be made a condition of success. It would be wonderful, but it is probably too much to ask.
Damien
So let’s assume for the moment that Trump refuses to accept the election results; are we taking straight up insurrection, or just low-level revenge violence against women and minorities?
Botsplainer
@Divf:
Chicago to Beijing.
amk
@Damien: Neither. His alt-reich base of cowards will just slink away. I wouldn’t be surprised to know that his scum base already considers him as a loser.
CZanne
If you want to/need to sleep but can’t, find something like a classical music with more 80s-2000’s pop influence. Bond, mylene Klass, Black violin, or VNV Nation (album Resonance for this purpose) (all can be streamed, by YouTube if nobody else has them,) You want the pop influence because that will keep your playlist from being a Baroque Top 40, which you likely know, and already have associations. The crescendo and diminuendo are in a smaller range on modern chamber classical and while the music rewards close listening, you can just be quiet in a dark room with new sounds. Breathe with the music. Music has certain abilities to disengage the worry-fret chatter center in the frontal cortex, and unfamiliar music (not your daily pop) pushes you to pay attention instead of getting distracted about the phone bill. It;s basically meditation with just a little bit of something to distract the goblin that won’t shut its Shutty face.
If there’s no reason to sleep, enjoy the schadenfruede. If you make the pie or the custard, I get to lick the bowl.
Skippy-san
It is hard to sleep when the prospect of Armageddon looms if Trump wins.
Trump can die in a fire.
Steeplejack (phone)
Test: does the word sheep cause problems?
. . . Apparently not.
CZanne
@hovercraft: the most improved award is mostly a participation award with better pr. Not that we should spread that around, and continuous improvement should be rewarded, but we ain’t playing Pop Warner.
Brachiator
@Damien:
None of the above. Trump will slink away like the coward that he is, and his supporters will go back into their basements.
Cat48
@TriassicSands:
I would settle for Senate, but even GOP thinks the House could go either way, depending on the size of the loss.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
What did I miss?
John Weiss
I make it a point to be calm. There’s lots of bad shit in the world, but plenty of good as well.
Donald has managed to piss me off. That little parting shot of his makes my blood boil. He’ll decide whether he’ll accept the outcome of the election?! Sorry folks. I truly would kill that motherfucker if I saw him. The Donald is a living example of un-American. A deplorable person.
I’m going to have some rum and try to get over it. As one of my late (great) friends put it, “Get over your cheap self!”.
NotMax
@Brachiator
Attempted explanation. May be entirely as stated at the link, no interest in deep exploration of the fright right’s weird obsessions.
craigie
With the caveat that I don’t know anything about anything, my read of this whole cycle has been that Trump motivated people who normally don’t vote much. If it seems – as it now does – that the whole world is expecting him to lose, those folks will probably not vote some more. Which could mean an extra point or two in the Dem column in lots of places.
Or there could be a plague of frogs, followed by a Trump presidency. Followed by the end of the world.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Steeplejack (phone): I think it’s just sheep people, concatenated.
NotMax
Tried imagining any conversation between Sarah Palin and Wayne Newton in the Trump guest seats, but the mind rebelled and refused to do so.
Cermet
@Damien:
This isn’t an issue at all if the thug congress – that is the house – follows through on what they say and accept’s the election result. Once certified, the election is over and the President elect is officially confirmed. There is no higher authority to appeal to or argue with – the courts have zero authority on this issue – it is spelled out in the constitution clearly. Game is absolutely over in all legal senses of the word. The tRump can whine till the sheep come home all he wants but Hillary takes the oath of office.
sukabi
@hovercraft:
Ummmm, someone should clue them in that we’re not talking about a kids T-Ball game… He literally gets points for not taking an actual dump on the stage…comments and “insights” like that should disqualify them from their own jobs. Probably get better analysis from any of the mysterious undecided voters.
Botsplainer
I can see Russia from my plane!
Some Dude
@hovercraft:
And he certainly wasn’t going to get Miss Congeniality…
sukabi
@craigie: I’m betting that the folks he’s motivating the most are ones that will be voting AGAINST him.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Botsplainer: Wave to Snowden.
Divf
@Botsplainer: way cool!
My flying days go back to the era when you couldn’t fly over the ussr, so going from Europe to eastern Asia involved stopping in Anchorage for an hour or so. The post cold-war era, for all its faults, is a happier and safer place.
Vhh
@Cermet: Guess you were on another planet when Gore beat Bush in 2000.
Vhh
@Botsplainer: But is Putin looming?
Cermet
@Vhh: Apparently, you were not on this planet – lol- note that first, the courts were in a rush because once Congress carried its job through, it was over. Exactly where did I say the courts can’t act before the election is certified by congress? That’s right, I didn’t say that at all. Second, Congress did certify the election results and the the election was over with bush as the president elect. Exactly what don’t you understand here?
Schlemazel
@Damien:
Low level revenge strikes against soft targets. Individual women, people of color, LGBT, Jews, Muslims Planned Parenthood and other organizations that help those folks or places they worship. These are devote cowards we are talking about they won’t attack anything approaching an equal let alone a force greater than theirs. They might throw in a couple of OK City level events.
I expect some of this even if the cheeto turd does accept his ass kicking. He and his creators and enablers have activated those people & they are not going to not seek some sort of revenge against those of us they believe took was is rightfully theirs.
[email protected]amk: I hope you are right but I don’t know how the hot boil Trump has them at cools that quickly. I think he may have done more damage than we know & Putin is laughing with delight.
Patricia Kayden
@TriassicSands: Anyone who sees Trump as the solution is a bigot. There is no other explanation for why you would support a clearly unqualified, inarticulate Bigot. Trump has made it plain that he is neither presidential nor a decent human being. His candidacy has been nothing but embarrassing for Republicans. I really hope it hastens the downward spiral of that Party.
greennotGreen
@Patricia Kayden: Actually, I think some of Trump’s appeal to his followers is his 4th grade level speaking style. He doesn’t say much and he repeats a lot, so they understand what little information he has to give.
On the other hand, when Hillary or another adult starts talking policy and actual facts, it’s too much input for their limited intelligence, and all they hear is, “Blah, blah, blah.”
So while I’d put about 60% of Trump’s minions in the basket of Deplorables because of their obvious racial animus, I suspect the remaining 40% belong in the basket of “a few cards short of a full deck.”
p.a.
I want an election day such that on Nov. 9, Yertle gets a call from a laughing PBO saying, “Hey Mitch, how’s Merrick Garland look now!”
Poopyman
@Patricia Kayden: This is not a downward spiral, this is a vertical dive, trailing smoke and flames. This whole circus has shaken Republicans I know, making them question what it is, exactly, that they’re willing to support.
I don’t think the GOP will ever be the same again.
Mustang Bobby
@Botsplainer: I hope you’re at least in business class; that’s a long, long flight. Safe travels.
OzarkHillbilly
@Poopyman: It is going to take a little bit. The Repubs who get reelected will continue to think everything is just fine… for them. The GOP will change, demographics alone say it has to if it wants to survive. I wouldn’t put a time line on it tho. They first have to come to terms with how damaged they are, and everything I hear so many of them say and see so many of them do tells me a lot of them don’t even think they have a problem.
MattF
@p.a.: I’ve been thinking for a while that Garland should withdraw from consideration after the election. Unfortunate, but it would be a move in favor of constitutional government.
TriassicSands
@greennotGreen:
Listening to Trump, I feel like brain cells are dying. He sounds like such an idiot. I haven’t seen any evidence that he is capable of speaking at a higher grade level. Donnie has a fourth grade vocabulary to complement his fourth grade level of understanding. Every program of his that he describes at all is described at a fourth grade level of complexity. I don’t think he’s capable of any deeper understanding.
The other day I commented about someone I once knew who would preface statements that were completely untrue with the words: “You ain’t gonna believe this, but it’s no booooooooooshit.” (Really drawing out the bull part, which he pronounced “boo.”) One of Trump’s verbal tics — in the form of repetition — is to say “Believe me” a lot. Since almost none of what Trump says is true, he reminds me of the “booooooshitter, ” except Trump is much more evil and dangerous.
amk
@OzarkHillbilly: As long as the voters keep electing them to the house and senate and at state levels, the gopee establishment will not change. As usual, it’s up to the dems to deny them those seats by turning up for every fucking election.
Anne Laurie
@MattF:
My dream outcome? Garland offers to withdraw; HRC says no, tells Congress to do its damned job and either accept or reject him… because she’s got her own list of really progressive candidates, if they continue to drag tails.
Clinton’s liable to have at least one more pick after Garland (who’s a perfectly acceptable center-leftist, if not quite as young as some Dems would like).
satby
@Anne Laurie: My dream outcome too, Garland is a good jurist who hasn’t deserved the way he’s been treated. And there’s at least two other SC judges who may be ready to retire once a Democrat gets into office to replace them with sane candidates.
Another Scott
@Brachiator:
I saw the whole thing. It was amazing the way she took him apart. The clips don’t really do it justice.
E.g. The way his eyes got big and he did a “wha? you’re questioning me?!” shrug when Wallace asked him about his statement that Aleppo had “fallen”. It was quite a contrast to his squinty-eyed sour-puss expression that he had most of the night. (He seems to think that that is his “strong leader He-Man look”.
He’s an incompetent, dangerous, clown who doesn’t know anything and can’t even recite canned talking points as well as Rubio.
I think this was her best debate of the three. I would like to think that she would convince anyone who still had doubts about her if they had watched, but I know most of that is wishful thinking on my part.
This AM on Morning Edition the guy (Ari?) asked 4 voters their impressions. One woman in particular was reciting the Teabagger talking points better than Donnie did, complaining that “Hillary called me Deplorable!!” and all the rest. Sad! Let’s hope that she is an outlier.
Cheers,
Scott.
Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)
To me, Hillary’s weakest moment was at the beginning when she answered the question about the 2nd amendment.
I would have liked to see her answer something like “Yes, SCOTUS did say that reasonable regulation is allowed. The problem is that for many people the only reasonable regulation is no regulation, and in a democracy, that sort of lockstep fanaticism can’t stand. That is the reason I’d like to see Heller overturned.”
Of course, Trump then rode to her rescue with his repetitive drivel.
The after-debate from some of his supporters is laughable, especially this one: Hillary Committed Treason by saying that it takes 4 minutes between launch order & nukes flying.
Other than that I think she did quite well and came off as Presidential.
Unlike the Orange One.
Elizabelle
@Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman): Yeah. I came in on the 2nd amendment Hillary response during the live broadcast, and really did not like the way she presented it.
However, she knows what she’s doing, election in mere weeks, and she has lots of time for the bully pulpit after.
Elizabelle
Incidentally, I like the sheep photograph.
They’re looking in, for protection or company or curiosity, even food.
JR in WV
Sheep freaked me, terrible carnivorous sheep~~!!!
Betty, I also had trouble going to sleep after the 2nd debate, watching that creeper looming behind Madame President to be. It was like 4:30 after that one. Last night I stayed up to update the laptops, and was sound asleep by a little after 1. I don’t think the debate had much to do with it, I’m just a bit of a night owl.
The sheeple picture is great!!