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You are here: Home / Politics / Trumpery / Hail to the Hairpiece / Sunday Afternoon Open Thread: Chickenshit Candidate

Sunday Afternoon Open Thread: Chickenshit Candidate

by Anne Laurie|  November 6, 20162:12 pm| 138 Comments

This post is in: Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Republicans in Disarray!, Assholes

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Trump's aides have wrested control of his Twitter feed over the last week, getting him to agree to dictation https://t.co/Gp2mYXtV8u

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) November 6, 2016

To riff on Betty’s morning theme… according to the NYTimes, Trump’s handlers are treating him like a big dumb feathered (golden) egg-producer. Although an actual chicken would be less of a pain to handle. “Inside Donald Trump’s Last Stand: An Anxious Nominee Seeks Assurance“:

… Aboard his gold-plated jumbo jet, the Republican nominee does not like to rest or be alone with his thoughts, insisting that aides stay up and keep talking to him. He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law.

He requires constant assurance that his candidacy is on track. “Look at that crowd!” he exclaimed a few days ago as he flew across Florida, turning to his young press secretary as a TV tuned to Fox News showed images of what he claimed were thousands of people waiting for him on the ground below.

And he is struggling to suppress his bottomless need for attention. As he stood next to the breakfast buffet at his golf club in Doral, Fla., eyeing a tray of pork sausages, he sought to convey restraint when approached by a reporter for The New York Times.

“I’m on message,” Mr. Trump asserted, with effort. “I’m not playing around. In fact, I’m a little nervous standing here talking to you even for just a minute.”…

In the final days of the presidential campaign, Mr. Trump’s candidacy is a jarring split screen: the choreographed show of calm and confidence orchestrated by his staff, and the neediness and vulnerability of a once-boastful candidate now uncertain of victory…

Mr. Trump’s campaign is no longer making headlines with embarrassing staff shake-ups. But that has left him with a band of squabbling and unfireable advisers, with confusing roles and an inability to sign off on basic tasks. A plan to encourage early voting in Florida went unapproved for weeks.

The result is chaotic. Advisers cut loose from the campaign months ago, like Corey Lewandowski, still talk to the candidate frequently, offering advice that sometimes clashes with that of the current leadership team. Mr. Trump, who does not use a computer, rails against the campaign’s expenditure of tens of millions on digital ads, skeptical that spots he never sees could have any effect…

This inside account of the Trump campaign’s final stretch is based on interviews with dozens of aides, operatives, supporters and advisers, many of whom were granted anonymity to describe moments and conversations that were intended to be confidential…

At one point, the article claims, Breitbart heir Steve Bannon’s pants literally catch on fire. If this were fiction, no decent editor would approve these baroque touches — but that’s The Donald!

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  1. 1.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 2:19 pm

    I’m sure it’s been posted already, but this new ad from the Clinton campaign really gets me in a gut way that nothing has before:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PspX3VQghaU

    The ad is so cathartic and looking ahead to the day after election day (for me, anyway). Wonder what it is about this ad, when basically none of them have been particularly moving to me (not that they haven’t produced good ads, but generally ads do nothing for me).

  2. 2.

    JPL

    November 6, 2016 at 2:21 pm

    Yet they are trying to help him become President. Will they wrestle the nuclear codes from his tiny, little hands?

  3. 3.

    gene108

    November 6, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    And yet Donald is going to get about 40%, at least, of the popular vote. Win a bunch of states, and come close to winning others.

    And after November 9, Republicans and the media will jettison Donald down the memory hole, and carry on like nothing happened for the last 18 months that cannot be blamed on Obama or Hillary.

  4. 4.

    aimai

    November 6, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    @BR: I love that video.

  5. 5.

    Betty Cracker

    November 6, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    I haven’t read the entire piece but will now have to so I can learn more about Bannon’s pants catching on fire — metaphor come to life! Also, this sums up Trump’s narcissistic world view nicely: “skeptical that spots he never sees could have any effect.” Nice complementary insight to go along with “how can I be losing when I draw such huge crowds.”

  6. 6.

    bobbo

    November 6, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    “based on interviews with dozens of aides, operatives, supporters and advisers, many of whom were granted anonymity to describe moments and conversations that were intended to be confidential”

    Good God almighty, what the f-ing f? I mean, clearly rats on a sinking ship, but what in the world did they think they signed up for?

  7. 7.

    Amir Khalid

    November 6, 2016 at 2:28 pm

    The Donald seems more like a needy child than a national leader.

  8. 8.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    Remember how Hillary reacted when animal rights protesters tried to rush the stage at one of her events and she was suddenly surrounded by Secret Service?

    I would call Trump and his followers wusses, but that would be unfair to wusses.

  9. 9.

    Macbethchick

    November 6, 2016 at 2:29 pm

    @BR: Great video! Thanks for sharing because I hadn’t seen it yet.

  10. 10.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    @aimai:

    I think I’ve watched in a dozen times now. Which is weird for me, again. I think it somehow sums up the penned up emotional energy of this long and ugly campaign.

  11. 11.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 2:30 pm

    No surprises here. A narcissist doesn’t believe he’s the best, he’s unable to bear not being the best, and requires constant external validation.

    Advisers cut loose from the campaign months ago, like Corey Lewandowski, still talk to the candidate frequently

    I’m not sure I have the same definition of ‘cut loose’ as this writer. Hell, isn’t Lewandowski still being paid by the Trump campaign? He’ll be the last person to actually get any money from it.

    based on interviews with dozens of aides, operatives, supporters and advisers

    How many of those have realized they haven’t been paid in a month, and that money is never coming?

  12. 12.

    FlipYrWhig

    November 6, 2016 at 2:31 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I called it months ago: Trump has issues with object permanence.

  13. 13.

    dmsilev

    November 6, 2016 at 2:33 pm

    So I’m at the movie theater waiting to go into the actual hall, and I overhear the following conversation:
    “Someone sent me a link saying that Nate Silver is less accurate this year”
    “That’s good to hear”

    Are we there yet?

  14. 14.

    dmsilev

    November 6, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    @bobbo:

    I mean, clearly rats on a sinking ship, but what in the world did they think they signed up for?

    I assume they were expecting to be paid…

  15. 15.

    Trentrunner

    November 6, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    Look, we all know the “Last Days Inside the Trump Bubble” are pretty much that meme clip from Downfall, but with more racism.

  16. 16.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:34 pm

    Also, too, for your post-election distraction, don’t forget to see Moana on 11/23. You want girl power and a movie with multiple central female characters? You got it.

    (Secret hint for the Hamilmaniacs — his songs aren’t this trailer, but don’t you worry. You’ll be happy.)

    ETA: Do I need a disclaimer? I think most people here know who signs my paycheck. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a fucking amazing movie.

  17. 17.

    Another Scott

    November 6, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    @Mnemosyne: That’s obviously fake. Everyone knows that the Secret Service hates Hillary because she’s so mean and nasty to him them. I mean, look at that guy patting her on the back. Gimme a break. Nobody believes that happened. Amirite?!?!?

    /snark

    Trump is such a coward. And a bully. His tears Tuesday will be delicious.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  18. 18.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 2:38 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:
    Also a narcissist thing. Since only what happens to them is important, they have trouble giving any value to things that don’t happen in their presence. It’s not quite solipsism, but it trends that way. The biggest break in that is that since they’re obsessed with being loved/admired/feared, what people say about them behind their back is important.

  19. 19.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    @BR:

    That’s wonderful. Hillary learned from the master of coalition building well. While the media has printed hundreds of stories about the white working class/angry white Trump voter, the most under-reported and important story of this election is Obama’s popularity as the reason why Hillary beat both Bernie and, god willing, Trump. The most optimistic people in America are immigrants and black women, and are also the most informed because there’s no room for error – their survival is at stake, literally. Stronger Together is in fact the very definition of coalition, and what it means to be American, but the overwhelmingly white/male media is fixated on its own navel and what it all means to them and everyone like them.

  20. 20.

    Shell

    November 6, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    but this new ad from the Clinton campaign really gets me in a gut way that nothing has before:

    Its hitting me the same way. Its also kinda emotional. I keep thinking about my mother and how she would have been so proud to vote for the first woman president. Last year she was diagnosed with the beginnings of dementia. Then she might have been able to, but this year, even with an absentee ballot, she just can’t. If Clinton wins, Ill still tell her, I think she’ll still understand it.

    Shed always tell the story of her father taking her down to register to vote and soon as she was eligible. “Women went through hell to get the vote,” he told her “so you make sure always do.” And so many times over the years, when she came out of our polling place, she’d look upwards and say “Okay, Dad, I voted.”

  21. 21.

    some guy

    November 6, 2016 at 2:39 pm

    I think it was Politico that hit the nail on thee head:

    “How stupid is Maggie Haberman really?”

  22. 22.

    GregB

    November 6, 2016 at 2:40 pm

    Has anyone done the definitive Trump-Downfall mash-up yet?

    It sure seems like the runway is getting foamed for a hard Trump landing.

  23. 23.

    redshirt

    November 6, 2016 at 2:45 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Confirmed Disney plant.

  24. 24.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 2:46 pm

    @aimai: I don’t like the way they chopped up that Katy Perry song. Some of the edits are kind of abrupt. Maybe that’s because I am more familiar with it than other people. Probably won’t be a problem for the people they are trying to reach with it.

  25. 25.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    the overwhelmingly white/male media is fixated on its own navel and what it all means to them and everyone like them.

    Eeyup. There’s a lot of reasons national news/punditry is wired for Republicans, and this is one of the biggest.

  26. 26.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    For this climate, Tim Kaine was an absolutely brilliant pick, because he’s a racist white dude’s worst nightmare: a white guy who’s completely comfortable building coalitions with minority groups. He even speaks fluent Spanish!

    As I’ve said before, I think Kaine has been operating totally under the radar of the MSM by making lots of appearances in Spanish-language media talking to Latin@ voters directly. I think the MSM is going to be shocked at the huge turnout by those voters this year, because they were too busy interviewing yet another racist white voter this year.

  27. 27.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 2:48 pm

    @redshirt:

    I’ve even worn the t-shirt to meetups.

  28. 28.

    aimai

    November 6, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    @GrandJury: I could listen to the other song–this is my fight song–over and over and over again. Its like the god damned anthem of women my age.

  29. 29.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I think Kaine has been operating totally under the radar of the MSM by making lots of appearances in Spanish-language media talking to Latin@ voters directly.

    I suspected as much. Since the MSM pundits don’t speak Spanish, nothing that’s said in Spanish exists to them.

  30. 30.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: Apparently Spanish language media coverage of the election has been vastly different from what we gringos are getting.

  31. 31.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    Mnemosyne:

    Ah yes, the usual “the latinos are totally going to show up this time” wanking continues just like it does every election.

    If they turned up then Arizona and/or Texas would be blue. Neither will happen this year just like it never happened in 2012 when people were wanking about high latino early voting.

  32. 32.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    @srv: You’re just phoning it in these days. Sad.

  33. 33.

    Cermet

    November 6, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    Neither the Rump or the wacko alt-right worries me; the election is Hillary’s. The issue is what congress does (she had better have the Senate!) They can and will use the house to create endless attacks on Hillary furthering their efforts to paint her as corrupt. Very likely if the dems win the Senate this cycle they are in grave danger of losing it next cycle. Looks to be a civil war one-way or the other; just hope those ass’s in the house do their job and certify the election results … otherwise, may look more like 1860 results.

  34. 34.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    @GrandJury: what is it about being an asshole that you get such a kick out of? Serious question.

  35. 35.

    Millard Filmore

    November 6, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    @BR: @Frankensteinbeck:

    How many of those have realized they haven’t been paid in a month, and that money is never coming?

    How enforceable are those NDAs on the professional staff if the salary is not paid?

  36. 36.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2016 at 2:56 pm

    @BR:
    That shows one of the advantages of having creative types on your side. Unlike the Republicans’ love of using any music they feel like without permission, we know Katy Perry is a big Hillary supporter and undoubtedly approved the use of her music.

  37. 37.

    waysel

    November 6, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    @BR: “This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing.” mean? This comes up when I try to share it to Facebook. Hillary2016 phone app seems to have it up and shareable but not through Youtube. I wonder if it costs the campaign more through Youtube? I shared it the other way, just in case. Sorry, I can’t find a link.

  38. 38.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    @waysel:

    I think it’s possible that there is a separate Facebook video version of the ad that they would prefer for you to share on Facebook. (Someone mentioned that Facebook promotes its own video system over Youtube videos.) I don’t use Facebook so I’m not sure, but maybe someone here knows a link to that ad in the Facebook video system?

  39. 39.

    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 3:01 pm

    @BR:

    It’s good, but for some reason I’m preferring the “Holy s–t” video right now. It calms me down.

  40. 40.

    pluky

    November 6, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    @Millard Filmore: They’re not. As has been pointed out elsewhere that I’ve read binding of a contract includes the exchange of consideration (e.g. a salary in this case). No payment, no contract.

  41. 41.

    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Have you listened to the mixtape songs that are showing up on YouTube? I’m ready for anything, but I hope it isn’t jumping the shark. Kelly Clarkson?

  42. 42.

    Millard Filmore

    November 6, 2016 at 3:03 pm

    @srv:

    Nobody calls a 757 a jumbo jet.

    Air traffic controllers have a term for jumbo jets.

    “The term heavy is used, with exceptions noted below, during all radio transmissions between air traffic control and any aircraft which has been assigned a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) rating of 136 tonnes (300,000 lb) or more. Aircraft with a MTOW rating between 7 t and 136 t are considered medium and aircraft with a MTOW rating less than 7 t are considered light.”

    link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_(aeronautics)

  43. 43.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Trump, of all people, should appreciate something being called “jumbo” when indicated otherwise, such as his bank account, or hands.

  44. 44.

    Jean

    November 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    As chaotic as Trump’s campaign has been, as absent as it is of any professional ground game, how can it even be possible that he could win? If so, what’s the point of spending zillions of dollars on a campaign as well-run and funded as Hillary’s? Taking into account how qualified and experienced Hillary is throughout a long career of public service, it’s even more mind-boggling to consider the possibility of a Trump win.

  45. 45.

    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @GregB:

    There have been several, but none has really been great yet. Some are from a Republican NeverTrump kind of standpoint, which doesn’t really work for me.

  46. 46.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 3:04 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    Being an asshole feels good. It is a visceral, lizard-brain thrill. Some of us rise above that and look for better pleasures instead.

    @Millard Filmore:
    That has come up here a few times. According to the lawyers, if they’re not paid, those NDAs are totally unenforceable. They’re sketchy even if the workers are paid.

  47. 47.

    Betsy

    November 6, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    We don’t always get to watch a malignant narcissist of this magnitude decompensating when he meets with a deadline as final, a defeat as public, and a judgment as determinative as this one.

  48. 48.

    Tokyokie

    November 6, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    @Another Scott: Of course he’s a coward. Bullies are invariably cowards. That’s something one learns in junior and high school if one is somewhat emotionally developed. That most Trump supporters would vote for the overbearing asshole in the letter jacket whom nobody really likes but goes along with lest they become the target of his wrath rather than the smart girl who’s actually a really nice person should one bother to get to know her says everything there is to know about his supporters and appeal.

  49. 49.

    gwangung

    November 6, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    @GrandJury:
    Latino voters ARE turning out in NV and FL. Pay attention.

  50. 50.

    debbie

    November 6, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Do you remember what the protesters’ point was? I don’t remember Clinton espousing anything that would piss animal rights people off.

  51. 51.

    gene108

    November 6, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    @Cermet:

    Looks to be a civil war one-way or the other; just hope those ass’s in the house do their job and certify the election results … otherwise, may look more like 1860 results.

    Goodness, the Republican controlled House may not certify results. Republicans have basically been staging a non-violent coup attempt against Obama.

    This would fit right in with their other attempts over the last 8 years, to use every possible bottle-neck in government to undermine Obama a Democrat as President, especially if it delays Hillary from assuming office on time,

  52. 52.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    All FL voters so far: 66.8% white 14.9% Hispanic 12.7% black FL electorate is more diverse than 2012

    Robby Mook said that EV turnout has exceeded ALL OF 2012’s turnout, and that there is a huge new voter pool from voter registration drives, and a huge pool of low propensity voters showing up – the ones that don’t show up in the LV polling panels. I like our chances.

  53. 53.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 3:09 pm

    @gwangung: Whoossshhhh. Went right over your head.

    Every time I post that opinion, even when I specify that high early voting numbers were involved in 2012 wanking as well…it just goes right over your heads.

  54. 54.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    I can’t imagine Trump will handle the sudden loss of worshipful crowds well after he loses bigly. Hopefully, Lewandowski, Pierson, et al, find themselves unemployed outcasts very swiftly post-election.

  55. 55.

    Cermet

    November 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    @Jean: Its called racism and sexism; the thugs have that in vast abundance and it motivates the hell out of low/stupid information voters that proudly identify as uneductade. Unfortunately, democrats have poorer voters that have to live with long lines, complex rules to vote and generally more issues to get to a polling place. Hence, dems need a powerful ground game just to have a chance.

  56. 56.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    I hate Trump as much as the next (sane) person, but it’s unseemly for anyone in Trump’s camp to be undermining him with information like that. Am I think only who thinks so?

    It reminds me of places I’ve worked where the boss is treating another employee badly, but as long as the boss treats them right, they have no problem with it. I always wonder how those people cannot see that it may not be them this time, but it could possibly be them next time, and it almost certainly will be them at some point if they work in the job long enough.

    I would never trust one of these back-stabbers again, even if the back they are stabbing is Trump. If they think Trump is bad news or should not be president, they shouldn’t be work for him.

    edit: reading the rest of the comments now and I see that the commenter at #6 seems to agree.

  57. 57.

    Millard Filmore

    November 6, 2016 at 3:10 pm

    @pluky:

    No payment, no contract.

    Yes, I learned the same thing back when groklaw.net was active. If the arrangement is like a one-time purchase the intent of the binding is clear. If the party offering the NDA fails its ongoing duties, like pay the salary, is the law cut and dried? Is an NDA like a marriage, till death do you part?

    I see that Frankensteinbeck has answered. Thanks.

  58. 58.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    @Jean:

    It’s a polarized country. Obama was a far better candidate than either McCain or Romney (or Clinton or anyone running now) and he didn’t run away with it either.

  59. 59.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    This is so entertaining. I should be keeping track of handles so I know who to make fun of on Nov 09.

    Yup, the latinos are totally going to show up this time…yup yup gaha gaha (forest gump laugh). See because math. Look at the early voting numbers. So that’s great that means it’s totally going to carry into election day because just makes sense….yup you betcha.

    So much so that ALL pollsters assume low latino turn out. But what do they know right?! This time is totally different and they are all wrong…yup. Even Sam Wang is wrong.

  60. 60.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 3:11 pm

    @GrandJury: Are you going to have the guts to show up here if you are wrong?

  61. 61.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2016 at 3:12 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Trump has issues with object permanence.

    I’m not sure I buy that argument. If anything, he is too certain that things are permanent when they aren’t. For example, he’s sure we’re in the middle of a terrible crime wave that’s tearing inner cities apart even though crime has been falling for a couple of decades and downtowns are undergoing a huge resurgence.

  62. 62.

    gwangung

    November 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    @GrandJury: Whoosh yourself.

    PAY ATTENTION. Your point’s irrelevant when EV exceed previous TOTALS.

  63. 63.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    @GrandJury:

    Oh, Christ, but you’re boring. Ever wonder why you’re always standing by your lonesome at parties?

  64. 64.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    @GrandJury:

    Robby Mook would love to hear from you on Nov. 9, I’m sure.

  65. 65.

    SRW1

    November 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    Trump’s aides have wrested control of his Twitter feed over the last week, getting him to agree to dictation.

    Because his biggest challenge were typos.

  66. 66.

    Cermet

    November 6, 2016 at 3:13 pm

    @gene108: And I need to clarify my over-the-top remark of 1860; I mean that in terms of constitutional issues only – not anything like armed rebellion (lol; that isn’t gonna happen in any manner.) Hence, not certifying the election results work in the thugs favor to further their efforts to de- legitimize democrats.

  67. 67.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:14 pm

    Jill Filipovic Verified account
    ‏@JillFilipovic

    Carry a Clinton sign at a Trump rally, get beaten & choked. Carry a Trump sign at a Clinton rally, Obama defends you

  68. 68.

    Mary G

    November 6, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Did you see the Chicago “Hamilton” cast’s encore after the WS?

  69. 69.

    Baud

    November 6, 2016 at 3:15 pm

    @BR: @BR: Why she gotta be so negative? /Chris Matthews

    @Jean: Trump has three advantages: (1) a dedicated GOP base, (2) ability to charismatically speak to the darkest part of the lizard brain, and (3) the mainstream media.

  70. 70.

    Latino J

    November 6, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    Lol – @GrandJury:

    Well, I can only go by anecdotal evidence from my people….

    But we kind of liked the Bushes. GW was a mess – but him and his are pro Latino. And McCain and Romney didn’t scare us.

    Trump represents an existential threat. Funny enough, normally a Caribbean Latino like myself doesn’t necessarily have a natural close kinship with folks from Mexico. But El Trumpo clearly represents an existential threat to large cultural groups – the fact that he can’t tell an Iranian from an Indonesian is pretty darned telling.

    Florida will be interesting – between the Dem GOTV – Trump’s rhetoric – and the influx of Puerto Rican’s over the past 5 years to Central Florida fleeing the economic crisis in Puerto Rico – I’m not sure this election is anywhere close to run of the mill.

  71. 71.

    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    That’s what I was just thinking this morning. Has there been ANY hate spewed at a Clinton rally? If so, I haven’t heard about it (and I’m sure we’d all hear it if it happened).

  72. 72.

    Tokyokie

    November 6, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    @Millard Filmore: They’re not enforceable. But their existence means that the violation of them provides a legal pretext for Trump not paying those who agreed to them. Not that Trump will pay them either way. Just like he doesn’t have any polling because he wouldn’t pay his pollster, and now, on the last weekend before the election, is spending time in Minnesota, a state in which he isn’t within 4.5% in any poll not commissioned by his campaign manager’s former and future employer.

  73. 73.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Since the MSM pundits don’t speak Spanish, nothing that’s said in Spanish exists to them.

    That is so true. Sad, but true.

  74. 74.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2016 at 3:18 pm

    @Millard Filmore:

    How enforceable are those NDAs on the professional staff if the salary is not paid?

    How willing will that staff be to fight the lawsuit necessary to prove it’s unenforceable? That’s the key to these things, and a big part of Trump’s MO in general: a lawsuit can be baseless but still crush the target if they can’t afford to fight it.

  75. 75.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    To authoritarian-friendly progressives (especially the Jill Stein types who are a little too keen on Putin and others like him) I often like to remember that Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others. It really cuts through to the core of the difference.

  76. 76.

    The Sheriff's A Ni-

    November 6, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: With a new nym extolling the virtues of Ted Cruz or Paul Ryan or whoever.

  77. 77.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    I haven’t heard about any either, except for from the fever swamps of James O’Keefe videos. It’s been remarkable, really.

  78. 78.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m really hoping that the person Adam Silverman offered to guest post about this will take Adam up on this. I can’t recall the commenter’s name.

  79. 79.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 6, 2016 at 3:20 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: he did in 2012 – for a day. Those tears were nourishing.

    You realize this is RtR, right?

  80. 80.

    Betty Cracker

    November 6, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: And of course, Trump lied about it, claiming that Obama was screaming abuse at the protester when he was doing the exact opposite. CNN did do a side-by-side of the actual event and Trump’s lies about what happened, so kudos to them for that. If Trump were a normal candidate, telling such a big, fat, easily vaporized whopper might get a lot of coverage, but the volume of lies make even lying about the president unremarkable, so EMAILS. Oh well.

  81. 81.

    Trentrunner

    November 6, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    Unfuckingbelievable: Comey just announced that the new emails will not change the FBI’s July conclusions.

    Psych!

  82. 82.

    JPL

    November 6, 2016 at 3:21 pm

    From Maggie’s twitter feed

    Breaking: FBI Director James Comey says in a new letter that FBI has not changed its conclusion on Clinton emails from July

  83. 83.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    @BR:

    There is a wicked streak of Big Daddyism common to the left and the right – Berniebros were fixated on him, and didn’t give a shit about democracy, unless it worked in their favor. Bernie provided the template for Trump to run against Obama and Clinton.

  84. 84.

    Baud

    November 6, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    @Trentrunner:
    @JPL:

    Haha. Obama should still fire his ass.

  85. 85.

    Trentrunner

    November 6, 2016 at 3:22 pm

    Let’s see how much coverage Comey’s exoneration gets.

  86. 86.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    Oh Christ. Comedy is “expanding” his earlier message to Congress in a letter to Chaffetz.

    ETA: FBI has not changed July conclusions.

    ETA2: Just saw autocorrection of director’s name. Not fixing it.

  87. 87.

    StringOnAStick

    November 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    OK, that made me teary eyed, and while I may be a woman of a certain age who has had a lot of death in the family this year, ads usually don’t get me like this. I am so ready to see an absolute blowout this Tuesday! And I’m also ready to start working immediately on the 2018 campaign, because that determines who is in office when the next census starts, and that, folks, is where we either cement the progress we’ve made, or lose it all.

  88. 88.

    Trentrunner

    November 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    Motherfucker. I cannot find the words for how angry this makes me.

  89. 89.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    @JPL:

    He’s trying to just get another story about the FBI back in the headlines. Predictable, but despicable.

  90. 90.

    WaterGirl

    November 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm

    @gwangung: Don’t waste your breath. He’s been told that a hundred times. He’s like a pull toy that only has a few canned phrases.

  91. 91.

    Trentrunner

    November 6, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    Guess I should be thankful Comey didn’t announce it on Wednesday.

  92. 92.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Are you going to have the guts to show up here if you are wrong?

    It will probably get the ban hammer before then, so this nym is unlikely to show up on Wednesday in any case.

  93. 93.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:24 pm

    @StringOnAStick:

    The ad I posted? Or a different one?

  94. 94.

    Baud

    November 6, 2016 at 3:25 pm

    Did Comey editorialize again with the latest exoneration?

  95. 95.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    Yeah, the big tell for me was when some Bernie die-hards said “never mind that we were saying that superdelegates are evil and should be eliminated from the process, we now think that they should overrule the pledged delegates and give the nomination to Bernie”.

  96. 96.

    Latino J

    November 6, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    @srv:

    Frigging Nate – he’s spent the past year telling us how state polls tend to lag behind national polls.
    What did we see this week?

    After Comey – Clinton’s national polls bottomed out on Wednesday and then started to climb back up to pre Comey numbers. Now, we are seeing state polls that match the national polls from Wednesday. Pretty much letting us know that Comey was more of a poll suppressor than a vote suppressor.

    But now Nate won’t acknowledge any national poll showing an increase for Clinton because state polls he has previously described as laggards don’t agree? Shouldn’t he be inferring the opposite from the polls?

    Again, he will either deserve the Nobel prize or really crashed and burned.

  97. 97.

    GrandJury

    November 6, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: A straight question from my biggest deranged stalker fan. That’s unusual.

    I would love to be wrong on this one. Maybe latinos will show up for the first time ever. Maybe Arizona and Texas will turn blue. Maybe unicorns are real.

    Yes there will be more latino votes…because there are more latino voters. That’s how it works. Will there be higher percentage of eligible latinos voting this year than other years. I highly doubt it.

    Don’t confuse what is happening in Nevada with any of this either. Read Sam Wangs blog post today about Nevada.

  98. 98.

    TheOther Bob

    November 6, 2016 at 3:26 pm

    @BR:

    I’m sure it’s been posted already, but this new ad from the Clinton campaign really gets me in a gut way that nothing has before:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PspX3VQghaU

    Is that running on TV? we don’t see much in Michigan.

  99. 99.

    waysel

    November 6, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    @BR: It shares fine from youtube or the Hillary 2016 phone app. If you hit the FB share button at youtube, you will see that ‘be considerate’ notice. I just wonder why the campaign didn’t ‘list’ it. If it does save the campaign $ , I’m all for that, more to spend where it counts. May just be more playable on more devices, or an accidental oversight.

  100. 100.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    @BR:

    It’s an excellent, forward-looking, positive ad. I like it a lot.

  101. 101.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:28 pm

    @TheOther Bob:

    I believe it is now running in many states, but I don’t know about MI. They may not be considering it a swing state, but not sure.

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    LMM swears that the Kelly Clarkson version made him cry, but he seems to be the kind of guy who cries at everything, so YMMV.

    I tend to trust his taste, so I pre-ordered.

  103. 103.

    StringOnAStick

    November 6, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    @BR: Sorry, the ad you posted. About 50 comments showed up between my watching it and my posting about it.

  104. 104.

    BR

    November 6, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    @StringOnAStick:

    Ah, great. Yeah, I had a similar reaction — it was cathartic. Two more days. GOTV. Then we’re done.

  105. 105.

    waysel

    November 6, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    @TheOther Bob: “The ad will run Saturday through Election Day in 11 states identified as battlegrounds: Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to Politico.” from Time.com Nov 5th. I’m bad with links.

  106. 106.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    @Bobby Thomson:
    No, it’s not. This is a long, long, long-time troll who originally showed up because it got passed over a job that was won by a front-pager instead. I forget the details. It’s stuck around, changing names occasionally, posting the same mindless ‘U R SUK’ comments with stalker-ish obsession, only over time it has broadened to more and more targets and now is just universal in making fun of the imaginary bloggers in its head.

  107. 107.

    Ruckus

    November 6, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    @bobbo:

    Good God almighty, what the f-ing f? I mean, clearly rats on a sinking ship, but what in the world did they think they signed up for?

    They thought they signed up to be misogynistic, racist scum and support a guy who relies on others to do his bidding. That meant that they could get a piece of the action. Maybe a very small piece but a piece non the less. They are finding out that it is far more of a mess than they could possibly imagine, which is funny as their imaginations had to have been the only thing that was actually working, in those round things of theirs that really are best used as hat racks.

  108. 108.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 6, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    In today’s exciting chapter of Election 2016, Mass Electric Shock Treatment Boogaloo, James Comey’s desire to cover his ass works in favor of the good guys. Thank you and enjoy the rest of the book.

  109. 109.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 6, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Because President Obama and his supporters are not violent idiots. Our side isn’t out to beat the opposition into submission (literally speaking) and have no problem engaging with our political opponents. We see how Trump handles (and encourages his supporters to handle) protesters and critics.

    Hope that srv and other Trump supporters show up on here on November 8th to see the rejoicing that we will be doing when Secretary Clinton whoops Trump’s behind. LOL.

  110. 110.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    @Trentrunner: oh, the. “conclusion” that she didn’t do anything illegal but we’re pissed off we couldn’t nail her to the wall so we’ll just state that she was all kinds of wrong anyway? You’re standing by that “conclusion” Mr. I-Don’t-Want-To-Hurt-Anyones-Chances-So-Close-To-Election-Day?

  111. 111.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 6, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    @BR: Wonderful, uplifting and unifying ad. Good to see so many positive ads from Team Hillary. She hasn’t really had to go after Trump too much since his campaign has been such a mess and he’s been such a horrible candidate.

  112. 112.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 3:38 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Works for the good guys, you say? All this does is give us yet another round of EMAILS FBI INVESTIGATIONS!!!1!

  113. 113.

    Ken

    November 6, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law.

    Memo to the NYT: You can use the name “Grima Wormtongue,” it’s become part of pop culture.

  114. 114.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 6, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:yeah, after reading more of the thread I agree. It’s silent KKK, Zandar and ABL’s racist personal troll.

  115. 115.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    @Mary G:

    True story: one of the co-directors of Moana brought his Cubs hat to last night’s party with him and insisted on wearing it throughout the night. With his tuxedo. I realized too late that I should have gotten my picture with him.

    (It’s a small world sometimes — he went to the same high school as my older brother, though about 10 years apart, and my brother is 6 years older than I am.)

  116. 116.

    redshirt

    November 6, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: It’s not RtR; it’s Shomi.

  117. 117.

    redshirt

    November 6, 2016 at 3:41 pm

    @Ken: Heh. Do you think your average NYT reader would get that reference?

  118. 118.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 6, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    @different-church-lady: Uh, no.

    It says Dear America: you were conned.

    A lot of people were told that an investigation was “closed” and this new find “reopened” it, which sounded like the evidence must be scary and serious enough that he might change his mind and recommend prosecution (he doesn’t recommend prosecution, just in passing, despite what everyone thinks, not officially anyway. That’s not his job, he just passes along what he finds. And he certainly doesn’t “decide not to prosecute” as so many keep repeating) and in fact they were then told that “indictments were coming (yes based on the foundation, but you think anyone pays that much attention?) and now they hear that all of that was bogus.

    An announcement of “No change in the conclusion reached in July” is the best thing that could have happened for Clinton, and you can bet that Comey was feeling pressure to get exactly that out before the election to save his reputation which took such a hit (it won’t save it), otherwise why the hell two days before it.

  119. 119.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 3:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: The next letter that dude sends better be a resignation letter.

  120. 120.

    waysel

    November 6, 2016 at 3:44 pm

    @Tokyokie: Trumps trips to weird states are needful to spread his voting machine software via thumb drives. He should’ve used pigeons.

  121. 121.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 6, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    Comey has apparently sent a letter to Congress saying the FBI reviewed all the email to and from Clinton on Weiner’s laptop and has not changed their previous assessment.

    ETA: Or what Cole said in the next thread.

  122. 122.

    different-church-lady

    November 6, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: no, they hear CLINTON EMAILS FBI, and that’s all they hear becuse their ears are completely plugged up with derp.

  123. 123.

    BBA

    November 6, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    @gene108: According to 3 USC 15, Congress can only refuse to certify a state’s electoral votes if both houses agree. If the House says no and the Senate says yes, or vice versa, the votes count. And any dispute over the internal procedures will go to Vice President Biden as presiding officer.

    Given the divisions in the Republican Party, I think there will be just enough members of Congress to question whether they really want to void the election to install Donald Effing Trump of all people, so that this January 6th coup plot won’t go through. But it’s much closer than I ever thought it would be, and in four years all bets will be off.

  124. 124.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 6, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    @different-church-lady: I guess we’ll see.

    But you’re wrong.

    EDIT: NY Mag Headline:

    FBI Director Again Clears Hillary Clinton After Reviewing New Email Trove

    Much ado about nothing, it seems.

    No, they don’t read NY Magazine, but — this is a positive. Buh-leeve me.

  125. 125.

    stinger

    November 6, 2016 at 3:49 pm

    @Shell: Great story. Thanks! (Must be the dust from the combines, because I’m not peeling onions.)

  126. 126.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2016 at 3:55 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: No, this is shomi/derf/etc.

  127. 127.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    One can’t help but wonder how many times the press has to get rolled by nothing stories before they realize the people they trust keep feeding them bullshit, but it hasn’t happened yet. Sigh.

  128. 128.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    I want to see that SO BAD. A whole new mythology set for me to feast on!

  129. 129.

    ThresherK

    November 6, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    This reminds me of the near-silent announcement by Jeb! that all charges were being dropped against Michael Schiavo.

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I’m not going to guarantee you’ll love it, because tastes differ and there will probably be something to carp about, but … I think you’re going to love it. The filmmakers really went to a lot of trouble to consult with people in the South Pacific (they had a whole Oceanic Story Trust of authors and artists from the various islands) but I’m sure the usual suspects will carp about Cultural Appropriation.

    They even went so far as to cast voice actors who have at least some Polynesian heritage in all of the major parts, including this guy (his mother is Maori). I think the only non-Polynesian actor who has a spoken line is Alan Tudyk, but he’s our lucky charm, so he had to be in there. (Tudyk actually has a dual role, because he’s so darn versatile …)

  131. 131.

    gogol's wife

    November 6, 2016 at 4:25 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    But (and here I reveal my dinosaur-ness) it’s not available as a CD, right? You have to buy some intangible cloud version that you can’t plug into your car CD player?

    The Kelly Clarkson “It’s Quiet Uptown” is on YouTube. She sings well, but the arrangement is real popsy.

  132. 132.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 6, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    On Oct. 23, he learned that an ABC News poll showed him trailing Mrs. Clinton by 12 points. He lashed out, becoming so agitated that his aides planned to confront the network about its calculations and accuse ABC of bias, according to internal emails.

    “Do they think Republicans and Trump supporters are not going to vote?” one of Mr. Trump’s pollsters, John McLaughlin, wrote to the group. “Or is this an intentional effort to suppress Trump turnout?”

    To their solution to bad polls is to brow beat the polsters. I wonder if they’ve been doing that to Silverman?

  133. 133.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 6, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    @Bobby Thomson:
    @Omnes Omnibus:

    You realize this is RtR, right?

    No, this is shomi/derf/etc.

    Attention, Alain the site fixer: We need a “quick links” pull-down menu to track all our regular trolls. They’re just too hard to keep track of otherwise.

    (Edit: Or maybe one of Major Major Major Major‘s nifty, pretty, colorful little charts.)

  134. 134.

    Mnemosyne

    November 6, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    It hasn’t been officially released yet, so the only available songs are in the cloud. However, it is being released on CD and, for real old-timers and hipsters, vinyl.

  135. 135.

    Uncle Cosmo

    November 6, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @srv: In Trumpolini’s case, it’s a dumbo jet.

  136. 136.

    Uncle Cosmo

    November 6, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    @GrandJury bka “shmomi”: How ’bout you keep your fuckin’ imbecile pie-hole shut for a change, you Stalinist shitstain? At least until the Latinos shut it the fuck for you Tuesday?

  137. 137.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 6, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    @Cermet:

    otherwise, may look more like 1860 results.

    Eh, 1860 had a real issue, not some primal scream at the clouds by a bunch of old men like right now.

  138. 138.

    Ryan

    November 7, 2016 at 6:12 am

    You know who else had a chaotic few final days?

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