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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / Open Thread: New Category — Trump Crime Cartel

Open Thread: New Category — Trump Crime Cartel

by Anne Laurie|  November 19, 20165:44 pm| 132 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Excellent Links, Grifters Gonna Grift, Hail to the Hairpiece, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Trump Crime Cartel, Decline and Fall

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The president will lie to us for years while picking fights on twitter and quietly telling his children which stocks to buy.

— Jon Lovett (@jonlovett) November 19, 2016

It’s gonna be in heavy rotation, if current reports are any guide. Paul Waldman, in the Washington Post, “Welcome to the Trump kleptocracy“:

“It’s very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it,” Donald Trump said back in 2000 when he was contemplating a bid that he never followed through on. And while he didn’t actually turn a profit on his 2016 run, it’s looking more and more likely that being president is going to be very lucrative for Trump. By the time it’s over, he may even be worth as much as he has always claimed to be.

The words “conflict of interest” don’t begin to describe what the Trump administration is shaping up to look like — though there will be plenty of conflicts of interest with administration figures such as Rudy Giuliani, who made millions from foreign governments and corporations, some of which are hostile to the United States. But the real action is going to be in Trump’s own family.

Anti-nepotism laws prevent Trump from giving his family members jobs in the administration. But don’t think that’s going to stop them from being active participants in U.S. government decision-making, or using the fact that Trump is president to keep money flowing in. In fact, we could see the president enriching himself and his family on a scale that we normally associate with post-Soviet kleptocrats and Third World dictators.

For starters, Ivanka, Eric and Donald Trump Jr. are on the executive committee of Trump’s transition team, helping decide who gets hired for key positions and what the administration’s initial focus will be. We learned that someone on the transition team inquired about obtaining security clearances for the three so that they could see classified information (though the Trump team protested that the request did not come from Trump himself). Then there’s the matter of Ivanka Trump’s husband…

Kushner — whose knowledge of government is so minimal that he was apparently surprised to learn that the Obama staffers in the White House wouldn’t be staying on to serve President Trump — is shaping up as perhaps his father-in-law’s closest adviser. He won’t have an official position, yet he’ll be privy to some of the most sensitive intelligence secrets the government possesses…

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    November 19, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    Emails.

  2. 2.

    Big R

    November 19, 2016 at 5:49 pm

    Literally everything they accused her of, they do. Everything.

  3. 3.

    gene108

    November 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm

    If they are just picking stocks, no biggie.

    I figure Trump wants a cut of all the government spending, i.e. every contract has to go through a Trump owned company.

  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    November 19, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    I am still interested in hearing Adam’s thoughts on what institution or set of norms is going to slow this down, or stop Trump and his klepto family.

  5. 5.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 19, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    @Corner Stone: I’ve got the answer for you(no pandas).

  6. 6.

    Corner Stone

    November 19, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    @gene108:

    I figure Trump wants a cut of all the government spending, i.e. every contract has to go through a Trump owned company.

    That’s what all the “infrastructure plan” scam is predicated on. It’s a scam. It will put money in Trump owned businesses or get cuts of the action to steer to crony business partners. They will own public goods and charge us to use them to reap their profits.
    Any fucking Democrat who tries to “work with” the Trump admin needs to be screamed at by their constituents every day.
    They are going to get rolled. Again.

  7. 7.

    Roger Moore

    November 19, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    The president will lie to us for years while picking fights on twitter and quietly telling his children which stocks to buy.

    If only it were going to be that quiet. He’s already telling foreign diplomats that they should stay in his hotel while visiting Washington, with the obvious suggestion that they’ll get preferential treatment by doing so, and he appears to be grifting off the Secret Service by having them stay in Trump properties while protecting him in New York. The theft is only going to get more blatant from here on out.

  8. 8.

    Roger Moore

    November 19, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    @Big R:

    Literally everything they accused her of, they do. Everything.

    And quite a bit more. She didn’t have a network of companies to steer government business to.

  9. 9.

    JMG

    November 19, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    It will come out when some enterprise (probably a big one, a tech one like Apple, Google or Microsoft) decides not to pay for play and obtains documentary evidence of being shaken down. Or when one of his dopey kids makes a few a little too obviously insider trades. The Street will notice. If rich people decide Trump is cheating them, there will be repercussions.

  10. 10.

    Aunt Kathy

    November 19, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    More resistance, this is a real thing, saw it on my fb feed & I just called…
    “Two minute action to support Obamacare! Paul Ryan is conducting a “survey” to dismantle the Affordable Care Act. It’s an automated voice mail and you don’t have to speak to anyone. Please call (202) 225-0600 and select option 2. You have to listen to a short, slanted spiel about how Obamacare is bad, but then you get to press 1 if you still support it. It says you can comment, but the mailbox is full. If you DO support it, please call. I’ve called twice. Takes 2 minutes. Thank you!”

    PS: Copy and paste vs. clicking the share button ensures visibility!

  11. 11.

    jenn

    November 19, 2016 at 5:56 pm

    @Roger Moore: If he continues to do this, it’s a violation of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, and would (under a responsible Congress) be worthy of impeachment.

  12. 12.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 19, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    @JMG:

    If rich people decide Trump is cheating them, there will be repercussions.

    Nope, they’ll get their tax cuts. It’ll all be OK.

  13. 13.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 19, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @gene108:

    He got the idea from Cheney and Halliburton.

  14. 14.

    Suzanne

    November 19, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    It’s always projection with these people. Always. ALWAYS.

    @Aunt Kathy: I’ve done it, and I had to call multiple times. You don’t get the survey each time you call, but KEEP TRYING.

  15. 15.

    gene108

    November 19, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    The irony is that so many of Trump’s supporters believed his preposterous claim that he would be the one to banish corruption from Washington, that he’d “drain the swamp” and send that crooked establishment packing. He’ll do nothing of the sort, of course; his transition team is drowning in corporate lobbyists, and among his first priorities are cutting taxes for the wealthy and removing oversight from Wall Street.

    From the WaPo link in the OP. He will drain the swamp of corruption. And fill it in with Trump loyalists, who will be free to loot, as long as Trump gets a cut.

  16. 16.

    md S Oregon

    November 19, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    @Aunt Kathy: Done!!

  17. 17.

    Corner Stone

    November 19, 2016 at 6:02 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    He’s already telling foreign diplomats that they should stay in his hotel while visiting Washington

    They don’t even have to do that, as blatant as the WaPo article was about this gross shit. The Trump company has properties and interests in 22 or more different countries. many of them less opaque as the one in DC. Given that no one gives a fucking shit about the gross shit going on at the specific one in DC, who is to say that we will ever see any accurate reporting about how foreign interests have just emptied buckets of kesh into one somewhere else?

  18. 18.

    jenn

    November 19, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @Aunt Kathy: Thank you! I just called, and will pass the info around. That’s what I’d like to see more of here on BJ. It’s not that there isn’t plenty to be doom and gloom about, but it’d be awesome if there could be more posts weighted towards what we all are doing. Plus more politics-free posts would also be grand. :*)

  19. 19.

    gene108

    November 19, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    And quite a bit more. She didn’t have a network of companies to steer government business to.

    She had the Clinton Foundation. You’ll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than the Clinton Foundation.

  20. 20.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 19, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @jenn:

    The doom and gloom is getting to me: Democrats will roll over and piss themselves, the media will ignore Trump malfeasance, the environment is frelled, and so on…. I’m NOT unaware of how bad shit can get, but just wallowing in that is disheartening and can cause people to give up.

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    November 19, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    A thousand points of blight.

  22. 22.

    RareSanity

    November 19, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @gene108:

    I’m calling Poe’s Law on this one…I have no idea if it’s snark or serious.

    I think my sarcasm detector is still functioning, so I’ll say snark.

  23. 23.

    Jeffro

    November 19, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @gene108:

    You’ll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than the Clinton Foundation.

    Wait…I thought that was Mos…oh, I get it now.

    I hear the bar band at the Clinton Foundation is worse, too.

  24. 24.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 19, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    @gene108: She probably used EMAIL! to talk to them.

  25. 25.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 19, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    Remember the Maine Pearl Harbor the email server!

  26. 26.

    Schlemazel

    November 19, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @Aunt Kathy:
    DOne. I listened to the spiel & it sounds old since it mentions a February override vote that failed. Still, it can’t hurt

  27. 27.

    jeffreyw

    November 19, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Gaddammit fucking firefox update breaks NoSquint. The fucking fuckers.

  28. 28.

    3Jane Tessier-Ashpool (a/k/a Lorinda Pike)

    November 19, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    The Klept is just waiting for The Jackpot. Then we of the 99% will have the choice of either working at HeftyMart for a dollar a day, or dealing meth.

  29. 29.

    Corner Stone

    November 19, 2016 at 6:27 pm

    Motherfucker is selling the license to the presidency and I don’t see any questions being raised. Shouldn’t there be questions? It leads to questions in some quarters.

  30. 30.

    mai naem mobile

    November 19, 2016 at 6:29 pm

    Hey Anne – it should be Trump Crime Cartel Part 1 or # 1 or Edition # 1

  31. 31.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 19, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    Who could/would go after a president on things like this even if the media makes a stink (which I’m not counting on)? AG Sessions? An R headed oversight committee? The FBI public corruption office in NYC?

  32. 32.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 19, 2016 at 6:34 pm

    Luigi Zingales here is using Berlusconi as an example, and seems to be arguing that something more like the Schumer-Warren-Sanders strategy of treating Trump as if he could be a normal politician is actually the right way to fight him.

    I dislike his dismissal of the protests (he doesn’t seem to see any connection between Trump and the waves of hate crimes that have already started, and doesn’t seem to see the urgency behind getting in early). But it’s an interesting counterpoint to the Gessen/Kendzior position, that Trump is Putin or Hitler and treating him as a normal politician is just walking into the maw of destruction.

    So, is Trump Berlusconi or is he Putin? Or something else?

  33. 33.

    gogol's wife

    November 19, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    That’s how I feel too.

  34. 34.

    mai naem mobile

    November 19, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    If all it was was staying at the hotels it’s small bananas in the bigger picture but his hotels are full service luxury hotels – as in providing event services. We are talking multimillions of dollars. And he’s got properties all over the world so these bribes can be done abroad.

  35. 35.

    Seth Owen

    November 19, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: The problem is that Italy operated within the EU. The USA has no higher authority to save it.

  36. 36.

    TS

    November 19, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    @jeffreyw: I gave up on firefox after years of using nothing else & installed chrome. Speed of sites loading went up 4 fold.

  37. 37.

    gogol's wife

    November 19, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I find him somewhat naive, but less annoying than Gessen or Kendzior (who proudly proclaims herself not a Democrat).

  38. 38.

    Corner Stone

    November 19, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Berlusconi was a normal corrupt politician. That is not where we are now. We really want to empower and normalize this thing in the most powerful nation on earth?
    No disrespect to Italy. But, really?

  39. 39.

    Roger Moore

    November 19, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    @gene108:

    The irony is that so many of Trump’s supporters believed his preposterous claim that he would be the one to banish corruption from Washington, that he’d “drain the swamp” and send that crooked establishment packing.

    No, they understood his message perfectly. He meant that he’d send all Those People packing and return Washington to the control of straight white men, just as the founders intended.

  40. 40.

    p.a.

    November 19, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: State AGs in states where tRump cronies are based? NY most obviously. Maybe even NJ now that Christie has been non-personed. Revenge.

  41. 41.

    John Revolta

    November 19, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @Baud: Speeches. She gave speeeeecchheessss!!!

  42. 42.

    Another Scott

    November 19, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Interesting.

    There’s another parallel with Berlusconi – like Trump he got his fame via TV and other media.

    As for how to go after him, I think it has to be both: when he says outrageous things, point that out. When/If he presents a serious proposal, treat it seriously.

    I do think he’s right that immediate protests and statements that we’ll “never” work with him is a trap. The last thing we want is for people to think that he’s the reasonable man in the room, and gut reactions count for a lot (too much) when it comes to most of the voting public…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  43. 43.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 7:04 pm

    @Seth Owen:

    The problem is that Italy operated within the EU. The USA has no higher authority to save it.

    Not so — Deadbeat Donnie answers to Vladi Vladimirovich.

    “Back in the US,
    Back in the US,
    Back in the U-S-S-A!” (well, I guess technically it should be U-A-S-R, but that doesn’t flow as well)

    (or CACR for gogol’s wife and others.)

  44. 44.

    Mary G

    November 19, 2016 at 7:05 pm

    He was pretty open about Nixon’s being his role model. Law and order! (For thee, not for me, of course).

  45. 45.

    FlyingToaster

    November 19, 2016 at 7:06 pm

    @Aunt Kathy: Done!

    The “Speaker’s Mailbox is not answering. Voice mailbox is full” robomessage made HerrDoktor laugh.

  46. 46.

    TriassicSands

    November 19, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    Does anyone think Trump will follow the law when it comes to classified material? I doubt it will matter what clearances, if any, his kids have. Trump, the man with zero impulse or self control, will share whatever he wants to with whomever he chooses. This will be the most corrupt administration ever and the one in which a top secret classification may mean next to nothing.

  47. 47.

    Timurid

    November 19, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Berlusconi might have been Putin if it weren’t for the constraints of the EU.
    There’s nothing in Trump’s character that will restrain him. Our institutions are the only things that will make his government any different from that of Kim Jong Un or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. If he was in an environment as permissive as theirs, he would be selling slaves and building rape camps too. I have no doubt of that. No. Doubt. Whatsoever.

    That’s why it’s so horrifying to watch all the gatekeepers shrug and say ‘give him a chance.’

  48. 48.

    Lizzy L

    November 19, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    It’s already started.

    https://thinkprogress.org/trump-poised-to-violate-constitution-his-first-day-in-office-george-w-bushs-ethics-lawyer-says-73e14789a935#.5l4pt2pz2

  49. 49.

    JMG

    November 19, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @TriassicSands: If Trump does not follow the law on classification of information, intelligence community will not just leak, but turn on him. These are not people who resemble us in any way, but they are extremely patriotic, even more extremely rules-oriented, and like intelligence agencies since the dawn of civilization, are full of internal rivalries and backbiting. Look, it’s simple. If you really don’t believe our institutions of government (not the media, which is profit driven only) would resist a would-be autocrat, get the hell out now while you can. If you do, stick around and help. I’m sticking in the full knowledge I could be wrong.

  50. 50.

    Another Scott

    November 19, 2016 at 7:22 pm

    @Lizzy L: Interesting. Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  51. 51.

    debbie

    November 19, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    @Aunt Kathy:

    Nice, but I prefer grander gestures like this one.

    (A similar photo is on my FB feed, but I can’t find a site that hasn’t censored the naughty word.)

  52. 52.

    Kay

    November 19, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    Maybe markets will work. When Trump showers his own businesses with Presidential favors he’s not just aiding the Trump Family. He’s harming legitimate businesses who don’t have the Presidency to sell.

    It’s an unfair advantage.

    That to me is why it’s different than ordinary pay to play in politics and that may be the only check on him.

    Thin reed, I know, but if we’re expecting Republicans in Congress to rein in this family we’re going to be waiting a long time. They want those tax cuts and deregulation and they don’t care how they get them.

  53. 53.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    Donald Trump’s America :

    Gold Star family of slain Calif. soldier booed on flight

    The pilot asked the passengers to remain seated to allow a special military family a chance to make a quick exit to catch a connecting flight. The passengers didn’t know that it was a gold star family but what difference does that make give the way the pilot phrased the request. The pilot on the connecting flight was aware of the situation and held at the gate for 40 minutes so the family could make the connection. They were on their way to Dover to meeting their son’s coffin.

    America deserves Donald Trump.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gold-star-family-of-slain-calif-soldier-booed-on-flight/ar-AAkvERn?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

  54. 54.

    debbie

    November 19, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @efgoldman:

    My nickel’s on raven.

  55. 55.

    Schlemazel

    November 19, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:
    He is not personable enought to be Berlisconi or smart enough to be Putin

  56. 56.

    Kay

    November 19, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    The demanding an apology thing is weird too. Since when do ordinary citizens apologize for upsetting the Vice President?

    Christ. Those two better toughen up. They’re not getting “apologies” in that job.

    Trump is embarrassing. He’s just all fucked up and there’s no curing it. This idea that it will get better is ludicrous. He doesn’t understand anything about that job.

    It’s always a mistake to keep people like that on. You really know in the first week if you made a bad hire. It NEVER gets better.

  57. 57.

    debbie

    November 19, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @D58826:

    I hate these Americans.

  58. 58.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @Lizzy L:

    Oh, come on.

    You can’t make an omelet without breaking a few Sections of the Constitution.

  59. 59.

    Lizzy L

    November 19, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    @JMG: I’m sticking because I’m too old and too mean to run.

  60. 60.

    Schlemazel

    November 19, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    @debbie:
    I’m afraid if it was raven it wouldn’t say “Trump”

  61. 61.

    SgrAstar

    November 19, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    @Big R:

    Literally everything they accused her of, they do. Everything.

    Yes. Cannot repeat this often enough.

  62. 62.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 7:34 pm

    @debbie:

    My nickel’s on raven.

    Wouldn’t he have included LBJ, however?

  63. 63.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 19, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    It’s interesting that several of the White Republicans who I know personally are horrified that Trump won — one to the point of losing sleep. Makes me feel a little better to know that he didn’t dupe them all and some are willing to acknowledge how uniquely dangerous he is.

    If he starts messing up, it will be more than just Black and Brown people rising up against him. The media will then be forced to cover him for the monster he is and stop pussy footing around.

    Still loving the fact that Pence got booed and publicly scolded when he went to watch Hamilton. He deserves so much more but that’s a good beginning. Trump/Pence must not be normalized.

  64. 64.

    debbie

    November 19, 2016 at 7:35 pm

    @SFAW:

    You don’t think he could spare a basketful of fucks for Trump?

  65. 65.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 19, 2016 at 7:37 pm

    My comment is in moderation.

  66. 66.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @debbie:

    I didn’t say “instead of Trump,” I said “included LBJ.”

  67. 67.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 19, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    @Kay: Where is the apology from Trump to President Obama for all that birther nonsense? Or from Trump to Secretary Clinton for calling her a nasty woman? Or for leading rallies calling for her to be locked up?

  68. 68.

    JMG

    November 19, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    The flight information on those horrors is still in the Am Airlines computer. Were I a veteran with access to said computer, their names and addresses would be public information. Just sayin’.

  69. 69.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Kay: Citizens have the right to petition for redress of grievances. Probably the only time most citizens will get close enough to the VP for him to hear their petition. Funny how Joe Wilson shouting’ you lie’ at Obama during the state of the union or the tea partiers storming congressional town halls is ok.

  70. 70.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    November 19, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @D58826: Oh God I thought for a moment it was the Khans,but watch the Right Wing (Breitbart)noise machine pin it on the left”, the new calling of soldiers, baby killers at the airport meme”

  71. 71.

    tobie

    November 19, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    This is a little out there but important all the same. Has anyone been following the news that the NSA head, Michael Rogers, might be fired? Part of it seems like a rearrangement of the organization of cyber-surveillance. Data collection and cyber-protection/action might be placed in different agencies. But there’s a Trump element, too, since he’d be deciding whom to hire and how the NSA should be structured, and this raises questions about how he might use the agency to spy on his political rivals. Adam, if you’re reading this, can you throw some light on this whole process? Thanks.

  72. 72.

    NeenerNeener

    November 19, 2016 at 7:43 pm

    @Kay: Trump is now living that nightmare where he’s taking a test he hasn’t studied for…and he’s naked.

  73. 73.

    Kay

    November 19, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    The settlement itself is weird. Who were they negotiating with? The President of the United States or Donald Trump?

    It’s already horribly tangled and full of conflicts. We need much more information on this settlement. It directly affects the bottom line of the President-elect and half his transition team, who, incidentally are his relatives.

  74. 74.

    sukabi

    November 19, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    @Lizzy L: I hope all the foreign dignitaries have the sense to sweep for bugs and not use the phones for anything sensitive…with drumpfs penchant for eaves dropping on his “guests” there could be one international incident after another….

  75. 75.

    JPL

    November 19, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    The Army Times has an article about the family that was booed while flying to Dover. The boos came from first class, and the man is unsure what the pilot said. It was rude, and unfortunate.
    https://www.armytimes.com/articles/gold-star-father-urges-compassion-after-airplane-passengers-boo-family

  76. 76.

    Kay

    November 19, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    And we’re all living the nightmare of realizing 2 weeks in we made a bad hire and it won’t get better. It won’t. It never does. He’s a bad fit for this job. It’s really that simple. Best to just get it over with and get rid of him now. From here on out it’s all defensiveness and recriminations.

  77. 77.

    frosty

    November 19, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @debbie:

    My nickel’s on raven.

    I dunno, Fuck LBJ, sure. Trump? I think the jury is still out.

    ETA: I see I’m late to the party. But at least raven can be clear that everyone knows where he stands. :-)

  78. 78.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    @tobie: The reason he might be fired is he meet with Trump w/o telling his superiors. Violation of the rules of chain of command.

  79. 79.

    debbie

    November 19, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @SFAW:

    I stand corrected.

  80. 80.

    Hypatia RIP

    November 19, 2016 at 7:50 pm

    @JMG: Our intelligence and military institutions are perhaps the ones I am most confident in to shield us from the worst; if for no other reason than I think (from what I can see) they would see Dense taking over for a disgraced Leader as an upgrade. At least I can’t see anything the Cheeto can offer them that Dense can’t:

    On one hand you have a middle American patriarch who appears to have stepped from the pages of a 1950’s Superman comic and who has executive experience in addition to what passes for moral conviction in some quarters. And on the other you have the caricature of a know-nothing fat cat who is overly friendly with foreign interests and shows little regard for our own security and stature in the world.

    I welcome other perspectives, but I am having trouble imagining what conservative career people will see in Donnie that will inspire them with loyalty.

  81. 81.

    Van Buren

    November 19, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @JMG: It’s pretty bad when we DFHs are hoping the NSA/CIA will save the day.
    But I really think that’s our best chance. A few judicious leaks could kneecap the orange one.

  82. 82.

    mai naem mobile

    November 19, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    @efgoldman: Putisconi. That’s my new name for Shitgibbon

  83. 83.

    NeenerNeener

    November 19, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    @Kay: As bad as a President Pence would be, at least it would get the Trump spawn out of our government. But will the Republicans actually impeach Trump?

  84. 84.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 7:54 pm

    @JPL: I have been on flights where the pilot/flight attendants have ask people not making connections to remain seated until those with connections deplane. Simple courtesy!. The fact that it was a Gold Star family just makes it worse. Here we are a country that lionizes our patriots in uniform until we are slightly inconvenienced then not so much.

    Obviously Trump is not personally responsible but he has coarsened then culture over the past 18 months and he certain set the example when it came to the Khan family.

  85. 85.

    tobie

    November 19, 2016 at 7:56 pm

    @D58826: He seems to have done a lousy job with cybersecurity, which I gather was part of his brief. And the unauthorized meeting with Trump is disturbing given the role wikileaks/Russia played in the election.

  86. 86.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 19, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @Another Scott: But he admits that total non-cooperation worked well for the Republicans.

  87. 87.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @NeenerNeener: I doubt that you could cobble together one complete backbone among the GOP in Congress let alone enough to impeach/convict. And since it takes 67 votes to convict it would require a big chunck of the democratic caucus to go along. Not sure thery have any more spine than the GOP

  88. 88.

    mai naem mobile

    November 19, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @NeenerNeener: not quite. He’s not a pilot and is flying the plane naked and sweaty with all of us as passengers. One engine has conked out. The navigation system is not working. 27 percent of the passengers are drunk out of their mind. 40 percent are dressed to go to the Bahamas. The plane is flying over the Andes.

  89. 89.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @tobie: I know its conspiracy theory but given what has come out over the past month or so and the razor thin margins that Hillary lost by in WI and MI,I just wonder if there was a plan sitting on the shelf in the event of a close election to shave a few votes here and a few votes there that tipped the results in Trumps favor. Probably not something local party officials could pull off but with the resources available to Russia and the KGB……..

  90. 90.

    Van Buren

    November 19, 2016 at 8:10 pm

    Digby had footage up showing the uncanny resemblance between Mussolini and Trump. Its obvious Trump used him as a model. Whatever happened to Mussolini anyway?

  91. 91.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 19, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    Yeah, the whole “Italy had the EU” thing is a major problem with the Trump:Berlusconi comparison. Berlusconi is basically how Trump would operate if he was, I don’t know, governor of Texas.

    He is not, however, the governor of Texas; he is the president-elect of the most powerful nation on earth, with a co-partisan congress and judiciary.

  92. 92.

    SenyorDave

    November 19, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    @NeenerNeener: Trump is now living that nightmare where he’s taking a test he hasn’t studied for…and he’s naked.

    There’s an image that I didn’t need. I’m guessing there are a serious pair of man-boobs. I’m thinking maniserre territory.

  93. 93.

    HinTN

    November 19, 2016 at 8:17 pm

    @Aunt Kathy: Done, and just as you said it would go. Hope the numbers are there.

  94. 94.

    HinTN

    November 19, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @jenn: The House might impeach just to get Pence…

  95. 95.

    BBA

    November 19, 2016 at 8:18 pm

    @Kay:

    Since when do ordinary citizens apologize for upsetting the Vice President?

    This is nothing. I remember when an ordinary citizen apologized for getting shot in the face by the Vice President.

  96. 96.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    According to an article in Esquire the Russians have stolen the equivalent of a stack of printed copier paper three times the height of the Washington Momument.

    Bu Hillary’s e-mails…..

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/

    Oh and the trip to Israel is off. Seems Bibi said something unkind to Das Fuhrer

  97. 97.

    D58826

    November 19, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    @Van Buren: Whatever happened to Mussolini anyway?

    Rumor has it it didn’t end well. Something about hanging around a gas station

  98. 98.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    @D58826:

    Seems Bibi said something unkind to Das Fuhrer

    Fuck Bibi. He deserves whatever he gets, for all the bullshit he pulled on Obama. And, not to get all raven-like and stuff, but:

    Fuck Bibi.

  99. 99.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 19, 2016 at 8:27 pm

    @D58826: Something along the lines of “fuck Mike Huckabee” perhaps?

  100. 100.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 8:29 pm

    @Van Buren:

    Digby had footage up showing the uncanny resemblance between Mussolini and Trump.

    Except Mussolini got the trains to run on time; Trump wishes he were that competent.

  101. 101.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 19, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    @SFAW: Mussolini actually didn’t.

  102. 102.

    NeenerNeener

    November 19, 2016 at 8:31 pm

    If the Republicans don’t have the balls to impeach “That Fucking Guy” maybe they could pay him to fake a heart attack and resign for health reasons.

  103. 103.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    November 19, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    never been a huge fan, but…

    Axl Rose @ axlrose
    “Hamilton Cast harassed Pence.” Do u ever stop whining?An apology?Seriously?!U won,this is the job,get on with it or get out of the kitchen.

  104. 104.

    dmsilev

    November 19, 2016 at 8:41 pm

    @SFAW: My understanding is that he didn’t, in fact, improve the punctuality of the Italian train system, but instead his government simply reported that all the trains were running on time. That sounds very Trumpian.

  105. 105.

    Dee Loralei

    November 19, 2016 at 8:42 pm

    From Twitter : ” Mike Pence somehow managed to be the least popular Vice-President at a musical about a Vice-President who kills the hero of that musical!” Dear god, I love Twitter! And Boomer!!

  106. 106.

    Glidwrith

    November 19, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @Aunt Kathy: Done!!!

  107. 107.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 19, 2016 at 8:44 pm

    My comment is still waiting moderation.

  108. 108.

    Another Scott

    November 19, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @D58826: There was a band called Mussolini Headkick, because of course there was.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  109. 109.

    Dadadadadadada

    November 19, 2016 at 8:46 pm

    @mai naem mobile: I’m sticking with Shitler.

  110. 110.

    JordanRules

    November 19, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    That crazy POS is always going to lean into the sensational story partly because he’s got that reality TV gene and because so much of the other stuff is out of his depth.

  111. 111.

    Chris

    November 19, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    @D58826:

    Ohhhhhh… Not only did passengers boo, but they were first class passengers, using complaints like “I paid for first class for this?”

    God, fuck the rich.

  112. 112.

    the wesson

    November 19, 2016 at 8:52 pm

    @mai naem mobile: Does this story end with them eating the Republicans after the plane crash?

  113. 113.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 8:55 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:
    @dmsilev:

    OK. I blame Obama (and Hitlary’s emails or server) for my succumbing to that (apparently wrong) trope. Of course, the “he said they did but they really didn’t” thing is very Trumpian.

  114. 114.

    SFAW

    November 19, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    @the wesson:

    Does this story end with them eating the Republicans after the plane crash?

    Sorry, but no happy endings in a post-11/9 world.

  115. 115.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    November 19, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    @NeenerNeener:

    And thanks to those statues, we all know what that looks like.

  116. 116.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 19, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): We had one of those down the street.

    *Shutters*

  117. 117.

    Chris

    November 19, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    @SFAW:

    Fuck Bibi, totally, but come on; wouldn’t you love to see him getting into a pissing match with Trump, especially with all of his right wing supporters right here in the U.S? No matter who loses that one, we win.

  118. 118.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 19, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    @efgoldman:

    OK. Steve in ATL, raven, SiubhanDuinne. which one of you did it?

    We will all be providing each other with alibis

  119. 119.

    mai naem mobile

    November 19, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    @the wesson: why,yes,you know survival of the fittest and all. All very Randian,really.

  120. 120.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 19, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @efgoldman: of course, assuming that I haven’t been disbarred

  121. 121.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 19, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Do you have to actually be a lawyer to get attorney-client privilege, or can it just be somebody about whom I say “this person is my lawyer!”?

  122. 122.

    raven

    November 19, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    We’ve been back from our ill-fated trip to the beach for just a couple of hours. It really sucks driving BACK from the beach when we are normally going the other direction. Now to negotiate the treatment morass.

  123. 123.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 19, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: must be an actual licensed attorney at law! Otherwise, you could privilege almost anything. We have to protect our racket, er, profession.

  124. 124.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 19, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    @raven: that does suck. You could always stop at the Tabernacle and catch the last Drive By Truckers show of 2016.

  125. 125.

    The Dudeist

    November 19, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @jenn: this is why they will push for a constitutional convention.

  126. 126.

    mai naem mobile

    November 19, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @JPL: that gold star family being booed on twitter has turned into liberals on plane boo gold star family travelling with son’s body.

  127. 127.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 19, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Pretty sure it was either JPL or Mingobat. Maybe SIA.

  128. 128.

    BBA

    November 19, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    @HinTN: And if that happens, Trump will immediately launch his 2020 campaign. And he’ll be eligible to run in 2024 too.

    The “good” news is (a) he probably won’t be able to get the term limits amendment repealed and (b) he’s unlikely to live past 110, so by 2056 we’ll be done with him for good.

  129. 129.

    J R in WV

    November 19, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @raven:

    Raven,

    I missed hearing what happened, except for knowing that Mrs Raven broke her, wrist? somehow? Sounds terrible.

    Wishing the best in care and recovery for her going forward. Express our West Virginian best wishes to her, please.

  130. 130.

    Steeplejack

    November 19, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Pussy is still forbidden, even if you’re just pussyfooting.

  131. 131.

    Bob2

    November 19, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Green_Footballs/status/800068529428926465

    Well that didn’t take long.

  132. 132.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 19, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @Bob2: that’s how great amerIca is–even non-white people can be white supremacists

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