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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Open Thread: Revanchist Hero of the Day, Alabama Sec. of State John Merrill

Open Thread: Revanchist Hero of the Day, Alabama Sec. of State John Merrill

by Anne Laurie|  November 2, 201610:01 pm| 217 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Fables Of The Reconstruction, Open Threads, Post-racial America, Republican Venality

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Pretty clear from the year that the GOP's biggest fear is a Supreme Court that will make voting easy and fair.

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) November 2, 2016

… doesn’t want to “cheapen the work of civil rights activists” by permitting automatic voting registration.

No, seriously:

Automatic voter registration has recently emerged a key tool in increasing the United States’ anemic voter turnout. The process is simple: Whenever an eligible citizen interacts with a government agency (typically the DMV), she is registered to vote unless she declines. Although automatic voter registration is a nonpartisan initiative, it tends to be favored by Democrats and opposed by Republicans, who believe they fare better in low-turnout races; two Republican governors have already vetoed Democrat-sponsored automatic voter registration bills in Illinois and New Jersey. Now Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill, a Republican, has joined the opposition. Asked a question about automatic voter registration, Merrill declared that the practice “cheapen[s] the work” of civil rights heroes and that “just because you turned 18 doesn’t give you the right” to vote….

These people fought—some of them were beaten, some of them were killed—because of their desire to ensure that everybody that wanted to had the right to register to vote and participate in the process. I’m not going to cheapen the work that they did. I’m not going to embarrass them by allowing somebody that’s too sorry to get up off of their rear end to go register to vote … because they think they deserve the right because they’ve turned 18.…

But they do have that right, Sec. Merrill — as enshrined in the Constitution, and further specified in its 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments. It’s not your “ball game,” not any more, and you don’t get to decree who’s entitled to “win a trophy”…

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  1. 1.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 2, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    reposted from below for non baseball folk

    Liz Mair (GOP operative) is still teasing two big anti-Trump bombs. One she says is coming, the other the Dems have given up on. So…. FWIW. how much can you trust a true believe of the other party?

  2. 2.

    RedDirtGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    They keep saying this shit out loud!

  3. 3.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    @RedDirtGirl: They don’t care anymore. I think they’ve collectively realized they can say anything they want, lie all they want, and their voters won’t care. Can’t blame them, I guess.

  4. 4.

    Peale

    November 2, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    I’m sure if he were alive today, Medgar Evars would totally be against automatic voter registration and be looney about the Democrats busing illegal Somalis around the country to ruin the electoral hopes of good Republican office holders.

  5. 5.

    Amir Khalid

    November 2, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    At this late stage, only five days from election day, it would have to be a pretty big bomb to get anyone’s attention, let alone change their minds

  6. 6.

    Chris

    November 2, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @redshirt:

    And worse, their voters will tear them to shreds if they don’t do this. Two Minutes Hate: participate, or we might just decide you’re one of these awful liberals.

  7. 7.

    JMG

    November 2, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    On twitter, Silver is basically saying he doesn’t think Clinton can win. Making case Obama’s smaller lead in 2012 was actually a bigger lead, because reasons.

  8. 8.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    just because you turned 18 doesn’t give you the right” to vote….

    YES, IT FUCKING DOES! FOR FUCK’S SAKE, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? YOU GIVE STUPID POLITICAL HACKS A BAD NAME, YOU RANCID, RUNNY SHIT!

    /End rant. Sorry about that.

  9. 9.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 2, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I guess the theory is depress his turn-out, make reluctant Republicans stay home or go for one of the alternatives> they have come up with a couple of pretty effective ads in the last couple of days

  10. 10.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: She’s been teasing this for weeks and that maybe, just maybe she’ll drop it herself. The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter.

  11. 11.

    Barbara

    November 2, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    Actually, just because you turn 18 you do have the right to vote. How many ways can you say “We don’t want you to vote”?

  12. 12.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @JMG: Don’t you have anything better to do than report Nate Silver’s every fart.

  13. 13.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Actually the strategy behind these things is you leave the biggest drop for late Thursday afternoon before the election. That way it gets picked up for that night’s cable and network cycle, then dominates through the weekend to 1) shore up anyone getting wobbly on your side and 2) to demoralize anyone wobbly on the other side.

  14. 14.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @JMG: Good. Then we can stop treating him as credible once he is proven wrong.

    And if he is proven right, he’s the least of our worries.

  15. 15.

    Barbara

    November 2, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: She has been trying to get attention all year ever since she lost her job with Walker. It’s hard to know when she is being serious.

  16. 16.

    piratedan

    November 2, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    @efgoldman: well, we must remember to reach out and empathize with them, while they’re in this tender stage of attempting to disenfranchise the people that they dislike. Otherwise, how can we ever attempt to reach common ground and understand their fears and concerns that they have to continue to fuck the rest of us over?

  17. 17.

    JMG

    November 2, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: You’re right. Sorry, I’ll stop.

  18. 18.

    Pogonip

    November 2, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    I personally think voting should be required (of course, then people would be trying to get out of it, human nature being what it is).

    I got door-to-door surveyed today! We didn’t get much of that in the Big City, but West Deplorable is still small enough to be relatively fearless. I could tell he was looking for likely voters, as when I said I’d already mailed my ballot he only asked me 3 questions and didn’t even get my demographics. (When a willing participant fails the screening questions you ask him a few questions anyway, as willing participants are not exactly falling out of the woodwork and you don’t want them to get turned off the survey process.)

    Be nice to the pollsters, please, especially the ones doing the dreaded push polls, which are always long with dreadfully convoluted questions, so it’s very hard to get completions. A push poll is a political designed to persuade you to vote for whichever party commissioned the survey; it’ll have questions like “If you knew that Candidate Cole has openly matriculated, is an admitted heterosexual, owns a house that is a neighborhood eyesore, has parked his Subaru in an honest farmer’s field without advance permission, and practices animal husbandry, knowing this, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for him on Election Day?”

  19. 19.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @Barbara: Who knows? As I wrote the other night she comes across somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil.

  20. 20.

    Pogonip

    November 2, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Nate farts? (“if you knew that Candidate Silver not only farts but eructates in public, would you be more or less likely…”)

  21. 21.

    MomSense

    November 2, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Rant away. I’m right there with you.

  22. 22.

    Pogonip

    November 2, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @JMG: Are you the Archdruid?

  23. 23.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @efgoldman: In many areas, that’s all they need. Or, in order to win a Primary.

  24. 24.

    PsiFighter37

    November 2, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @JMG: Fuck Nate Silver. I liked him better when he was anonymously posting as a chili pepper in 2008.

  25. 25.

    Amir Khalid

    November 2, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:
    It’s not aimed at those who’ve already made up their minds, then. I get it now.

  26. 26.

    Russ

    November 2, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Lazy citizens is the issue. They want to be able to vote just because they were born American. Us white people are ‘agin it.

  27. 27.

    albertZ

    November 2, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    What y’all said. SMH.

  28. 28.

    Keith P.

    November 2, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    Sigh…I currently live in the state of Rick Perry and Greg Abbott (among other dignitaries), but am supposed to be moving to Alabama early next year. Too bad I’m so close to my family, because I really would be less embarrassed (and better off, given my employment issues this year) living in a proud blue state.

  29. 29.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Hell, I’ve already voted. There are ways that I could get my ballot back and go vote in person on election day, but it would be a pain in the ass. Also, even if conclusive evidence comes out that HRC is a lizard person, I am still with her.

  30. 30.

    hedgehog mobile

    November 2, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    Sam Wang has Her at 317. Breathe, phonebank, contribute, VOTE (I’ve done it all).
    hedgehog+2

  31. 31.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    @Pogonip: Tweets, farts, whatever. Patience with concern trolls, I am losing it.

  32. 32.

    Jeffro

    November 2, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @efgoldman:

    White racists always get to decide, just ask them. Just read this shithead article in today’s WaPo.

    ETA: But don’t try to read it unless you have some chemical adjustment nearby, or a cement block to hit yourself in the head with.

    There was a book review recently of that very same book that the op-ed writer references (“Strangers in their Own Land”), except instead of trying to gin up sympathy for racist whites, it points out just how badly the supposedly-liberal author wants to excuse racist behavior.

    WE ARE NOT TALKING PAST THESE PEOPLE OR IGNORING THEM…THEY ARE DISQUALIFYING THEMSELVES FROM ANY DECENT NATIONAL CONVERSATION BY THEIR RACISM, HATE, VIOLENCE, AND INSANITY.

  33. 33.

    burnspbesq

    November 2, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    I can remember when Democrats and lefties thought Silver was all that. His trajectory is like a beloved indie band that wins a Grammy.

  34. 34.

    Scamp Dog

    November 2, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter.

    Dashiell Hammet FTW!

  35. 35.

    Judge Crater

    November 2, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    This election went through the looking glass so long ago that sanity is only a a faint memory now. Trumpism, no matter how long it lasts, is a sign of the failure of politics – a genuinely bad thing. The center, as the cliche goes, is not holding. My first presidential vote was for George McGovern. That seems like a halcyon time compared to today’s cesspool of fruitcakes and bomb throwers.

  36. 36.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    Burn the white flag.

  37. 37.

    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap

    November 2, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    They’re leaking again, WSJ Story:

    Secret Recordings Fueled FBI Feud in Clinton Probe
    Agents thought they had enough material to merit aggressively pursuing investigation into Clinton Foundation

  38. 38.

    Ruckus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Don’t end the rant, carry on, it’s a grand rant. The kind of rant that novels are written about, the kind of rant that may just finally get their attention. Although I’m pretty sure you need a couple of more “fucks” in there to really sell it.

  39. 39.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: According to the documentary I saw on Destination Channel HD, they live in subterranean Los Angeles and access the upper world through people’s closets.

  40. 40.

    Walker

    November 2, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @hedgehog mobile:

    Sam also has the Senate as a nail biter. That is the real race.

  41. 41.

    Mary G

    November 2, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    This is right up there with “Martin Luther King was a Republican” line they use, along with “Robert Byrd was in the KKK,” “Democrats are the real racists,” “We don’t believe in identity politics/class warfare, we treat everyone equally,” “We’re not the party dividing the country,” etc., etc., ad nauseum. I am so over all this 1984-speak.

  42. 42.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    @burnspbesq: I think part of the problem is one Yglesias touched on earlier today. We now have too many aggregators of polls and not enough top notch polling.

  43. 43.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    @burnspbesq: He’s got terrible hair too.

  44. 44.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 2, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Matthew Miller ‏matthewamiller 48m48 minutes ago
    So FBI agents:
    1. Started probe based on laughable “Clinton Cash” book.
    2. Found nothing.
    3. Were told to move on by FBI & DOJ.
    4. Leaked!

  45. 45.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Scamp Dog: I occasionally like to mix it up as “the gaudier the crook, the cheaper the patter”.

  46. 46.

    Mary G

    November 2, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Oh, and I am sure the FBI has spent thousands and thousands of hours on anyone who’s ever expressed support for Black Lives Matter. Priorities.

  47. 47.

    Percysowner

    November 2, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    I’m actively trying to avoid polls and predictions at this point. They make me too nervous. I’m scheduled to canvas this weekend and Monday and Tuesday. That’s all I can do. I’m in Ohio, so it won’t make much difference, but I’ll give it all I’ve got.

  48. 48.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    @Ruckus: I am not good at long rants.

  49. 49.

    Walker

    November 2, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Garbage in, garbage out.

  50. 50.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    @burnspbesq: Well, to be fair, he was all that when he was still at his original blog. You know, before he sold out.

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Fuck it, I’m still in even if she is a C.H.U.D.

  52. 52.

    Lurker Extraordinaire

    November 2, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    As a Latina, I think I’m going to completely cut myself off from any and all election coverage until after Election Day. I know many of you will consider this “bed wetting” but Trump and his supporters are real threats to my family’s very existence. I grew up in an area with quite a few Holocaust survivors and their children and grandchildren, and their experiences have been echoing in my mind for months now. It’s not enough for me to hear “oh, Trump only wants to deport illegal immigrants.” Or that he wants to ban only Muslims from entering the country. The things he and his supporters want to do have occurred within living memory, so I cannot write off this stuff as just words. It’s a dishonor to our grandparents and great-grandparents who fought against the Nazis that fascism is kicking down our door. We will see on Election Day if we blast fascism in the face, or we welcome it with open arms and invite it in. Of course, it’s always been lying in wait (for many years), but the fact that people are taking Trump seriously, especially our media, means we are so dangerously close, perhaps more than ever before.

    The consequences are simply too great for me to underestimate the threats to my person, other people of color, women, LGBTQ, Muslims and others.

    I will be voting Friday, and my husband voted today. In Ohio. I guess on November 9th I’ll know if I have to seriously consider having an “escape route plan” just in case. Until then, my friends….

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: Sometimes the hipsters are right.

  54. 54.

    hedgehog mobile

    November 2, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Walker: Agreed.

  55. 55.

    Mnemosyne

    November 2, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    More like when Garth Brooks decided to become Chris Gaines and the world went, “Huh?”

  56. 56.

    Mnemosyne

    November 2, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    If opiejeannie comes by, I eventually decided to get my San Francisco hotel room from Hotwire.com, went through the whole process, and discovered that it’s … the Sir Francis Drake.

    It’s like it was destiny. ;-)

  57. 57.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @Percysowner: Ohio doesn’t make much of a difference?

  58. 58.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    I read Silver’s book. The Signal and the Noise. One of the worst written books I’ve ever read.

  59. 59.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @redshirt: I think he’s expressing skepticism that Hillary will carry the state.

  60. 60.

    JMG

    November 2, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: I admire your honesty and courage. I’m old. have money, and am an old line WASP, so Trump can’t do much to me except that blowing up the world thing. I hope you will accept my pledge that you and yours are an important part of why I am so engaged in this election.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    November 2, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    After this year, if I ever come across the term homo sapiens again, it’ll be too soon. Like Brontosaurus, a false designation to be retired.

  62. 62.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: A person I am very close to is a Latina whose grand-parents were Jews who went to Latin America from Poland in the ’30s. They saw trouble. She is confident that Hillary will win, but is disturbed as hell by what this election has churned up. Moi, as a WASPy type, I am disturbed as hell too. The difference is that they would come after her for who she is, but they would only come after me for what I say.

    ETA: If the worst comes to pass, I can guarantee an underground railroad to Canada from friends and family.

  63. 63.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I use Hotwire all the time. It’s like Russian R0ullete for hotel rooms.

    I did just stay at the Intercontinental in Boston for $200 and it was very nice.

  64. 64.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    @Baud: I know the polls, but I don’t understand how Hillary can lose it when Obama won it twice.

  65. 65.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    @redshirt: Iowa has turned red.

  66. 66.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 2, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    I thought the knock on Silver this round was that the original data nerd was now factoring in non-data things (like historical trends and momentum or I don’t know what because I haven’t followed it) into his model, whereas Wang was sticking to just the numbers

  67. 67.

    cmorenc

    November 2, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    I’m not going to embarrass them by allowing somebody that’s too sorry to get up off of their rear end to go register to vote … because they think they deserve the right because they’ve turned 18.…

    Those shiftless nigras…who can only be bothered to get up off the couch when they want to go to the grocery store to buy T-bone steaks with their food stamps.

  68. 68.

    piratedan

    November 2, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    as a reminder about the Lies that Hillary Clinton is guilty of… someone picked up the Elijah Cummings questioning of Director Comey on a tweet:

    Elijah Cummings questioning of James Comey

    a synopsis….

    Comey: the FBI reviewed 30k worth of e-mail…
    Cummings: and you found three that had classified material
    Comey: correct…
    Cummings: but you state that they weren’t identified as such, in the header or topic or using any other normal method of identifying classified information
    Comey: correct
    Cummings: and the part that was marked with a lower case “c” was embedded in the document itself, further down
    Comey: correct
    Cummings: and then you found that even these were used incorrectly
    Comey: yes, that’s true
    Cummings: I just wanted to be clear here on what you found….

    THIS is what the media has allowed to be characterized as a lie by the GOP.

  69. 69.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @Baud: Not yet!

  70. 70.

    Trentrunner

    November 2, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    Just a reminder that if Clinton wins Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Colorado, she wins the election.

    She can lose Florida, Ohio, Nevada, and Iowa, and still win with PVC.

    That is all.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @Trentrunner: And Florida, where I’d still put her as the favorite.

  72. 72.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 2, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @redshirt: non-college white voters, labor unions endorsing Republicans for… reasons, and a Republican SoS who has quietly pushed voter suppression while the MSM fawns over Katich’s vote for McCain

  73. 73.

    Mike in NC

    November 2, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    This JMG idiot is a fairly new concern troll, correct?

  74. 74.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @Walker: Perhaps.

  75. 75.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Works for me!

  76. 76.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Mike in NC: No. Real commenter who is nervous. Be nice.

  77. 77.

    Mike in NC

    November 2, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Trentrunner: North Carolina looking good, but less good for incumbent GOP governor and senator. GOTV vs Dark Money.

  78. 78.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: We have your back. This is not Germany in the 1930s. Nor the Balkans and Rwanda in the 1990s.

  79. 79.

    NotMax

    November 2, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @Trentrunner

    Also a reminder that every four years “Pennsylvania is in play” is dragged out of mothballs.

    It’s not in play.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: then why?

    @NotMax: I remember that from 2012.

  81. 81.

    Elizabelle

    November 2, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @Percysowner: Yippee! You’re doing a lot. 3 cheers. Canvassing rocks.

  82. 82.

    Jeffro

    November 2, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @redshirt: @Baud:

    I have Hillz losing Ohio and Iowa and still winning 332-334 (I’m not being cagey; I can’t remember the exact number!) of EVs to Trump’s 198 or so.

    If it helps (and boy does it ever help me): turn off the cable news, trust Sam Wang’s site, and GOTV!

  83. 83.

    Barbara

    November 2, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @piratedan: Cummings made Comey look like a fool.

  84. 84.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Baud: Why what?

  85. 85.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Why are we having to deal with Trump?

  86. 86.

    PPCLI

    November 2, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    These people fought—some of them were beaten, some of them were killed—because of their desire to ensure that everybody that wanted to had the right to register to vote and participate in the process. I’m not going to cheapen the work that they did. I’m not going to embarrass them by allowing somebody that’s too sorry to get up off of their rear end to go register to vote … because they think they deserve the right because they’ve turned 18.…

    Ah yes. I remember that part of the great MLK speech “I have a dream… that whites in Alabama will need to be more ingenious than they currently have to be to ensure black turnout is low.”

    But seriously, John Lewis is still alive, and he actually is one of the people who was beaten, and almost killed. So you can just give him a call and ask if he would be embarrassed by automatic registration and making voting easier for everyone. I think you will be surprised at what he’ll say….

    But in fact, Mr. Merrill, I suspect you know exactly what he’d say were you to make that call. And you know full well that what he would say is nothing like what you are saying. You lying sleazebag.

  87. 87.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @Baud: Would you come out in public to protest the mistreatment of Hispanics or Jews? A lot of us would.

  88. 88.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Will there be refreshments?

  89. 89.

    Keith P.

    November 2, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @piratedan: It’s ironic that the Trump campaign is going after Clinton on the ‘c’ indicating ‘classified’, when Trump had a bunch of housing applications that were also marked with ‘c’. In Trump’s case, naturally, the ‘c’ meant “colored”, so him and Pops Trump could discriminate on applicants.

  90. 90.

    Jeffro

    November 2, 2016 at 11:07 pm

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: As with many others here – we’re with you. We’re going to win this election and then have a high old time getting this country to realize just what a dangerous, dangerous problem it has in Trump supporters and the GOP as well.

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Baud: I will buy you a beer – two if you are mouthy. Does that work?

    ETA: Shot or reasonable mixed drink of your choice instead, if you want.

  92. 92.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Craft beer, right? Not that mass produced swill.

  93. 93.

    Lyrebird

    November 2, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: You go, protecting your sanity — super important!

    And count David Nir in, over at DKos, noticing the fascism parallels.

    Now back to your cat gifs or whatever keeps you going!

  94. 94.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    @Baud: Two different things. My remarks were along the lines that there are both the necessary and sufficient numbers of people in the US, who are sufficiently informed, that any attempt by Trump’s worst supporters to bring what happened in those places here in anything other than isolated incidents will not happen.

    As for your question of why Trump or, perhaps how Trump, its what I wrote several months ago:

    I’m really not sure, in terms of an actual institutional GOP, that there really is one and if there is, nothing I’ve seen throughout the primary would indicate that they could organize a one car funeral if you spotted them the hearse. And this isn’t a knock on people who are registered Republicans. I just don’t think the GOP establishment or the GOP as an institution has any core left. I think its been hollowed out. The real fallout of Citizen’s United is that no one needs the parties any more if they have enough money. So the Koch’s have their own parallel organization to the RNC and the GOP nationally and state by state. Some times it aligns with the official GOP and sometimes it doesn’t. Adelson does his thing. Art Pope bought the NC GOP. And there are more examples nationally, state by state, and even municipally. And this is before we get to things like the Freedom Caucus in the House which is at war with its larger caucus and has ground even the most basic actions of the House to a halt. Or Fox News and the other major conservative media sources. And Trump had an instinctive feel for all this instability and chaos and just walked through and showed just how ineffective these different GOP centers of gravity were. He saw that the process had become a disarticulated reality show and he knows reality shows! Got to give him credit. I don’t think anyone else could have done it.

  95. 95.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Baud: Okay. But you gotta earn it, otherwise it is the mere alcohol of a Miller High Life – which is better than nothing.

  96. 96.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 2, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: OH, FUCK! (Runs to bedroom to check for holes…doors in closet floor.)

  97. 97.

    piratedan

    November 2, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @Barbara: my issue is that with this out there on the public record, The media lets the GOP perpetuate the framing and how many of us have had to try and talk down friends and family from the ledge because of it… unsure if anyone has seen that published and explained as clearly as Rep. Cummings did.

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    @Baud: Too soon.

  99. 99.

    Mike J

    November 2, 2016 at 11:14 pm

    Jeebus, Cubs.

  100. 100.

    SFAW

    November 2, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    This is not Germany in the 1930s. Nor the Balkans and Rwanda in the 1990s.

    Not for lack of trying.

  101. 101.

    Percysowner

    November 2, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @redshirt: Portman is ahead by so much that it won’t make a difference and Trump is pretty far ahead, enough that it’s going to be hard to turn the tide. There are zero House seats that are competitive in Ohio. I’m hoping that we might get Hillary to squeak out a win, that’s why I’ll canvas, but it’s not looking too good.

  102. 102.

    Miss Bianca

    November 2, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    How is it that I’ve spent at least some part of every day for oh, I don’t know – the past 200 days? – the past two years? – going, “what the ever-fuckin’ FUCK?!”?

    And it’s always over stories like this. Irony is not only dead and buried, it’s positively mouldering in the grave. It keeps giving little zombie kicks and twitches, however, from the Great Beyond.

    Day Two of NaNoWriMo: up to 3,494 words. We are ON TRACK so far!

  103. 103.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTfwqm2i9z8

  104. 104.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: Baud plays a charming and witty sociopath here. We all have our online personae which differ to some extent from our ‘nym’s reputation. For example, I am not 5’10”; I am 5’ 9″ and 3/4″.

  105. 105.

    rikyrah

    November 2, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: that was a good rant.

  106. 106.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @Miss Bianca: For me it’s: “What the fuck is wrong with these people?” Some days those are the first words I say all day. Sad!

  107. 107.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @piratedan: It was covered at the time on the news. The video and transcript is at CNN – I posted the link and the excerpt from entire Q&A the other night. There are internet meme posters going around with this on it. But until someone forces Tweety and Andrea Mitchell and everyone at CNN and NBC, ABC, and CBS evening news to actually read it over and over and over and admit their reporting has been skewed and biased and not supported by the facts, it does not matter one whit that its the truth.

  108. 108.

    rikyrah

    November 2, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: you tell the truth.

  109. 109.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @SFAW: I had a yen for schnitzel the other night and couldn’t get it. So someone is clearly not trying hard enough!

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @rikyrah: Thank you. That also means a lot coming from you.

  111. 111.

    Mnemosyne

    November 2, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    @NotMax:

    Like Brontosaurus, a false designation to be retired.

    Well, actually …

    And now I really do have to turn off wi-fi and do my NaNo thing. Later, gators.

  112. 112.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:

    This just in: “Comey Says FBI Investigating Hillary’s Ties to Bill Clinton.”

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    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: What? Baud’s a sociopath?!

  114. 114.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:23 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Baud plays a charming and witty sociopath here

    You forgot handsome.

  115. 115.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: OT: I found that article and posted the link and excerpt in the Doug! thread. Don’t want you to miss it.

  116. 116.

    Miss Bianca

    November 2, 2016 at 11:24 pm

    @Mary G: Or, as Garry Trudeau so masterfully put it: “Jefferson was the Antichrist! Democracy is Fascism! Black is White! Night is Day!”

  117. 117.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I was just thinking of the valid concerns just expressed by Lurker Extraordinaire. But yeah, I get it. Just haven’t seen Lurker Extraordinaire enough to know if he/she would know that baud was just having a little fun, not really laughing about something terrible.

  118. 118.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @Baud: My bad. Sorry.

  119. 119.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 2, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    My remarks were along the lines that there are both the necessary and sufficient numbers of people in the US, who are sufficiently informed, that any attempt by Trump’s worst supporters to bring what happened in those places here in anything other than isolated incidents will not happen.

    I think people probably also thought that in Germany and Bosnia and Rwanda right before the killing started.

  120. 120.

    Miss Bianca

    November 2, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Lurker Extraordinaire: Please don’t go. At least, not yet. We’re not going to let this monstrous shit happen.

  121. 121.

    piratedan

    November 2, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: granted Adam, guess we need to do the heavy lifting that our media refuses to do.

  122. 122.

    PPCLI

    November 2, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Keith P.: Actually the “c” didn’t mean “Classified”, as Trump originally claimed, in his usual overbearing way. It means “confidential”, which is the lowest level of classification.

  123. 123.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:27 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone): I was so hoping that was going to be The Onion or something similar. Thank god for that!

  124. 124.

    NotMax

    November 2, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Mnemosyne

    A false designation to be retired until proven otherwise, then.

    Happy now?

  125. 125.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @WaterGirl: I think the chain of comments got crossed. I wasn’t making light of LE’s comment.

  126. 126.

    Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck

    November 2, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Got to give him credit. I don’t think anyone else could have done it.

    While I am loathe to give him any credit for it, he does have the skills to play the GOP primary process perfectly. He was what its voters wanted, and was not tied to dogma that the GOP voter only wanted because it was the best racism fix they’d been offered. The thing is, every other GOP politician in the country now knows he won the presidential primary on hard racism, and the base is not going to stop wanting that – including the asshole idiocy that came with the package.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Actually we have good historical evidence that that was not the case in Germany. I cannot speak as informedly on the Balkans or Rwanda.

  128. 128.

    Miss Bianca

    November 2, 2016 at 11:29 pm

    @Trentrunner: And I’m phone-banking in CO this week. FTW.

  129. 129.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Looks like Hillary is favored to win Wisconsin, but why is Feingold doing worse?

  130. 130.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 2, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I saw it, thanks.

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    @WaterGirl: There is an extent that we are playing the kind of semi-pro hockey where damn near anything goes. A true ex-lurker who doesn’t seem trollish always seems to get a honeymoon period. After which, they are in the mix. It happened to all of us.

  132. 132.

    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap

    November 2, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone): Ha, pretty good one.

  133. 133.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @WaterGirl: Did you read my comments to LE?

  134. 134.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Baud: I knew that wasn’t your intent. I just thought it could be read that way to someone who might be new to BJ.

  135. 135.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 2, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Just wanted to make sure you saw it.

  136. 136.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Agree with the charming and witty part but not the sociopath part.
    @Baud: That too.

  137. 137.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @WaterGirl: We accept new people?

  138. 138.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: True enough.

  139. 139.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: No, it’s all true.

  140. 140.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: His own words.

  141. 141.

    NotMax

    November 2, 2016 at 11:38 pm

    @Baud

    Gotta do the gibble-gobble chant to make it official.

  142. 142.

    Miss Bianca

    November 2, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    the mere alcohol of a Miller High Life – which is better than nothing.

    Beg to differ – “nothing” is, in fact, better than the mere alcohol of a Miller High Life. Life is too short to pickle your liver with anything less than something worth drinking.

    Beer Snot signing off, having ingested a fine barley wine and not wanting to harsh the buzz with judgey strictures.

  143. 143.

    Original Lee

    November 2, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I can’t write today because I worked a double shift and when I got home everybody was watching the World Series in the room I keep my desktop in. I cannot watch the Cubs probably lose this game and write at the same time, so I guess I’ll do double tomorrow.

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    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:41 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I did see your comment, and I was pleased to see several comments that expressed sincere reassurance – I had wanted to do that but hadn’t come up with any words that didn’t sound trite. You guys did much better.

    And then I thought you seriously asked about coming out in public to protest the mistreatment of Hispanics or Jews, and said you thought a lot of us would. I agree with you there, too.

    But baud answered with the fun/silly will there be snacks comment and when I put myself in LE’s shoes it felt too soon to be cracking a joke like that in a thread where she/he had expressed some very serious worries. Hence my “too soon” to baud. Does that make sense?

  145. 145.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @Baud: Never!

  146. 146.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:42 pm

    @NotMax: Gabba-Gabba! We accept you! One of us!

  147. 147.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:43 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I would drink a Miller High Life but I would NEVER drink a Bud anything. It’s right up there (down there?) with Old Milwaukee. Ugh.

  148. 148.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:44 pm

    @WaterGirl: If we had threaded comments, we wouldn’t have these problems.

  149. 149.

    rk

    November 2, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    I live in PA and I’ve had at least 7 people come to my door within the last month asking me how I plan to vote. I even signed a pledge that I’ll vote for Hillary and yet they still come. They belong to superpacs so there’s no coordination between them. I see hardly any Hillary signs, and more (but not that many) Trump signs. I was also told that Democrats are refusing to put out any yard signs (too fearful).

  150. 150.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I am not a beer snob but seriously Miller Lite?

  151. 151.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 2, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Silver’s model has always been too complex and over-hedged; he gets results that are no better and often worse than Wang’s or Drew Linzer’s, and he builds in unreasonable amounts of uncertainty. That’s his model.

    But his public statements this year are something else again. He seems to be letting his gut feelings run away with him. I can understand that to some degree, but it’s getting ridiculous. He spent the whole primary season insisting that Trump couldn’t possibly get the Republican nomination even though Trump was obviously running away with it. When that finally became clear to him, the shock seems to have been so great that he’s been talking up Trump’s chances in the general election ever since, as a kind of overcompensation.

    It might be that he’s just gambling that if Trump wins he at least comes out looking like a genius, and if he doesn’t, no big deal. Or he might just be in a panic.

  152. 152.

    GregB

    November 2, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @Baud:

    I can hazard a guess that the Koch whores and their buddies are dumping millions in negative ads against Russ.

  153. 153.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:49 pm

    @Baud: If had threaded comments, most of us wouldn’t be here. So there’s that.

  154. 154.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Sounds like he is manipulating his model to get the results he wants.

  155. 155.

    redshirt

    November 2, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Miller High Life does not equal Miller Lite.

  156. 156.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @Baud: When did you start using Baud instead of baud? Weren’t you cap-less for a very long time?

  157. 157.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:50 pm

    @WaterGirl: Me either. just kidding.

  158. 158.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 2, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @WaterGirl: I love threaded comments, I’ll have yours.

  159. 159.

    Baud

    November 2, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @WaterGirl: Nope. I’ve never changed my nym.

  160. 160.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @redshirt: My bad, didn’t read closely, also its all that cold medication I am taking.

  161. 161.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 2, 2016 at 11:51 pm

    @rk: Clinton-Kaine signs have just started to appear in my town; for a long time the only presidential signs were Trump signs, and they were getting increasingly deranged, the billboard ones being joined by “Hillary for Prison” and “Vote Trump–A President With Balls!”

  162. 162.

    Ruckus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Just No. MHL is not better than nothing. That is bottled donkey piss.

  163. 163.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    @WaterGirl: No, I get it. FWIW, the black humor joke is my first response. Some people do not get it.

    As I said to LE, I know, right now, an underground railroad that I could make happen. But fuck that. We are better. We will win.

  164. 164.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I like to get my eyebrows threaded, does that count?

  165. 165.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:53 pm

    @Baud: Huh! Wrong again, twice in one night. I would just go to bed if it wasn’t for a little thing called the world series.

  166. 166.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    November 2, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: No, but it does sound painful.

  167. 167.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @Ruckus: It will get him drunk. I made no other claims.

  168. 168.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 2, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: It is! But the end result is gorgeous.

  169. 169.

    Botsplainer

    November 2, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    Fuck you, Donald Trump, and fuck the FBI for bringing political ads with this lying bullshit to the World Series.

  170. 170.

    Ruckus

    November 2, 2016 at 11:55 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    Really it isn’t that hard. What the fuck is wrong with them is that they are sociopathic morons. See how easy that is?
    OK the hard part is figuring out how there are so many of them and what to use for a disinfectant.

  171. 171.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: This last week has been tough. I hope you are right. I think Hillary will win, but I think Comey may have lost us the Senate. I haven’t decided which circle of hell he belongs in, perhaps he should rotate through them all.

  172. 172.

    WaterGirl

    November 2, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    @Ruckus: Yes yes yes to your final sentence. I hate having to see how many of them there are. I truly had no idea.

  173. 173.

    dmsilev

    November 2, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I’m not sure he’s consciously manipulating his model, but I do think he’s seriously overfitting his available data (for instance, trying to derive a single “house effect” number for each polling firm and using that to adjust each individual poll is just asking for trouble), plus he has the time-averaging length set to “hyper-twitchy” even for the ostensibly more-stable “polls-plus” model.

    Nate pioneered this sort of analysis, but I can’t help but think that he’s been surpassed by others. Sam Wang at Princeton and the data modelers working at Pollster come to mind.

  174. 174.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 3, 2016 at 12:00 am

    @WaterGirl: Is that Nate Silver’s prediction or did you pull that out of thin air? FWIW I don’t find these wild swings in the polls believable. Last week, Hillary was supposedly on track to win Arizona and this week its all doom and gloom. Whatever.

  175. 175.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 3, 2016 at 12:01 am

    @dmsilev: He’s overfit it to the point where the graph of his projection history looks an awful lot like… the graph of the polling average history. It’s sad, really.

  176. 176.

    Ruckus

    November 3, 2016 at 12:02 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    It’s still donkey piss. Just because they put alcohol in it doesn’t make in better.

  177. 177.

    rk

    November 3, 2016 at 12:03 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Our neighborhood has very few signs. The houses which have Trump signs have multiple signs. One house has four Trump/Pence signs, one on driveway, two on either side of the yard and one in the window. One house had a giant sign, that got vandalized and Trump was replaced by a Harambe picture (they installed video cameras after that). But then for unknown reasons they replaced it with 4 smaller signs. Trump supporters are an aggressive lot. One sign is not enough. They really want to rub everyone’s faces in it or at least that’s how I see it.

  178. 178.

    dmsilev

    November 3, 2016 at 12:05 am

    @Major Major Major Major: I like the approach Sam Wang uses, which is to track the past history of his “meta-margin” and then show a plausible range of future values given reasonable assumptions about volatility. That basically relies on one assumption, how much volatility to plug into the model, and not much else.

  179. 179.

    Redshift

    November 3, 2016 at 12:06 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    It might be that he’s just gambling that if Trump wins he at least comes out looking like a genius, and if he doesn’t, no big deal. Or he might just be in a panic.

    In other words, he’s become a pundit. The reason pundits make such nonsensical predictions is that punditry is hit-based, like music and video games. If you make mainstream well-supported predictions, no one will remember you. If you make outrageous predictions, the others will forget all the ones you got wrong, but the lone one you get right will make your reputation.

  180. 180.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 3, 2016 at 12:07 am

    @dmsilev: Wang’s model is great.

  181. 181.

    Ruckus

    November 3, 2016 at 12:09 am

    @rk:
    I think they feel that if everyone knows they are racist scum everyone else will leave and they will have nirvana. It’s a cheap way of having that walled city with just white, gun fetishist, fundamentalist, assholes like themselves and they don’t have to move to have it.

  182. 182.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 3, 2016 at 12:09 am

    @piratedan: Am I misremembering or isn’t it also true that none of those were sent or received by Hillary herself?

  183. 183.

    The Lodger

    November 3, 2016 at 12:09 am

    @Baud: Don’t stop being Baud.

  184. 184.

    Redshift

    November 3, 2016 at 12:09 am

    @rk: The Trump campaign is apparently giving away lots of signs. Since signs don’t actually have any effect on results, the Clinton campaign is mostly just letting people buy them and now giving out limited numbers of them.

  185. 185.

    Lizzy L

    November 3, 2016 at 12:10 am

    Ted Cruz is going to join Mike Pence to campaign on Thursday in Iowa and Michigan. What a hateful slimy hypocrite weasel that man is.

  186. 186.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 3, 2016 at 12:10 am

    @dmsilev: Sam Wang was doing it before Silver. His first year modeling the Presidential election was 2004, and his model was great except that he screwed up by predicting that undecideds would break strongly toward Kerry (based on an incorrect theory). As it turned out, the un-adjusted version of his map called almost every state correctly, so he took out the adjustment the next time around.

    Wang didn’t try to call November win probabilities until, I think, 2012; before then he was just generating his snapshot distribution of possible “if the election were held today” EV results. The snapshot uses a probably unrealistic assumption of uncorrelated errors, but his prediction model actually tries to allow for correlations.

    I think the best argument I can come up (pulled out of my ass) with that the situation might be much worse than Wang’s model is that maybe all the remaining Gary Johnson voters are going to break for Trump at the last minute. Something of that sort does seem to be happening on the margins. But for all of them to do it would not be consistent with surveys from earlier in the year.

  187. 187.

    Ruckus

    November 3, 2016 at 12:12 am

    @Redshift:
    Bet they won’t pay the printer(s), who now can’t even get the signs back for bulk recycling to at least get something out of it.

  188. 188.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 3, 2016 at 12:13 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    The snapshot uses a probably unrealistic assumption of uncorrelated errors

    I believe his analysis uses a naive bayes model, which, while based on an unrealistic assumption of uncorrelated attributes, is nonetheless universally reviled (j/k) in the machine learning community for its combination of computational efficiency, absurd simplicity, and startling accuracy.

  189. 189.

    Botsplainer

    November 3, 2016 at 12:13 am

    One thing conservatives have counted on in the past is a basic sort of goodwill and respect for institutions from liberals when conservatives win elections.

    That has been irrevocably squandered. They’ll never get an easy ride again, with a great deal of unrest, protest and noncompliance with everything from revenue to religious respect.

  190. 190.

    Ruckus

    November 3, 2016 at 12:14 am

    @Lizzy L:
    As a male human being I take offense at having Odious Teddy included as one of us.

  191. 191.

    WaterGirl

    November 3, 2016 at 12:14 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: I gave up on Nate long ago. And yes, that’s just my gut feeling, pulled right out of the air. And the rumors of poll changes swirling around. I don’t actually look at polls – and since this is such a strange election year, I think year that any predictions based on the past are probably not worth much this year.

    Just like when President Obama ran in 2008, there was really no way to know what people would do when they got in that voting booth. Would they panic at the last minute and not vote for the black man? Were they saying they would vote for Obama because they didn’t want to look/sound racist? Etc.

    I think it’s similar this year, only worse, because we’ve got a woman for the first time AND someone like Trump. How many people are saying they will vote for him (mostly bluster) but won’t once they are alone in that booth. How many people plan to vote for Trump but will get in the booth and end up leaving the presidential race blank? Etc.

    Shorter WaterGirl: I think the data this year is mostly suspect. Garbage in, garbage out. I’m sure many people here will tell me I’m wrong.

  192. 192.

    piratedan

    November 3, 2016 at 12:14 am

    @FlipYrWhig: I know that based on the tweet, they were sent to her, but the “classification” was buried in the text. Then upon further questioning of Comey by Cummings, Comey admitted that these shouldn’t have even been designated as classified, as he understood the policy.

    Yeah… it’s THAT fucking thin. and THIS has been damn near the entire basis of the GOP claiming that she’s untrustworthy. As Mr. Silverman has stated, the fact that perhaps the Dems don;t want to try and explain this, because if you’re explaining you’re losing.. yet no one in the media ever stands up and re-iterates that this is complete and total bullshit and allows the GOP to continue to frame this and now the FBI is STILL fucking framing it this way with these additional leakages attempting to cite something/anything to say that she’s dishonest or incompetent.

  193. 193.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 3, 2016 at 12:14 am

    @efgoldman: Oh, what did he say?

  194. 194.

    WaterGirl

    November 3, 2016 at 12:15 am

    @The Lodger: I second that!

  195. 195.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 3, 2016 at 12:16 am

    @FlipYrWhig: They were sent to her. Everything else that was of concern was upclassified as the result of the FOIA requests in 2015/2016. They were not classified at the time. So in the end, we’re talking three emails, that were themselves mismarked by the sender.

  196. 196.

    WaterGirl

    November 3, 2016 at 12:17 am

    @efgoldman: WaterGirl perks up! Is there video?

    P.S. Is there any reason to think that anyone who was influenced by Comey (against Hillary) would be swayed by what the president thinks? I still want to see the smackdown, though.

  197. 197.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 3, 2016 at 12:19 am

    @piratedan: Trump has a commercial based on the idea that Hillary lied when she said she didn’t send any classified info. Isn’t it actually true that she didn’t? I guess they can’t get into it because the media will say it’s “Clintonian” “parsing” about “the meaning of is,” or, in other words, true.

  198. 198.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 3, 2016 at 12:20 am

    @piratedan: To clarify: I think its just that explaining won’t make any sense. The reporters aren’t going to change how they describe this, nor the commentators, so what difference will it make.

  199. 199.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 3, 2016 at 12:20 am

    @WaterGirl: For all those crazy-making unprecedented factors in 2008, the kind of modeling Sam Wang was doing still called it, right on the nose. I think he missed by one electoral vote (the Nebraska 2nd district). And Nate Silver actually didn’t do badly, though he was overhedged.

    Wang’s current speculation is that the crazy emotional pitch of this election actually makes it more predictable, not less, by increasing polarization and making it less likely that people will change their minds. I’m not sure I buy it 100% because he also says this can increase the number of undecideds, without making the race more volatile. But it’s at least a theory you can test.

  200. 200.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 3, 2016 at 12:21 am

    @Adam L Silverman: and that she didn’t send! I mean, holy shit, dude.

  201. 201.

    Mnemosyne

    November 3, 2016 at 12:28 am

    @Miss Bianca:

    I don’t remember my exact number, but I wrote another 1,600-ish words today. I was slightly over 1,900 yesterday, so I’m a little ahead of the game.

    I’m hiding out in the craft room to avoid the Cubs game, since I am a jinx. You’re welcome, Chicago.

  202. 202.

    Pogonip

    November 3, 2016 at 12:29 am

    @redshirt: If he was a sociopath his presidential bid would have been more successful.

  203. 203.

    divF

    November 3, 2016 at 12:30 am

    @Major Major Major Major: I am about half-way in my chore to learn about machine learning. So I do not yet completely appreciate the nuances of your snark. Soon, though.

  204. 204.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 3, 2016 at 12:33 am

    @FlipYrWhig: This cake was baked long ago. I’ve had this discussions with friends/colleagues who have or have had clearances, just like me. I’ve shown them the official Congressional transcript with Congressman Cummings getting the clarification from Director Comey. They are still convinced that if they had done “what she had done” they’d be in prison now. And these are people that understand the classification system and rules. If they can’t/don’t want to get it because they already know about Clinton, what chance do you have of getting Andrea Mitchell or Chris Matthews to understand it, let alone the Fox News crowd?

  205. 205.

    Mnemosyne

    November 3, 2016 at 12:37 am

    @Ruckus:

    I’ve heard that MHL is the best beer to use when you make beer and cheese soup. So I guess it’s a cooking beer, not a drinking beer?

  206. 206.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 3, 2016 at 12:39 am

    @Adam L Silverman: I get it, I get it. Still, it seems like they’d get 95% of the impact by describing the problem as “Hillary doesn’t run a tight ship” rather than implying, or saying outright at times, that Hillary herself did various reprehensible things.

  207. 207.

    Mnemosyne

    November 3, 2016 at 12:44 am

    For people who need a break from the election, you can watch giant river otters going down a slide instead.

    (Photography alert for Bill — these guys and their slide are at the LA Zoo.)

  208. 208.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 3, 2016 at 12:50 am

    @FlipYrWhig: I just know a lot about IO and PSYOPS, none of the campaign professionals would ever think to talk to someone like me.

  209. 209.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 3, 2016 at 12:54 am

    Well, there you go, the sportsball is over.

  210. 210.

    Ruckus

    November 3, 2016 at 1:18 am

    @Mnemosyne:
    MHL is better Bud. Not a much better mind you.
    Beer and cheese soup. How can it be good if one uses donkey piss as one of the main ingredients?
    I used to be somewhat of a beer snob, mostly because most beers taste to me like what I imagine various animal waste would. The beers that true beer snobs like, I liked. But mostly my choice was whiskies.

  211. 211.

    Elizabelle

    November 3, 2016 at 1:28 am

    @rk: Of course, today’s most memorable Trump sign is the huge one in the yard of the guy who murdered two Iowa police officers in cold blood, sitting in their cars.

    Actually, it’s his mom’s house. And she was trying to get him out of it.

  212. 212.

    Ruckus

    November 3, 2016 at 1:50 am

    @efgoldman:
    Drunk Squirrels. Now that is a band name.
    Well, boiling the bratwurst is probably the best use of MHL because it doesn’t actually get consumed.

  213. 213.

    leeleeFL

    November 3, 2016 at 3:22 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:I have always hoped that I would have spoken out in Nazi Germany; I hope now that I will be the person I want to be and stand athwart the Trumpers shouting “no!” William Buckley can choke on that.

  214. 214.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 3, 2016 at 8:27 am

    Lurker Extraordinaire:

    I know many of you will consider this “bed wetting” but Trump and his supporters are real threats to my family’s very existence.

    All the more reason to because it’s so personal. The MSM all about the sensationalism on this and if past electoral history is an example, it’s all over a boring, predictable result. Not worth the pain.

  215. 215.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 3, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @Adam L Silverman: it’s even more childish than that – they’ve been claiming the Clintons are crocks for years, finding nothing, looking like idiots and now found she broke a rule, so they were right all along, you see! It’s all emotion and no reasoning.

  216. 216.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 3, 2016 at 8:55 am

    @Pogonip:

    If he was a sociopath his presidential bid would have been more successful.

    and had more biker chicks.

  217. 217.

    Tarragon

    November 3, 2016 at 10:31 am

    @piratedan:
    Anyone figure out where that’s a screenshot from? I’d like to be able to link back to source.

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