The first black U.S. president will now have to train the unqualified white man taking his job. Ain't that America. https://t.co/AzBG2vB2Mz pic.twitter.com/kt6qq7ihNM
— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) November 14, 2016
Someone reminded me of what I was saying when I first started commenting here, eight or nine years ago: The only time the Very Serious People are willing to give a black man or a woman a job is when they’re desperate for someone to come in and clean up the mess they’ve made. So maybe there’s a shot we’ll finally get the first woman President in 2020 — assuming there’s an election then, or a nation capable of holding one.
Apart from organizing among ourselves in preparation for the upcoming debacle, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
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Kushner thought Obama WH staff would stay on for Trump; Conway doesn't know Congress will already be in session. OK. https://t.co/xvYvJddT3I
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) November 13, 2016
Trump’s transition team needs to find nearly 4,000 appointees https://t.co/UCrJ9P4VkP
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) November 14, 2016
We take you now live to The Trump House.https://t.co/JPcx69x2FV pic.twitter.com/5Om7TW477j
— Andrew Coyne (@acoyne) November 12, 2016
@RadioFreeTom he's 70, and not a young 70. The basic requirements of this job are going to eat him alive.
— John Rogers (@jonrog1) November 12, 2016
Another reason I think he never really expected to win. And I suspect his question about sleeping in NYC is creeping panic. https://t.co/4M4i5qBTqs
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) November 12, 2016
I kinda hope Melania and Barron do stay in the NY penthouse — it’s not like they’re responsible for the old man’s upcoming implosion, and if half the latest stories about his inner circle / older kids are true, thing may go full-metal Game of Thrones at the Trump White House before next summer.
THANKS, REPUBLICANS! YOU BUILT THIS!
WereBear
Except we might get Pence.
He has a distinct Savonarola vibe about him that really worries me.
debbie
Except that Trump said he saw a 35-year-old man when he looked in the mirror.
I hope he’s terrified and that he stays terrified until his last moment on Earth.
Baud
One of the silver linings from Bush’s reelection is that he was President when the economy collapsed.
If there can possibly be a silver lining to Trump, it’s that the alt-right, neo-natioalists probably reached national exposure before they expected to. As bad as this fight will be, it would probably have been worse in four years, them they might have gotten more organized.
That’s all I got.
dmsilev
Obama’s a better person than I am. I’d be tempted to just tell Trump ‘it’s yours, enjoy’, and then just walk off.
The Dangerman
How long until “Trump” is painted on Air Force One?
ETA: I read someplace he expects the deportations to start immediately, as in, before he’s even sworn into office? How’s that work, ya know, legally and all that?
Timurid
Why is a racist pig going to take advice from any black man… much less a black man he personally despises?
Ruckus
They didn’t build this.
They are however tearing this down.
@WereBear:
Pence is worse than the Shit-Gibbon. He has some actual experience at destroying a government entity. Yes, his boss is an expert at ruining things but mainly through ineptitude. Not that Pence rates very high on the scale of positive human traits. I think it’s something like 1/2 point. on a scale of 100. I may be giving him too much credit.
Van Buren
OT, but mortgage interest rates are up significantly in the last week. Not seeing mentions of it. I was supposed to be closing on a refi on election day, but there were delays, and now I’m out enough to make it hurt, and nervous it will go up more before I do close.
GrandJury
If you elect a clown don’t be surprised when you get a circus.
Ruckus
@debbie:
I think that level has already been reached.
I don’t think he understood that he is actually responsible for the job, let alone what doing the job means at all. I’m wondering if he makes it to Jan 20th without a massive HA as it becomes more apparent, even to him, that he is so far out of his league it isn’t even measurable.
Percysowner
I’m expecting to see President Pence. Which on one hand probably means not nuking any country that pisses him off and a lesser chance of having the 2018 and 2020 elections called off due to a “constitutional crisis”. OTOH it means destroying all government safety nets and suddenly having all non-barrier forms of birth control outlawed.
NR
The current state of state politics today.
Here’s a not-so-fun fact: If the Democrats lose control of just seven more state legislative chambers (the five where control is split, and then both houses of one legislature they control completely), they will fall below the threshold required to block constitutional amendments.
Imagine the Republicans with a free hand to rewrite the US Constitution. That’s where we’re headed if you guys persist in refusing to acknowledge the need for new leadership and a new direction in the Democratic party.
Это курам на смех
A fifteen-year-old who just got his learner’s permit has just been handed the keys to a Bugatti Veyron. What could possibly go wrong?
Roger Moore
@dmsilev:
Just a longer-term thinker. He wants to do his best to avoid a Trump disaster, even though he knows perfectly well how slim his chances are. I think the best chance of avoiding one is that Trump discovers just how little he wants the actual work of being President and decides to pull a Sarah Palin a few months in. Of course that will give us a Mike Pence disaster instead.
Wapiti
@WereBear: We were skyping with my in-laws in Indy on Sunday. Pence was governor there for only one term, and the good people of Indiana(!) wanted to have nothing more to do with him. Could he do damage in four years? Yes, but he rubs even the right-wing the wrong way. Four years would be all he had is my guess.
Baud
Pence sucks, but I don’t think he gets people passionate about him like Donald can.
Kay
@NR:
NR, you don’t need the national democratic party to run someone for a statehouse. You need a candidate and a treasurer. People do it all the time without the “leadership” of the Democratic Party, certainly at the national level. You won’t be contacting them at all. Find a candidate and a treasurer and there you go- you’re a “leader of the Democratic Party”.
Robin G.
@Percysowner: That’s the crux of it, isn’t it? Pence would be the worst president we’ve ever had, but Trump is literally an existential risk for the country and the world. God forgive us, I think we’d be better with Pence.
Major Major Major Major
Remember when libraries would put up signs saying THE F.B.I. HAS NOT BEEN HERE TODAY since they weren’t allowed to tell anybody when they’d been served under Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act, but they could technically just take the sign down if it ceased to be true?
Innocent days, those.
Partisan Cheese
Anyone going to talk about Keith Ellison potentially leading the DNC, or does that fly in the face of your guys theories that Sanders supporters are only bros who don’t support people of color?
I love when a low level DNC staffer stood up to Donna Brazile last week, people here were like, poor black woman getting shouted down by a white dude. Ah no, it was a low level staffer who no one bothered to know what his last name was, standing up to the incompetent head of the DNC. But then I guess identity politics means that she will always be the victim, even when she is the top dog, and Zach, who still no one cares to know what his last name is, always the dominant male asshole.
This type of thinking of everything having to be diluted down to identity issues, and not basing things on what is wrong and right, is the epistemic closure here. Hillary Clinton cannot be considered a bad candidate, you are just a sexist bernie bro. Basically, sticking your fingers in your ears, hostile to any outside suggestion.
Mnemosyne
@WereBear:
Yep. Trump will kill and injure people without really thinking about it. Pence will do it because suffering is good for their souls.
MobiusKlein
For all the blame Dems are shoveling at each other, at least we’re not the party that nominated Dr Orange.
Ben Cisco
@Wapiti: Problem is, with the collection of protoplasmic waste surrounding them (and with another 4,000 drones left to hire), four years may well be more than enough.
Baud
@Partisan Cheese: Yeah, that whole thing was dumb.
Kay
I thought there was a lot of unacknowledged sexism in this race- it’s my opinion and people may certainly disagree but I saw it and I’m not all that subtle SO because of that I thought “fuck that, we’ll have the FBI and Wikileaks and media and who the hell knows what else allied against us, don’t add sexism as a hurdle …but, now I’ve changed my mind. It should be a woman because.. the hell with it.
Roger Moore
@NR:
They’d also need to get fewer than 2/3 in both Houses of Congress.
JPL
@Van Buren: Trump’s economic plan is Bush’s on steroids. If the price is good, you should be able to remortgage four years down the road, when the economy tanks. I assume that I’ll be able to sell my house at least five percent higher in the next year.
I’m not an economist and didn’t sleep in a Holiday Inn.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Kay: He’s getting his reboot anyway so I don’t see grounds for complaining.
gogol's wife
@Baud:
Right. He has zero charisma. The Hitler factor goes down immediately. Lots of other stuff really sucks though.
Baud
@MobiusKlein:
I’ll never wash off the moral superiority. They can’t take that away from me.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
So Trump is older than Reagan when Reagan took office and now realized the presidency is hard work and takes a lot out of officer holder.
If you listen very carefully you have almost hear GW Bush laughing with glee.
NR
@Kay: The fact that the Republicans control two-thirds of state legislatures represents a complete collapse of the Democratic party as a relevant political force on a national level. This is not a problem that’s going to be solved with local candidate recruitment.
Mnemosyne
@dmsilev:
I would pay good money to have this happen.
germy
http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
Ridnik Chrome
@Percysowner: The only good thing about President Pence is that he would likely be gone after 2020. He’d never get elected in his own right. He’d be like Gerald Ford with no redeeming qualities…
NR
@Roger Moore: Nope. Two-thirds of state legislatures can call a convention to propose amendments to the constitution. Republicans are basically there already.
NR
@germy: Boy, it would have been really bad if Bernie Sanders had lost to Donald Trump. Good thing we stopped that from happening by nominating Hillary.
Run, Lillian!
@germy: I was coming here to post this! It needs to go viral for all those out there re-litigating the primary and insisting Sanders would have won. Eichenwald burns that myth to the ground.
SenyorDave
I once had to train my replacement. My job was transferred to Charlotte, NC and I didn’t want to leave Maryland (my wife was a teacher in Montgomery County, MD and we discovered that the south doesn’t pay its teachers anything, after 15 years of teaching she would have made less in NC than a first year teacher in Maryland). He had no interest in learning anything so I showed him bare bones, we went out to lunch for 2 hours everyday and we were both happy as a clam. Maybe Obama should let him sink or swim. I will say it again, Barack Obama is a much better man than I am, or most people.
Kay
@Partisan Cheese:
I don’t think the leader of the DNC matters that much. If people are genuinely interested in running state or down-ticket candidates they don’t need the DNC blessing. I’ve been a treasurer for a statehouse candidate and no one mentioned “the DNC” nor would they. I don’t know where this comes from, the idea that the DNC is running things down to the county level. They’re just not. It isn’t in any way true. i worked for a state appeals judge race this last cycle. It would never occur to anyone to care what “the DNC” thought about it.
Ruviana
@Partisan Cheese: Dude, I have one reservation about Ellison and that’s that he already holds a seat in the HOR. I vacillate about him doing both jobs or resigning (he has a safe seat so another dem would likely be elected to replace him), because we need a real focus. If he brings it great. This is the only thing that concerns me anyway.
p.a.
@Van Buren: Calculated Risk is on it.
hovercraft
@Baud:
We are well over due a recession, and if he and the granny starver implement half of what they say they will, it should be a nice big one. That assumes Bannon doesn’t shitcan his ass from the speakership. Also too, he will simply say the recession is a result of Obama policies, and not his fault, and our liberal media will tell us that it’s only fair to give him a pass because Obama got a pass on Bush’s ‘Great Recession’. Never mind that it actually began under Shrub’s reign.
WereBear
I have mentioned before that the worst part of this, personally, is that Trump is completely unpredictable. He’s a whim on the breeze who changes his mind and has no internal consistency.
Even a Terminator at least had a purpose and knew how to stick with a decision.
Major Major Major Major
@germy: Yyyyyep.
Not gonna share that on the book of faces because the berniebros (THEY EXIST, doubters) would harass the crap out of me and I have projects to work on that might actually be more useful than a circular firing squad.
Peale
@Robin G.: I think we need to keep it as it is right now, with trump children, pence and bannon all thinking they are the most important piece.
SenyorDave
BTW, after Obama trains the idiot rapist, how long after he takes office when he and his nazi kids begin the “look what Obama did to this country”.
gogol's wife
@germy:
Great article. I think I’m going to have to subscribe to Newsweek.
Archon
The fact that exit polls showed people thought Clinton was more corrupt then Donald Trump, a man currently trying to postpone a court date for his fraud trial shows a major and unmitigated fail by the Clinton campaign, her surrogates and the media.
germy
@NR: But if Bernie got the democratic nomination, would we get to hear all your ideas after he lost in a landslide?
Let’s hear some more of your great ideas and opinions.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Kay: But, the Narrative !
Kay
@NR:
It doesn’t work like that It isn’t a national company with state affliates. State parties aren’t subordinate to or created by the Party headquarters in DC. It’s not a corporation and Ellison won’t be the CEO. It’s not like he sets a vision and then Alabama says “okay, get to work, county parties-execute!”
Mike in NC
Got a package today from my brother in Boston, along with a note that read “Greetings from Grassachusetts”. Will share with Thanksgiving company, but will need a monthly resupply to make it through the looming Trumpocalypse.
Mnemosyne
@Partisan Cheese:
Sanders and his WATB brigade lost us the election with their antics.
We’re supposed to keep catering to you why, again?
NR
@germy: I don’t know what would have happened in that hypothetical election and neither do you. But we both know what happened in the actual election, and it was YOUR “great ideas” that were proven spectacularly wrong, not mine.
Cacti
@Partisan Cheese:
What’s Killer Mike up to these days?
Maybe he can be DNC chair.
SenyorDave
Does anyone, even his supporters, seriously believe that Trump couldn’t con Bernie in a second? I think Obama is one of the few American politicians that Trump wouldn’t roll over on easily. Now foreign politicians are different story.
germy
@Kay:
In other words, NR doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.
Hal
Holy fuck. If I see one more butt hurt post on Facebook from a Trump supporter. People seem genuinely shocked their unhinged, racist, misogynist orange asshole of a president isn’t getting the love and respect he deserves.
The crowd so apt to scream “the constitution!!” thinks people should just shut the fuck up and let them enjoy this white supremacist homecoming.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
If we’re going to take back statehouses, it can ONLY be solved with local candidate recruitment. Where the fuck do you think statehouse candidates come from? The Candidate Fairy doesn’t drop them off from the DNC, dumbfuck.
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
That’s part of the problem, he actually cares about the country, no matter how hard we keep trying to fuck him, he keeps trying to make it better for us. He gives us healthcare, but it’s not the magic pony ‘single payer’ we want so we punish him by not voting in 2010. He gets reelected and can’t pass immigration reform because the republicans and conservadems like Manchin and his ilk baulk, so we reward him by giving him the lowest turnout in decades in 2014. The republicans block him at every point, even going so far as to refuse to consider his supreme court nominee, so we stay home or vote third party to show him what our priorities are. So now instead of just telling us all to go fuck ourselves, he’s willing to show this ignorant piece of shit the ropes, so that he doesn’t completely destroy us inadvertently, his policies will do that with much more deliberation. We’ve never deserved him.
Roger Moore
@hovercraft:
And you’ll see how little power the media truly has to remake reality. They may tell everyone that it’s all Obama’s fault, but people generally blame the current president rather than the previous one, even when it really is the previous president’s fault.
NR
@Mnemosyne: Oh, are we back to blaming Bernie Sanders now? This morning it was Russian hackers. Yesterday it was racists.
The mental gymnastics you’re doing to avoid having to admit you were wrong and take a good hard look at your assumptions is really something to behold.
Kay
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap:
The idea that Donna Brazille is the problem seems insane to me. She’s not relevant in any way to statehouse races.
You can dislike her or think she’s a bad choice but she doesn’t have anything to do with losing statehouses.
They could provide funding to state parties but they’re not going to be sitting in DC managing statehouse races all over the country- the approach would be wildly different depending on the state, for one thing.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: Well that’s going on the to-read list.
MomSense
@Kay:
At this point though why would anyone want to seek any elected office?
Central Planning
From Rude Pundit’s blog series about the election, part 4:
He brings up some good points. Basically, stop worrying about the hurt feelings of angry whites. They aren’t going to change their mind and vote for a Democrat anyway.
NR
@Kay: The national message and opinion of the party absolutely does matter for state races. Or do you think that the Democrats lost control of so many state legislatures because of some freak coincidence that resulted in several thousand local candidate malfunctions at the same time? That’s absurd.
Matt McIrvin
@dmsilev: Obama is a patriot. He’s trying to save his country from destruction even if it means helping people who will destroy everything he ever worked to accomplish.
MomSense
@Mnemosyne:
I was just going to post the same article. I think our hobby horses are twins.
Cacti
@Kay:
Brazille was a placeholder after the head of she-devil Wasserman-Schultz was delivered to Bernie as a condition for his “support” of the Democratic candidate.
Mike E
@Timurid: the blacks love him!
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Kay: NR is simply ignorant of how real politics works, like most Sanders supporters.
brendancalling
Well, I think we can game things out from here.
Much of this is swiped from my pal Bill Hangley (Bill you on here? I’m about to swipe your line).
We already know Trump doesn’t want to work, doesn’t want to stay in DC, and has no interest in policy. He has said as much. The Orange Shitstain wants to wave at crowds, be adored, and yell about people he doesn’t like. He basically wants to be a figurehead. The actual policy work will be done by Bannon, Pence, and Ryan: why do you think Zombie-eyes is talking about phasing out Medicare in 2017?
whether the job eats him alive, as the twitter person says, is irrelevant. Trump’s job is to be a distraction. That is it.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
You think local candidates are picked by the national Democratic Party. I’m still laughing at that one.
You know what the Teabaggers did to gain control of their party? After 2008, they all ran out and became Precinct Captains for their local Republican Party. Because THAT’S HOW IT FUCKING WORKS, YOU DUMBFUCK.
Boussinesque
@NR: if the Democratic Party is not a national force anymore, and recruiting local candidates is not the solution, then what, pray tell, is?
SenyorDave
@Central Planning: Anyone who thinks they are WWC is beyond redemption without a lot of bribery. DNC should focus on outreach and registration. The WWC in OH, MI, etc. is butthurt that they have to compete with POC working class, they don’t go to the head of the line anymore. Fuck them, they can reap what they’ve sown.
Read up about Elkhart, Indiana if you want to see WWC at its worse. A pity we had to waste money on those ungrateful sacks of crap. I do feel for the children to have parents that stupid.
Tripod
Unfit for office.
Major Major Major Major
@MomSense: Most good horses are line-bred.
Kay
@NR:
The way they could be helpful is to narrow and pick among the states- so look for a stronger state Party combined with a close legislative majority – a state they can help flip. The people in the state won’t know where they rank among the states as more or less likely to flip. That’s where the national view could be helpful- not messaging or ideology.
The Fat Kate Middleton
@Archon: How about, instead of it being a fail by the Democratic Party, it falls on the uninformed American voter? My daughter-in-law told me Saturday that at least three of her friends said they just didn’t know who to vote for, and when they went into the voting booth, they just picked Trump … because. She asked them if they had read anything, on the internet or in their local newspaper, or even watched any TV news, or maybe even a debate? No and no … because. Jesus, I just can’t even …
NR
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: I clearly understand politics much better than you lot, since you’re clamoring to double down on a strategy and leadership that’s been a proven failure for several years now.
Patricia Kayden
Trump won’t have any problems finding 4,000 White Supremacists. He just has to rely on Bannon to find them quickly.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Wapiti: One of the conservatives I talk to actually gasped in horror when I pointed out Trump is easily impeachable by his enemies in the GOP with all the scandals hanging over him and that means President Peance.
So, if it had to happen, at lest it’s dumb and dumber and not third coming of the Bush clan. It could be so much worse.
NR
@Mnemosyne:
I never said that. The fact that you have to lie and make up shit I didn’t say is really sad.
Major Major Major Major
Hey everybody, guess what 20% of this thread is? A TROLL AND YOU TALKING TO THE TROLL
STOP TALKING TO THE TROLL
Patricia Kayden
@Tripod: Shame that 59 million Americans couldn’t see that and now we’re stuck on a fast-moving bus with Trump at the car wheel and his minions egging him on. What possibly could go wrong?
hovercraft
@Hal:
The media told us in every single story about Clinton that she was unpopular, untrustworthy and e-mails. Even though Trump was even more unpopular, they rarely mentioned it except when the linked the two, plus these morons don’t trust the dishonest liberal media, so they probably only watch FOX where he was seen as the second coming. Most of us didn’t vote for him, so it shouldn’t be a shock that we don’t like him.
Mnemosyne
@Boussinesque:
He wants us to drop civil rights and abortion rights from the Democratic Party platform, but he promises that they’ll totally pick them back up again at some unspecified future date when all of the working class whites have flocked back to the Democrats.
Basically, he wants to revert back to pre-Voting Rights Act America when neither party gave a shit about anyone other than white voters.
Major Major Major Major
@Patricia Kayden: Hell, given his ‘unfit for office’ polling numbers, at least some of the people who voted FOR him thought he was unfit.
Kay
@Cacti:
We had a Lefty labor candidate here in 2011, I wrote about it here on this blog. I can’t imagine wondering if DWS would approve or disapprove- no one contacted her for permission I didn’t get summoned to headquarters or anything
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@dmsilev: There is a certain measure of sweet revenge walking the innocent who attacked you about the hell that they are going to experience because you’re such a nice guy.
Emma
@Partisan Cheese: My general answer to moaning Myrtles from now on is “eff off.”
ArchTeryx
Since I actually got a lot of good feedback from my primal-scream delurking, I may as well fully introduce myself.
Archibald K. Mirenopteryx, or ArchTeryx to my friends. One of those evil, perverted, awful furries and have been for 25 years (and, to quote Ernie Hudson, I have indeed seen shit that would turn you white, but I’ve also gotten more support and care from my fanmates then from any fraternity). The moniker is based on an old 1980s cartoon series called Dinosaucers. It had a very, very tongue-in-cheek approach and never took itself seriously. It also had a true rara avis – an intelligent, competent female character who was second in command of the Good Guys. I like intelligent, independent women. Always have. Always will. It’s why I picked the fiancee I did, despite the incredible amount of shit I had to deflect for courting a “fat, poor woman with no future”. They can all fuck a polka-dotted weasel-squeezing duck; I love her and she loves me, and that’s all I care about.
In the Real World, I’ve a Ph.D. in molecular virology, with a specialty in retroviruses (like HIV) and RNA viruses (like Zika). I had the poor luck to be graduating when the job market for bioscience crashed to Depression levels in the 1990s, and has never recovered. Each recession, the hole gets deeper and the oversupply of Ph.D.s gets bigger. And now we have one of the most anti-science federal governments in our entire 240-odd year history running the show.
I feel that my country has betrayed me on many, many levels. It certainly has made it abundantly clear that all I am good for is surplus population, since I have permanent colitis and no large intestine (J-pouch recipient). Bitter? Me? As bitter as a dinosaur-hawk can be. In that, I fit perfectly in these parts.
I wish I were a more active poster, but my one source of income, poor as it is, is private tutoring, which means I keep odd hours, spend a ton of time in my car, and I don’t get paid vacation or breaks or niceties like that, so keeping up in a first-past-the-post thread environment is nigh impossible for me. I do my best, though, because I care about this place.
That’s about it.
Mary G
Cole’s tweets @ right:
SATSQ: uppity black woman with power who is not apologetic about it. Like the boss I had in 1980 who was perfectly clear that the only reason she got the job because they could count her twice for the EEOC. Every other person at her level was a white man praying for her to fail. I am proud to say that I had a small part in disappointing them.
Roger Moore
@brendancalling:
I think he wants more than that; I think he wants to be able to bark orders and have them followed. What he doesn’t want to do is the hard work of giving orders about boring stuff he doesn’t personally care about, or keeping himself well enough informed that he can actually give reasonable orders. IOW, he thinks being president is about spending half an hour or an hour every day making decisions and leting the peons do everything else.
MomSense
Has anyone seen differentchurchlady? She was having a tough time before the election. If you are lurking, sending my best and some big hugs to you.
Adria McDowell (formerly LurkerExtraordinaire)
I can’t with people who want to relitigate the primaries. Seriously.
NR
@Kay: But national messaging matters. The national opinion of the party matters.
Democrats gained more than 300 state legislative seats in the 2006 elections, and it wasn’t because they just happened to get lucky in states across the country simultaneously. It happened because popular opinion of the Republican party had fallen. This situation repeated itself in reverse in 2010.
You’d have to be blind to deny the national connection to state elections.
WereBear
After a long week of struggling to make sense of it all, an outline emerges.
One of the big puzzles was how Midwesterners who had voted for Obama then switched to Trump. In a logical, rational, world, this makes as much sense as bird crap ice cream. Ergo, we are not dealing with logic and rationality.
We are dealing with what they wanted to hear.
They heard Obama’s message of Hope and Change as “the big manufacturing will come back.” And when not enough of it did, during eight years of republican economic blockades, they went for Trump, who outright promised what they so desperately wanted.
Of course, they are not going to get it. No one can provide it for them. That ship has sailed, hit a reef, and has been picked clean.
The other thing we didn’t know was there is how the Fundies were told a vote for Trump was really a vote for Mike Pence, since god was going to get Trump out of the way; much like the Fundy phantasies of how long McCain would last with Caribou Barbie waiting in the wings.
Sick stuff. Completely unmoored.
Iowa Old Lady
@Adria McDowell (formerly LurkerExtraordinaire): I was just thinking the same thing. I can’t think of a bigger waste of time.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
You said we don’t need local candidate recruitment, we need the DNC. And when several of us pointed out the DNC doesn’t do local candidate recruitment, you switched to saying that the national party is hurting candidate recruitment with their evil, evil message of inclusion. Which doesn’t actually help candidate recruitment.
You’re a dumbfuck. I will now accede to Major^4’s wishes and stop talking to you before you reveal even more layers of stupidity.
Schlemazel
Nice to see the GOP FUD petrol is working overtime here trying to sew discord on the left. Do you guys work together as a team? Do you get orders from some Luntz-machine or re you free to spew bullshit of your own design? We really need to hear more about how Bernie could have saved us all & how there is just no way there can be an effective DNC chair.
You think Fear, uncertainly and doubt can last forever? Not once the trumpster fire is setting the country ablaze. You really should go back & tell your owners to fond a better field for you to plow
Patricia Kayden
@Central Planning: Exactly. What would it cost the Democratic Party to even appeal to the White working class? Would it have to stop championing civil rights for racial, sexual and religious minorities? Would it have to abandon its support for women’s reproductive rights?
Basically, it would have to morph into a Republican-lite Party which we wouldn’t recognize. Leave them to the Republican Party where they belong.
MomSense
@Major Major Major Major:
When my older kids were little we went to say hi to our neighbor who had a horse farm. Happened to walk in while of the horses was having a pregnancy exam. Woah Nellie! Kids eyes were so bugged out I thought they might fall on the ground.
Baud
@Adria McDowell (formerly LurkerExtraordinaire):
I’m still bitter.
Mnemosyne
@Patricia Kayden:
Just like Brexit, they thought they could do a consequence-free protest vote and then sulk about how they was robbed for years afterward.
Whoops!
Kay
@hovercraft:
they also held her to a much higher standard than Donald Trump. That’s not okay. It’s not her fault he’s a moron with no experience. The treatment was INEQUITABLE and worse, it was inequitable BECAUSE he’s a moron and unqualified.
That’s terrible. It’s exactly the wrong incentive and frame. The second he declared he should have been judged under the same set of rules. That’s only fair. They turned her experience and preparation into a disadvantage.
Turgidson
@Robin G.:
Better with Pence for foreign policy, maybe. Not sure about domestic policy. One very, very slim hope I have for the early days of the…next…administration (I just can’t name that bastard next to the words President or Administration, not yet) is that Trump will seek the petty retribution you know he must want against the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver and tell him to take his Vouchers For Granny Medicare Destruction Bill of 2017 and cram it up his “weak, very weak” ass.
In the end, I think Trump will sign off on whatever vile piles of destructive and cruel shit Paul Ryan presents for his signature as long as Ryan is properly obsequious and sycophantic from day to day. And as hilariously overrated an intellect as Ryan is, he’s clever enough to see this and act accordingly if it means he’ll fulfill his dream of making health care impossibly expensive for the elderly like nature intended. Fucking asshole.
On foreign policy, Trump and Pence would both be deeply destructive and terrible. Pence would be terrible because he’d bring back the merry band of neocon dipshits who still think the Iraq war was awesome sauce, and they’d feel no qualms about drumming up a war against Iran and whatever other stupidity they could think of. But he wouldn’t back out of NATO or want to use nukes in retaliation for an insult he saw on Twitter. So he gets a slight edge.
TS
1. He will outsource the job
2. He will live in NY – unless the SS tell him they cannot cover him there
3. President Obama will teach him nothing because he won’t turn up for the lessons – he will try & send a surrogate.
4. He will still run his business interests which will be paid early and often by all branches of government
…
…
99. I am still p!ssed that so many think he can be President
100. I still blame the media who are now attempting to make him a legitimate President. Which media? All of them Katie
Patricia Kayden
@WereBear:
I wonder if it wasn’t more of a case of former Obama voters simply staying home and not voting at all. And perhaps Trump and his team were right about angry White voters coming out of the woodwork to vote for Trump although they had never voted before. It’s just hard to fathom that anyone who voted for President Obama would even be remotely attracted to someone like Trump.
NR
@Mnemosyne: I said the problem is bigger than local candidate recruitment. Which it clearly is, and which is different from what you claimed I said.
Only a complete idiot could think that several years of sustained losses in states across the country is the result of local candidate recruitment issues.
Major Major Major Major
@Schlemazel: the ruble is in the toilet and not going anywhere so NR et al. is here to stay.
ChrisGrrr
@Kay: Concur. I worked on Dem campaign for the House seat when Weldon left. It was rare for the state party or DCCC to even return a phone call.
Laura on Kaua'i
@Matt McIrvin: Yes, Obama is a patriot. But forever and always he will also always be the one who has the goods on how truly stupid and unprepared Dollhands is/was. That info can be held over the idiot’s head, or deployed whenever necessary.
Patricia Kayden
@Major Major Major Major: And still voted for him. Now ain’t that a b^tch?
TS
@Timurid:
He won’t even turn up to hear the advice.
MomSense
@ArchTeryx:
We are mostly pro furries here. Our bigotry is mostly reserved for clowns because they are terrifying.
Glad you are here as much or as little as you can.
hovercraft
@ArchTeryx:
Again, welcome to our little pond of piranhas, I kid, we are a sweet bunch of minnows.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
Someone check this fool’s IP address, it’s probably from Macedonia.
Gravenstone
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Coulda stopped after the fourth word. And it revels in demonstrating that ignorance all fucking day long.
NR
@Schlemazel: You guys want to double down on the strategy and party leadership that has resulted in years of sustained losses for the Democratic party and consigned it to basically becoming a regional party confined to the northeast and the west coast.
I want the party to change and improve so it can actually compete with the Republicans again.
But somehow, I’m the secret Republican.
Right. Makes perfect sense.
Adria McDowell (formerly LurkerExtraordinaire)
@ArchTeryx: Welcome, fuck you (which I guess is the customary greeting ’round these parts, so please don’t take it to heart), and we will need your expertise to counteract the anti-vaxxers when Dr. Jill Stein heads the National Institutes of Health under the Cantaloupe Caligula (thanks, efgoldman!).
And now it’s time for your blood stripes….
Schlemazel
@Major Major Major Major:
I can’t wrap my head around someone getting pleasure out of being this much of a moronic asshole. I assume they must be getting paid, a normal person wold have given up by now
Mnemosyne
@Kay:
Yep. Since it was bad for Hillary to be ambitious and want to be president, therefore it was good for Trump to run basically on impulse with no plan whatsoever other than hating people. Same diff, amirite?
schrodinger's cat
Sorry guys I haven’t done any movie reviews, I have been kinda sick since we moved. For this weekend I was thinking of a DS9 episode. I am going to rewatch the series. Do you have episodes that are your favorites?
Kay
@hovercraft:
This is also my own personal opinion but I’m middle aged and I’ve been working as a woman a long time.
Women are held to higher ethical standards than men are at work. That happened with Clinton and Trump. She was held to such a higher standard she was deemed responsible for her husband’s ethical failures. Trump wasn’t even held responsible for his own.
I figure we can explore all this at some point in the future when another woman runs, like how all pundits discovered racism midway thru Obama’s first term. I look forward to it.
Major Major Major Major
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: the saddest thing is, NR probably does it for free, lives in the US, and just enjoys causing misery because he’s not allowed to wield any power in his real life. He comes home, kicks the dog, and stirs shit here.
Perfect Tommy
Don’t know if folks are aware of this but there is a Senate seat in Louisiana that is being voted on Dec 10th.
Foster Campbell 2016
One final shot to flip a seat.
Gravenstone
@Boussinesque: Whining on lower tier political blogs and parading one’s unimpeachable brogressive bona fides, apparently.
Schlemazel
@ArchTeryx:
In case nobody here has given you a proper welcome aboard let me just say fuck you & the horse you rode in on. This place has been a help to me & I hope it will be the same to you.
Major Major Major Major
@Gravenstone: hey, we’re low mid-tier!
Gelfling 545
@Timurid: I don’t think he despises the President. I think he envies him and is lashing out because he will never a hieve the same stature and when Donald can’t get what he wants, things get ugly.
Gravenstone
@Major Major Major Major: Unfortunately troll-be-gone isn’t on my tablet. So I’ve lowered myself to sneering at the poor delusional moron. Entertainment of a fashion.
WereBear
@Patricia Kayden: That is indeed what puzzled me. But from what I have read, Trump didn’t find any new voters. He got less than what Romney managed.
And there were people, like that “I am a Muslim who voted for Trump” woman, who said she voted for Obama in those elections. But she was angry that President Obama wasn’t handling terrorism the way she wanted, that the jobs hadn’t yet come back, that she couldn’t afford Obamacare.
Of course, everything she wanted was either nonsensical to me, or blocked by republicans. She couldn’t seem to figure that one out.
So they are out there. And they don’t make any sense.
Major Major Major Major
@Gelfling 545: if he’s as paranoid and over his head as he’s starting to sound maybe he’ll ask obama to stay on and run things but just not tell anybody.
Baud
@ArchTeryx: Greetings. I am Baud.
Woodrowfan
@schrodinger’s cat: “Our Man Bashir” is fun. “Sacrifice of Angels” is exciting.
Mnemosyne
@Major Major Major Major:
Weren’t we just under the top 10,000 of political blogs or something like that?
Villago Delenda Est
@germy: NR never knows what he’s talking about, ever.
Lurking Canadian
@Patricia Kayden: Trump got fewer overall votes than Romney. White people may have come out of the woodwork to vote for him, but for each new vote he got, a Romney voter either stayed home or voted for Johnson.
Villago Delenda Est
@schrodinger’s cat: “In the Pale Moonlight”. Best DS9 episode, ever.
mdblanche
Relevant.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: this sort of thing is very difficult to measure but I believe we’re quite a bit higher. I have a rudimentary list of all the internet on my laptop, I’ll check when I get on the train.
jacy
@Perfect Tommy:
Also, Mayor-President of Baton Rouge (I know, stupid title, but there you are.) This runoff features a Black female Democrat and an old white Republican man. She has the slight edge, but it’s GOTV that counts.
http://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_4870488e-a844-11e6-80e6-2b97b95c6aac.html
NR
@Villago Delenda Est: You guys are funny.
MomSense
@schrodinger’s cat:
I’ve been meaning to watch. I watched all the next gen many times but I never watched DS9. I can’t quite remember when the show came out but I think life was demanding and I missed it.
Sorry to hear you aren’t feeling well. The stress of this week doesn’t help. Hugs.
gene108
@NR:
The New Yorker magazine had an article from 2011, which looked at the 2010 election. Basically, Ed Gillespie and a few other Republican operatives set about weaponizing the CU decision to flood down ballot races, with heavy advertising the incumbent Democrats never expected; they did not have the resaources to respond.
Democrats, at a very basic level, care about how the game of American democracy is played, as much or more than just winning.
Republicans just care about winning. Period.
It’s not a coincidence that the Republican rise coincides with the CU decision, voter ID laws, and the gutting of the VRA.
JMG
Trump isn’t quire sure what he wants to do. He has no idea how to do it. Except for that, he’ll get off to a flying start. Ryan is trying to use Trump’s ignorance as his bliss by pushing Medicare elimination through Congress before Trump figures out how bad that’d be for Trump. These are bad people with the worst of intentions. All we’ve got on our side is the possibility of unified resistance (please, gang, stop re-litigating the 2016 election. It was a close, indeed, reverse loss. Any cause you give it is both right and incomplete) and the unreal incompetence of those we’re fighting. If we get the first, the second will be a powerful ally.
jk
@Kay:
Trump’s treatment by the media should go down as the worst case of journalistic malpractice of all-time. I hope there’s a special corner of Hell reserved for all of the scumbags on CNN that normalized this putrid, raving neanderthal.
Woodrowfan
@Villago Delenda Est: oh yes, “In the Pale Moonlight” is one of the all-time great Star Trek episode,s not just DS9. Garak was great!
ArchTeryx
@Adria McDowell (formerly LurkerExtraordinaire): Hey, I’m already well and truly fucked. A few more fucks to give might actually help me, so I welcome your ‘fuck you’ to my collection. Awk!
TS
@Major Major Major Major:
About the only thing worse than Trump is a dog damned troll that loves him some Trump putting his sh!t all over the thread.
Felonius Monk
@NR: Everything you’ve said here about the DNC shows your ignorance about the function and working of the DNC. I suggest you go off in a corner and get yourself some facts and accurate information so you don’t continue to look and sound like an idiot.
And yes, Keith Ellison would be a great choice to head the DNC as long as he resigns his congressional seat. DWS already proved you can’t do both jobs.
ArchTeryx
@Baud: And if you’d run a better campaign we wouldn’t be in this fix, you bastard. {snark off}
ArchTeryx
@Schlemazel: @MomSense: Well, that’s good to know! I promise I won’t bring too much perversion to the threads, other then complaining about Trump and counting down the days before I lose health care. That’s perversion enough for anyone.
dogwood
@Partisan Cheese:
The people whose number one priority is the DNC should make it their cause and work on that issue with like minded people. Organize it. Find a chairman who actually wants the job. No one is stopping you.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: http://www.balloon-juice.com is the 22,799th highest-ranked website, in terms of American visitors. That’s of all websites.
SFAW
@schrodinger’s cat:
I hear this relatively-new film, Shichinin no samurai, has “potenshuh” (h/t Richard Pryor). I think it has an anime or hentai sensibility (not that I have any idea what either of those are). Pair it with another one — I think it’s set in Philly, sounds like it might be a Stallone/Rocky-era homage — called “Yo! Jimbo!!” and you have an East-meets-West double-feature.
TS
@ArchTeryx: Many thanks for the outline – lots of folks post on BJ at odd hours – especially lately when not much sleeping is happening – so look forward to reading more.
MomSense
@ArchTeryx:
Counting down to losing insurance is obscene but not in the good way.
debbie
@schrodinger’s cat:
DS9 was my favorite! I don’t remember the name of the episode, but it was the one where Dax and Worf were planning a trip to the pleasure planet, and she’s trying to talk him into wearing a Speedo. His reaction was priceless!
OGLiberal
@The Fat Kate Middleton: First of all, these people are morons. Period. Don’t even vote. I’m all for more people voting but in an election like this, in any presidential election these days where the differences are so stark if you are deciding in the booth, stay the fuck home.
Second, Daddy. When clueless people are unsure and nervous they turn Daddy, not Mommy. Trump was the most well known person with a (albeit, small) penis on the ballot so these idiots voted for him.
Sadly, I don’t think this is uncommon.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Not just the ‘bots. Remember when Maddow asked the old fool himself how he was gonna get Free College past the Republican Congress? “Look out the window, Mitch”. Remember when she asked him about down ticket races? “We’ll see”
NR
@gene108: Sure, all of that stuff played a part for sure. But it wouldn’t have proved decisive if the national opinion of the Democratic party hadn’t opened the door for it in the first place. Money isn’t everything in politics. Look at how much Hillary outspent Trump by.
WereBear
Rude Pundit tells an amazing story:
Okay. Tell me again we need to woo those precious white working class voters.
hovercraft
@Kay:
I agree, the old Ginger Rogers line about in heels and backwards is still true, and as a black kid you are told from the day you can speak that you will have to work twice as hard to get half as far. My biggest disappointment was the number of women reporters that jumped in on the attack. Very few of them were willing to speak up against their brethren. Madeline Albright caught a lot of flack for her “women who don’t support other women deserve a special place in hell comment,” but I agree with her. I’m not saying you had to support her simply because she was a woman, but they should have stood up for her against the double standard she was held to. Oh well, I hope the Andrea Mitchells of the world are sleeping well. Oh who the hell am I kidding, people like that don’t have a conscience.
Boussinesque
@Woodrowfan: I’ll have to see if I can dig that one up–back when I had disposable income, I picked up the Babylon 5 collections first, with the intent of getting some DS9 later. Reality had other plans, unfortunately…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
to say nothing of the first blackety-black man in the White House
NR
@Felonius Monk: How about you point out exactly what, specifically, I’ve said here that’s wrong. With quotes, since you people love to make up things I didn’t say.
This ought to be good.
TS
@Kay:
Billy Bush was held responsible for Trump’s ethical failures – the former lost his job – Trump was promoted.
Mnemosyne
@gene108:
And yet some people like to pretend that it is, because it gives them an excuse to try and gut our party’s platform of inclusion.
MomSense
@WereBear:
I have had similar conversations. I know that type well.
ArchTeryx
@WereBear: I have zero fucks to give to people like that. They deserve exactly what they’ll get from Republicans – bupkiss. The trouble is, the rest of us who know better will get the same deal, and it will cost our lives, too.
Mophene
What the hell. Remedial CIC in ten easy lessons.
NR
@Mnemosyne: No one wants to do that, but keep whacking away at that straw man!
Mnemosyne
@WereBear:
And then, later that night, she brought a pie to the back window of the jail.
ThresherK
@schrodinger’s cat: I know a lot of people are suggesting “In The Pale Moonlight”.
That phrase means only one thing to the disaster junkies among us .
But I do vaguely remember the DS9 episode and now I want to rewatch it.
Emerald
@Central Planning:
Saw a post somewhere today saying that Clinton lost the WWC for all the right reasons: She supported the Black Lives Matter movement; she wanted common sense regulations on guns; she supported the Dreamers and had sympathy for illegal families; she supported Muslims. All toxic to the WWC.
So yeah. I don’t blame her. I blame them and I think we can forget about trying to get their votes in the future. Write ’em off and concentrate on getting people in the new demographics legally registered and to the polls with whatever insane ID requirements Kobach comes up with.
Schlemazel
@WereBear:
I was a bit upset that she really wants to live in a police state where saying unpopular things meant the police had every right to surveil you and everyone you come in contact with. She didn’t seem capable of understanding what that would mean
hovercraft
@WereBear:
This was the story in Kentucky last year during the governors race, person after person said how much they loved Kynect and hated Obama and Obamacare, Bevin like Shitgibbon told them he would repeal their healthcare, but they voted for them anyway. When asked why many of them said they didn’t believe them when they said it. So when the fucking media tells us that people don’t trust politicians because they lie, they are full of shit, Bevin’s and Shitgibbons fans like them because they hate the same people they do, they know they are lying sacks of shit, but still vote for them because they have the same enemies list. If they get screwed, so what, the people they hate most will be screwed worse. Win.
Schlemazel
@NR:
you, however, are not. That shouldn’t come as a surprise since the list of things you are not, correct, smart, witty, (I could go on by it is you, why bother?) is very long & comprehensive
Roger Moore
@OGLiberal:
It’s not necessarily daddy in a literal sense, though; they turn to the daddy party rather than the mommy party. It’s when there’s a gigantic mess to clean up that they turn to the mommy party.
Schlemazel
get out!
Major Major Major Major
@NR: As Kurt Vonnegut so eloquently wrote:
Why don’t you go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut?
Why don’t you go take a flying fuck at the moooon??
Emma
@ArchTeryx: Whoa. Perversion is our middle name here!
SgrAstar
@TS:
Of course he’ll turn up. What greater ego stroke than to be attended by a sitting President? Especially one he has insulted for years? He thinks it’s a total win for him. What he can’t understand is that physical proximity to PBO makes him look like the fat, stupid fuck he really is.
Major Major Major Major
Everything Donald Trump touches turns to shit, except NR. He already was.
Emerald
@efgoldman:
THERE it is!! I’ve been looking for the best epithet. Although “Putin’s Puto” seems apt as well.
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
Well said 4X.
NR
I see a lot of schoolyard insults and no refutation of my points.
Pretty typical for around here, sadly.
Major Major Major Major
@NR: by all means, find somewhere else where people properly appreciate your towering intellect.
Major Major Major Major
@NR: I mean it must take an amazing amount of work to turn on that big brain of yours every day when you come here to try and dazzle us only to sadly throw pearls before swine. With all that time you could have written a book!
You know, really laid out your thesis and tried to get this party you love so much back on the right track! Surely a man of your stature has a bigger and better audience to reach than US.
WereBear
@Schlemazel: I was not impressed with her understanding of anything discussed in the article. She seemed to get so much wrong from my point of view.
Emerald
@TS:
I think Orange Caligula actually might turn up for the advice. I think Obama has charmed his socks off as only Obama can do, and I think OC is a bit scared of what he’s gotten himself into.
Obama knows that con artists are highly susceptible to cons run on them. He’s smart enough to be able to manipulate trump to some extent. Maybe even to save health care and some other worthy achievements.
Problem is, as somebody here pointed out, trump takes the advice of the last person who talks to him. So Obama better try to be in the room when trump signs his name to stuff. Guidance, and all that.
J R in WV
@Archon:
The mass media was and IS in the tank for the Republicans. I’m not sure why. The math shows that rich people make more money under Democratic administrations than under Republican administrations, ever since 1932 when FDR was elected.
Probably before that as well, but the data isn’t there to support it.
Anyone can look it up in any resource that reports on financial data, most of them relate financial results to political terms, but it isn’t rocket science to do that yourself. And it isn’t true just for the well-to-do, everyone makes more money and lives better during Dem administrations than under Rep terms.
But somehow the right-wing nuts seem to be able to confuse prosperity and immoral hatred. Why media organizations seem to fall for this BS is beyond me, and I grew up in the news media world. But there are always suckers out there, and many of them get promoted because of their suave and debonair presentation…
Major Major Major Major
@J R in WV: some of the most credulous people I’ve ever met have been journalists.
tybee
@ArchTeryx:
welcome. you’ll fit right in here.
WaterGirl
@Perfect Tommy: What is the split in the senate after elections last Tuesday? I can’t bear to google for fear of what else I will see out there. Does the senate seat in Louisiana currently belong to a democrat or a republican? Because if it’s currently republican, that could increase our number of senate seats by 2. If it’s currently held by a democrat and we don’t keep the seat, then we would lose one seat but their difference would increase by 2 in their favor.
SiubhanDuinne
@Enhanced Voting Techinques:
I’m not wishing ill on anybody – honest, I’m not! — but I feel obliged to note that Donald Trump’s father died of complications from Alzheimer’s, and Alzheimer’s has certain hereditary implications. Truly, I loathe the man, but I don’t wish that particular disease on anyone. I’m just sayinisall.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Roland Lazaro? Christ, it’s been 40 years since I read it.
ETA: Shit, looks like I combined two characters’ names.
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
How about a dose, then?
[I’m assuming you’re old enough to remember what people got “a dose of,” young lady.]
Shana
@brendancalling: Sorry if someone else has already posted this, I haven’t read the whole thread, but Trump is Zaphod Beeblebrox.
jenn
@Perfect Tommy: THANK YOU!!!! Why is there so much troll feeding, and no comments that we could help get another Democrat into the Senate in a little less than a month?! We want to do something useful? Let’s start here!
SFAW
@J R in WV:
My belief is it’s because the Rethugs and other wingnuts were screaming loudly about the “Lie-brul media” for so long, that the MSM thought they could get the screaming to stop if they stopped pointing out how fucking un-American the Rethugs are. I other words, the Rethugs were working the refs for 30-odd years, and they got the result they desired.
Barbara
@SFAW: Let me be blunt. I don’t wish this disease on the rest of us. It would make a dreadful situation more likely than it already is to be catastrophic.
SFAW
@Barbara:
If you’re talking about Alzheimer’s: me either.
That’s not what “a dose” referred to.
Dadadadadadada
@NR: Yeah, it’s a problem that will be solved with self-righteous kibbitzing. You’re doing a great job.
Villago Delenda Est
@J R in WV: Looking at Brian Williams, there. Also the moran known as Wolf Blitzer.
Villago Delenda Est
@SFAW: Are you thinking that perhaps Donald did not escape “his Vietnam” unscathed and is in the third stage of the dose?
SFAW
@Villago Delenda Est:
Well, that particular situation had not occurred to me, but you obviously got the “dose” comment.
I wonder if he got a Purple Part from “his Vietnam” combat.
chopper
@hovercraft:
QFT.
Smitty
Stop! We lost! It’s a fool’s errand to look for excuses. Reasons, however are not too difficult to find. We did not count the exurban knuckleheads. We forgot that Trump’s TV show was so popular. We knew that people routinely vote against their best interests,etc.,etc.,etc. The question is how do we proceed. Trump-Barnum thinks that he is a street fighter, throwing sand in the eyes of his opponents. Dirty fighting, but justified somehow. He must be exposed as an A- list wannabe. Continual, relentless mockery is called for. Jump on the Donald. Stomp on Melania. Dine out on Barron. You get the idea. He is in this for the ego, the aggrandizement. Let the Donald know that the longer he is in the public eye the more ridiculous he will appear to be.
notanevillawyer
You know if people are interested in taking back state houses and governors you can go to your local democrat county party meetings. Most of them are on facebook or have websites. Unless you live in an extremely rural area, this is a great way to know what goes on at a local level. For example my local Dems got the AG in the county in a very tight race.
Monala
@schrodinger’s cat: here are a few of my favorite DS9 episodes:
1) Hippocratic Oath: in which Dr. Bashir and Chief O’Brien are kidnapped by rogue Jem’Hadar, who want them to create an antidote to the substance that the shapeshifters use to control them. It was a really good episode of exploring class/career differences among the crew: Bashir, the doctor who wants to help, and O’Brien, the military man who came up from the ranks who refuses.
2) Distant Voices: Julian’s 30th birthday. He goes through some mind-altering experiences. Pretty funny.
3) Take Me Out to the Holosuite: In which Sisko’s Starfleet Academy rival, who is a Vulcan, challenges the DS9 crew to a game of baseball. None of them know how to play baseball except Sisko, Penny and Jake, so they have a hilarious time trying to teach them.
4) Far Beyond the Stars: Sisko is a 1950s sci-fi writer fighting against discrimination. The DS9 adventure is one of his stories, one that outrages people around him because it portrays people of color and women in leadership positions. Excellent episode, but on second thought, I might not recommend watching it right now. Too heartbreaking.
Uncle Cosmo
@WereBear: I have often quoted this one-line poem by my Perfect Master & Hero Of The Zeitgeist as the most succinct summation of the terrorist mind:
Little did I know it would be even more appropriate for the Talibangelical Far-Wrong of this nation in 2016. :(