By and large, fuck no. Figure out what is wrong here:
We’ll give the NY Times a “D” for effort:
Only the Guardian passes the test:
We are so well and truly fucked.
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It’s so goddamn amazing how the media can declare “NEVER AGAIN!” then proceed to get lead around by the nose by Trump yet again for the 146th time in a 24 hour period.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
What’s wrong with these people? The incoming fucking president just settled a fraud suit for $25,000,000, and this isn’t any kind of a story? I watched MSNBC last night, and I know people love to dump on MSNBC, ’cause, they’re full of dirty fucking hippies and all, but all three shows from 8:00 on had this as one of their biggest stories of the night. They led with a confederate asshole being named to be attorney general, but they covered it, big league, as the fraudster might say. Who the fuck is at the wheel at the papers, though?
So who controls the layouts at these papers? Do they have names to shame?
I love the picture in the Guardian. Everybody behind Trump is going: “Shit, What did he just say??!!”
Their managers have told them what to do and they’re doing it. These are businesses after all. The only thing I’m wondering about is why all these liberal friends of mine are sending around pleas to save the NYT. I suppose just gliding on old brand impressions is easier than giving a shit.
He’s going to pay it from campaign contributions, isn’t he? I’m sure he can claim it’s a campaign expense to improve his reputation by avoiding a court appearance.
Media balance is not a suicide pact.
I love his Tweet that the theater should be a safe space. Has he not been to Blue Man?
Major Major Major Major
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
I’m pretty sure people here love to dump on MSNBC for the exact opposite.
@Major Major Major Major:
The 8-11 hour is decent enough. The rest of it blows.
Nothing. This is fine.
@debbie: I haven’t.
And don’t forget about emails.
I’m with you. The NYT’s 20+ years of promoting false claims and bogus scandals against the Clintons is what made all the rest of it possible. I would love to see the whole “paper of record” thing go away.
Trump has pushed the needle so far into the red that Mitt “48%” Romney is now seen as a sign of Trump’s moderation.
Putting to rest the persistent excuse they they are only chasing sensation as they have always done.
Except it is only when it is on a particular side.
He’s going to do whatever he wants, he isn’t going to tell anyone, and no one is going to make him do otherwise.
The reaction of the entire press/media has been, “Well, during the campaign he told us to fuck off. He won, so I guess we have to fuck off.”
@WereBear: What saddens me is that too many on our side buy into it.
WaPo at least had articles in their Politics and Education sections that led, respectively:
That’s something, at least. Pity the front page editors didn’t decide to more prominently display their own reporting.
@permafrost: I now tell those friends I choose to support the Washington Post, because while they weren’t fabulous by any stretch, they at least did some original investigative reporting.
Media: But Mr. Ttttrrrruuuummmppp! You promised us! Tell us where the money is coming from.
Media: Oh, ok. But next time do we still have to ask questions from this dog kennel?
Media: But that’s not fai-…oh, ok we guess.
Trump: Now repeat this PR statement I give.
Media: Oh! You have a statement for us! YAY!!
@PatrickG: I’m thinking of subscribing for just that reason.
1. Republicans don’t believe in safe spaces
2. Real theater is challenging, not safe
3. NO SAFE SPACES FOR FASCISTS.
@debbie: or Gallagher?
@Baud: they want to because the alternative is too scary.
I am worried that Hamilton is part of a bait and switch. Still…do people still rely on papers as much as they used to?
Beyond Farenthold doing his truly game changing intrepid /s investigations into Trump’s charitable giving, what else did the WaPo actually break news on that was…news?
Ah, Trump and his orange thin-skinned tantrum-tweets. Now he wants apologies and is crying about “safe spaces?” What happened to the campaign slogan of “tell it like it is?”
For our national safety, he really does need to “delete his account.”
Ah, Trump and his orange, thinned-skinned tantum-tweets. Now he wants apologies and safe spaces? What happened to the campaign slogan of “tell it like it is?” For the sake of national security, he should ‘delete his account.’
@Corner Stone: The Post drove me away about a decade ago because of their reporting and their editorial page. And their “cars” section review guy who gave some super-fawning review of the Chevy Avalanche before gas went to nearly $5/gal…
The Post has done well with a couple of their reporters. But I’m not ready to
guybuy a subscription again. I’m not coming close to getting a NYT subscription, either, even though I scan their headlines and regularly read Krugman. WaMo and MotherJones and CEPR and even DeLong’s Blog have gotten support from me this year, so I’m not averse to paying for sensible writing…
If the NY Times goes under, the reporters and editors will move on – as they always do. It’s hard, but one has to vote with their dollars or companies don’t change.
I’m not saying they were perfect. But at least they’re doing SOME good stuff, and seem at least moderately willing to challenge Trump via journalism. If only because they’re still pissed at being banned from the campaign.
Also, while I know the 10-per-month model is easily circumvented, I don’t do so until I hit the limit. I hit the WaPo’s limit four times this election cycle. I never hit the NYT’s. So, you know, I must actually be getting some value from the Post. I did make a point of sending them a support ticket explaining precisely why I’d decided to subscribe. Should be implicit that if they don’t keep it up I’m gone. :)
mai naem mobile
SATSQ – No, shint shiny object,point hither.
@cleek: Hiring Reince Fucking Preibus was hailed as Trump “reaching across the aisle”. They’ve completely lost the fucking plot.
@Corner Stone: Not to nitpick but, the excellence of Farenthold’s reporting aside, what game did he change?
“We’re going to yell questions at you while you go back in to the golf course clubhouse you own and give us the fucking middle finger! Thank you, sir! Thank you, Mr. President Elect for allowing me to yell irrelevant questions at you today!”
If Trump had a sense of humor, he’d put a mimeograph at the podium when they walked in for a presser, which would be running off sheets.
The press has some sort of playbook/template that it works off from for election/political coverage. If something doesn’t really fit, they just brute force it in. They’re just too lazy and jaded to do actual reporting for the most part. They just follow the same old patterns, not realizing the paradyne has actually shifted.
Our MSM is not learning – because it has no incentive (or desire) to do so….
IMO, the question should be this: Are we learning?
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@demz taters: Hence the /s tag in the middle for sarcasm.
“his truly game changing intrepid /s investigations”
I guess we should all be thankful that there were no email stories above the fold. Sign of progress, no?
@Another Scott: The institutions in our country, including the MSM, are so well and truly broken, that all we have left to do is vote with our dollars (and help the vulnerable among us).
And the headlines for the Hamilton matter were horrible. Pence did not “get an earful.” He was greeted respectfully, and Trump’s response was the equivalent of “shut up and know your place.”
@Corner Stone: @Corner Stone: Ah I see – took it for a typo and didn’t examine it for content. My apologies.
And he is now pitching his fucking hotels to foreign diplomats. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/2016/11/18/9da9c572-ad18-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html
There were cases in both New York and California. Did this settlement resolve both of them or just the New York case?
Gin & Tonic
This is really funny. A young Ukrainian journalist Tweeted something about not engaging in “the sky i falling” hysteria. Somebody replied to him: “you’re also from a country that represents the extreme of what bad politicians can do to a country of massive human potential”
He replied: No, I’m from Ukraine, not the US.
That’s a mic drop moment.
Anybody else a little bit freaked that his comment to the Hamilton cast is a command? “Apologize!”
@demz taters: Rejected! Now be forced to go and dutifully repeat every leak from Trump Tower and tweet from Trump as fact for the next week as repentance!
@bmoak: He settled all three.
@bmoak: Both cases settled.
@Citizen_X: Now the lines that got raucous applause last night will almost certainly continue to do so.
I saw in my Twitter roundup that conservatives are calling for a boycott. It’s not like their core base could ever dream of being able to buy tickets, anyways…so no, that’s not going to have much of an impact.
And yes, we are fucked. I think a large part of it is that Trump & Co. break so many rules every day that the media gets confused and doesn’t know what the fuck to do. And then there are those like Maggie Haberman who think there’s something to be said about respect in this post-factual era as the sun sets on liberal democracy here.
On a related subject, I just tried reading a couple of pieces in LGM, and couldn’t take it because of the infestation of leftier-than-thou trolls in the comments crowing about the defeat of the Democratic party establishment due to the latter’s lack of purity and whiteness.
For some reason, it (the troll infestation) doesn’t seem to be as intrusive over here. I think that part of it is the threaded comments at LGM – it is easier to just scroll through the trolls and keep up with the main line of discussion without threads.
Trump is demanding an apology from the cast of Hamilton. That’s a nice way of deflecting from the fact that the cast did not boo Pence. It was rank and file New Yorkers and tourists.
The #NameaPenceMusical is pretty funny, tho. I’m liking Annie Get Your Back Alley Abortion.
@PsiFighter37: I have to wonder where the comity police like Maggie Haberman were for the past eight years. Oh yeah, making a case for “both sides do it.”
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@Major Major Major Major: Yeah, I know, but from 8:00 until 11, it’s pretty good.
It’s the Gish Gallop, same as the campaign. I went to call my Rep and Senators about opposing Bannon and before I was done I had to call them to ask them their position on Medicare. Then all of a sudden it was the House Investigations committee into conflicts of interest. I think yesterday or today it’s opposing Sessions. I can’t keep up and I’m one of the ones who’s trying!
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Most people here love to dump on MSNBC because those are the only 3 hours of decent programming they have each weekday. You do hear an occasional person say they don’t like Maddow or Hayes, but for the most part people of the left blog persuasion complain that MSNBC doesn’t have enough dirty fucking hippies.
I don’t know what world I’m in when the best reporting on the settlement comes from Forbes….
Trump Gets $25 Million Write Off For Trump University Settlement
Alain the site fixer
@divf: that’s great feedback, though I originally recommended threads and John set the role from on high: there shall be no threads! And it was good.
A registry of a different kind
There’s nothing mistaken or accidental about any of this. There’s nothing for them to learn. They want this.
@SP: I assume that it will be paid out of the treasury, i.e., us, if not directly, then because it is first covered by ‘friends’, who will then be compensated a hundred times over at our expense.
@bystander: Trump is demanding an apology from the cast of Hamilton.
I saw this on Digby, I think she says it very well.
I’m afraid I have to agree. Booing is very rude. What you’re supposed to do is chant “lock him up!” and scream “Trump that bitch!” It’s also fine to call him “nasty” to his face. This booing, however, is disrespectful.
I say when the American people and the Obama family get a personal apology from the sexual predator-in-chief for years of birtherism, the cast of Hamilton may consider whether they feel an apology is in order.
BTW, how about an apology for the people you screwed who were misguided enough to enroll at Trump U.
I’ve now become quite the caller/writer when I see stuff like this, along with my bitching and moaning. Since I just dropped $99 for a yearly digital subscription, I will not hesitate to complain directly to the source, which in this case is the Wash Post. My complaint was that the diplomats currying favor by spending money at Trump properties needed to switch places on the front page with Pence/Hamilton. Pence/Hamilton is the equivalent of EMAILS! and I said so.
Feel the same way? readers @ washpost.com. Do it. Call ’em all. Write ’em all.
Iowa Old Lady
@sukabi: Very entertaining. Reminds me of the time the women at my college were told to stay indoors because a man was assaulting women, and one of my friends demanded that the administration keep the men indoors since a man was causing the problem. Why should we stay in?
While I’m ranting screw the WWC! The GOP has been giving the shaft to the poor and working class for 36 years. The tax burden on the top 10% is far lower than it was in 1980; the tax burden on the rest of the population is actually (total, including, sales tax and other fees, not just federal). The WWC is the only part of that group stupid enough to vote Republican. They could care less about economics, they just want to vote for someone who hates the browns and blacks. You’ll never appeal to those people. Some voted for Obama because the sky was falling in 2008, some switched back in 2012. They hit the jackpot in 2016, they got to vote for an out of the closet racist.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
A lot of liberals couldn’t either. Besides, didn’t Gallup find that Trump supporters were no poorer, and might have actually been a little more affluent than Hillary supporters?
In any case, it’s kind of hard to boycott Hamilton. It’s stupid to loudly refuse to buy something that’s hardly ever available.
Can anyone imagine the nuclear meltdown that would have occurred, if
immediately after winning presidency, Hillary settled a fraud case for $25 million?
The press would have gone bat sh*t crazy for weeks as Congress held endless hearings.
This seems as good a time as any to de-lurk and ask advice on this topic. I’m considering subscribing to WaPo because they are at least doing some decent writing, but wonder if limited resources would be better directed to the Mother Jones and Pro Publica flavor of news media. Their content is mostly better, but I assume their reach is much more limited. Or maybe that’s a false assumption to start with?
Anyway, I would love to hear thoughts on this. I tried to find some solid metrics on e.g. social media engagement for the different news outlets but couldn’t turn anything up.
Trump just fucked with Smokey.
Nobody fucks with Smokey and goes unpunished.
Villago Delenda Est
They’re utterly worthless, totally unworthy of the title “journalist”. They’re PR hacks, courtiers, suckups. None of them should be surprised if they’re treated as collaborators after this all is over.
Mike in NC
This is why the media was so invested in electing Trump and his henchmen: we’re about to see unending stories about scandals, outrages, insults, and conflicts of interest. Anybody trying to make any sense of it all will tear out their hair in frustration and disbelief.
The infotainment industry in America at its very worst.
@George: Sorry–I guess Trump’s Smokey tweet was from last year.
I was poking right-wingers over at The Atlantic yesterday for a little bit of fun. They make a verifiable claim, you ask for a citation, and then they post one, but it’s an op-ed from The Washington Times or a blog post from some small crazy-right blog. They sincerely believe that they are posting verifiable information from rational actors. It’s just weird. Who uses an op-ed as a source to prove a piece of data? It’s called “opinion” for a reason.
With all of the power centers inside and outside of Washington falling all over themselves to suck up to Trump who will stop him?
Much of our system of government has been governed by informal/unwritten norms of behavior. Trump has blasted thru every last one of them. The normal rules no longer apply. The only rule that applies now is the law of the jungle – every man for himself and may Trumps vengeance fall on someone else.
Even Mittens is sucking up. Wasn’t he supposed to be one of the honorable republicans? Now maybe he will be Sec of State and maybe he won’t. This all could be just more Trump kabuki but the fact that Romney would even validate Trump with a meeting burns his reputation. But I guess he is more concerned with what Trump could do to his business interests than with his reputation. And just as an aside I remember before the election how everyone said Trump would never carry Utah because the Mormons hated everything that Trump stood for. One more prediction that went up in smoke
and reposting from an earlier thread. Co-opting the military has started: Das Fuhrer consolidates his power. From WAPO. The military want NSA head Adm. M rodgers remoived from command imediately. The reason
he heads of the Pentagon and the nation’s intelligence community have recommended to President Obama that the director of the National Security Agency, Adm. Michael S. Rogers, be removed.
The recommendation, delivered to the White House last month, was made by Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., according to several U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
Action has been delayed, some administration officials said, because relieving Rogers of his duties is tied to another controversial recommendation: to create separate chains of command at the NSA and the military’s cyberwarfare unit, a recommendation by Clapper and Carter that has been stalled because of other issues.
The news comes as Rogers is being considered by President-Elect Donald Trump to be his nominee for DNI, replacing Clapper as the official who oversees all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies. In a move apparently unprecedented for a military officer, Rogers, without notifying superiors, traveled to New York to meet with Trump on Thursday at Trump Tower. That caused consternation at senior levels of the administration, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal personnel matters.
In the meantime the Kochopus has made its biggest acquisition – with the selection of their sock puppet Pompano they now own the CIA
The Constitution no longer exists.
Waiting for Cilizza et al to discuss optics. Really looking forward to that.
@Alain the site fixer: Thanks, Alain. Thinking a little more about this, with threaded comments, trolls clog up a discussion at the top by picking fights and relentlessly posting on early threads; the effect gets amplified when even a small number of otherwise sensible people feed the troll, also on an early thread. Given that this is all happening early on, I (at least) often don’t have the stamina to push on. Here they only can post in chronological order, which spreads them out, even if a small number of other posters take the bait and respond.
@Nicole: When the story broke yesterday I asked if there was a way for him to shift the settlement to the taxpayer. Yep there is according to the article –
But then since he hasn’t paid federal tax in years this will probably just help to extend his non payment one more year.
@divf: I just wear out the little scroll wheel to get past the trolls. Even though on occasion what they say is, however unintended, funny.
Mike in dc
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
JoeScar gets 3 hours.
Tweety gets an hour.
Mark Halperin gets an hour.
Chuck Todd gets an hour.
The DFH contingent pretty much consists of Chris Hayes, Maddie, Lawrence O’Donnell, Joy Reid and Al Sharpton. That’s it.
@cleek: The times sub-head “The outreach signaled a change in tone one day after President-elect Donald J. Trump moved to elevate hard-liners to pivotal national security positions.”
No. Fuck no.
Those three hard-liners are still gonna be there. IF, and it is a very big IF, Rmoney is offered and accepts SOS (or whatevs), those a-holes will combine to tell him to eat shit on a regular basis. They will set plenty of tone that is rabidly rightie.
FFS NYT, this is not 1980… And the Trump team is not playing pattycake.
They don’t care. They have no sense of propriety or what would be the “right” or ethical thing to do and there are no grownups.
Because anyone would know this was a bad idea, right? Even if they’re not familiar with US government at all? Normal people would say “boy, more than half the country pretty much loathes us so we probably shouldn’t push it with these sketchy meetings”? Not the Trumps! No internal brakes or self-examination at all.
@efgoldman: I wonder how serious Trump was about giving him a position, anyway. Now the guy screwed any future, that he might have. Rhee is meeting with him now, and Guiliani and Bolton still don’t have their assignment.
Steve Clemons said he heard that Tom Kean was offered the Dept of Defense and turned it down. Why offer a high level cabinet position to an eighty-one year old. That doesn’t make sense.
Get used to saying that.
@Hypatia RIP: I subscribe to Talking Points Memo, Mother Jones, and the Washington Post (because of David Fahrenthold.) I think any publication which does reporting that you like is a good candidate for your money, big or small.
Neil in FL
I truly believed that his entire campaign was just a way to justify starting Trump News Network. Now, I realize there’s no point, the news is all Trump, all the time. All the Trump that’s fit to print. Give us 22 minutes and we’ll give you the Trump. More Americans get their Trump from ABC than from any other source. Go Trump this is CNN. Fox News Trump and Trump. The place for Trump. America’s Trumppaper.
Have we forgotten this already? How Mike Pence wasn’t a popular governor? Because it’s true. The sainted “white working class” booed him at a baseball game, because he was a lousy governor and unpopular.
Now all the idiots have to boycott baseball.
@Hypatia RIP: Wasn’t Pro Publica one of those Bernie or bust both candidates are equally bad sites?
J R in WV
But how does a Republican politician-elect hiring the RNC head get to be reaching across an aisle? What aisle, between the urinals and the stalls? Give me a fk’in break.
The BBC lead with the $25 million fraud settlement too. You need to start watching, listening to and reading outside media who don’t hold their business model dependent on brownnosing the conman.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… it’s not the media per se that is to blame, it’s the people that decide what IS news and what will be reported on. The narrative setters. They’re the ones that gave the Clinton e-mails front and center placement, day in and day out. Same with Benghazi. They’re the ones that only gave us Trump flashpoints. Why were only Eichenwald and Farenthold able to break through? Why were they they only ones doing any kind of vetting of Trump and they’re hardly the “first team” as far as people who command a passionate following in the media.
The folks that set the narrative are blissfully faceless and unknown and they would just as soon keep it that way.
Those are the folks who need to be investigated imho, people they’re the ones leading the beast by the nose and determining what gets reported on and how much it gets reported on. They are not Murrow or Cronkite reincarnated, they are the worst kind of corporate whores, who believe the rest of us are expendable as long as they make their ratings and that’s the kindest thought I can contemplate at this time. These people are sociopaths of the highest order.
The Access Hollywoord tapes tried to get squashed by NBC itself until someone leaked it or else no one would have ever seen Trump be such an asshat on film, despite all of the rumor.
@George: I guess Donnie has never heard of the Ad Council.
Nothing can be done!!11
(Who realizes that more people will pay attention to Smokey now, so good news? :-/ )
@efgoldman: Hey efg, just saw a blurb on Travel Channel for Nordic Lodge buffet in RI. Looks like it may be in your neck of the woods? Any info or thoughts?
This is an important point. NBC had the sound and video and sat on it for something like four days. It only came out because some peon got pissed that no one was doing anything with it. Otherwise, would we have ever even seen this content? NBC can say they were setting up a production around it but that’s BS.
Mittens probably has a sense of what to do in most situations. He was a governor and he’s done a lot of different things. Maybe he can coach the Trumps on basic adult behavior.
@piratedan: Agreed. It’s the powers behind the scenes we need to take down.
@George: Hilarious, but it’s from 2015.
@Radiumgirl: The best memes are old memes!
(Who is thinking about joining Twitter just to yell about things like this, but he’d probably be the final straw that pushes Twitter into insolvency, being such a laggard…)
@Kay: WHAT ABOUT THE OPTICS said no one for some reason.
Like many of you have stated, I quit MSM of any kind after the election (or as I call it, ku klux christmas).. Haven’t looked back. I dont think Im ever going to either.
It is a violation of federal law for any employee of the Department of Defense to travel anywhere on DoD business with having written orders in advance. If Rogers did not take a vacation day on that Thursday AND wear civilian clothes to the meeting then he has violated that law and should not be retired but court martialed.
If he did do this meeting during his documented time off and not in uniform he might not be in violation of the law.
Honestly I’m not sure about Pro Publica – I mentioned them as an example because my wife was making noises about donating to them, but I tend to read TPM and MoJo. Either way, thanks for the warning.
@FlipYrWhig: Doesn’t it raise questions? At least? Questions.
The appearance of questions. Things were mentioned that raise questions. There is an appearance of impropriety that lead to questions. Some say questions should be raised.
This is actually a fairly good pair of tweets re: the lackluster and oft-recumbent press
I wouldn’t say that trying to work the Times, NPR, etc isn’t totally worthless, but we need to be preparing mass mobilizations, many more public events of resistance than just booing at Hamilton.
They are not Murrow or Cronkite reincarnated, they are the worst kind of corporate whores,
Thoughtless banality normalizes. Propaganda works.
Corporatism normalizes. Yesterday’s war profiteer is today’s battlefield logistics contractor.
So 17 miles or so away? Ok, thanks.
dance around in your bones
My two cents:
I’m tweeting Delete Your Account to That Thing every time I think about it.
C’mon, everybody! Tweet that twit!
The BBC really is learning – not only did it give the $25m fraud settlement top billing on broadcasts yesterday, today it has online: