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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / Cranky-Ass Hens and Big Fat Chickens

Cranky-Ass Hens and Big Fat Chickens

by Betty Cracker|  November 6, 20169:06 am| 284 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, General Stupidity

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henpeckedMy chickens get to free-range under our supervision just about every evening, but during the day, they are confined to a 320-square-foot coop containing a hen house. They scratch around in the coop all day long and have dug up some interesting things over the years, including vintage toys and large, mysterious bones.

This morning, I went out to distribute some scraps and tripped over what appears to be a farm implement of some sort, oxidized beyond all recognition — perhaps a hoe head? The chickens rushed me when I stumbled, battling over the scraps I’d dropped and pecking my (unfortunately!) sandal-shod feet to scoop up bits of apple peels that had landed there.

It was mildly alarming. But if I were a Trump campaign operative, I’d headline this incident as follows:

Heroic Food Purveyor Fends Off Dastardly Attack by Ravening Horde of Velociraptors!

I say that because Team Trump is trying to spin the incident last night — in which a Republican protester unfurled a “Republicans Against Trump” sign and was tackled and ejected as Secret Service agents hustled Trump offstage — as an assassination attempt. Via WaPo:

Donald Trump Jr. and top aide retweet baseless allegation of assassination attempt

Trump was quickly rushed off-stage by Secret Service at a campaign rally in Reno, Nev., on Saturday night as a scuffle erupted in the crowd directly in front of the stage and a man was led away. It wasn’t immediately clear exactly what had happened.

But amid the chaos, some people seemed sure. Within minutes, at least two top Trump campaign voices — Donald Trump Jr., and top social media aide Dan Scavino — passed along unsubstantiated claims that the GOP nominee had just survived an “assassination attempt.”

Christ on a crumpet. I’m sure it was a genuinely scary incident — someone allegedly yelled “Gun!” The gun-humpers in attendance briefly regained enough sense to want to avoid the unwarranted and unauthorized presence of an instrument designed to cause swift death.

And as much as I despise the shrieking, hirsute, apricot-hued shit-sack, I don’t resent a cent of my tax dollars going to protect Trump during this campaign. As we are all too aware, this country is chock-full of dangerous lunatics with unrestricted access to powerful firearms.

But seriously, they’re going to try to milk the fact that they panicked over nothing for sympathy votes? My cranky-ass hens are braver and more sensible than those big fat chickens.

Open thread!

PS: I highly recommend today’s garden chat, even for non-gardeners. Valued commenter WaterGirl shares a lovely story of remembrance, renewal and hope.

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    November 6, 2016 at 9:11 am

    Agree about the garden chat

    Interesting post on canvassing at LGM.

  2. 2.

    aimai

    November 6, 2016 at 9:12 am

    Love you so much, Betty!

  3. 3.

    WereBear

    November 6, 2016 at 9:17 am

    What is truly astonishing about the Deplorables is how their hero is the Most Deplorable of them all.

    Their dream world has become a nightmare, and the longer they put off facing that, the longer they will be down there in it.

    Wake up!

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    November 6, 2016 at 9:19 am

    Will Carrot Flop channel Green Day for the first ever musical concession?

    Maybe have Himself and his entire irredeemable, odious clan/Klan dance on stage?

  5. 5.

    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 9:23 am

    I noticed Trump’s hair didn’t move while being hussled offstage. His body has to have absorbed a toxic amount of lacquer over the years. Could this be the link to explain his insanity?

  6. 6.

    Baud

    November 6, 2016 at 9:25 am

    My cranky-ass hens are braver and more sensible than those big fat chickens.

    And more productive.

  7. 7.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 9:31 am

    When I saw the title Cranky-Ass Hens and Big Fat Chickens, I thought maybe you were calling us names after reading one of the overnight threads. :-)

    Trump and his family have no sense of shame. Not Trump, not his wife, not his kids. It’s disgusting.
    Trump: Vote for me, I’m a pathetic, whiny coward. And a bully.

  8. 8.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 9:34 am

    Betty, thanks for your PS and your kind words about the garden chat. (Baud, too.)

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 9:36 am

    The pups got me up early this morning. And so it begins… a week or more of trying to explain to the pups and the kitties that no, it’s not time for breakfast /lunch /dinner yet.

  10. 10.

    Luthe

    November 6, 2016 at 9:38 am

    You’ve found the official Ballon Juice rusty farm implement of self-fornication! Keep it handy; there’s plenty of call for it in these parts.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 9:38 am

    Ack! Ambulatory Cream Cheese Sculpture on my TV!

  12. 12.

    Karen S.

    November 6, 2016 at 9:38 am

    Yes. Yes, they are going to milk the fact that they panicked over nothing in an attempt to get sympathy votes, and they may get a few. The Trump campaign is shameless and people inclined to vote for Hair Fuhrer are, on the whole, mean spirited and gullible.

  13. 13.

    tobie

    November 6, 2016 at 9:38 am

    Republicans love nothing more than painting themselves as victims. You know their shtick–‘war on Xmas,’ ‘silenced by PC culture and the liberal media,’ ‘discriminated against because of affirmative action,’ ‘derided by the elite,’ etc. They’re spinning this story of a protestor as an assassination attempt because they know it will fire up their base. And CNN as always is carrying the water for them. That network–among others–really needs to be exposed after this election for its consistent conservative bias this cycle. Shameful.

  14. 14.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 9:41 am

    America’s Worst Editorial Cartoonist was interviewed for a blurb on CBS Sunday Morning.

    I don’t remember which CBSer filed the story, but his remarks weren’t worth shit.

  15. 15.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2016 at 9:42 am

    @debbie:
    more likely tertiary syphilis.

  16. 16.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 9:44 am

    CBS Battleground
    Trump up one point in Ohio (46%-45%),

    Interesting. The story has been Trump would take Ohio but I never saw any indication Clinton was giving up on it- none-other than the reporting about a month ago that they were pulling out (which must have been wrong because they didn’t pull out).

    She probably doesn’t need it and it might be more of a pain in the ass than it’s worth because Trumpsters will be a giant pain in the ass screaming voter fraud if it’s close, but it is interesting that it might still be in play.

  17. 17.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 9:45 am

    Polls are tightening, you guys! Did you realize that? POLLS.TIGHTENING.

  18. 18.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2016 at 9:45 am

    @ThresherK:
    only fair since they had America’s second worst painter on and a story about the second worst President in US history.

    It was Mara Liason I think.

  19. 19.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2016 at 9:46 am

    @Corner Stone:
    WHY AM I JUST HEARING THIS NOW?

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 9:47 am

    @Kay: Kay, I was thinking that you said recently that you thought Clinton would win Ohio. Did I make that up?

    Also, I’d just like to take a minute to say how much I have appreciated your voice these past couple of months, especially in the past couple of weeks when you have been channeling my anger at the FBI and everything else that has been going on.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 9:48 am

    @Schlemazel: Now that’s funny.

  22. 22.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 9:50 am

    @Schlemazel: Also too, Trump is coming for all your Minnesota.

  23. 23.

    dmsilev

    November 6, 2016 at 9:51 am

    @Corner Stone:

    Polls are tightening, you guys! Did you realize that? POLLS.TIGHTENING.

    Heh. Meanwhile, in the world of professional pollers, Hillary Clinton Is Leading In A Greater Portion Of Polls Than Obama Was In The Last Two Elections. I’m going to start a Kickstarter campaign to tie a bunch of journalists down with their eyes strapped open, ala A Clockwork Orange, as a bunch of basic statistics texts are projected on a screen. I trust I can count on your support?

  24. 24.

    NotMax

    November 6, 2016 at 9:51 am

    The biggest problem with changing the clocks for you who do is that it means one more hour of having to endure he who shall not be elected.

  25. 25.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 9:51 am

    @Schlemazel: I didn’t catch the painter’s name, but calling him “second worst” is doing damage to the names “Leroy Nieman” and “Thomas Kincaide”.

    I guess it’s funny to listen to a hack like Ramirez call himself a “conservative journalist” in an 8-minute piece, including Colbert, where CBS can’t be bothered with the axiom “facts have a well-known liberal bias”.

    PS “AGoodCartoon” on Tumblr is a great way to see all the worst political cartoons without having to search them out. And of course it’s run by a saint who subjects themselves to all that shit so I don’t have to.

  26. 26.

    Lois Radford

    November 6, 2016 at 9:52 am

    When the “assassination attempt” happened last night, I immediately logged on to Twitter and watched a bunch of individual videos being Tweeted. From what I could tell, a lone, white guy, held up a sign that read “Republicans Against Trump.” Trump immediately shouted, “Get him out of here.” At which time the protestor was wrestled to the ground. Then, Trump shouted. “He’s a Hillary supporter!” And someone in the audience responded, “C*NT!” Which was misheard by the Secret Service as “GUN!” They immediately shuffled The Donald off stage. No gun was ever found. I’m fully expecting Trump to demand a Purple Heart.

  27. 27.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 9:53 am

    @Kay: When you take a look at who is campaigning on her behalf in OH it sure looks like HRC is not giving up on it. King James is a natural but the Castro brothers, Wendy Davis, Jay-Z and etc? Jim Brown isn’t exactly chicken feed scraps either in OH.

  28. 28.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 9:53 am

    @WaterGirl:

    Ohio is weird this time because there’s no indication they think they’re losing. My son got two local calls to return his absentee ballot (he did) and I had a live canvasser at the door looking for my husband yesterday- he votes on election day. That’s like Obama campaign levels of pestering voters :)

    I know they were having trouble getting people for GOTV Tuesday but that’s normal- we don’t have that many activist Democrats and a lot of them are poll workers. There has to be a D (or an I) for every R at a polling station so we run out of Democrats on election day itself.

  29. 29.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2016 at 9:56 am

    @Corner Stone:
    I think that is great! I stand as good a chance of taking MNs 10 EVs as cheeto dust turd does. he can waste all his time here he wants.

  30. 30.

    satby

    November 6, 2016 at 9:57 am

    @dmsilev: I’m totally in.

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 9:57 am

    @Lois Radford:

    And someone in the audience responded, “C*NT!” Which was misheard by the Secret Service as “GUN!”

    Did you make that part up, or is it true?

    I am still laughing about it, and I am hoping that it’s true and not poetic license.

    edit: You know, that whole paragraph could be something from the onion.

  32. 32.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 9:58 am

    @dmsilev:

    I trust I can count on your support?

    No. BECAUSE EMAILS

  33. 33.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 9:59 am

    @Corner Stone:

    I have heard my whole adult life that Clinton is ” a fighter” but it honestly got on my nerves because it seemed like just this thing people said- Chris Matthews saying it immediately discredits it- but I am genuinely impressed. She is a fighter. She’s tough. Strickland was a horrible candidate and the OH Senate race imploded and she seemed to be 5 points down but she’s still throwing all this effort into the state.

  34. 34.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 6, 2016 at 9:59 am

    I have to point out that on Friday night, Lawrence O’Donnell referred to and actually addressed Sam Wang as Sam Wong. Irrelevant but amusing.

  35. 35.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 9:59 am

    @Kay: Interesting!

  36. 36.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 10:00 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: ouch!

  37. 37.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2016 at 10:01 am

    @ThresherK:
    I am not unaware of Mr. Nieman but I believe the other one is who I had in mind. Isn’t he the one that does those horrible ‘historical’ paintings? That guy earned worst ever.

    Here is the site I go to every day for political cartoons. They do not carry everyone but many I don’t see on gocomics.com. There are several “self published’ clowns there that make the one on TV this morning look like Rembrandt and Einstein had a child who does political cartoons.

  38. 38.

    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 10:01 am

    @Kay:

    The pulling out of Ohio a month ago was for Strickland, wasn’t it?

  39. 39.

    Harold M Persing

    November 6, 2016 at 10:02 am

    @dmsilev: Where do I sign up?

  40. 40.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 10:05 am

    The NBC/WSJ national poll MSNBC is touting has Johnson at 6%. Looking forward to see how his voters break on election day when he receives 1% or less of the vote.

  41. 41.

    Jim Parish

    November 6, 2016 at 10:06 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: “Wong” is the correct pronunciation.

  42. 42.

    Joel

    November 6, 2016 at 10:06 am

    @Baud: I canvassed entirely white voters in western PA and they had no issues. Elderly folk, mostly, and some touched by the holocaust. They have perspective.

  43. 43.

    amk

    November 6, 2016 at 10:07 am

    Tony Schwartz @tonyschwartz

    Trump ever more nuts about Hillary having celebs & him having none. She’s “cheating.” No Donald, it’s simply because they all despise you.

    7:58 AM – 6 Nov 2016

  44. 44.

    guachi

    November 6, 2016 at 10:08 am

    In Ohio (and many other states) the Republican districts are marginal so increased Democratic turnout might be enough to flip them to a Democratic Representative.

    The same is true in Florida, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. The marginal Republican districts far outnumber the marginal Democratic districts. (Using PVI.) There are 11 districts less than +10R in Ohio but zero D districts. It’s 5-0 in VA, 9-1 in MI, 13-3 in FL, 4-1 in MN, 6-6 in NY (but it’s all the R districts in the state), 10-1 in PA, and 4-1 in WI.

  45. 45.

    Kathleen

    November 6, 2016 at 10:09 am

    @Kay: I think she’ll take Ohio. Gut feeling based on anecdotal evidence while canvassing. People will get out and vote for her. The GOTV org is very good in Hamilton County.

    ETA: Also, too what Water Girl said in #20.

  46. 46.

    Peale

    November 6, 2016 at 10:09 am

    @Corner Stone: if the election were held November 28, he would surely win. Momentum, media bias, and vote Fraud so massive that the cops are too overwhelmed to arrest all the Democrat illegal voters…really destroying his candidacy right now.

  47. 47.

    pamelabrown53

    November 6, 2016 at 10:10 am

    @Kay:
    Kay, There’s a new Columbus Dispatch poll out today and it’s Hillary 48; Trump 47!

  48. 48.

    Mike E

    November 6, 2016 at 10:10 am

    @Schlemazel: too many LOUD NOISES

  49. 49.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2016 at 10:12 am

    off the current topics but it was brought up last night
    I watched the first two episodes of “Dirk Diggly” what a hot mess. If they tried to be just a little bit ‘kookier’ I think they would run the episodes in reverse. I wondered how they would translate the books to images & it probably was not possible to do well. I may watch more episodes but they are on a short leash.

    Some good acting though.

  50. 50.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 10:12 am

    I am not of the opinion that surrogates move too many votes but I think it does kind of speak to the candidates themselves. And when you look at who HRC has on her side closing this election season down and you take a look at the absolute emptiness on the Trump side of the ledger….shouldn’t that be as clear a signal as possible?

    And can we all agree to take some of dmsilev’s kickstarter funds and pay KellyAnn Conway to go away, forever.

  51. 51.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2016 at 10:14 am

    @Mike E:
    That really should be Trumps middle name, not the ‘J’.
    Donald Too Many Loud Noises Trump

  52. 52.

    Kathleen

    November 6, 2016 at 10:14 am

    @debbie: Thanks for providing the link in last evening’s thread. Every election my precinct information and voting location change. It’s almost as if they’re trying to confuse us.

  53. 53.

    Larkspur

    November 6, 2016 at 10:16 am

    @Joel:

    I canvassed entirely white voters in western PA and they had no issues. Elderly folk, mostly, and some touched by the holocaust. They have perspective.

    If you ever want to write a longer story about this, I’d love to read it. Thx.

  54. 54.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 10:18 am

    @Schlemazel: Nieman had a spell in the 70s or so, largely with sports subjects done in a wild pallette of colors.

    That editorial cartoons is a useful site to which I’ll return; thanx. I value the good ones after reading a raft of others which are based on facts are things “everyone knows” that simply aren’t so.

    Speaking of which, is the corpse of Mark Russell doing his biting BothSides comedy schtick this autumn?

  55. 55.

    Ivan X

    November 6, 2016 at 10:19 am

    I’m on a bus to PA to GOTV this AM. Campaign has it together.

  56. 56.

    Doug R

    November 6, 2016 at 10:20 am

    @Corner Stone: EMAILS?

  57. 57.

    Elizabelle

    November 6, 2016 at 10:20 am

    @Corner Stone: not into paying Kellyanne one cent. It’s all she’s about. Cash for performance.

  58. 58.

    Brachiator

    November 6, 2016 at 10:20 am

    But seriously, they’re going to try to milk the fact that they panicked over nothing for sympathy votes? My cranky-ass hens are braver and more sensible than those big fat chickens.

    I don’t get this. Knowing that something was nothing in retrospect and reacting in the moment are not the same thing. The Guardian story on this incident detailed two previous incidents, one in which a guy rushed the stage, and another in which a guy tried to grab a policeman’s gun and shoot Trump.

    One thing that is interesting and disturbing is the degree to which Trump supporters are willing to act as a goon squad for him, even possibly putting themselves in harm’s way.

    The gun-humpers in attendance briefly regained enough sense to want to avoid the unwarranted and unauthorized presence of an instrument designed to cause swift death.

    No one was shot. I’m not even reading that anyone pulled a gun.

    That said, that Trump’s people are suggesting that this was a real attempt on his life is typical. Propaganda is their thing. It will only solidify the support of their base and help keep Trumpism alive even if he loses the election.

  59. 59.

    jeffreyw

    November 6, 2016 at 10:21 am

    Moar Prisma fun! Bitsy likes the ledge my belly makes.

  60. 60.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 6, 2016 at 10:21 am

    @Corner Stone:

    I am not of the opinion that surrogates move too many votes but I think it does kind of speak to the candidates themselves.

    Agreed but I think it reassures voters: ‘All the “right” people are for her too.’ and that should help the GOTV.

  61. 61.

    Elizabelle

    November 6, 2016 at 10:22 am

    @Ivan X: enjoy! You will meet some great people at the doors. And then you look past them, into their living room, and CNN has some horse race caption up. On mute.

  62. 62.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 10:22 am

    @Corner Stone: This will be another excuse for Trump to try save face.

    “Johnson Nadered me”

  63. 63.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    November 6, 2016 at 10:22 am

    @Baud:

    Thanks for the link. This lady nails it at the end of that LGM post:

    Only a few people want to take advantage of the captive audience to talk politics, but one woman, just getting home from a double shift as I arrived to her house, was pure gold. I’m going to reconstruct my favorite part of her rant as faithfully as possible, but I’m not doing is justice–it was just a marvelous, angry, hilarious rant. The gist of it:

    Look, I get it, you white people* had a hard time with Obama being president so you need a racist president. I get it. I don’t like it but I get it. But what I don’t get is why you needed a racist who is so goddamn crazy and stupid! Couldn’t you find a racist who could actually know how to run the damn government? I mean, I wouldn’t vote for him–he’d still be bad for people like me–but at least he’d know what he’s doing? What good does it do the damn white people when Trump shits the bed? It’s not like there’s some other special country they move to when he takes this country down. We get a black president and he does a pretty good job, and your response is murder-suicide? You white people need to get smarter about how you do this racism thing.

  64. 64.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 10:22 am

    Bob Scheiffer is totally sucking someone’s knob on CBS. Nice to see an old white guy totally gloss over claims of “The election is rigged” by a major party.

    Hey, you useless flaming bag of shit, even Brian Williams had a moment of journalism this month. Give up TV and go onto the lecture circuit, where you can be ignored.

  65. 65.

    Elizabelle

    November 6, 2016 at 10:23 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I think PBO and Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden can change some minds that are actually open to change.

  66. 66.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 6, 2016 at 10:23 am

    THIS CHART: 800+ Polling Places Closed Since SCOTUS Gutted The Voting Rights Act

    403 in TX alone. Don’t think TX is gonna flip anytime soon.

  67. 67.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 6, 2016 at 10:24 am

    @Jim Parish: Seriously? Don’t steer me wrong on this because I trust you!

  68. 68.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 10:26 am

    Now let’s be fair: if that guy had held up a bucket of KFC insted of a sign Trump would have rushed at him just as fast as your hens rushed you.

  69. 69.

    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 10:28 am

    @Kathleen:

    Exactly! And why John Husted must always, ALWAYS be watched.

  70. 70.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 10:28 am

    @The Ancient Randonneur: I loved that. Whoever she is, she should have her own HBO special.

  71. 71.

    Thor Heyerdahl

    November 6, 2016 at 10:32 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: I’ll second Jim’s comment. That is the correct pronunciation. Like “aw” and not a nasal “eh” sound (wasn’t sure how to best explain this).

  72. 72.

    Macbethchick

    November 6, 2016 at 10:34 am

    @dmsilev: I’m in. PayPal okay?

  73. 73.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    November 6, 2016 at 10:36 am

    Great new feel good video from the Clinton campaign: The Story of US

  74. 74.

    The Lodger

    November 6, 2016 at 10:37 am

    @ThresherK: The Capitol Steps will be at the Schnitz in Portland on election night. That’s almost as bad.

  75. 75.

    Ivan X

    November 6, 2016 at 10:38 am

    @Elizabelle: Ha. Thanks. We were warned that the bigger obstacle might be football.

    They gave us an Uber promo code for getting around the suburbs. I’m impressed!

  76. 76.

    PPCLI

    November 6, 2016 at 10:40 am

    @Peale: So True! Just like Romney totally would have won all 50 states if Hurricane Sandy hadn’t given Obama a chance to look presidential and to show that unlike his crony-appointing, incompetent predecessor, he had set up an organization that could cope with a disaster effectively.

    It’s pretty clear that the decision in 1845 to make election day the first Tuesday in November was a plot by the Democrat party. RIGGED!

  77. 77.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 6, 2016 at 10:40 am

    The entire Drumpf clan, less Ivana, Marla, Tiffany, and Barron, to include all surrogates (particularly Ghouliani) need to be removed from the public eye. If the Inuit will have them, I suggest all of them be exiled to a compound of igloos on the North Slope with a Faraday Cage built around it. Alternative: somewhere in the Amazon Basin in thatch huts with a Faraday Cage built around it.

  78. 78.

    dmsilev

    November 6, 2016 at 10:42 am

    @Corner Stone:

    And can we all agree to take some of dmsilev’s kickstarter funds and pay KellyAnn Conway to go away, forever.

    Oy! Start your own fundraiser! It’s a worthy cause, granted.

  79. 79.

    dr. luba

    November 6, 2016 at 10:42 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Our hospital system was bought out a few years back by a southern based hospital system. Which means that we now use their contractors for things like phone answering systems and communication. The system mispronounces the name of our hospital by calling it “hoo-ron” (instead of Huron). I also have to call my colleague Dr. Waaang (instead of her pronunciation of Wong) to get the communications system to call her for me.

    Those Chinese families that transliterated their names using British English get horribly mispronounced in the USA. Some go with the flow, others put in a lot of effort correcting people. I think they generally give up after a generation or two. Just like most Ukrainians and Poles I know……the immigrant experience!

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    Betty Cracker

    November 6, 2016 at 10:43 am

    @Brachiator: It’s totally understandable that they reacted with panic in the moment — that’s a sensible response if someone yells “GUN!” in a public place. What’s inexcusable is the post-incident spinning detailed at WaPo, in which Trump’s son and social media hack irresponsibly characterized it as an assassination attempt and retweeted “STOP DEMOCRAT VIOLENCE” slogans, etc. They’re still doing it this morning. Pathetic.

  81. 81.

    geg6

    November 6, 2016 at 10:47 am

    Hilz has two new closer ads. One is a 1-minute to run through to election. Positive and based on Katy Perry’s “Roar.” The other is a one-shot 2-minute ad for Monday night during CBS (“Kevin Can Wait”) and NBC (“The Voice”). Leaving all on the table.

    I’m with her. ROAR!!!!

  82. 82.

    Davis X. Machina

    November 6, 2016 at 10:47 am

    Some day your grandchildren will ask you “Where were you when the smoke detector at the Reichstag went off?”

  83. 83.

    Davis X. Machina

    November 6, 2016 at 10:50 am

    @GrandJury:

    @Corner Stone: This will be another excuse for Trump to try save face.

    “Johnson Nadered me”

    This will only confuse graduate students of the future already trying to figure out whether it was Clinton’s Johnson, or Johnson’s Clinton, that drove the GOP over the edge in the first place.

  84. 84.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 10:50 am

    @The Lodger: Whoopee! Four of them!

    If I want to see four people do some creative and incisive singing about current events, I’ll go to Forbidden Broadway. Granted, it’s theater events, but it’s still light-years better than Capital Steps.

    Hey, no right-winger has carved a backwards “H” into their face this election cycle! Maybe they’re getting smarter.

  85. 85.

    bemused

    November 6, 2016 at 10:51 am

    @WereBear:

    It’s jawdropping how easily Trumpanzees believe whatever Trump says and make excuses for his wretched character. Evangelical Republicans give Trump a free pass for breaking 9 of the 10 commandments because SC Justices/abortion. They’d probably still give him a pass for thou shalt not kill if we learned that Trump paid for abortions of women he may have impregnated.

    It kills me to read about those people who weren’t Trump fans until they spent 20 minutes talking to Trump or heard him speak and suddenly they became ardent supporters convinced that he will really do what he promises them he will do, deportation, economy, jobs, etc. Their conversions are based on nothing but Trump hot air and their own projection fantasies. They fill in the blanks all by their own selves.

  86. 86.

    WereBear

    November 6, 2016 at 10:55 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: They could be frozen in the Arctic.

    At least until global warming thaws everyone out; the Blob, the giant flying mantis, and Trump.

  87. 87.

    Davis X. Machina

    November 6, 2016 at 10:56 am

    @ThresherK:

    Hey, no right-winger has carved a backwards “H” into their face this election cycle!

    They’re working on the whole “How do you do a backwards “H” thing first…

  88. 88.

    Elizabelle

    November 6, 2016 at 10:57 am

    @Ivan X: football is actually useful. Means some are more likely to be home, and with friends and family you can remind. But no long winded spiels! There’s a game on.

  89. 89.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 6, 2016 at 10:58 am

    @Betty Cracker: Projection Betty, always it’s projection and nobody is listening except them.

  90. 90.

    PPCLI

    November 6, 2016 at 10:58 am

    @Davis X. Machina: Or “Where were you when Hindenberg said “OK, Papen: You and the rest of the Catholic Centre Party conservatives will be able to completely control that blowhard Hitler if I make him Chancellor, right? OK, done deal.” ?

  91. 91.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 10:59 am

    @bemused: It’s tribal. If you think about it that way it’s easier to understand. At least for me it is.

    So even if the tribe leader is against may of the things they say they stand for, he’s still the tribe leader.

  92. 92.

    smintheus

    November 6, 2016 at 11:00 am

    It’s not true that Trump panicked over nothing. The man was brandishing a sign, and paper cuts can be a real b!tch.

  93. 93.

    Scamp Dog

    November 6, 2016 at 11:00 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: The standard Mandarin pronunciation of Wang does sound more like Wong than something that rhymes with clang. I think it’s more like a short “a” sound in English. Of course, I have no idea how knowledgeable LOD is on pronouncing Chinese names, so who knows.

  94. 94.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 11:00 am

    @bemused:

    Evangelical Republicans give Trump a free pass

    Thought I’d shorten it a little without removing any of the accuracy.

  95. 95.

    Anonymous At Work

    November 6, 2016 at 11:04 am

    Betty: 31-10 Hogs. Woo Pig Sooie

  96. 96.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 11:04 am

    @Corner Stone: You never know when you might need all those extra letters and words that you just saved!

  97. 97.

    Jeffro

    November 6, 2016 at 11:05 am

    @Baud: “interesting” = pretty damn hilarious! Thanks Baud!

  98. 98.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 11:06 am

    @geg6: Links?

  99. 99.

    The Golux

    November 6, 2016 at 11:06 am

    @NotMax:

    Will Carrot Flop channel Green Day for the first ever musical concession?

    I’ve always been partial to this one.

    Ties right into the “I’ve got a lovely little basket of deplorables” thing.

    The first verse is Trumplethinskin’s campaign in a nutshell.

  100. 100.

    The Lodger

    November 6, 2016 at 11:08 am

    @ThresherK: Don’t be misunderestimatin’ those right wingers now.

  101. 101.

    Jeffro

    November 6, 2016 at 11:08 am

    @Corner Stone: 3%

    Not that I want it to be that high but hey at least it’s not higher. You’d think, considering everything we know about Johnson, he would actually be super-high by now…

  102. 102.

    Jeffro

    November 6, 2016 at 11:11 am

    @Davis X. Machina: LOLing here

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 11:12 am

    @ThresherK:

    Give up TV and go onto the lecture circuit, where you can be ignored.

    He has, the networks have been dragging their dinosaurs back to offer us their sage advice.

  104. 104.

    Lizzy L

    November 6, 2016 at 11:13 am

    At the campaign rally in Reno yesterday, Trump complained about a polling station Nevada being kept open late so that (early) voters could actually, you know, vote.

    Tuesday (and Mme. President!) can’t come soon enough. I signed up to make calls for the campaign on Monday, and I will do it, but I am really done with this election.

  105. 105.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 6, 2016 at 11:13 am

    It would he awesome if the supposedly sane conservatives in the media and politics would address this “event”…

    Hey, Frum, Will, McCain, Ryan, you wanna take a moment to call out your conservative spoiled-diaper cohorts and alert them that HRC did not order a hit and that the “gunman” was a Republican with a sign?

    Won’t matter… 27% of white America already believes the lie. My ex aunt-in-law is a prime example. 78 and certain Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim/atheist homosexual drug addict.

  106. 106.

    bemused

    November 6, 2016 at 11:13 am

    @GrandJury:

    The tribe be way more crazy-ass than Betty Cracker’s hens.

  107. 107.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 6, 2016 at 11:15 am

    @WereBear: The idea is to have the igloos melt around them through non-existent and/or Chinese conspiracy global warming. If they happen to freeze on one of the more old fashioned seasonal days, so much the better.

  108. 108.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 11:15 am

    @GrandJury:

    I guess this is the 1 minute Clinton closer ad someone else mentioned.

    Roar

  109. 109.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 11:16 am

    @bemused:

    They’d probably still give him a pass for thou shalt not kill if we learned that Trump paid for abortions of women he may have impregnated killed women.

    Fixed

  110. 110.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 11:17 am

    Stories like this are oddly…missing with Donald Trump:

    Thirty-five years ago a new roommate moved into the attic bedroom. We were both single and trying to figure out our future. My parents called and asked what I thought of him. Long distance calls were expensive, so my answer was short and to the point. Thirty-five years later we are both married, fathers of three adult children and experienced in our chosen fields. My parents still call to ask questions about Tim. Voice plans now allow for unlimited talk, but my brief answer has never changed: “He’s the best person I have ever met.”

  111. 111.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 11:17 am

    @amk:
    Adam reported that he’ll have Ted Nugent with him tomorrow, so he you liberals are wrong. He does so too have the huggest celebrities supporting him and willing to go to the mattresses with him. I bet good old Ted will use only the best words and he won’t use foul language unlike that nasty Jay-z.

  112. 112.

    JPL

    November 6, 2016 at 11:19 am

    @GrandJury: Donald also bought air time, but he’s running the anti-semeiic ad.

    Joe Scarborough thought it was a great ad because it appeals to populism. link

  113. 113.

    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 11:20 am

    @hovercraft:

    No, not Ted. He’ll just stick to the anti-Semitic stuff.

  114. 114.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 11:20 am

    @hovercraft: but will he use weapons?

  115. 115.

    The Lodger

    November 6, 2016 at 11:21 am

    Just out of curiosity, can anyone think of a bad political idea from any time in the last 200 years that some Republican hasn’t run with this year?
    I’m thinking of the Fugitive Slave Act, but I might have missed something.

  116. 116.

    Betty Cracker

    November 6, 2016 at 11:21 am

    @Anonymous At Work: I grudgingly acknowledged the superiority of the Hawgs in response to your comment in the appropriate thread last night. It smacks of bad manners to bring it up in this one.

  117. 117.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 6, 2016 at 11:22 am

    @Baud: Donald Drumpf: The white supremacist’s idea of the Aryan Superman.

  118. 118.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 11:22 am

    Columbus Dispatch scary-good:
    2012 Sen: Brown 51-45 (actual 51-45)
    2010 Gov: Kasich 49-47 (actual 49-47)
    2008 Obama 52-46 (actual 52-47)

    I remember the Kasich poll. I believe I attacked Nate Silver right about that time in the 2010 election :)

  119. 119.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 11:22 am

    @Kay: There seems to be something in my eye. Both eyes, in fact. Wonder what the odds are of that?

  120. 120.

    bemused

    November 6, 2016 at 11:23 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Ha, true. They might have some qualms about Trump abortions but not killing women, at least as long as they aren’t pregnant. After they deliver the baby, no prob.

  121. 121.

    Villago Delenda Est

    November 6, 2016 at 11:23 am

    @hovercraft: Wang, dang sweet poontang.

  122. 122.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 11:24 am

    Pretty good interview with Michael Moore on AMJoy. He didn’t go Full Michael Moore at any time.
    Never go Full Michael Moore.

  123. 123.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 11:25 am

    @Kay: From your link:

    That year he met a fellow student, Anne Holton, who shared his commitment to social justice. She began spending more time at the house and bringing over cookies. Tim was the last to understand where their relationship was heading. We would have told him earlier but we didn’t want Anne to stop baking.

    This guy is a good writer.

  124. 124.

    smintheus

    November 6, 2016 at 11:25 am

    @The Lodger: Invading Canada. Nobody has trotted that one out this year.

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    Villago Delenda Est

    November 6, 2016 at 11:27 am

    @JPL: Donald Drumpf’s shitty branded merchandise is made in Mexico and China, yet the offal that supports him doesn’t give a rats ass that he is lying directly in their faces.

  126. 126.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 11:27 am

    Steve Schale’s 2nd to last Florida Update

    All in all, just over 420K Floridians voted yesterday, it was the best net day of the cycle for Democrats.

    Total Ballots cast: 6,152,099

    Total Vote By Mail: 2,536,167 (42.2%)
    Total Early Vote: 3,615,932 (57.8%)

    Democrats: 2,435,493 (39.58%)
    Republicans: 2,403,171 (39.06%)
    NPA: 1,201,715 (21.35%)

    Total Margin: DEM +0.59%

    So far, through Friday, the electorate is 67.4% white, but among NPAs, it is 63.5% white. Among all voters, through Friday, it is 14.5% Hispanic, but among NPA’s, it is 20.2%

    Right now, I think about 65% percent of the likely electorate has voted. At the higher turnout rate, I think we will be between 66-67% of likely voters having voted through Sunday. Another way of looking at this – our early vote as of yesterday is 91 more people than voted in all of Pennsylvania in the 2012 election. EV Florida with 2 days to go would be the 5th largest voting state in America.

    Sunday voting in Florida is optional by county, and while most counties said no, all the major big counties said yes. It should be an opportunity for the Democrats to add to their margin.

    I don’t have yesterday’s diversity numbers, but based on voting patterns, there is no question in my mind we will go into Election Day under the 2012 standard of 67% white. The electorate is now under 67.6% white (67 In 2012), with Black and Hispanic voters continuing to grow in share of the electorate. Friday was 61 white to 39 non-whites. There is no question in my mind that the electorate will be more diverse than 2012.

    Miami and Orlando continue to over-perform. Fort Myers is the bright spot for Republicans. There are still another 3.4m or so likely votes, but I’m sure of one thing, the folks in Brooklyn have to be feeling better than the folks in Trump Tower.

    Head on over for more detailed analysis. Steveschale.com

  127. 127.

    amk

    November 6, 2016 at 11:27 am

    @Kay: so, what is their prediction this time?

  128. 128.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 11:27 am

    How in the hell did the bankrupt Trump Hotel in Toronto story get almost no traction???

    This is a candidate that is running on his ‘success’ as a businessman?

    I don’t usually believe in conspiracies but this is really strange to me.

    That’s just one of many stories that mysteriously never went anywhere. All were 10x more substantial and relevant compared to never ending chatter about friggin emails.

  129. 129.

    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 11:27 am

    @Kay:

    That is a great post!

  130. 130.

    Peale

    November 6, 2016 at 11:29 am

    @amk: Clinton n by 1%.

  131. 131.

    Latino J

    November 6, 2016 at 11:30 am

    We definitely need to wait until after Tuesday, but there might need to be some serious soul searching by all these poll aggregators and prognosticators about using partisan linked polls. Even if they are transparent an are somewhat within the margin of error, too many of these pollsters seem to exist solely for the purpose of showing a tight race.
    That doesn’t mean you get rid of all polls with partisan links. But to use FL as an example again – of the top 10 polls, 6 have Clinton winning. 1 is a tie. And 3 have Trump winning by 4. But 2 of those 3 polls with Trump,winning are Remington and Trafalgar – both (R) Republican pollsters. There are no (D) pollsters in the ten.

    I get using all polls in order to not bias your numbers. But it is no secret that certain public polls exist solely to create opinion instead of reflect it. Whatever, Tuesday night can’t get here fast enough.

  132. 132.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 11:31 am

    Installment 12,391 in “pundits are terrible judges of character”

    It was tough to feel any sense of satisfaction from this. Yes, the system worked, and the rule of law has been vindicated. Both Kelly and Bill Baroni are now felons.
    But the big guy got away.
    Gov. Chris Christie was smart enough to hide his tracks, guided no doubt by his years as a federal prosecutor. He is the firefighter who knows the tricks well enough to get away with arson.

    Political media-pundits- consistently admire bad people. They have to examine why they love bullies so much- why that job seems to self-select for people who admire fake tough guys. It’s a real problem! They make bad choices over and over and over. Who raises these people that all their heroes can be described with words like “swagger”?

  133. 133.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 11:31 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    I was wondering if he would remind us that he still considers Hillary a C**T.

  134. 134.

    amk

    November 6, 2016 at 11:32 am

    @GrandJury: Media was a total fail on everything from his tax returns to obnoxious rhetoric to even more obnoxious intent to zero policy enunciation.

  135. 135.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 11:33 am

    @Peale: Is that a snapshot if the election were held today or a 3 days into the future prediction?

    The downtrend stopped a couple days ago and there are still a couple days for things to edge up a bit.

    I guess early voting muddies that a bit.

  136. 136.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 11:34 am

    @amk:

    They have Clinton up 1. 1 is too close. 1 is within “screeching about voter fraud” distance. I feel sorry for election officials if it’s + 1 Clinton.

  137. 137.

    amk

    November 6, 2016 at 11:34 am

    @Peale: Thanks. I hope it comes through.

  138. 138.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 6, 2016 at 11:34 am

    Asked for her take on Clinton’s latest legal problems, Emily, a pizza store worker in South Point, summed it up this way: “She was in charge of this facility that had people there, and she got 30,000 emails and never ended up reading them, and then everybody at the facility died.” That’s evidently a conflation of the Benghazi scandal—itself pretty labyrinthine—with the current email saga, congealing to produce a generalized impression that Clinton is just up to no good. Emily’s not voting for Trump either, however.

    Asking ordinary voters about Clinton’s email scandal. Well played, media, well played.

  139. 139.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 11:35 am

    Well, that had the potential to be a really good segment re: demographics on AMJoy but for some fucking reason they included Omarosa as well as the two experts on the actual subject matter.
    Talk about nonsense and fantasyland. Sheesh.

  140. 140.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 11:37 am

    @amk: The other stange thing is how pu$$ygate mysteriously just stopped. Like someone turned off a faucet even though women were still coming forward.

    Yet somehow, the email thing just droned on and on. You cannot tell me that never ending email stories, mostly just the same story over and over, are a more clickable story than pu$$ygate.

    It’s really strange.

  141. 141.

    amk

    November 6, 2016 at 11:37 am

    @Kay: Nope. I hope it IS 1% and the racist pos of the ‘base’ go bonkers.

  142. 142.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 11:39 am

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: I asked my “mixed message medium info voter” ex about the recent update on emails and she had no idea what I was talking about. It’s all a big swirl the media just relentlessly keeps stirring the pot with in order to gin up interest and clicks.

  143. 143.

    Anya

    November 6, 2016 at 11:40 am

    @Kay: I can’t believe how terrible Strickland is at this. How did he win the nomination? Democrats need to work on building a viable bench of candidates at all levels. I wish POTUS would establish some sort of leadership group where he supports fostering local & national leadership. We’re not competitive in many places and we ceded so many seats. We basically gave up the south and we’re barely competitive in so many state houses. Those local folks become national candidates so we better start some investment in these local elections.

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    Fair Economist

    November 6, 2016 at 11:40 am

    @Kay:

    Strickland was a horrible candidate and the OH Senate race imploded and she seemed to be 5 points down but she’s still throwing all this effort into the state.

    Strickland wasn’t horrible, he was overwhelmed by dark money. Dark money has put $450 million into Congressional races this year, and the majority (literally) is Republican money into competitive Senate races. Don’t rag on any of the Dem Senate candidates; they’re doing their best in the face of a very destructive flood.

  145. 145.

    drylake

    November 6, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Just a short linguistic note here: O’Donnell was correct: it is pronounced “wong,” so all the jokes are somewhat misplaced. Having taught in SoCal for 20+ years I had innumerable students surnamed “Wang” and, fewer but still a good number, “Fang.” They were used to all the teasing and bad puns, having grown up with them, but still found it all incredibly annoying. They didn’t invent the spelling, it was two British 19th century gents named Wade and Giles. After all, I don’t recall all that many jokes about Weiner’s name until he himself, shall we say, brought them to the point.

  146. 146.

    Doug R

    November 6, 2016 at 11:42 am

    @GrandJury: Well, to spread a story properly you gotta have a link. Here’s the Seattle PI’s story on the Trump tower in Toronto going into receivership.

  147. 147.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 11:44 am

    @Corner Stone:
    I want to just cold cock her, she’s just like all the other Trump surrogates she just tries to fillibuster and talk over everyone else.

  148. 148.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 6, 2016 at 11:44 am

    @Kay:

    Yeah, I can’t get too excited about a 1% lead. I thought polls suggested a more robust lead for Hilz.

  149. 149.

    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 11:47 am

    @Fair Economist:

    It is about more than money. Strickland is a very weak candidate. He got the nomination because it was his “turn.” The establishment wanted the establishment candidate, and they annointed him as such and actively suppressed his challenger. PJ Settenfeld would have stood a better chance, but Strickland’s refusal to even debate him in the primary, in my opinion, sealed his fate. I’ll vote for him, but only because I hate Portman more.

  150. 150.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 11:47 am

    @Doug R: No, to spread a story you gotta have links from NYT, LATimes, WaPo, CNN etc.. Not from their “opinion” sections either. And to be clear it’s not YOUR links that are spreading those stores. It’s their links and hundreds of thousands of people like you linking to them.

    I hope you are not under some illusion that Ball Juice is a major website getting hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands or even thousands of unique visits a day.

  151. 151.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 11:48 am

    @Fair Economist:

    Strickland wasn’t horrible, he was overwhelmed by dark money. Dark money has put $450 million into Congressional races this year, and the majority (literally) is Republican money into competitive Senate races. Don’t rag on any of the Dem Senate candidates; they’re doing their best in the face of a very destructive flood.

    The dark money angle may be true. But look at all the other legit Senate races we’re talking about – NH, FL, NC, IN, WI, NV and it looks good for IL – and they are all competitive or somewhere in low single digits. Strickland is getting his doors blown off. That leads to the contemplation that he has ugly forces arrayed against him *and* he is a dog as a candidate.

    Forgot PA.

  152. 152.

    geg6

    November 6, 2016 at 11:48 am

    @GrandJury:

    Damn phone won’t let me, but TPM has the short one on the edoitor’s blog post about latest polls.

  153. 153.

    Another Scott

    November 6, 2016 at 11:49 am

    @Baud: Thanks for the pointer. I shortened the URL – goo.gl/OmIMxU
    – and passed it on to a friend who lives in Dayton. He’s an ABC, but maybe he’ll get a kick out of it anyway.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  154. 154.

    NoraLenderbee

    November 6, 2016 at 11:49 am

    @WaterGirl: Yes, thank you, Kay, for your commentary! (as well as your work)

  155. 155.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 11:49 am

    @drylake: According to the wiki, these can be all the same name translated to the Roman alphabet: Huáng, Hwang, Huong, Houang, Hoang, Wong, Waan (and more).

    So, it’s random translations from exactly two Brits? Wow. I mean, I’m old enough to remember when the city was called Peking, and now that’s only the duck.

  156. 156.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 6, 2016 at 11:50 am

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: That’s depressing and infuriating, even if I’m not really surprised by anything any of them said. Mostly less sophisticated, if equally thoughtful, versions of the NYT’s infamous justification for Ken Starr– with this much smoke, there must be a fire somewhere.

  157. 157.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 11:52 am

    @hovercraft: Just the stupid shit she was saying. Man alive, Trump is not going to draw in massive AA or Hispanic votes. If trends hold HRC may claim up to 80% of the Hispanic vote before this is over, with a massive record setting raw vote total as well.

  158. 158.

    Peale

    November 6, 2016 at 11:52 am

    @hovercraft: cable news reform…how do we do it? I’m sure there are plenty of photogenic conservative “demographic” experts to have on a morning show. But since they feel the need to make every discussion on these shows a shouting match, does it really matter who they invite on? Someone who is well known and preps for the topic by reading world net daily…someone whose job it is to analyise these things…all the same.

  159. 159.

    Doug R

    November 6, 2016 at 11:53 am

    @Kay: I think pundits loving jerks with swagger is really narcissism. The world of punditry doesn’t involve much skill except for sounding confident. They’re just recognizing fellow cons is all.

  160. 160.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 11:56 am

    @Fair Economist:

    Dark money has put $450 million into Congressional races this year, and the majority (literally) is Republican money into competitive Senate races. Don’t rag on any of the Dem Senate candidates; they’re doing their best in the face of a very destructive flood.

    It’s funny how everyone in the media and all of our activists forget about the Koch Brothers. Remember when we all made a big deal about their secret conferences that raised 900 million dollars. They did not play in the GOP primary, and when Trump won they said they weren’t going to play in the general. Where do you think that money went? When democrats were crowing about Evan Bayh having 9 million in his war chest, that was nothing. Each month as we’ve crowed about candidates beating their candidates in fundraising, we were being lulled into a false sense of security. The numbers we are going to see after this is all said and done will be staggering. While it’s true that money at the presidential level is not as important as it used to be, especially when the candidates are household names, down ballot it can make a huge difference.

  161. 161.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
    Mrs Andrea Mitchell Greenspan.
    I guess I’ll have to watch Jake Tapper, I hate him too though. What to do?

  162. 162.

    Doug R

    November 6, 2016 at 12:03 pm

    @GrandJury: Hey,I hear this is a top 10,000 blog.
    I saw links from the CBC, Bloomberg, Politico and the Toronto Star.

  163. 163.

    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 12:05 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    I think it’s Adam Pally, whoever that is.

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    Betty Cracker

    November 6, 2016 at 12:06 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): A one-point lead is excellent news in Ohio. Clinton has been trailing there.

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    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    @Lois Radford:

    C U Next Tuesday!

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    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    @Doug R: Are there 2 or 3 stories a day on their front pages about it, like with the never ending email story they just keep reposting day after day?

    This conversation is stupid. I don’t even know what point you think you are making. One story is being pushed, the other isn’t. The end.

  167. 167.

    Libby's Person

    November 6, 2016 at 12:07 pm

    Hillary is holding a midnight rally in Raleigh NC tomorrow night – I guess she thinks NC could go Blue after all! I’d LOVE to go, but I’ll be doing Voter Protection for Democracy NC at a polling place on Tuesday and my first shift starts at 6:30 am. Bleh. I hate getting up early, but I’ll feel like I’m doing something useful. I don’t expect real problems at the polling place I’ll be at, but it is in a more conservative area than where I live, so it will be good to keep an eye on things. I did GOTV activities during early voting; I decided that voter protection might be more important on Election Day.

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    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    That’s how he pronounces it.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 6, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    Eric Schultz ‏@ Schultz44 18m18 minutes ago
    New: Sen. Isakson tells Atlanta Journal Constitution he expects Senate to confirm Merrick Garland before January.

    Prediction: McCain, Grassley and Portman, and any other Rs just elected or likely retirees, vote to confirm. Upcoming class of ’18 all vote against

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    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 12:11 pm

    @GrandJury: Oh, hi shomi.

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    Amir Khalid

    November 6, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    @drylake:
    I remember reading a German newspaper story (in the Süddeutsche Zeitung, as I recall) which had to explain the pronunciation of his name to its readers. First of all, the English “w” consonant sound isn’t found in German — they call that letter “veh” and pronounce it in words as English speakers do the letter V. Second, the diphthong “ei” always rhymes with the English “eye”. So a German-speaker might see the name as “Weiner” (one who sighs/whines). It seems to me that the American English slang term “wiener/weener” for “penis”, which to my knowledge is used nowhere else, derives from “Wiener” (i.e. Viennese) as in sausage.

    I just saw a discussion forum in which a commenter suggests Anthony’s ancestors immigrated to America with the name “Wiener” (“Viennese”) which then got typoed/misspelled/mispronounced until it acquired its current pronunciation and spelling.

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    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    God damn. Andrea Mitchell has mentioned the “FBI letter” 4 times in the last two minutes.
    Fuck me.

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    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Hmm. Only the skinny (and scruffy!) photos of Adam Pally seem to look like the guy in the video, but maybe that is him. Whoever the hell Adam Pally is. (off to google some more) Thank you!

    The guy in the video is cute and charming and willing to be silly. That’s a winning combination for me! So I confess to having kind of a mini, instant crush on the guy. “It’s really fucking important!”

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    Peking Man

    November 6, 2016 at 12:19 pm

    @ThresherK: You forgot Peking Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peking_Man)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 6, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    @Corner Stone: is she doing it with a ‘balanced’ panel? For the love of god, one person ask her exactly what in that letter is so interesting.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 6, 2016 at 12:21 pm

    But seriously, they’re going to try to milk the fact that they panicked over nothing for sympathy votes?

    It also shows that they don’t get they are running for president and not doing a reality TV show. George Washington had many guns aimed at him, shrugged it off and got the job done. That’s part of the job.

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    hueyplong

    November 6, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    My plan had been to watch Fox News for the Schadenfreude, but I’m beginning to wonder whether a better dose would come from watching Andrea Mitchell have to swallow the result on MSNBC.

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    tobie

    November 6, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    Just saw on TPM that the 6th Circuit Court overturned the temporary restraining order against Roger Stone’s and Trump’s vote monitoring / voter intimidation efforts in Ohio. This just sucks. I gather the 5th and 6th Circuits are the two most conservative in the nation. Let’s hope Clinton can change that soon.

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    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 12:23 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It was a segment with Sen Shaheen and Andrea was using it to push it as the reason polls were tightening and why HRC wouldn’t win the Senate. And then what would she do?

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    It’ll be on her tombstone. Hillary is up, she’s going to win but Andrea wants to ask why she is not trusted, why the word cloud is so negative. Shaheen should have just said, it’s because idiots like you never have anything positive to say about her. Even when she has to report something positive about her you can’t resist sticking a shiv in at the end of the sentence.

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    Latino J

    November 6, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    I keep getting a database error went I try to get on Sam Wang’s website.

    Russian ?? Hackers working with Nate Silver and the Trumpistas.

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    lollipopguild

    November 6, 2016 at 12:26 pm

    @dmsilev: Do I get to pick the journalists?

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    HinTN

    November 6, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    @guachi: That’s exactly how the gerrymandering was done. Create lots of barely R leaning districts and cram huge surpluses of Ds into those D districts you must have. If Ds would all vote they could flip those marginal districts over half the time.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 6, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    Did MSNBC Chief Optics Correspondent Andrea Mitchell about the Optics of campaigning with Ted Nugent?

    Jon Favreau ‏@ jonfavs 2h2 hours ago
    This is who Trump is campaigning with today. Called Obama a subhuman mongrel and said Hillary should be hanged for treason

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    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 12:34 pm

    @tobie:

    I wouldn’t worry about it. A real grass roots voter effort takes a lot of organization. Months. They have to put actual people at polling stations in 88 counties.

    They can’t just wander in and start harassing voters, either. There are poll workers and there’s a lead poll worker and half of those poll workers are Democrats who either live in the precinct or the county.

    Election observers have to “enter” in Ohio- they file a doc with a court of common pleas or a county bd of elections. If they’re disruptive they can be held accountable. Polling places are like courthouses- the place itself seems to tamp down loonies- like civic religion :)

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    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 6, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Good heavens, can I claim to not have been fully awake? I thought the blurb was about Florida.

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    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 12:36 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:
    Teddy Roosevelt was shot on the way to a speech, and delivered the speech before seeking medical attention!

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    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I must say her national security experience has been very valuable during this long fake email scandal and the long fake Benghazi scandal prior to that.

    Maybe she wisely switched to the optics beat. Anyone can do that.

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 12:39 pm

    How deep does the blue wave go?
    Jon Ralston
    5:04 a.m. PST November 6, 2016

    Predicting electoral outcomes in the Year of Trump is a task most suited to someone almost as narcissistic and obnoxious.

    I’m here for you.

    Nevada is notoriously difficult to poll, and I have not believed surveys here for many cycles. Remember all those polls that guaranteed Harry Reid would lose in 2010? Sen. Sharron Angle? Paging Sen. Sharron Angle?

    Donald Trump may have been here this weekend, believing in the polls that show him ahead or competitive here. But like Bruce Willis in “The Sixth Sense” (spoiler alert), he does not realize he is dead.………

    The Democratic early voting effort, which was much more difficult with a nominee so many Democrats don’t like or trust, has been impressive — a valedictory statement from The Reid Machine. A nearly 73,000-ballot lead over Republicans for Democrats in Clark County beats the 2012 margin (71,000) — and President Obama won the state four years ago by nearly 7 points.

    The Democrats even have a 1,000-ballot edge in Washoe. Ominous………..

    About two-thirds of the votes already have been banked if the past is prologue, so unless the GOP can juice turnout to record levels on Election Day (especially in the rurals where Trump will win bigly) and win Tuesday by a huge margin (the Democrats won Election Day in 2012) and an unusual number of Democrats are voting for Trump (no reliable private polling shows this) and Trump wins independent voters by more than 20 points (reliable polling here shows him losing nonpartisans), he is cooked. Believe me!

    The only real question, I think, is how deep the blue wave goes. My guess: Very deep……..

    Enough, I think, combined with high Hispanic turnout to elect the first Latina in U.S. Senate history. Cortez Masto, 46 percent; Heck, 43 percent; rest and none of the above, 11 percent.

    He also has us picking up two congressional seats. If he’s right woo hoo.

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    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    @tobie:

    If you really want to suppress AA voters the thing to do is change state law to make it harder to vote or get an early start and “cage” or challenge registrations. It’s hard work. Takes planning and organization and lawmaker buy-in.

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    FlipYrWhig

    November 6, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    @Doug R: Pundits by and large think politics is a cynical game, and they admire the politicians who refuse to try to please people. They also think being earnest and serious is wicked uncool.

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 12:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    Right now she’s too busy trading disparaging remarks with Sarah I Flores about Clinton, it took Flores to explain to her the reason they are focusing on PA and NH in the final stretch is that they do not have early voting so you have to push the GOTV at the last minute. It’s almost as if Greenspan has never covered an election before.

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    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    @Kay:

    If you really want to suppress AA voters

    If you want a masterclass in suppressing the AA vote then study up on NC. If you need to know how to depress Hispanic/Latino voters then sign up for TX’s expert level instruction.

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    Latino J

    November 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm

    @Kay:

    I also think that’s one of the reasons why actual voter fraud is so rare.

    Pretty much every poll worker I’ve ever met in the places I’ve voted (rural South Georgia, Tallahassee, Tampa, and Savannah) is an older person who is performing a civic duty. I might be naive (though I don’t think so), but these are people who take the process seriously. They seem happy to see you vote and intolerant of any shenanigans.

    But maybe I’ve just been fortunate.

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    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Like it was hard to figure out Chris Christie is an asshole bully. He’s not even a competent governor. His whole budget relies on bullshit. This is a person who proudly put up video of himself screaming at teachers. Why do they admire these people? They’re bad people.

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    Betty Cracker

    November 6, 2016 at 12:49 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: TR would likely say of Trump: “I could carve a better man out of a banana.”

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    bemused senior

    November 6, 2016 at 12:50 pm

    I was surprised to read my Facebook feed yesterday and discover that the guy with the poster in Reno was the brother in law of a Facebook friend. He was beaten by Trump’s supporters before being hustled out by the Secret Service, who released him after seeing that he didn’t have a gun.

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    jenn

    November 6, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    @Brachiator: I’m confused by your comment. There was no gun. There was a protester with a sign who got assaulted by Trump fans. All of these facts have been out almost immediately – that hasn’t stopped the Trump campaign from continuing to claim “assassination.” In the middle of the incident, not knowing what’s going on and spouting off anyway is bad. Continuing to spout off that crap even after the incident has turned out to be 100% otherwise is unacceptable.

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    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    @Latino J:

    No, you’re generally right because it’s not a good job. It’s a really long day and it pays next to nothing. The process itself tends to weed out rabid partisans too because it’s so rule-bound and nitpicky.

    I’ve been involved in for about a decade and if I could change one thing I’d break up the shift. I’d put fresh people in after 6 hours because the last hour is the hardest (reconciling your books, essentially) and by then a lot of them have been there 10, 11, 12 hours. The most difficult part is when they’re the most tired. More people might do it too if the shifts were shorter. It can be something simple- they skipped a line and that’s why the ballot count and book don’t match but they’re tired so they can’t find the error.

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    @bemused senior:
    YOU LIE !!
    I read that he was a ninja assassin sent by Hitlery to kill America’s future.
    The media want Hitlery to win so they are suppressing the news to help her win.

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    Doug R

    November 6, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    @srv: Secession is a bad idea, but I see nothing wrong with California getting more senators, even just doubling up.

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    tobie

    November 6, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    @Kay: Thanks, Kay. I know you’re in the know about all of this and I’m glad you and Bella are based in Ohio and working to protect the vote.

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    Sab

    November 6, 2016 at 1:01 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I have some Chinese in-laws and they say Wong, Wang and Huang are all the same name in Chinese.

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    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 1:01 pm

    @Corner Stone: Be kind to her — she has to look at Alan Greenspan every morning.

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    retiredeng

    November 6, 2016 at 1:02 pm

    Ah, chickens.

    I recently visited my 93 year old aunt in rural NH. She’s still going strong with failing eyesight. But the odd part of my visit is that she has about 10 chickens wandering around her house.

    The story goes like this. A year ago her great granddaughter (living next door) hatched a dozen or so eggs for 4-H or a science project and then left with her mom due to a marriage gone bad. The punch line is that my aunt was thinking about bringing the chickens inside for the winter and (I’m not really sure if she was serious) talking about putting diapers on them.

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    @Kay:
    Chris Christie was yelling at teachers, his budget gimmick was to fuck with the public pensions. The media is all in with the “school reformers” and they like the privatization of public pensions. He had the right enemies and was doing it in a blue state, so he was a hero. His pal across the river is also popular with the media, but he’s not popular with his base, so he doesn’t get the fawning press that Christie used to.

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    FlipYrWhig

    November 6, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    @Kay: They admire that he doesn’t do what they think of as the usual politician thing: trying to please everyone as much as possible. The script is to be nice; that’s the meaning of the word “politic.” They always fall for that ploy. The same thought process is why they like Democrats who want to cut “entitlements”: it shows a willingness to be upsetting.

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    James E Powell

    November 6, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    @Scamp Dog:

    I thought the “an” in Wang was more like the “an”in “want” than the “on” in “long”

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    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 1:04 pm

    @Betty Cracker: In this case, he wouldn’t really need to carve it — he could just kind of mush it together with his bare hands.

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 1:05 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Be kind to her — she has to look at Alan Greenspan every morning.

    No, she chose to marry him and stay married to him. She is financially independent, and has no kids, so he is her choice. She made her bed so she can just sleep in it with her Crypt Keeper.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 1:06 pm

    @Kay: My experience in WI has generally been that the poll workers take their jobs seriously and that they would be genuinely outraged if someone tried any antics at their polling place. They get virtually no pay and table full of snacks that they probable made themselves. They are there because they believe in what they are doing – even the ones in poor, rural townships that I know are voting Trump.

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    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 1:09 pm

    @tobie:

    That’s what so bewildered me when the voter fraud thing started (around 2000 is when they really geared up) because that is SO not the attitude and atmosphere in the sort of “poll worker community”. It’s like “hi, what’s your name please?” It’s not “are you IMPERSONATING SOMEONE ELSE?” I mean, Jesus. What the hell is that? Where did this hostility and suspicion come from?

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    James E Powell

    November 6, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    @Kay:

    They have to examine why they love bullies so much- why that job seems to self-select for people who admire fake tough guys.

    People who apply their brains and their organizing skills to solve problems are boring.

    People like Christie provide good stories and spicy quotes that draw viewers and readers.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    November 6, 2016 at 1:10 pm

    Ten minutes in, and the Browns starting center has been ejected.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    November 6, 2016 at 1:15 pm

    An older lady at the gym is taking the training to be a poll worker. She was talking about it this week, and said that there were so many safeguards that she couldn’t see how people would cheat. The wingnut in the class was surprised to hear this, and startled to learn that there were official poll watchers from both parties.

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    Kathleen

    November 6, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    @debbie: I regret not voting for PG, but I don’t think it would have made a difference. At the time I thought Ted was the better candidate because of name recognition in the state. Portman – GAAAACK.

    Somewhat OT, on my local R&B station who targets GenX and Baby Boomer African Americans, Rethuglicans have been running lots of ads. Some PAC not associated with Trump campaign has run tons of ads, during which Ben Carson’s name is invoked. Rob Portman started running ads and was endorsed by a long time African American activist/pastor/community leader Damon Lynch. Now Congressman Combover (Steve Chabot, Ohio 1st) is running ads. I find that interesting, especially considering how they don’t want African Americans to vote period. Have you seen that up in Columbus?

  217. 217.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 1:17 pm

    Chris Wallace To Pence: ‘You Think All Those Hispanics Are Coming Out To Vote Trump And Not Clinton? Really?’
    By John Amato
    Gov. Mike Pence almost made Fox News Sunday’s Chris Wallace burst out in laughter this morning when he claimed Trump’s Hispanic rallygoers in Miami signaled a big voting turnout for Trump from the Latino community.

    Kellyanne Conway Suggests Trump Protester Deserved Beating Because He Was ‘Probably A Plant’
    By David

    Conway Attacks CNN When Asked About ‘Assassination Attempt’ Claims

  218. 218.

    Kay

    November 6, 2016 at 1:18 pm

    This is a good piece:

    Ms. Vargas, who is from El Salvador, and her Latina union colleagues are a growing force in the politics and culture of Nevada, vocal in their beliefs and expectations. Their 57,000-member Culinary Union, a powerful supporter of Nevada Democrats, is now 56 percent Latino — a jump from 35 percent just 20 years ago.

    I heard a group of them interviewed on the radio- the BBC- last week and they were great.

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    Kathleen

    November 6, 2016 at 1:23 pm

    @hovercraft: Why should a cable star have to sully her beautiful, well connected self by learning details of a process when she can just spout scripted cliches?

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    Doug R

    November 6, 2016 at 1:25 pm

    I had no trouble finding Wang.
    He has an article on Nevada that seems to agree with Ralston.

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    Jeffery

    November 6, 2016 at 1:30 pm

    Ha! I guess the secret service took Trump’s advice to grab that p–sy.

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    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 1:31 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: What are these snacks that you guys talk about at polling places. I have never seen snacks here. Ever. Not since I started voting in 1972.

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    bemused senior

    November 6, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    @WaterGirl: we don’t find snacks at our polling place, but our Post office puts them out on April 15.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    @WaterGirl: There is often an area that is for poll workers only. The snacks would be there. Usually homemade cookies and the like.

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    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 1:42 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hmm. I was a poll worker in 2008 and I thought I would spontaneously combust from rage at the shenanigans of the Republican County Clerk who kept people from doing the register/vote thing during the allowed period for that in Illinois. And now i find out that there were supposed to be snacks and there weren’t any? Grrr.

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    D58826

    November 6, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    @tobie: Decision issued by a Bush 41 and Bush 43 appointee. Apparently they issued the stay even before the defendants had filed the papers for an appeal. I guess that just wanted to add their thumbs to the Comey scale.

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    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    @Kathleen:

    No, but to not even give him a chance to debate, I thought, was very old school (in a bad, corrupt way).

    I’m not aware of any overwhelming AA support for Portman in Columbus. What I do hear is how he’s going to save the unions by getting rid of the treaties (which he negotiated) and protecting their pensions (which he wants to privatize). If it weren’t so sad, I’d be laughing. These guys are so desperate, they’ll believe anything. Just like those little guys believing there was no risk to buying a home well beyond their means.

    My memory’s lousy. What part of Ohio are you from?

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    Anya

    November 6, 2016 at 1:48 pm

    I cringe every time I see someone referring to Andre Mitchell as Mrs Greenspan. Do we do that with male guys married to politicians or odious characters. She’s horrible all by herself no need to surrender our values.

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    Doug R

    November 6, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    @WaterGirl: You could always bring some. Here’s a cookie recipe I found online.

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    Jeffro

    November 6, 2016 at 1:49 pm

    @hovercraft: amen and it is not just the Kochs – the Mercers are heavily involved in this as well

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    Haroldo

    November 6, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    @WaterGirl: There are Wisconsinites and then there are FIBs.

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    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 6, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    In a reply to a comment on his blog, Wang said that O’Donnell got it right.

    As with a lot of surnames, Wong/​Wang/​Huang depends on the individual: which written Chinese character is being romanized and which spoken dialect (Mandarin, Cantonese or other) the person comes from. Interesting blog post on the subject here.

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    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    November 6, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    @GrandJury:

    Ball Juice

    I think you got some semantic leakage from a previous persona there. You might want to have that looked at.

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    Latino J

    November 6, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    @Jeffery:

    That joke wins the 13-18 year old boy demographic to which my sense of humor still belongs more than 25 years later.

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    Buttermilk Sky

    November 6, 2016 at 1:59 pm

    @Schlemazel may have been joking, but syphilis explains everything about Trump — complete lack of self-control, truncated attention span, grandiosity, hallucinations (or lies if you like). And why does he need a neurosurgeon on his staff? Does Carson drill holes in his skull to drain the fluid? Is that why he has to wear that stupid cap sometimes? Hey, CNN, voters have a right to know.

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    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 2:07 pm

    TRUMP’S REHABILITATION: PREPARING THE GROUND
    Steve M

    … One friend of Trump’s from the real estate world is worried that Trump does not understand how the groups he has derogated and demeaned will wreak revenge on him. “He’s alienated women,” the friend says. “He’s alienated wealthy people. He’s alienated people from the Middle East. He’s alienated people from Latin America. These are all fertile ground where people could buy condos from him.”

    And yet if you turn to Dowd’s regular Sunday column, you see the makings of a rehabilitation campaign. The message: Trump was just pretending to be a racist, sexist thug!

    Before he jumped into the presidential race, Trump was seen as bombastic, vulgar, a bit of a buffoon and a cave man, but there was also, as Tina Brown put it, “a cheeky brio.” He was not regarded as a bigot or demagogue….

    But he created another character for the Republican primaries, playing to the feral instincts of angry voters, encouraging violence at his rallies, hatred toward journalists and disrespect for democracy itself.

    “He’s so used to playing a role in different areas of his life,” said Donny Deutsch, the ad man and TV personality who appeared on “The Apprentice” a few times and was once friendly with Trump. “He saw the crowd’s adulation and it drove him. He started to get the biggest cheers for saying the most offensive things.

    “He detached himself from himself. I don’t think he believes in the Muslim ban or half the things he’s saying. It was more, ‘If this gets applause, I do it,’ in a Pavlovian dog kind of way. He just got into this character. He was so taken with the whiff of his own musk….”

    Your Liberal Media is already preparing to tell us all that it was all just an act, you can come back now, it’s okay now to like him again.

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    Another Scott

    November 6, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    @GrandJury: Nice. Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Cheeky brio, my ass. Trump has been an insufferable pig since he came of age.

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    Cermet

    November 6, 2016 at 2:09 pm

    Well, the voting will begin very soon and the results will be what they are; that said, looks like Hillary wins easy but the race ends up close (both possible because her floor exceeds Rump’s ceiling – result, conclusive.) However, does the house certify the election if it ends up close – say, 270 – 275 Hillary?) If not, there are NO constitutional remedies and frankly, such an event has NEVER occurred. The inferior court has no jurisdiction nor does the executive branch; ditto even for the Senate! This isn’t a subject that I am aware that has ever been considered. No matter, unlikely to occur but if the dems don’t take the Senate, kiss all work by Hillary good-bye.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 2:11 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Your Liberal Media is already preparing to tell us all that it was all just an act, you can come back now, it’s okay now to like him again.

    Too fucking late. No do overs.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    @WaterGirl: Not every polling place place I visited had snacks. It was usually the rural places fwiw.

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    Anoniminous

    November 6, 2016 at 2:13 pm

    @Cermet:

    Clinton will win more than 272 Electoral Votes.

    The Senate will probably flip.

    I still haven’t given up hope for the House. There’s an awful lot of GOP held seats that could flip in a 2008 style voter turnout.

  243. 243.

    GregB

    November 6, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Lulz. They aren’t going to be able to stuff that bloated swastika wearing genie back in the bottle.

    I do hope the idiots in Camp Trump are aware that their world ad they knew it will be forever changed in a bad way.

  244. 244.

    Shell

    November 6, 2016 at 2:14 pm

    In Annie Hall, Woody Allen mocks one of her ex’s disclosure of how he’d like to die, “Torn apart by wild animals.” “Ooh”, Allen says, “eaten by squirrels.”

    How about pecked to death by rabid chickens?

  245. 245.

    Shell

    November 6, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    POLLS.TIGHTENING.

    Aaaaaaaah, The “T” word is one I can do without hearing for a looooong time.

    Just really, really hoping it IS over and done with by Tuesday night. Then we can either pop the champagne or take our suicide pills.

  246. 246.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 2:25 pm

    Listening to Newt lie to Chuck Todd, when asked if Trump may have lost the election on the day he announced by calling Mexicans racists, he turns it to Clinton’s corruption and lies and says she is guilty of multiple felonies and how lawless the Clintons are and that Trump is bringing in lots of new voters.

  247. 247.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    @hovercraft:

    They’re going to try, but it turns out that non-whites (plus a lot of whites) don’t find Cheeky Racist Grandpa as charming as media elites do.

  248. 248.

    Betty Cracker

    November 6, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Yep. I don’t think a rebranding campaign can mitigate the damage from running as a racist, sexist, xenophobic demagogue, even with a media assist. Here’s hoping it bankrupts Trump and pauperizes his foul offspring.

  249. 249.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    @debbie: @Omnes Omnibus: @GregB:
    You liberals should stop being sore winners, you won, accept this and be gracious about it. What’s that you ask about endless investigations and gridlock?
    You need to understand that by winning you showed you weren’t listening to the needs of the Trump voter, they want their country back, they are disappointed and bitter, and since you didn’t let them win this is the price you must pay.
    If they win, they won so shut up. If we win, they are hurt, so shut up.
    STFU libtards, period.

  250. 250.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    @Haroldo: I’m afraid I don’t know the acronym.

  251. 251.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    @Ceci n’est pas mon nym: Pretty sure he IS that previous persona.

  252. 252.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    Tom Brokaw says it’s because the country is fractured, we the AA’s, we the Hispanics, we the women. Basically saying identity politics are the problem.

  253. 253.

    Cermet

    November 6, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    @Anoniminous: The house is way out of reach and the Senate is very close and may not fall dems way. Again, a small electoral win by Hillary could lead to a house not certifying the election results causing a major constitutional crises … especially if they don’t certify a critical democratic small state – that is my fear; considering just how extreme the house nuts have become, this possibility can occur. There is no procedures in the constitution to remedy such an event – considering the thugs goal of undermining all democrats, such an act would be very believable.

  254. 254.

    Latino J

    November 6, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    @hovercraft:

    The problem for Trump and his MSM enablers is that buying doesn’t work that way. Purposeful boycotts without true emotional ties are hard to maintain (hello BP). But it is hard as all get down to change an ingrained emotional belief about a brand. The name “Trump” is just simply shot with “certain groups.”

    And from what we’ve been told, Trump’s real income in the new millennium has come from slapping his name on things other people own or control (The Apprentice being a prime example). That brand is now really only worth anything in the digital Alt-Right information world at this point. And really, if he loses bigly, I’m not sure that those folks won’t turn on him in due time. “You know, Trump was buddy/buddy with the Clintons and was never really a conservative….'”

  255. 255.

    Haroldo

    November 6, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    @Haroldo: ETA: Dear Ms WaterGirl, I certainly did not mean to include you in that wretched hive of scam and villainy. As Mr. Omnibus indicated, rural Wisconsinites (but certainly not those, generally speaking, from the Fox River Valley and sub- and ex- burb Milwaukee, and, er, Adams County) are the bees knees.

  256. 256.

    Haroldo

    November 6, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    @WaterGirl: @WaterGirl: Dear Ms. WaterGirl, Please see Comment #256 before reading further……. It’s a time honored one from my youth: Fucking Illinois Bastards.

  257. 257.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    @WaterGirl: FIB = Fucking Illinois Bastards. Oddly, the Chicago style hotdog, polish sausage, and Italian beef sandwich food cart in Madison is called FIB’s

  258. 258.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    @hovercraft:

    Don’t you love how the country is “fractured” when every other group unites and turns to racist old white people to say, Hey, pipe down, assholes?

  259. 259.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    @Haroldo:

    The only persistent Trumpers on my Facebook feed are my cousins who live in Waukesha County.

    I rest my case, cheesehead. ;-)

  260. 260.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    @Mnemosyne: He already carved them out. Waukesha County is suburban/exurban Milwaukee.

  261. 261.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    @Cermet: are you looking to be talked off that ledge, or are you inviting us to join you on it?

  262. 262.

    Peale

    November 6, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    @hovercraft: well then…maybe the GOP should try doing things to appeal to those groups.

  263. 263.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    Charlie Cook’s senate prediction:

    Dems: Il, WI, PA, NV, NH

    GOP: FL, IN

    Too close to call: MO and NC

    So he has us taking it back. Fingers crossed.

  264. 264.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    @hovercraft: I think there should be a news show called Just Answer the Question. You are allowed to spin in your answer, of course, but if you try to completely shift to something else then the buzzer sounds and then someone says “Just Answer the Question”.

    In return, the host would agree to only ask questions of substance, none of these “why doesn’t anyone like you?” questions. I think that would be awesome and I would watch that show. Question 1: who could host and stick to the rules? Question 2: would anyone be willing to go on that show?

  265. 265.

    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    lol

  266. 266.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    @Haroldo: Ah, well it turns out that I am one of those Fucking Illinois Bastards. Who knew? I’m sure I’ve been called worse.

  267. 267.

    Peale

    November 6, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    @hovercraft: I really wish Florida would bite Rubio. But then I look forward to watching him get kicked again in 2020.

  268. 268.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Cool. The real question is: Is the italian beef any good? And is it served with giardiniera?

  269. 269.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes to both. Hot or mild. I’ve never tried the mild.

  270. 270.

    Anonymous At Work

    November 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @Betty Cracker: My apologies, I hadn’t seen the earlier one. Florida’s defense is usually stout but injuries the Gator Offense being almost entirely absent prevents a strong defense from staying strong.

  271. 271.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @Peale:
    You are missing the point dammit! Integration and assimilation mean recognizing that what is best for maintaining the white patriarchy is what’s best for America, once you start down the road of taking any other groups wants and needs into consideration you start down the slippery slope of fragmentation.

  272. 272.

    PPCLI

    November 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @hovercraft: And they think that it makes it better to say “He didn’t really mean that Mexicans are all rapists, and that Kahn’s mother didn’t say anything because Islam forbids her to. He has the highest respect for the handicapped, he was just mocking the reporter because his fans love that stuff. etc.”

    If anything, it makes it worse if he didn’t really believe those things, but said them in order to get cheap cheers and to get elected.

  273. 273.

    Haroldo

    November 6, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    @WaterGirl: Tho’ you weren’t (at least in this instance).

  274. 274.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    @Haroldo: Where are/were you in the state?

  275. 275.

    hovercraft

    November 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    the host would agree to only ask questions of substance

    That would require an entirely different media, the people we have now, will never ever do this, Substance bores them.
    At the end of MTP the Savannah Guthrie pointed out that Trump was given the Comey gift, he stayed on message and the polls tightened, imagine what could have been if he’d been like that the entire campaign. Tweety lamented that Trump is Trump because he had the message, and democrats must not ignore that half the country agreed, and maybe more with a different messenger. Hillary is old and boring, they wish Trump would have kept his mouth shut, so they could have fluffed him into office and given them someone exciting to cover for the next 4 years. They don’t cars about policy, they want to be entertained.

  276. 276.

    Ruckus

    November 6, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    @Latino J:
    I’ve been voting for over 45 yrs and I’ve voted in 2 states, CA and OH, and in CA both northern and southern. In southern CA I’ve lived and voted in 4 completely different areas. Every single time the people running the polls have been very pleasant, and also as serious as a heart attack.

  277. 277.

    Haroldo

    November 6, 2016 at 3:29 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I grew up in Green Bay. I spent many more-or-less Educational years in Madison (near east side, if it isn’t obvious). I now live in New England. From my lurking, it seems you are in the Madison area. I was recently visiting my old haunts. I miss everything about them except the perma-cloud which pretty much is part of life until April, if memory serves.

  278. 278.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I didn’t even know there was a mild version. What would be the point? Answering my own question, I guess the crunch. But still, what would be the point. I miss good italian beef so much.

  279. 279.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    @Haroldo: I am fairly well-behaved. Eight years of catholic school taught by nuns. I had two aunts who were nuns in the same order, so they always got the word on us, which was shared with our parents when the aunts came to our house at christmas.

  280. 280.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    @hovercraft:

    That would require an entirely different media…

    I’m sorry, where’s the down side to that? :-)

  281. 281.

    Haroldo

    November 6, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    @WaterGirl: @WaterGirl: Well, I am sorry to very hear about your behavior. My Mom (not a nun) taught at the catholic girls’ high school in town. That connection was invaluable!

  282. 282.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    @Haroldo: I am originally from central WI and am now in Madison. I once heard someone describe it as “the long, gray November that is Wisconsin.”

  283. 283.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    @Haroldo: We had one teacher who was not a nun. That teacher was, in fact, a man who taught 2nd grade at the catholic school. He didn’t even make it through a whole year. He made kids sit in the filing drawer of his desk when they misbehaved. Apparently that was frowned upon at our school.

  284. 284.

    Haroldo

    November 6, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    @WaterGirl: He probably just couldn’t afford the Skinner Box that was standard issue in Wisconsin.

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