Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Despite his magical powers, I don’t think Trump is thinking this through, to be honest.

We’re not going back!

We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

“I never thought they’d lock HIM up,” sobbed a distraught member of the Lock Her Up Party.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

… gradually, and then suddenly.

I was confident that someone would point it out and thought why not me.

Democrats are back in array!

There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

I did not have this on my fuck 2024 bingo card.

We won’t go back.

Even though I know this is a bad idea, I’m off to do it anyway!

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

Many life forms that would benefit from greater intelligence, sadly, do not have it.

When you’re in more danger from the IDF than from Russian shelling, that’s really bad.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

They’re not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

Insiders who complain to politico: please report to the white house office of shut the fuck up.

Every reporter and pundit should have to declare if they ever vacationed with a billionaire.

Maybe you would prefer that we take Joelle’s side in ALL CAPS?

Republicans firmly believe having an abortion is a very personal, very private decision between a woman and J.D. Vance.

At some point, the ability to learn is a factor of character, not IQ.

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  3. 3.

    Trentrunner

    Just as CNN tells me “polls are narrowing.” Yes, please scare us all into voting, CNN.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    Doesn’t tell you who to vote for, but even your low-info acquaintances will be able to figure it out.

    Baud!

  5. 5.

    The Thin Black Duke

    Early voting in Massachusetts today, yahoo! I did it and it felt good. Ignored the obnoxious Jill Stein supporter who was yelling at people.

  10. 10.

    Keith G

    @Trentrunner: The polls are expected to narrow, as GOP types come home to their (fucked up) party. They won’t narrow enough to change the top card, but those undercard races will get pinched a bit.

  11. 11.

    JPL

    Like father like son, is just a phrase, but for Donald it’s a way of life. That video is a reminder about his campaign and how he thinks of the others.

  12. 12.

    Baud

    TPM’s summary

    It could be a topsy turvy 12 more days, folks. We just had a rush of new national polls confirming a big national lead for Hillary Clinton. The PollTracker Average now gives Clinton an 8.6 percentage point lead (Clinton 49.2, Trump 40.6). But a batch of new Senate polls shifted the TPM Senate Scoreboard to D – 48, R- 50 with two seats (Missouri and New Hampshire) in the Toss-Up category. Meanwhile, both Clinton and Trump have notched down slightly on The TPM Electoral Scoreboard as Georgia and Florida go into the Toss-Up category. The presidential race seems basically where it’s been, with some minor permutations. But today’s Senate polls paint a different picture of where things seemed at the start of the week. That could be a big deal as Republicans are now lining up to say they will refuse to confirm any Supreme Court appointees for the duration of Clinton’s term if she wins.

  13. 13.

    O. Felix Culpa

    What’s on for tonight? Well, after drying eyes…where did those damn onions come from?…preparing dinner for my Cubs-supporting sweetie and doing data entry for the HRC campaign.

  15. 15.

    Mnemosyne

    I’m heading out to the movie theater after work to see the re-broadcast of Saturday’s performance of “Don Giovanni,” by the Metropolitan Opera. SiubannDuinne keeps telling me they’re great, so we’ll see. I’ve already been warned to keep liquid consumption to a minimum since Act 1 is 2 hours long.

  17. 17.

    hovercraft

    Tweety trusts this FOX poll, so he wants to know why Trump is weighing in on the fight between Megan Kelly and Newt. Why isn’t he focusing on the issues when this race is still within reach. If he gets his shit together, the country is 50/50 and it’s going to be really close.

  19. 19.

    hovercraft

    Trump is doing Hillary a favor by keeping the message away from her and the issues he has a great message on, war, and trade, real change, and away from her issues.

  23. 23.

    NotMax

    Maybe watching another episode or two of Club de Cuervos on Netflix, an amusing diversion reminiscent of Arrested Development minus that show’s affected silliness and throw everything against the wall to see what sticks burlesque.

  26. 26.

    Another Holocene Human

    Marco Rubio is absolutely killing Patrick Murphy at this live debate. Marco is lying his ass off, but he’s lying his ass off very skillfully. Shades of Reagan. Goddamnit!

  28. 28.

    trollhattan

    @raven: Cool! Bet it sounds grand.
    We occasionally get a pair of 4-engine bombers–B-17 and B-24–in the area for tours and it’s impossible to mistake them for anything else when they fly near.

  30. 30.

    Poopyman

    @raven: I was surprised just now to find that there are still over a hundred B-25s still flying. Also this:

    On 18 April 2010, 17 airworthy B-25s took off from the airfield behind the National Museum of the United States Air Force and flew over in formation to commemorate the 68th anniversary of the Doolittle Raid. Four of the surviving members of the Raid were in attendance for the reunion; Cole, Griffin, Hite and Thatcher, although Hite departed before the flyover. Secretary of the Air Force Michael Donley, Commander of Air Force Material Command General Donald Hoffman and the Director of the National Museum of the United States Air Force Major General (ret.) Charles Metcalf were there also.[1]

    Curious coincidence.

  33. 33.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Baud:

    That could be a big deal as Republicans are now lining up to say they will refuse to confirm any Supreme Court appointees for the duration of Clinton’s term if she wins.

    Blood boiling!

  34. 34.

    Vickie Feminist

    @Baud: BTW, whatever happened to the millions of dollars in matching funds you qualified for? Or are you going to go all Pat Buchanan on us and pretend llke you never got any money? And can we count on you for 2020?

  37. 37.

    Cacti

    @Major Major Major Major:

    They are, probably, a little. This election is insanely stable and lately Hillary’s been polling above her average. This won’t actually change who’s going to win, or even necessarily the electoral college numbers.

    Trump’s performance in the popular vote will more or less tell us what the floor is for a Republican candidate in the early 21st century. I’m guessing 43% or so.

  40. 40.

    raven

    @Poopyman: This was the B-24 here

    B-24J
    44-44052 Witchcraft – Collings Foundation in Stow, Massachusetts. This B-24 is the most widely recognized restored example worldwide. It is the only fully authentic B-24J model that still flies.

  45. 45.

    Mnemosyne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’m not worried. It’s not like it’s the Ring Cycle, and I love Mozart’a operas. As long as the staging isn’t too twee, I’ll be fine.

  47. 47.

    Cacti

    Imagine if BIP was still around for this:

    A group of Ukrainian hackers has released thousands of emails from an account used by a senior Kremlin official that appear to show close financial and political ties between Moscow and separatist rebels in Eastern Ukraine.

    To the surprise of none, the hackers in question are not affiliated with Wikileaks.

  48. 48.

    Mnemosyne

    @raven:

    Nice! IIRC, she invented faxing (or at least the process that made faxing possible), but I’m too lazy to look it up at the moment.

  49. 49.

    raven

    @trollhattan: Really! I was stunned but one guy did it. I payed $160 for a ride in a Cobra, it was normally $500 but I won in in a scholarship auction. I don’t think anyone had a clue what it was but me!

  51. 51.

    Mnemosyne

    @NotMax:

    that show’s affected silliness and throw everything against the wall to see what sticks burlesque

    You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  53. 53.

    raven

    @Mnemosyne:

    At the beginning of World War II, Lamarr and composer George Antheil developed a radio guidance system for Allied torpedoes, which used spread spectrum and frequency hopping technology to defeat the threat of jamming by the Axis powers.[4] Though the US Navy did not adopt the technology until the 1960s, the principles of their work are now incorporated into modern Wi-Fi, CDMA and Bluetooth technology,[5][6][7] and this work led to their being inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 2014.[4][8]

    I had no idea, thanks!!!

  55. 55.

    Dork

    @Baud: If you figure there’s at least 2 justices retiring/dying in the next 8 years, this GOP plan to deny Clinton any justices will leave the court mighty thin.

    Would be interesting to see what they do if the court goes 4-3 libs via death/retirement.

  57. 57.

    Corner Stone

    Not a big fan of Michael Moore but I would chip in bail money if he would reach over and punch tweety right in the mouth and yell at him, “Stop fucking interrupting me!”

  59. 59.

    Baud

    @Dork: If they continue with the obstruction, we should seriously consider court packing if we ever control Congress again.

  63. 63.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Did you know he was one of my radio community producers in Flint? (Probably not — I doubt that I’ve mentioned it more than six or eight times.)

  65. 65.

    hovercraft

    @Corner Stone:
    Set it up, I’ve got your back. He should have smacked him after he said you can have 2 minutes, and then proceeded to interrupt him constantly. Tweety just cannot hide his dislike for her. Moore should have said that he supports her whole heartedly because he believes in democracy, he had a candidate who lost, the rest of the party picked her and that is the way it works in this country.

  73. 73.

    Trentrunner

    @Peale: No shit. When he went off yesterday on an aria about Dems needing to win back the Bobby-Kennedy-funeral-train-saluting-muddy-faced-working-class guys in Pennsylvania (or wherever), I was silently screaming at my TV:

    THAT WAS 50 FUCKING YEARS AGO, CHRIS. The demographics, they have shifted.

    Keerist.

  76. 76.

    Punchy

    @Baud: Has this “no vote ever” really been proposed by a politician, or just the idiots over at The Federalist? I dont see any way they can get all 50 to vote no on every single nominee for 4 years, esp. since SCOTUS will begin publically screaming about the insanity.

  79. 79.

    Sloane Ranger

    @Major Major Major Major: I imagine they are betting that RBG will be the next to go, thus re-establishing Repub dominence. However, I believe there is a quorum of 6 so, in that scenario, there could be a problem if one of the others decided to recuse themselves.

    Also Kennedy is getting on in years and may be interested in retiring. If the Repubs are serious this could lead to the Court being unable to function and Constitutional crisis here we come.

  80. 80.

    Trentrunner

    @Baud: They are not “unwinnable’; they are fucking dead. It was 50 fucking years ago. What the fuck is fucking Chris Matthews even talking about??!?

  83. 83.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    Much the same, just didn’t have the technical skills he later developed. This was sometime between 1975-81, LONG before he was at all famous or I would have paid more attention. That was a hard time for Flint and the auto industry generally. Mike and I spent a couple of days on factory floors and outside the gates interviewing shop rats (their term, not mine) about the threat from Japanese carmakers.

    If I had had the terminology available to me then, I would have labelled him a bit ADHD and a bit OCD. He really is incredibly bright and passionate. Also relatively uneducated (he is street smart, not book smart), uncouth but doesn’t give a shit (although since his success I think a lot of that is just put on), very idealistic, not really very practical about things outside his immediate ken.

    I liked him well enough, but he was exhausting to work with. I was always glad to get back to the studio and work with my nice Russian Orthodox priest and his weekly program “Sacred Music of the Eastern Church.”

  88. 88.

    debbie

    @Trentrunner:

    Dems don’t need to win them back. They need to realize the GOP doesn’t care in the least about their interests and then return to the Dems.

    I think this will happen in Ohio just as soon as Portman pulls a Scott Walker on the Teamsters. I’m sure it will happen elsewhere.

  94. 94.

    hovercraft

    @Trentrunner:
    I want to tell him they are gone and are never coming back, you fucking “study” politics for a living and you’re still talking about Reagan democrats like they are still democrats. They are fucking republicans now. I addition to reducing the cost of doing business, why the hell do you think the GOP was so eager to destroy unions, they wanted to pry the WWC away, and they did. The Obama coalition is not your version of the democratic party, but we are the future.

    And Tweety again just gave the GOP a pass, he said it was Trump that is pushing out Latino voters from the party, not the party itself, but Tweety thinks that the GOP will eventually do well in Raul Reyas’s community because they are entrepreneurs.

  102. 102.

    Baud

    I just realized I’ve never seen Jennifer Rubin on TV before. Thanks to Chris Hayes’ fetish for conservatives, I now have.

  103. 103.

    ThresherK

    @raven: As a radio amateur I’ve know about Hedy Lamarr andspread spectrum, but as someone who has pimped George Antheil’s compositions in this space, I somehow missed his work on this valuable bit of geekery.

  107. 107.

    divF

    @Mnemosyne:

    As long as the staging isn’t too twee, I’ll be fine.

    Did you ever see the Sellar’s versions of the Da Ponte / Mozart operas on PBS a number of years ago? Don Giovanni was set in Spanish Harlem, Le Nozze di Figaro in Trump Towers, and Cosi Fan Tutte in an upstate NY diner. I am wondering if they fell into the category of “too twee”.

  109. 109.

    Major Major Major Major

    NPR is interviewing a BernieBaby who feels “bullied and shamed into voting for Hillary.” She really wants to try and understand why to vote for Hillary. Why can’t anybody explain it without using the words “Trump” or “Supreme Court”? She still doesn’t know which non-Trump candidate to vote for. She just can’t envision herself filling in that bubble for Hillary. “I’ve been a democrat my entire life… about one third of Colorado’s Bernie delegates changed their affiliation to green”

  110. 110.

    Peale

    @hovercraft: yes. Unlike those blacks, those Asians and Latinos represent hard working entrepreneurial American values as represented by the Republican Party, Jesus Christ, tweety. Republicans have been saying that to every minority except for gays and blacks for 30 years, and it is not working. And if I ran as a democrat on a new deal platform, I’d lose, O.K. That party ended with Mondale.

  112. 112.

    Emma

    For those of you doing historical research, I found a fascinating tool: Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History from the MET. Great essays on all sorts of topics. Of course, you might have run across it already, but I thought I’d post it.

    Well, heck, the link didn’t take.

  113. 113.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    I’m the only famous person I’ve ever been in contact with.

    It is an enormous honour to be even virtually in contact with the famous Baud!

    I say this not at all to boast or name drop, but I was lucky enough through my two longest and most enjoyable careers to meet all kinds of famous people. Not many of them would ever have shown up in the pages of People magazine, but I interviewed a lot of famous classical musicians (Van Cliburn, Jean-Pierre Rampal, Itzhak Perlman, Robert Merrill, Roberta Peters, to name just a few) during my years with NPR affiliate stations; and later, working for the Government of Canada, I got to (or had to, more accurately!) meet Governors, Senators and House members, state legislators, several Prime Ministers, M.P.s, Ambassadors, and other Canadian dignitaries. Not to mention (on several occasions) former President Jimmy Carter and former FLOTUS Rosalynn Carter. Honestly, until I started looking back, I hadn’t realized quite how blessed I was to have all those opportunities.

    Thank you, Baud!, for letting me reminisce a little :-)

  115. 115.

    Mnemosyne

    @divF:

    Was that the one where Don Giovanni was a smack addict or something? I didn’t see them, but I tend to like non-traditional stagings. Traditional stagings are what strike me as “twee.”

    All of the ads for this seem to have the Don in a literal lake of fire at the end, so that looks fun.

  120. 120.

    Mnemosyne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I get to meet lots of famous animators, which is cool for me but leaves most people scratching their heads. And even my co-workers didn’t get why I was excited to meet Bruno Bozzetto (of Allegro Non Troppo fame).

  122. 122.

    FlipYrWhig

    @hovercraft: @Trentrunner:

    Chris Matthews says the same motherfucking thing every motherfucking day. It’s “where Donald Trump and I, Chris Matthews, overlap in our thought processes, we both are geniuses who everyone loves.” Christ almighty I hate that smug ignorant fucker.

  123. 123.

    divF

    @Mnemosyne:
    Re Don Giovanni: yep, that was it.
    Of the three, I thought that the transposition of Figaro was the most effective. In light of current events, having the boorish sexual predator of the Count in a lavish Trump Tower condo was inspired. Or was Trump’s reputation already established in the late 80’s?

  124. 124.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    @Baud:

    I just realized I’ve never seen Jennifer Rubin on TV before. Thanks to Chris Hayes’ fetish for conservatives, I now have.

    My condolences.

  127. 127.

    Mike in NC

    Boycotted MSNBC several months ago. Have no plans to ever tune back in. Fuck Tweety, Moanin’ Joe, and Mrs. Greenspan.

  130. 130.

    Corner Stone

    @JPL: He basically said that despite Trump’s personal foibles he had three good messages that should have led him to a win this election. And that even if Trump loses, the winner should not just dismiss those winning messages, because people are angry about those three items.
    He was saying immigration, manufacturing jobs and something else are all winning messages for Trump. He didn’t mention anything about the actual policies Trump had on any of those items, just that Trump talked about them.

  132. 132.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Peale:

    Republicans have been saying that to every minority except for gays and blacks for 30 years

    Chris Matthews alternates between thinking it’s 1966 and that it’s 1986.

  133. 133.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Major Major Major Major:

    NPR is interviewing a BernieBaby who feels “bullied and shamed into voting for Hillary.” She really wants to try and understand why to vote for Hillary. Why can’t anybody explain it without using the words “Trump” or “Supreme Court”? She still doesn’t know which non-Trump candidate to vote for.

    Oh crikey, I heard her whining earlier on ATC and I was about to yank the radio from the wall and throw it across the room. What a special, precious little snowflake she is, to be sure.

    But I did like the HRC supporter they had on right after, who said, basically, “WTF? How can you talk about Hillary without being allowed to mention the Supreme Court?!?!?” So that was nice.

  134. 134.

    ruemara

    I’m absorbing today’s meeting with s plastic surgeon. This is expensive. But he’s confirmed I don’t have much body fat, just surplus skin. All problem issues covered would be nearly 40k. Broken up into chunks, withe the likelihood that 1 would be enough for me, 16k. How much am I prepared to spend to not repulse myself & not look like a melted wax figure? So I’m lifting weights as I contemplate how I can do this. How do people just cavalierly get boobs & chins & shit? This stuff is so complicated.

  135. 135.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Corner Stone:

    He was saying immigration, manufacturing jobs and something else are all winning messages for Trump. He didn’t mention anything about the actual policies Trump had on any of those items, just that Trump talked about them.

    He says this every day. Every goddamn day. The third thing is foreign wars. Which Donald Trump LIKES. It’s astounding.

  141. 141.

    Kay

    They had a little ruckus in the headquarters today. Three men and one child there- one is the organizer and 2 are volunteers + 7 year old son of one of the volunteers. Women comes in, says she wants “Hillary for Prison” sign. Organizer fake-laughs – funny, funny- tells her to go to GOP office- she raises her voice, man w/7 year old tells her she’s upsetting boy, they all tell her it’s private property and she needs to go, she refuses, insults them some more, they escort her out and lock the door.

    I almost wish they had called the police and let them handle it (although honestly I’d rather do almost anything than call the police so I never do) because I know this is going to turn into 1. stupid “free speech” argument where she gets to say what she wants and they can’t talk back, or 2. or “victim of liberals” story.

    So sick of this. Wish it was over.

  143. 143.

    NotMax

    @SiubhanDuinne
    ”
    Did you ever happen to see The House?

    If not, worth the time. Favorite tidbit was the two bartenders working the same bar in the lobby who had refused to speak to one another for something like 20 years.

    Also, the snippets shown of a modern opera (forget which one) looked like dreadful staging.

  148. 148.

    debbie

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Honestly, what bothers me about people like her and my Trumpie family members is that they all say I have to prove whatever it is I’ve said. Like they won’t do their own research to prove me wrong. Lazy pricks.

  149. 149.

    FlipYrWhig

    @JPL: Bob Somerby on Chris Matthews, gender, and anti-Hillary animus, from The Daily Howler, 2007:

    Chris [Matthews] then offered us a look at the odd soul of the Washington press corps. His eyes stared past ours, scanning the Mayflower’s block-long lobby in a classic thousand-yard stare. “I just saw the most incredible prostitute,” he weirdly said. (Instead of “prostitute,” he may have said “hooker.”)…But Chris wasn’t through with his weird discussion; his eyes continued to scan the long hall as he said something like, “Yeah, you have to ask for the ‘pink sheet’ rooms when you check in.” (Not an exact quote.) At no point did Plotkin seem to think that this was a recognizable topic. For ourselves, we’d have to say it was the strangest thing any man has ever said to us. No, it simply isn’t our experience that men make such weird comments to other men—much less, to men whom they barely know. Men like Matthews apparently think that this is standard male discussion.

  150. 150.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Mnemosyne:

    As long as the staging isn’t too twee, I’ll be fine.

    In all truth, I could have stood a little bit more tweeness (tweeitude?) For me, the staging was pretty conventional. And as I think I mentioned in a comment to you on Saturday, it’s not my favourite of the mature Mozart operas anyhow. But the music is sublime, and I can forgive a lot of the production langeurs for the pleasure of hearing Keenlyside sing “La ci darem” or the “Champagne Aria.”

  152. 152.

    Major Major Major Major

    @debbie: well, you’re saying something positive about Hillary so the onus is on you to provide a thousand reputable sources backing it up. Also all your sources are biased and establishment and check out this YouTube video.

  158. 158.

    Peale

    @FlipYrWhig: yes. A foreign policy based on the idea of an even bigger military and demands that respect us or else. And ripping up all the trade deals and promising to renegotiate them on favorable terms…which means “you buy our products and we buy nothing from you”. Also, we do nothing to fix the immigration system until all the illegal Mexicans are out of the country and Mexico pays for the Wall. I can see why he won’t actually discus those policies.

  159. 159.

    debbie

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Actually, I’ve thought about compiling a list of sources, links, etc., copying them, and handing them out at Thanksgiving just to shut everyone up. They’d never check them out, but I would have made my point.

  160. 160.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Baud:

    Why can’t someone make the case for Hillary without talking about how beneficial her presidency will be?

    EXACTLY!! What we need is an affirmative case for HRC but with no affirmations.

  164. 164.

    NotMax

    Tossing this out to those with editing capabilities –

    Late night Nov. 8 or on Nov. 9, expect a YouTube video of a parody tune titled “A Whiter Shade of Fail.”

    Get crackin’.

    ;)

  165. 165.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Very nice! I worked for an NPR affiliate in NorCal, but I was in my early 20’s and did not rub elbows with those who came by (Daniel Schorr, Keillor, the very funny Victor Borge, etc.). We weren’t large enough to draw the big names of the classical music world.

  167. 167.

    Kay

    @debbie:

    I wish they wouldn’t tell me about these things. I don’t even want to know.

    Okay so the problem is Donald Trump and the rest of the Republican Party have completely convinced these people that Clinton is not just “corrupt” but is actually a criminal, so the GOP base will of course insist Republicans in the House immediately impeach her.

    They did it again. They lied to these people and that will cause problems for the whole country. I just can’t fucking believe they did it again.

  168. 168.

    Mnemosyne

    @divF:

    Oh, everyone already knew Trump was a predatory asshole in the 1980s. That’s one of the reasons he’s so pissed off now — the media has known what he’s like for 30 years and they didn’t care until now (from his POV).

  169. 169.

    Carolina Dave

    @Major Major Major Major: yes I heard that interview on the east coast feed while driving the dogs to the park at sunset. WTF? Where’s my pony? TBogg wrote a great article about such purity people. I hope she listened to the octogenarian who followed in the NPR piece.

  170. 170.

    Major Major Major Major

    @Mnemosyne: it’s almost like you get more scrutiny when you’re asking to become the most powerful person alive and not just fire people on TV.

    @Carolina Dave: If a third of Colorado’s Bernie delegates really did re register as greens after the DNC that also tells me all I need to know about that set.

  171. 171.

    Kay

    @debbie:

    They can’t admit that they lied to their whole base so they have to pursue this. If they don’t pursue it their base will hate them even more than do now, which is a lot. It just never ends. It’s the lie and then the blowback to the lie, over and over and over.

  173. 173.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @ruemara:

    My SO had weight reduction surgery and is hoping to get such work done in a year or so. It’s not inexpensive, and any surgery includes risk, but she insists she’ll feel more confident and better about her appearance. I think she is lovely, but it is her body and her decision. She’ll have my support.

  174. 174.

    Mnemosyne

    @ruemara:

    I am somewhat anti-plastic surgery. It’s worth sitting down with yourself (or even a therapist) and thinking about what will happen if you end up with scars from it. Are you unhappy enough right now that even gnarly scars would be better, or would it send you off down a new road of self-hatred and bad body image?

  175. 175.

    Peale

    @Kay: I’m pretty sure they’ll have to impeach her. Though I think they will wait to make 2018 about that. It’s their winning issue. Poor poor establishment. So upset by having this base that will believe anything. I’m sure big donor moneybags and evangelical holy roller are just crying over this.

  176. 176.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’m looking forward to the March production of LA Traviata. I saw the SF Opera production and it was bloody fabulous! My then wife was about a week away from delivering our daughter who was evidently rocking out (opera-ing out?) big time during the performance.

  177. 177.

    Kay

    Profoundly and completely anti-democratic, as a Party and as an ideology:

    Speaking to reporters after a campaign rally for a Republican U.S. Senate candidate here, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said that there was “precedent” for a Supreme Court with fewer than nine justices — appearing to suggest that the blockade on nominee Merrick Garland could last past the election.
    “You know, I think there will be plenty of time for debate on that issue,” said Cruz, when he was asked whether a Republican-controlled Senate should hold votes on a President Hillary Clinton’s nominees. “There is certainly long historical precedent for a Supreme Court with fewer justices. I would note, just recently, that Justice Breyer observed that the vacancy is not impacting the ability of the court to do its job. That’s a debate that we are going to have.”

    Remember- Ted Cruz is the serious and brilliant conservative. A complete hack.

  178. 178.

    NotMax

    So apparently Carrot Flop’s new hotel had its grand opening today. Whatever happened to the vacated restaurant space? One of the areas has been repurposed as a superfluous conference room since wooed tenant after possible tenant said “No.”

  181. 181.

    Kay

    @Peale:

    It’s a cycle, right? They won’t be able to remove her and the base will be demoralized and find loonier and loonier candidates, and Republicans will go along to get along out of fear and it will just get worse and worse.

    They need a formal intervention. They need a grown up.

  183. 183.

    Kay

    @Peale:

    His supporters behave like the supporters of dictators behave:

    Jill ColvinVerified account
    ‏@colvinj
    This Trump supporter has a speaking “Lying Hillary” doll that hangs from a noose.

    Like this is going away when they lose, right? Of course not.

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    Peale

    @Kay: yes. Unfortunately the “establishment” is firmly in control of the party. They certainly don’t seem to care if their congress gets primaried by even crazier loons. I don’t think it’s a cycle as much as a spiral down the drain.

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    Kay

    @FlipYrWhig:

    It absolutely enrages me because it’s the big prize for winning and they know it’s the big prize. They’re horrible, whiny babyish competitors. All this bullshit they spout about “markets”- they’re horrible sore losers who can’t accept competing in something and losing. And losing is part of competing! It’s fully half the thing. They’re bad at it.

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    Kay

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Oh, well, this is till true whatever they “believe”;

    Clinton could lose Florida, Nevada, North Carolina and Ohio – but still win the presidency by holding on to New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.

    It’s the only good part of this election. That he has to pull a rabbit out of a hat to win it.

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    phoebes from highland park

    @SiubhanDuinne: The Live at the Met shows are fabulous. I wasn’t an opera fan, even though I lived in Santa Fe, til a friend persuaded me to see a “Live” program. She told me I could leave if I didn’t like it. Well, I loved it! Everything, including the back stage interviews and the viewing of the singers on the stage is wonderful. I even like it a bit more than seeing live opera at the Santa Fe Opera! Go with an open mind.

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    Kay

    @Major Major Major Major:

    they believe in winning

    No they don’t. They’re already planning on how to deny the winner what she won. They in no way believe in “winning”

    They believe in getting stuff they want, when they want it. Earning it has nothing to do with it.

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    opiejeanne

    @dogwood: I’m 66 and figure I’ve got at least another good 30 years, unless the family dementia comes and gets me.
    That reminds me, we’re not getting any younger and I think we might need to do some traveling, maybe in mid-January to DC, hang out at the Smithsonian, I dunno, see the new museums that have opened in the last 10 years. See if anything is happening on the 20th.

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    ruemara

    @Mnemosyne: I will be scarred. Black skin means keloid scars are forever & the price of removing a lot of sag. I’d need 3 surgeries. I’m anti-surgery, having had a couple of nightmare ones but living with a body you detest is not fun. I put in the time to see if I was being impatient, i’ve been fairly consistent diet wise and the doctor told me to stop. There’s nothing left to drop. I can live covered head to toe and unwilling to even hug a potential mate or I can do this and have some peace. It’s a lot like screwing up my courage to buy the car. I just never saw my ass as Lexis. I’m still weighing everything but I think at least one surgery is likely. I’m going to dislike not going to the gym, that’s for sure.

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