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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Here’s Another Election Open Thread

Here’s Another Election Open Thread

by John Cole|  November 8, 20169:19 pm| 611 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016

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Just took a long hot shower and came to peace with the idea of President Trump, because it may happen. I still don’t think it will and hope it won’t, but I needed to do that for my blood pressure. Turning off the tv for an hour and playing video games.

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  1. 1.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    November 8, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    As this thing goes down to the wire, maybe folks around here will reassess Nate Silver’s relative pessimism.

  2. 2.

    Tim C.

    November 8, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    Like you just read my mind.

  3. 3.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    November 8, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    Take an hour and a half off. When you come back, your blood pressure will be lower, California polls will have closed, and Hillary will be President-elect. Have faith.

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    He has to win 7 battleground states and also flip a blue state. How could this be possible?

  5. 5.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    I need another drink.

  6. 6.

    khead

    November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    I’m out of fresh cat pics. Still confident about the election.

  7. 7.

    satby

    November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    I just can’t believe that will happen. Or I don’t want to.

  8. 8.

    chopper

    November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    chill out.

  9. 9.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    If she keeps PA (seems hopeful so far), we’re in good shape.

  10. 10.

    JordanRules

    November 8, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    My mind can’t quite go there, but I understand John.

  11. 11.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    NYT has Clinton predicted to win Michigan by 1.0 points. One. Point.

    What the hell happened?

  12. 12.

    Anya

    November 8, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    Comey must be proud. How can anyone vote for a racist, ignorant clown?

  13. 13.

    T S

    November 8, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    I’m here guys. What were we discussing the other day?

  14. 14.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 8, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    Kill me

  15. 15.

    amk

    November 8, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    Yet another horrible nightmare murkkka inflicts upon the rest of the world.

    fuck you murkan media.

  16. 16.

    PsiFighter37

    November 8, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    Goddamn white people

  17. 17.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Boy the pollsters were really off. Not sure why but the margins are much thinner for Clinton than the poles indicated.

  18. 18.

    MoxieM

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Time to spend some time on the internets investigating whether I can go live in Germany with my daughter…as if she wants her old Ma hanging around!

  19. 19.

    Peale

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    @guachi: their people came our. Fewer of ours did. And I’m speechless.

  20. 20.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    According to Silver, her strongest coalitions were not in the swing states. Still, 73% chance of V.

  21. 21.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Trump continues rising. Up to 46% chance of winning at NYT.

  22. 22.

    DH

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    I haven’t come to peace with it. I can’t believe the stupidity and bigotry this shows the country containing. I guess I can always retire to Panama. The stock market should be fun tomorrow too

  23. 23.

    Anya

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Imma need pundits to retire the term “Reagan Democrats”. If those fuckers have been voting for republicans for decades then stop calling them Democrats.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Even assuming we hang on to win, I can’t help but applaud white GOP voters for self-motivating themselves to vote.

  25. 25.

    The Dangerman

    November 8, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    Yeah, as an addendum to my last post downstairs, I think I’ll go get dinner and hope for better news when I get back; this is a gut punch right now. Watch the market just take a complete shit if Trump wins…

  26. 26.

    Marina

    November 8, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    50,000 motherfucking idiot Floridians voted for fucking jill fucking stein. 50,000.

  27. 27.

    Timurid

    November 8, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @PsiFighter37:

    +1

  28. 28.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    I’ll call it here.

    Trump wins.

  29. 29.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    How could someone with no organization beat someone with a great one? I don’t get it.

  30. 30.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 8, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    I poll-watched until 9:00 p.m.

    Polls close at 7:00 in Georgia. What a day. Almost 120 miles on my car and I never left Gwinnett County. Observed at six or seven different locations; then my boiler room began calling, “Can you go here? Can you go there?”

    Finally got to my preferred watering hole and every TV that wasn’t showing some athletic event was tuned to FOX. I put a stop to that right smartish.

  31. 31.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    There it is at NYT. It’s 50/50 now.

  32. 32.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    Christ, the NYT predictor just hit 50:50.

  33. 33.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    @guachi: Stop gloating, will you?

  34. 34.

    Eric NNY

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    @dmsilev: I don’t, but I’ll have another anyway. We got this.

  35. 35.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    Paul Krugman ‏@paulkrugman 1m1 minute ago
    The Detroit Free Press has just called Michigan for HRC. If they’re right, we probably avoid the full nightmare.

  36. 36.

    hueyplong

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    Rural America is a lot worse than I thought.

  37. 37.

    Gindy51

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    @DH: We have our broker on speed dial… sell everything and dump it in ultra super conservative shit. Barf….

  38. 38.

    scav

    November 8, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    Texas and some other states were weirdly blue for a while and I’m not sure how many states have over 50% of the precincts reporting. I’d say this is still a bit chaos phase, with some odd bumps and wiggles not unexpected. We already knew far too many of the neighbors were batshit.

  39. 39.

    Peale

    November 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    @Marina: yeah but three times as many for Johnson. Let’s not spend 4 years worrying about stein voters. Republican voters own this one.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Jesus, I hope that holds.

  41. 41.

    pharniel

    November 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    @guachi:

    MI is Strongly conservative outside of a few select counties. It’s how we got Gov. Ricky twice.

    I’m going to play some Titanfall 2 and check back in an hour.

  42. 42.

    Karen

    November 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    My heart is thumping in my chest and I’m nauseous. Please tell me it’s not over. If it is over then Nate Silver’s reputation and Sam Wang’s reputation is tarnished.

  43. 43.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 8, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    Georgia is too close to call, PA, to quote Giordano, counts its votes like slow molasses. Krugman says the Detroit Free Press has called MI for Clinton

    Still too early to panic

  44. 44.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: I’m not gloating. I’m depressed that it’s 930 and it’s going to be Trump.

    Trump now over 50% at NYT.

  45. 45.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Wallowing.

  46. 46.

    Davis X. Machina

    November 8, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @redshirt: The ‘organization’ was always there. Misogeny, and racism.

  47. 47.

    MJS

    November 8, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    If Trump wins, don’t blame Comey. Don’t blame the media. Blame your idiot fellow Americans, both those who voted for Trump and those who didn’t vote. They’re the idiots I will hold responsible for the destruction of this country, if a Trump presidency comes to pass.

  48. 48.

    cain

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    Well, we’ll have to live with the results. Sometimes we just have to hit rock bottom. :(

  49. 49.

    amk

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Baud: Yup. I have saying all along one lesson the dems and the left should learn from the rethugs. They fucking vote regardless of what a pos candidate they put before (R). This election would go down the worst one in the history.

  50. 50.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    I am absolutely Not Okay right now and I need to be talked off a ledge.

  51. 51.

    Orogeny

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    For the first time in my life, I’m ashamed to be an American.

  52. 52.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @guachi: You don’t know that yet.

  53. 53.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Still too early to panic

    Oh. Lovely. I’ll get in a time machine and go tell myself that 40 minutes ago.

  54. 54.

    The Pale Scot

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    If you need a break: Z Nation, “Election Day”

    How are you going to get Zombies to build a wall?

  55. 55.

    T S

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    I just want everyone of you to know this affects me and my family. I was kind of joking the previous days…challenging people who called me a pantswetter…but I have a mixed race family and I was personally invested from day one. This wasn’t about internet snark contests for me. This was real. F- all of you who insulted me. But…please, now that I’ve gotten that off my chest…let’s unite. Completely. Together. Please. We can’t slink away. Please. We have to do what we can. It’s real now.

  56. 56.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    If Trump wins I dont want the Senate. Theyre going to blame Obama for every fucking thing.but they will get an asskicking in 2018.

  57. 57.

    dr. bloor

    November 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Karen: Care to explain? Silver has been much more conservative in his predictions and talking about the unknowables. Wang said he’d eat a bug if Trump got 240 electoral votes. Whose reputation is on the line here?

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    @guachi:

    it’s 930 and it’s going to be Trump.

    Calm the fuck down.

  59. 59.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    I’m not freaking out yet. No blue state has flipped and it’s still early. But I AM getting a little more worried.

  60. 60.

    Genine

    November 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    There’s been a shooting at a Los Angeles Polling place-

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-azusa-shooting-injuries-20161108-story.html

  61. 61.

    From Both Sides of the Pond

    November 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    I’m more concerned with finding the United States a therapist. If this election doesn’t show that the country has suffered the national equivalent of a psychotic break, what will? There is no longer any points of congruence between right and left regarding reality at all.

  62. 62.

    Orogeny

    November 8, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    @cain: Screw that, Comey and the FBI made the difference.

  63. 63.

    fuzz

    November 8, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    @Orogeny:

    I feel like we’re letting the “un-educated white” vote drag us down into their hole of heroin addiction and leeching off disability payments. They’re going to go down and take the whole place with them apparently.

  64. 64.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 8, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    I am freaking out here.

  65. 65.

    maurinsky

    November 8, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    Benchmark Politics has been reporting by county and it’s a little more optimistic.

  66. 66.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    Well the high school dropouts found someone to motivate them to vote. (To be fair the ones I know are heavily for Hillary.)

  67. 67.

    Chris

    November 8, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    @Anya:

    It’s always 1972 in the media.

  68. 68.

    WarMunchkin

    November 8, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    This shit is not okay. We brought a full court press onto the field with a stellar organization, and this guy gets this far on bullshit?

  69. 69.

    JordanRules

    November 8, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @p.a.: Me too.

  70. 70.

    Hilfy

    November 8, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @Comrade Colette Collaboratrice: From your lips (or fingers) to FSM’s ears. But this is so hard, my neck and shoulders are stiff,my stomach hurts. This is so fraught with disappointment at my fellow Americans. Have turned off the tv, I’ve got a new sci-fi book to read. It will put me in a better world. I have hope.

  71. 71.

    hovercraft

    November 8, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    I can not fucking take this. What The Fuck America.

  72. 72.

    scott (the other one)

    November 8, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    That fucking NYTimes interaction map just flipped for the first time to predicting a Trump.

    I am fucking terrified.

  73. 73.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    Oh fuck fuck fuck. Just fuck.

  74. 74.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    November 8, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @WarMunchkin: Of course, and a lot of free media. Still, it’s not over

  75. 75.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Trump’s Virginia lead down to 10,000 votes with lots of votes still outstanding.

  76. 76.

    matryoshka

    November 8, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Suzanne: Right there on the ledge with you, Suzanne. This is hideous.

  77. 77.

    Skippy-san

    November 8, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    FUCK TRUMP!

  78. 78.

    JMG

    November 8, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Hate is as powerful as love. Sometimes it wins. We now live in a country headed for at least four years of horrific civil strife. White people are rejecting democracy in order to maintain their sense of superiority. I am ashamed, and apologize to all people of color. Our country, which has been so good to me in my long life, has betrayed itself.

  79. 79.

    Elie

    November 8, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    AWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!

    What the hell happened?

  80. 80.

    Mike J

    November 8, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    I have to have my mom in the hospital for open heart surgery at 5am.

    I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

  81. 81.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    @guachi:

    We fucked up and bailed out the auto industry.

    Fuck hard working white people, fuck the olds.

    Kill Medicare. Now. For all ages.

    Let white olds enjoy the pleasures of the free market in health care at age 85. I the bloodletting is going to happen, let them feel it hard.

  82. 82.

    eric

    November 8, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: 5000 now

  83. 83.

    Chris

    November 8, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    @From Both Sides of the Pond:

    I said years ago that conservatism was more properly a problem for psychiatry than politics, and I still think it.

  84. 84.

    Corner Stone

    November 8, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    Trump has more votes in all the states that are “too close to call”. All of them. What?

  85. 85.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    November 8, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Orogeny: There has been an effect. He needs to be fired tomorrow. If not imonths ago.

  86. 86.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @WarMunchkin: Goethe: Against stupidity/The gods themselves/Contend in vain.

  87. 87.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @PsiFighter37:
    Motherfucking Goddamn Asshole Racist Misogynistic White People.

    I’ve said before, if we elect this asshole then he will bring about the end of this experiment in government that was started over 200 yrs ago because he is incapable of any thing other than full on racism as his one and only thought process and the idiot he expects to actually do the job of governing is worse than he is. Let’s hope for some level of sanity because if he is elected I know my SS and therefore about 1/2 my income will be gone pretty damn soon. I know the VA will budget will be slashed or eliminated, and there goes my healthcare. I’m fucked if he is elected. Completely, totally, absolutely fucked up the ass with sandpaper fucked.

  88. 88.

    Dmbeaster

    November 8, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    Its close. It was expected to be close. I was hoping for an early win with FL or NC, but not gonna happen. So its down to the basic blue walls. Looking good in those places.

  89. 89.

    Keith G

    November 8, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    Jesus folks….Hillary’s chances are still very good. Several very unlikely things still have to happen to give Trump a win.

  90. 90.

    fuzz

    November 8, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @JMG:

    They’re rejecting EVERYTHING. This guy said he wants to leave NATO for fuck’s sake. The entire international order could be in for upheaval all because rural whites from the US didn’t like hearing about all the brown people and wanted their factory jobs back.

  91. 91.

    sdhays

    November 8, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: Thank you. If Virginia pulls it out, I think we’re going to be ok.

  92. 92.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    @Mai.naem.mobile: we won’t be alive by then. But hopefully the Great Lakes states pull their heads from their asses.

  93. 93.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    @Marina:

    Trump likes them. He’ll jail and kill them last.

  94. 94.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Even iof she pulls it out in the end, it will be such a cliff hanger that the GOP won’t wait till Jan 20th to start impeachment,

  95. 95.

    Karen

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    @dr. bloor: Because they forecasted that Hilary would win by a big margin.

    I had to take a cab yesterday and the driver was listening to Rush Limpdick who was predicting this was like Reagan’s election in 1980, and that Election Day show the hidden votes for Reagan.

    G-d I hope this isn’t true.

  96. 96.

    Dmbeaster

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    The NYT model is weird. Stop obsessing over it.

  97. 97.

    amk

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    I knew the whites flipped out when a capable black man was elected. But I sure didn’t expect this much ODS.

    Peak wingnut has finally been achieved.

  98. 98.

    Mike J

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Goddamn Democrats panic at the drop of a hat.

  99. 99.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    Someone is lying to me. Who is lying to me? Everyone?

  100. 100.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    I guess people saying “Clinton has Florida” are likely going to be really, really wrong.

    There it is. Michigan flipped at NYT.

    That’s all she wrote, folks.

  101. 101.

    Dadadadadadada

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    @Corner Stone: The density effect. High-population-density areas take longer to count (due to having more votes), and those areas lean heavily Blue. It is to be expected that HRC will have a late surge and win many of those states.

  102. 102.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    @Keith G: Please say more. Please. Please. I need to hear more of your dulcet tones.

    My anxiety level is really high right now.

  103. 103.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    New Mexico called for Hillary. By fox.

  104. 104.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    Stop freaking out, let the votes be counted. Its not over till its over.

  105. 105.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    @MoxieM: My Sister is wooing me back to Canada. I’m telling her that Secretary Clinton can still pull it off. Nervous but hopeful.

  106. 106.

    InternetDragons

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    I don’t think Trump will win, but he could. And if he does – or even if the election is a nail-biting win for Clinton – it isn’t Comey’s fault. I know he’d be a convenient scapegoat, but it isn’t him.

    No matter who wins, I am hoping that when it’s all over, we Dems can regroup and open our minds to consider what came down and how we can best strategize for the future. I voted for Bernie in the primaries because I felt like he called out to those of us who have pretty much had it with the current status quo. I of course voted for Clinton today, and would have voted for any Democratic candidate. But I do think that both Sanders and Trump speak to segments of the electorate who aren’t really represented among ‘typical’ Democratic or Republican voters. I’ve felt, throughout this cycle, that Dems tended to be a tad too smugly confident re: Clinton, and maybe that’s what I’m seeing tonight. I’m just not sure.

    We need to do a better job of listening to those ‘atypical Democratic voter’ voices, perhaps. And GOTV will continue to be fundamentally important. Clinton is currently down in Florida by not that many votes.

    Here’s hoping we have a good finish tonight. Either way, we’ve got a lot of work ahead and we need to pull together.

  107. 107.

    Elizabelle

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    Courage, people.

  108. 108.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    Detroit Free Press article calling MI for Clinton

  109. 109.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    Fuck, it’s going to be a long night. And quite possibly a long 4 years.

  110. 110.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    small hands ass wipe may be president but we have a new thread!!! wow; nice. That makes things so much better … not.

  111. 111.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    @dmsilev: yeah, I saw that. Sux.

  112. 112.

    Mike R

    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    @guachi: Do you enjoy being a dick

  113. 113.

    cckids

    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    Dow Jones futures are dropping like a rock – down 500+ points right now.

  114. 114.

    Mike J

    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    @Karen:

    I had to take a cab yesterday and the driver was listening to Rush Limpdick who was predicting this was like Reagan’s election in 1980, and that Election Day show the hidden votes for Reagan.

    Reagan won 489 EVs in 1980. Reagan won NY, CA, WA, OR.

  115. 115.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    November 8, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    I tried to get this guy I know to go vote but he didnt see the difference between Trumpy and Clinton. I swear I wanted to shake him. I talked to two women who didnt like Clinton because you know Clinton sits there at the abortion doctors office and forcibly pulls the full formed baby from your body and strangles the baby with her own two hands dontcha know. Fucking morons.

  116. 116.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    I predict before the night is over PA and WI flip, too. Lots of angry racist whites out there.

  117. 117.

    The Dangerman

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    What I predicted last night about Trump wouldn’t file anything if he lost? Yeah, great call that was. This will be close enough, even if HRC wins, that Trump litigates this big league.

    No appetite for dinner. Tums looking good, however.

  118. 118.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    Dow Futures down 500+.

  119. 119.

    sdhays

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    Hillary down by less than 3k in Virginia with lot of precincts still out. NoVa bringing it home.

  120. 120.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @cckids: Can’t blame them. It’s going to be ugly.

  121. 121.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    What I wanted, more than anything, was just the goddamned trolling to stop…

  122. 122.

    Elizabelle

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @guachi: Could you go take a walk, or something?

  123. 123.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Mike R: Guachi, JMG, GrandJury and NR.

  124. 124.

    eric

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    virginia 2400

  125. 125.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Baud: Yay!! Good news.

  126. 126.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @InternetDragons: great comment, in all regards.

  127. 127.

    Dadadadadadada

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    22% counted in PA, and HRC is up 57-40. Don’t panic.

  128. 128.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Mike R: A dick?

    I’m trying to be realistic given the evidence I have at hand.

    I’d like to be wrong. I really, really would. But I don’t see any evidence so far that Clinton is going to win.

    Where are the ballots in IA, MI, FL, NC that show Clinton has a chance?

  129. 129.

    debit

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    I am trying not to freak out, but seriously, someone hold me.

  130. 130.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @sdhays: less than 3,000 votes now in VA with more than 10% of the precincts yet to report. This is looking like Warner in 2014 all over again.

  131. 131.

    BretH

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    What makes me want to puke is the suppressed delight of the media fuckers at the closeness of the race which they has a huge part in creating.

  132. 132.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @guachi: Why don’t you go bite your fucking nails somewhere else.

  133. 133.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    Virginia almost tied, with much more Nova vote still to come.

  134. 134.

    Chris

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    CNN: “This is going to be a long night. If you’re a junkie, it’s going to be a FUN night…”

    My God, I hate those grinning glorified court jesters SO FUCKING MUCH.

  135. 135.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    I want to believe. Thought we were cruising for a relatively easy win but yikes.

  136. 136.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @Corner Stone: He is outperforming Romney among white exurban and rural voters pretty much everywhere.

  137. 137.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: Oh god please let that be true oh please. Yes, I’m a wreck right now.

  138. 138.

    James E Powell

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @MJS:

    I do blame Comey. His intervention against one candidate may have swung the presidential election and determined the senate.

    Unlike most people I have read, I believe that was his intention.

  139. 139.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    Fuck this country. Bunch of idiots. I also say fuck Democrats for picking the only friggin person that could lose to the the fucking asshat Trump. Time to stick our heads between our legs and kiss our asses goodbye. Just pathetic.

  140. 140.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    Both Florida and NC are lost and I didn’t expect those;however, Michigan!! and NH? This is very, very worrying.

  141. 141.

    Miss Bianca

    November 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @patroclus: I’m disappointed, but I’m not yet worried.

  142. 142.

    Orogeny

    November 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @fuzz: I’ve never seriously considered leaving America. Right now, my wife and I both have access to dual citizanship withe EU countries and we are considering it.

  143. 143.

    Elizabelle

    November 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: yeah, I am out of here. This isn’t The Poseidon Adventure.

  144. 144.

    Felanius Kootea

    November 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @Karen: Their reputations would be the least of our problems…

  145. 145.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @guachi: Not quite. Let’s wait before we start throwing in the towel. Only 25 states have been called.

    Breathe!

  146. 146.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    Let’s have some sanity here. What blue states does Clinton need to lose for Trump to win?

    Also, if she holds those blue states and takes VA, is it over?

  147. 147.

    Soylent Green

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    What are we supposed to make of the NYT’s moving forecast of the winner? Now at 58% Trump.

  148. 148.

    Jesse

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    @Irony Abounds: Fuck you too. She isn’t “the only person who could lose”; that’s just something assholes like to tell themselves.

  149. 149.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    538 Blog

    HARRY ENTEN 9:40 PM
    In Virginia, Clinton is now down by just 5,000 votes with 14 percent of precincts still remaining. Clinton still has a good chance of winning the state.

    If she wins Virginia and it’s true that she’s won MI, then it’s probably okay. Just okay, as Krugman said, avoiding the full nightmare but that’s about all. I hope.

  150. 150.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    @patroclus: Will VERY MUCH HAVE to have Virginia; this is getting very close.

  151. 151.

    Mike R

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    No, I vote for dick, gloating isn’t a good look on anybody. It may turn out that way but you seem to be enjoying stirring the pot.

  152. 152.

    Mark B

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    Apparently, racism is much more fucking popular than I thought it was.

  153. 153.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    @Mai.naem.mobile: if Trump wins, it’d really be more due to stupidity than racism.

    Yes, the racism is there, but there are limits to it’s explanatory power.

    If Trump wins, buy buy SS and Medicare. And all the stupid fucks who voted for him will be completely baffled.

  154. 154.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    @Chris: The last thing I want to do is watch any media right now. Not CNN and definitely not Conway on MSNBC. Chuckles and Tweety must be having a blast.

  155. 155.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @guachi: Oh give it a rest already. The county the Detroit is in has reported less than 10% of it precincts. Most of Madison and Milwaukee haven’t reported either.

  156. 156.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @sdhays: Northern Virginia always comes through.

  157. 157.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @Chris: Yeah, the fate of the country and much of the rest of the world is just entertainment. Fun.

  158. 158.

    James E Powell

    November 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    Just got home. I’m here and I’m watching Twitter. I cannot and will not watch TV or cable people.

  159. 159.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: I’m pretty sure she’d still need Nevada and NH.

    I still think she’ll win, but it will be close.

  160. 160.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @guachi: Trump is outperforming Romney among white exurban and rural voters By significant numbers. In Volusia he’s outperformed Romney by 31,000. In Tampa, which is Hillsborough County he’s outperforming Romney by 153,000 votes.

  161. 161.

    eric

    November 8, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @Cermet: she is up now

  162. 162.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 8, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @redshirt: yes. But she needs to sweep them.

  163. 163.

    PVDMichael

    November 8, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Every state that is “too close to call” at 9:45 was “too close to call” at 9:45 in 2012 with three exceptions:
    Maine
    Pennsylvania
    Georgia

    So it’s early…

  164. 164.

    tastytone

    November 8, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @guachi:
    Good God… If you’re not a troll, please have a valium or something.

  165. 165.

    sdhays

    November 8, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    Hillary takes the lead in Virginia! 47.2% to 47.05%. Trump’s not coming back from this.

  166. 166.

    NR

    November 8, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @Irony Abounds:

    I also say fuck Democrats for picking the only friggin person that could lose to the the fucking asshat Trump.

    Yep. This is what happens when a corrupt party establishment clears the primary field for its preferred candidate.

    We have two choices now–replace the people who run the Democratic party, or start a new one.

  167. 167.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: So far, she is losing Michigan and not by a little. She does NOT make 270 without Michigan. She’d have to pick up a Red state.

  168. 168.

    MobiusKlein

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @debit: hug.

  169. 169.

    albertZ

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @different-church-lady: I hear you. A lot of people freaking out right now. No matter the outcome – this is but one battle out of many to come. In this blog community we allow a certain license to fret tonight – but tomorrow, whatever the outcome – there is clearly a lot of work that still needs to be done.

  170. 170.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    I’m freaking out too but this thing is not over. It’s not. There are lots of votes to still be counted. Let’s take this 10 minutes that’s left until more polls close at 10 ET and use it like the cubs used their short rainout in game 7. It’s super scary to think about a Trump win, but he hasn’t won yet.

    Deep breaths.

  171. 171.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I assume the NYT takes that into account. Which is why Trump is up 5.3 now but is predicted to win MI by 1.1. There aren’t enough votes out there to make up the difference.

    It’s why I think PA will flip, too. All the upper midwest states are moving heavily to Trump from 2012. And PA is becoming an increasingly marginal state for the Dems.

  172. 172.

    sdhays

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: Yes, although I was hoping we wouldn’t have to do all of the heavy lifting this time around…

  173. 173.

    cckids

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @Gindy51:

    We have our broker on speed dial… sell everything and dump it in ultra super conservative shit. Barf….

    Too late now. You needed to move it yesterday.

  174. 174.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @Chris: CNN: “This is going to be a long night. If you’re a junkie, it’s going to be a FUN night…”

    They don’t get it: We’re “junkies” because we care about politics, Years ago, Josh Marshall explained the Village, focussing IIRC on Cokie Roberts, as people who really do view politics as a spectator sport and are confused and a little embarrassed by people who think policy actually has real life consequences.

  175. 175.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    Clinton in the lead in Virginia.

  176. 176.

    Dmbeaster

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    She will take VA. Trump lead almost entirely gone with significant blue counties left to count

  177. 177.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @Soylent Green: lol. That really sux.

  178. 178.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @PVDMichael: Is that really true? Can anyone else verify this?

  179. 179.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    from, a twitter – Why is Trump doing well in Florida. Example 1: Pasco. Exurban county north of Tampa. Obama lost by 15K. HRC lost by 51K.

  180. 180.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @Chris: TURN OFF THE TV!

  181. 181.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:
    You have room for an old white guy? I don’t eat much and I don’t even swear all that much, although some of my examples on the blog might make someone think otherwise.

  182. 182.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    Nova comes through – Hillary takes the lead in Virginia!

  183. 183.

    dr. bloor

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @scott (the other one): Times map is reactive, not predictive.

  184. 184.

    Dmbeaster

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    Clinton leading now in VA

  185. 185.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: those shitheels have lots of money, so why should they care?

  186. 186.

    Davebo

    November 8, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    My girlfriend from Scotland living in the US is appalled and freaking out! I try to explain it’s all going to be fine but she can’t believe Trump will carry Texas where we live.

    I ask her, have you ever been outside of Houston or Austin???

    Seriously, she’s disgusted that Trump could get a million votes nationwide.

    Still, despite my attempts to calm her, I’m very concerned.

  187. 187.

    Chris

    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @Orogeny:

    I have French nationality, but honestly, what good is moving – if Trump can win America, Le Pen can win France.

  188. 188.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @liberal: One or the other, is what I get. Would need.

  189. 189.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @sdhays: Thank you – good news. Now Michigan has to return to the fold. Then I will breath a lot easier.

  190. 190.

    MuckJagger

    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    Jesus, NYTimes tracker has Trump up to 59%

    There are apparently a *lot* of pissed-off people out there.

  191. 191.

    Corner Stone

    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: But there just aren’t enough of those. Why are we seeing what this is reporting?

  192. 192.

    ed

    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    @Dmbeaster: 5000 votes

  193. 193.

    JordanRules

    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm

    All the trolls out and feelin froggy tonight I see.

    It will always be the wrong side of history.

  194. 194.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: Thank you, Northern Virginia.

  195. 195.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @Cermet: yeah, she loses MI, she loses.

  196. 196.

    Karen

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @Mike J

    But no one expected it.

  197. 197.

    albertZ

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    And to think tomorrow I am donating blood to the Red Cross. Could I volunteer an extra pint or 2 and slip into a coma for a few months….?

  198. 198.

    NoraLenderbee

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    I’m fucking terrified. WTF, Virginia?

  199. 199.

    hueyplong

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @Cermet: I’m not completely sure NC is lost.

  200. 200.

    Jesse

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @NR: I am so sick of your shit. The “Democratic Party establishment” is made up of people who cared enough to be *in* the Democratic Party.

  201. 201.

    LAC

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @NR: fuck you Go put your head into a fucking boiling pot of oil

  202. 202.

    Mike in NC

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @guachi: Fuck off,troll.

  203. 203.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @NR: I really don’t see all of those Trump voters being willing to vote for Bernie. In a sane world, give what we know about Trump, a fire plug should be winning.

  204. 204.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @albertZ:

    this is but one battle out of many to come.

    Naw. I think I’m done now. Too much shit has gone wrong for me for too many years, and my emotional support systems just keep getting thinner and thinner. I got nothing left in the tank. I’m too frayed.

  205. 205.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    Those of you still freaking out over the NYT dial – it’s designed to be hypersensitive to keep you on their page.

    But notice they haven’t updated since Clinton took the lead in Virginia.

  206. 206.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @sdhays: Virginia isn’t the problem. It’s Michigan and Pennsylvania and the fact that she will likely lose Florida and North Carolina.

  207. 207.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    November 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    Oddly, 538 is now the site that is not panicking.

  208. 208.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @Mike J: I’m sorry. The timing makes it even more difficult. But they’ve gotten so good at the heart stuff these days that things look very hopeful for your mom.

  209. 209.

    cckids

    November 8, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @Botsplainer: Right now, I’m in agreement with you.

  210. 210.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @MuckJagger: I am not dealing with this well. It is 2016 and this whole year has been horrible and I am terrified that the curse will go on.

  211. 211.

    Kayla Rudbek

    November 8, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    If Trump wins, I will have a tubal ligation while it’s still legal to do so

  212. 212.

    eric

    November 8, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    Nate Cohn ✔ @Nate_Cohn
    We don’t project results, but we do believe that Clinton is overwhelmingly likely to win Virginia.

  213. 213.

    Another Scott

    November 8, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @sdhays: I don’t know what may or may not be happening elsewhere, but there are too many people in NoVA who are dependent on the national government for their livelihoods. They remember the shut downs and the sequester and all the rest. Donnie never had a chance in Virginia, and very little actually changed.

    NotLarrySabato..

    Let’s all calm down and be patient.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  214. 214.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @MuckJagger:

    190
    MuckJagger says:
    November 8, 2016 at 9:50 pm
    Jesus, NYTimes tracker has Trump up to 59%

    There are apparently a *lot* of pissed-off people out there.

    Some of their anger is legit. Their targets are wrong, wrong, wrong.

  215. 215.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @Mike in NC: Don’t blame me. I’m just passing on what the NYT is showing. It’s not like I’m some super-genius.

    I’m just reading a website predictor and trying to figure out where the votes for Clinton are supposed to come from. Do you know where?

  216. 216.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    Hillary is doing good in PA but Michigan is still bad. I am worrying again. Unlike in 2012, MI was already in the bad by now.

  217. 217.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    So the story will probably be that the Blahs didn’t turn out. That was the difference between HRC and Obama. Even if it’s not true that will still be the story.

  218. 218.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: heh.

  219. 219.

    LAC

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @liberal: And fuck you too.
    If she wins, fuck.off for 10 years

  220. 220.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    How is it that the NYT site has more votes (supposedly) counted from VA than the VA Board of Elections Web site does? VA BoE has Hillz up by 7k, NYT has Trump up by 13k, and shows a total of about 30k more votes cast.

  221. 221.

    Helen

    November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @GrandJury: I just turned on Food Network. I cannot watch those assholes.

  222. 222.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: God Bless cave troll Nate Silver!

  223. 223.

    James E Powell

    November 8, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    What’s holding up a call in New Hampshire?

  224. 224.

    Chris

    November 8, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    There’s an election watch party my roommates are hosting. Besides, I still want to know ASAP.

  225. 225.

    PsiFighter37

    November 8, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    @p.a.: There are a lot of racist white people out there.

    Full stop.

    I don’t know this country if that is who people decide to put in charge.

  226. 226.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    November 8, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    Virginia is blue per CNN. Not called yet, though.

  227. 227.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @James E Powell: Only about 25 or 30 percent of the voted is counted so far. Which is insane given that the polls closed a few hours ago, but there you go.

  228. 228.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    So I guess Nate is gonna end up looking like the hero in this. Sam Wang is gonna lose a lot of credibility as will a lot of other aggregators I think.

  229. 229.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    You people just don’t get it. trump tapped into an economic insecurity that you just can’t accept or fathom. Trade kills jobs and he was able to tap into that. I don’t believe for a second he gives a shit about the average worker but he got people to believe him.

  230. 230.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 8, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @Mike J: All the best with your Mom.

  231. 231.

    fuzz

    November 8, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @GrandJury:

    Nah, it will be more that the white silent majority types turned out in numbers no one anticipated. They felt that ‘their’ country and ‘way of life’ was under attack and this is their attempt (and it looks like a successful one) at trying to get it back.

  232. 232.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @GrandJury: Yes. Congrats to Nate.

  233. 233.

    Timurid

    November 8, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    @GrandJury:

    His curtain rod will have two sparrows on it!

  234. 234.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 8, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    All my Québécois friends are sending me “quelle horreur” messages right now.

  235. 235.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    Look at this page on 538 and feel better?

  236. 236.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    Colorado looking good! New Mexico looking good!

  237. 237.

    PVDMichael

    November 8, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    @GrandJury: I’m not going to try to link it… but google: “cnn presidential election night calls 1992-2012”

    It’s got a spreadsheet… just to remind us that sometimes it takes time to count votes…

    It’s gonna be a squeaker…

  238. 238.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    @James E Powell: yeah, at this point she really needs NH.

  239. 239.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    VA Board of elections site, which I am refreshing constantly, has HRC’s lead growing each time the count goes up. She’s now up by 15k with 90.47% in. Last refresh she was up by 7k.

  240. 240.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    @fuzz: They are in for a shocking surprise. I doubt Trump makes it more than a few months before he is impeached for any number of things. Remember that most of the Repubs in the senate hate him too.

  241. 241.

    Monala

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    @InternetDragons:

    We need to do a better job of listening to those ‘atypical Democratic voter’ voices, perhaps. And GOTV will continue to be fundamentally important. Clinton is currently down in Florida by not that many votes.

    And how exactly are Dems supposed to do that? Coming home, a Republican Senator – I think it was Tom Cotton -was being interviewed, and he was asked what Clinton should do is she is elected president but the House and Senate stay Republican. He said she has to adopt more Republican positions if she wants to get anything done, “because she moved too far to the left in this election cycle while trying to woo Bernie Sanders voters.”

    So, there you have it. The Republicans think she moved too far left, want her to become more conservative if they’ll let her do anything at all. What exactly do you expect the Democrats to do, and why the hell do so few people blame the Republicans for this country’s ails?!!!

  242. 242.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    PA gonna flip on the NYT predictor in about 15 minutes, I think. WI will probably flip by 11 pm.

    I knew the upper midwest was a problem. It’s how there are so many Republican governors there. But I never thought it’d manifest in a Presidential election.

  243. 243.

    MazeDancer

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    Upshot at NYTimes has a great interactive tool. That they link really poorly.

    Click here. Then scroll down to “1,024 Paths to the White House” and you can see how hope is very much alive.

  244. 244.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    @patroclus: what about NV.

  245. 245.

    albertZ

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    @different-church-lady: Well we are here with you – trolls aside. I understand what you are saying and it is making tears well up in my eyes. Just remember you are not alone in this.

  246. 246.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    @guachi: The Detroit Free Press has called Michigan for Clinton. Hold fast. Now that may not be correct, but it means its still too close to call.

  247. 247.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @patroclus: Fox has already called new Mexico for Clinton. I think Michigan is the big toss up now.

  248. 248.

    James E Powell

    November 8, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    T@BobbyK:

    Trump tapped into an economic insecurity that you just can’t accept or fathom

    This bullshit. Trump tapped into the white racist rage that has been boiling since Obama won in 2008. Trump ran the first explicitly white supremacist campaign since Wallace in ’68.

    His entire sales pitch is and has been “Last Stand for White America” – We should not be surprised that it is popular.

  249. 249.

    Chris

    November 8, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @p.a.: @p.a.:

    “Antisemitism is the socialism of imbeciles,” updated.

  250. 250.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @GrandJury: no. He’ll sign the shit they send him. So why would they impeach them?

  251. 251.

    sdhays

    November 8, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Yeah, I think it’s all over in Virginia. Trump’s votes are all used up and what’s left are going to be heavy Democratic precincts. I’m very disappointed that it was this close, but Virginia’s not going to be an upset tonight.

  252. 252.

    cckids

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Can’t blame them. It’s going to be ugly.

    My spouse is a financial adviser – he gets paid fees based on a % of client’s assets. We are too fucking old to keep having 30+% drops in our (already not great) income. Not to mention what Trump will do to SS/Medicare/ACA.

  253. 253.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @Suzanne: There is no curse. I’m sorry you have had a shitty year. We just have to hang in for awhile longer tonight. I am trying to take deep breaths.

  254. 254.

    Keith G

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    Drama Queen Central

  255. 255.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @Mike J: I hope all goes well with your mom.

  256. 256.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @GrandJury: As long as Trump signs the GOP legislation to roll back the 20th century and is willing to put Jim Crow loving judges on the bench they will be quite happy having him the WH for however long it is before he starts WWIII.

  257. 257.

    Soylent Green

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    Michigan is going to call this election.

  258. 258.

    Dadadadadadada

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    Iowa too close.
    NV too close.
    Utah too early.
    Montana for Trump.
    Per MSNBC.

  259. 259.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    This pretty much describes me as well.

  260. 260.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @PsiFighter37: They were there in ’08 and ’12 too. Is it just tRump’s (and the MSM’s) normalization of it publically that has apparently increased their turnout? You can be a closet racist and go vote against a black man. Twice. Just saying there may be more to it, but that’s for sociologists to study.

  261. 261.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @liberal: Just closed, I think.

  262. 262.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @liberal:

    Yes, the racism is there, but there are limits to it’s explanatory power.

    Trump is outperforming Romney with rural and exurban whites and you really think that’s not due to racism?

    Face it: Trump went full-on white supremacist and the majority of white people in this country loved it. Ate it up with a spoon and begged for more.

    You are looking at racism in full force and you’re desperately digging around for another explanation because you don’t want to face the fact that the majority of white people in this country are irredeemably racist and are happy to hurt themselves as long as they’re promised that they’ll get to punch the non-whites around them, too.

  263. 263.

    schrodinger's cat

    November 8, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @Keith G: Thank you and I agree. guachi wins the crown.

  264. 264.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @James E Powell: Too close and I heard earlier that polls where being held open till 10 PM for reasons not made clear.

  265. 265.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I think that was too fast though. He’s close in places he shouldn’t be close. I’m afraid the blue wall in the great lakes states is falling.

  266. 266.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    November 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @BobbyK: Fuck that shit. If Trump wins, it’s a combination of thirty years of brutal smears on HRC and of white status anxiety. Not economic anxiety, status anxiety. Because if you ain’t better than a ni-, what good are you?

  267. 267.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @sdhays: 91.13% in ans she seems to be pulling away. Trump can’t win without VA, right?

  268. 268.

    cckids

    November 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @BretH:

    What makes me want to puke is the suppressed delight of the media fuckers at the closeness of the race which they has a huge part in creating.

    So much this. I’m hating all of them. And yet, can’t look away.

  269. 269.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @albertZ: I appreciate it. Deeply. I’m holding it all in, because I don’t want to contribute to the panic and I don’t want to make it about me. Somehow BJ became my only emotional sanctuary the past three weeks. Things have been falling apart in my head for what seems like forever now.

  270. 270.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @redshirt: 239.1 and Sam won’t have to eat a bug…

  271. 271.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I’d like the NYT predictor to be really, really wrong. The margins are incredibly close. But I honestly don’t see it happening for Clinton.

    The Dems had massive early enthusiasm. Lots of early votes. But early votes count the same as late votes. (See CO and mail in ballots. Dems had early lead and Reps caught up day by day) I guess election day voting is turning out big for Trump.

  272. 272.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne: This is fucking disgusting.

  273. 273.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @liberal: Just closed. Too early and very little raw vote as yet.

  274. 274.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    Looks like Trump will take Florida. Broward is basically all in.

  275. 275.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @D58826: exactly.

  276. 276.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @liberal: Right now, NV is irrelevant until Michigan is called for Hillary.

  277. 277.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Wisconsin isn’t looking too good either.

  278. 278.

    Karen

    November 8, 2016 at 10:03 pm

    @GrandJury:

    So I guess Nate is gonna end up looking like the hero in this.

    How? He wasn’t right, unless I saw different and wrong figures yesterday.

  279. 279.

    Gavin

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    When FoxNews calls VA for Clinton.. yeah, Clinton’s won VA.
    And MI.

    It’s not over till the man-bitch whines.

  280. 280.

    Miss Bianca

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @fuzz: and here’s what I wonder: why? Why would they think “their way of life” is under attack *now* more than, say, during PBO’s election campaigns and terms of office? People talk about racism, but let’s look at the elephant hiding under the wazzing donkey in the room: sexism. I would be crushed to think that we owed a President Trump – and the dumpster fire that a Trump presidency would entail – to the fact that people lost their shit over the thought that a *woman* might be elected POTUS. I would feel like we were even farther than I had imagined from the America I want to be part of.

  281. 281.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    Like John, I’m going away from here and the TV for an hour. Wake me at 11.

  282. 282.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    I’m sorry. This is a terrifying night. We’ll all still be here for you, though.

    Maybe Connecticut will secede and everyone can move here?

  283. 283.

    BlueDWarrior

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    If MI and PA holds then all she needs is CO and VA.

  284. 284.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @Soylent Green: no. MI is a must-win for Clinton. But she could win MI and still lose.

  285. 285.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    @James E Powell: Yeah right, again you just refuse to accept it, yes lets ignore what he did and blame racism.

  286. 286.

    Timurid

    November 8, 2016 at 10:04 pm

    Fuck Florida.
    And fuck you, Hurricane Matthew. You had ONE job…

  287. 287.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    November 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    I got a new laptop a while back but didn’t teleport everything over. Just installed a critical, previously neglected item. I had forgotten how awesome the pie filter is.

  288. 288.

    Calouste

    November 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    RCP has Virginia go to Clinton.

  289. 289.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Economic insecurity and racism are not mutually exclusive. As the military says one is a force multiplier for the other.

    As far as the future if Trump wins I don’t think the democrats have anything to worry about in 2018 as the party will just be a few fragments in a few elitist states.

  290. 290.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    @Karen: He was less wrong than most. All the polling was off though. Except some outliers. That Latimes outlier might end up looking like the most accurate.

  291. 291.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    @Cermet:

    I’m worried about it too. I was afraid 2010 was sort of a harbinger with all the R governors and then the re-elects and it just looks bad. Democrats can’t replace all those states.

  292. 292.

    Cacti

    November 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    I’ll say it now. It’s not going to happen.

    President Trump. Ye gods. I’ve died and gone to hell.

  293. 293.

    Kathleen

    November 8, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    Fox just called VA for Hillary per tweet I just saw.

  294. 294.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @p.a.: I’M GONNA SHOVE A WHOLE BAG OF BUGS DOWN SAM WANG’S THROAT FOR PULLING HIS “99%” CRAP ON ME.

  295. 295.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    PA into Trump territory at NYT. WI down to 1.1 Clinton prediction.

  296. 296.

    Felanius Kootea

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @GrandJury: Good thing Sam Wang doesn’t make a living from this and Nate Silver does.

  297. 297.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @different-church-lady: In all honestly, if small hands wins, we will all make it; ACA may be attacked but many good parts of it will be kept; yeah, the country goes back to 1860 but hey, lower class whites will discover the truth and a few will maybe change. The night isn’t over and if MI stays blue, it will turn out OK.

  298. 298.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @BlueDWarrior: is that true? What if she loses both NV and NH?

  299. 299.

    LurkerExtraordinaire

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    I have a four year old daughter. She just might grow up in a country where, if she needs to have an abortion to save her life, she’d have to go to Canada. If she grows up and realizes she’s gay, she won’t be able to marry who she loves. She’s Latina….God only knows what will happen because of that. This shit isn’t funny, and hasn’t been funny to me, ever. The Supreme Court, and with it women’s rights, gay rights, voting rights will be gone, possibly forever. I thought I couldn’t be more ashamed of my country when W was in office. I was wrong. So horribly wrong. I think I really need to move back home to New York. Or to hubby’s home state of California. A place where people are relatively safe.

  300. 300.

    albertZ

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Somehow BJ became my only emotional sanctuary the past three weeks.

    You and me both. Depending on how things go, this sanctuary may become even more important. But the outcome is out of our hands now.

  301. 301.

    Aleta

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    Decreased polling places. With no information or deep understanding I also wonder if possible some tampering ?

    Can’t bear this and can’t accept.

  302. 302.

    Karen

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    All I can do is pray we can get the senate. At least then there is a checks and balances.

  303. 303.

    Hill Dweller

    November 8, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @guachi: We got the point the first 3 times you predicted a Hillary loss. You’re obviously just antagonizing people at this point.

  304. 304.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @different-church-lady: LOL!

  305. 305.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @Kay:

    “Hard working white people” brought about the Third Reich, too.

  306. 306.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Wow, just wow, this is why he’s winning, go ahead blame it all on racism yep. Right now on ABC they’re talking about how trump HAMMERED these trade deals in Michigan and he got the people to believe him. And also it helps that he’s right.

  307. 307.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @Karen: nah. HRC loses, Senate is gone.

  308. 308.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    Michigan’s gone folks, and Pennsylvania is likely to follow. Redneck America has prevailed. Unless somehow Clinton pulls out Arizona, which would be delicious, Clinton is toast. Kiss Obamacare goodbye. Kiss Roe v Wade goodbye. Kiss America as we know it goodbye. And your 401(k) is toast as well.

  309. 309.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    For all the Doomsaying here, 538 is still very solidly Clinton. Is Nate wrong again? The wrong way this time?

  310. 310.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @Hill Dweller: It’s the night of the election. If you don’t want to follow results and discuss them, you can close your browser window.

  311. 311.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    It’s basically down to Plouffe’s firewall – Hillary needs all of them to steal a W.

  312. 312.

    MisterForkbeard

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    Good news: it looks like my daughter will be born tonight. So even if the worst happens electorally ,there are bright beautiful things still happening.

  313. 313.

    Gavin

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    Stay away from that NYT page.. its predictions are way off and not updated. Still shows VA for Trump.

    Just google “[state name] election results” and you get the AP numbers, updated nearly to the minute.

  314. 314.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @Cermet: You’ll make it. It feels like I won’t.

    Like I said, I’m trying to not make this about me. And I might be failing.

  315. 315.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @BobbyK: yep. Racism is real but isn’t strong enough an explanatory variable.

  316. 316.

    Mary G

    November 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    Well, I went off and watched this week’s episode of Westworld, hoping to find things better. Disappointed.

  317. 317.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    @Chris: I had not heard that one.

  318. 318.

    Theron Ware

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    Gods, I cannot imagine living in an America where tRump is president. Vancouver anyone?

  319. 319.

    Another Scott

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    Man, my pie filter is getting a huge workout tonight.

    Thanks again, Cleek!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  320. 320.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    Fuck.

  321. 321.

    Felonius Monk

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    @MuckJagger:

    There are apparently a *lot* of pissed-off people out there

    I wonder how “happy” they will be when they find out that Trump can’t bring back jobs and that wall? What wall? They’ll want his head on a pike sooner rather than later.

  322. 322.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    @Another Scott:
    Calm down and be patient?
    How does one do that when one’s life is on the line?
    How does one do that when one’s life for the last 20+ yrs has been shit that is finally somewhat working out but that may change completely in the next few months?
    I’m too old to start over or work 60 hrs a week for shit wages if there is even work.
    And I’m not anywhere near the only one, on this blog or in meatspace.

  323. 323.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    “They feel left out” is the current media metric.

    Fuck them.

    It’s goddamned BREXIT. Except with this one, we don’t have a court system capable of putting on the brakes.

  324. 324.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    Hillary’s catching up in Michigan – Detroit and the suburbs are now coming in.

  325. 325.

    Cacti

    November 8, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    The Detroit Free Press looks to have the “Dewey Defeats Truman” headline of the race.

  326. 326.

    MuckJagger

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    A lot of people won’t accept Clinton as legit even if she wins — with Trump leading most of the night, anything possible scenario that would put Clinton over the top would involve late returns from urban areas — which, of course is where all the “voter fraud” occurs.

  327. 327.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Irony Abounds: where are you getting data that MI is gone?

  328. 328.

    LurkerExtraordinaire

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Cermet: no, we won’t all make it. If things get worse for racist white folks, they will just place more blame on women, gays, POC, liberals.

  329. 329.

    cmorenc

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    Hillary gets to 270 exactly, even against a max Trumpstorm, with:
    Vt, Mass, RI, Ct, Me(4/5) Vt, NY, Penn, NJ, Del, Md, Va, Mi, Ill, Wi, Mn, Co, NM, Nv, Cal, Or, and Wa.
    WITHOUT WINNING ANY OF:
    Fla, NC, Ga, Oh, or NH (or Ne’s Omaha CD).

    So relax peeps, so long as Michigan holds, we’re going to be all right by the skin of our butt.

  330. 330.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Botsplainer:

    Oh, no one wanted her to win more than I do. I’m not defending them.

    The blue counties in MI still aren’t in but he has huge margins in rural and western counties.

    I’m shocked he’s winning. It’s horrifying.

  331. 331.

    Trentrunner

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @redshirt: Nate just tweeted that if/when FL is called for Trump, obviously Clinton’s winning chances plummet on his model. :(

  332. 332.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: Congratulatons!

  333. 333.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    @Karen: Senate is gone. No senate. That is the least of our worries now.

  334. 334.

    PeakVT

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    Without FL this does not look good. HRC needs some combination of WI, MI, IA, and NH, but right 3 of those are red.

  335. 335.

    Aleta

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: That’s so very wonderful. Congratulations.

  336. 336.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @redshirt: his percentage doesn’t change until a state is called. Doesn’t take into account the low probability that Clinton will win the too close to call states.

  337. 337.

    Another Scott

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @Ruckus: Hillary didn’t need Florida to win. Similarly with many other states that people are panicking about.

    Take a deep breath. :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  338. 338.

    Eric U.

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @BobbyK: I think this is right. I know people that really shouldn’t vote trump that did. They are afraid of Muslims and there is something about trade. Plus they are voting for team white

  339. 339.

    Lizzy L

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: Congratulations!!

  340. 340.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    Now on ABC 2 counties Michigan, Obama won by a LOT are now voting for trump, so again tell me the people that voted for Obama in 2012 and are now voting for trump a racist asshole rednecks.

    ABC is saying if trump wins Michigan, he’s president.

  341. 341.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @cmorenc: Oh hey, maybe those two promised faithless electors in Washington could end up be important…

  342. 342.

    SenyorDave

    November 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    She does seem to have a possible avenue in NC. Only 43% of Charlotte is in, and she’s up there by 115k. But MI looks very bad. Are the people so f’in stupid, Obama saved the auto industry there?

  343. 343.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    Trump up 3% in Wayne County with 11% in? That’s fucking Russian hacking. If you’ve ever been to Wayne County, you know that’s complete and total bullshit.

    The Democratic primary was the dry run. The results were identical state-wide, and additional counties coming in didn’t change anything.

  344. 344.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    America’s fate determined by less educated white folks, how comforting. I hate this country.

  345. 345.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Irony Abounds:

    Michigan’s gone folks, and Pennsylvania is likely to follow. Redneck America has prevailed. Unless somehow Clinton pulls out Arizona, which would be delicious, Clinton is toast. Kiss Obamacare goodbye. Kiss Roe v Wade goodbye. Kiss America as we know it goodbye. And your 401(k) is toast as well.

    But on the good side, old white guys can sneer at coloreds and “elites” again.

  346. 346.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Corner Stone: I’m not sure I understand your question.

  347. 347.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    I’m absolutely sick about this.

  348. 348.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Theron Ware: for all the B5 fans…I’m reminded of that episode where the heads of B5 all have to choose stay or fight. They all chose stay.

  349. 349.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    November 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Cermet:

    In all honestly, if small hands wins, we will all make it

    No, I don’t think we do. This is pushing all of my fucking Gilead buttons.

  350. 350.

    Lizzy L

    November 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Felonius Monk: No. He’ll tell them who to blame, and they will follow his lead. Fascist America.

  351. 351.

    MuckJagger

    November 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    Yeah, exactly — I’d never vote for the guy under any circumstances, but I have to admit it would be awfully interesting to watch that juggling act where he puts through his tax cut, rebuilds the military, fixes America’s infrastructure *and* brings the jobs back to the Rust Belt/Midwest.

    I’m a government employee, so I’m facing coming to work every morning and looking at his mug in the lobby.

  352. 352.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @BobbyK:

    It’s true.

    top Clinton strategist: “we need PA, MI, and either NV or NH. Feel good about that”

    I don’t know why they feel good about that. MI looks terrible and I’m also worried about WI.

  353. 353.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @cmorenc: That’s still a loss as far as I’m concerned. Embolden Republicans will be completely unmanageable. So Obama obstruction was nothing compared to this. That is assuming if (and it’s still a very big IF) she wins.

    Gonna be real hard getting a liberal SCOTUS nominated for starters.

  354. 354.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    I think we have some trolls here who are stirring the already rocky waters. Screw them.

  355. 355.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Cermet: Look at the history of conservative states: they never discover the truth.

  356. 356.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @SenyorDave:

    He shouldn’t have bothered. The stupid fucks should have been left to either starve or pawn their guns for grocery money.

  357. 357.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @cmorenc: Maine’s only 4 EV.

  358. 358.

    Cacti

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @cmorenc:

    So relax peeps, so long as Michigan holds, we’re going to be all right by the skin of our butt.

    Trump is up fairly bigly in Michigan, is he not?

  359. 359.

    some guy

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    tonight we see the true face of the GOP. dam’s post about exurban voter turnout tells us so much about the status quo in FL They did a better job of motivating theeir untapped voters.

  360. 360.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @BobbyK: Your utter stupidity is showing; trade deals have been shown in all major studies to increase the economy. Your first point, a liar can convince stupid people to sell their souls is correct but don’t talk about what you apparently don’t know shit about.

  361. 361.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    Burr wins in NC – the Senate is probably gone or, at best, if Missouri, Wisconsin and NH come through, tied.

  362. 362.

    NR

    November 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    We’re fucked, people. You can thank the Democratic party establishment for this utter disaster.

  363. 363.

    Gavin

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Cermet:

    And we can hope the D “Establishment” has learned its lesson about throwing away the working class by then.

  364. 364.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    Wisconsin flipped at NYT. Trump over 300 EV now.

  365. 365.

    cckids

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Ruckus: And me. I just cannot take this.

  366. 366.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @NR:

    Oh, yes, Bernie would have done so much better.

  367. 367.

    fuzz

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    that’s absolutely a huge part of it. I worked in an office until September where my boss and some clients- who were never going to vote dem anyway but still- said they didn’t like Hillary’s voice, gushed over how hot Melania was even after the plagarism thing, thought Trump’s sexual history was great but then criticized Clinton for the same thing.

    Much of this country is fairly wretched.

  368. 368.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Cacti: And I am worried on that front; as MI goes very likely WI follows. Yes, your point is correct.

  369. 369.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Botsplainer: Along with the left saying “Nach Hitler, uns”.

  370. 370.

    Adam

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    i’m crying, first time since my mom died.

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    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @BobbyK:

    I’m sick about it too. My daughter is horribly upset. She feels the country is misogynist.

  372. 372.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 8, 2016 at 10:15 pm

    @Gavin: And we can hope the D “Establishment” has learned its lesson about throwing away the working class by then.

    You have that backwards.

  373. 373.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Miss Bianca:

    Why would they think “their way of life” is under attack *now* more than, say, during PBO’s election campaigns and terms of office? People talk about racism, but let’s look at the elephant hiding under the wazzing donkey in the room: sexism.

    Yep. It’s the one-two punch. First there was a black man in charge, and that was bad, but at least he had a peni$. Now there would be a woman in charge.

    Sexism has been way, way downplayed throughout this entire process.

  374. 374.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @MuckJagger: heh. My wife is GS. They were told that they can’t deface the prez pic.

  375. 375.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    Can’t wait to see these toolbags on TV start sucking up to the Trump family. Knee pads will be necessary.

  376. 376.

    Hob

    November 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    Not that anyone cares, but here’s one lurker who can’t take the trolling and the freakouts any more and will not be reading these threads for the rest of the night. Cheers to the rest of you, I did enjoy reading your comments. It’s gonna be OK.

  377. 377.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Kay:

    And she’s right.

  378. 378.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    The problem for Dems is that so many of their states are barely Dem. So a little shift to the Republicans takes down a whole slew of states. Like we are seeing now.

  379. 379.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    @Hob:

    I care. What are you basing your optimism on?

  380. 380.

    Caravelle

    November 8, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    To all the people recommending the Upshot and the 1024 ways to the election as being reassuring – note that these put Michigan in the “Dem” column, meaning the whole flowchart assumes that Clinton takes Michigan before it even starts, meaning that if she doesn’t it will be very misleading.

    I hope that the results in Michigan so far are biased towards Trump and that patroclus is right that it’s already turning back. (just saw an interview with the governor of Michigan saying she thought it was close but she felt confident that Hillary would carry the state, but isn’t it the kind of thing they always say at this point anyway…)

  381. 381.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    November 8, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    @MisterForkbeard: Congratulations!

  382. 382.

    amk

    November 8, 2016 at 10:17 pm

    Looks like entire west coast and east coast won’t matter any more. The assholes in the middle and the south made this nightmare come alive.

  383. 383.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    This is Russian hacking right?

    How could ALL the polls be so off?

  384. 384.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    Both Obamas and both Clintons will be endangered in a Trump admin.

  385. 385.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Yes. We are fucking second-class citizens, broodmares, and fuckholes, and they will never let us forget it.

  386. 386.

    Jilli Brown

    November 8, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @Anya: An ignorant racist clown that never presented one serious policy proposal to his scampaign. Sweet jeebus…

  387. 387.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    Biden or O-Mallory might have done better but the racist element runs deep in this country. This is ugly and not looking good.

  388. 388.

    MuckJagger

    November 8, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    Let’s be “healthily paranoid” and say for the sake of argument there is hacking going on. You really wouldn’t need to hack everywhere — you just follow the results for a while, and if they’re favorable then you really only need to hack *one* state.

  389. 389.

    NR

    November 8, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Yeah, Bernie might have lost the election and given us president Trump. Good thing Clinton isn’t going to do that.

  390. 390.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @patroclus: Tied is pretty awesome, compared to lost. How do committees work with a tie?

  391. 391.

    OGLiberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    Here’s my message to the country this evening even if Clinton ekes out a win.

    Eff you, eff all you racist folks, eff all you racist folks who hide your racism in something like “trade”, eff you and die. I don’t care about you because you hate me. I hate you. Eff it – you all suck. Eff you. And while my little kids would never say that – I will say eff you on their behalf. I hate all of you and I don’t care about how you feel. Eff you!

  392. 392.

    Corner Stone

    November 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I honestly don’t either. This is really kind of like an Inception level event.
    I called my dad after Kerry lost in 2004 and wondered where we lived anymore. This is like 1000 times that feeling.

  393. 393.

    guachi

    November 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    On the other hand, because there are so many barely Dem states there is a chance a whole bunch can flip right back to Clinton, too.

    Like a 1% swing to Clinton will move five states.

  394. 394.

    cckids

    November 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @Cermet: We will not all make it. Some of us have been punched in the face repeatedly by economic/health care crises, I, for one, just don’t have the strength or will to climb out of another hole. Especially in a country that would elect Donald Fucking Trump.

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    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    NYT called NC-Sen for Burr.

    Not a good night.

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    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    Ohio for Trump.

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    Cacti

    November 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    NAFTA strangled the rust belt, now the rust belt is set to shiv the Clinton political dynasty.

    Ironic.

  398. 398.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @redshirt:

    Official results require matches between numbers of voters and numbers of votes. Hard to do.

  399. 399.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    I think I’m going to need professional help. No matter which way this falls.

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    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @Kay:

    She feels the country is misogynist.

    Unfortunately, rural and exurban voters in a lot of states are proving her right.

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    Kathleen

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    Just saw this on Twitter – don’t know anything about the tweeter:

    Ok. Broward has 250,000 votes outstanding. Hillary will win 70% of those so that’s 175,000 – she’s losing by 133,000, so she wins the state

  402. 402.

    Mike in NC

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @NR: The correct answer is fuck you.

  403. 403.

    PeakVT

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    So why didn’t we see this coming? Were we caught in a bubble of our own making somehow?

  404. 404.

    GregB

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    If Trump pulls this out, America becomes a very dangerous place for a large mumber of minorities.

    It is sickening.

  405. 405.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    @Botsplainer: Yep I thought that too. Like literally physically in danger.

  406. 406.

    JMG

    November 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    The country I grew up in, that believed in progress (even Reagan did, in his way) and inclusion, is dead. People full of hate and rage run it now. Times will get very dark. I don’t think minorities are going to give up what they’ve won without a fight. I think the assholes of the Trump movement will run amok. Since he has no idea what he’s doing, catastrophes will follow in short order. War, recession, racial and religious strife. We’ll be the Balkans in the ’90s, but with nukes.
    My country is gone, and I don’t know what to do. My daughter just called me from France where she worked. I couldn’t comfort her. I can’t comfort myself. I am very glad she lives there now.

  407. 407.

    Trentrunner

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    With 99% reporting in Florida, Clinton trails Trump by 135,296 votes.

    Gary Johnson + Jill Stein = 266,208

  408. 408.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @Cacti:

    NAFTA was a Bush deal.

  409. 409.

    James E Powell

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @liberal:

    Why isn’t it strong enough? It only needs to be worth 5-7 points to be decisive.

  410. 410.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    She texted her husband their polling location and he voted. Looks like PA is holding at least. That’s were they are.

  411. 411.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @Cermet:

    In all honestly, if small hands wins, we will all make it

    And by “we,” you mean “straight white men,” of course.

  412. 412.

    albertZ

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @redshirt:

    This is Russian hacking right?

    Haven’t you been reading Adam Silverman’s recent posts? The “hacking” already happened. This is merely the outcome – no hacking required.

  413. 413.

    SFAW

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    @Mai.naem.mobile:

    If Trump wins I dont want the Senate. Theyre going to blame Obama for every fucking thing.but they will get an asskicking in 2018.

    Who will get an “asskicking in 2018”? It sure as hell won’t be the Rethugs. Yeah, yeah, I know about midterms. But the Rethugs will blame EVERYTHING on Obama the Jews the Demonrats, and the same morons who elected Trump (if that comes about) will still be voting their hatred/racism.

  414. 414.

    Lizzy L

    November 8, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    If it happens, we will survive. We have been through worse. And I mean all of us who voted for Clinton, or who supported Bernie. We will need to support each other through this.

  415. 415.

    TS

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Also too racist. Did not believe this could happen – not anywhere anytime – but especially in the USA

  416. 416.

    Mary G

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    America doesn’t deserve nice things.

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    donnah

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    Ohio and Florida go red.

  418. 418.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @Trentrunner: Those were never Clinton votes.

  419. 419.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @WaterGirl: It depends on who is V-P, who would break the tie. If it’s Pence, it’s just as bad as 49-51. But that assumes NH, Missouri and Wisconsin, all of which are still very close. It could be 47-53 and Trump in the WH.

  420. 420.

    eric

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    kos: So Trump leads in both Wisconsin and Michigan, but Dane (Madison) and Milwaukee barely reporting, while the same in Flint and Detroit.

  421. 421.

    James E Powell

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    I called my dad after Kerry lost in 2004 and wondered where we lived anymore. This is like 1000 times that feeling.

    Kerry’s loss hurt, but I more or less expected it. This, though. This is beyond anything I ever imagined.

  422. 422.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @Lizzy L:

    I haven’t, and I’m pretty old.

  423. 423.

    glory b

    November 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Clinton projected to win VA, still waiting for Broward to finish, according to Sirius progressive.

  424. 424.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    Congratulations to you and your spouse/partner; welcome to your daughter (along with pre-emptive apologies); and thank you very much for the reminder.

    Please let us know when things happen :-)

  425. 425.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @PeakVT: All the polls? Every single one of them. No on predicted this. Not even close. Not our bubble.

    But something else for sure.

  426. 426.

    dmsilev

    November 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @PeakVT:

    So why didn’t we see this coming? Were we caught in a bubble of our own making somehow?

    We all saw the polls. They were systematically wrong.

  427. 427.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    November 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Fuck Ohio.

  428. 428.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    People, it’s over. And I do blame the Democrats for nominating Hillary. She was a terrible choice (not that Bernie would have been much better). The only good that may come out of this election, and there really is virtually zero good to come out of this, is that perhaps the Dems will find some quality young talent and finally ditch the Clintons and all the old guard.

  429. 429.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    Virginia was too damn close; NH looks to be a lost. Without WI, MI and Minn or even NV, game over. Need to see more blue. No longer worried; wish I was …just too close everywhere and always on the wrong side. Damn.

  430. 430.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @dmsilev:

    I think misogyny was way underrated. And that includes misogyny among women.

  431. 431.

    scott (the other one)

    November 8, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Seriously, if @Trentrunner: Seriously, if we pull this out? It’s time to saw off Florida, ala Bugs Bunny.

  432. 432.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @Kathleen: Those are a lot of assumptions in an election where all assumptions were wrong.

  433. 433.

    chopper

    November 8, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @PeakVT:

    we followed the polls, which apparently weren’t right.

    as long as hilz wins MI she’s got it. it’ll be close as hell, but okay.

  434. 434.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @Botsplainer: And the rust belt/ de-industrialization started at least as early as 1980.

  435. 435.

    Jesse

    November 8, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @NR: You probably think of yourself as a good person. You shouldn’t.

  436. 436.

    Dadadadadadada

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    NBC just gave us Virginia!

  437. 437.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @Cermet: Your stupidity is showing. JFC the trade deals KILL jobs and peopled in the mid west experienced this first hand. GDP is utterly different from jobs, a small minority of extremely rich people making enormous amounts of money can increase GDP while hundreds of thousands of regular workers lose their jobs.

  438. 438.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    Hillary wins Virginia.

  439. 439.

    SenyorDave

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @Kathleen: Completely incorrect. 72% of the state voted by mail. There’s not enought votes left in Broward. She’ll close, but not nearly enough

  440. 440.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @redshirt: That something else is that this country is no longer a liberal bastion in the world, it is a backward, racist, sexist hotbed.

  441. 441.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    I need to step away from here, but I’m afraid of what it will be like if I do.

    I’m sorry. I’m not doing well. This isn’t about me.

  442. 442.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    MSNBC calls VA for Clinton.

  443. 443.

    Splitting Image

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @Kay:

    I don’t know why they feel good about that. MI looks terrible and I’m also worried about WI.

    Waukesha County looks like it is in early for a change, and is accounting for Trump’s lead in Wisconsin. Clinton should still pull it out.

  444. 444.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @Baud: How are you doing? You’ve gotten pretty quiet.

  445. 445.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @LurkerExtraordinaire:
    The reality is that yes CA or NY are better. But without that federal safety nets of SS, Medicare, the ACA, the VA, and so on we wouldn’t be a whole lot better. We are a nation, not a collection of separate states. And yet if the asshole wins we really are saying that the south won the civil war, that racism is OK, that strip mining our financial resources is OK, that women should be barefoot and pregnant, that old people can fuck off and die, that Russia and China have the right type of government, that police are the law, that pollution and global warming is a myth, that rich people are better than you and me. And I bet others can list a lot more.

  446. 446.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @donnah:

    FWIW, Ohio was predicted for Trump for months.

  447. 447.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    Nate has it at 51% Clinton, 48% Trump, with the three key states (PA, MI, WI) all at 50/50.

  448. 448.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    Virginia called for Hillary!

  449. 449.

    Jonathan Holland Becnel

    November 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    I’m shocked that Clinton is not doing well tonight!

  450. 450.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    @redshirt: I think some polls did predict this. That LATimes poll maybe. There were outliers that did predict this.

  451. 451.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    @BobbyK: yeah, thing is you actually know something about the economy.

  452. 452.

    MuckJagger

    November 8, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    I’ve got a *ton* of friends back home in Maine who void for Trump — don’t forget, this is a state that voted in Paul LePage twice.

    I don’t believe they’re *all* racist, but I suppose they could be. That seems to be a stretch.

    One of my poker buddies told me a while ago that he voted for LePage not because he agreed with everything he said, but because LePage was viewed as honest, and speaking his mind — not trying to be everything to everybody.

    Doesn’t matter that neither party’s state representatives want to work with the guy — he “tells the truth.”

  453. 453.

    James E Powell

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    I think misogyny was way underrated. And that includes misogyny among women.

    I agree. And ultimately I think it mattered way more than the racism because the racists were already voting for Republicans.

    Strictly anecdata, but I know quite a few D and D leaning women who just absolutely despise HRC. And this goes back to when she was First Lady. Not related to any emails, etc.

  454. 454.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @Mnemosyne:Yeah; got me there. Damn, can’t get away with anything with you people. Well, it ain’t over yet and until MI or another critical Blue state is lost, we still have the advantage.

  455. 455.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    Welp. Now Nate has it 55-44 odds for Trump.

    I don’t even.

  456. 456.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @PeakVT: I don’t think all of us were living in a bubble but the polls were pretty optimistic and moving late toward Clinton. You don’t have to be in bubble to trust the polls.

  457. 457.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Anyone who ever doubted that women are still considered to be absolute trash in this country hasn’t been paying attention.

    My God, this is happening. This is a nightmare.

  458. 458.

    OGLiberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    Here’s my message to the country this evening even if Clinton ekes out a win.

    Eff you, eff all you racist folks, eff all you racist folks who hide your racism in something like “trade”, eff you and die. I don’t care about you because you hate me. I hate you. Eff it – you all suck. Eff you. And while my little kids would never say that – I will say eff you on their behalf. I hate all of you and I3 don’t care about how you feel. Eff you!

  459. 459.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @WaterGirl:

    Just holding on. Hoping for a good result.

  460. 460.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    Hillary closes Michigan to 34,000 down.

  461. 461.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    I do too. She’s REALLY under-performing Obama in the midwest. He was able to get ex-urban voters, twice. If it were straight race I don’t think that would be true. She’s losing a lot of people who voted for Obama twice in Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin.

  462. 462.

    divF

    November 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: The country may go into the shitter this evening, and your over here to gloat. Asshole.

  463. 463.

    Davis X. Machina

    November 8, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    @Cacti: The rust belt died 10 years before NAFTA, but, ok…

  464. 464.

    Hill Dweller

    November 8, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    @Irony Abounds: Obama was “quality young talent”, but Dems ran from him for most of his term, and Republicans tried to destroy him from day one. Despite being a really good President, the country is going to elect a racist reality star, who didn’t even bother putting forward a serious policy proposal.

  465. 465.

    Chris

    November 8, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    @SFAW:

    And if Repubs win, vote suppression goes into overdrive, especially with a new Supreme Court. Let’s not forget that,

  466. 466.

    NR

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Jesse: I couldn’t possibly give less of a fuck about what you think of me.

  467. 467.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @JMG: Damn it. It isn’t over. Yeah, I’m worried but if MI/WI and MINN all fall in line, Hillary wins. Have faith.

  468. 468.

    Gator90

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    Michigan is pretty much the last stand at this point, right?

  469. 469.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @SFAW: Senate map favors GOP in 2018 so even if the D’s pull it out tonight, the Senate will flip back in 2018. The House will be GOP until 2030 since the redistricting will be based on 2020 census and GOP will control most states thru 2020..

  470. 470.

    BlueDWarrior

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @patroclus: Where are you getting your MI numbers from?

  471. 471.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Irony Abounds:

    Yes, Donald Trump ran an openly white supremacist election, complete with Jew-baiting and telling white people that their world would be over if the Democrats won, and the problem was Hillary.

    I’m sorry, but the problem is white people, who were so fucking racist and sexist that they ran in droves to the guy who promised them that they could stomp on the n*ggers, ragheads, and Jews with no consequences again.

  472. 472.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @cmorenc: Remember WA has a Bernie dead ender as a Democratic elector who has already announced he’ll pay the $1,000 penalty rather than vote for Clinton. And they have another Democratic elector who refuses to commit to vote for Clinton. So 270 including Washington state won’t cut it. She needs at least 272.

  473. 473.

    Ohio Mom

    November 8, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Mnemosyne: As Yoko Ono pointed out, Women is n***** of the world.

  474. 474.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @Kay: Yeah, Clinton ain’t winning Michigan. Don’t forget, Bernie killed Clinton in Michigan and trump parroted Bernie’s message. Again I don’t believe for a second trump cares about regular people, but he got enough people to believe him. One of the pundits on ABC talked about how a union worker told a reporter all the union leaders were voting Clinton but the rank and file were voting trump.

  475. 475.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @D58826: Fuck the Senate at this point. We need the Prez.

  476. 476.

    Bumper

    November 8, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @different-church-lady: Your comments are seriously concerning me. Is there someone you can call to talk you through this?

  477. 477.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @Botsplainer: yeah, but Clinton signed it. IIRC Congressional Dems were against pretty strongly.

  478. 478.

    Cermet

    November 8, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @BobbyK:Not wrong; sure jobs are lost and they never would exist anyway because others work for far less. All studies show that the net economy does much better. That is a fact.

  479. 479.

    Peale

    November 8, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @Kay: yep. He saved the auto industry. They don’t owe her anything.

  480. 480.

    Lizzy L

    November 8, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    @gogol’s wife: I haven’t — but the country has. We survived the Civil War. We have to be strong enough to survive 4 years of this fascist.

  481. 481.

    patroclus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @BlueDWarrior: Flipping channels and watching the raw vote when it flashes on the screen. My latest was CNN, but I’m also checking Bloomberg, MSNBC, PBS, Fox and BBC.

  482. 482.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    Market 700 points down.

  483. 483.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    @Baud: That would be me, too.

  484. 484.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Kathleen:

    Ok. Broward has 250,000 votes outstanding. Hillary will win 70% of those so that’s 175,000 – she’s losing by 133,000, so she wins the state

    Forgot to count the other 75,000 votes that Trump gets under that scenario. It’s the delta of 100,000 that matters. Still another 33,000 to make up somewhere.

  485. 485.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Hill Dweller: Unfortunately Obama is no longer able to run, so name another quality young talent among the Democrats, or even quality fresh talent, no matter what age. The Dems went and nominated someone with such baggage that she is losing to a hack, racist, sexist monster.

  486. 486.

    BBA

    November 8, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    I regret everything.

  487. 487.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Bumper: Uhh… you guys? I mean… I’m just not making any sense right now.

    I hate hate HATE leaning on people for emotional support.

    I’m going to make an appointment in the morning.

  488. 488.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 8, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @BobbyK: One of the pundits on ABC talked about how a union worker told a reporter all the union leaders were voting Clinton but the rank and file were voting trump.

    union members also supported Scott Walker in WI, and Portman and Kasich in OH. All free trade advocates.

  489. 489.

    Another Scott

    November 8, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @Davis X. Machina: Yup.

    BLS graph of manufacturing employment from 1970-2016. It actually went up a little after NAFTA (1994), but fell like a rock starting in 2001. Weird that it took 7 years for NAFTA to kill manufacturing in the USA. Maybe NAFTA wasn’t it? Gee, what happened in 2001, I forget…? :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  490. 490.

    Lizzy L

    November 8, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @different-church-lady: Please take care of yourself.

  491. 491.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @Lizzy L: Yep. “There is much ruin in a nation.” –Adam Smith.

  492. 492.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    Just bought a pack of cigarettes, because dying of cancer looks pretty good compared to living in dystopia.

  493. 493.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @Gator90: The pundits on ABC have been saying for a while Michigan could give the election to trump. It looks like he’s killing it in Michigan so far.

  494. 494.

    Emma

    November 8, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @different-church-lady: Hold on. Make your appointment. Don’t let go.

  495. 495.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    @Kay:

    I think a lot of non-religious people don’t understand how strong the whole evangelical teaching about women not having authority over men really is. It even infects people who never go to church.

  496. 496.

    BlueDWarrior

    November 8, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    @patroclus: Yeah USA Today just updated it too.

  497. 497.

    Baud

    November 8, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    Hillary wins Colorado.

  498. 498.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Yes. Make an appointment. When you finally talk to someone, you will wonder why you waited so long. It’s an amazing relief.

  499. 499.

    BobbyK

    November 8, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: We’ll survive-I think :-). No need to give yourself cancer-yet :-)

  500. 500.

    D58826

    November 8, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Irony Abounds:

    quality young talent among the Democrats

    After the wipe outs in 2010 and 2014 thyere is no bench. TGhe young talent comes up from the states and most of them are red.

  501. 501.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Michigan not lost yet.

  502. 502.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Lizzy L: Just gotta make it through the night.

    Might have to hang on to you folks to do it.

  503. 503.

    hueyplong

    November 8, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Kay: “I’m sick about it too. My daughter is horribly upset. She feels the country is misogynist.”

    Really need Michigan, but even if Hillary gets it and manages to win, I think your daughter is correct.

  504. 504.

    redshirt

    November 8, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    538 back up with Clinton at a 52% chance to Trump’s 47.

    PLEASE.

  505. 505.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Irony Abounds:

    The Dems went and nominated someone with such baggage a vagina that she is losing to a hack, racist, sexist monster.

    Let’s have it out in the open, shall we? Sexist men (and women) are voting for Trump because Hillary is a woman. It’s not her “baggage.” It’s her vagina.

  506. 506.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Lizzy L:

    If it happens, we will survive. We have been through worse. And I mean all of us who voted for Clinton, or who supported Bernie. We will need to support each other through this.

    I’m 54, and suffered three Republican presidencies in my career, each of which kicked the fuck out of my client base through lousy economic policies. Clinton and Obama saved my people.

    I don’t have the career years left to go through it a fourth time. And I’m not going to schlep around all hunched over, hoping to scavenge tiny fees.

  507. 507.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I had someone really good. I reached a point where I couldn’t afford her any more. The generic ones in my network don’t do any good. I’m going to break into the piggy bank and see the good one again.

    I know I’m being a drama queen here. But I need to be. It’s not just about this election, this is just the last straw.

  508. 508.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @BobbyK:

    Well, my son’s rank and file and he voted for Clinton. I think Obama connected with white middle class and working class men on “the man thing”, honestly. They just liked him. They liked Obama, they didn’t like John Kerry. They thought Obama was manly, they didn’t think John Kerry was manly.

    That’s why I said I thought the “female” part of this was under-analyzed (in hindsight, of course).

  509. 509.

    sdhays

    November 8, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: That tweet was from 7:31pm, unless I’m reading it wrong.

  510. 510.

    Hill Dweller

    November 8, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    @Irony Abounds: Obviously, Obama can’t run again. My point was “quality young talent” isn’t going to suddenly solve the Democratic Party’s problems. As Josh Marshall has said, Washington is wired for Republicans. Couple that with white people who are scared to death of anyone that doesn’t look like them, and you get a half-wit reality star elected President.

  511. 511.

    Elie

    November 8, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    the problem is white people, who were so fucking racist and sexist that they ran in droves to the guy who promised them that they could stomp on the n*ggers, ragheads, and Jews with no consequences again.

    You have that right. My heart is broken … I am a fighter, but right now my heart is broken..

    BTW — I work for Planned Parenthood.. We will be headed to “the mattresses” for sure….

    White women had a big hand in this result — unless we can determine that it was “rigged” to use a term.

  512. 512.

    Peale

    November 8, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    @Another Scott: it wasn’t nafta. It was China. And yeah, the Bushies dropped the ball big time on China. They did nothing about the outsourcing of manufacturing.

  513. 513.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Another Scott:
    I didn’t expect it to be a walk for Clinton but to see some of these results and the turnout that the fucking asshole got without doing 1/10 the work that Clinton did? I can’t not take this personally, everything, including my life is on the table because of this fucking asshole. You like your life? I’d like to think I might have one in 2-3 yrs. Put yourself in my shoes or the shoes of several of us on this blog, or the millions like me in meatspace. You may think I’m having a panic, and you’d be right. I’ve lived through being wiped out by an earthquake, by the largest recession on record, but those pale in comparison to what this fucking asshole and his conservative government will do to all of us.

  514. 514.

    jacy

    November 8, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    I’ve been where you are. Seriously. Reach out.

  515. 515.

    Carolina Dave

    November 8, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Lizzy L: big difference is the southern states never assumed control of all branches of government. We’re into uncharted waters if Michigan falls. Ironically one of the biggest supplier of manpower in the first civil war.

  516. 516.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 8, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Lizzy L:

    We survived the Civil War.

    The country survived, a lot of people didn’t.

  517. 517.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    You are concerning me enough that I want you to have this link. Please use it.

  518. 518.

    GrandJury

    November 8, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    Sam, Nate, and NYT all saying likely Trump win. It’s over folks. And I do mean over. Like end times over as far as I’m concerned.

    Only hope now is that Trump gets impeached before he does any major damage.

  519. 519.

    p.a.

    November 8, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    Well guess I’ll try to get some sleep. It is unusual to win 3 pres elections in a row, since FDR/Truman only Reagan/GHWB. Saw on CNN earlier this evening 38% of voters wanted ‘change’. I thought oh-oh. Who would be stupid enough to expect change for the better from that fuck. Stupid people.

  520. 520.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    It’s not her “baggage.” It’s her vagina.

    You can put things inside of both.

    /Sorry.NotSorry.

  521. 521.

    Ohio Mom

    November 8, 2016 at 10:41 pm

    @different-church-lady: Just take it one day at a time, one hour, one minute at a time. Really, call a hot line if you need to. You can do it. And you do have lots of company, you are not alone.

  522. 522.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    @sdhays: I’m pretty sure that’s 7:31 pacific for some reason. Michigan wasn’t reporting yet at 7:31 Eastern

  523. 523.

    J R in WV

    November 8, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Can we come with you? ;-)

    Too early to plan immigration to Barcelona, SP. Way too early. We gotta wait until the last vote is actually counted, not “forecast” by a network “news” org.

    Too early to panic, folks.

  524. 524.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    @Ruckus: hey, man (woman?), I understand. I’m very financially secure, but I understand economic and psychological insecurity.

    Just try to hang in there, pal.

  525. 525.

    sdhays

    November 8, 2016 at 10:42 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: I see. That’s what I wanted to hear! :-)

  526. 526.

    Botsplainer

    November 8, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @BobbyK:

    Can’t wait until the Trump recession kills their jobs.

  527. 527.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: on my iPad, it was 10:31 EST.

  528. 528.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Thanks. Sincerely. Bookmarked. But I suspect the lines will be pretty full tonight…

  529. 529.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @Davis X. Machina:

    The rust belt died 10 years before NAFTA, but, ok…

    I finally left Michigan in 1984, and already “Last one to leave Michigan turn out the lights” was a tired old cliché. Pisses me off to see trade agreements blamed for outsourcing and offshoring that began years earlier.

  530. 530.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @Elie: There is no result yet.

  531. 531.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    If you’re in pain, you’re not being a drama queen. Believe me, the most destructive thought I had to overcome in order to get myself to therapy was, Well, I’m not so bad off, so what am I whining about? This was when I was on the verge of losing my job at the time because I couldn’t concentrate on anything. I ended up needing medication because I had waited so long.

    When you need help, you need help. Go get it.

  532. 532.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Botsplainer: yeah, fuck em. I’m pretty left wing myself, and I’m sick and fucking tired of denying that these fucksticks have agency.

  533. 533.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @GrandJury:

    I think it’s over too. I’m so sorry. I hope this primal scream was worth it to people. A lot of people are going to be collateral damage.

  534. 534.

    Mark B

    November 8, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    Thanks, Comey!

  535. 535.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    I really appreciate so many of you being my weird-kind-of-friends.

  536. 536.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Thank you, I needed that laugh right now.

  537. 537.

    PeakVT

    November 8, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    Okay, so no bubble. I asked because I work 65-70 hrs a week these days and haven’t had time to follow the election in depth.

    So the public polls were almost all wrong. I wonder what the Clinton internal polls showed.

  538. 538.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Her vagina is just a part of the problem. It’s a vote by whites who are not only sexist, but racist, and afraid of “the other” and looking for revenge after having to, in their minds, endure the indignity of having an African American President for 8 years. And you can cry sexist all you want, but Clinton did come with tons of baggage, including Billy Boy who may have sealed the deal with his mindlessly stupid meeting with Loretta Lynch.

  539. 539.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    @different-church-lady: yeah, I know from personal experience that some are really good, and many more aren’t.

    Do what you need to get by and then moved forward.

  540. 540.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    @Mnemosyne: I’m in pain. But what I’m realizing is that I was already in a lot of pain long before now and I was trying to ignore it.

  541. 541.

    Elie

    November 8, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    There is something fucked up happening. Sorry. This is not straight ahead.

    That said, I have nothing to offer in terms of a solution except to figure out where my husband and family and I can go.

    “My country tis of thee” — is no more… not after the racist rants that apparently most of the white people in this country uphold. I will find it hard to not look over my shoulder at any white person… I now KNOW — what you think… the major majority of you anyway… No more lies. I understand. WE undestand

  542. 542.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    November 8, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    @different-church-lady: Please hang in – we’re sincere imaginary friends (as Mr. Q calls y’all). I understand how it may not help, but you’re valued here.

  543. 543.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    I have never felt like the American promise didn’t belong to me as much as I do right now.

    I have daughters and I am terrified.

  544. 544.

    Kay

    November 8, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    John Harwood ‏@JohnJHarwood 20m20 minutes ago
    Sr WH official, asked if Clinton still wins: “Yes. tight”

    I don’t know how. I’m just heartsick and I’m going to bed.

  545. 545.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    @different-church-lady: You are a loved and valued part of this herd of snarling jackals.

  546. 546.

    NR

    November 8, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    It’s not her “baggage.” It’s her vagina.

    Yeah, bullshit. Elizabeth Warren would have won easily.

  547. 547.

    Emma

    November 8, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    I am in pain for all those young women who will have to fight these battles over again. Goddess help them.

  548. 548.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    @NR: yep.

  549. 549.

    gogol's wife

    November 8, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    @NR:

    Yeah, that’s REALLY bullshit.

  550. 550.

    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion

    November 8, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    @different-church-lady: Please, please take care of yourself. There just aren’t enough of us as it is. We need you, baby.

  551. 551.

    albertZ

    November 8, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    @NR: What exactly are you trying to achieve here?

  552. 552.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    @Ruckus: God help us all if Trump is elected. But we’ve got your back here, Ruckus, and if push comes to shove and you need money for treatment or whatever, we’ve got you.

  553. 553.

    Irony Abounds

    November 8, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    @NR: AMEN

  554. 554.

    Canadian Shield

    November 8, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    One thing to remember is, as odious as Trump is, he was a mostly-democrat friendly with the clintons before he became a republican (because that was the least path of resistance to win). He wants the title for his legacy but hopefully won’t try to do much. Weak sauce i know but cruz or another evangelical would be worse.

  555. 555.

    Another Scott

    November 8, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    @Ruckus: I’m sorry.

    I agree that the election results should not be this close and that is very disconcerting.

    I’m still optimistic that Hillary will win.

    Hang in there.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  556. 556.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    Potentially encouraging news from Iowa.

  557. 557.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @Kay: I am heartsick, too. But we could use your level head here.

  558. 558.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    Please make a call now. I’d help if I could but you need a voice and a shoulder. Please.

  559. 559.

    WaterGirl

    November 8, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @albertZ: Shit stirring, that should be obvious.

  560. 560.

    TriassicSands

    November 8, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    I’m just sad. Very sad. Appalling.

  561. 561.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    That’s how it works. And then you get into therapy and you shovel through all of it and take an honest look at every piece and, eventually, when you’ve moved enough, life really does get better. I promise.

    You are important. You deserve to feel better. Don’t let the lying voice inside your head tell you anything else.

  562. 562.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @Suzanne: You know what my problem is?

    I don’t know what to do with love.

    Something bad in my family that I’ve never been able to put my finger on.

    I’m supposed to say love back. I feel love back. But my fingers trip over the words.

    We’re pet central here, right? When my cat passed on two springs ago, I deliberately didn’t say a word about it here. Because I knew I wouldn’t be able to deal with the outpouring of sympathy.

    That’s fucked up, right?

  563. 563.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    @Suzanne:

    @different-church-lady: You are a loved and valued part of this herd of snarling jackals.

    Agreed.

  564. 564.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    @PeakVT: Based on 1) all the polling with one or two outliers, 2) everything we know about presidential elections in terms of campaigning, and 3) one campaign actually running a campaign and the other doing its own, weird thing everything pointed to a solid, if not blowout, win for Clinton. This was almost a natural experiment in political science with the following query: to what extent is actually running a professional campaign correlated with winning a presidential election?

    Its also important to recognize/realize that this isn’t like Brexit. There were more polls showing Brexit narrowly passing than there were showing remain winning.

  565. 565.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @Canadian Shield: doesn’t matter. He’ll sign the shit the Republicans send him.

  566. 566.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You know what it feels like? It feels like the point in 1984 when O’Brien is asking what 2+2 is.

    ETA: What was the quote? “5! 4! Anything you say! Just make the pain stop!”

  567. 567.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @different-church-lady: And once it gets this far your brain chemistry isn’t playing fair. Go for the professional help. Trying to fight it alone is not easy and not recommended. We’ll keep good thoughts for you.

  568. 568.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    Fucking Feingold. God damn show pony didn’t do the work necessary to win.

  569. 569.

    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion

    November 8, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @different-church-lady: Fucked up, yes. But fixable.

  570. 570.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @TriassicSands: not me. Mixture of anger and nervousness here.

    Time to stop drinking in preparation for those tasty benzos!

  571. 571.

    The Lodger

    November 8, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @different-church-lady: Agree with Suzanne and Bobby. Stay with us.

  572. 572.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: In fairness, the popular vote still has her winning.

  573. 573.

    Suzanne

    November 8, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    @different-church-lady: As a therapist or a counselor, I make a great architect, so I have no words of wisdom to offer. But I care for you and about you, and I hope that you are encouraged by the rest of us to find the help you need. And you know that you can always count on someone here to take the piss out of you, if that will make you feel better.

  574. 574.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: Feingold lost?

    ETA: OK, MSNBC called it. Shit.

  575. 575.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @different-church-lady: I hear you. But prediction is always backwards, not forwards based on educated assumptions of how the world works, which are based on observations of the world. It has always been possible that Trump could win, it just wasn’t necessarily probable.

  576. 576.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    @Suzanne:

    And you know that you can always count on someone here to take the piss out of you, if that will make you feel better.

    That’s the first laugh I’ve had all night.

  577. 577.

    albertZ

    November 8, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    Well this is turning into a honest to goodness red pill-blue pill moment.

  578. 578.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    I had to see someone in 2001. Too many things pilled one on top of another were doing me in. As you know as you’ve stated here tonight, help, helps.
    I’m not worried for myself for tonight, but I also have a decent source for now. But I do have worry for you. Please call.

  579. 579.

    Mnemosyne

    November 8, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Facebook story: a friend of my brother-in-law’s was raised by a narcissistic mother and has been going through a long therapy process. She just figured out that she is not, in fact, an introvert. She’s actually an extrovert, but dealing with her horrible family made her withdraw from other people because she felt like she had to conceal her real feelings from everyone, when she really needed to conceal them from her toxic family.

    Go get help and let yourself feel better. You deserve it.

  580. 580.

    Adam L Silverman

    November 8, 2016 at 11:03 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: Tracking. Michigan will come down to Detroit/Wayne County, Flint, and Ann Arbor. They will take a while.

  581. 581.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 11:05 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    When my cat passed on two springs ago, I deliberately didn’t say a word about it here. Because I knew I wouldn’t be able to deal with the outpouring of sympathy.

    That’s fucked up, right?

    Nah, I get that. If something is affecting my behavior I’ll let people know about it, but otherwise I sometimes keep it to myself.

  582. 582.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:06 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Too many things pilled one on top of another were doing me in.

    Yeah. Exactly that. It’s been years now. In 2011 I needed surgery and couldn’t work for thee months and I’ve never been the same since.

    i feel so guilty I’m turning this into my personal therapy session. I guess it’s not so bad since this thread isn’t really alive anymore.

  583. 583.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 11:12 pm

    Michigan looking better.

  584. 584.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @different-church-lady: guilt? Nah. Dump that thought.

  585. 585.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    She just figured out that she is not, in fact, an introvert. She’s actually an extrovert, but dealing with her horrible family made her withdraw from other people because she felt like she had to conceal her real feelings from everyone, when she really needed to conceal them from her toxic family.

    Yes, that sounds very familiar. There’s a lot of emotional dysfunction in my family around love going back to at least my mother’s father. I went out into the world like being a person with normal emotions was a second language I spoke almost without an accent.

  586. 586.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @liberal: It’s a hard thing to do for me. I hate being needy. Strike that: I’m TERRIFIED of being needy.

    And right now I’m just spraying needy all over the joint.

  587. 587.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    November 8, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    @different-church-lady: Don’t feel guilty (gender-generic) dude. We’re sincere, and we care. Things are sucking hard tonight, and for those who’ve been struggling before, it’s g*dawful.

    My old man told me once when I told him I felt guilty for being down when people had it worse:

    Perspective is good, but your biggest problem is still your biggest problem.

    I try to remember that, and encourage you to believe it. We’re listening. I may be doing it quite virtually, as I’m about done in (up at 4 for 6am poll observing – with credentials – call) and having difficulty with short dark days. But I care.

  588. 588.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 8, 2016 at 11:16 pm

    @Bobby Thomson: Seriously, evidence that he didn’t put in the work? Put it up.

  589. 589.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Thanks. But I feel really bad I chose this moment to break. It’s all so much more important than me.

  590. 590.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 11:17 pm

    @WaterGirl:
    I appreciate the sentiment. Hope I don’t have to take you up on the offer.

  591. 591.

    liberal

    November 8, 2016 at 11:20 pm

    @different-church-lady: it’s cool. I spent a huge fraction of my life leaning on my friends all the time by bitching about everything.

    As far as the joint is concerned, it’s just a blog comment section. Frankly, responding to you is keeping my mind off the fucking election.

    Hang in there. I gotta call my 87 yo dad…lifelong liberal, and I’m worried that a Trump will give him a heart attack.

  592. 592.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 11:22 pm

    Wisconsin still a high wire act.

  593. 593.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 11:28 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I admit I’m making an ass at least out of me.

  594. 594.

    Bobby Thomson

    November 8, 2016 at 11:31 pm

    Half of all union households voted for Trump, according to exit polls. This should work out at least as well for them as when the Teamsters endorsed Reagan.

    As I saw elsewhere tonight, racism doesn’t lose often.

  595. 595.

    divF

    November 8, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    I’ll stay over here for a while. RtR = Not Over is shitting up the next thread up.

    ETA: Adam just banned him. Phew.

  596. 596.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    I used to be a counselor, years and years and OK you get the picture. I did this weekly for 3 yrs after training for 6 months. Saw people in person, talked to them on the phone. We also met in group to discuss our week and to see if we were having problems. So when it occurred to me yrs later that I needed to see someone, I was surprised by that. I thought I had it in the bag. I didn’t. I just spent weeks at the VA going to group, trying to figure out how to see the bright side of my illnesses, including cancer.
    My point in all of this is that none of us really know how life is going to go, tomorrow or next week or next year. I’ve been down as far as I thought I could go multiple times in the last 20+ yrs and I’ve come back each time. So I’m asking you to do the same. Make the call. Please.

  597. 597.

    celticdragonchick

    November 8, 2016 at 11:33 pm

    Iowa for Trump…Fox calls Wi for Trump.

    I think we are done here.

  598. 598.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:34 pm

    @divF: Welcome to my personal pity party.

  599. 599.

    AndoChronic

    November 8, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    Why go to Canada when you can come to Minnesota? We’re kind of like Canada! Let me be the first to invite and welcome you all here.

  600. 600.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    @Ruckus: I think I’ve run out of sane things to say except thank you.

    I… don’t have cancer. I live in frightening times. I suppose I’ll find a way to pull myself together. Others have done more with much less.

  601. 601.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    My mom took good care of me when I was sick, which was very often when I was young. But I can not recall my mom ever telling me she loved me. My dad hugged me for the first time when he was 75 but at least we talked all the time and worked together for 30 yrs. My sisters were bipolar to the max. I stayed away from home as much as possible starting when I was 12. I very, very rarely had friends over and only one would ever came back a second time. On the other hand I never got hit or physically abused in any way. Families are mostly dysfunctional. Some are much worse. Work on yourself, not on how your family was. I have to live with myself, my family is gone and I’m not. My oldest sister hated my mom and they had horrible fights until she was 60. Then she got cancer. That focused her entire life off of being angry at mom or anyone else. As horrible as it sounds her last yrs were her most peaceful because she no longer worried about the past.

  602. 602.

    Ruckus

    November 8, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    @different-church-lady:
    I understand.
    My illnesses compound the issues we all face tonight. I am not trying to downplay that others may be in worse positions or take this worse than me. We all have to live with ourselves every day. I’d like to think that we also live with each other as well, because otherwise it’s just fucking lonely and few of us like that much.
    As to the night, for me I think I’m expecting too much. I want my fucking pony. I had one for a birthday party once, I think I was 5 or maybe 6. I have a picture of me sitting on it somewhere. The night is not over, although for some of us it feels like it. I actually admire that some can say take a breath, calm down, it’s not over yet. I’m just not one of them anymore.

  603. 603.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:57 pm

    @Ruckus: I’m struggling knowing what to say. It’s familiar. I’m glad your sister found peace. My mother got cancer, and she didn’t find her way to peace and it’s heartbreaking that she went down fighting the same demons.

  604. 604.

    Miss Bianca

    November 8, 2016 at 11:58 pm

    @Elie: If this election goes to Trump, I not only can’t blame you, I’m with you.

  605. 605.

    different-church-lady

    November 8, 2016 at 11:59 pm

    @Ruckus: No. You are not expecting too much. Sometimes the world fails us. It’s not wanting a pony to expect the leader of our country to be sane. It’s not selfish.

  606. 606.

    different-church-lady

    November 9, 2016 at 12:04 am

    Thanks everyone. I guess I’ll be okay.

    If you don’t see me around it’s not because I’ve done myself in — it’s just because I won’t be able to handle facing things for a bit. I need to go find some support off the internet for a while.

  607. 607.

    different-church-lady

    November 9, 2016 at 12:13 am

    If anyone’s still reading, I’m writing an e-mail to the “good” therapist right now.

    We’ll all figure out a way to get through this.

  608. 608.

    AndoChronic

    November 9, 2016 at 12:27 am

    @different-church-lady: :)

  609. 609.

    No One You Know

    November 9, 2016 at 1:02 am

    @James E Powell: Preach it, brother. Comey can congratulate himself while the rest of us curse him.

  610. 610.

    No One You Know

    November 9, 2016 at 1:19 am

    @James E Powell: Preach it, brother. Comey can congratulate himself while the rest of us curse him.@different-church-lady: I’m still reading. And thanking you for your courage in pushing through the noise.

  611. 611.

    Ruckus

    November 9, 2016 at 1:20 am

    @different-church-lady:
    Good for you.
    Thank you as well. I hope you find what you need.

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