…. Speaking about Trump, Dean said, “He’s a complicated guy. He appoints a reasonable person [Reince Priebus], who’s much more conservative than I am, but for somebody who can talk to as chief of staff and then his senior advisory is a Nazi.”
Dean was referring to Bannon, the former Breitbart CEO, went on to accuse him of several discriminatory beliefs.
“He’s anti-Semitic, he’s anti-black and he’s anti-women,” Dean said. “It’s a big word, and I don’t usually use it unless somebody’s really anti-Semitic, really misogynist and really anti-black.”
Dean said Trump’s appointment of Bannon makes him “very nervous” and said it calls into question the president-elect’s judgement…
CAn’t say I agree about Priebus — although I’ve never met the man — but it’s inspiring to hear a Democrat call Bannon by the right name, isn’t it?
Apart from speaking blunt truths, what’s on the agenda for the day?
***********
Via universally respected commentor EFGoldman and the Atlantic’s Citylab, “The Activist Workout“:
… Laurel Eckhouse, a PhD student in political science at the University of California, Berkeley, noticed a surge of enthusiasm for civic activism, but also some trepidation about getting started. After the election, she observed some people feeling overwhelmed by decision fatigue, she says, yanked in a bunch of directions at once; others are concerned that small-scale efforts don’t add up to much. “People get worried that they’ll start getting involved and all of a sudden it will be three meetings a week, each of which is three hours long, and they won’t be able to do anything valuable unless it’s a huge time commitment,” Eckhouse says. Like exercise, she says, “some people think it’s not real if you’re not doing a marathon.”
In response, Eckhouse and seven other activist collaborators rolled out a newsletter that features a smattering of ways to get engaged, organized by the amount of time each action requires. Five minutes is enough to signal boost a cause by giving it a social media bump; in a half-hour, readers can compose letters to the editor of a publication.
The first installment of My Civic Workout went out [Monday]; another one, on Wednesday, will focus on the Standing Rock protests, and Friday’s digest will hinge on things to do during the holiday season…
The goal is to introduce folks to activism in an engaging and accessible way, balancing short-term interventions with an ongoing commitment to equality. By working their way through the exercises—the quick burpees, the longer relays, all a sort of civic calisthenics—readers build up stamina to flex their activist muscle. “Your heart is a muscle the size of your fist,” the newsletter reminds followers. Sign up here to start warming up.
BillinGlendaleCA
Snort!
Your’s truly,
Universally reviled comment BillinGlendaleCA
rikyrah
Morning,Everyone???
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: EFGoldman doesn’t even respect EFGoldman.
Baud
@rikyrah: Morning, r.
rikyrah
Call a Nazi a Nazi
Schlemazel
I have had several conversations in the last few days with people who live in a totally different world than the one we inhabit. Their disconnect from reality goes well beyond “GOP=good, Dem=bad”. They believe things happened in this world that have not & that things that didn’t happen most surly did. There is no way we can reach these people, none. They are lost forever because they live in a different world and as this world is being destroyed by Trump and his Nazi brigades they will believe the fantasy they are plugged into. It is so much worse than I ever could have imagined
Baud
I hope one of the exercises is voting for Democrats in every election.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I added a signature line. Oh fuck, I fucked it up.
Your’s truly,
Universally reviled commenter BillinGlendaleCA
BillinGlendaleCA
@rikyrah: If it walks like a duck, floats like a duck, and quacks like a duck…
Cheers,
Universally reviled commenter BillinGlendaleCA
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
That’s why you’re so reviled.
Schlemazel
@BillinGlendaleCA:
If it marches like a goose
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Exactly.
@Schlemazel: Heh!
Cheers,
Universally reviled commenter BillinGlendaleCA
BillinGlendaleCA
So yesterday I was all prepared to go to DTLA and take some pics: Vista Hermosa Park(visible & IR), some places around Union Station and Spring Street. I get to the station, about a 10 minute drive, and hear that the train coming from the south is stopped at Union Station due to an Amtrak train hitting someone on the tracks at Union Station. The next announcement says that the train coming from the north(my train) is stopped at Burbank(the previous station). So I got in my car and drove home, good thing I didn’t buy a ticket.
Cheers,
Universally reviled commenter BillinGlendaleCA
Mustang Bobby
I can’t look at today’s date without thinking about one very bad day.
Even if you weren’t alive then, that day changed your life.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mustang Bobby: I was alive, but I don’t remember it.
Cheers,
Universally reviled commenter BillinGlendaleCA
ETA: Though I do have a memory of seeing President Kennedy on the TV machine(I was almost 4 when he was killed).
NotMax
Holiday shopping finished. Had to go to four different markets to find everything on the list.
Schlemazel
@BillinGlendaleCA:
We have a couple of light rail routes here on the tundra for a few years. They seem to hit someone every few months and it makes me wonder, are people getting more stupid? The Twin Cities used to have a huge trolley system with dozens of routes an hundreds of miles of tracks (the run from Stillwater to Minnetonka alone was nearly 50 miles) and I have never read much of people getting hit by them. Its not like a train can sneak up on someone. I suppose portable music is part of the problem but how stupid do you have to to shut the world out as you are walking on the tracks? It is weird how often it happens.
geg6
Caught Green Day’s moment Sunday night. They kicked ass and took names.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Schlemazel: This wasn’t light rail, it was a commuter line using regular railroad tracks. We’re pretty much in the same situation, we used to have one of the largest trolley systems in the country(the Red and Yellow Cars) and are just starting to re-establish in the past 25 years and it’s been slow going. They just opened the line to the ocean this past May. The problem with these lines is that when they run in DTLA they have to stop at traffic lights and don’t seem to get preferential treatment, makes it a slow go.
Cheers,
Universally reviled commenter BillinGlendaleCA
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: That should be a no brainer unless it’s Manchin of WV. He might as well come out as Republican.
raven
@Schlemazel: I have not asked, nor has she volunteered, if her phone was involved with her fall. When I tripped and almost sliced my finger off I just tripped so I think it best to remain silent.
Patricia Kayden
@rikyrah: I wish Dean had called Donald a Neo Nazi too. Baby steps.
Mustang Bobby
@Schlemazel: My dad tells me that he and his brother used to take the streetcar from their home on Fremont Avenue S. by Lake Harriet to school in Hopkins, and in the summer out to Lake Minnetonka to go sailing during World War II. I never checked the old streetcar maps to check out the story, but I like to think it’s true.
Baud
@geg6: I caught some of the AMAs. I’m old. Didn’t know who anybody was.
Kay
I hosted the Republican ladies last night at my house. Very subdued about the election, they were. I knew they wouldn’t be proud Trumpsters but I expected someone to at least mention it. One of them cornered me in the kitchen to ask me “what happened?”, horrified, so there’s a secret Clinton voter. I love “what happened?” BTW- like I’m responsible for this moron. Sorry my effort wasn’t enough to stop your lunatic. I’ll work harder next time.
Patricia Kayden
@geg6: Strangely enough, some of their Rightwing fans were demanding that they shut up about politics. Ha!! They’ve always been a political band.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: Fuck em. They can listen to Nugent.
Baud
@Kay:
The answer is that Clinton screwed up. She had faith in the decency of white people.
urlhix
@Schlemazel: Yep. Me too. Still really deeply delusional and angry, especially about the protests. Kinda glad they strike a nerve, actually. Although we all know that is not what their continuing anger is about.
raven
@Mustang Bobby: Athens had them and the arroyo behind our house has a big are where they dumped the chopped up streets when they took them out.
Patricia Kayden
@Kay: To be fair, I’m sure there are quite a few (although not enough) rank and file Republicans who didn’t vote for and don’t support Donald. I’ve met a few hardcore Republicans who are horrified that he’s now the President. He’s going to face a lot of opposition when he inevitably starts screwing up — even among Republican voters.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
Sure Baud, tell me another one.
Big story on the local news was Kanye being taken to Ronnie Raygun at UCLA, probably the NPI unit.
Mustang Bobby
@raven: Miami is thinking about getting them again despite the fact that the light rail system, started in the 1980’s, was left unfinished (thank you, St. Ronnie) and it would significantly add to an already messed-up traffic problem.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: NPI?
Botsplainer
Looking at the current political landscape, it appears to me that nonviolence and passive resistance ultimately failed and has proven nonresilient in the face of persistent pushback.
This is the second electoral cycle on the last 5 where the popular vote total doesn’t even come close to reflecting the electoral vote count, a failure rate of 40%. In North Carolina, a gerrymandered legislature is about to undo the results of the election that McCrory lost, just by conservative legislative fiat.
When your vote (when you actually are able to exercise that right) is worthless, then what do you have left to rely on? The goodwill of white Christians (spit) while you march and engage in nonviolence?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Nuero Psychiatric Institute.
Baud
@Botsplainer:
What’s going on there?
Kay
@Baud:
Republicans have lost any credibility they may have had on objecting to celebrity endorsements. They elected a game show host President. You don’t get to do that and then enforce these rigid boundaries between politics and entertainment.
raven
@Mustang Bobby: They have a very limited one in Atlanta and it’s got lot’s of problems.
Botsplainer
@geg6:
It’s a shame that I loathe the sound of their vocals.
Baud
@Kay: The first five words of your comment were all that were needed.
Schlemazel
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I knew that but a train is a train. It runs on tracks & is loud so it is not a surprise where it goes & it is not sneaking up on anyone.
BillinGlendaleCA
@raven: The great thing about taking Metrolink(the commuter rail) here is that you can transfer to any metro rail or bus(and most of the city lines here in LA) all day. So I pay $5 to ride the 7 miles from Glendale to Union Station and then can get almost anywhere.
ETA: Last time the kid was here, she and her BF did the same thing to get to the Yams game. There’s a Metrolink stop right by her place and then take the subway/light rail to the Mausoleum.
Botsplainer
@Baud:
He’s raising a metric shitton of fruitless challenges with county boards of election, many of them Republican. Those local boards are actually offended, but there is apparently a section of NC law that allows the legislature to undo an election where it deems the process to be deeply flawed – and the determination is not reviewable by any court.
I’m thinking that this may run afoul of us requirement of the US Constitution for a Republican form of government, but wouldn’t want to litigate it.
Oh, and the leg is considering granting him the ability to appoint two extra SC justices on the way out the door, to guarantee conservative tilt (voters decided to tilt their court liberal).
Schlemazel
@raven:
You are truly a learned man! Silence is the better part of discretion!
Baud
@Botsplainer: Pretty offensive stuff. Thanks.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Schlemazel: Heh, you’re telling me it’s loud; I live really close to an at grade crossing. I hear Q in Morse Code all the time. Sometimes the cocker spaniel barks at it, I ask her if she’s new here.
Schlemazel
@Mustang Bobby:
It may have been the best in the country. There were lines that ran to distant suburbs (farm country then,in reality) through the cities and on to distant suburbs. A shame we got swindled out of it.
Baud
@Botsplainer:
If the Dems regain power in 2020, two items I want on the agenda are court packing and making DC and PR states.
Kay
@Baud:
They don’t love Trump like they loved Bush. A big part of midwestern conservatism is lording it over liberals with how upstanding conservatives are- they can’t do that with Trump, and they know it.
Let’s be honest- Trump is sleazy. From the fraudulent businesses to the pawing of women to the constant lying, he’s an utterly disreputable person.
WereBear
@Kay: Republicans now have one rule: there are no rules. Unless they are literally arrested, they will just keep on doing what ever they want, pure unrestrained hateful Id, and they have some brainwashed masses who will cheer them on.
Enough masses to win by cheating.
geg6
@Patricia Kayden:
I’m an old school punk. Was into it before it hit mainstream. For a lot of my cohort, they saw Green Day as a bunch of posers just cashing in on punk very late in the game and derided them as a pop band. I have always disagreed.
Although I always liked them, they weren’t icons to me until “American Idiot.” That album hit and it was at the time of the 2004 election, the height of my own peak Bush Derangement Syndrome, and the midst of my breakup with my ex after 18 years. A very bad time, personally and politically. I played that CD over and over and over and over for months. It spoke to my very core, my anger and my anguish and my utter alienation. I didn’t think people in their late forties had that kind of teenager “oh, they feel my pain” reactions to music, being old and cynical. But damn, it hit me just like that. They literally helped get me through a very dark time in my life and for that, I will always love them. And they have done nothing since to make me change my mind.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Schlemazel: I think the Red/Yellow cars went all the way to San Berdo, the Valley, and into the OC. Oh and to the rail line that went up Echo Mountain.
ETA: Actually the rail line up to Echo Mountain and over to Mount Lowe was eventually owned by Harry Huntington(the gardens are his old estate) who also owned the Red Car line(Pacific Electric).
Baud
@Kay: They’ll just invent stories about how Democrats are sleazier. That’s what they did with Clinton.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I heard somewhere that more people used public transport in 1900 than use it today. Not per capita. The total number was greater.
Patricia Kayden
@Botsplainer: So what else can you do? Democrats need to vote in every election. If you don’t you’ll end up with Republican governors and legislators who will in turn work towards restricting your voting rights. And then the cycle repeats itself until Republicans take over your state politics. If I recall correctly, the Governor for NC was a Democrat back in 2008. What happened?
Elizabelle
@Baud:
Language, people. Good morning, all.
Raven
@BillinGlendaleCA: My brother in Sherman Oaks uses it a lot.
Mustang Bobby
@Schlemazel: I remember riding the streetcars in St. Louis when I was four. In deference to “Meet Me In St. Louis,” we called it the trolley car. We moved to Toledo in 1957, and the front berm in front of our house in the suburbs was unusually wide; it was where the trolley tracks ran until they pulled them up in the late 40’s.
Kay
@WereBear:
I don’t know- maybe it’s because I’ve known these women for 20 years but I’m sensing some regret. They don’t admire him and they’re conventional- they want to admire their President. Bush was A Good Man and that was hugely important to them. I know the kind of belligerent voter Trump appeals to and these aren’t them.
debbie
@Kay:
“Save us from ourselves!”
Here, a judge (O’Neil, pushing 70 y.o.) has announced he intends to run for governor (Democrat). So much for same old, same old.
Elizabelle
@BillinGlendaleCA: Psych unit. Would not be a surprise. Haven’t a lot of us wondered if Kanye was right in the head, for a long time now?
And being married to a Kardashian does not appear to be a smart mental health move.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Raven: MetroLink would be pretty far from Sherman Oaks, the Orange line(a busway) would be close. I took the Orange Line to The Japanese Garden.
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: Lol! Ted is probably going to perform at Trump’s inauguration. Should be fun when he grabs his crotch in from of all those Evangelicals. Classy dude.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: That wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Alesis
The scariest thing in the world right now is that for many Americans and even a few liberals racism is a “complication.” A wrinkle that needs to be smoothed out at some point but not an indicator of a dangerous belief system.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Elizabelle: He had a meltdown at a concert the other day, I think it was SacTown, and cancelled Sunday’s concert at the Forum. They showed video of him at his last concert, it was weird.
Elizabelle
@Patricia Kayden: I have been wondering about various White House performances for 2017 and forward. They are not going to be getting the hugest stars, most talented people.
If I were a well known entertainer or artist, I would skip the White House until under new management. I hope they turn Trump down, again and again and again. That would speak loudly.
May Hamilton be just a taste of what this deplorable set of jerks has in store.
debbie
@Botsplainer:
How rich that the gerrymandering didn’t work out for them. Not that the GOP will learn anything from this loss.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Patricia Kayden: Probably when he does “Cat Scratch Fever”.
Classy bunch those Republicans.
Raven
@BillinGlendaleCA: I dunno, he goes to Burbank I think.
Kay
@debbie:
The Ohio Supreme Court O’Neil? I love him. I campaigned for him. I went to parades and handed people his home-made flyers and they have no idea about judges so they’d think I was the judge. I let them think that, too. “Pleased to meet you, judge” I’d just smile and nod.
debbie
@WereBear:
Cheating, or really, really exploiting resentments?
Baud
@Elizabelle: Me too. Let the shunning begin.
debbie
@Elizabelle:
Maybe he’ll move the Miss USA contest to the White House.
debbie
@Kay:
Well, your Honor, we still need new blood. He’s not new blood.
JPL
Trump canceled his meeting with the NYTimes because they changed the terms of the meeting. In other words, the NYTimes refused to meet off the record. Good!
Baud
@JPL: I hope they are feeling the heat. They still have a long way to go.
WereBear
@Kay: I likewise have picked up some shock and regret among people who have always styled themselves “Old School Republicans.” They decided they were the grown ups instead of the childish hippie Democrat types, and then stopped thinking.
You know, the ones who dream of retiring to a place with no state income tax, and no services?
Trump, unlike Romney or McCain, has shaken them out of that complacency. Hope they enjoy their tax cut.
Quinerly
Great Barney Frank interview on NPR’s “Morning Edition.” Love that man! The show also teased an upcoming segment about Farage, the windmills in Scotland, and Trump’s business partner in the Philippines being named that country’s trade envoy to the US.
Aimai
@WereBear: yeah. Kays republicans are not like the republicans anywhere else. And their fantasy gentlity will never defeat–ir even oppose–trumpism.
Gindy51
@Mustang Bobby: Do remember it, was home from kindergarten, age 5, watching Bozo on TV in La Grange, Ill. I ran into the kitchen to tell my mom the president had been shot. It was my first ‘real” death (watched cowboy movies so saw lots of fake death).
It is one of my most searing memories.
Botsplainer
@Patricia Kayden:
Tear shit up and inspire fear, I suspect. Clearly, peaceful engagement doesn’t cut it. “Civil Libertarians” like Griftwald’s (which he isn’t) would have people march and talk ineffectively as all their rights are getting stripped away.
What works is top down imposition and hanging like what happened with the initial round of justice after WWII, and what should have occurred at the end of the War of the Rebellion. It sure as shit worked for Vietnam and, I would argue, China.
WereBear
@Patricia Kayden: I will probably have to do a media blackout that day.
I can’t even bear seeing President Obama dealing with this. It’s like some of the population slapped his face, replacing him with someone so utterly loathsome.
Trump and evangelicals are a very odd combination, but they do love sinners, they say.
JPL
@Baud: They found out from Trump’s tweet
That’s pretty funny, but still not normal. The NYTimes said they did not change the terms. Part of the meeting was off the record, and part of it on record. It probably has more to do with the article today, about Trump’s trying to stop a wind farm near his Scotish golf course.
rikyrah
@Kay:
President Obama and the First Lady must have driven them crazy with their no scandal selves. And obvious family values.
Raven
@Gindy51: I’m from Villa Park. My folks gave my sis the middle name Ellyn .
Botsplainer
@Patricia Kayden:
“Wang Dang Sweet Poontang” – for all that Nashville pu55y (owners of Double Live Gonzo who played it loud so their moms could shout at them when we were 13 know the song I’m referencing).
Botsplainer
@WereBear:
Netflix and iTunes will be awesome for media blackout days.
JPL
@JPL: New tweet from the Don
WereBear
@debbie: They do it all.
debbie
@JPL:
And bad photos!
JPL
@rikyrah: True. What we have now is a president-elect, who celebrates Festivus daily.
Quinerly
@Kay:
Same guy has been cutting my hair for 33 years, like clockwork every 5 weeks. He and his partner of 37 years are terrified about the election. He has always worked in high end salons. Said just a couple days before the election, the ladies coming in were all rather gun ho about Trump but kept saying he didn’t have a chance in winning against corrupt Hillary. Since the election, the ladies are very quiet, not looking many of the hairdressers and Black shampoo ladies in the face. Many of these women are older and go to the salon twice a week. Apparently there’s not a lot of chit chat in the beauty parlor. What would Cokie say?
Elizabelle
@JPL: Somewhere, Hillary is laughing, mirthlessly.
Emails! Clinton Foundation. EMAILS! Goddamn New York Times.
Has anyone seen any reporting on whether their subscriber numbers are down? And also cable viewing?
Because people I don’t even think of as “political” are telling me they’re on a news blackout.
Quinerly
@JPL:
But what about the rest of us?
Elizabelle
@Quinerly: I would tell those ladies to take their business elsewhere.
Or I would dye their little heads blue. They can’t look at the staff for shame. They know it.
JPL
@Quinerly: That part concerns me.
Betty Cracker
@geg6: My sister has been listening to “American Idiot” on continuous loop ever since the election.
Botsplainer
@JPL:
Cover him and the rest of The Aristocrats accurately. Their frauds, their grifts.
Quinerly
@Elizabelle:
He really can’t do that. This has been his life for all these years. Very high end in the Ladue suburb of St. Louis. Rich, rich, rich area. I don’t fit in b/c I drive from the city to see him. Basically, “I knew him when” kinda stuff. He doesn’t charge me the full price and I breeze in looking like an middle aged hippie with a braided rat tail down my back and undyed black and white hair.? Personally, I think it will be interesting to get a gage on this every 5 weeks. Eventually these women will start talking…there are 12 hairdressers there, plus nails, massage.
Betty Cracker
@debbie: Imma steal that for Twitter! Ha!
debbie
@Betty Cracker:
You know, I can’t hear about anything Trump says without picturing Alec Baldwin doing it better. I hope Baldwin sticks around for a while, poking at him with a pointy stick.
Betty Cracker
So, did y’all know before the election that there aren’t any serious conflict of interest laws that apply to the president? Seems like a significant lack of oversight! If I’m understanding the coverage correctly, there’s the emolument clause, and that’s pretty much it. I’m guessing Trump’s lawyers were aware of this gaping loophole. What an epic theft it will be.
Baud
@debbie: Baldwin could become a national hero. Trump needs to become a laughingstock.
Iowa Old Lady
@Betty Cracker: Are you into twitter, Betty? I have an account and occasionally I try to use it, but my feed is just flooded and I can’t seem to find what feels like a conversation. I am old.
Speaking of which, I lay awake last night and realized I am, at the moment, quite fearful. It’s partly that I’m aging and I fear the deterioration of my mind and body, but it’s partly Trump. I feel like everything I thought I knew about my world is now up for grabs. The news above about North Carolina deciding to ignore voters feels like what can happen anywhere, anytime now.
Quinerly
@Betty Cracker:
I’m just amazed about no conflict of interest laws. Been a political junkie my entire life, Political Science major, and an atty for 31 years. Conway was saying it doesn’t matter, that the country voted for him knowing all of his businesses conflicts. Think Trump even tweeted about that last night. Josh at TPM has a great post up on how we really shouldn’t be calling them conflict of interest. David Frum is a bit shrill?….he’s saying “follow the money” and quit talking about Bannon and Nazis.
Patricia Kayden
@Elizabelle:
A huuuge amen to that. Anyone cosying up to Trump/Pence should be boycotted since it is clear that that administration is out to hurt various minorities and the less fortunate among us. And who wants to support a President who is beloved of neo Nazis and other undesirables?
debbie
@Baud:
Exactly! Like Chevy Chase and Gerald Ford, but with malice.
MomSense
There are some persistent issues with vote counts. In Wisconsin there are precincts with more votes cast for president than total ballots.
Please call Justice Dept and ask for an investigstion of the vote. 202-514-2000 ext.4
MomSense
@Betty Cracker:
The Emoluments Clause covers it fine. Don’t know why this no conflict of interest law is getting thrown around.
Patricia Kayden
@Botsplainer: Are you saying that protesters should riot? How do you think the police would react to that? Look at what is happening to peaceful protesters in North Dakota and how they are being physically assaulted by the local police force. Can you imagine what would happen to them if they fought back?
There must be a way forward through peaceful protests and grass roots political organizing. It worked in the 60s and can work now.
Betty Cracker
@Iowa Old Lady: I’m on Twitter (@bettycrackerfl), but am not all that prolific. Well, not usually. The Trumpocalypse has inspired me to be on it more. I prefer longer form but find Twitter useful for trending news and for finding links to content that would have otherwise gone by unnoticed. Since I’ve given up TV news altogether, I find it useful for keeping up.
I hear ya about the fear and disorientation. Two weeks ago, I thought I knew this country, where I’ve lived all of my life and where my family has lived for generations. Turns out it’s a much meaner, stupider place than I knew, and I thought I was cynical. Not enough.
Patricia Kayden
@WereBear:
No, they only love sinners on their side. They haven’t forgiven Mrs. Clinton for keeping her maiden name after she married Governor Bill Clinton and they haven’t forgiven President Bill Clinton for his various affairs. But they’ve completely embraced the philandering, foul-mouthed pussy grabber because Jesus.
Patricia Kayden
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Betty Cracker
@MomSense: Does it? I’m not a lawyer, but some of the coverage I’ve read by lawyers suggests that it’s insufficient to stop Trump from wholesale looting. Do you happen to know of a link that provides a factual summary?
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Let him loot. Then put up billboards in every Trump district telling his voters to “Work Harder for Trump.”
Patricia Kayden
@Botsplainer: Classy to the max. Evangelicals can get down to that!
@Betty Cracker: Twitter has finally started cracking down on White Supremacists and Neo Nazis although I see that Chuck Johnson is still around using the moniker “We searchr” or somehting like that. I guess they have to clean things up before they sell it.
Elizabelle
You guys: what’s the issue with North Carolina governor’s race? I’m not aware that anything is going on other than losing candidate Pat McCrory pursuing as many challenges as he can, many of them repelled by Republicans in charge of local election boards, because the challenges are so bogus.
Of course McCrory is trying to make it look like Cooper’s majority is the result of fraud. Democrat wins. Illegitimate.
Is there anything I’m missing here? Real news? (I have been on the semi-news blackout.)
Kay
@debbie:
If it’s Bill O’Niell he really is new blood. He’s a very unusual guy. Registered nurse, labor organizer and Vietnam vet. Single parent – his wife died young. Loathes establishment Dems and fights them at every turn.
He was sanctioned by the Ohio Supreme Court for “ethics” because he was saying our judges are bought and paid for. The state supreme court said that was an ethical violation for lawyers. O’Neill sued in federal court on 1st Amendment grounds and won. It’s political speech protected by the First Amendment.
O’Neill is the “no money from nobody” candidate. He was on that well before anyone else- years ahead.
MomSense
@Betty Cracker:
Here’s one.
Emoluments
Elizabelle
@Betty Cracker: The fake news problem is real.
Fucking NY Times was pointing the finger at some “fake news” purveyor yesterday. Irony being dead over there.
But this is the result of Fox News/Rush Limbaugh Nation. You literally cannot have a discussion about politics, because there are. No. Facts.
I don’t see how we have a functioning democracy and grown up discussion when there is so much purposeful disinformation out there. And — BINGO — we see the endgame of the years and years of rightwing funding of “alternatives” to the “liberal” (actually, primarily cowardly) media.
laura
@BillinGlendaleCA: I was a kindergardener. I recall that my parents were distraught and it was scary to see them – and most every adult crying and upset with uncertainty.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Patricia Kayden:
FYWP does not like the word pussy. Either misspell it or don’t use it. Or feel free to continue cursing the darkness of moderation.
Kay
They are such assholes for presenting this as generous. Hey. Joe and Mika- you got paid for flogging the stupid email story. It worked. Now it’s time to drop the facade that it was a big deal.
They’re planning on continuing to smear her for the next decade, just to cover their own asses and NOT admit they pushed a story that was mostly bullshit.
It’s not bad enough we have Crooked Comey running the FBI. Cable news intends to continue to pretend that Clinton got off easy on something. NOT TRUE.
Kathleen
@Mustang Bobby: It also changed the course of the country. I think JFK is underrated today. His intellect and curiosity remind me of Obama.
SenyorDave
The greatest Yelp review ever (for maggiano’s in Bethesda, which hosted the alt-white party):
Nothing says Italian like hosting white supremacist KKK Nazis. I’ll recommend the Mussolini linguine with extra red sauce The gas chamber bread & and the Hitler pizza with extra extra third Reich cheese. Only but the best to make America great again right????
Frank from Scottsdale nailed it!
PIGL
@Botsplainer: we have a winner.
Patricia Kayden
@Elizabelle: NYT subscriptions are up since the election.
SenyorDave
@laura: I was in kindergarten and when I got home my mother was crying. Not a little tears, actually sobbing. Probably my oldest coherent memory.
Patricia Kayden
@SenyorDave: To be fair, Maggiono’s apologized for “inadvertently” booking NPI. Seems sincere, I guess.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: Well, crap.
BBA
@Botsplainer: so what then? Second Amendment solutions? I shudder at this, not because I think it’s wrong, but because I think it’s right. And it’s wrong that it’s right.
Patricia Kayden
@Steeplejack (phone): Sorry. Didn’t know that. I guess I need to not use the President-Elect’s own language in my comments.
Kay
It’s amusing, too, how Wikileaks has gone silent on Trump now that their boy is headed to the White House.
I guess transparency only applies to the Democrats. Information wants to be free! Maybe they could free some the game show host.
Betty Cracker
@MomSense: Thanks! From what I’ve read at WaPo and other outlets, the EC can serve as a check on Trump profiting from foreign dealings, but it’s totally legal for him to keep running his company from the Oval Office, and there are no conflict of interest laws that apply to domestic business dealings, only the prospect of public blow-back. If that’s true, it seems like a serious lack of oversight to me. But, as I said, I am not a lawyer.
Patricia Kayden
@Elizabelle: Cooper is up by 6500 votes but McCrory won’t concede. Typical Rightwinger behavior.
PaulWartenberg2016
This is a nation that spent a billion dollars cheering on Captain America in the movie theaters and then turned around and voted the GODDAMN RED SKULL INTO THE WHITE HOUSE.
And the media is distracting itself with “both sides do it” or “we should discuss the controversy” while they let this shit fester in the open.
Kay
@debbie:
It is him :)
You will actually love him, Debbie. He has a lot of enemies though. I like that in a person but it may make it difficult for him to get elected since he’s pissed off like 500 powerful people :)
Also! He refuses to raise money. No Money From Nobody. You have to go to his garage and help him print fliers on a crank press, so start lifting weights !
Patricia Kayden
@Kay: Assange was openly hostile towards Secretary Clinton when he was on Bill Maher’s show. Not sure what that is about. Good that he has exposed himself as a hack instead of a lefty hero (never liked him from the get go).
Betty Cracker
@Kay: That vile worm Assange still gloats about Clinton’s loss occasionally on Twitter and begs for money. Whenever I see the latter, I reply that I’m saving my donations for organizations like the SPLC, which will oppose the authoritarian Assange helped Putin install in the Oval Office.
MomSense
@Betty Cracker:
I think Painter, and Tribe who weighed in as well, are saying that the only way to avoid violating the Emoluments Clause is to selll the properties or give them to family and pay the gift taxes before January 20th. There is no plausible way to keep them and not violate our constitution.
Now enforcement is another matter. That is often the real test of a law.
Elizabelle
@Patricia Kayden:
Hmmm. That WaPost story re NYT subs being up has one reader comment, and I like this guy’s style. Might be onto something:
Kay
@Patricia Kayden:
What happened with Wikileaks and Assange was Josh Marshall’s argument for why it was dangerous- no one has any control over how they use the information they steal and they themselves are not transparent or accountable.
That came true fast. So much for the principled watchdogs of the powerful, huh?
MomSense
@Kay:
I never thought they were principled watchdogs. The heavily edited Iraq video should have been a clue.
Rick Taylor
The Onion had a similar take regarding Priebus.
Kathleen
@debbie: Did you get yoursurvey from Ohio Dems and invite to Sherrod Brown call today? I’m looking forward to hearing what he has to say today.
Kathleen
@WereBear: I suspect the fundie love for Trump has to do with Pence on the ticket.
SiubhanDuinne
@Kay:
I suspect the news will piss off a whole bunch of people whose primary reason for voting for Trump in the first place was the prospect of “locking her up.”
Oh, and if there was ever any doubt, Kellyanne Conway is a smarmy, patronizing, pompous bitch:
rikyrah
@Kay:
Tell that truth, Kay.
bemused
@Kay:
It’s almost as if the secret non-Trump voters were counting on Dem voters to save them from the Donald : /
I would have been tempted to say, “back atcha”.
Bobby Thomson
See, Dean is a politician and tones it down.
Trump is a Nazi.
bemused
@Betty Cracker:
From comments here about Republicans, esp Republican women who are subdued and can’t look liberals or each other in the eye, I’d say they must have also thought they knew their tribe or perhaps didn’t realize how many Republicans would vote for sleazy Trump.
Quinerly
@bemused:
I actually think it’s the latter. I don’t think a lot of these Repugs thought he would win.
bemused
@Quinerly:
Nope, probably not. They were counting on Trump losing. Hmmm. It seems that they need Dems after all. Can’t count on their party nor other Republican voters to reject the obvious lunatics anymore.
artem1s
@Patricia Kayden:
they may be horrified. But they shouldn’t be let off the hook. Their party, the people they identify with, put that man in office. If they didn’t threaten to pull their business, cut off support, disown, ridicule everyone within their reach who aided and abetted this slaughter of democracy, they should be forced to own it for as long as this shit show is in the White House. They should feel bad. The should feel bad. Every waking moment it should hurt for them to draw breath. They should wake up in terror in the middle of the night with horror at what their families and children are going to have to face. It’s only right they should suffer mentally at least as much as the people who are going to have their lives ripped apart.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Elizabelle:
I’ve been on a news blackout since the election. It’s been wonderful.
Miss Bianca
@Baud: *I* respect EF Goldman, but I’m hardly respectable myself.
chopper
@geg6:
american idiot was a really good record. no matter what your feelings are on Green Day selling out.
Shalimar
@Quinerly: I’m a lot more worried about Bannon and Nazis than the money that Trump is going to steal. Even $100 billion per year would only be about 1.25% of the federal budget. The racists are going to make life miserable for tens of millions of people.
The Moar You Know
@Patricia Kayden: You can’t be serious. That was over fifty years ago. Nothing that worked in the 1960s is going to work now, the world and the people in it are completely different.
debbie
@Kay:
I know you’re long gone, but I Googled to see if we’re talking about the same person and we are. This bit has changed my mind entirely:
He’s got my vote!
stinger
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